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500 Days Of Summer
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This is a story of podcasters watching boy meet girl. But you should all know up front listeners, this is not a love story....Emma and Katie chat all things twee with the 2009 manic pixie dream girl of a movie 500 Days of Summer. They discuss how Joseph Gordon Levitt's Tom is the worst and question if the filmmakers knew that at the time or not. Also just for the record, Jenny Beckmen- you were NOT a bitch.
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Chaotic Notebooks and Transition to Digital Notes
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Okay, cool. um So exciting news for the pod.
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Oh my god. Page one was when Harry met Sally. Yeah. And then I was too lazy to grab another notebook for plus one. And then I was even lazier for 500 days of summer.
00:00:36
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um ah Those notes, Emma, look insane. um Jenny Beckman, Amelie opening. Just, no, no, I just, I mean, oh just the page that you showed me, it looks like there were tally marks on one page and then just indecipherable scrawl on the other.
00:00:56
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It looks like one of those, like... Like I see these things advertised on Instagram all the time where it's like, we mail you a serial killers journal and you have to solve the answer.
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Yeah. Well, that's because while in the early days we were at my parents' house and I was working on my, um, in between life stages blanket.
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And I was doing little knitting, um patches. I was doing little, i was doing yeah yeah yeah yeah different. And so like, this was to keep track of the rose. Sure. Yeah, of course. Yeah, you got to count the rows.
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So I knew like where i was in the pattern. um That blanket is now finished and it is very cozy. but um'm sorry But yeah, I did use it. i yeah I did. I started a new notebook when to do notes for this when we started it. So I have page one. um and Harry Metz Alley notebook around here somewhere.
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But then I stopped using that one. And then I started using and another, a different smaller notebook. And then i stopped using that one and started taking notes on my phone because we reached a point where I couldn't, I couldn't read my handwriting.
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Yeah.
The Art of Note-taking During Movies
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Because I try not to pause the movie a lot. Oh, yeah. So i end up writing very fast and it's very difficult to read. Wait, so you were pausing the movie before?
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I still I do now. I have to pause now because I'm i'm typing and i have to look down at my phone. So I'll miss something if I'm typing out notes. So I have to pause the movie constantly. i just write and watch. I read and watch. this i also write. This is two different type of like students here.
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Oh, big time. I write hundreds of notes. like Yeah, no I stopped at one point. Oh my God. It just goes on and on and on. like yeah me look these are These are the notes for this movie.
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right Jesus! ah Jesus Christ! I mean, I know we do have a lot to talk about. We have a lot to unpack here.
Theatrical Understudy Experiences
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It's probably like three or four thousand words, I would say. Maybe it's hard to say. i don't know to notes that doesn't count him that's a little essay that's like my dream last night do you ever have those dreams where you um are back in school and you have to do a write a like 20 page paper and memorize a like three page monologue and perform it and take a test all in the same day and they don't know how you're gonna do it
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I don't have anything quite that intense. I frequently have, you have to go on stage for this person who dropped out and you have to memorize their lines and the lines are insane and I can't memorize them and I'm about to go on stage. I get that a lot. That anxiety dream I have a lot.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I used to, and then I was an understudy for two shows, and that went away. Well, I was an understudy, and that's what started the dream. Oh, what started the dream?
00:03:54
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Yeah. I mean... Because it was so... i was an understudy at this theater. I think I've talked about it before. I mean, I'll just say it. It doesn't matter. It's the Barter Theater in Virginia. It's... It's a good theater. Yeah. But they are in rep, so they're always doing four shows at once.
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And they really, really took advantage. In the past, when, you know, years ago when I was there, they really took advantage of their interns and stuff because they just had to do so much work.
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And because you would have to you would have to understudy for like three different parts on four different shows at all times. And the actors, you know, because it was it was also, it was a rep company. And so most of the, like they would job in a couple of leads for like some big shows, but most of the plays had like, you know, they had about 20 actors who lived on site and were in all of the shows.
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And they just, they lived there with their families for years, which is cool. And like, that's a cool theater community. But so very, they very, very rarely missed a missed a show. So it would be ah really uncommon for an understudy to have to go on. So they were really half-assed the like put in rehearsals and everything like that. It was, yeah they just expected you to like go to rehearsals when you had time, watch the rehearsal and memorize the blocking and stuff. And it was just, it was very, I never, I never went on, but it was very, very anxious. Yeah.
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Oh, yeah. No, i both the times that I under understood or all three times that I understudied, I had to go on. and um The first time i overprepared, which is the way you should do it.
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um But it was also a play that I was very passionate about and a role that i really wanted. And so was super excited to be going on for it. um yeah The second time it was a theater I was very excited about.
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And ah play that I didn't get.
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um And didn't understand. With that one, I prepared to the best of my ability, but the lines were so hard because it was very absurdist and very existential.
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and like three hours long and i just i was never word perfect and the blocking like i went on stage early at one point and i exited but like at that point like so many people were like calling out of the show that like nobody cared at that point it was just like nonsense and that i was like oh this isn't a big deal if i up nobody knows a lot of people were a lot of people were calling out of the show Yeah, it was also like in the midst of winter.
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So everybody was getting sick. And there was some kissy kissy in the show. so ah So for protection of everyone. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. and And then like like people had weddings and like it was like it was like a whole thing.
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um but And then the third time I understudied it was for a musical, which is fucking hard. It's so hard.
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And because you not only have lines and blocking, but you also have songs and choreography. And um it was, um again, did the best of my ability, but really went into that blind.
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was a good thing around that time I started anti-anxiety medication because um yeah a lot of things went wrong and you just got to pretend like whatever you did was right.
Understudy Challenges and Love Life Parallels
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And that's how I go about life.
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Yeah, I mean, that is a good philosophy for life in general, and just to pretend to know what you're doing. yeah Yeah, exactly. Pretend to know what you're doing, even though you're panicking and you don't know what's happening. And when you make a mistake, go, whoopsie daisies.
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But not out loud, because unless that's the line.
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Unless that's the line. Exactly.
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um But luckily with all three of my... um with my understudy going on, it was always planned going on. like We knew that I was going on. So I mentally knew That, like, I had to be ready by, like, this day. And i knew that I had.
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It was never, like, yeah that's good show up and call. I've never had to do that, which is terrifying. Yeah. But... ah Yeah, the ones I had, like, you just had to have, like, your phone. And, like, if they texted you, you had to, like, be ready to go. so like, it was a nightmare. Yeah. It's scary.
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um But understudying. In a philosophy way, you could say... It is slightly related to this film.
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Sure. If you think about like the understudy for the love of your life. Okay. Yeah. You know, like a trial run.
00:08:51
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Yeah. Yeah. Kind of sort of. That's right guys. This is Go Get Your Girl. This is the podcast where Emma and Katie just want to find love. They just want to fall in love, you know?
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And they think that they fall in love with this one person who is everything that they epitomize and they sort of fantasize a perfect person. And that perfect person It's not perfect.
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They are just a person. And they keep telling Emma and Katie that they don't want a relationship. But Emma and Katie insist, no, no, no, no. no Maybe we can just work our way into it and fall in love together.
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But no, it was true. They didn't want a relationship. And they never felt it with us. They tried to, but they never did. That's right, guys.
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but I'm Emma. And I'm Katie. And today we're talking about 500 Days
Exploring 500 Days of Summer
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of Summer. I was going to say, in this is the podcast where Emma and Katie are moon-eyed pieces of shit.
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Moon-eyed pieces of shit. refuse to take no answer. I know. know. Wait, which character are you talking about in that? Joseph Gordon-Levitt. Oh, yeah, yeah. was going to say,
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um And Zooey Deschanel is bug-eyed, not moon-eyed. Okay, bug-eyed, not moon-eyed. Because I was like... Also, I'm going to turn the light on because it's about to storm here and it just got pitch black in my apartment. got so dark in your apartment. I thought that the lights went out. There we go.
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Jesus.
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Why is everybody else getting rain except for me? I love rain. I'm not getting any rain. Boo. Boo. Okay, I get rain tomorrow. But that better no that's worse.
00:10:40
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That seems a little bit more like moody. Like, hey, I'm Katie Coleman. And welcome to NPR's 500 Days of Summer. This is bright. I don't like this. I hate overhead lighting.
00:10:52
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Yeah, I know. Everybody does. It's terrible. But you know what it does? It lights a room. Mm hmm. Unless it just puts big shadows under my eyes. Yes, 500 Days of Summer. direct yeah by mark Directed by Mark Webb.
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yeah ah Who directed The Amazing Spider-Man. Yes, he did. so Not the good one. The one with Andrew Garfield. i have not seen that one. ah No one has. and he also, just this year, directed the ah horribly received Snow White live action remake. Mm-hmm.
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um I saw that. Not a great... You did? no no. I didn't see that movie. Was it terrible? I saw that he directed it. I didn't see the movie. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. um And that's... I mean, yeah, there's not not a lot. But it's written by... I think you're on a few of his credits, Katie.
00:11:44
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I mean, he did The Amazing Spider-Man 2. No. No, no, no. You go back further. His name Mark Webb, and he did Spider-Man. In his IMDb. He was a music...
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a music video director. He directed all those hot My Chemical Romance videos, including... Sorry, am I shouting? yeah Yeah. You are. He did The Ghost of He did My Unhappy Ending by Avril Lavigne.
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Didn't really come up. I just looked at his movies. I'm so sorry. He did the music video that had Joseph Gordon-Lovett and Zooey Deschanel. Of course.
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um He did an Evanescence music video. He's directed many music videos. He directed Teenagers by My Chemical Romance. and Gives You Hell by All American Rejects. Yeah, classic.
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So he's a music video director. Primarily, yes. But he forayed into on-camera. That totally makes sense. This movie is very music video.
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And also the soundtrack to this movie, Fuckin' Slaps. Fuckin' Slaps. I was obsessed with this. Yeah. Forgot how good. This is like, this is a Garden State 2 situation soundtrack. Oh, absolutely.
00:13:04
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I was listening to another podcast and they were talking about like the Indie Sleaze era. And they're like, what came after Indie Sleaze? Like what? Because Indie Sleaze ended. yeah what well i Indie Sleaze ended in like the late 2000s. So what was the beginning of the 2010s? What was that era called? And I'm shouting at the podcast.
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Yeah. Stomp, stomp, clap, hey ho, Indie Optimism. That is what came after Indie Sleaze. Yeah. It was fucking twee. Yeah, twee.
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I call it twee. And this movie is the epitome of that yeah era. yeah This is from 2009, but it's very early 2010s stomp clap optimism. like it is This all of my 2010s.
00:13:47
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Well, not all of my 2010 to 2015. And then learned maybe should stop little girl dresses all the time. twenty ten to twenty fifteen and then i learned this is yeah stop wearing um little girl dresses all
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I mean, Zooey Deschanel wears them so well. She wears them so well. The little ballet flats and the little 60s haircut, as he calls it, and her stupid 60s haircut.
00:14:13
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Yes. That's kind of her whole deal. And you know I think both of us wanted to be Zooey Deschanel when we were like 20 years old. 100%. Because right after this, Zooey Deschanel does New Girl.
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um A few years later and just continues with the like fashion that and every twee girl wannabe like strives for.
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I used to go on a website called um because in the early days after college, I um had I worked a receptions job where I did nothing all day except go on the Internet.
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And um I used to go on um what are um who or not who I wear but like war on tv or tv war it was like a website where you could this girl literally went and found every by show the exact dress oh yeah fashion piece that someone was wearing and like where you could buy it and I used to go I mean they still have those yeah Yeah, yeah. It like that. I, I got some pajamas because of new girl.
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I'm pretty sure I got like a bathing suit because of new girl. um Like a lot of my early 20s was Zooey Deschanel coated. Yeah, yeah. Very reasonable um and understandable.
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um It is like, because, yeah, so this is, i think, because Garden State, they're a little bit older than us, but like, be and like and these actors are a little bit older than this than us, but the characters that they're playing, this is very much our generation. Like, yeah more so than maybe any other movie that we've we've watched. Like, this is like,
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Because, I mean, there are definitely, like, movies we've watched with characters who are our age. But, like, this movie is much more, like, kind of in the like, yeah, twee indie yeah universe, I think, it more. um And so this is much more generational.
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Yeah. This is a very millennial core movie. twenty ten s I mean, just like um looking at Joseph Gordon-Levitt wearing his like work attire with freaking Chuck's tailors and zip up hoodie. I'm like, but oh my God. Little messenger bag.
00:16:33
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Right? Like that's, and so that is literally everyone in their early twenties at an internship or like, and their entry level job working at Grubhub. His headphones.
00:16:45
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Yeah. Yeah. to grab him by his little tie. Right? Tell him, stop being an idiot, you dumb bitch. No, going to kiss me, but also that, sure. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:16:58
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This movie was written by ah Scott Neustadter and Michael Weber, who also wrote The Fault in Our Stars, Paper Towns, The Spectacular Now, The Disaster Artist, and Daisy Jones and the Six. Oh. all of which All of which I think are pretty good.
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Yeah. I was going to say I haven't seen Paper Towns or The Fault in Our Stars, but I have seen um dais Jones and the Six and Disaster Artist. Those are all things that are based on books, though.
00:17:32
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They are all based on books, yes. So this is the I mean, I think I might have skipped over a couple of their scripts and some their TV work, but like, yeah this might be their only original screenplay. I'm not sure. Yeah.
00:17:46
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And it is original in that it is very based in reality but on one of the screenwriters' personal lives. Okay. So let's let's get into it. Okay.
00:17:57
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This movie starts on a black screen yeah and it says, authors note, the following is a work
500 Days' Creative Impact and Gender Dynamics
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of fiction. Any resemblance to people living or dead is coincidental.
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And then it says, especially you, Jenny Beckman, bitch. Which yeah I think takes all the credibility out of the people who are like, no, he's supposed to be the bad guy. Like, you're supposed to understand. Like, I don't think that's true. I think the yeah screenwriter intended this but movie to be like, look at what this horrible woman was like.
00:18:35
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I think that that might have been like the initial intent, but I think that it sort of developed into so much more because like- and Why did they keep that part at the beginning then? I know, i know.
00:18:47
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and I don't know how much of this is. um Let me first off state, this is one of Emma's favorite films.
00:18:56
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for For the vibes. For the vibes. Charlie and i we have a very, like, um one of our first dates. This is not a Notting Hill situation. This actually very pleasantly surprised me. He made He remembers this one?
00:19:10
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He remembers this one. He made me wait until he came back from England for us to watch this. So that, because he was like, I remember you showing me this movie one of the first times that we were together in my room watching it on my laptop.
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Just such a fucking millennial thing to do. It was a date watching my laptop. Oh, God, yeah. right well i mean even more so for for gen z like gen z is much more likely to watch a movie on a laptop than on than in a movie theater for sure yeah True.
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um But he was just like, I just remember really loving it and enjoying it and having such a lovely time with you watching it. And um so I would love to watch it again with you because we haven't watched it since. um And, yeah and like time has sort of like, and, you know, age has sort of molded sort of what my opinions were when I first watched it.
00:19:57
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But I think down to the core of it, I'm here for the vibes. Yeah. I think this a very creative film. It's very creative. It's very well put together. The screenplay is is interesting and it does some does some cool stuff.
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Yeah. However, I think that there is a toxicity yeah that is... um that it's hard to argue with considering that apparently a lot of it is based on a real person who he names in the movie in the movie and calls a bitch in the beginning like yeah what the fuck man that like sucks so bad that's and it's such an early 2010s thing to do where they're just like no it's like funny right but really they're doing it for vindictive reasons but they're trying to mean it's it's just misogyny yeah exactly but it's just misogyny um which a lot of things in the screenplay i think sort of bleed into that as well like they call people gay all the time as an insult that's not great um we had already had those hillary duff commercials at that point don't do that you know you really shouldn't say that
00:21:09
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Say what? Well, say that something's gay when you mean it's bad. It's insulting. I'm going to keep bringing up those commercials until the end of time. But yeah, and I think there is something to be said. I've watched interviews with Joseph Gordon-Levitt since where he talks about his time with 500 Days of Summer and how he does genuinely think that he his character was the villain and I think I don't know how much of that was true in the moment and how much of that has just grown from him watching and reevaluating the story post humorously the movie is not is not easy on him I mean like they have that conversation where I mean nobody people constantly are telling him that he's stupid and she yeah like
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Multiple times people are like she told you she didn't want a relationship like she didn't do this she didn't do that told you she didn't want something serious and you're causing all of this like the movie knows that he's in the wrong also.
00:22:08
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Yeah. And like i just My problem is that that that opening that opening, like ah like dedication, i guess you'd have to call it it, is just like, it's a real problem.
00:22:20
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yeah And here's the other thing. I mean, this is a movie. So like we don't know how much difference between the screen the original screenplay and what we saw on the the movie is actually there. So you know the director and an uncredited writer and the actors on the day on set could have changed a lot of stuff and that's just the nature of how movies are made like you don't have to go by the screenplay in a movie like you do in a play yeah um i mean like we don't know how much of the fun beautiful creativeness like the expectation of reality scene or um the like um those were documentary like
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the documentary or him being like scribbled out and then erased. Like all of that is so visual. A lot of the things that are super powerful about this movie are super visual. So I don't know how I doubt a lot of it was in the screenplay. I think maybe the screenplay was way more toxic.
00:23:15
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ah Quite possibly. Although, I mean, like, so I've read, I read the book Paper
Idealizing Romantic Partners in Film
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Towns. I have not seen the movie Paper Towns, but Paper Towns is about, I mean, Paper Towns is also a children's book and a children's movie.
00:23:29
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Yeah. Paper Towns is about kind of the same thing as this movie. It's about this boy who meets this girl and instantly falls in love with her and then she disappears and he's trying to find her.
00:23:43
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And it's about like the person that you create in your mind versus the person who actually exists, right? It's like putting... It's specifically about the toxic male i like thing to to put women on a pedestal and to like imagine this version of them that doesn't exist.
00:23:59
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So that is interesting to me as well, um that they would be hired for that project. But, you know, and also there's two people involved in the screenplay, so... Yeah, so, I mean, maybe one person was like, here's my screenplay about my stupid bitch ex-girlfriend. And the other one's like, okay, there's something to work with here.
00:24:16
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Let's maybe, don't know, tone it down a bit. And he goes, yeah, but we got to keep the bit in the beginning where we call her a bitch. That was part of his contract when he sold the screenplay. Yeah. Can you imagine being Jenny Beckman and you go to this like hot movie that just came out and um it's super like everyone's talking about it.
00:24:35
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500 days of summer. Like it's got Zooey Deschanel. It's got Joseph Gordon-Levitt. It looks super cute and fun. um And you go and your name is the first fucking thing to pop up.
00:24:46
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And then you see like, oh, my ex fucking wrote this. What the hell? Yeah. It's, um I have to wonder, I feel like that's either not her real name or they contacted her because I can't yeah imagine Fox's lawyers would let them do that.
00:25:06
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Yeah, right? Like, it it had to have been a thing of, like, maybe, because at the end, they do sort of come together, and Summer always wants to be friends with Tom.
00:25:17
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Summer always wants that friendship. And she, like, she thinks of him as her best friend, and I think that's why she keeps going back, is because she really craves this friendship, because she gets a on with him really well.
00:25:30
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And I think that, like, maybe... They have superficial things in common. ah yeah exactly super super weird things in common um and maybe like after this like actual relationship with jenny beckman imploded they did become friends and it's something that they sort of tease about and they joke about and he's yeah like you know it'd be really funny if i did this thing and she agrees to it yeah yeah that's the dialogue i'm writing well who's to say you know yeah um this is all hearsay
00:26:02
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Anyway, the movie yeah is about, um oh, and then so there's a narrator, which is voice actor Richard McGonigal, who, um if anybody's played the Uncharted games, is ah Sully from the Uncharted games. has very distinctive voice because I was watching this and I like, I know that voice.
00:26:26
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And so I had to look it up and he is, yeah, he's Sully from all four Uncharted games. so Nice. um It also gives off the vibes. it's It feels very Amelie at the beginning, where just like, oh, they watched Amelie.
00:26:40
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Yeah. And they were like, yeah they that's that's cool. Let's do that in our movie. But in English. They play ah Us by Regina Spector um during the opening title credit opening ah credits. And there's fake and childhood footage of the yeah of the two of them, yeah which are actors and not and not actual footage from them. Because first of all, Zooey Deschanel's father is a famous cinematographer, and he would shoot way better than that. Oh, yeah. Than like a 1960s camera with like a little like...
00:27:10
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that looks like it's like a wind up. Yeah. Yeah. Brownie. And they, they also don't look enough like the actors to be believable. Like they look close enough to where you could cast them, but like not enough where you're just like, Oh, I wonder if that's actually them.
00:27:24
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Yeah. They just have dark hair and big eyes. um the ah the narrator says, sad so this is Tom Hansen from New Jersey, sad British pop music and a total misreading of the movie The Graduate.
00:27:36
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Like that's such a specific type of guy. Like that is so specific such an indie 2010s piece of shit yeah that doesn't seem like a piece. It's one of those nice guys, you know?
00:27:47
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Yeah, he's a nice guy. He's one of the guys that Carey Mulligan would murder in Promise Young Woman. Oh, yeah. The less said about that movie, the better. um we talked about um my hatred for that movie i think we did because it came out right after i came up with my idea for the screenplay and then when we were talking about it which is like yeah so this does sound a little bit like promise young woman but it's not i swear yeah it won't be as it won't be as nasty and and uh and poorly written as that movie
00:28:25
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Yeah, exactly. ah
00:28:30
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i hate Emerald Fennell so much. I love her. ah But that's the difference between us. i think we've I think I've said this before. but Yeah. I think I've said this before, but I think that Emerald Fennell is a good example that, um you know, things have in Hollywood have changed a little bit because previously untalented people would only get careers if they were men.
00:28:50
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Did you watch Salt Burn? Yeah, Salt Burn is one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Oh. ah Albert is garbage. Oh my God.
00:29:01
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Total dog shit. And I'm super fucking excited for Wuthering Heights. Ugh. Hi Thomas. Oh, sorry. The producer has some notes to say on Emerald Fresnel. I see that. Yeah.
00:29:14
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Do you want, do you want to say your two cents about Emerald Fresnel? He is a British short hair after all. Sure. Yeah. Like Emerald Fresnel. I don't know if she's British or has short hair.
00:29:27
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So, yes, um we, so the movie jumps around a lot. We, it is constant. it has this, um this kind of conceit of these 500 days, right? So it's all, we get like this animated kind of, um this animated bit where it shows what day it is and it shows like the season of the year.
00:29:46
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um And the days with summer in it obviously are brighter and the days where after they break up are brighter. dark and gloomy even though it's not actually the correct season for depending on how it's not a season where it's set in the movie yeah um because they need in the winter how many years what is the time of 500 days like I know it's over a year so 500 days I did the math so it January 8th of one year to the next year um May 23rd oh okay so a year and some change
00:30:23
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Yeah, but they break up on day 290, which is October, late October. Oh, so they don't even make it a year. No, they're there. They date for like 10 months, basically. Or they they don't even like date that long because it's when he meets her.
00:30:39
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They start dating for a month after that, at least. Yeah. And it's not even really dating because she just she constantly is like, I don't want to put labels on things. Yes, exactly. Exactly.
00:30:50
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yeah um So he is, and he wants to be an architect, but instead he works at a greeting card company with ah his idiot friends, um Jeffrey Arend, who is a weird loser who was married to Christina Hendricks, strangely enough.
00:31:08
Speaker
Yeah, it was weird. yeah It happened. Matthew Gray Goobler, the sex pot from Criminal Minds. Criminal Minds, baby!
00:31:18
Speaker
sexy nerd did you know that his character on criminal minds was originally supposed to be bi but the um but cbs was like absolutely not that's disgusting fuck you cbs how dare you fuck you cbs hopefully he comes back as bi in the reboot well they've already rebooted it Well, i I mean, maybe he can explore his sexuality.
00:31:41
Speaker
i've never I've never seen Criminal Minds. It seems like it would be too gross. You've never seen Criminal Minds? Yeah, you might hate it, actually. It's real gross. But, like, they that show was off the air for, like, a year and a half before they rebooted it, and now it's on still on.
00:31:55
Speaker
Well, because they had to get rid of Toxic, Dharma, and Greg. They just couldn't. They decided America couldn't live without Criminal Minds. It was on for like 15 years. It was off the air for like a year and a half. And now it's been back for like four more years.
00:32:10
Speaker
Girl, there is a reason why It is so addicting. I have started and restarted and started and I've never finished it. It is my white whale. It's forever.
00:32:22
Speaker
I know. It never ends. Three seasons of 24 episodes each. And they're all like about serial killers doing a horrible, like removing people's skins and stuff. And like, yeah i don't know. i don't want to that. The thing that's great about it is that sometimes the episodes don't end the way you think they do.
00:32:37
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Kind of like Law and Order. Sometimes the bad guy wins. Yeah. Well, I mean, you gotta sometimes. And then we've also got Chloe Grace. Chloe Grace Moritz as his extremely mature little sister who gives him the but good advice because his friends are idiots.
00:32:54
Speaker
Which leads me to the first problem that I had in my rewatch of this movie. So his sister and his mom live in LA. This is a movie that's famously takes place in LA.
00:33:06
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It is Los Angeles. It is ah also, some might say actually, kidding. Yeah. that los angeles is the third character in this film yeah yeah yeah i said it here first um i was so obsessed with this movie when it came out that i've watched all the commentary and all the behind the scenes interviews and all the things and one of the things that zoe deschanel and joseph gordon levitt loved about this movie was that um they're both from los angeles yeah originally And they love that it is a love letter to Los Angeles and not like places that you usually see in movies of LA. Not a good city. yeah
00:33:45
Speaker
Yeah. It shows off the architecture. It shows off sort of like the old timey sort of like buildings and yeah stuff that you usually don't see. um And that's what they liked about it.
00:33:56
Speaker
um But anyways, I digress. So I started to get, I knew where this movie took place. So that wasn't my spiral. My spiral. Yeah, right, right. It's what's going on with this family.
00:34:08
Speaker
What's going on with his family? Because he his family obviously lives in LA. His little sister's in what, middle school? um Yeah. But it says that he's from New Jersey.
00:34:18
Speaker
And he talks about how he's from New Jersey. And Charlie thought that it took place in New York. And I was like, no, it's l LA. And he goes, what? Because New York would make sense. Because like he can go back and forth to New Jersey. But like yeah I'm assuming something took his family out to LA.
00:34:33
Speaker
But that's never addressed. And so my question for the screenwriter is, Why even bother saying that Tom's from New Jersey? Is it just for the Bruce Springsteen thing? oh Because i'm I'm guessing the screenwriter is from New Jersey and moved to LA. And so that's why this character that is him had to move from New Jersey too yeah to LA.
00:34:54
Speaker
yeah The only reason why i could think that is because of the one thing in the karaoke bar where Summer says, I really wanted to sing Born to Run, but they didn't have that. And what's his face that was married to Christina Hendricks goes, ah, Tom's from New Jersey.
00:35:08
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of reasons.
00:35:11
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It's like, and then the other thing I think I read about that is like, they didn't have Born to Run, but they had ah Here Comes Your Man by Pixies. Yeah. And Sugartown by Nancy Sinatra. I don't think so.
00:35:24
Speaker
Yeah. I don't think, I think maybe Born to Run was not in the budget of the production. They couldn't pay for Born to Run. So everybody had to sing indie songs. Yeah. Yeah.
00:35:35
Speaker
Yeah. Cause that's insane. They even had, I'm proud to be an American. Oh, yeah. Which was so I think they um and just didn't want to pay for Born to Run. yeah Why have that bit? a very awkward screenwriter thing.
00:35:48
Speaker
It's just, it's probably something that that they the guy liked and he just wanted to keep it in there. I don't know. ah It's so dumb. It could have been cut. Cut. um So yeah, they keep, you find out that, so there's kind of a, um there's kind of a bait and switch because they're constantly telling you, the narrator says it's not a love story. It's a boy meets girl story, but it's not a love story.
00:36:10
Speaker
and One of the first things we see is the two of them on the park bench on day 400 and something or other ah with her. ah They're holding hands and she has an engagement ring.
00:36:23
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And then and day we immediately see that they break up on day 290. um man And so they they deal with that. And then they also deal with him first meeting her kind of at the same time. And he's...
00:36:36
Speaker
and ah he's He's just so terrible all the time. He's the worst. He's just so um obnoxious in like not a cute way.
00:36:49
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. He's not. a Yeah. Obnoxious in a cute way. um Right. Okay. There. But like, I don't know. um ah Yeah. So he works for a greeting card company. um ah glin Clark Gregg his boss.
00:37:03
Speaker
And Summer. Yeah. ah Yeah. um yeah And Summer is is his new assistant, which is how they meet. um And then we get a little bit about her background, um where basically this movie is like, Zooey Deschanel is the most beautiful woman in the world.
00:37:23
Speaker
ah Yeah. And that's where I wrote down pretty privilege. What they're describing is pretty privilege. Oh, before that, do we want to talk about the nonsense that the the little like thing that leads up to pretty privilege, which is there are two types of people in this world.
00:37:40
Speaker
boys and girls and i went that's wrong yeah and then um immediately starts describing girls of like just basically quoting that one poem from the 1900s of like girls are sugar and spice and everything nice and boys are made of like rat tails and like dirt and poo yeah and i'm like all this is wrong not not really that wrong most boys i know are made out of rat tails and poo ah it's like she quoted bell and sebastian in her high school yearbook uh and people are still trying to figure out why the album sales of the boy with the arab strap spike tin uh yeah michigan or whatever
00:38:23
Speaker
The ice cream store where she worked became super popular because she worked there. And, like, they're just, like, really selling up the fact that this is a manic pixie dream girl. Like, this is just someone that everyone is attracted to. Which, like, yeah those people totally exist.
00:38:38
Speaker
And it doesn't necessarily have everything to do with the way that you look. But Zooey Deschanel is obviously very beautiful and has, like, yeah you know. eyes that take up half her face, which helps. Yeah. Yeah. But it pretty privileged. And it is, it's like that sort of cool girl aesthetic. So like, I mean, I know people that are just, not only are they beautiful, but like, they're just so effortlessly cool, at least on the outside. Like they seem so confident and so just sort of like, they're friends with everyone and they're just so nice and they're so fabulous and you just gravitate towards them like it's it's just that thing like they're like they are like a son and you just want to be in their orbit you know those people exist yeah and that's and um and that's definitely but but the thing about summer is that she doesn't believe in love because her parents got divorced um that's the only reason we get okay so so did everybody's yep um
00:39:35
Speaker
And she just just wants to be alone. And yeah she's not looking for love. And she repeats that to him so many times in this movie. And he just will not it. many fucking times.
00:39:46
Speaker
Because he thinks he's better than her. um Yeah. Which is just nonsensical. Like, she constantly is like, I have so much fun with you. It's like and they came together when um Colby Smothers is like, oh ah when Paul Rudd goes to Colby Smothers.
00:40:04
Speaker
Colby Smothers? Colby Smothers? Colby Smothers? I don't want to get into a thing where like we correct each other because who cares?
00:40:16
Speaker
I'm sorry. Colby Smothers.
00:40:22
Speaker
Like that's a good name, honestly. Colby Smothers too
00:40:29
Speaker
Who did she smother? Colby Smothers. Colby Smothers. Oh, that's actually a really good like band name or um book name. Colby Smothers, Neil Patrick Harris last night.
00:40:41
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Deadline reports.
00:40:46
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um But in, um they came together when um ah Paul Rudd turns to her and goes, I love you. And she goes, that's nice. Like that's constantly what's happening in this movie.
00:40:59
Speaker
Yeah, pretty much. Pretty much. yeah yeah So they, he instantly falls in love with her because he's annoying and um like becomes obsessed with her and starts talking about her to his loser friends.
00:41:13
Speaker
And then they finally speak each other in the elevator where she goes, um my God, are you listening to the Smiths? Yeah. i love the Smiths. And he's like, you love the Smiths? One of the most popular bands the 80s.
00:41:26
Speaker
band that literally everybody loves? That's crazy. can't imagine a woman like something that me, a man also likes.
00:41:38
Speaker
That's crazy. That's so weird and nuts. We like the same weird indie music. Oh my gosh. You like really long song titles and really, really long album titles.
00:41:52
Speaker
um They are listening to ah There is a Light That Never Goes Out, which is a very depressing song about wanting to die. Yeah. um it also bangs hard um for a time when i was an insufferable twee child i wanted ah there is a light on one arm and that will never go out on the other arm tattoos and thank god i didn't get those yeah because that also can be seen as um oh god there's that's in a musical of there's a light um is it next you're talking about over at the frankenstein place
00:42:26
Speaker
No. Oh, yeah. over the frank time yeah Rocky Horror. yeah People might think that you're really into Rocky Horror. I mean, you know. Yeah.
00:42:38
Speaker
Not as much as this myth. um ah Yeah. oh it's very much, i mean, it's it's a lot like High Fidelity. It's like, there are these people that think because you like the same things, that means you are alike.
00:42:50
Speaker
And that is just simply not true. Yeah. um They go to a party and she takes a drink from him that she didn't see him pour, which is crazy. you good um ah but yeah but this was This was before um people were talking about drugging drinks.
00:43:08
Speaker
So let's be let's be real, guys. Make sure you see who pours your drink and what's in it. I mean, I don't know. Pour it yourself. feel like we were aware of that when we were in college.
00:43:20
Speaker
Maybe I was just a dumb bitch. Yeah. Jesus. Sorry. I don't think that was the case. um ah
00:43:33
Speaker
Yeah, it goes to day 154 and he's like, I'm in love with her. I love this about her and I love this about And it plays She's Like the Wind by Patrick Swayze.
00:43:47
Speaker
He goes, she likes Magritte and a Hopper. And I'm like, two of the most popular artists of the 20th century. I've never heard either of those things until this movie.
00:43:59
Speaker
um you know you You would know Magritte and Hopper like if you saw them though. Nighthawks at the Diner. Like the painting of the premiere. Oh, Magritte, the artist. I thought, yeah, okay.
00:44:12
Speaker
yeah, yeah. And Magritte is the bowler hat with the apple. Yeah, which she has in her, they like zoom in when you go to her apartment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's just like, it's very surface level. And so it, again, I'm, again, because of the opening, like titles, like the dedication on this movie, like it's so hard for me to know if the movie is in on the joke on him.
00:44:35
Speaker
yeah right yeah yeah it's very jaded um yeah it or it makes you very jaded um yeah against it and so like they i this movie needs to be redone and they need to cut that out or just not um cut it out and then cut out the fact that he's from new jersey
00:45:00
Speaker
um And then he talks to ah to his little sister, Chloe Grace Moritz, and she says, just because some cute girl likes the same bizarro crap you do doesn't make her your soulmate. Yep. Which is correct. And that's what the movie's about, really.
00:45:13
Speaker
Exactly. That is sort of the thesis of this film. And um they are also playing Wii Tennis. Do you remember Wii Tennis? They are playing Wii Tennis, yeah.
00:45:25
Speaker
And then is the most toxic scene in the movie ah where he is describing how ah this is before they they start dating. They're on the elevator and he says, how was your weekend? And she says, it was good. And he endlessly debates this with his dude bro friends And he's like, can you believe that shit? Can you believe she would say that? That means she was spent all weekend having sex with ah with some guy she met at the gym. And like he's so possessive of her. and So possessive. And hasn't even been on a date with her. and He hasn't even had more than a conversation with her.
00:46:01
Speaker
He's so toxic. And like that is unremarkable. That is not something that... like like is addressed in the movie at all. Like that is all treated as like normal boy behavior in this movie.
00:46:13
Speaker
I mean, they do kind of address it in the conversation though. His friends, like Matthew Grubler is just like, um, that seems a little nuts. Like they are telling him this seems really dumb just because someone said how their weekend was.
00:46:27
Speaker
um yeah yeah yeah but it's like it's supposed to be they're they're taking it like he's exaggerating instead of like he's being a toxic ah like sex piece of shit you know what i mean yeah yeah i don't know and then there's a thing where it's like he said have you said anything to her and then it cuts to to her saying do you need anything and he says i think you know what i need which is like right just straight up sexual harassment in the office sexual harassment and then he says uh toner yeah yeah um and then it plays the smiths please please please let me have one yeah get what i want oh another then he plays it in the office and he turns it up loud as she's leaving to like see if she'll like come over and say hi like he's trying to like bait her yeah was 2009 the time of the the um disaster artist or not the disaster artist the um the pickup artist
00:47:23
Speaker
Oh, I have no idea. You're talking about that guy? Yeah, this all feels very like toxic male how to pick up a girl-y. Yeah, I mean, probably. The specific... I mean, they've kind of always existed. looks like it started in 1967. The pickup artist? Yeah.
00:47:45
Speaker
seven pick up um Yeah, i mean, like, that's when, like, the, like, Pickup Artist started. I mean, the movie The Pickup Artist was, are you talking about the VH1 TV show, The Pickup Artist?
00:47:59
Speaker
I'm talking about that weird dude with the terrible hat that told guys to wear terrible hats. Yeah, I don't know who that guy is. But yeah, there was a VH1 show. I it was a VH1 guy. There was a VH1 show about pickup artists called, oh, Mystery. Yes, yes. His name is Mystery. totally you know who you're talking about. yes Yeah. He sucks.
00:48:19
Speaker
Yes, that was on the VH1 show from 2007 and 2008. Yeah. And there was a book called The Game, which was a huge bestseller about- ah suppose Originally, it was like a journalist infiltrating pickup artist and like we're supposed to write an expose, ze but it turned into like a how to manual.
00:48:39
Speaker
Yeah, when I worked at Barnes and Noble, that was one of like five books we had to keep behind the counter because it would get stolen every time we put it on the shelf. Like no one ever bought that book. yeah There's that, and then there's called the 42 Rules of Power, which is ah the most popular book checked out of prison libraries.
00:48:55
Speaker
What? It's just this other thing. it's like just It's like psychological warfare kind of thing. it's like they're They're all like yeah they're really shitty men.
00:49:06
Speaker
Oh. ah But yeah, we could not, both of those books, I can't remember what some of the others were, but there were like, there was a list of books we had to keep behind the counter because if we put it on the shelf, it would be gone.
00:49:16
Speaker
Yeah. It would get stolen. That's disgusting. you're going to be a terrible person, at least pay money. yeah Exactly, yeah. Yeah.
00:49:29
Speaker
So, ah yeah, and then they go to karaoke. And of course, you have to have Zooey Deschanel sing. it's and and It's probably in her contract for real. Probably. Because I don't think I've ever seen a movie or a TV show where she didn't sing.
00:49:42
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, I agree. It happens in every single one. Did she sing in that terrible movie we watched with her? What was it? oh Matthew McConaughey and no she did not she did not failure to watch in failure to launch she did not sing in failure to launch to my memory but I blacked out a lot of that movie so yeah there could have been an entire musical sequence she might have sung to try to catch the bird i don't remember that's true um She sings Sugar Town by Nancy Sinatra, which is perfect Zooey Deschanel-like bait.
00:50:19
Speaker
yeah Yep. What is more to eat than a Nancy Sinatra deep cut? If you were trying to catch... A Zooey Deschanel. um You can just place like a box with a stick and then like a little gramophone playing Nancy Sinatra. Yep.
00:50:35
Speaker
You might also want to include some ballet flats, a very fun eclectic purse, and some polka dot, a polka dotted Peter Pan collared shirt.
00:50:49
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. um And ah she again tells him that she doesn't want a boyfriend. um She says, I like being on my on my own. i yeah She told him what she wanted and he believed he could change her with his magic dick, which is yeah not something that lot you can do. Yeah, but it's not something you can do.
00:51:12
Speaker
It's like, you know how people make fun of girls for going after bad boys saying, but I can change him. Like, this is the same thing. Like, yeah, he thinks he can change her. Yeah.
00:51:23
Speaker
You cannot fuck someone in. You cannot fuck someone into changing their personality. i mean, you can, but it's not. Smile the pot.
00:51:34
Speaker
But here's the thing, like everybody tries in small ways, at least. Yeah. in in like And like everybody's doing that. Everybody is trying to change. um There is no one, no one at all, never has been and never will be a lover, and ah male or female, who doesn't, hasn't an eye on. In fact, they rely on tricks they can try on their partner.
00:51:55
Speaker
You know, like.
00:51:59
Speaker
Did you just quote? Sorry. I know that I know that, but without the tune, it musical theater or 90s pop?
00:52:10
Speaker
Oh, yes. It's Evita. It's Evita. I was like, I feel like I just watched it. um The best, Andrew Lloyd Webber. um Evita. Yeah, I would agree. Yeah. Glad that we're on the same page.
00:52:23
Speaker
um Yeah, like you can't you can't change somebody. um And we've been taught we've been doing it for as long as humans have been around. That's true. And then he sings Here Comes Your Man, which is a pixie song that sounds like a pop song, but is actually about a bunch of um unhoused people living in a um living in ah in a boxcar that die in an earthquake.
00:52:55
Speaker
Jesus! And Here Comes Your Man is talking about death coming for them. I was going to say, is it the Grim Reaper? Yeah, Here Comes Your Man is is death coming for them. And like that is such a perfect song for him to sing because he thinks it's romantic and actually he hasn't been paying attention.
00:53:16
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. So it's things like that that make me think that like they do know what they're doing, but it's just... yeah It's so... it's so um it's so ambiguous like the movie is constantly trying to saying two things at the same time so well i think that it is a big case of like the script was a little bit more toxic than the director and the cast and producers wanted it to be and so they tried to downplay it and they tried to flip the script without changing too much to where this the screenwriter was like this isn't the movie i made yeah yeah i think so i think that's what happened
00:53:54
Speaker
Um, there's a really, one of my favorite bits is they show this thing where he's goofing at Ikea and she's 100% not having it. And then they immediately cut to,
00:54:06
Speaker
200 days before that where they're goofing off at Ikea and they're both into it i think that's really um that's a very real relationship moment um and it's very sad yeah to sort of like see like the things that you did together before doesn't make that person happy yeah you know and also their reactions to the graduate is a big old well that's much later yeah yeah it's much later yeah um He has an absolutely huge apartment in LA with a kick-ass ah slate wall above his bed that rules. I love that. so
00:54:43
Speaker
It's so cool. In our first apartment in Chicago, we had like a big we had ah a chalkboard in our living room and we would write you know our schedules and like grocery lists and stuff on It was so handy. I really liked it. Yeah.
00:54:56
Speaker
I had one, but it was with like paint markers and the paint markers never really um went away, so I threw it away. Yeah, yeah. And then, um yes, they go to Ikea on their first date, which is very twee. Yeah, a bold move.
00:55:12
Speaker
A bold move. Yeah, and they pretend that the places are their houses, and then they like make out in a bed in Ikea in front of everyone, which is weird. Yeah, and they go, darling, why is there a family in our bedroom?
00:55:26
Speaker
And there's a legit family with two small children just staring at them. And they go, let's run around and cause chaos and not buy anything.
00:55:38
Speaker
This world is about us and your extra is in our movie. yeah um And then they have sex and she's like, I don't want anything serious. And he's like, okay. And then they bang. And then there's the best scene in the movie.
00:55:52
Speaker
Oh yeah, the best scene in the movie, which is the musical sequence um ah where Joseph Gordon-Levitt wakes up and everything's on his side and everyone's wearing blue, which ah first of Emma's fun facts, Emma's fun facts.
00:56:09
Speaker
um One of the costuming rules for this film, I mean, I have done some other fun facts, I will say, so that's not the first of my fun facts. Um, but one of the costuming rules was that nobody else in the movie could wear the color blue except for Zooey Deschanel's Summer.
00:56:24
Speaker
Um, and tro so, so that this, this scene, the music and dance sequence, um, to, oh my God, what is that song?
00:56:35
Speaker
What I want to do. It's Holland Oates. Um, you make my dreams come true. You make my dreams come true. Yeah. Um,
00:56:46
Speaker
ah To make this music and dance sequence all the more powerful because you have everybody in blue showing that he's surrounded by this sort of excitement and like love and um just he's thinking about summer and it's summer that it's the idea of summer is what's making him in such a good mood.
00:57:06
Speaker
yeah He looks at himself in ah in a car mirror and Harrison, young Harrison Ford is his reflection. but Not just young Harrison Ford, Harrison Ford as, what's his name in Star Wars?
00:57:18
Speaker
As Han Solo. as Han Solo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah Yeah. And it's ah it's it's a big dance sequence that everybody is involved in. Like it is a choreographed, like complete but break in reality, which is like- yeah is not, was not as common in 2009 in a, in a realistic, like comedy drama like this. You just didn't see that. And it was really exciting and refreshing to see something like that.
00:57:46
Speaker
One thing that this, like we watched Rye Lane, which for my money is probably one of the best rom-coms of the last like 10 years. Yeah. Agreed. And there's a lot of like, there's a lot of that in this.
00:57:57
Speaker
There's a lot of Rye Lane in this movie too. like Yeah. Yeah. It's very creative ah visually and structurally, and they do a lot of, they they're constantly like having fun with with making the, and presenting the story, which is something that both those movies share in common. I think Rylane is a better movie than this, but because it's not toxic.
00:58:18
Speaker
Yeah, because the characters are better. But, like, I think that... I agree. I think and this is, like, the type of movie that I really love that takes something that's, like, been a story that's been told so many times. Like, you have, like, a thousand gajillion rom-coms.
00:58:32
Speaker
And not only is it sort of, like, twisted on its head in that it's not really a rom-com, it's a rom-com about where, like, they don't get together in the end. Mm-hmm.
00:58:43
Speaker
And, but not only that, it is done in such a creative medium and it shows you things that you've seen before in past movies, but in a different way, like with this sort of song and dance sequence, like the fricking bird comes in and animated bird comes in at one point.
00:58:59
Speaker
It rules. Yeah. It's so good. He like, to he picks up a baseball bat, he hits it and it's just like, it's not without the bird. Not the bird. Yeah.
00:59:11
Speaker
Let me rephrase that. he there I wouldn't be surprised, honestly. Right. Tom sucks. um yeah But but yeah, and like that. And then like, there's just so many moments, like one of my favorite scenes in a movie full stop is the expectation and reality scene in this movie.
00:59:31
Speaker
i think that that is so heart-wrenching and also something that you just relate to so much as just a human being and especially a human being like it like turning in your 20s like when i first saw this like it It is something that like you go into something thinking that it's going to go one way, but it never really goes the way that you plan in your brain.
00:59:54
Speaker
And like, and especially if things sort of derail in a really sad manner and it's not what you're expected, it could be like really heart wrenching. Because you're expecting yourself to be, to be the center of. To be the hero. Yeah.
01:00:10
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Yeah. To, to, yeah. To be the hero is a good, as ah is it's a good word for it because we'll get to that later. Um, So then we we work we jump back to post breakup and Yvette Nicole Brown from Community has replaced Summer at work. She quit. They did not give her enough lines.
01:00:26
Speaker
No. um She has one line, I think. ah she um she ah Summer emails him is like, I hope this means you're ready to be friends. It is not. He does not want to be friends with her.
01:00:38
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Yep. He does not respond to that email. Yeah, they um ah they watch porn and try it. um And it plays Sweet Disposition by the Temper Trap for the first time of two times in the movie.
01:00:53
Speaker
Yep. um God, what a banger. I forgot about Sweet Disposition by the Temper Trap. I mean, this whole soundtrack, I used to just listen to this on. This was my Garden State soundtrack. Like this was this was. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:01:07
Speaker
My thing. I loved the soundtrack. um I would like to see how like how ah how many of these songs are are actually on the soundtrack because you know how like there's always you know some songs the movie that aren't on it and stuff like that yeah this is also around a time that I was really into LimeWire oh sure yeah so who knows yeah who knows I just got all the artists wrong probably right I just i I looked up a like a song list of all the songs in this movie and I downloaded each one I put it on a playlist
01:01:39
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It's like, there is a light that will never go out by, i don't know, you too, REM, somebody from the 80s. Doesn't matter. ah Doesn't matter. the He takes her to the park bench and shows her the, I've got here beauty, question mark, of Los Angeles, question mark.
01:01:59
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mark. none Not known for its architecture, Los Angeles, but I'm going to give it to you. yeah He draws a skyline on her arm, and which is fucking so romantic.
01:02:10
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it's so And it's such a cute little scene. um yeah But Charlie did make a really good point, which is... So, this will take me into the beginning of... Charlie's Corner!
01:02:21
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Charlie's Corner! Charlie's Corner! i Governor! um Charlie... Still really enjoys this movie, loves the creativity of it, as we all do.
01:02:34
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But he thinks that he his first question after that first screenshot was, there were no females involved in the making of this movie were there no definitely not no no no yeah he was like they needed a female voice because so many things that like summer is so wishy-washy in that her character and that sometimes she has agency and sometimes she's just there to literally propel tom's character forward And that's an excellent scene of it, of like, of her just giving him his, ah her arm so that he can like draw on it. Like, it's very twee and very cute.
01:03:13
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But like, why? Yeah. There were two women producers. Okay. But that seems to be about it. Production designer was a woman.
01:03:27
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i mean, it looks great. casting designer i don't know what the casting based on the name i don't know if the casting designer was a man or woman but the casting uh director was a man or woman um but nobody um none of the writers or directors or um or um dp or any of those people were women for sure exactly yeah and it it shows and that that's basically charlie's corner was that it needed more female voice yeah And I don't, yeah. And when when it's a producer based on IMDb, at least it's hard to know.
01:03:58
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um It doesn't, and it doesn't distinguish. Like was that person on set? Is that person an executive at Fox? It's hard to say, yeah you know, you don't, you don't know. Totally. Absolutely. We go off the writers and the director because they're the ones with their fingers most in the pie.
01:04:13
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yeah yeah yeah um so and then i went to imdb on my phone and i lost my notes um yeah so he goes to her apartment her yeah apartment with the beautiful wallpaper it's gorgeous and all of her i'm such a big wallpaper person like i want wallpaper so bad and like we can't have wallpaper in this apartment i really want wallpaper too Stupid wall treatment. um Yeah. Yeah. For years now, um i've I've really been into like reclaiming wallpaper.
01:04:45
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um Because wallpaper went out of fashion for a while, but I'm into it. Oh, I'm 100% into it. And the narrator's like, he let he's let her in. she's let He's let her behind her walls. He's let her closer than anyone else. And she even says, when she tells him a story, she's like, I've never told anyone that before.
01:05:01
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Yeah. Yeah. and So like, i think that he thinks that she's falling in love with him, but she's still not. She's not. She's just becoming close, a closer friend. Like she's just bound making a bond.
01:05:15
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Yeah. And he is like, he wants to ask her, are we boyfriend and girlfriend? And he asks his little sister and she's like, don't be a pussy. Like, yeah. And she's right. That's the thing. Like, you just have to, you have to communicate. You have to, to ask people these things like, and then yeah she doesn't like, he tries to bring it up and she kind of shoots it down. And so he gets his answer, but he just refuses to listen.
01:05:40
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Yeah. Throughout the rest of this movie. Oh yeah. He refuses to listen to that. He refuses to bring it up again. And all of these like really important questions he's asking his sister and his friends first when he should just be asking Summer first. And they're constantly like, why are you asking us this?
01:05:56
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Yeah. um They go to a bar, she gets hit on by this asshole, and yeah he punches him and gets his ass kicked. And then she's mad at him. And he's like, why are you mad at me? And she's like, what's wrong with you?
01:06:09
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yeah um Which is like a good point. He didn't have to do that. No, even if they were in a in in a ah relationship, there's no reason to do that. ah much But his point is like, you're saying we're friends and we're not, which he is right. She is not treating him like a friend, but he does it in the most like asshole-ish way. He's like, yeah I demand, I say we're a couple, God damn and he has this little tantrum and he's just so exhausting and then she apologizes to him yeah that's the scene that both charlie and i were like like why are we what why are we going back on sort of like where we were going in this movie why is she the one that comes to him like i feel like it would make more sense if he goes to her and be like i'm so sorry
01:07:01
Speaker
But he never backs down. Like he always thinks that he's right throughout yeah the entire movie. Really until really until the end, I would say, like, does she finally start to convince him? But like she said, he says, I need to to know that you won't wake up in the morning and feel differently. And she's like, I can't give you that.
01:07:18
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But no one can. And she's right. And he's deluding himself. Yeah, exactly. He's just not listening. they play the penis game which was uh very popular when i was in high school um oh yeah super fun penis which is if for people who might not know is where you keep trying saying the word penis louder and louder in a public place uh whoever says it the loudest wins um uh she's bisexual which i appreciate yep i appreciate representation
01:07:53
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they ah They go to a movie called Vagiant, part vampire, part giant. I want to see that movie. I don't know. Maybe I just, my mind goes elsewhere. When I see the word Vagiant, vampire giant is not what I think of.
01:08:12
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I think that's the point. it's It's a bad title. It should have been Javampire. yeah joe joe got pyre i don't know gap pyre gap pyre yeah but giant is the only way to do it really so then he goes to the movies by himself and watches a bunch of like parodies of art films um bergman movies uh persona and the seventh seal and ingrid bergman movies
01:08:47
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That's right. and And he's a he's a real gloomy Gus and he goes to work and Clark Gregg is like, we're going to put you on funerals and sympathy.
01:08:58
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yeah ah you know No reason to live. That's perfect for you. Yep. yep Which is just like, isn't that the opposite of what funerals and sympathy should say?
01:09:09
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it know certainly is. yeah Yeah. Those are not going to be good sympathy cards for sure. Don't give a depressed guy that job. Yeah, he goes on a blind date and I don't know why his friends would would ah would subject that poor woman to him. They think that he can fuck his way out of being in love with Summer.
01:09:29
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Yeah. But he doesn't because he won't shut up about her on the blind date. And she's like, hey, are you stupid? Yeah. Hey, you know how you're kind of dumb? Yeah. Well, you're dumb. To quote from previous week's movie.
01:09:43
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Oh, yeah. ah you know how you're a dumb guy? Yeah. You know how you're a dumb guy? oh And then he sings Stand By Me by The Clash. Yeah.
01:09:54
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And she leaves, thank God. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, why did she even go to a second location with him? Do not go to a second location with don't go with a yeah loser like that. Yeah. like he They went to this like diner restaurant place where they're getting drinks.
01:10:09
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And like, she's obviously having a terrible time. And then he's like, you know what we should do? We should go karaoke. That is the moment they go, oh, you know what? I gotta go. gotta wake up really early for work.
01:10:22
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So got stuff to Yeah, I got stuff to do. a um And then he goes to a wedding in Santa Barbara and runs into her on the train. It's day 408. So we've jumped past to the breakup and now he hasn't seen her in a long time.
01:10:36
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And she's nice to him because she doesn't understand that he's a psychopath. Yeah, exactly. She's like, oh, my God. how's it going? Because it's been a minute since they've broken up and they haven't seen each other. And of course, they like get coffee and they're having a really good time and like really bonding. Disposition by the temper trap again. They play sweet disposition. Maybe it was their song.
01:10:58
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um it's like it uh and they go to this very like sweet wedding um and he goes oh yeah ah why are you going to this wedding and she goes well we all worked together because it's for a co-worker yeah yeah yeah and she's like i love is it gladys or whatever her name is it's minnie it's uh it's the older woman who's a character actress i can't think of the name of she's in tons of stuff she was so funny yeah she was on bones She was on Bones. She was freaking Bones.
01:11:32
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God, was she like the... the the i guess I guess she was medical examiner. She was like the head of the FBI or something. She had some kind of She had like a major role.
01:11:45
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was on Bones. Yeah, love her. Which is how I know her. ah And they go to her wedding, which is very sweet and cute and lovely and has a great band. They play Ice Mushaboom, which is yeah the most Zooey Deschanel song not recorded by Zooey Deschanel.
01:12:04
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Right, right. And um he, you know, they're having good time because they're friends. And he goes, would you like to dance? And she goes, yeah, sure. um And so they dance.
01:12:16
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And Summer thinks that this is like a very friendly sort of like, you know, rock back and forth sort waltzy dance. And then they stop and then they clap. It lasts maybe 30 seconds.
01:12:28
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um but tom thinks this is them getting back together because then she's like do you want to come i'm having a party at my house on friday do you want to come and he goes i would love to come he misinterprets it because he sucks yep because he sucks and this is where we get the expectation and reality scene ah which is a split screen of um on the left hand side, you have the scene happening in the way that Tom expects it to happen where he goes.
01:12:58
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He and Summer, um he gives Summer a present, which is a book, ah which is the book that he was reading that she points out. She's like, that looks like a good book. And she like really loves it. She's very enthusiastic. She spends the entire party talking to him.
01:13:11
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um They make out. um It ends with them together um versus reality where he goes and she's very friendly to him, but like she's off being a hostess. I'm pretty sure this is her engagement party.
01:13:26
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um um i i feel like he would definitely notice if it was her engagement party right i always interpreted it it and that it was her engagement party but it was just mean you could be right summer and it's so downplayed yeah um and so she's off you know being a hostess and like introducing because her then boyfriend is there and she's introducing him to people And um he doesn't know anyone. So he's standing off in the corner by himself.
01:13:54
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And then it is her engagement party because she shows off her engagement ring. And that's what Tom sees. And he freaks out. And he storms off and leaves.
01:14:05
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And it plays Hero by Regina Spector, which is a great song. Yep. Which include, like, include the lyrics. He never saw it coming at all. And it also says, I'm the hero of this story. I don't need to be saved, which are very, like, you know.
01:14:21
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yeah like he is like he keeps considering himself to be the main character and he's not he's not not in her life yeah exactly and he needs to like take a chill pill and sort of reevaluate the his life which is well first we have to go on a downward spiral we thought that we had downward tom a downward spiral but no we can go even further um And this is the moment he goes, he shows, well, he doesn't go to work for a few days.
01:14:50
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He just buys bourbon and orange juice in his bathrobe. And then he finally goes back to work and his friend is like, dude, where have you been? I've been calling you like for and every five minutes.
01:15:03
Speaker
And he's like, this year doesn't matter. Life is terrible. And he's like, you want to talk about it He's like, no. Oh, that's weird. um Clue number one, things are not. well with Tom.
01:15:15
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um And ah then he's just like, well, it's it's Thursday. It's the big pitch meeting, which I guess at this greeting card company, every Thursday, they meet around the table and they pitch their ideas and they talk about where what they're going to do next to Agent Coulson, who I forget the actress name.
01:15:35
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Clark Gregg. Clark Gregg. and um Mr. year Jennifer Gray. sorry Mr. Jennifer Grey. He's married Jennifer Grey. married to Jennifer Grey? I did not know that.
01:15:48
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and For like 30 years, yeah. And that's a Katie's fun fact. Katie's fun fact. um And this is where we get one of the best ideas, I think, in the entire movie.
01:16:03
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which is go for it or you can do it.
01:16:10
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Which are two giant pictures of a cat reaching for things. And the person presenting this is like, these are more inspirational but quote cards from my line of greeting cards with featuring Pickles, my cat.
01:16:25
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And I wrote, I'd absolutely fucking buy a Pickles card. You bet I'd buy a Pickles card. I'd buy five. I don't think the people who made this movie put any research into how a greeting card company works because I'm pretty sure that pitching other mother's day is not something that greeting card companies actually do.
01:16:49
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other mother's day. ah mother's day their mother's day just a picture of uh coralline's mom with the button eyes yep um and then it's like these are cards that you wrote and it's like i don't i don't think that's how it works i don't know maybe i'm wrong maybe that is how greeting card companies work seems like a big job yeah it's all ai generated now oh oh definitely most definitely um So ah then he is talking to his sister and she's like, you know, you're only remembering the good stuff. The next time you look back, you
Misunderstanding The Graduate's Ending
01:17:28
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should look again. And then we have this montage of kind of he starts to see the cracks forming before he did in in real life.
01:17:36
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Yeah. And um it's playing um it's playing um bookends by Simon and Garfunkel. They go to see The Graduate, which is like the big thing. And she's crying at the end of that movie. And he's not because he still doesn't understand The Graduate.
01:17:51
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still doesn't understand. He still doesn't get the ending. um Spoilers for Graduate, I guess. But the whole yeah point of The Graduate is... Is that it's about this.
01:18:02
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know how he You know how you're a dumb guy. Dustin Hoffman. um It's about Dustin Hoffman. Being an idiot. He's just graduated from college. He doesn't know what he's doing. like it's It's very Garden State. He's being a dumb bitch.
01:18:17
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He ends up having an affair. With his girlfriend's mom. In that movie. And the girlfriend finds out about it and she breaks up with him and he gets sad and sits at the bottom of a swimming pool in scuba gear.
01:18:30
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And she goes, she's going to get married to somebody else. And he runs to the wedding, stops the wedding And the two of them, she she goes with them and the two of them go and get on a bus and are driving away.
01:18:43
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And then the realization hits them that this is a terrible idea. What the fuck are we doing? And it's it's not stated. It's just you see it on their faces and that's how the movie ends.
01:18:54
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Oh, see, always read ah men Oh, sorry. I always read it in that she realizes what a terrible mistake this is and he just doesn't get Oh, you're right, you're right, you're right yeah, yeah, he doesn't get it. He's constantly just still smiling, he's like, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah but like, her face falls, and she's like, yeah what the fuck did I just do?
01:19:15
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Yes. Oh my god. She just ran out on her wedding with this idiot who fucked her mom. Yeah, exactly. Which is just like, dumb bitch. Yeah. And so a generation of men, like, didn't understand that movie. Yeah.
01:19:33
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and And it's funny how these movies that that that quote it and that go back to it end up being misunderstood by later generations of men. Like like Garden State and this movie both owe a lot to The Graduate.
01:19:47
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And in this movie, they're explicitly pointing out how he misunderstands The Graduate. Exactly. Which is bill good. think, still misunderstand this movie. yeah Yeah. Oh, yeah.
01:19:59
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This movie, generations of men continue to misunderstand this movie. Yeah. Yeah. And so I think that that when what this movie is doing is like she sees herself as Elaine in The Graduate and she can't quite shake it that she doesn't need to be with this guy.
01:20:14
Speaker
Yeah. She doesn't want to be with him anymore. Yeah, they do have a fairly subtle thing where she he's like, you want to get some food? And he she's like, no, I kind of just want to go home. And he's like, I got it. Pancakes.
01:20:26
Speaker
Because she's trying to get out of it. And then we know, it doesn't show that scene then, but we saw it out of sequence earlier, that when she breaks up with him, they're eating pancakes. So we know that that happened right before she breaks up with him.
01:20:37
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but Exactly. i as ah As a writer who tends to write things um out of chronological sequence, like the i like writing things in an emotional arc makes more sense to me as a writer. i totally I love that when you leave something open like that and make the audience make the connection themselves instead of spelling it out to them. I just i really appreciate when movies and plays do that. so Oh, absolutely. Yeah, it's really lovely.
01:21:07
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um And then he decides to get his life together.
Protagonist's Journey to Self-Improvement
01:21:11
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Finally. Finally. So he goes to the library and he reads a bunch of books about architecture and he goes, I can do it.
01:21:19
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And he draws some buildings. Yeah. And he draws some buildings on his chalk wall and he goes, yep, I got this. And then he goes to a bunch of, um he like gives himself goals and like goes to all the architecture firms in LA and drops off his portfolio. Nobody's calling him back.
01:21:37
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And so he's like frustrated. He's wearing a suit. She's getting married at the same time. We have another split screen while he's like getting his life together. She's getting married. And um then he's like been dropping off his portfolio at a bunch of places and he's frustrated. So he decides to go to his spot.
01:21:54
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He decides to go to his little lookout spot. And he goes there to sit and look and get inspired. And wouldn't you know it? Summer's there. And she goes, oh, my God, was wondering if I'd see you here.
01:22:10
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I really enjoyed this place since you first showed it to me. um And, ah and yeah, and so then they, they have this nice little conversation where um he is like, why, why I heard that you got married?
01:22:26
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Why not me? Which again is like, continues to be shitty to her. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, dude, this isn't about you. You didn't date for that. Fine. Whatever.
01:22:37
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And um she goes, well, ah and she has this perfect line, which I love, which is she goes, i just I woke up one day and I knew. and he goes, knew what? And she goes, what I was never sure about with you.
01:22:51
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And yeah and sir that is, i think, a really great encapsulation of what like love is and like how you know your person is just like there's no rhyme or reason. You can't force it. You can't like make it happen because he's talking about how he's like, i am thank you for waking me up from like all of this like love bullshit nonsense. things She goes, no, no, no.
01:23:12
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It's like while he was falling out of love. she was falling in it and she's discovered that like love could be possible. And she's gotten married because it just happened.
01:23:23
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And he thinks that there's no hope anymore. And so she's like, well, you know, it worked out for me. i just, you know, we just, if I, fate is still a thing. i met this, the guy that I'm married to, because I went to a diner and I was reading again, twee alert, twee alert, Dorian Gray. Yeah.
01:23:46
Speaker
And he came up and asked me about it, which red flag number one, he didn't he wasn't asking you about Dorian Gray. He's read that book in high school. i
01:23:57
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He's asking you about it as a pick of line. Maybe he was like, hey, are you in high school? Because I read that in high school. I read that in high school. um How's 11th grade going?
01:24:08
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Yeah.
01:24:12
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And, um, and she was like, if I, if I hadn't gone to that diner that, or that deli that day, if I had been there 10 minutes later, if I hadn't decided to read that book that day, like none of that would have, I would have never met the guy who's become my husband.
01:24:27
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Um, so there's still hope out there for you. You're just ah basically in a lot of words. She says, your person is still out there. It just, it was not me. It was never me. So stop. It's not that she didn't want love. She just didn't love him.
01:24:42
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Exactly. Which happens. That is life. You know? And then we get, he goes to one final little um ah interview at a gorgeous building with his little portfolio.
01:24:58
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Right? and It's so fancy. um And he walks in and he sits down and wouldn't you know it, Minka Kelly's there.
01:25:09
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um lila garrity herself minka kelly uh this would have been directly i think this would have been season two of friday night lights um oh really yeah hot off of that you still have you haven't watched friday night lights i have not watched it i only know minka kelly because she's friends with the britannic guys oh there you go um you didn't watch parenthood either she was on parenthood no i didn't watch that either Both of those shows, written by the same, show run by the same guy. um
01:25:41
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ah Both really good shows. Friday Night Lights, one of my favorite TV shows of all time. um Yeah. Fucking fantastic Listeners of the pod will know. um and uh and yeah and they strike up a conversation she's an architect also and she says like ah hey i've seen you at that bench over on watch macallit yeah he's like oh i've i've never i've never noticed you there before um she's like that's one of my favorite places in the city he's like oh me too and like the immediate thing is they're bonding over something that they actually have in common yep um yeah and
01:26:14
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And she's like, well, I guess you just weren't looking for me. Yeah. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. They're both applying for the same job. And he's like, well, I hope you don't get it. And she's like, I hope you don't get it. Right. And he's like, hey, do you want to go on a date? And at first she's like, no. And then she changes her mind and says yes.
01:26:30
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Yep. And he's like, i'm I'm Tom. And she goes, Autumn. And then he looks at the camera. yeah it cuts to the the animation thing and it goes one and that's how it ends and that's yeah i wrote uh that's pretty good man that's what i wrote in my notes it's pretty good man yeah but i mean like it does also led me to believe that if they wanted to they could turn tom into a serial killer yeah I mean, this is this is a couple of steps so what moved away from the television series You, for sure, I think.
01:27:07
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ah Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like this is like, he's starting his pattern over again. He's getting into it. He's going to get stalkery about Autumn. And then we get 500 Days of Autumn.
01:27:18
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And then at the end of that, he kills her. And then we move on to fight Winter? Winter, A girl with the With Winter, yeah.
01:27:29
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the unlikely name of winter but winter yeah yeah the likeliest name of all spring brig spring yeah spring spring happy baby here is spring she could be april or may or something yeah exactly exactly and it could be like december or like january january jones it's january january jones yeah well that's 500 days summer summer You got any other thoughts? It's complicated. It's complicated.
01:28:02
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i love this movie so much, but it's so toxic. It really is. um It's still very watchable and very likable movie. yeah Yeah. I'm trying to see if there's anything I i skipped out. um I think that it's like...
01:28:20
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Oh, sorry. He asked his sister, what do you what do you know about PMS? And she goes, more than you, Tom. Yeah. Yeah. ah com more Chloe Grace Moritz as a child actor, like really killed it for a few years.
01:28:32
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So good. So fucking good. Oh, yeah. Other thing where there's a it's later in their relationship, she's like, we've been like Sid and Nancy for for months now. And he's like, Sid stabbed Nancy seven times. I hardly think I'm Sid Vicious. And she goes, no, no I'm Sid. Sid.
01:28:49
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And he goes, oh, so I'm Nancy? is like one of the most quotable lines from this movie. It's so great. And um at the time they made a, um I don't know if it was promotion for the film or if it was like to help them get into character for the film, but Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Zooey Deschanel and the director made a short film for YouTube, I think.
01:29:11
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of ah them recreating a famous fight scene from the Sid Vicious movie where she's Sid Vicious. Yeah, where she's Sid and he's Nancy. It's great.
01:29:22
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It's great. I remember watching it. Yeah, it's really cool. um It's real dumb and fun.
Reflecting on Past Relationships
01:29:28
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and um And yeah, i think I think this movie is a great encapsulation of what it's like to look back on your twenty s Yeah. um so next episode, we are doing a special.
Upcoming Crossover Episode Announcement
01:29:43
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We are doing a crossover episode with our friends at the Horrorwood podcast.
01:29:48
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And we are going to be talking about classic screwball comedy, My Man Godfrey from the 30s, I think. I'm not sure what year it came out, but it's you should watch it. It's super fun. I promise.
01:30:04
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yeah And we are going to be talking about kind of the behind the scenes tragedy of um of Carol Lombard, the the main actress in that ah movie with um with those guys over there. You should check out their podcast. They talk about true crime in Hollywood, um tragedies in in Hollywood, um all kinds of stuff like that. And spoiler alert, there's a lot.
01:30:31
Speaker
ah Yeah, yeah, as you might expect, yeah. And they are much more popular than we are. so And they're much more researched.
01:30:42
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Oh, yes. As we repeatedly say, we are not a research podcast. The most research we do for this is Emma looks up at the IMDB trivia and I don't. Yes, exactly. Exactly.
01:30:53
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um This is really the crossover episode for my mom. Shout out to Donna Palizza because she is a fan of both our podcast and Horrorwood. So much so she's on their Patreon.
01:31:04
Speaker
She subscribes to their Patreon. Wow. so she definitely the only person who listens to both podcasts already i'm sure she's so excited about this so i'm very very excited to um give this as a little gift to my mom but also to hang out with um our friends over at horrorwood and talk about really fun um screwball comedy yeah And her name is Kate and my name is Katie. And so that's going to be super confusing, I'm sure. It's going to be super confusing. We will find a fun way to figure that out.
01:31:40
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As long as we don't put all of our initials in a row.
01:31:47
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Uh, yeah. Yeah. Not even going to finish that joke. You guys can finish it yourself. Um, uh, The other host name is Kevin.
01:31:59
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There it is. i
01:32:06
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01:32:19
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01:32:30
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01:32:40
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That's me. God damn it. And me at katieofthelake. Until next time, we're just two girls standing in front of the internet asking it to love us.
01:32:54
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Nice.