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UFO Round Table - September - Congress Senate UAP Hearings, David Grusch, Government conspiracy coverup, wolflands paul sinclair, peru alien invasion, and more!
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We are joined by Davey Johnson and UAP Ash from The Mechanism Podcast, along with the legendary Dave Smethurst.
We discuss the fight back of the senate against the UAP congressional Hearing evidence and also discuss who stands to gain from halting the progress.
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Transcript
Introduction and Host's Remarks
00:00:23
Speaker
Welcome to this UAP roundtable. We are actually a little bit late, at least in this one due to
00:00:32
Speaker
reasons beyond our control. However, we are here now. And since the last roundtable, which was devoted pretty much exclusively to David Gush's testimony to Congress, it's been a bit of a drop off. It has got a bit quiet the past month or so, but we have got a few things to talk about.
Meet the Guests
00:00:51
Speaker
It would have been hard to follow last month anyway, but we are joined as normal by my podcast co-host, Greg. How are you doing? Good, thanks. How are you?
00:01:02
Speaker
Very well. As always, Infallible, Dave Smivers, is with us too. I like the Infallible bit. I don't think it's true, but I'll go with that. Yeah. Hello. Good to go. Glad to be here. And I think we're a bit late, but we might see there's a bit more news happened. So that was quite good. For sure. And to help us understand this murky state of affairs, you've also recruited one half of the Mechanism podcast, joining us for the first time in the round table, I believe.
00:01:31
Speaker
is David Johnston. Thanks, Dave. How are you doing? I'm very well indeed. Thanks. And thank you very much for inviting me on this. Unfortunately, my partner in crime or my crime fighting partner, whichever way around it is, is unable to join us, although he might, if we're really lucky, pop in later. So fingers crossed. Yeah, I'm sure he may hear his voice pop up later on. He's got some child wrangling duties to go to, haven't he? Yeah, I feel that pain.
David Gush's Testimony Fallout
00:02:01
Speaker
So like I said, not going to be as exciting as last month, but there is some interesting things emerging. Well, we've got you with us so we can't really expose that. Greg last month. I'll pretend I didn't hear that. So some things have emerged last couple of weeks in terms of possible fight back from the forces in the US who do not want to see disclosure.
00:02:26
Speaker
on more transparency or political maneuvers linked to this. So we mentioned Dave Gush and obviously last month, like I say, we had a big episode about the hearings and everything that he was saying coming forward with. And there has been backlash in August, which was basically born from an article from the Internet magazine from the ironically named Ken Kippenstein.
00:02:53
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who had led Scrush and had drinking issues, had suicidal ideation, and was an institutional item, probably. Scrush himself admitted this and said it was combat PTSD related, and he was happy to talk about it. UFO Twitter, UFOX, and others were rightly outraged at what was thought to be deliberate attempts to smear David Scrush, who is, obviously, as we know, a veteran. And Klippenstein said that he got the information from
00:03:23
Speaker
a Freedom of Information request, but that intelligent community embers had told him where to look. So, obviously there's a big outro afterwards, after all this happened. So what do you make of this and has this damage gushes reputation in your eyes? Dave, do you want to kick us off? Yeah, sure, yes, very good. I mean, I think
00:03:47
Speaker
Yeah, there was lots of outrage on this. I mean, it was pretty obvious what was going on. There was lots of outrage from Ross, from Jeremy Kerber, Carl Bell. I thought Carl Bell was a bit over the top.
00:03:57
Speaker
He seems to have been a bit over the top since his hearings appeared, to be honest with you, so I think he could just dial it down a notch, because I, unlike maybe some of us, quite a lot of time for Jeremy Carbell, but I think he's a little bit up top. Anyway, I'm getting sidetracked. I think it was sort of seen as a more, so a lot of the mainstream politicians were as well pretty outraged because of this big, rightly in America, this combat thing, you know, attacking a veteran, PTSD,
00:04:24
Speaker
all the rest of it. So it's seen as a real obvious smear on a veteran, you know. Now I thought Grush handled it really well. He was open. He told everybody about it. He told people about it beforehand. And he said he wanted to discuss it to all other people, you know, model. So our response.
00:04:41
Speaker
Then a few people said it was a direct IC leak. Now, Klippenstein came up. What a name, nice. Klippenstein just thinks it's like a joke name, you know, clipping things up and, you know, and he's a monster, you know. But anyway, he tried to say at first he found it under freedom of information, but this sort of collapsed because then he went on this Twitter space, if you remember, with Greenwald, who was going to hold it up as some great attack against Gruff.
00:05:06
Speaker
he said oh yeah well the intelligence community actually told me where to look and all the rest of it so he was just clearly a stitch up you know so they tipped him off so there's clear evidence of dirty tricks no action taken as usual clipping Stein was just a buffoon really he's a gutter journalist and
00:05:25
Speaker
Also, the Intercept, he said his motivations because he disbelieved in the UAP story as well. I mean, what's that all about? Is he a journalist? What is he or a comedian? He sort of, he said he liked to troll people. He then made up, he'd been sacked and then laughed at everybody because he fell for his thing. Because he's a journalist, you would try and believe him, wouldn't you? So anyway, I think having him, and he was really humiliated if you watch the Under Breaking Points podcast for a proper political interview, just come away looking
00:05:55
Speaker
like the silly little child he is really so I mean I think it shows a desperation and non-disclosure forces because they're finding it hard to discredit Grush and I think using somebody like him because he's so verified by the ICIG stuff and all the rest of it they can't really lay a glove on him so he's taking this scatter gun approach and seeing what fits
00:06:19
Speaker
And I think it's a clear reaction to the areas. They definitely kind of derail the sort of disclosure train. There's a few other articles come out on peripheral things. They didn't stick either. It's weak pieces in the Washington Post and they're saying where's the evidence when there is clearly the importance of luck. So I think it's sort of backfired in the end.
00:06:40
Speaker
with key opinion form as I've sort of said, well, we don't believe this and they've sort of got behind. So I think it's massively
Mental Health Stigmatization and UAP
00:06:47
Speaker
backfired. But what I would say is it has got the message out in some people's eyes, but he's a drunk, he's got mental health issues. And, you know, he's gullible, disgracefully sick as he's autism. You know, he has got that message out on some level, but I don't think the people who it matters, it's really gone. So that's,
00:07:06
Speaker
my view, I think it was the weaker aspect of the fight back, the Grushko, and it was a pretty low blow.
00:07:15
Speaker
Yeah, for sure. Like I say, when they say I tried to claim it was late, but then Clefenstein said that basically someone had told him that like the dates and the sort of the area he had to put these requests into to get this information are very understand, underhand, definitely for sure. Davey, let's come over to you.
00:07:40
Speaker
Yeah, I think there was a little bit of overreaction from what I would call the UAP supporting side of this. So Ross Coulter was very quick to say that this was a deliberate attempt to leak his medical records, which due to HIPAA regulations in the US have to be kept confidential. Turned out that wasn't the case and that this had come through a Freedom of Information Act from the local sheriff.
00:08:07
Speaker
Colt Hart then tried to walk that back a bit and say, oh, well, we spoke to the sheriff. The sheriff said there'd been no Freedom of Information Act request when in fact they had. And it just made me think very much of one of the things that Ross Colt Hart is big on saying is assume a cock up before a conspiracy. And he failed to listen to his own words in that instance, because there are certainly, as Dave has said there, there is intelligence community
00:08:37
Speaker
at play and at work here in terms of directing Klippenstein to where to get that information. I also think that this is undoubtedly a smear by the IC, the intelligence community, but I think it's probably going to backfire. I think that what they have miscalculated is the world that we currently live in, where mental health and mental health illnesses and challenges are the norm. They are
00:09:05
Speaker
open, people are able to talk about them. I live with depression and anxiety. I am probably too frank and open about that, but I will talk to anybody about it. Because for me, it's about breaking down the stigma of mental health. And I see a parallel there between the UAP topic as well, that people are trying to stigmatize. And it's easier if we talk about it, we shine the light on it, we bring it out into the open. One of the other areas that I'm involved in in this topic is I'm a member of the UAP Medical Coalition.
00:09:35
Speaker
where we seek to provide support to medical professionals so that they can help people understand.
00:09:42
Speaker
the UAP issues and not just the UAP, but other things around it as well. So yeah, I think that this smells of people of a certain generation, let's say, who think that a really easy way to discredit somebody is to say they're a bit loopy. When in fact, 7% of US vets suffer from PTSD. So it's incredibly common, perfectly normal. My view on this was they'll probably say next, he once smoked some weed and he inhaled.
00:10:13
Speaker
They've totally misread the temperature or they're playing to a different audience.
00:10:18
Speaker
And as Dave said, I think that it is an attempt to derail this. It's an attempt to scare off other whistleblowers. But we've heard rumors in the last week or so that there have been people who have bypassed R.O. and Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick and have failed what they call a PPD-19, which is a whistleblower act similar to Grush. So I think it's probably
00:10:43
Speaker
has unnerved some people but there's still people who are going forward with this and bringing forth trying to again shine the light on this as well.
Impact of Congressional Hearings
00:10:50
Speaker
I also had the good fortune the other week of meeting along with Ash at the awakening festival event in Manchester. I also had the good fortune of chatting with James Fox
00:11:01
Speaker
a film producer who was incredibly excited to leave Manchester and get back to the US, not just because of the torrential downpour and the rain that we had, but because he's got two or three whistleblowers lined up waiting to talk to him when he gets back to the US. So yeah, definite attempt to derail it. I don't think it's enough.
00:11:22
Speaker
Well, yeah, nice to meet you. Well, see you again, because we have previously. Yeah, good stuff, Greg. So, yeah, like has just been said, I think going for someone's mental health, based on the fact that he's a veteran and has been in a war theatre, I think is an easy shot.
00:11:50
Speaker
But like you've just said, David, I think they've massively miscalculated that. I think coming up to the congressional hearings, and then we heard it was going to be Dave Grush, Dave Fraver, and Ron Graves. Everybody was a bit like, oh, I don't know. It's not really. Anybody knew. We've heard it all before. Then those three step up and do the business, essentially. And Dave Grush comes out like a bit of a hero.
00:12:18
Speaker
Certainly to like the UAP community. So I think anybody who's going to go after him is going to struggle. And if the worst thing they can do is say, oh, he's got PTSD.
00:12:30
Speaker
which like you mentioned, 7% of vets have got it or suffered from it. It's not unusual to hear a veteran with PTSD. You hear about it a lot in the news. So again, like you mentioned, it's kind of the norm mental health issues now and people suffering. It's not a fringe thing. It's not something that people necessarily hide away. And I think Ashley probably helped Dave Grush even more.
00:12:59
Speaker
because people can like they're they're almost got his back on on the back of that say well you're a vet you've obviously sent some horrible shit if you've got PTSD and all this kind of stuff
00:13:13
Speaker
No wonder you're drinking. No wonder you're probably suicidal at one point. I can only imagine the horrific stuff that these people see. So it is a low blow and I think it was a cheap attempt that probably has backfired. Turns out that Klippenstein
00:13:31
Speaker
is the son of Stephen Klippenstein, who works for the Department of Energy's Argonne National Laboratory, who is one of the organisations that potentially would be compromised if the existence of alien life was confirmed by the Senate. Therefore,
00:13:49
Speaker
sounds a bit dodgy to me. So when you start seeing the motivations for people's reasons for attacking what appears to be a genuine guy, Dave Grish appears to be a genuine guy, obviously I don't know him, but all the reports suggest that he's a nice guy, he's a family guy, even said he's had some horrible stuff like threatened essentially by to his wife and himself.
00:14:18
Speaker
you have to wonder why these people are concerned with his mental health. What's that really got to do with it? And when you start looking as to who these people are and their backgrounds, it becomes very murky. And I think when it becomes murky, you have to question all motivations to attack Dave Gersh. And I don't think anybody
00:14:41
Speaker
Anybody can really, I think the UFO and UAP community are fully aware of his credentials and the fact that he seems like a sound guy. And I don't know, it's low blows, it's cheap. And I personally think he will come out of this stronger than he went in. He seems to have done, from these congressional hearings, he went in as, like I said,
00:15:09
Speaker
It's kind of, it's Dave Grish, we've seen this big interview. What can he possibly say now? What can Dave Fraser say now? What can Ryan Graves say now? And then they sit there and everybody's like, holy shit, Ash is messaging me again. It's insane, I'm watching it, I'm watching it, it's insane. And you just think, it's just a weak attempt. And if that's the worst they can throw at him,
00:15:34
Speaker
that he's got a PTSD and he's a warfare, I think he's onto a winner. If that's, if that's the thing really good. That's interesting. Cause I didn't know the stuff about his dad's and I was going to mention Clippenstein and kind of like, like his motives, like why? So obviously I think most has never heard of him before. He's not really like a UFO like report or anything like that.
00:15:55
Speaker
You've got to think, why would he do this? Why would he drag someone through the mud? What was his aims? Follow the money. Always follow the money. That can answer that question if his dad is possibly somehow involved. All this stuff really just sounds like a bit of a comedy though, isn't it? Because I think the D-O-D really rattled.
00:16:16
Speaker
And I think Rush's testimony did really rattle on it and they just cast him around to see how they can get him in. I wonder if that Klippenstein link, one of them said, oh yeah, my son works in his journalist. He's just a man for this. And that's maybe why he did it. He could be as crap as that. But I think really, they obviously rattle, as I say, Rush's evidence is really solid and it's not been effective.
00:16:40
Speaker
in the 70s it might have been but that's a really good point Greg and David both made about the fact that things have moved on now and it says more about these people and what essentially they're living in but they think they're smears and about you know grow anything more about growth and it just shows a disgraceful sort of gutter that the inhabit really don't isn't it you're so and we haven't probably got time for it nowadays but that stuff with the mental health stuff particularly around people you know it's such good work to do
00:17:10
Speaker
particularly people with experiences and other people who, you know, can't really tell the story. I mean, that's fantastic work as well. But essentially, mental health issues, as you say, are becoming people. We'll talk about issues, I haven't if I need to, because the more you talk about it, the more people feel they can. But anyway, I think the point is, it backfired because things have changed as well. So that's a really strong point.
Political and Commercial Challenges in UAP Disclosure
00:17:38
Speaker
Bill, got anybody, anything else to add before we move on to our next topic? Nope. Cool. Well, we have a surprise guest. Not quite a surprise, but we do have UK UAP Ash is in the house. How are you doing, Ash? Yeah. Good evening, guys. Yeah. All good. Thank you. Finally here. Got my baby monitor next to me, so I can rush off again. That's why. But no, thanks for having me. Looking forward to speaking with you guys.
00:18:05
Speaker
I just want to kill. So the next topic we're going to talk about is kind of on the same theme, is the hearings. And it's emergency month, well, last month, that the influential Mike Turner, chair of the House Intelligence Committee, has been trying to block any further public oversight committee hearings on UAP in Congress. Turner doing this makes it harder for those Congress people to follow up on a testimony.
00:18:31
Speaker
So it's kind of like a bit of a roadblock hitting kind of impasse at the minute. So the Tim Burchat leaked this much to turn his annoyance.
00:18:41
Speaker
what Turner had been doing around saying he did not bleed grush, that there's no evidence, and it on its own infuriated UAP activists, given how clear the evidence was, and Turner seen that through Reddit. This was added to when it emerged that he received massive funding from Lockheed and other reference contractors and Wright-Patterson Air Base, home of some of the alleged crash approvals.
00:19:04
Speaker
and is in his district. People began to see a big Department of Defence anti-disclosure rat at play. This mood was not improved whilst touring her constituency, turning to Gillibrand, who's kind of been a bit of a spokeswoman leader in this whole thing, appeared to laugh at what UAPs could be and say that they could have been drones and that Arrow was looking into it.
00:19:28
Speaker
All of this went down badly with the UAP community again, and prompted fears that future hearings may be off in the Senate, and that Gillibrand was maybe distancing herself from the issue, kind of the opposite to how she's been for the past 12 months. So, has the fight back begun? And is this going to be something that will succeed, Davey? What's your thoughts on this? So, Mike Turner,
00:19:58
Speaker
is based in the same area that has Wright-Patterson Air Force Base and receives money from Lockheed. I think you would probably be hard pushed to find a region of the US that doesn't have some type of military industrial facility.
00:20:16
Speaker
they are so widespread across the US. And some people would tell you that the reason for that is so that these companies have a means of exerting political sway over every region. If you have a facility in each state, you could exert a degree of power over the senators of those states.
00:20:39
Speaker
you can realize that most of these military companies, the likes of Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Martin, have been made up of, in some cases, 100 years worth of mergers and acquisitions. So the very nature of global business means that lots of small companies are subsumed, are grown out, are bought out by larger companies. They close down the facilities they don't need. They keep the ones running.
00:21:01
Speaker
You look at what's happened with banking in the UK, for example. We now have four or five banks. Same with energy companies. You have four or five energy companies. That is the way of the world. Maybe there is more to it than that. I like a good conspiracy theory, but this isn't what I'm going to buy into. Sorry, I'll be too busy watching the chemtrails. So if we think about this,
00:21:26
Speaker
And this is one of my biggest concerns that I have about this disclosure movement. And I know we have this legislation that even the commercial aspects of it, the businesses have to declare whether they have any exotic or non-Earth origin materials. But it's impossible, in my opinion, to separate the commercial from the political.
00:21:49
Speaker
And I have my good friend, Christian Thompson, AKA UAPDB, UAP Database. He planted this seed in my head because we started talking about the East India Company. And for those of you who don't know about the East India Company, the East India Company was set up from the UK by the UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office as a trade, as an industry.
00:22:14
Speaker
primarily to ship goods between the East Indies, the UK, and further afield, ties right back to slavery, ties right back to empire and commonwealth. So when we think about, okay, the US government's been really smart here, they've stashed this material with Lockheed, with Northrop, with McDonnell Douglas, with SAIC, for example.
00:22:41
Speaker
It's not new. The Brits have been doing that for centuries, tying the commercial and the political together.
00:22:50
Speaker
I'm a bit of a Star Wars nut as well. What's the underlying theme in Star Wars? Trade wars. So I really do think it's going to be impossible to disengage the political from the commercial. And that's where I see this disclosure movement really stalling. And I get that pushback from the likes of Mike Turner and even that chuckling laugh. And I think it was more of a chuckle than a laugh from Senator Gillibrand in that interview where she was interviewed within her own constituency.
00:23:20
Speaker
But yeah, I just, I really am cautious about how you're going to, how anybody ever thinks in terms of disclosure, you can untangle those two elements. Brilliant, brilliant. Some great points, especially that stop out all the trade stuff. I mean, it's money, isn't it? You got to follow, always, always follow the money train for one of the better word. Ash, do you want to bring you in on this point?
00:23:49
Speaker
Yeah, I'm not sure I have too much to add really. I think Davey succinctly summed that up quite nicely. I tend to agree with him on the point around, let's not jump to assumptions. I think you're right. You make a really good point there around the sheer amount of military bases across the whole of the United States and how they're distributed. I think it's all too easy when you're interested in this subject to automatically jump to conclusions and find the conspiratorial link there. I think people do that.
00:24:17
Speaker
because they are very invested in the topic, very interested in the topic. And it's easy to do that. But I think we do need to be cautious of that. But yeah, I think we are starting to see this is part of the pushback that everyone's spoke about. And I think we're starting to see that. And this is one element of that. This isn't really related to this, but I just saw something today around apparently some Roswell footage has been released as well of crash balloons and things like that. Why is that suddenly been released now? There's clearly a reason for that. The timing is just so
00:24:46
Speaker
you know, suspects. And I think that's what we're witnessing here as well. We're just seeing lots more pushback from every angle. Because I think they realize, you know, something feels different this time around what's being released and the witnesses coming forward. So, yeah, I expect to see more of this happening over the coming weeks and months. And yeah, I guess we just have to wait and see what the next skeleton in the closet is. They're going to try and pull out and, you know, try to save everyone with. But yeah,
00:25:14
Speaker
I think that's my takeaway at the moment. Sorry, my mind's still in baby mode. For sure, for sure. Greg, do you think this is the start of, I guess, I'd say the pushback on all of this? Muted. Still muted.
00:25:37
Speaker
Oh, there we go. Sorry. I think the problem is when they, when they first started and the congressional hearings come out, that first one happened where they showed that it was a bit of a weak attempt. They were trying to rewind video on the fly and they're like, go back a bit, go back and we'll see this little ball go past that supersonic speed past this airplane. And they were going, no, you'll, and they just, it was a bit disorganized.
00:26:04
Speaker
Then you've got Arrow coming to the forefront and Sean Kirkpatrick. And then his attempt, I don't know what he was doing in that briefing that time when he was sat in with Gillibrand and everybody, we were all discussing the fact that he just really didn't even want to be there, which put Arrow on a bit of a back foot, I think, at that point anyway.
00:26:32
Speaker
But then these congressional hearings took place recently with Dave Grish at all. And you've got people like, whether you like him or love him, Jeremy Corbell in the background. It was super high profile. You've got AOC doing some of the questioning as well. She was questioning people. So you've got these high profile people
00:26:57
Speaker
around the hearings. Everybody was hyped up in the UAP community globally, I think. Everybody was super excited and I think that was a massive turning point and I think that caught a lot of the previous bunch of senators who probably were happy for this joke thing to go along and we'll do all this. We'll just
00:27:23
Speaker
do this this initial public hearing we'll see what happens and we can sort of not do it again because people will be laughing at it as they assumed people would be but I think this particular hearing I think hammered them and I don't think a lot of the ones that weren't in that room who were probably against it and are taking money from the likes of all the big like military
00:27:53
Speaker
people are not he'd everybody like that who have obviously got their fingers in a lot of pies for swaying black budgets. I think it took a lot of them by surprise and this is now them saying oh shit we're it we've probably let this go a bit too far. There's a bit too much of a instead of a ripple in the community. I think it's been a bit of a wave
00:28:18
Speaker
Um, so again, Dave Grish, they're trying to knock him and then all these other ones going, Oh, we're not, we're going to push back. I think, I think they're too late. Personally. I think there's a bit too much momentum behind it now. Um, and like I say,
00:28:37
Speaker
Corbell, whether you like him or not, when I listen to his podcast now, the Weaponize podcast, since the hearings and before the hearings,
00:28:52
Speaker
I kind of see he seems to have been quite instrumental in some of it. As much as I didn't like to say it, he does appear to have been a bit of a driving force and they could have had Grush years ago, George Knapp could have. So I'm just wondering now if the powers that be and those in the know that don't want us to come out, it is their fight back.
00:29:22
Speaker
But I don't know if they're too late, personally. Dave, what's your thoughts on this whole topic?
Congressional Hurdles in UAP Investigations
00:29:31
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I think while the other one about Grush was a bit ineffective because it was a character attack, they're on a bit much safer ground the forces of non-disclosure because they're used to manipulating congressional mechanisms and all the rest of it. It's their turf, as it were. We've seen them do it before.
00:29:49
Speaker
So I think the first sort of rumblings we saw of that was they started blocking some witnesses for the hearings, if you remember, before they come across. So they knocked off three of them at least. Then they denied the use of the skiff on the day, and they made it awkward for them to set it up. And there's still something going on about removing Grush's security clearance so he can't testify on the skiff. That's still ongoing. It's not entirely clear what they're doing with that.
00:30:15
Speaker
So that was the first indication they had a bit, they were a bit better, but he still didn't stop it. There was also, I think you're right, there was a lot of excitement from all these people on setting up a select committee. And I think that really spooked him. Because that select committee is a bit like that in Godfather 2, where they've got to prosecute a sort of, and they can ask questions in the subpoena, but it's really serious.
00:30:36
Speaker
And so I think they were trying to scupper that. And that's when they rolled out Mike Turner, because he's quite powerful. He's had an intelligence committee. He's got a lot of swaying, stopping things. And he said, oh, it's making the defense look bad. But Burch, it bubbled him, really, and sort of made that public, which he didn't like. And I think a few others have come out as well, who, like you're saying, David, it's all over the place. They take care in the US to spread it out so they've got influence wide. But I think as you were saying, Greg, it's a bit too late, really.
00:31:07
Speaker
And I think there's too many people, and like you say, the level of question, I think there's too many of them who are trumping the fact that they're actually, their role has been subverted, and they've realized that, because you could see with the interest of the questions. So it's almost like, again, too little too late, but just to talk about Gillibrand, I think that's been a bit overdone, because really, she was talking to a lot of normal people in a constituency in August, they all go around.
00:31:37
Speaker
sort of you know fundraising getting support for upcoming so she was talking to a lot of you know inverted commas normal people and nothing about uaps and i thought she was just kind of jolly along as a not because you know it sounds a bit weird talking about it and i think we get a brand you should judge her more on what she's done rather what she says and she's a presidential candidate so i think what i actually think is going on here is senate is closed for april yeah
00:32:03
Speaker
There's a lot of people getting worried, but nothing's happening. So nothing can happen. And in that vacuum, various different people are getting a bit overexcited. The UAP people are worried, but it's something's going to happen. So they're being overly pessimistic. Rocks, culture, there's a great line in that, really. And you've got other people. And I think, as I say, the Pentagon people realize it's a bit too late. And I think they're overreacting to, as I say, what's her name, Senator Gillibrand.
00:32:32
Speaker
There's nothing actually to suggest that the planned senatorial hearings in September have been stopped. People are still doing a lot of preparation for them. There's a lot of people being called. That works ongoing. So we think they're going to happen sometime in late September, those hearings. That's still going ahead. As you said earlier in the last answer, David, there's a lot of people who are still coming forward. There's a lot of, there's about partly over 60 people now already come forward, loads of people. So they've got these little
00:33:02
Speaker
syndicates of different ex-intelligence people who are helping them bypass arrow and taking them directly to the Congress, you know. So that's still ongoing. That does something that stopped it. There's also, if you remember, in Vail Fletch before it happened in 21 and before that from Lou and everybody else saying, and James Fox, as you mentioned, saying essentially, if you don't play ball on this, we're going to release it anyway. And we've got a lot of indication that that sort of gun is being pulled out of the holster, as it were.
00:33:30
Speaker
So I think really, so what we said is it's a bit excitable in August, but I think, as you were saying, it's already gone too far for them to stop it. And I think in that other pod we did, I think what will happen is, because David's right, the sort of military industrial complex is too important for them to compromise. So really, they'll just subsume their intimate and make them part of it.
00:33:55
Speaker
Now, if you read Chris Sharpe's article, apparently Lockheed, what we're into is because they couldn't get enough people to work on the programs because they're too compartmentalized. So what we'll probably see is a readjustment in the relationship between the people working on this stuff and the US government. And that's probably what will come out of this in the end. But they certainly won't. I don't think they'll be pilloried, the industrial things. They'll just become part of the solution rather than part of the problem.
00:34:22
Speaker
So as I say, I think we'll see the proof of the pudding in September and this may just prove to be a rather ineffectual, but more effective element of the fight back.
00:34:34
Speaker
Yeah, I think the important point you mentioned at the start about the skiffs and whether David Gush will have the clearance to actually enter that, because obviously when you go back to the hearing, it was like, yeah, I can give all this information, names, projects, locations, people, dates, everything, but I do it in these skiffs. If they're going to prevent that from happening, it kind of thinks, oh, well, where do we go from here? It keeps at that level of,
00:35:01
Speaker
a hearsay type thing where you're not actually passing information to the people that want to hear it. So it just seems to be a bit of a downward play recently on that side of it. Anyone got any response to Dave on his thoughts? Ash? Yeah, I was just going to say a bit on the skiff. I'm not an expert in kind of US security clearances, but I mean, surely they can do that. That's fine. But
00:35:27
Speaker
And the fact of the matter is he still knows this information. So surely if someone of authority wanting to obtain that information from him, there would be a mechanism that would allow that to take place. I don't see by removing his or revoking his security clearance, it would suddenly mean he can't talk about it. Yes, there might be a specific location he needs to talk about it in a secure so it is secure and it's free from electrical interference and it's all done officially, et cetera.
00:35:51
Speaker
But I don't see how that's going to prevent him from being able to divulge the information to the relevant people. It just seems like a feeble attempt at trying to silence him, in my opinion. But like I said, I don't know the ins and outs, but I do remember hearing on the Weaponize podcast, like you were mentioning, Greg, I'm pretty sure George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell said they'd been in a skiff, and neither one of those are security cleared. So there clearly is a way that people without security clearance can
00:36:17
Speaker
and go into skiffs or provide that information. So I think that might be a little bit of a diversion we're seeing there.
Critique of Arrow's Website
00:36:25
Speaker
Yeah, it seemed pretty unclear. It's all a bit murky, isn't it, what it actually means? Because the implication was he couldn't talk about it to anybody because he's cleansing me. And I agree with it. I thought the same as you. I thought, how does that work? So it's a bit murky. Like you said, he's just clutching at straws really, aren't he, and trying to throw a bit of shade on it. I mean, if anything, it's just going to make his
00:36:45
Speaker
It's going to make it harder for him to obtain work and carry on doing what he's doing, isn't it? It's just to frustrate him and make his life as hard as possible, I think is the real reason behind the revocation of security clearance or the attempt to.
00:36:58
Speaker
I think Ash's point though is they are desperately trying to stop it. He's definitely trying to stop him taking it beyond hearsay because imagine if he would have gone into that skiff that day when he said he said oh I can tell you exactly do you remember he said that in the hearings then he would have reeled off the list god he must have all been really sweating at that point you know the people that
00:37:19
Speaker
people who want to keep it quiet. So I don't know but it's small beer isn't it in the scheme of the things it's only going to stop them temporarily if it's all you know. What I did want to say quickly is you know we've talked about whistleblower protection many roundtables ago and the fact that whilst they can't be seen to be
00:37:43
Speaker
actively having a negative impact on these whistleblowers, this is probably how they will start to do it. That they'll block people, they'll start to bring out dirt on them, trying to discredit them, rather than blocking them from future
00:38:02
Speaker
roles they'll make them unemployable essentially and make them a liability just purely from their background and things that they've been through. So this could be the way that they're going to try and attack whistleblowers without circumventing the whistleblower act.
00:38:22
Speaker
Well, if you remember, we said the profile would be older people who were near retirement or who retired for that basis on that very basis. And that's probably what I would suggest. We see people like Grush who are very rare, who are so committed and brave, you know, to sort of gamble everything. And, you know, for the truth, not many of them to the pound. I think to add, Davey.
00:38:50
Speaker
Not on that one, other than if you go to the DNI website on ICIG whistleblower information, there are some quite interesting timelines around the times in which they have to process an ICIG complaint, similar to that that David Gruss has done.
00:39:07
Speaker
with the first being that they do an internal agency review, which takes 60 days. It then comes out to an external review panel, and there's a further 270 days. So there are some timelines around these actions, and a lot of people are saying, oh, well, what's happened with his ICIG complaint? And I don't think anybody, I don't think I've heard anybody ask Ross Coulthard or Jeremy Corbell or George Knapp.
00:39:32
Speaker
if they know what the timeline is around updates on this whistleblower complaint. And I think that would be a really interesting avenue for further investigation and exploration. Yeah, really good point. Well, anybody else to add before we move on?
00:39:51
Speaker
Also, we scan this thing again into the same news that's come out this week. In fact, it's the launch of a new website for the all-domain anomaly resolution office, Arrow. It's got this brand-snanking posh kind of website. Just a quick look on the front page. It's got a message in there from John Kirkpatrick, who is the author of the motto.
00:40:21
Speaker
I talked about basically it's going to be a website where military personnel can basically submit any sort of UAP report to them through the website, which is coming soon, how long it will be before we see it. I'm not too sure. What I thought was interesting is
00:40:42
Speaker
He mentions on here about civilian pilots as well so that they have their own reporting kind of process through the air traffic control which then gets passed on to them from the Federal Aviation Administration. I'm not sure we've heard too much about that in the past but I will receive reports from
00:41:09
Speaker
I'm not sure that's something I've not personally looked into too much, whatever you guys have there, I'm not sure. So what do you make of your website, Squirt, if you had a look at it? I'm on it now.
00:41:24
Speaker
Interestingly, everything's coming soon and where you try and submit a US government UAP related program stroke activity report, you can't. So at the moment it's essentially not worth the paper it's written on. So I think for all the good it does and highlights it, the fact that it doesn't even work,
00:41:52
Speaker
seems like another blocker that we go look you can report all this stuff we give you mechanisms you can go via vpn so we don't even know who you are to begin with and then you go on there because you're all of a sudden you go right i'm fired up grusch has done his thing fravor's done his thing ryan graves has done his thing let's do this
00:42:16
Speaker
go to press the button and lose your bottle because you can't do anything. And I think that kind of seems to have summed up Arrow from day one. It promised the world
00:42:28
Speaker
and slightly under delivers. It's a lovely little website. It's a lovely website, nice and clear and basic. Unfortunately, it just don't work, really. And I don't know if they list any telephone numbers or an email address you can send something to. I'm just having a look now. No, basically, it doesn't even tell you
00:42:57
Speaker
just going on the FAQs. How can I share information with Arrow? Military personnel should report through their command or service in accordance with joint staff, whatever. Civilian pilots are encouraged to promptly report UAP sightings to air traffic control. I can't see them doing that.
00:43:23
Speaker
and general public will announce when a reporting mechanism is available for use for others. So at the moment, the website is practically useless because it doesn't tell anybody anything different than what they would have to do through their line of command anyway. So it's all noise to me. I'm taking a leaf out of your burke, Ash. I'm not going to be very pessimistic about it all.
00:43:52
Speaker
Who wants to talk about the website, Davey? Yeah, I first of all think it shows the sort of the disdain with which this has been treated shows a terrifying level of, dare I say it, arrogance. I don't know, pardon the pun. The first time I tried to get onto the website, it locked me out and I spent 40 minutes trying to get into it, Ash.
00:44:18
Speaker
I think I've just been locked out, so sorry for that reference. I think it's awful. My 10-year-old daughter could design a better website. It's clearly been pushed along. What I would suggest anybody to do if you're in the website now as you're listening to this, which of course I know everybody will be, go to the search box at the top and type in the word retrieval.
00:44:41
Speaker
So crash retrievals is a big topic. It's what David Grush has been talking about through his whistleblower ICIG complaint. It links to two PDF documents, but you can't access them.
00:44:54
Speaker
they've both pages have been subsequently removed. So they sit there somewhere and there's somebody far better at website penetration than me could probably get there through a SQL injection or somewhere like that. There's techniques for finding these pages, but yeah. So that tells you everything you need to know about it. The website itself is just an absolute joke, isn't it? Designed by a 10 year old and put together by a four year old. And that's not a criticism of young children. It's just that they're far better than we are.
00:45:22
Speaker
Perhaps, again, this is a reflection of the people and the generation and the age of the people that we are coming up against in this topic and that they are slightly far removed from reality, let's say. The other thing I would say about it as well is there's been news recently that
00:45:42
Speaker
The Deputy Secretary of Defence has now taken a more prominent role with Arrow, a lady by the name of Kathleen Hicks, and she said that she believes that transparency is a critical component of Arrow's work. She's committed to sharing their discoveries with Congress and the public and consistent with their responsibility to protect critical national defence and intelligence capabilities.
00:46:05
Speaker
but just nothing there. And I think she's probably come in, jumped all over Kirkpatrick and team and forced this to happen, probably much to the chagrin of a certain Mr Ron Moultrie, who was the previous reporting line for Dr Cheryl and Kirkpatrick. Ash, you got something to add? I believe on this. Yes, Dave, you were saying about the PDF document, so I've literally
00:46:33
Speaker
Well, I've just managed to find them because somebody, luckily, when that page was obviously live has archived it on the Wayback Machine, which is a really good website for finding websites that are no longer active or the pages have been deleted. And it's actually a PDF document looking at it. And I've seen pictures of this on the X or Twitter, whatever we want to call it these days, but it's basically a slide deck for the US Defense Department and the UAP mission by Sean Kirkpatrick. It's on classified level, but it's interesting why they've removed it.
00:47:02
Speaker
It's basically the slide. I don't know if people saw some screenshots during the week, but people were talking about this sphere clip art that was used or something. It was like an object. It was an object that was in the bottom right-hand corner of this document, and it was stock imagery, basically. But it talks about UAP signatures and all that kind of stuff. It's interesting why they've removed that, what's in that document that they no longer want on the website, or perhaps there's some errors in there. But it is actually
00:47:30
Speaker
You can actually find it on the Wayback machine if you type in the full address that that's showing the link dead to. So yeah, that's just interesting why they've removed that. I'll have to have a proper dig for it now, now we know it's there. But yeah, in relation to the website itself, I agree with Davy, I think it looks really basic. It's like the worst website wireframe ever. It literally looks like something out of the 90s. I mean, yeah, that's meant to be a professional site from the US Department of Defense. It's pretty shocking.
00:48:00
Speaker
One thing I did find of interest, though, is if you go right down to the bottom, there's a big logo that says Veterans Crisis Line, which is great, you know, helping veterans through, you know, crisis, mental health, etc. But why have they had to make it so prominent? It's almost like there's that subtle subliminal link to, oh, look, David Grush has got mental health problems. If you're on this website, it's clearly because you've got mental health problems. And it's that, I don't know, maybe we'll jump to conclusions here. But it seems interesting. I've checked on a couple of other US Department of Defense military websites, and I can't see that on there.
00:48:30
Speaker
So it's interesting why they've decided to put that on there, bearing in mind their core mission and the actual whole idea behind the website. They haven't even got that bit sorted yet, but they've had the thought of, oh, well, we should put the veteran support logo on there. So I don't know. Maybe I'm just a bit cynical, but I just found that instantly suspicious when I looked at it.
00:48:48
Speaker
If you look at stuff over the years, I don't think the governments and the people that set up all this stuff do anything by accident. I think there's a lot of it is controlled. They control everything. They've not got our submit button. So probably somebody's scrolling all the way up and down to see how else they can contact. They come across that button, like you just say, Ash. And they go, oh, shit.
00:49:15
Speaker
I mean I was laughing at that because I thought it'd probably be quicker ringing them but it would to try and go through arrow to try and report something wouldn't you given most of the people are veterans you know what I mean absolutely I mean I did it you might be right but I'm not doing anything by accident but they really are I mean this I always see him with any big red shoes and driving a clown car but it explodes when it gets into the ground this lot because it absolutely
00:49:40
Speaker
I mean, the reason Kathleen Hicks is involved, she should have been involved six months ago. I heard that spokesman said, oh yes, it's great, she's really got an eye on it. She should have been there six months ago and it's that embarrassing, but she's had to dive in and maybe, because it's just pathetic, isn't it?
00:49:55
Speaker
Basically, I mean, we've had the accusations of slow progress, but it's particularly embarrassing that they've got a website that's not up and running 18 months after it was mandated. Absolutely ludicrous. And they've just been, they've basically been having a laugh, sticking two fingers up, or one finger up, I suppose, in the States, everybody. They say, we're not doing it. I mean, it was on Mortrie's desk at Christmas apparently, and what's he done since?
00:50:18
Speaker
and then it was embarrassing after Curt Patrick started to complain but whistle blowers were circumventing him and not going forward because people were being nasty about him and in fact he couldn't go anywhere because the website wasn't up and running I mean how ludicrous was that I mean it's absolutely pathetic
00:50:35
Speaker
You can get a website up and running in a few minutes nowadays. It's not like back in the old days where you used to have to webmasters and all that kind of stuff. Like you mentioned, Davey, kids can put a website up in probably minutes nowadays. We have AI as well. You can literally tell it what you want it to do in it. It looks 10 times, 100 times better than that.
00:51:00
Speaker
I mean, so last week it was launched and it's got a mission statement, a vision statement and all the rest of it is stuff just from his old slides. I recognise everyone. I mean, people were getting excited about that, you know, when he mentioned craft recovery, as if that was something he wasn't in that PDF, unless they're a bit sensitive about that. But that was that was just what he put before when he was trying to write that fantasy island a few months ago about because he was doing this presentation and he realised
00:51:30
Speaker
that you've not done anything at all that was linked to the original NDA, you know, all the different things they had to do. So we put on this slide, this is what we're going to do in the future to address all these issues. That's all that is, if you read it. It's just the same crap.
00:51:45
Speaker
that he put up before. He's got the three famous videos from the New York Times saying they're unresolved, and the only other ones are things they think they've resolved, or whatever. And he's saying in the future, apparently, they're only going to put resolved, unclassified ones on. Well, that narrows the field a little bit, doesn't it? What's the point of that? I mean, I'd rather they put things that were unresolved that they didn't know about, but it's just the same
00:52:11
Speaker
stupid fantasy island cobblers place they live in and we've got Rush on one side saying we know about it and we've got Arrow with the fingers in their ears going la la la la la, trying to take us back sort of 10 years to where we are now. So there's nothing new I don't think it's just a load of window dressing really thrown together and the same dodgy sophistry that they're employing really.
00:52:35
Speaker
The bottom line is nobody's got any faith in Kirkpatrick, any statements, he's lack of progress. And if they want to get rid of, the whistleblower's got no faith in him, that's why they circumvent Narrow. So if they want to really reboot that office, they need to get rid of him. And that's the bottom line. Nobody's got any, it's just a living metaphor for how they don't care. I mean, how they can talk about transparency and whatever openness. I mean, it's been an absolute,
00:53:01
Speaker
Catherine Hicks should hold her head in shame at having this bunch of jokers that she's over, behaving like this. It's an absolute disgrace. Anyway, just a couple of last points when my blood pressure goes down slightly. Firstly, just remember, the Arrow report is still delayed. It should have been in June. They were going, oh, it's not ready for August. I thought, forget about August. It was June. It should have been out. It's still not done that.
00:53:29
Speaker
And I wonder why this is, is it linked to is it linked to Grushe's testimony and he can't keep up this cobbler's line of no evidence of whatever. And I chime craft because that's crucial. Can't say extraterrestrial anymore now. An H.I. if he goes to the legislation and that means he can't use his little weasel words to get out of it as easily.
00:53:50
Speaker
But anyway, I wondered, there has been rumours from old Sharpie that he's in Liberation Times, that he's been given a crash craft by somebody or some material. Now if he's actually got that in the department, he's probably put it somewhere in a broom cup and he's trying to get the cleaner to ignore it, you know, go around it. But he can't, maybe he can't quite say he's no more evidence, he doesn't know what to do, so maybe that's it.
00:54:13
Speaker
You've also got his partners in crime NASA, who are in the same fantasy island as he is. Their report's been delayed as well. And why is that? I mean, presumably, Bill Watson's name, Bill Nelson, sort of rolled out of whatever office he's in.
00:54:29
Speaker
I said, what are we reporting on? Oh, well, we're just going to talk about ways we can spot UAPs. Oh, yeah, we spent. Oh, yeah. Well, six. Well, yeah. Ways we can look at them. Have we looked at our lack as all? No, no, we're not. We're nowhere near that yet, Bill. He's probably said we're going to look like a load of idiots here. What are you doing?
00:54:46
Speaker
And so I think the report, they're trying to revamp it. And I also think, and I thought this when Gus was testifying, there were one statement away from being exposed as being complicit in what they've been doing, as we all know they've been up to for the last 30, 40 years.
00:55:00
Speaker
I thought, and I think they've realized, but if they put a report out, some Luffenberger report, they're going to look stupid if something comes out. So both these organizations are in some sort of stasis, truth stasis, because they dare not say anything because whatever one wrong step and they'll be exposed as the charlatans they are. So yes, I really enjoyed the new website, as you can tell, and it really is. The only thing is, I suppose, forget about us. They have got a website and that does raise the profile. So that's,
00:55:30
Speaker
While I'm being very negative, the fact of its existence is, I suppose, a positive for people who aren't that much into it. So there you go. That's my stunning review of their website. I think Dave's being abducted. Being shot down.
00:55:57
Speaker
I think that was quite unanimous across the panel regarding the arrow.
00:56:06
Speaker
One thing I didn't notice is, if you scroll down to the bottom, you go on the education and resources tab. Trackers. The trackers, you've got space operators, trackers, ISS tracker, aircraft trackers, balloon trackers. Satellite trackers. Where am I going? At the very bottom. I think that's quite a good idea, though. I think that's quite good to have that because you probably do get a lot of people that just jump to the conclusion, go, there must be a UFO. And they do no due diligence or actually an investigation themselves. And these basic little tools can actually go, well, actually, yeah, he's a satellite or he's
00:56:35
Speaker
it is at the ISS passing or something. So I kind of get their point on that. They only want the quality reports. And you kind of, you want to try and filter out the crap, don't you really? And anything that is going to them, you want to make sure first and foremost, we'll have you done your due diligence before we investigate it. So I think that's a good idea.
00:56:52
Speaker
Balloon Tracker's a good one, actually. Yeah, I've not heard that before. No. I wonder how fast they got that up. Faster than the website, I expect. Hey, I'm back now. How far did I get to, lads? Where did I finish? We saw you get abducted through the window and that was it. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I finished... Was that going on about NASA? Did you hear that bit? Because I was talking to myself. Yeah, all right. Well, you probably heard the best of it then. I just had to be sedated then. A load of medics run in and sedated me.
00:57:22
Speaker
after and that you might not have heard me say was but at the end of it all at least it's out there for the public so for the people who are informed it's probably good visibility so i did have one positive remark in a sea of negatives sorry about that yeah i was talking about the the trackers that are on there as well as as someone who i'm cascading ufo's on a weekly basis when reports that come into ufo identified and
00:57:49
Speaker
These are all tools that we use as part of the basics. We have a checklist we go through and we'll check all of these different types of programs. I hope it's exciting. I guess I'd say Ash about weeding out the good ones from the ones that are at the space station. Whatever, but it's interesting it's on there. I think it's kind of like, is it them just saying, yeah, this explains it all.
00:58:17
Speaker
I was thinking that subliminal kind of like thought planting again, isn't it? But then also on the flip side, is it also the fact that they're a small department, they literally don't have the resources to thoroughly investigate stuff. So they kind of want you to do most of the investigation before it gets to them. So yeah, it could be either of those, couldn't it? Or a bit of both.
00:58:38
Speaker
I think they can't be bothered employing everybody else because they might actually find something. I think that's more accurate. Don't look too hard, boys. Don't look too hard. No, no. I mean, they didn't even record him, did they? Was it Salas, the nuclear? He had to ring him up and ask him for his notes at the interview because he hadn't recorded it in the insect. How pathetic is that? And I can only think they didn't record it because they didn't want to have any evidence of anything. They didn't want to investigate. That's the only reason I can think for that. Absolutely useless.
00:59:08
Speaker
It's almost scandalous. It is scandalous, to say the least. If that was the UK politicians and all this was kicking off, you can imagine what PMQs would be like on a Wednesday afternoon.
Debating the Peru Incident
00:59:21
Speaker
Keir Starmer would be going ape shit. Get the popcorn out.
00:59:24
Speaker
Yeah, I would tune into that specifically. I listen to the PMQs a lot and they'd go at each other. Any excuse, but this would take the biscuit. I think it would really be something to some sight to behold that would. We should maybe do that at Christmas, do some sort of sketch, you know, Prime Minister. Yeah, Sean, Sean Kirkpatrick, question time. Yeah. Sean, do you believe what you were saying? Yes or no?
00:59:52
Speaker
Anyway, I can think of a few now. So moving on, something completely a little bit different. This is a couple of weeks old now, actually recording this, but very interesting. I guess a few days occurred from Peru.
01:00:13
Speaker
as there was reports of attacks in the Amazon jungle in Peru on terrified villagers by reported seven to four aliens floating off the ground attacking villagers, wearing shiny suits with body armour and trying to abduct villagers including a 15-year-old girl. The story was taken extremely seriously by the Peruvian media
01:00:37
Speaker
Some videos emerged, some very interesting videos and the navy recording to is not calm. Shortly after this, the local police blamed on the local miners wearing jet packs trying to scare villages off their land. It paints quite a picture.
01:00:54
Speaker
and some gold miners with jet packs and guns or whatever the hell they've got on them. So what do we make of this? It has kind of gone a bit quiet since it kind of happened a couple weeks ago but what's
01:01:10
Speaker
the panel's thoughts on this. Is it a total hoax? Is it, as I say, is it these gold miners with jet packs? Or is it something a bit more sinister? Dave S. Right. Okay. Well, right. I mean, the countdown from the website. Well, the first thing is,
01:01:33
Speaker
There has been over the years in the Amazon cases of miners intimidating the local population and trying to scare them from the lamp and the mine. They mainly do it on water and they do that sluice in on the banks of rivers. But there's also been a long history of reports of these strange creatures operating in the Amazon jungle from a lot of different people from Brazil, this is Peru, but it's all a link right in the Amazon.
01:01:58
Speaker
So it's also true to say the villages are all armed. They don't scare easy. And they normally fight these people and they come and scare them. They're not stupid. They don't go, oh my god, you know, et cetera.
01:02:14
Speaker
I think in the videos they were actually terrified, they were scared to death and as I said they don't scare easy and they clearly for me had seen something. Now we've got reports of these seven foot creatures, shiny suits, power, cloaking, invisibility, body armour, shot point blank and they got up, floating a few feet off the ground, child of duck people, particularly younger people and a young girl of 15 was nearly taken now.
01:02:39
Speaker
There's also some pretty intriguing footage taken as well that seems pretty genuine in terms of people's reactions and seeing something quite weird. The point is, I cannot see anybody in the deep Amazon jungle rolling round in a jetpack, can you? At ground level, flying around, not without being turned into mincemeat very quickly. There's no chance, I think it's just absolutely ludicrous.
01:03:02
Speaker
And when I heard the explanation of these sort of crazed, cartel, sort of influenced jetpack flying sort of miners, you know, who are all highly, you know, mostly uneducated, haven't got any money themselves. And they're just basically just living a load of what I thought. There's no chance. And it was quite obvious when they were talking, but this ludicrous story of these jetpack miners, which sounds like some sort of game from the eighties, was just concocted to fit the reported facts. That's for me.
01:03:32
Speaker
Now, I, as you know, I like the crypto stuff and it took my eye because it fits a load of factors of the crypto profile, the suits, the floating off the ground, the cloaking, all these things. I won't go into it now. But for me, it does fit a definite profile over what's going on now. But even whether you think that's right or not, clearly something for me non sort of prosaic.
01:03:58
Speaker
has gone on really and I think if you look at the crypto profile what tends to happen when you get these sort of appearances it's when the homes or the habitat of whatever these others are who are living there the theory is they're living underground or wherever in these isolated places the jungle being a good place to do it when they get disturbed or something happens then they come out and start taking it out on the local population or whatever behaving in this manner. Now
01:04:26
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So I think something disturbed my shut up in a minute, but I'll just finish this bit. There was apparently, which hasn't been reported, a massive military exercise going on in that part of the jungle. They had Brits, Americans, loads of different South American armed forces, a massive exercise at the time down there. And that was reported by a fellow called Timothy Albarino. He did a brilliant program on it, on Jimmy Church. Now I know Jimmy Church eats with everybody's taste, but he does do some good interviews, and this was one of them.
01:04:56
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And so I wondered if something else, something that disturbed whatever this was in the jungle and it sort of come out. Or, and this is probably a bit too conspiratorial, whether there was some sort of operation being mounted against them. And this was the consequence because it does seem in South America, you do get reports, unlike other parts of the world, like Calaris and all that, where there's more violent action taken by whatever.
01:05:23
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seems to be down there so for me something happened it fixed the crypto I don't believe the explanations I don't I've not said I don't believe I definitely believe it but I just think it's too convenient the way it's been explained away and so for me I think there's something to it and I find it particularly interesting because of my interest in the crypto profile so I admit my bias there
01:05:54
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Yeah. So, yeah, when I first heard about this, I instantly thought of you, Dave, I thought that is the crypto profile right there, because I'm interested in this as well. I also thought as someone been watching the Mandalorian too much, because, you know, there's a lot of jetpack, there's a lot of mining going on. So yeah, there's a bit of a Star Wars link there as well. But no, getting back to the seriousness of it, I mean, it's just preposterous when you start looking at what it would take to for this explanation to actually make sense. I mean, these jetpacks,
01:06:23
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Yes, they exist, but they're not exactly easy to use. You need to be quite proficient with it. You need to have to train in. That's not even mentioning the cost of them. They're hundreds of thousands of pounds, these bits of kit. Then you've got to think about the fuel. The fuel's not necessarily easy to obtain. You're talking about jet grade fuel, aviation fuel. Are you really going to have that in the jungle? Then, like you mentioned, Dave, actually the practicalities of using this bit of kit in the jungle. The terrain is not the right terrain to be using it. The risk of you just shooting off and going into
01:06:53
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straight into a tree and it's just bonkers. I don't think it was miners using jet packs. Do organised crime groups that run some of these mines potentially have the means and the funds to do it? Yes, they might do. The big cheese is that the main players, but the average person digging it, digging the mines aren't going. Like you were saying, Dave, they can barely rub two things together themselves, let alone buy a jet pack. It just makes no sense to me.
01:07:23
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When we talk about the actual witnesses as well, these people, yes, they live in remote locations, but they're not like an uncontacted Amazonian tribe. They know what's going on in the world. They have access to the internet, mobile phones, so it's not like they don't know what they're looking at. It's not like they've never seen a sci-fi movie or they've never seen a human being wearing a suit. They can tell the difference between something that's normal or something that's
01:07:45
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a bit out of this world. So I think we need to give them a bit more credit as well. And like you were saying, they seem genuinely quite scared in some of these clips as well. And you've got to ask yourself a question. What reason do they have to lie? You know, these people lead a simple life. What are they getting out of this other than more hassle, more grief and more emphasis on probably what is already a tough place to live anyway. And I think it's really interesting how it kind of was a big thing and the lid was put on it really quick and suddenly other news got in the way and nothing's really been said about it.
01:08:14
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which I find really interesting. To touch upon your point, Dave, around what was actually going on, what caused it, if these are the others or the crypto-treasures, we're even going to refer to them as, which is very speculative, but if it is them, how do we know that the miners haven't been attacked too? Because they're not exactly going to report it, are they? Because they're carrying out illegal activities. Perhaps they've been digging into areas they shouldn't, and it's provoked this reaction. That's another theory potentially, I don't know.
01:08:42
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I'm with you on that, Dave. Something's a little bit fishy here. I certainly do not prescribe to the explanation that's been given at all. I think it's ridiculous. David, you two have just convinced me. I came into this thinking this is just another distraction.
01:09:01
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You know, we're in that pushback phase. We've seen with the smear campaign against Grosch, we've seen with the sneak out video of Gillibrand giggling at the topic. And with them, we had the MH370 video, which Ash and I have talked about as well. Just absolute bonkers, you know, distraction. Look at the bright shiny thing. Don't pay attention to what's really happening. But you two have actually done a really good job there to make me stop and think a little bit.
01:09:29
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So the cost of a jet pack is about 300k, $300,000. So expensive, very expensive, hard to fly, hard to fuel. If you have access to a 300k jet pack, do you use it just for scaring the locals? There are better ways to scare them. You just simply go in and you kill two of them. There is a long history in South America of, so the name that these
01:09:54
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aliens were given by the locals was Los Pelicadas, which is the face peelers. And there is a long history of gangs, of syndicates involved in mining, in drug trafficking, in people trafficking in South America, taking somebody, cutting the face off and dumping them in a river.
01:10:12
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You can find stories about Los Pelicanros going back 10, 15 years, normally written by people from a religious support group locally that is having to deal with the aftermath of this and deal with the support to people. So there's definitely easier and better ways to scare somebody than be flying through the air. But what I really love, and this speaks to something in me that I'm still not sure about, is that we have this idea that this is a
01:10:40
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almost like a primeval of folkloric type story and legend. And yet the way that the head of the tribe described them was as the green goblin.
01:10:51
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So just as you were saying there, Ash, about they have access to modern media, they do. And the way that the modern media informs the myth-making, the storytelling, I find really interesting. I think there's more for us to understand there about how we view and interact with the anomalous and the unusual and how we use modern media to create that frame of reference. I think that, for me, that's what this story tells.
01:11:18
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about us as people and our interactions with those things we don't understand. Greg, I don't even know what to add to that. All three of you are just, I don't know, I don't know. I haven't really got anything more to say. I mean, who knows what actually happened? That's the thing. I mean,
01:11:43
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for example and i'm just throwing it out here don't shoot me as i'm as i'm saying this but if you watch the steven greer whistleblower presentation thing that he did with all these people come out there's one ex-military guy who said that they were in the forest they came across these
01:12:02
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unbadged military personnel type people with advanced tech because there was this weird pyramid UFO type thing hovering. Who's to say it isn't just some military psyop that
01:12:22
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It's ideal because if you can make it out to be something it's not, you can shut it down quite quick because these people, they don't know what they're on about. Like you mentioned, they can't really say much because a lot of the stuff they're doing is illegal anyway, so they go quiet. Who's going to believe these people, the locals, when
01:12:47
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I don't know. What do they know type of thing? That's looking at it from say a privileged first world point of view. It's like, well, they just live in the jungle. But like you said, Ash is, what have they got to lose by speaking out? That's the other, the flip side. It's like, if we've talked all the way through today and this episode about following the money, following the motivation, why are these people doing what they're doing?
01:13:17
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There's no motivation for these people to say what they're saying, and I think you were bang on there, Ashta.
01:13:25
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All they're doing is ruining their reputation, essentially. And you could almost say the same for David Bush. They're stepping out these people, saying stuff, probably in the knowledge that they're going to be ripped into by the media. Because who loves nothing more than putting something on the front page that says, local sea, wild, flying aliens, killing people, and all this kind of stuff in the forest.
01:13:55
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It writes the headline itself and it's perfect for the Daily Mirror or the Star or something like that. So, initially, I thought it was potentially a looker. Some kind of black project, military thing, out in the middle of nowhere doing their thing.
01:14:14
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But then listening to Dave and Ash, you kind of go, well, actually, yeah, why wouldn't it be or why couldn't it be something more down to earth, as it were? And non, why am I always looking at something saying it's a black project? Why am I always thinking,
01:14:38
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A lot of these things is distraction and whatnot. Why can't it be crypto-terrestrials? Why can't it be something unusual? So I'm massively on the fence. I don't even know what to think anymore. I mean, you've got to remember in Peru, they were absolutely gripped the nation. It was all being reported properly, seriously. So they had to shut it down pretty quick and they come up with this sort of cobble together story from where I can see, but absolutely fitted all the things.
01:15:06
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I mean, the thing about Greer and all the rest of it, he's got a very bad track record of vetting these people. So he has good witnesses alongside charlatans, for want of a better word, which has been evidence for a bit. So I don't know whether to believe him or not, and it all fits into this thing. We've all got millions of spacecraft and we're all flying around. We're not far from flying around a solar system, setting up a McDonald's hour with Greer and all the rest of it.
01:15:33
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So I mean, it could be a blackout, but I can't see any reason it would be. And I don't think the seriousness of which it was treated by the media would have suggested that. But equally, Greg, you can never dismiss something like that.
01:15:50
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But I don't think it's likely, I must be honest with you, but it's a bit like when Mick West says, not that you're doing this, but he says, oh, it could be that. And then in the next prep, he says, it is that, you know? But I know, I know, you know, I'm just trying to illustrate the difference between it could be and it is, if you see what I mean. But I think that's a really good point that you make, Davey, about listening to Indigenous or local people.
01:16:18
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Because there's a history of Western archaeology, of reporting, of colonialism. It's all not taking these people seriously, as if they're some kind of subhuman or idiot or people to be laughed at. And they've actually got the narrative, and they know what's happening. And these people, anyway, they're used to that environment, and they knew it was well off the charts. And that's a very good point, that they live and breathe that environment, so they would know what would be normal, what wouldn't be normal,
01:16:47
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everything like that. All the Native American tribes and around the skinwalkers and everything like that, they know what the land holds. They're not stupid people. They can't be stupid if they've been able to live generations on the land. You know your environment. It's no different from in the UK, you see all the security announcements. It's like,
01:17:14
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You know, see it say it's sorted. You know, you're the best person to understand your environment. If something looks out of place, you need to let us know, like reports the authority. Certainly. It's the same here. These people live here every day. They know the land. They've, you know, their ancestors have farmed it or whatever for years and years, hundreds of generation, years of generations of people living there. So they would know if someone looks out of place. I liked your comment, Greg, around potential covert black program, because that's kind of tie into the whole like Greer thing around the breakaway civilization as well, doesn't it? And this sort of advanced civilization that's breaking away.
01:17:44
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as easily deniable operations. But you've got to ask the question, what was their motive? Why were they trying to scare these people? So there must still be something, even if it is that, what are they hiding? Or what's there that's that important that it needs securing? And you're worried about some villagers, you know, exposing it or something, you know. So yeah, there's more questions and answers to this. But it's, it's really interesting. I think, hopefully, it's not the last we hear of it. And, you know, someone who actually
01:18:10
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and get boots on the ground and do a bit more research into it because I think it's really interesting and yeah, I'll just fascinate by it. Yeah, it's a super, super interesting topic. It's only a bit different as well, which is always, oh, it's got this, like I said, it has rights itself, it's just a crazy, like, what the hell is going on?
Exploring Yorkshire's Paranormal Phenomena
01:18:30
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Anything to add before we move on to our final topic by anyone? Nope, cool, so.
01:18:37
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recently and i think good to mention this with you two guys with us on the the round table because there's some linkage there our friend Paul Sinclair found truth proof truth proof truth proof and all his work up there in the north yorkshire he's finally released his documentary wolflands available on amazon from the truth proof website i know if i worked on this for quite a few years obviously it's based on all these research you've been doing for many many years
01:19:08
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before that. So this documentary Wolflands, talks about UFOs, cryptids, paranormal, and basically mainly around dogmen and other strange things in that part of Yorkshire and the Yorkshire coast and the Yorkshire woodland, the forest up there.
01:19:25
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You two guys were on, you recently did an episode about big cats in the UK. And you also touched a bit on dogs and hound, like these horror hounds and stuff that have been reported for hundreds of years really, which is just looking into some of the stuff that Paul Sinclair talks about in the documentary. So I'll start with you two then. Dave, if you've seen the documentary, what did you think of it? I've got an admission to make, I've not seen it yet.
01:19:55
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And I did have the chance to chat with Paul the other week at Awaken. I think Paul's wonderful. He feels to me like the next generation or the heir to the throne that was vacated by Tony Dodd. So Tony was somebody I had team. I had the fortune of meeting and chatting with many times over the years. And there's the same sort of level of research, the same level of understanding
01:20:24
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that Paul displays. It's on my list of things to watch. When Ash and I did our last episode on ABCs and Ds, Alien Big Cats and Dogs, I took the Panthera Britain documentary, so I've watched that, so I can tell you all about black cats, but I haven't yet watched Wolflands by Paul. It is on my watch list. But just to echo one of the things we've talked about before,
01:20:52
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Right across the whole of the UK, there is this legend in various regions of wolf men, of black dogs. One thing Ash and I didn't discuss when we talked about this was the history of the werewolf. So there's a whole new topic there for us to dig into at some point. But yeah, particularly the Yorkshire Dales, there's a long history of the bad guest, which is literally the town ghost.
01:21:13
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and they're not always black dogs and they do have the ability to shape shift, they do have the ability to change form. Very locally to me, it takes the form of two glowing eyes that move across the top of the moorland, which when you look at what that could be, that could simply be two orange balls of light, two spheres, two globes, whatever, orbs as people talk about them now.
01:21:35
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But yeah, that area that Paul works in is absolutely amazing. So I can't wait to to sit down and watch it. And I'm intrigued to hear what everybody else has to say about it. Go on then, Ash. Yeah, I have actually seen it. But as as Davey said, we said we'd take a documentary each and I still need to watch the the Black Cat one. So that's on my list today.
01:21:57
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Yeah, I thought it was really, really good documentary. He released a teaser a couple of months back and I was excited to watch that. It was quite a long teaser actually, 15 minutes on YouTube. And I thought, yeah, this is going to be good. And it was well worth the wait. He's been working on it for a couple of years now with Les Drake as well. He's done like a lot of things, the filming and the production side of it. So yeah, really well worth the wait. I mean, the quality of the accounts and the people he's had involved in the documentary and the sort of reenactments they've done. And it's just been really well done.
01:22:25
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and some of the artwork as well and the way they kind of reenacted the sightings. It was actually quite haunting and quite scary in places, you know, if you're not used to this kind of thing. So no, I thought it was done really well. Cinematography is great. Some really good drone footage as well and really built up the atmosphere around the accounts. And it's quite hard to bring in accounts to life, you know, and actually making the viewer be in that moment that the person was experiencing it. I think Paul really managed to achieve that with this film. So yeah, really good bit of work. I particularly
01:22:55
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Like your point, Dave, because I'd written it on the notes here as well, I think he's definitely picking up from following on from that work that Tony Dodd kind of done. So, you know, same area, same kind of incidents he's encountering. It's like, you know, that never stopped. Tony Dodd unfortunately passed away, but that the actual incidents and the accounts of what's been going on hasn't stopped. If anything, it seems to have got more prolific and obviously Paul's now in a place where he can follow on and investigate that. One incident, one account I thought was worth mentioning
01:23:25
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it does link to Tony Joel as well is the Dolby Forest incident that he goes into in the documentary. So this is basically where over a period of time, a load of mannequins, well, a load of, this is the official account, a load of mannequins were allegedly just dumped in the woods randomly in the middle of nowhere. But other people were saying, no, actually, it was, it was human bodies, human remains that were found and that they'd actually been mutilated. And it was unexplained while they were found in that way.
01:23:52
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And allegedly, there was some sort of cover up with the government and the military involved and the local coroner kind of confirmed that, yes, there were people that were found here over a period of time. So I don't know too much more about it. I need to reread Tony Dodd's book. But I remember reading that in a book years back. And I just thought it was interesting that Paul Sinclair is now looking back into that. Because, yeah, we always talk about the US and all the cover up and everything that's going on over there.
01:24:17
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but I'm pretty certain there's probably a lot going on over in this country as well that we're just maybe better at keeping the secrets. But yeah, all in all, great documentary, highly recommend it. Yeah, get out there and watch it if you haven't. Yeah, I mean, the mannequin stuff is, I mean, it's creepy as fuck. And like you say, like what Paul says in the documentary as well is,
01:24:40
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If it happens once, maybe someone can see an arm and be brought in and please come and it's a mannequin. I think it was seven. Yeah, it was like seven or eight. Seven or eight people aren't going to confuse a human body for a mannequin, are they? Yeah, definitely. It's pretty insane. I mean, I'm no stranger to standing in the forest at two in the morning, calling out, looking for dark men and stuff out there a couple of weeks ago, doing a very similar thing.
01:25:07
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But hearing these people talk can be counting their experiences. Some of them I know about from Paul's talks and Paul's books.
01:25:15
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I was glad to see some of them made it into the documentary. They were like, yes, it's covered this one. And it's just, it really, really is creepy. It's, I guess I was watching it, hearing them talk about their experiences. And I got the ex-soldiers gunner who basically like just noped out of there when they had their experiences. And it is really, really, really well done. Dave, what's your take?
01:25:42
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I thought it was really, really good to see. A lot of these films can be hit and miss when you see these films produced. They don't really like a storyline or it's just not very well put together. Now, Paul himself is a really good speaker and he's at his best spontaneously, I think. And he's not quite as good when he's rehearsed, but he got that balance writing this film perfectly of his excellent storytelling, plus the connectedness of the story.
01:26:09
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So I thought it was great. It was like you guys said, it was well filmed. It made sense. You got a sense of the history of the land and the myths and as well as the specific cases and the sort of journey around that bit of Yorkshire is really weird now. So it's always really effective. Now I followed him for quite a bit. I mean, I think you put me onto him at UAP Ash, I should say a lot. I mean, I'd seen him before, but I really,
01:26:36
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Because all that stuff around that is a very freaky place around there. I mean, David, you're very near there now. You're in the middle of it, really. But it's a very weird place, lots of history. Now, personally, without being like a broken record, I think there's a good chase for if there is something to this crypto thing or whatever.
01:26:54
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This is a perfect area for it, it's isolated. A lot of the cases Sinclair describes, you've got the animals appearing, people being pursued by invisible forces. You've got all these different things, the red eyes, the people going through portals, it's got everything. And without having some sort of model to explain it, it's very difficult to make sense of what is bewildering really.
01:27:17
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Anyway, captured that. And I'm not saying I completely believe that because if you listen to DJ on the cab podcast, he knows a lot of Bigfoot people and they swear that they're all physical beings. But, but to me anyway, I thought he really captured that sense of awareness and the link to some of the military facilities. And there's a lot of strange stuff. I think there's also bases on the cliffs near that place he goes to, you know, where they've seen the sites out to see.
01:27:44
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So I think there's a lot going on there. Anyway, I also thought that they also hinted in the film at this abduction phenomenon. They didn't want to go too far then, because that was linked to the mannequins, wasn't it? But I do think it is a bit of a theme as well, where do people go to? And we look at that David Pallidi's work in the States about people going missing. And you do wonder to what extent it is an unreported phenomena and what's happening. And that certainly made me think about that.
01:28:13
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Yeah, so I thought it was, I thought it was really good and I think the connection to that, for me, the connection to The Crypt of Soul profile is pretty strong, but whatever is happening, I'd really recommend it. It was a great film. I would say I'd also recommend your episode on The Mechanism, lads, and I don't brush, but that on The Big Cats was really well done because it's a difficult topic, lots of different things, and where'd you stop? And you guys really covered it well. And funnily enough, I listened to that and then I watched Paul's thing and it really went to go.
01:28:43
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together well because where you sort of stopped are just about it's just that he started and so it really went to go so it was great to sit those two things the same week just as a my personal perspective but yeah he's done such a good job passing Claire and he's really important and yeah Yorkshire could be the mecca for all that he's weird wonderful and maybe the answer in some ways you know the mecca of the mechanism ah very good
01:29:11
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He's all over it tonight, isn't he? Thanks for your kind comments, Dave. Appreciate that. I just wanted to add as well. I think Paul's left it open as well. I've got his books and everything. I think he does some great research. But the Hum and Bee incident, for example, is an amazing case. And that wasn't even featured in that film. And again, you were talking about the missing people and all that kind of stuff as well. There's so much stuff that we know Paul is into and investigates. It wasn't even featured in that documentary. So I hope that it spurs him on to
01:29:41
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release more documentaries and focus on some of those amazing cases in more detail. Because the Hummer V1 is phenomenal. Highly recommend typing it in. Go check it out on Paul's site if you're not aware of it. But it's an insane case. You've got everything from puddle-guised activity, UFO landings, military cover-up involvement, you name it. It's
Unexplained Disappearances in the UK
01:29:59
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all in this one area. Hopefully, some more interesting stuff coming from Paul over the next months and years.
01:30:06
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Yeah, I believe he is starting to record Wolflands 2 as well. What's interesting as well, obviously the big focus is on the dogmen, the werewolf type of lore. And a lot of places in that area, all the forest names and the village names, all like Latin or whatever. So we're just thinking, how many of you mentioned then? Goes back to his recording Doomsday book.
01:30:33
Speaker
in 1086 that comes back to the meaning of houndsmen and blades to the hunting of wolves in the Yorkshire wolves. There's quite a few where it all translates into like wolf man or like big dog hounds and stuff. It all ties in together that for hundreds of years, this is the place where these things have been seen and been getting reported. And you mentioned missing people.
01:30:55
Speaker
across the UK like Mission 411 in America, tens of thousands of people got missed like every year in the UK and a lot of people end up in forests, they end up in forests being found and stuff and it's is the connection on that side of it as well. Do we need to do like a mission 411 UK?
01:31:16
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version is that what Paul could lead to something like that where because in his books just talk about a lot of missing people strangers appearances people disappearing and turning up days later Having been a former police officer and involved in missing people investigations and having several weird experiences where people have been found myself Which I'm got times going to now it could be a whole episode Then I would agree with you on that Ash definitely, you know that the cases are out there and
01:31:43
Speaker
These things are happening. They're just not being recorded. They're not being picked up on. And no one really knows what to do with them. What would you do when you found someone in a situation? How would you deal with that? There is no one you can call to deal with that. So yeah, I think we are missing a UK 411 equivalent.
01:32:03
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Yeah, because I mean, the thing is, you've got to be asked to believe with all the level of them. But people just think, I know people do do this, but people are masked all right. I've had enough of my common life and just disappear into the sunset. No, and nobody, I mean, I can't believe it's that common people doing that. I know they do do it, but what they can say is, well, that's what they're adults. What can we do? And people, we just choose to believe that's happening. But when you start to think about it, because I've been thinking about myself recently,
01:32:31
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doesn't really feel as if it's likely, not in that level of frequency anyway. I think that's brilliant, missing a British equivalent of that, that'd be really good and their power would be the person to lead it definitely. Anything to
Anticipating New UFO Research
01:32:48
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add before we wrap up?
01:32:52
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Cool. I think going back to your episode, ABC, ABC Day, they've done the mechanism. The ending of that podcast was the highlight. We got a big shout out for Minicon and our super panelists. Cheers, guys. I'll try it out long. It's like, talk about me, talk about my podcast. I don't have the effort you put into it. And yeah, we're looking forward to it. Forward's coming.
01:33:15
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Absolutely, I just echo that. We are huge fans and followers of both the MiniCOD and Pursuit of the Paranormal, so we're fanboying it up here joining you, so thanks guys. Likewise. I think it's just worth reflecting before we go, but we're in a bit of a calm before the storm really, I think. I think it's all going to kick off again. I think
01:33:39
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People have been so used to having great stuff all the time but the minute we have a bit of a setback we think it's the end of the world and I think it's just going to ramp up from here and we just sort of a bit be calm. We just need to be patient really because it's sort of all happening and in a way what is surprising is the pushback has been so rubbish really to be honest with you.
01:33:59
Speaker
And so I think there'll be many on the round tables to come. I think we'll be reporting on different things. I don't think it'll be a straight progression. It'll keep exponentially increasing. But I do think we will start to see that progress again. And it's all tied to the Congress. That's the key for me. That's the only key that will unlock the door of secrecy on me.
01:34:23
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Amazing.
Podcast Promotion and Farewell
01:34:25
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Amazing. So, yeah, as we wrap up, Davey and Ash, do you want to plug your podcast a little bit? Where can we find you guys and what you called? I'll let Ash answer that one. He's always better at giving out the podcast details. Before he does that, though, I will just say we've done our last episode was on ABCs. Our next one is going to be on one, two, threes. I'm not going to tell anybody any more than that, but
01:34:52
Speaker
you can start trying to guess and work out what we're doing in terms of one, two, threes. Ash, over to you, mate. Yeah, so if you did want to check us out, we're on all the main podcast platforms, The Mechanism. If you want to reach out to us on X, I keep calling it Twitter, X, we're at The Mechanism pod, and you can also email us as well, themechanismpodatproton.me. Awesome. Well, thank you. Guys, Ash, you've been on before, but thanks for joining us again.
01:35:22
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on the round table, Davey, great first time and we hope to have you on again soon, Davey. Dave, as always, it's been a pleasure. It's been great and can I ask if people aren't sure about the crypto thing, myself and Greg did a pursuit of the paranormal episode a couple of weeks ago and it sort of goes through it also, if you're not sure about it.
01:35:45
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You can listen to it there. I just want people to find it interesting. That was a really good episode. I can vouch for you Dave. I think the way you structured it and everything, it was really, really good. Thoroughly enjoyed listening to that. Thanks for having me. On my dog walk through some scary woods.
01:36:03
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Yeah, thanks a lot. That's really good. And Greg. I'll see you later. Oh, right. Greg, can you find me? No? Okay. Okay. We've got an episode of a programme coming up that we filmed about a week ago, which is coming out in the next week or so about Delamere Forest and CE5. Excellent. Interesting. More forest connections. Love it.
01:36:32
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which also has had a lot of dark men reports for going back to roman times so very interesting wow so looking forward to that don't worry we'll spam it out so well until next month we shall see what happens in the next few weeks and we shall see you all later have a great evening so yeah i really enjoyed it thank you cheers
01:37:02
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