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Tangled
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It's time for a DISNEY! Emma and Katie dive into the 2010 Disney revival Tangled. They chat expensive animated films, Katie shows off her Disney knowledge skills and how this became the first Disney princess movie to achieve a PG rating (for violence and probably also Mother Gothel's gaslighting)
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Katie's Busy Schedule
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I've been so busy, Katie. Because of wedding season. And then i'm so I started rehearsals for Pride and Prejudice this week. And I also like don't want to lose money because of rehearsals. So... It was my hand lotion. I knocked it off the table.
00:00:18
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Katie! Your soft, supple hands!
00:00:25
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Ooh! That's Charlie's favorite Bath & Body Works smell. hair gloss. It's mine too.
00:00:40
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not even producer thomas no he likes to come in survey and then leave and then i have to get up to leave let him leave which is very annoying but um but yeah no it's been a busy time because like i'm trying to fill in holes in my schedule wherever i can with like like appointments at the bridal store or like other gigs and so like i'm literally trying to just sort of like frankenstein money Yeah. Uh-huh.
00:01:12
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Aren't we all? Yeah, I get
One Dark Window Duology
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that. Yeah. And so it's been exhausting. Like, I went to bed at 10 last night. I came home from the Bible store. And I'm reading a really good book, too. So I was, like, reading my book. And I'm like, I'm too tired to read.
00:01:29
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Don't you hate that? Don't you hate that? Right? What you reading? So I started the One Dark Window duology, which is really great. It's a romance. It's a romantic.
00:01:43
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Yeah. It's sort of like. Ooh. Yeah. Evocative cover. Yeah. i've seen this I've seen this. I've seen this promoted to me on... um ah Apple Books or whatever it's called now. Yeah, it's really good.
00:01:58
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Like it, the plot is solid. um It's, it's not like, it's not heavy on the spice, which I'm like, whatever, but it makes up for it in character development.
00:02:09
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Monster, martyr. Does she fuck a werewolf? Is it about fucking a werewolf? No, no, no, no. She's, she's not fucking a werewolf. She is the werewolf, but she's not a werewolf. She's got a monster inside her head.
00:02:24
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but not like a literal furry monster. I mean, she does get claws at one point because he comes out and he goes, but, um, but like, she's not werewolf. She's not like a furry monster. It's not, it's not dog sex is what I'm asking. Cause that's what I'm not interested in.
00:02:40
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There's no dog sex, no dog sex. There's no, there's lipstick. Yeah, no. This is a world of magical tarot cards where these magical tarot cards give you magic.
00:02:50
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But some people are just born with magic. But everything comes with a price, Katie. So if you use the cards for too... Exactly. you use the cards for too long, like stuff happens to you.
00:03:02
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But also if you're born with what they call the fever, um you depending on what your illness is... you i was born with the fever. Right? um Fever for fucking...
00:03:18
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So the alliteration was right there. i was going to go with something sillier, but i mean, honestly, that too.
00:03:26
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The fever for fucking. um But yeah, if you're born with the fever, then you, the more and more you use your magic, you sort of degenerate. And sometimes that means it's like slowly killing you. Other times it means you're like losing your mind.
00:03:41
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And so like hers is she can absorb these like magic cards and she absorbs like a monster from one of the cards and he like lives in her head.
00:03:52
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And the more that she like uses his power and like speed and like strength, the more powerful he becomes. And then eventually like he takes over. And so like, it's like, it's fun.
00:04:03
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It's a good time.
Katie's Work-Life Balance Struggles
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By Rachel Gillig. Yeah. So go read it. gave away a lot of the plot, but it's, there's lots of twists and turns. You know, it's really good. And so like I've been reading that. And so I was just like too tired. And then I went to sleep. And then this morning I was still tired. And then I went to work.
00:04:24
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I woke up at 630 and I went and I pretended to have an ectopic pregnancy, ask which is my job. And um then I came home and I napped and I literally just came home and just like went back to sleep.
00:04:40
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Like I just and now and then I had to record a self tape for an audition and then we're doing this and then I'm going to rehearsal and I'm doing all over tomorrow. Big day.
00:04:51
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Yeah. Yeah. You know, I've been doing i've been working five days and then having two days off ah for the past like month and I'm not into it. Yeah. I know that's normal. That's what most people do, but.
00:05:06
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Yeah. I am fan. Once you've tasted the like small, tiny three days on one day off, yeah you really can't, you can't go back. Yeah. It's hard.
00:05:19
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It's hard. It's hard. Starting on Monday, we're going to start being open until 9 PM every day. So. Gross. I hate that. Yeah. It really sucks.
00:05:30
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So everyone listening to this, don't go to Starbucks.
00:05:35
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um Yeah, don't. It's bad. It's bad. um Maybe I'll get fired for that. That would be great. Honestly, getting fired would amazing. Would you get severance? I would love to get fired. Yeah. mean, I would get unemployment. Yeah.
00:05:51
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Nice. But you wouldn't get like a severance package? They wouldn't put like a little chip in your brain that makes a second you? Yeah.
00:06:00
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No, neither that nor nor actual severance do they have that for, not at my level, but Starbucks. Stupid. This country sucks. Anyways, Starbucks.
00:06:13
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Famously featured in today's film. ah Yeah, probably. Behind the scenes. I'm sure it took a lot of Starbucks to...
00:06:24
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Oh, yeah. Right? think Shrek's the only place that has like a fairytale version of like modern corporations. I'll bet. Starbucks is so like like ubiquitous. I'm sure that there's like Starbucks jokes in a lot of other animated movies that we just don't remember. you know oh I'm sure. Especially now. I haven't seen every animated movie. There's not a Starbucks in like a Shark Tale or one of those. Yeah.
00:06:50
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Or Zootopia. There's a Starbucks. I bet there's a Starbucks bag in Zootopia. Yeah. 100%. Rabbit's got to get her fuel. Speaking of Zootopia, um same director of this movie.
00:07:05
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Really? Yeah. really enjoy Zootopia as well. All these movies have like two or three directors. yeah Yeah. As long as you don't think about Zootopia too long, it's it's really
Exploring Themes in Zootopia
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cute and fun. Yeah. And then like if you start thinking about like what it means, you're like...
00:07:20
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Hmm. That's uncomfortable. Isn't it about racism? Yeah, but it's also about like, it's also saying that some things are innate to these races because you can't draw a parallel between carnivores and herbivores and the different races in the modern world because those things are not innate to races.
00:07:44
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yeah it's It's not actually calling people of of different races predators and others prey because like it's not a perfect metaphor, but like it's not a good like its but a good path go down.
00:07:57
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You know what I mean? Yeah. It's not great is what we're saying. It's not great.
00:08:07
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But again, if you don't think about it too much, it's like, yeah, that was cute. Besides from also the fact that she's a cop. Yeah, that too. But this is a different world with different police. Maybe in the fictive animal Zootopia,
Tangled: A Humorous Recap
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the police are fine and they don't kill. no, wait, because that's what the whole movie is about.
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yeah
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God damn it. Zootopia. But, I mean, what I love is Shakira's there. Yeah, yeah. And Jason Bateman.
00:08:42
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Oh yeah, Jason Newman's in that too. Yeah. None of them are in this film though. No. That's right guys, you guessed it. This is go Get Your Girl. This is the podcast where Emma and Katie live in a tower and they have magical hair that when they sing it glows and it does other weird stuff and kind of has a personality. I've got some questions about that. And um their mom is a gaslighting immature parent.
00:09:07
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who cannot handle parenting and um basically gaslights us into thinking that the entire world's terrible, which I mean, she's not 100% wrong. But then one day, ah very handsome, swashbuckling, egotistical guy falls into our tower And ah changes our whole world.
00:09:31
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And we go on crazy adventures. And we learned that our mom basically kidnapped us. And we were, oh my god, we were kid on the milk carton.
00:09:42
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Yeah, yeah, for real. i' ah princesses Princesses without being raised in excess, which is like the way you want to be. Yeah. yeah Growing up poor and then realizing you're a princess, like that's the classic fairy tale dream.
00:09:59
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Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Because then your entire world's changed. All of your problems are solved by money. Which is true in the real life, too. Yeah. Money and power.
00:10:10
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mean, that's the thing. Like they say that money can't solve problems, but money would solve all my problems. Money would solve a lot of problems. If only I had more of it. Yeah. You know.
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00:10:26
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00:10:42
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00:10:57
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whether Whether it's in their they're replaying it their mind or whether they're reading it live, either one? That's complicated because you can track the reading. Yeah, but can you track like, yeah, that's i mean yeah that's that's why asked. Yeah, it's a good point. it's a good point Back to the drawing board.
00:11:16
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ha ha ha! Means we're thinking about you when you're masturbating, not the other way around.
00:11:28
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You betcha. So yeah, obviously this movie is for children.
The Making of Tangled
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ah We watched the 2010 Disney animated feature, the 50th Disney animated feature.
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was it really? Yeah, it says it right at the beginning on the screen. Yeah. I thought that just meant it was like the 50th year. No, no. um It was, so yeah, there are, it's Disney is very weird about what they consider, an and Disney animated feature, and what they consider not to be.
00:12:03
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So my friend Gia and I on Sundays, we've come up with this little game we like to play where we try to like make a list or come up or like do some kind of trivia. love that. Because it's long and boring at work. We don't have anything to do. So one day we decided we were going to try to name all the Disney animated features.
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And i looked up how many there were. just to not and i didn't look up. it I just said, how many are there according to Disney? And there's 63. And so I think we we came up with 59 of them, which I think is pretty damn good.
00:12:35
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That's pretty damn good. But there were several that I thought they considered Disney animated features that they don't. And then there were some that everyone forgot, like from the 40s, like Melody Time. and And The Reluctant Dragon, which is mostly live action, but for whatever reason, they consider it a Disney animated feature, whereas other things that are- Oh, are talking about- They don't?
00:12:56
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It's the, like, the- Not the Reluctant Dragon. It's like the something dragon. the No, no. Pete's Dragon is from the 70s. Pete's Dragon. And the Reluctant Dragon is from the 40s.
00:13:07
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And it's different. But it is also a live action movie with animated elements. But for some reason, they consider that a Disney animated feature. But like Mary Poppins is not. And some other.
00:13:19
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Yeah, it's weird. um But anyway, this one is the 50th one.
00:13:28
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And this is like, I mean, the Princess and the Frog really started it, but this was the huge hit, both critically and commercially, that kind of brought in the Disney second renaissance or what they call the Disney revival.
00:13:42
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Because the Disney renaissance was 1989 to 1999. And after that, there was yet another fallow period where Disney just couldn't get a hit in their animation department. And they almost went under Again, like luckily they had Pixar making, you know, huge movies that they owned, but they were not making them themselves. And Disney nearly closed its animation department completely until 2009 when The Princess and the Frog came out, followed by Tangled in 2010 and of course Frozen in 2013. Each one bigger hit than the one before.
00:14:22
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um Another interesting thing is this movie, is ah this movie cost $250 million dollars to make over the course of six years. Which makes it the most expensive animated movie ever made.
00:14:37
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Are you serious? This? still to the Still to this day, yes. and Not Frozen. teen No, it's the 16th most expensive movie ever made, period.
00:14:49
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What did they spend it on? Chameleons? No, and... the The animation, I guess, was just crazy expensive because it is, aside from the characters, it's beautiful. Like the characters are kind of have that dumb Disney like plastic kind of look that I don't care for that became like the Disney brand for like what humans look like.
00:15:12
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yeah But the, yeah, the the environments, the backgrounds, the the textures, all of that is, it's just, it's beautiful. um yeah I guess the hair was really hard to animate because like it's in almost every scene. How is the hair harder to animate than um Aladdin's magic rug?
00:15:33
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Because that's the same concept, right? It's the The rug is like, it's a it's a drawing. you know First of all, that's two d you know Someone just drew the rug. And in this, they have to individually, like, thousands of hairs that are all... like I don't know how animation works. i'm the wrong person to ask. This not a research podcast.
00:15:58
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is not a research podcast. anyway so uh so yeah that's interesting um it is yeah the 16th most expensive movie ever made of which almost all of them on the on the top like 20 are almost all disney movies oh really oh didn't know that the top eight most expensive movies ever made are all disney yeah isn't avatar the most expensive movie ever made not even in the top uh 20 really not anymore yeah um Jesus. It's all Star Wars and Marvel movies. The most expensive movie ever made is Star Wars The Force Awakens.
00:16:33
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Okay. And it costs like half a billion dollars, which is... Jesus fucking Christ. That's insane. Insane. Yeah. um Anyway, so this movie is directed by Nathan Greeneau and by Byron Howard. And if you're aware of how these disney the Disney and Pixar kind of...
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team, there' there's almost usually two directors. Usually um in recent years, in the past 20 years or so, Disney and Pixar have both kind of used the model where one of those people is the main director and one of them is the co-director and they're credited that way.
00:17:05
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And the co-director is someone that is kind of second build and second in command. And then that is like, when the movie is successful, that person gets their own movie later is how is how it works. Oh.
00:17:20
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um ah Jennifer Lee Jennifer is that her name name it Jennifer Lee who directed Frozen I believe operated the same way yes yes yes she's the she's now the CCO of Disney um Grena Nathan Grenault this is basically his only credit he's got some shorts and the other the Tangled short film and then he moved on to a as a creative executive into Disney um And then the co-director is Byron Howard, who did Bolt and went on to do Zootopia and Encanto. And he's like, you know, still making Disney movies.
00:18:00
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He's pumping them out. And it's also rare because this only has one credited screenwriter. Most Disney animated movies have about, you know, 10. ah um as Yeah, they have like a thousand.
00:18:11
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And they're all like adapted from fairy tales. So like the story is already there. Yeah, exactly. This is obviously, you know, based on the it's got the Brothers Grimm as, you know, credited Story Buy. And then Dan Fogelman is the only credited screenwriter who is mostly a ah TV and and movie writer. He wrote Crazy Stupid Love, Galavant, the TV show, and This Is Us. I love Galavant.
00:18:39
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I'm not going to lie. I love Galavant. yeah Go watch Galavant. I loved it. I loved it. I loved it. so good um and then music by alan menken who yeah but obviously is super famous for little shop of horrors and the little mermaid and beauty and the beast and aladdin all with howard disney royalty who who died um and the lyrics for this are done by glenn slater who did lyrics for
00:19:10
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Love Never Dies. yeah Oh, yeah. um The Sister Act musical with Alan Minkin and School of Rock. With Andrew Lloyd Webber.
00:19:22
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He did the additional Little Mermaid lyrics when Little Mermaid went to Broadway. Oh, nice. Nice, nice, nice. Because howard Howard Ashman was dead, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
00:19:33
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Yeah, so Tangled. Yeah, Tangled. Who knew? Katie knew so much about how Disney movies got made.
Disney Trivia and Personal Stories
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i'm not a disney adult no you're not which is why it's super surprising that you know all of these like facts where i'm just like la la la alan minkin ignore the poster of uncle scrooge behind me i'm not a disney adult that's just a cool poster i didn't even register it as uncle scrooge
00:20:04
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Um, that's a comic book thing. It's a whole different thing. We'll talk about it in another episode. When we get to Scrooge McDuck. I don't know. who christmas scar one day Maybe we'll do a Christmas Carol.
00:20:17
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I mean, mupp I can talk about Scrooge McDuck for, for any reason. Don't get me started.
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Scrooge McDuck. Um,
00:20:32
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gold So So we love a good Tangled. What's your history with this movie, Katie? um ah I don't think I really have one. I saw it in theaters when it came out.
00:20:43
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um Yeah, I thought it was good. Okay, well, let me let me reel you back in for my history. Here we go, baby. ah This came out when I'm, not to age myself, when I was in college.
00:20:56
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And I'm a theater nerd and also just love musicals and I love Disney music. And ah when I'm in the mood for it, sometimes I listen to it too much that I stick in myself of it.
00:21:09
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um You know, kind of like chocolate. ah You can eat too much and get ill. um You can listen to too much Disney and get sick of So Tangled came out. I don't even think I saw it in theaters.
00:21:19
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I think I saw Mandy Moore and Zachary Levi perform. I saw the light on the Oscars and then I was in love and then I eventually watched the movie and was even more in love and weirdly turned on by Flynn Rider.
00:21:33
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um and i love this movie. Yeah. He's one of those animated characters. Him and like Aladdin and like Hercules. And like... And Robin Hood.
00:21:46
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Robin Hood. Yeah. It's in that genre of animated hotties. Should they come to life, I definitely fuck. And it's not weird. Because I'm not the only one. right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. um What's his name from Zootopia also? Jason Baker's character.
00:22:02
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Exactly. fox. Something about a fox, man. Right?
00:22:08
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Is it because they're so sneaky? ah Yeah, I think it's because they're they're like, it's it's the it's the scoundrel. I mean, you and I, we've talked about this. We're both attracted to scoundrels. That's definitely my type. Because we can change them. We can change them.
00:22:24
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don't even have to change them. Let's go a crime spree. Come on. Right? Or like, they'll just change by loving us. Like Flynn does. That's true. That's true. Or sorry, Eugene.
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I should
Rapunzel's Hair and Beauty Standards
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appropriately name him. Eugene. um yeah i like flynn better i do too i love that they were like we're his actual name is gonna be eugene and it's gonna really humble him yeah which makes sense yeah yeah it makes sense what is the what is the what's the woman's version women does the other name other nerdy names for women like karen like is karen if Karen is not a nerd, though. Karen is ah is a bitch. No.
00:23:07
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What about, like, I guess it's, like, all personal preference. Like, if you knew someone that was super nerdy in school, like, I would think Amanda is a nerd. Yeah, but I don't have that.
00:23:19
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I think Amanda's, like, a regular name. Because like Eugene and like Mortimer and there's like these male names that are that yeah just by by virtue of the way they sound make you think of a certain type of... Oh, Gladys.
00:23:38
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Gladys is good. Well, cloud yeah. Gladys makes me think of an old woman though. See, I think it's anything that like sounds like an old lady. Yeah. So Gladys or... um gertrude gertrude
00:23:55
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one of those interesting thought experiment yeah think about it let us know listeners isn't it curious that we can't think of a name to make a woman like nerdy but we can think of several for men and all of the ones that might make them nerdy just makes them old and unattractive
00:24:14
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Who are waiting there's There's ah ugly women names, but there's not like nerdy women names. That's that's such a that's so fucking sexist. That's awful. That's so fucking can test sexist. Similarly to this film.
00:24:27
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little sexist. Yeah. um I mean, I think 30 Rock makes a really good point in that whenever Rapunzel's hair gets cut, it turns brown.
00:24:37
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What's up with that? question 100 100 and that thought has never left me but i still love this d i the thing is like they they try to play it off because it's like a drop of the sun and fell from the sky and it created this magic flower and the magic flower had the ability to heal people and there is this horrible woman named gothel who's hundreds of years old who has been using the power of this flower to keep herself young yeah And then the queen, who's pregnant, is ill.
00:25:11
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And they're like, oh, there's only this flower that can save her. So the soldiers go and dig up the flower where it belonged to the people. And they use it up to save the richest person in the land. Who probably has...
00:25:28
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so has access to all the best physicians in the land like where are these doctors at maybe the queen should have died you know maybe she deserved to die yeah um we don't know because they they use up the flower to heal her and make her drink it it passes into her daughter in utero yeah and it goes into her hair Because her parents are both both have brown hair, and but she's blonde because the sun is in her hair.
00:26:00
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Yeah, the sun the magic of the sun is in her hair. That's the idea that that why she's she's blonde. and Yeah, it and is why she can never cut it. Blonde girls are pretty in magic, and if you lose your magic, your hair turns brown and ugly.
00:26:16
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yeah this is essentially... essentially This is the animated version of the Sidney Sweeney American Eagle jeans app. I would not go that far.
00:26:30
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That is some Nazi shit. That is some Nazi shit. That's absolute bullshit. um I cannot believe that multiple people looked at that and were like, yeah, that's fine.
00:26:42
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Yeah, this is fine. Yeah. Don't worry about it. You know, jeans and jeans. It's the same word, but it's spelled differently. We can use that for a jeans And one of them is not associated with fucking genocide all over the world.
00:26:57
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It'll be fine. Yeah. what um But anyway. She should fire her agent. She should. Well, unless she like did it and was like, no, I have to do this for the people.
00:27:13
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In which case. I mean, maybe. Yeah, it's possible. yeah I don't don't know get the Nazi vibe from her, but it's certainly possible. We don't know. We don't know.
00:27:24
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She's from what, Florida? Oh, God, is she? I don't know where Sydney Sweeney is She's from the southern state. Oh, my God. I just Googled Sydney Sweeney and it's all Jean stuff. This is going to date this episode. I mean, actually, we're not that far ahead right now.
00:27:38
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Yeah. ah No, she's from Spokane, Washington. oh That is the opposite of South. It is the dead opposite. But her parents are Trumpers. She was raised in the Idaho Panhandle. Well, of course they are. mean, she probably is too.
00:27:57
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Yeah, I remember the thing. I don't think it was her one of her parents. it was It was another relative had the hat on in that photo. Well, she went to a Trump, yeah, a birthday party and it was like Trump themed or something.
00:28:09
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Yeah. I don't know. I definitely don't follow celebrity gossip. She bought a home in the Florida Keys for $13 million. dollars Is that what you were thinking of? No, I think I just heard Trump and I thought Florida.
00:28:22
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yeah that's fair. Um, well, um, not to give a beautiful person the benefit of the doubt, but we really don't know. So let's try not to commit any, uh, commit any libel. Uh, that's very true.
00:28:36
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this But we do know, we do, however, know one of the stars of this movie, unfortunately, is a terrible person, which it is my very first note.
Zachary Levi's Impact on Tangled
00:28:46
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It knowing about Zachary Levi ruins this now.
00:28:51
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Yeah, it's I mean, like lots of things are ruined. um yeah Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. Second season. Chuck. Chuck.
00:29:03
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um What did he do on Broadway? It was. She loves me. She did she loves me. Yeah, but Laura Benanti's come out and been like, I fucking hated that guy. I saw that. Yeah. It's like everybody, the whole cast hated him and he would try to like do stuff that nobody wants. Yeah. That's pretty great. Yeah.
00:29:20
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Yeah. i love I mean, the thing is like he had a superhero movie that was pretty good and everyone liked, and then the sequel was a disaster. And then he lost his mind on the internet about it yeah and then you decided to just go full fascist Yeah, um which is like, it's good to know that these people are so vulnerable um because like the slightest inconvenience and they're going to show you who they really are.
00:29:45
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So, yeah, exactly. Because he was like he was one of those like nerd hot guys from the 2010s. And like, that's why I kept tuning into Chuck. za like i fra Like he's secretly like super Christian and conservative. Like, yeah, yeah, exactly. And that and that ruins Guardians of the Galaxy. Yeah.
00:30:06
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Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, it is what it is. We can't change people. We can only try to disassociate their voice acting. Yeah. And, you know, he's probably going to catch polio or something because he doesn't believe in vaccines. Yeah.
00:30:23
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Yeah. So um good for him. Yeah, Charlie didn't know any of this about Zachary Levi when we started the movie. And then he goes, oh, yeah, isn't Chuck in it? And I was like, yeah. And he goes, why are you saying it like that? Because we watched Chuck together. And um I was like, oh, honey, you don't know. And then I told him. And then he immediately lost interest in the film.
00:30:45
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He immediately went on his phone, Googled Zach Levi, and then immediately lost interest in the film. And I had to keep telling him, put your phone down, Charles. Yeah. It is, it's a lot easier for a voice role to disassociate ah the yeah the the person from it. It's going to be a lot harder to rewatch the second season of Marvelous Mrs. Maisel.
00:31:05
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Yeah. Yeah. Because he's so charming in that too. oh He is. It's very, very disheartening. um So yeah, so we start off in a magical world. Katie sort of gave us our um a prologue about how the magic got into Rapunzel.
00:31:23
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um And ah is it Gertrude? No, not Gertrude. Grottle? Mother Grottle? Gothel. Gothel. Mother Gothel. She's played by ah Broadway star Donna Murphy, who I know from the 1999-2000 classic Center Stage. Yeah.
00:31:41
Speaker
classic senatorage um but others might know as in the revival of chicago um in a thousand other broadway plays she's also in isn't she also in the revival of chicago who is she in the revival of chicago
00:32:00
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no no i'm getting her mixed up with bb newworth didn't say that. That was Bebe Neuwirth as, ah um what's her name? um Donna Murphy was in, um she's won two Tonys for Best Actor, one for The King and I and one for Passion, both in the 90s.
00:32:18
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Yep. And she's, you know, she did Wonderful. That's what she was in Wonderful Town. did. She was Dr. Octopus's wife in Spider-Man 2. Yeah.
00:32:33
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She was in Shakespeare in the Parks, Into the Woods. She was the witch. Sure. Believe it or not. um And then she was in Hello, Dolly.
00:32:47
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And with Bette Midler in 2017. And she's done a bunch of TV on New York based because you can bet that she lives in New York. And ah oh, love music. That's what I remember her from.
00:33:01
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I remember them performing. it was her and um the guy, the bald guy who's on Broadway a lot. And they were in Love Music.
00:33:12
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Michael Cerveris? Yeah, Michael Cerveris. And I remember watching the Tony Awards one year and watching that and being like, wow that seems like a real bummer. That's not going to win any awards. And then swept. Oh.
00:33:25
Speaker
I'm not familiar with that show.
Mother Gothel's Manipulation Tactics
00:33:27
Speaker
It's about the Holocaust. Yeah. Oh, fun. Yeah. ah Super fun. So she is she's the villain of the piece. Yep, she's the villain of the piece. She kidnapped Rapunzel when she was like a toddler.
00:33:45
Speaker
um because she needs her hair to keep her young like and how often does this bitch need to like re-up her aging thing I mean it doesn't really say but she goes away and she comes back a lot so like she doesn't have to be every day because she goes on these little journeys and then she comes back and then she's like Rapunzel sing for me and let me brush your hair because I guess you also have to be touching the hair for it to work and you have to sing there's a lot of like factors that have to go into this yeah um yeah and uh and does is it Rapunzel's the only one that's able to sing or can either of you sing anybody can sing yeah because anybody can sing to you yeah yeah yeah um but yeah and so she she's caged up Rapunzel and she's sort of like taught her that everyone outside is terrible and don't go outside it's like the movie dog tooth in that way
00:34:40
Speaker
Yes, it's just like Dogtooth. I mean, kind of. and Have you seen Dogtooth? No, but I know the gist. It's really good.
00:34:52
Speaker
I've heard it's really good. Yeah, it's on my It's a very upsetting movie. Yeah, it's for listeners who might not know, it's one of Yorgos Lanthimos's, I think it's his second movie. It's one of his earlier movies. Yeah,
00:35:07
Speaker
it's in ah Greek. Yeah. Yeah, it's real messed up. It's like all of his films real messed up. But like a little fun.
00:35:18
Speaker
Yeah. Um, that's his vibe. Uh, but yeah, so Rapunzel, she busies her day. we get our first song, which is how will my life begin? it is the morning of her 18th birthday. Cause if we've got a girl that's going to be, I mean, the her 18th birthday.
00:35:38
Speaker
I did appreciate them aging her up a bit than previous Disney princesses. Cause, uh, literal children. Yeah. Where they're like, cause Snow White's supposed to be what? 14.
00:35:51
Speaker
that's crazy yeah it's real gross um but i appreciated the aging her up if she's gonna fall in love let's prove that she is of the age of consent yes yeah because these two bang like we should say like yeah Oh, yeah.
00:36:10
Speaker
I mean, that's actually an excellent segue for the first of Emma's Fun Facts. Emma's Fun Facts. This is the first animated Disney princess, quote unquote, film to be ah rated PG and not G. Well, it's really fucked up. I mean, like there's a stabbing in it. Like it's um it's pretty violent for a Disney. But we don't see blood.
00:36:33
Speaker
Yes, we do. didn't see blood. Yes. it Do we see blood? Yeah, when she's stabbed, he's stabbed, she like pulls his hands away and sees that all the blood is coming out of him.
00:36:45
Speaker
See, I was just paying attention because when Gothel stabs him, the knife comes away clean. And I was like, well, because we're in a kid's film. We can't show blood on the knife. Yeah, yeah. No, no, they show it on his on his his jacket. Body.
00:36:58
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, gotcha. Yeah, it's real dark. um But, you know, they had to take some risks. They had to... ah They had to shoot their shot.
00:37:09
Speaker
They were spending so much money, they might as well. Yeah, I mean, $250 million. dollars Right. Jesus fucking Christ. um I actually found out where that that money may have gone to, um which is the second of Emma's fun facts. Emma's fun facts.
00:37:26
Speaker
um So there's a kingdom dance scene um later on in the movie when they finally get to the kingdom. Do you want to guess how how many people are present in this animated dance scene where they had control over how many people?
00:37:39
Speaker
They had control. 3,000. 3,000 individual characters. It is the largest crowd scene. Well, yeah, that that's that yeah that's that's probably where all the money went. Yeah, because um it's not because I remember like in um The Lord of the Rings where they have those huge crowds of like orcs and everything.
00:38:00
Speaker
They talk about how they they they just kind of like copy and pasted them. And yeah all they've got AI that's making them do different things, but they're not like yeah individual like creatures yet.
00:38:11
Speaker
Yeah, because like nobody has time to look at all like thousands of them. Disney adults do. I mean, you would think Lord of the Rings nerds would too, but I guess like you know they just didn't have the money at New Line and they did at Disney.
00:38:26
Speaker
Disney's got those dolla dolla bills. um Yeah, again, the top eight highest grossing movies of all time are all Disney. Yeah. Yeah. Jesus fucking Christ.
00:38:37
Speaker
They did not need 3000 individual characters, but, um, but Hey, shoot your shot, man, I guess. Uh, but yeah, so Rapunzel played by the fabulous Mandy Moore, who's also going for Dan Vogelman's next project.
00:38:54
Speaker
Um, oh yeah this this is us. Yeah, yeah. She is ah a gem. She is a star. I fucking love Mandy Moore. um I was obsessed with her as a pop star. I'm obsessed with her as an actor.
00:39:07
Speaker
ah She just seems like a genuine nice person. And I'm so sorry, Mandy, that you had to work with Zach. But you were in different booths. Thank God. I mean, yeah, i don't know. They could have recorded together. Sometimes they do that, but we don't know. Yeah, we don't know. It's not a research process.
00:39:21
Speaker
Exactly. This isn't a research podcast. I'm sure some Disney adult out there knows. had to perform together at the Oscars at the very least. Yeah, they did. They did. Which is where I'm not to win the award.
00:39:33
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. But anyways, we get the day before Rapunzel's 18th birthday and she's singing about all the stuff she does to fill
Rapunzel's Escape Plan
00:39:44
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her time. She's got her best friend who is a chameleon.
00:39:49
Speaker
No, a chameleon. It's chameleon? Yeah. He's a chameleon. um He's a chameleon named Pascal. Pascal. The cutest.
00:40:01
Speaker
The cutest. Maybe my favorite Disney animal companion from any movie. Like, just adorable. Like, his little, like, scrappy personality, too. He's just, he's the best. I love Pascal. He's just always there, and he's, like, always willing to, or he always likes to, you know, because he's a chameleon.
00:40:18
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Chameleon in to his surroundings when he gets embarrassed. Yeah. ah
00:40:23
Speaker
ah He doesn't talk, but he does like he has a lot of a lot of personality in his actions. He's got a lot of personality. He does. He does. He's got a lot of personality.
00:40:34
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um And so she every single year on Rapunzel's birthday, there are these magical lights that happen outside her window that she sees. And she wants to go see them in um like up close because it's her birthday and she's ah now an adult. And so she wants to ask mother, mother, if she can leave ah to go see her, if mother can take her to these lanterns. And so she asks mother and mother says, hell no.
00:41:03
Speaker
yeah Now we already know because of the prologue that these are lann these are these are paper lanterns that the the kingdom releases in honor of the princess who was kidnapped and never found.
00:41:15
Speaker
Yes. So we as the audience know what the the significance of the lanterns, but she doesn't. She doesn't even know that they're lanterns. She can just see the light. She just thinks that they're magical lights, you know, magic lights.
00:41:27
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um And so um Mother has a song called Mother Knows Best, which is fabulous and fantastic. And, you know, just very, very very master of the house.
00:41:40
Speaker
Yeah, very master of the house. e um I was going to say very drag queen coded almost like very similarly to Ursula's song.
00:41:52
Speaker
Yeah. Because she was actually modeled after a drag queen, I believe. She is. She's modeled after Divine, yeah. Yeah. So this this is very much of that sort of, like, vibe.
00:42:03
Speaker
And Rapunzel's all It's villain yeah. Yeah, it's a villain song. It's fun. It's upbeat. Keep it light. Keep it happy. Keep it gay. It's campy. Like, be prepared. You know, like, all the villain songs have got, like, the a gayness to them.
00:42:16
Speaker
Exactly. Exactly. Which is why um they are all gay. Yeah. let Let the villains be them. Let them be them. and They love Halloween. They come out at Halloween during Mickey's haunted adventure.
00:42:30
Speaker
um They come out. Mickey's not so scary Halloween, I think is what you're looking for. Yeah, exactly. And they come out and they sing and they dance and they've got their little songs. And I mean, Jafar's absolutely fabulous like facial hair and outfits.
00:42:47
Speaker
You can't say that man is not gay. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, when we do Aladdin, because we will be doing several of these. I don't see how Aladdin is a rom-com, but I... Aladdin is totally a rom-com!
00:43:02
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all right, all right.
00:43:05
Speaker
Oh, come on. They've got a meet cute. They've got all the things. There's a go get your girl speech given by Robin Williams.
00:43:18
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. But, ah you know, just like Emma, this podcast can only handle so much Disney at a time. Yes, exactly. Exactly. It'll be a year before we do another Disney animated movie. yeah Yeah. um So yeah, so then Rapunzel's like, hey, my mama, you want to go um get me some, go on a trip to get me some things that I like?
00:43:43
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She tells her there's no way I'm going to take you to the lanterns. Fuck you, goodbye. And she leaves. And Flynn Rider, is being chased across the the kingdom by the guards for stealing something, which you find out is the crown,
00:43:59
Speaker
the fucking crown well it's not a good piece crown yeah yeah and he um he finds his way to the tower which the guards never found in the 18 years they've been looking for the princess but whatever yeah whatever he finds the tower he climbs it up fairly climbs up it fairly easily without her hair yeah and yeah um she continues to knock him out probably giving him multiple concussions With a frying pan.
00:44:30
Speaker
A cast iron frying pan. ah fucking cast iron frying pan. My favorite sequence in the movie um where she continues to beat the shit out of him, ah ties him up with her hair, questions him Has him awakened by Pascal sticking his tongue in his ear.
00:44:51
Speaker
yeah The little bit where Pascal sticks his tongue in his ear, but Flynn wakes up, and then Pascal is surprised and drops off of his shoulder. I've watched a million times, just over and over and over again. It's so fucking funny.
00:45:06
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That little lizard's eyes. That little lizard so sweet.
00:45:14
Speaker
so fucking cute um but he tries to flirt his way out of it yeah he tries to to smolder um but she breaks his smolder um yeah she just just really does a lot of physical damage to him and yeah um she tells him by the end of this movie um mean he's got cte for sure yeah oh for sure She tells him, um and then she, well, oh that you so show this is before she has a conversation with him. She locks him in the cabinet because Gothel comes back.
00:45:45
Speaker
And then, like, she plays it cool. And, you know, Gothel, you know, says, let's meet we're going to make dinner. And she goes, you know what I want for my birthday, for real? I want you to go get me those paints that you've got these shells that are three yeah days away.
00:45:59
Speaker
So now she's got plan. She gets Gothel out of her hair. And then she tells Flynn, If you take me to see the lights, I will give you your satchel back that has the crown in it.
00:46:13
Speaker
Yeah. Because I've hidden it where you'll never find it. He goes, it's in that pot. And then she knocks him out again. Hides it again. she goes, okay, now you'll never find it.
00:46:25
Speaker
Take me to the lights and then take me back. And then I'll give you the crown. Because she leaves it there. Yeah. um And he ah reluctantly agrees, but he's trying to ditch her because he doesn't want to go back to the kingdom because he's wanted by the king's guard.
00:46:40
Speaker
And there's wanted posters of him all over the kingdom. And the running joke is that they just can't get his nose right. So his nose is always like nose big or like crooked or off.
00:46:51
Speaker
And he had two accomplices who are twins, I think. Yeah, the Stabbington brothers. Yeah, which are voiced by Ron Perlman. ah They are, yeah. The thugs in this movie are, it's is is it's ah is a um is a big bunch. like they um Oh, yeah. Let's see here. it's um yeah So you've got Ron Perlman, M.C. Ganey, Jeffrey Tambor, Brad Garrett, Paul F. Tompkins, and Richard Keel, who's Jaws from the old James Bond movies.
00:47:22
Speaker
those are the Those are the guys in the Tavern and in the Stabbington Brothers. um It's... A murderer's row of like weird old guy um character actors.
00:47:35
Speaker
Yeah. And then they all get a song, which is fabulous. um But first Rapunzel has to leave the the castle and so, or the tower. And so she gets out and she falls down. She touches, she touches grass for the first time with her toes, which must be a a weird sensation. Yeah.
00:47:53
Speaker
She is barefoot and has 70 feet of hair going through the forest in this movie, which just seems like a terrible combination. And she doesn't put it up until like two thirds of the way in when those kids braid her hair.
00:48:07
Speaker
Yeah. And it looks beautiful. But also, like, how did they get all of that in there? I don't know. I don't question. It is magic. I guess it magically doesn't tangle, which is, you know, um the name of the movie. So...
00:48:20
Speaker
Yeah, well, Charlie actually had really good question because he was like, so you can cut off her hair, obviously, because that's established in the prologue. um But like she uses it ah for Mother Gothel to like climb all the time.
00:48:34
Speaker
Does it not break? Is it like super dirty, super duper sturdy
Magical Properties of Rapunzel's Hair
00:48:38
Speaker
hair? And I was like, it's gotta be right. And he was like, I think it's magically strong also. Yeah. Because she can like lift people with it.
00:48:47
Speaker
And it also grows way faster. you you Like, not in 18 years, you couldn't grow your hair to be anywhere near that long. I mean, not not in a lifetime could you grow your hair to be 70 feet long. But, like, even in 18 years, your hair wouldn't... Well, I'm just saying, in 18 years, your hair wouldn't touch the ground.
00:49:04
Speaker
You know, like, it just doesn't grow that fast. Yeah. And ah her hair is, like, 70 feet tall. 70 feet tall? 70 feet long. And also, it's kind of... Anna... Anna... It has a personality.
00:49:17
Speaker
Anthropomorphic? Anthropomorphic. It's anthropomorphic. It can like do stuff. um Which like. I mean it's not alive. We shouldn't say that. like it's It seems alive sometimes. It's like a third arm.
00:49:35
Speaker
Not really. can hold stuff. At one point it holds the cast iron.
00:49:45
Speaker
Does it? I'm pretty sure it does. Like she has control of it. She's using her hair. i mean, I mean, you could be right. I maybe I didn't notice that.
00:49:58
Speaker
I mean, that doesn't happen a lot, I guess. No, it doesn't happen a lot because we have ah so many fun side characters. We don't need her hair to be a side character. um So just forget about it, audience.
00:50:09
Speaker
And just enjoy, enjoy the journey. So she lands on the ground for the first time. And she has the best, most realistic sort of um ah coming to of disobeying your parents for the first time, ah which is ah you're so excited and you're like, wow, I'm so excited for this. And then you're like, oh, my God, I'm a terrible person. I'm a horrible person. I'm a horrible child.
00:50:33
Speaker
Oh my God, I love this. Oh my God, this is going amazing. Oh my God, what did I do? Why? And it goes on for like five minutes. It's great. It's one of my favorite scenes in the entire movie. It's very funny. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That combination of elation and guilt.
00:50:47
Speaker
Yes. One right after the other repeating is is very realistic. Yeah. Because again, her mother is like, it's a very specific type of abuse. Like her mother is like...
00:50:58
Speaker
you know, look in the mirror. I see such a strong, confident young woman. and you're there too. I'm just kidding. I love you. Like it's very like, and I mean, she, she obviously gaslights her and makes her think that she's,
00:51:13
Speaker
you know, crazy and tells her all these things that aren't true about the outside world. But, yeah you know, specifically that kind of like, I'm going to constantly belittle and put you down, but then just yeah say I'm kidding and and that I love you very much. And like you're like, she's in this one is her most prized possession. There's a very specific kind of like emotional abuse that's that's depicted here. That's not like the common you know, parental abuse you see in a, in a children's movie generally, which is like, you know, children's movies are full of parental abuse, just not this kind.
00:51:46
Speaker
Yeah. This is very specific and also very realistic because it does happen. Um, oh yeah and I think that's sort of like, it is played for laughs a lot of the time, but like also if you're in that sort of mother daughter relationship, I'm sure is very heartbreaking to watch as a child. If your mom is, you're like, Oh, my mom's like mother Gothel.
00:52:08
Speaker
She also puts me down and then says she's kidding. Yeah. Donna, I'm not talking about you, Donna. Donna, you were a fabulous mother. i love you. you're great.
00:52:21
Speaker
It's also very like, um it's a little stage mommy, you know, it's very much like. Oh, it's very stage mommy. You are the, you know, you are a possession. You are, you, I care about you in the reflect, in the, in the, to the extent that it reflects upon me because you are an extension of me, you know?
00:52:39
Speaker
Yeah. You are my meal ticket. You are how I get what I want. And I, at the end of the day, know that I am more important than you, but you are going to get me to those means.
00:52:50
Speaker
um but yeah so they are on their little journey and Flynn is like you know what I really gotta shake off this bitch and so he tries to intimidate her um by saying why don't we like stop for lunch at this little pub right here called like the fluffy duckling and she goes oh I love ducklings and um they go that I'm sorry the snuggly dunkling
00:53:16
Speaker
And it's a, I don't want to say a pirates pub because they're not pirates, but it's like. Some of them have hooks for hands, but yeah, it's a, it's a rough. It's yeah. It's a, it's a bar for ruffians and a bunch of scary dudes. And he's trying to scare her into going back home because he doesn't know that her mother like abuses her. He doesn't know anything yeah about any of this.
00:53:38
Speaker
He doesn't know anything. He just thinks that she's this crazy girl who wants to go to the thing. And it's just so sad that all she wants to do is see the lanterns. I know. She has no intention of leaving her abusive mother. She just wants to see the lanterns and is planning on coming back.
00:53:55
Speaker
Yeah. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. She plans on doing this all within the three days so that you know what mom doesn't know doesn't hurt her. um Yeah. And... and buddy uh but yeah so she goes and then um turns out all these ruffians have a little soft side they've got a little song to sing about it she's so charming that she like gets the whole bar on on her side and they sing i have a dream Yep.
00:54:27
Speaker
Which is fun. My dream is I just want to see the lights. And they're like, that's pretty sad. Yeah, they're like, I want to be a concert pianist with only one hand and a hook.
00:54:38
Speaker
And I want to be um a mime. The mime's their favorite. And Flynn Rider wants a bunch of money and everybody yeah gets what they want.
00:54:50
Speaker
You know, it's nice. Essentially, yeah. Essentially, everybody gets what they want. Then we have my other favorite character in this movie. The fantastic Maximus the horse.
00:55:06
Speaker
Which this is the first of Charlie's Corner. Charlie's Corner. Charlie's Corner. go not.
00:55:17
Speaker
Never gets old. You doing that. Yeah. So the only way that we could get Charlie back into this movie after breaking the news about Zach Levi to him was any Maximus the horse was on this on screen.
00:55:33
Speaker
Don't blame him. Total agreement. Charlie's favorite character was Maximus. And so much so that like every single time Maximus did something, Charlie was like super excited and then he would completely lose interest in the movie. He was like a child. Like it was it was also so stereotypical that Charlie's favorite character was the rule following horse.
00:55:56
Speaker
The rule following horse. Yeah, that's true. he is the lawful good horse in this movie. Yes. He just wants to follow all the rules.
00:56:08
Speaker
It's he's very funny. It's a it's a horse. And like in a lot of animated movies, the horse is a dog, basically. Yeah. um But he he has this great physicality. He's animated so beautifully. He's just like very his facial expressions also are so funny. I just find Maximus very funny.
00:56:26
Speaker
It's very, very fun. And he is the, yeah, he's a member of the, like he lost his human early on in the chase and is now seemingly in charge of the hunt for Flynn Rider. So the horse and the guards get to the snuggly duckling and yeah all of the criminals help them escape through these tunnels.
00:56:46
Speaker
um And they get trapped in a cave. There's a big fight where Flynn fights Maximus. Maximus has a sword in his teeth and ah Flynn has the frying pan and he's like, man, frying pans are great weapons.
00:57:02
Speaker
Which is good for Disney's purposes because they're not, they're less they're less inherently violent than a sword. I mean, you can hit somebody with a frying pan and not kill them, you know? Yeah, and it's harder for a child, a young child to pick up said cast iron frying pan.
00:57:17
Speaker
Um, I guess, but I mean, you're more likely to have a cast iron frying pan in your house than a sword, so, you know. Well, yeah, but I mean, like, it's heavier. Have you ever held a cast iron frying pan?
00:57:27
Speaker
Have you ever sword? You ever held up? Sword is ah is heavier than a cast iron frying pan, 100%. can't follow you on this one, Emma.
00:57:41
Speaker
So agree to disagree, Katie. Okay. So...
00:57:47
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oh The yeah, they get into a fight. They get trapped in this cave. It's filling up with water and they're like, OK, we're going to die. I got to tell you, my name is not really Flynn. It's Eugene. Yeah.
00:57:59
Speaker
And then she tells him, hey, my hair is magic. It can help us get out of here ah because they can yeah see it glow. She sings a song so the hair will glow and they can see underwater to get out.
00:58:11
Speaker
um And he cuts himself and and she heals him and tells him all
Flynn's Sacrifice
00:58:16
Speaker
about her hair. And then he tells her about growing up in an orphanage. And like there was this hero in a book named Flynn Rider that he named himself after because he wanted to be like him. And she's like, was he a thief? And he's like, well, no.
00:58:28
Speaker
No, he was like a he was like a hero and everybody like cheered him on. But then, you know, the older that you get, you learn that's not really going to make you money. That's not really going to solve your problems. Money solves problems. And that Flynn Rider was generationally wealthy. And he didn't have that. So he's got to steal, which true. didn't live a Northridge.
00:58:46
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. um ah Yeah. And they're bonding. And then they get to. then Mother Gothel comes. Then Mother Gothel comes. She finds the Stabbington brothers and tells them, I'm going to set you up with a deal. I'll get you the crown. You can have the crown.
00:59:02
Speaker
oh yeah. Because she went back to the tower, found found the crown, realized, found the the wanted poster for Flynn Rider and realized what's going on. Caught up to them somehow. yeah and um gives the crown of the stabbing brother stabbington brothers just goes or you can give it back to me and i can give you something much better um and they're like okay deal and so she goes and finds rapunzel while flynn is sleeping and says um here's the crown it's like okay fine and they sing a reprise of mother knows best where she really gives her the fucking guilt trip um yeah and bitch i hate mother gotha so much she really psychologically tortures this girl yeah she's like take the crown
00:59:43
Speaker
Give it to him and then see what happens. See if he actually cares about you or if he's just in this for the crown. And she's like, well, fine, I will. Yeah. And then they go to the this town.
00:59:56
Speaker
They go to Corona, which... Very much was made in the spring of 2020 about the name of the town in Tangled being Corona. The kingdom and in ah Tangled being called Corona.
01:00:08
Speaker
had no idea was called Corona. Like the drop of the that's the flower. then she, the symbol of the city is the sun. And then there's all that she's been painting the the city's flag and all of her paintings in the tower. whole life and done Because it was on her little, like little windmill, baby windmill, whatever.
01:00:29
Speaker
Mobile. Yeah. Yeah. a Baby windmill. Or baby windmill. um Yeah. they get to the city and they find some little adorable ginger girls to braid her hair.
01:00:43
Speaker
And, um oh, they run into Maximus. Yeah. yeah Yeah, well, they get matt maxson they play jump rope yeah they get Maximus um on their side ah because Rapunzel can charm literally everyone. She's just so nice.
01:01:00
Speaker
You can't say no to her. She's the sweetest. Yeah. She gives him an apple. Yeah. And he's like, okay, very well. I'll give you 24 hours. She's like, it's my birthday.
01:01:14
Speaker
You can't write my birthday, Max. They go into the city and have a lovely day together. and And they, he's like, I'm going to make this special for you because you wanted to see the lanterns. I'll show you the lanterns. And so they get on a boat and they go out into the middle of the, of the lake and they sing song. I see the light, which is really beautiful. It's the best fucking song.
01:01:41
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And I cry every single time. oh it's so beautiful. It's it such a beautiful scene. Love And it starts in voiceover where they're like thinking it, but you hear them singing it. And then and when they start singing together, they start singing like the characters start singing to each other. It's really, it's really nice.
01:01:58
Speaker
It's so nice and so sweet. And he says, oh, and she's like, why are we out in the light and on the lake? We're going miss the lantern. And he goes, I want you to have the best seat in the house. yeah Yeah. Because he's starting to think her instead of himself.
01:02:14
Speaker
She's changing him. Yeah. Yeah. She gives him the crown and he is like, okay, thank you. But like, that's not the most important thing right now. yeah And they're about to kiss, but then he sees the Stabbington brothers on the shore and he's like, okay, let me finish this.
01:02:32
Speaker
He gets the crown. He's like, I'll be right back. He plans on giving them the crown. He apologizes to them. Oh yeah. Cause he screwed them over. They were stealing the crown together. and then he ah he, had them get him up a cliff and said, I'll, I'll help you up.
01:02:46
Speaker
give me the crown. And then he took the crown. was like, see ya. So he double crossed them. That's why they're mad at him. Yeah. He's like, here, take the crown. I don't care. um but then they jump him.
01:02:57
Speaker
Yeah. And, uh, then they go to tie up Rapunzel and she's like, where's Flynn? And she's like, he left. He goes, he wouldn't leave without me. And he goes, look, and they tied him to the, the wheel of a ship and have him, it goes crowd across the water. It looks like he's leaving, but he's not.
01:03:13
Speaker
But he's not. He's unconscious. He's unconscious. Yeah. She thinks he abandoned her. they're going the the The Stabbington brothers think they're going to get Rapunzel's magic hair, but Gothel has set up all of this to make her look like a hero. She takes out the Stabbington brothers. Triple cross! Yeah.
01:03:32
Speaker
And is like, Rapunzel, no one cares about you but me. and ah You have to come back home with me. And she's like, you're right. And then she goes back home with Gothel. Her abuser.
01:03:44
Speaker
um and eugene is arrested yep because they put him on a boat to the castle yes but then the the pub guys and maximus break him out it's very sweet with maximus where he's on he jumps onto the back of him and he's like maximus and he's like i don't know how to thank you and max it's a it's very sweet scene between him and this horse right before they start jumping from rooftop to rooftop Yeah, and then it's a little bit, you know, unrealistic. But, like, it's just so sweet because Maximus is like, I'm on the side of love.
01:04:19
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, I think he knows that Flynn isn't really a bad guy. Yeah. Yeah, he's learned. He's learned. He's like, if Rapunzel can love him, then he's not really a bad guy.
01:04:30
Speaker
This is all bullshit. Exactly. um So all the all the all the bar guys come and bust him out of prison. And he is off to the tower where Rapunzel sees all of the sons in her old artwork and gets this. Oh, she also, she at the city, they found out she finds out that the lanterns are there for the missing princess.
01:04:49
Speaker
She sees... Like this mural of the princess when she's a little girl. She looks just like Rapunzel. Rapunzel's like, hey, that's and it's funny. that She has the same birthday as me and looks just like me and has the same color eyes. That's weird.
01:05:02
Speaker
It's crazy. um But when she sees all the suns in her art that she's made on the walls of her tower over the years, she gets this flashback to the mobile... from her bed as a as a toddler and she realizes like any human would actually have like what is your earliest memory because mine certainly is not any crib age well i think i mean she could be as old as like i don't think it was the i don't necessarily know if it was a crib she looked a little bit older than a crib i have memories from when i was three one or two
01:05:37
Speaker
For sure. Yeah, maybe. Maybe she was like i have memories from when I was three because I remember the house we lived in when we lived in Raleigh and we left there when I was three. So I know that it's at least because I remember building a snowman there and I remember the layout of the like townhouse we lived in in Raleigh.
01:05:55
Speaker
But um and I remember my mom was cutting my fingernails once and she cut my finger. um Oh, by mistake. And I remember. So i have memories of all of that. Yeah. maybe she was like three. um Because that was that sort of like threw me for a loop where i was like, no one remembers baby memories.
01:06:14
Speaker
You can't make memories as a baby. That's science. Yeah, yeah, yeah. um Well, it's magic hair also. So... um
01:06:24
Speaker
Flynn, so she confronts Gothel and she's like, you've been using me my whole life. You're not even my mom. Fuck you. Yep. And Gothel's like, you know, i you know, control you basically. You'll do whatever I say because nobody cares about you. And then Flynn gets there and um he ah is like trying, sees her and he's like, I have to talk to you. And then she realizes that she's tied, that Rapunzel's tied up.
01:06:50
Speaker
And he gets stabbed in the gut by Gothel. Yeah. just like But we don't see the blood on the knife. Getting stabbed in a Disney movie is still pretty violent. Like that's something. That's pretty violent. They usually have fall off a cliff.
01:07:03
Speaker
You know, they get trampled by a stampede. They, know, there's not direct violence. They magically explode. Yeah, they get, they eat a poison apple.
01:07:14
Speaker
um You know, lots of things that don't involve like physical violence. I mean, Ursula gets stabbed by the prow of a ship, actually. Come to think of it. That's actually true. But she gets stabbed in her giant magic form.
01:07:27
Speaker
That's true. She's not a person being stabbed. She's a monster being stabbed by the ah by the bow of a ship. So that makes it a little bit better. Because it's not like you're seeing a person actually It doesn't make little removed from violence, you know? It's a...
01:07:42
Speaker
it's a It's a vehicle versus a monster and not a person versus a person with a weapon in their hand. Exactly. So I guess it is. But they did that in this. They sure did. And she says, Gothel, um like, I'll stay with you forever. Just let me heal him. I promise. I'll never like I'll never try to leave. Just let me heal. Just let him survive and I'll do whatever you want. And so she lets her out.
01:08:06
Speaker
She wraps the hair around him and she starts to sing and he's like, I can't let you do this. I can't let you give up your life for me. So he cuts her hair off, meaning that Gothel won't the hair. And he he dies.
01:08:18
Speaker
Yeah, he dies. He dies. And then Gothel starts dies. And Gothel dies too. She starts aging rapidly because the hair is gone. Yeah, and that's what was keeping her alive, theoretically. Pascal trips her with the hair. Yes! Makes her fall out of the tower, ah but she turns to dust before she hits the ground. It's pretty effective, it's it's pretty effective yeah. Yeah, it's pretty great. um But yeah, and so Rapunzel's so upset. She's so sad.
01:08:47
Speaker
And um her hair has gone from beautiful and blonde to, oh, short and brown. you see Charlie? ah Yeah, I did.
01:09:00
Speaker
um um He gives her an incredible pixie cut with a piece of glass. Like he needs to go into, he needs to go into hairstyling. Clearly that's his calling.
01:09:11
Speaker
Like there's layers in there. Like she's got the, um Oh my god What's her name in twilight? The, um, not, Oh oh my God. but Ashley green, Ashley green's character in twilight. She's got that haircut.
01:09:26
Speaker
She's the one before the character that everybody tells me I am in twilight. Yeah. Oh, my God. Charles, stop being weird. Hi. Charlie's with me. Alice.
01:09:38
Speaker
Alice Cullen. Alice. She was my favorite character and um in the books. Yeah. i haven't read them, but when I take quizzes and people tell me that ah what character I am, it's always Alice. Apparently, she's a sweetheart.
01:09:53
Speaker
Yeah, she's a sweetheart. I'm also always Alice. That's me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And her boyfriend, she feels she can change. We'll do Twilight. That also sounds like me.
01:10:07
Speaker
We will have to do the Twilight trilogy. Quadrilogy. Charlie says, tell her to talk into the mic, not the screen. I am talking into the mic. it I can hear you fine.
01:10:18
Speaker
ah Don't worry. I'm telling him. um I will tell her no such thing.
01:10:27
Speaker
Oh, man. oh Charles. Yeah. So, okay. Yeah. so she's very upset and she starts singing again. Continue. Yep. She keeps, she starts singing again and crying, sing crying, you know, like um Ben Platt in um Dear Evan Hansen. You do at the end of a musical. Yeah.
01:10:47
Speaker
Exactly. um And ah her tears, somehow all the magic's not gone from her. It's inside her. It's inside. And so her tears have just a little essence, just a little essence of magic left. And so she cries and the tears fall on Flynn and it heals him and he's alive. She literally brings him back to life.
01:11:09
Speaker
This man owes her his life and it's so sweet and they kiss and it's magical and it's beautiful. And then we get our epilogue, which is everybody lives happily ever after.
01:11:20
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and um, yeah, It's all done in voiceover with like little shots of like everybody in the kingdom. Charlie got very excited for Max's promotion. Her parents have no lines. She meets them and has this very probably traumatically emotional like. She's like, I've been abused by a kidnapper for eight for like 15 years. Yeah.
01:11:42
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And you're my real parents and you're really nice and you've been looking for me this entire time. But no, we just see them all hug. been looking that well. No. Charlie did mention in the map. It's a horse ride away.
01:11:54
Speaker
Like he gets there pretty quickly on Maximus. He does. And on the on the map in the credits, what you have to imagine is like just a standard map of Corona.
01:12:07
Speaker
ah There is a tower called Rapunzel's Tower and Charlie goes, how could they not find Rapunzel if Rapunzel's Tower is on the map?
01:12:19
Speaker
That's true. That's true. and was like that's for don't worry about it um ah and uh yeah they they kiss and they get married and it's the end it's a disney princess and it's the end maximus gets promoted to be in charge of all of the army that's true yeah which seems crazy because he doesn't speak english he doesn't speak english speaks horse or any language i should say yeah He speaks facial expressions and apples. He does. Yeah.
01:12:52
Speaker
That's true. Yeah. Yeah. And that's Tangled, baby. Yeah, that's Tangled, baby.
01:13:00
Speaker
Any other thoughts, feelings, questions, concerns? No, I think we covered it. um this is This is super cute. um It really was like, and the the fact that the songs were good was such a big deal because that was something that hadn't There hadn't really been a Disney movie with good songs in it in about a decade before this.
01:13:21
Speaker
Because...
Disney's Non-Musical Challenges
01:13:22
Speaker
um um because i ah Because Lilo and Stitch and The Emperor's New Groove don't have songs. And those were like really the only successful Disney animated movies in between there that I can think of.
01:13:39
Speaker
Because there's the cow one. That's a musical. That's a huge flop. um Home on the Range. Chicken Little was a huge flop, which was also not a musical. Bolt was not a musical.
01:13:51
Speaker
Yeah. um Yeah, they really had a hard time. Yeah. and Let's see. In the two thousand s the Tigger movie, Dinosaur, and Emperor's New Groove, Recess, School's Out, Atlantis, The Lost Empire, Monsters, Atlantis, The Lost Empire, not a musical.
01:14:07
Speaker
Treasure Planet, um The Jungle Book 2. Treasure Planet, not a musical. Huge flop. They kind of went away from musicals for about two years. Oh, these are just Disney movies. Lizzie McGuire movie.
01:14:20
Speaker
That was a musical. That was also probably pretty successful, but that was also not animated. um yeah yeah because uh mulan is 98 90 what um well they had fantasia 2000 which i think is canon um and then before that was tarzan which was 99 tarzan is 99 yeah so yeah between tarzan and frozen there wasn't like a suit really successful disney animated musical at all um tarzan and the prince princess and the frog bri Oh, yeah. Sorry. Between Tarzan and the Princess of the Frog, 10 years later. Yeah. Tangled is 2010. So Tangled is the second one. yeah
01:14:57
Speaker
Yeah. Technically Enchanted is in there, but... Again, not animated. Tangled is much more successful the Princess of the Frog in terms of both lasting cultural impact and commercially.
01:15:12
Speaker
Princess and the Frog is kind of like the Great Mouse Detective came out the year before The Little Mermaid, you know, and was kind of the beginning of the Disney Renaissance. And The Great Mouse Detective was great. And so was The Princess of the Frog. But Little Mermaid and Tangled were so much more
Recent Disney Flops and Future Prospects
01:15:28
Speaker
popular. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, It was sort of the dip their toes in get get the audience back on your side, get butts in seats sort of situation.
01:15:37
Speaker
yes And honestly, now I think they're having the exact same problem because since in Kanto, they've had a string of absolute bombs. Like when we were doing that list of what are the most recent ones, like Moana 2 is obviously a huge hit, but like has no cultural impact whatsoever. Nobody knows any of the songs from Moana 2. It was a yeah TV show that they turned into a movie.
01:16:03
Speaker
um there was a Did you know that there was a Disney movie called Strange World from 2022? I've yet to meet anybody who's ever heard of it. Yeah, it's about aliens.
01:16:13
Speaker
i It's a penguin set on Mars or something. No one has heard of it. It absolutely does not exist. Was it streaming? Nope. who Jake Gyllenhaal's in it.
01:16:26
Speaker
And then Wish also huge flop. I remember Wish. Yeah, that was a huge flop. They tried really hard for Kayla and I tried watching it. It is awful. It's unwatchable. Yeah. Yeah. um So I think, and they have a Zootopia 2 coming out soon, which is not a musical, but I'm sure will be good.
01:16:44
Speaker
And then, yeah you know, Frozen 3, et cetera, et cetera. And now they can just make, um that was a huge that was ah that was pixar and that was a huge flop. Yeah. Elio? Yeah, I think so.
01:16:56
Speaker
it is. It's Disney and Pixar. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's my B. That was a huge flop. um Yeah. haves All that's coming out are sequels. Elio was student the Disney's worst week opening weekend ever.
01:17:10
Speaker
Really? And so they were making a live action Tangled, but because Snow White bombed so hard earlier this year, they canceled it immediately, which again, like. Which is smart. Disney is, I mean, again, they're the most successful company in America, maybe?
01:17:26
Speaker
I don't know. I just came with that. They're definitely one of, they're an absolutely evil monopolizing giant who can do whatever they want and have unlimited resources. But like creatively, they're in another rut, I think.
01:17:39
Speaker
yeah oh there's a really cute disney pixar movie that's coming out called hoppers which is a group of scientists invent a way to hop human minds into robotic animal bodies and then a girl named mabel uses their technology to embody a robotic beaver and thwart a construction company's plot to destroy the local animal habitat that's pretty cute well again like right pi Pixar hasn't had ah hasn't had a big hit in a while either. like um Yeah.
01:18:07
Speaker
I hope Hopper does. Because Turning Red is really was was really good and everybody liked, I think, but like I think it was it went straight to streaming, didn't it? Because pandemic. Yeah, it went straight to like Disney+. plus Yeah.
01:18:18
Speaker
It didn't come out into theaters. And literally everything until 2029 is sequels that's slated in their upcoming. I mean, that's that's that's just their their strategy now. Like remakes and sequels, they it's they can make ah they can make money from it It's like Moana 2. Like no cultural impact, no critical response.
01:18:39
Speaker
But kids have to see it. So they have to go. So they have to go see it. You know, so they've got their. Yeah. They've got their hooks in them. um Yeah. That's sad. I mean, Encanto was straight to streaming and that was hugely successful.
01:18:53
Speaker
Yeah. But that was such a good movie. Was Encanto? Yeah. Was Encanto straight to streaming? That's how I watched it. Was it during COVID? That's how watched it too. It was like 2021. So it was right at the end. It was like December 2021.
Encanto's Cultural Impact
01:19:08
Speaker
I don't think it went. two theaters, I think that would be irresponsible of them to put it, but... You know. What do I know? Who was?
01:19:20
Speaker
Oh, what? Oh, way to go, Disney. Yeah, it was released in theaters and on November 24th, 2021, followed by streaming release on December 24th. So it only had a month in theaters.
01:19:30
Speaker
Oh. Yeah, I remember because I think but I'm pretty sure we watched it on Christmas. um But I mean, again, the cultural impact of Encanto was huge. though it's it's It's another Frozen and and Tangled. It has the... Yeah, they performed at the Oscars. It's got the songs that everybody loves. Yeah.
01:19:45
Speaker
And yeah Lin-Manuel Miranda somehow didn't get an Oscar for it.
Disney's Oscar Journey
01:19:49
Speaker
I know. Because they nominated the wrong song. they right They nominated the wrong song. Which song did they nominate?
01:19:58
Speaker
I feel like they nominated um Dos Origatas. What's the word for? Dos Origatas. Yeah.
01:20:08
Speaker
Dos Origatas. Oruguitas. Oruguitas. Oruguitas. Or the one that was like a frickin hit we don't talk about bruno Right?
01:20:20
Speaker
We Don't Talk About Bruno. The one that they performed at the Oscars as like an additional song. It was great. Yeah, because they knew they fucked up. Yeah.
01:20:31
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. Everybody cares about We Don't Talk About Bruno. Nobody cares about the wonderful, beautiful song that the grandmother sings. Yeah. Anyway. um So that's Tangled. I feel like I might not be beating the Disney adult allegations, but I promise you I'm not a Disney adult.
01:20:50
Speaker
You have lot of facts about Disney. It makes me feel like, have you worked for Disney? Yeah, i have not that's true. That's very true. And Disney is a convomerate. feel like I could talk about Sony and Fox as well. Yeah. um Also, Disney is the only big five movie studio to not have any Best Picture winning Oscars.
01:21:11
Speaker
Really? Disney has never won a Best Picture Oscar and they're the only major studio who hasn't. Oh, yeah, because they will always win the animated feature, but they'll never win feature feature.
Next Week's Movie & Podcast Closing
01:21:23
Speaker
Yeah, but I mean, they've released plenty of live action movies over the years that never, I mean, some would argue that Mary Poppins probably deserved Best Picture, but didn't win. Yeah, that's a shame. So what ah what movie are we doing next week?
01:21:37
Speaker
What are we watching next week? We are um ah going for a comedy dramedy, and we are watching ah The Big Sick. With Kimmel Nanjiani Zoe Kazan.
01:21:51
Speaker
Zoe Kazan, yeah. There you go. Take me a second. Zoe Kazan. Our second Kazan. What other Zoe Kazan movie did we do? We did...
01:22:04
Speaker
why ah Why not? No. the though Daniel... Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The F word or the f whatever the yeah the dumb American title they gave to it.
01:22:14
Speaker
Yeah. The Canadian film. What if is what they called it. What Yeah, for some reason. What Which makes no sense. yeah Yeah. Makes no sense. The F word was better, but, you know, whatever. Yeah, the F word's better. Well, yeah shall we outro?
01:22:28
Speaker
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01:22:56
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01:23:08
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