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DLC 19. Convergence - The Last of Us S2E7 Spoilercast
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Transcript
Introduction to the Special Episode
00:00:29
Speaker
Alright, welcome to a very special episode of Games Over Plastic. This is an ongoing series in which we've been reviewing The Last of Us Season 2, and this is the finale episode, so you've been joining us, thank you so much.
00:00:43
Speaker
um Today, am joined, as always, by one of my co-hosts, Hodge. Hodge, how are you? I'm good. I am back in the north. I'm back from Florida. So I just finished this episode and i have thoughts, but we will get into it. Happy to be here.
00:00:59
Speaker
Yeah. Unfortunately, Midnight is having major Internet issues on this Memorial Day here in America. His Internet is unfortunately out, which means because it's Memorial Day, ah it's very unlikely that he will get it back today, unfortunately.
00:01:13
Speaker
yeah. Because not a lot of people have work today, um unfortunately. Well, or fortunately, depending on who you are. um yeah So we am also joined by lockmot Lock Mort. Lock, how you doing, bud?
00:01:26
Speaker
Hello. Hello, sir always Always nice to see you guys. Yeah, did starting to turn into me filling in whenever one of you guys gets get sick or or drunk or hangover death or whatever. But always happy to see you guys. Always happy to be here. Yeah.
00:01:42
Speaker
Well, we're happy you're here. um So before we get into the episode, though, again, this is ah if you're watching on YouTube, this is also an audio format on podcasts, wherever you listen. You
Podcast Availability and Release Schedule
00:01:52
Speaker
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00:01:56
Speaker
um Please like and subscribe. That'd be nice. Leave us comments, leave us reviews. Our mainline episodes go up every other Saturday. um well we record every other Saturday. they go up every other Monday. But honestly, we do so many DLCs now. It's like basically you you're looking at like Basically, almost like three or four episodes a month, almost, basically.
00:02:16
Speaker
Usually, yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. um Well, we're going to get into the season
Did the Finale Do Justice to the Season?
00:02:22
Speaker
finale. Before we dive into the episode, though, let's get our overall thoughts on the entire um season in general.
00:02:29
Speaker
and How we thought the finale, did the finale do it justice? Did save it? Did it make it worse? um Hodge, let's start with you. um Well, before me, let's I'm going to read ah what Midnight wrote because he couldn't join us. So I'm just going he gave me bullet points of his thoughts on this episode in the season as a whole. So he said, good episode overall. It's a pepperoni on the scale from ah anchovies to anchovies.
00:02:52
Speaker
to Bacon. And ah he said the season was a big downgrade over season one. Horrible casting on Bella. Horrible. ah When the shirt off scene happened, he's praying to God, please don't show it.
00:03:03
Speaker
Usually the opposite of how he is when a woman takes her shirt off. The cliffhanger ending was good, although it's obvious she's not dead, which we'll obviously get to. And then he's not excited about season three basically starting over, but with Abby, which was actually how I felt in the game. So I understand that that feeling, but ah So, yeah,
Hodge and Lock's Critique on Casting
00:03:21
Speaker
those are Midnight's thoughts. But my thoughts were the season overall.
00:03:25
Speaker
ah I didn't hate it. i and i enjoyed it for what it was. ah Surprisingly, well, because I said this before. I don't know if i said this to you, Locke, but the first 10 hours of The Last of Us Part 2, other than the bigot sandwich part at the beginning, I can't stand that. I don't like Dina.
00:03:40
Speaker
But yeah. Other than that, the first 10 hours, I loved the game. I thought it was on par with the first Last of Us game. I thought it was fantastic playing as Ellie going through Seattle and doing everything.
00:03:52
Speaker
It was when it does what they're going to season three, where it just is like, all right, back to the future or back to the beginning. But with the new thing, that's kind of when the game went downhill for me a little bit. But so I enjoyed that part of the game, which is why this season is For as critical as I am of the game, this was a step down from the game.
00:04:09
Speaker
ah It was good. Again, Bella, horrible, horrible casting. ah She did not act very well in this finale at all. Like, I didn't... I've seen moments of her in this season where i was like oh, maybe...
00:04:22
Speaker
Maybe she's got it, but this not at all. um this But so, yeah, the season overall stepped down. It definitely is a step down from the first season of the show, even though thankfully they didn't do any bill doesn't make sense why it's included type episode.
00:04:35
Speaker
um But yeah, overall, I liked it ah worse than the game, though, but still quality, especially for people if they've never played the game. It's obviously just a new show to them. It it would be the same as me saying, like, well, I read the Game of Thrones books on the show. It's like it basically be the same thing is. But I never read it, obviously, but.
00:04:51
Speaker
Um, but, and the finale, uh, actually I thought it was really weak. Uh, we'll get into it of course, but, uh, but overall season it was, it was decent. It was pretty good, but yeah.
00:05:02
Speaker
i Lock. What about you? Well, it's it's tough because you're you're you're not allowed to say that Bella Ramsey is bad um because people get upset and then you're just not allowed to be mean to a little girl, I guess. um But i think she ruined I think she ruined The Last of Us, to be honest. um it It cemented it in this episode for me because the episode itself was pretty good to me because the exact same things that happened in the game or almost the exact same things happened in this episode. They're
00:05:34
Speaker
wasn't a whole lot of changes. ah But the the reason it wasn't good to me was because of Bella Ramsey or because of Ellie. I think this Ellie is and is um is an asshole and an idiot.
00:05:45
Speaker
and i I don't want my Ellie to be an asshole and an idiot. um So I thought the season overall, I think they added a couple of really great scenes like Eugene.
A Non-Gamer's Perspective on the Season
00:05:55
Speaker
I love that scene. I thought that was great.
00:05:57
Speaker
Great acting too. I thought Pedro Pascal was awesome. I even think Tommy is is pretty good when you see him. Jesse is awesome. I like that actor a lot. I love the way he portrayed him. like Dina a lot. um But Ellie is just ah awful.
00:06:11
Speaker
Awful. But ah yeah, I thought the season was okay. I thought the finale finale was okay. okay Could have been better. um it's it's ah it's it's a bit of a shame, I think. yeah ah My thoughts, the finale was okay. I didn't think it was the best. It's not nowhere near like the best episode, but it's not near the worst for me. But I totally agree with you guys about you know Bella being... could potentially have ruined the season. like I know she is... so eie video game Ellie and season two Ellie are so different. like
00:06:44
Speaker
She is so much weaker. She is so much more bratty in this game. Um... that taste for vengeance is there sometimes, but not always there. And in the game, it was so much more prevalent. Like she's like, I'm on a mission to do this.
00:07:00
Speaker
Whereas in this game, it was like in the season, it was like not there. And then, so when they do go there, like the part with, um, um my gosh why am I forgetting uh Nora yeah Nora like that part like
Differences Between Show and Game Finale
00:07:13
Speaker
it's kind of out of like if you're just watching the show it's kind of out of character because you're like where is this coming from whereas in the game it's like oh this totally fits um I think Dina and Jesse show Dina and Jesse are so much better than game Dina and Jesse they do a great job it was almost like the show was centered around Dina rather than Ellie which was kind of weird to me um considering she's not
00:07:36
Speaker
She's a shes ah ah main character, but she's not like the main, main character. um But I totally agree with you about the Bella Ramsey. Also, um the only thing I really didn't like, they made like one subtle change to this finale, like in the game.
00:07:53
Speaker
They had Ellie go to the Seraphite's Island, the Scars Island, which wasn't in the game. And they have her hanging for like 20 seconds. And then she just gets out of it. Like, I was like, what? yeah Like, well why include that?
00:08:05
Speaker
i feel like they only did it to, I mean, I guess we we can get into it later when we get to that scene. But yeah, that was so weird. Um, but I will give you the reaction from a non video game player.
00:08:17
Speaker
Um, so someone who was not played the first game or the second game for my mom, she loved the season. She thought it was great. Um, she is, she thinks Ellie's dead. She thinks they're all dead other than, and she's like, Oh my gosh, now we're going to go back to Abby. And she thinks this is going to be like Abby side of the story and then it's end.
00:08:34
Speaker
Um, but she is excited. I am excited for season three though. Um, I like Abby as a character. I thought that part of the game was really strong. I know, um, very divisive amongst the community.
00:08:45
Speaker
um So I am looking forward to it. But again, we're going to have to wait till probably like 2027. mean... mean which kind of i I will say of the Abbey section that it's honestly one of my favorite parts of the entire game is the hotel section. And I hope they do that justice in season three. That that scene.
00:09:02
Speaker
But ah it's in the episode. Actually, you can see in the distance, you see the hotel with the downed thing. And I was like, oh, there it is. But Leonardo Caprio meme point meme. Yeah. I also love when ah that whole Abby section at the end was kind of like a, almost like a one for one shot of the game when she walks out and you just, it pans out and it's like that's the Seahawks football stadium where they all are. think that was really cool. I love that scene.
00:09:29
Speaker
Yeah, the though, I will say at the end of the I mean, I guess we can also just get into it. But I was going to say it was the third episode in a row where it ended with basically the opening scene of the next episode. And it was so weird to me because like it was the thing of she beats the shit out of Nora. She says in this episode, she didn't actually kill her. So she just beat the living shit out of her and let her left her there to turn.
00:09:54
Speaker
And then it cuts to her waking up and Joel's like, hey,
Ellie's Character Motivations
00:09:57
Speaker
kiddo. And then the next episode, it's the Joel episode. And then it ends with her back at the theater. And it's just like, and so this one, it ends.
00:10:05
Speaker
It ends. It cuts to black. I thought that was the end of the episode. And then it's just like all of a sudden, day one, Seattle. There's Abby. I'm like, why are they doing that? Like every episode has ended with the beginning of the next episode. And it's, i don't know. It felt, it doesn't feel like.
00:10:18
Speaker
natural to me to have that but I don't know it might just be me but to me it feels like an HBO show made by HBO fans but not by actually HBO people um that's what it feels like to me but maybe I'm wrong I don't know yeah no I can understand what you're saying alright well let's get into episode yeah let's get into it right away so episode starts out we get Jesse pulling the arrow out of Dina's leg ah he presses R1, gets that arrow out.
00:10:49
Speaker
Um, and Jesse's kind of freaking out because obviously he still loves Dina and he's trying to, he's, he's rubbing the alcohol on her and then he offers Dina a drink and she does not take it. And then, um, that obviously brings red flags to Jesse right away.
00:11:06
Speaker
um Yeah. But before that, ah it opens with just showing the the walkie talkie on the table and you can hear Abby talking on it. So it's kind of like they're ignoring the fact that the person that they're looking for is actually actively on on the mic or the headset or whatever. And they're not paying attention because obviously they're doing the arrow thing.
00:11:31
Speaker
But yeah, thought that scene was done fairly well. She just gets sidelined because she's pregnant. She never gets hurt the game, right?
00:11:42
Speaker
Uh... ah Later on, I guess. no Yeah, later on she does when Abby comes back to the theater. yeah but not the flow Yeah, she's sidelined because she's pregnant. yeah Yeah, okay. yeah Overall, thought it was a scene though. Ellie comes back to the theater. They talk about where they've been. Ellie kind of reveals...
00:12:03
Speaker
She goes in and she's kind of all messed up and they go see, she goes and sees Dina in the dressing room. Um, and Dina starts cleaning her, which is very interesting. Um, cause she notices that she's all beat up, um, takes her shirt off obviously. And, you know, um, Dina starts giving a little sponge bath, cleaning up those scars.
00:12:22
Speaker
Um, I thought this was all right. I mean, we get more, i mean, we get a little bit of backstory about like what Ellie actually did to, uh, Nora. She said it was easy to torture um Nora, easier than she thought.
00:12:36
Speaker
She also reveals to Dino what Joel did in Salt Lake City, and that's exactly why this is happening.
00:12:45
Speaker
no What do you think, Locke, of this? the scene is beautiful in the game where eli tells dina what she did to to noah it's ah it's a beautiful scene in the game but here it just doesn't work at all um dina's awesome and ni know's acting really well but when ramsey tells her that she made her talk. and I almost laughed out loud. Like it they just, it doesn't, it doesn't make any sense. I did like the scene. That's the same scene where she tells Dina what Joel actually did. And you can see Dina change your mind. Like, okay, we're going to go home now.
00:13:16
Speaker
Like, this is all pointless. What are we doing here? I did like that. But again, because Dina's actress is a great actress. ah So that, that, that part resonated well with me.
Tommy and Isaac's Role in the Show
00:13:26
Speaker
Yeah, and it's funny. She says, I made her talk, but then later on she reveals, well, I don't really know where Abby is. I got two words out of her. yeah Whale and, what was it? Whale and, like, uh... Whale and Will.
00:13:37
Speaker
Whale and Will, yeah. Yeah, it's like, well, did you actually make her talk or no? It's like, no, you didn't. Which is interesting. um But yeah, we definitely see that in Dina's eyes. Like, she changed. She's like, alright, we definitely need to, like, get the heck out of here now.
00:13:51
Speaker
Um... So then Ellie and Jesse basically decide that they're going to go out. They're going to go to the rendezvous point with Tommy.
00:14:02
Speaker
um And they um leave. They obviously leave Dina behind. um Jesse and Ellie are talking. We finally get the reveal, Hodge. You got your reveal about how Jesse actually found him.
00:14:17
Speaker
So it wasn't just like, oh, we don't want to write it yet. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Oh, they tailed them. They saw the WLFL sign and they figured they'd be somewhere around there. On their way, they're talking about Jesse kind of guesses that she's afraid.
00:14:31
Speaker
I thought Bella did a terrible job with this as well. Oh my God. wait you Wait, you were guessing? It's like, yeah, no crap. Like you put two and two together. Like obviously. um Yeah, I didn't really like that.
00:14:46
Speaker
No, yeah. Well, because the way and I don't know. I mean, like I like the Jesse actor, but like it didn't seem like he was acting that well in that scene either because he's just like, I've never seen her turn down a free drink. She's pregnant, isn't she? And it's like so I just assume like he knew and that's what he's saying.
00:15:02
Speaker
But then Bella does like, oh, you were guessing. I'm like, was he? i thought he just knew. but apparently now he's just guessing. Like, what is I just thought that scene was done really poorly yeah overall, if I'm being honest.
00:15:16
Speaker
but He's also like a grown-ass man at this point, talking to like ah what seems like a 10-year-old girl almost. So there's no equal there's no equal e equality here at all whatsoever. like You're supposed to believe that these two are like equal level, but they're not. Yeah.
00:15:31
Speaker
like standard It is true. Yeah. He's like the adult in this situation, scolding a teenager. And it's just like, yeah, that I, I do. I just, I didn't even think about that until you just said that. Cause yeah. And the game, they are just Ellie is like the Abby of the group where she is like in charge basically. And in this, she's just a dumb shit teenager. Yeah. So then we get to the rendezvous point, the but the bookstore, obviously Tommy's not there.
00:15:55
Speaker
um And Tommy and L I mean, Tom, ah Jesse and Ellie kind of get into, not like an argument, but they're like, they kind of get into an argument about like what acts.
00:16:08
Speaker
but Well, no, and they you skipped over. ah They, they hide behind a dumpster and the wolves chase a scar into the thing, which is why, which is also why they argued because, uh, uh, Ellie wanted to go save the guy. And Jesse's like, no, this is one.
00:16:22
Speaker
This isn't our fight too. There's four of them. So it's like, stop being stupid. Yeah. We need to go to, to Tommy. So when they get there, they talk about how, Oh, like everything's got a moral. Only if you find it.
00:16:34
Speaker
Um, He admits that he loves Dina, but not the way Ellie does. so he's so um And then he talks about how he fell in love with that girl for those two weeks and that he didn't want to – he wanted to go, but he couldn't abandon the community that raised him.
00:16:50
Speaker
I thought this was pretty good. i think this was pretty – it kind of just goes to show what kind of person Jesse is. He's all about the community. kind of backs up his actions. But then Ellie kind of takes it the wrong way. Oh, so you're St. Jesse of Wyoming, and everyone else is a – effing asshole like come on like you didn't need to say that at i mean abby i mean ellie yeah you're right the first time yeah and the the whole like her looking for a book for the baby i'm just like come on i don't know i don't know if that happened in the game or not but it's just the more of the thing like i'm gonna be a dad i'm like stop just stop what do you think
00:17:30
Speaker
yeah Yeah, well, I'm going to repeat myself a lot of times this episode, I think, but like you said, Hodge, it's just, it's not any time Bella Ramsey is on screen, I'm like, no, no.
00:17:41
Speaker
Like when she, like when you said, when she goes through that book, if you have like Game Ellie do that, it's meaningful because she likes comic books and stuff, but this Ellie is just like a Fuck off.
00:17:52
Speaker
Well, yeah, it's like I said, is like Ellie and Dina's relationship in the game. It felt more natural, like more realistic. Yeah. yeah Yeah. Whereas in this Bella Ramsey's Ellie is like a star struck school girl. Like she doesn't, it doesn't seem like a relationship. It seems like she's a little puppy dog following Dina around everywhere. And it's just like, it doesn't, it doesn't work at all in this show. I don't think. And Yeah, I just and just don't buy it at all. I did find the actor playing Jesse. I forget his name. I forgot his name, but I thought he did great here in this scene where he explains to her that he he loves Dina, but not in the way she does. I thought
Production Changes and Their Impact
00:18:33
Speaker
it was a really great story and pretty realistic, too, because that that's what happens most or a lot of times where you accidentally get someone pregnant. I guess you have to stick with them. But I thought i thought it was pretty great. i thought it i felt that actor did a phenomenal job the whole episode, really. Yeah.
00:18:48
Speaker
Yeah. um Yeah. So then they continue going and they hear the radio on WLF and they find it as a sniper and they like, Oh, it's definitely Tommy.
00:19:02
Speaker
um He's holding them off. But then Ellie sees in the distance, she sees the whale and the wheel. So she puts two and two together that Abby has to be there. um So Ellie's like, Oh, we're I'm going to get Abby and Jesse, you're going to come with me. And,
00:19:17
Speaker
he's like, well, we need to go save Tommy. Well, Tommy's got covered. Don't worry. Tommy's got covered. What if more, they call him for backup. No, if Tommy's got covered. And then we get into like more of the argument here where we find out that, um, Jesse actually voted no because it was not in the best interest interest of the community.
00:19:32
Speaker
And this kind of really pisses off Ellie. Um, Yeah, I was I was really curious if they were going to bring up the vote thing, because that's what I remember. I think in our episode we did say that we're like, I think like they voted no. I don't think Ellie just assumes they're the ones that voted yes. I think they're the ones.
00:19:49
Speaker
And we're right. they that He voted no. And this was another episode where Bella Ramsey was terrible. I could not stand her in this scene. She was like when she does like the fuck the community. I'm like,
00:20:03
Speaker
um What? It's like one, you're screaming again in the middle of town when there's people trying to kill you. But to just you're a horrible actress. This is terrible. This is not not. Yeah. you Very well. In the line, you let a kid die today. It's like, all right, well, I mean, OK, you let kids die with Joel.
00:20:23
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. yeah And she did not say the easy like layup line like, well, Joel is my community. She never actually says that. She infers it, but she doesn't say it. That was a layup. Like, come on. That was a layup. Just say it.
00:20:35
Speaker
Joel was my community. I'm so shocked they didn't say that. That was like pitch perfect to say that. And she didn't. I think the show also made another mistake here, which it does often in in in regard to this, is that they immediately label Tommy as the sniper.
00:20:51
Speaker
um In the game, it's such a cool moment when you realize Tommy's the sniper. And it would have been so cool next season to have this sniper scene play out, not knowing it's Tommy and then seeing it's Tommy in that season.
00:21:03
Speaker
ah But now we already know. So, well, I mean, we already knew, of course, because we played the game. But next season, if you like the whole stuff with Isaac, too, there were a whole lot of scenes here with Isaac that were kind of meaningless. If you don't know anything about the games, I presume, like where were they going? What the hell were they doing? Yeah, they're going to the Seraphites Island. Yeah.
00:21:23
Speaker
You don't know that. Yeah. So I don't get why they did that. But it it seems to me that this whole season seems to me like it would have worked so much better if it was just one big season of 14 episodes and all the scenes were next to each other. Like kind of the the opposite of what they did with the game. Like just mix the Ellie and Abby scenes.
00:21:45
Speaker
You have even done it like an episode, Day One, Seattle, Ellie. And then the next episode, Day One, Abby. Yeah. because Because right now, if you haven't seen – well, Sean, your your mom probably thinks this. I don't know.
00:21:56
Speaker
if you have If you haven't played the games, who the hell is this eyes Isaac character? Yeah, she she was very curfuddled about – Like, like they introduced him and then he like was barely in it again. And then all sudden pops up again and she had no, like when the boats all came and they were sailing out, she's like, why she's like, what's going on? Like, where are they going?
00:22:16
Speaker
She kind of put two and two together. Then she must be, they must be going somewhere with the scars because there's a battle going on, but she is still so lost on like, why is this battle even going on? and then imagine you have to wait two years now.
00:22:28
Speaker
That's what we were saying. we were talking about that after like, well now we're going to wait till 2027 for this. Yeah, like I really I really do think that they should have because like if you want to think of another show that perfects like timelines happening at the same time Game of Thrones had like six timelines happening at the exact same time and you were able to follow each one so well that I really thought that's what they do with this, especially with being an HBO show because, you know, obviously Game of Thrones is HBO.
00:22:54
Speaker
Like I really thought that's what they're going to do, but instead they're doing it three days back to the start three days at that and then whatever they're going to do after that. Who knows what they'll do with the Yeah. And I was actually even saying this earlier. i
Speculation on Future Seasons
00:23:05
Speaker
was like, well, if they were going to do it like this, they should have even done it like season two, a season to be with like a couple of months in between.
00:23:11
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. that Yeah. They could have done that easily. Like the Netflix kind of release schedule as they do now, or they at release chunks each month or something. Yeah, that's exactly. Yeah. They should have done something I said this to lock off air, but I'll say it here. Since HBO and Discovery like basically merged together, the production from like the production timelines for these shows have been awful.
00:23:31
Speaker
like So bad. like There's no reason we should be waiting yeah almost two years between shows. There's no reason. yeah Yeah, I think while I was trying to get my fucking microphone working, I heard you guys say something like they should have shot it back to back. That's what they should have done is that they should have shot these two scenes and then you had a maybe a couple of months or something. Because, I mean, shows used to always do the the midseason breaks and stuff like that. I remember The Walking Dead was famous for it. It would be really cool opening, really boring and then good midseason finale, good midseason premiere, really boring and then good finale. Yeah. That's what every season. And so it's like they could have done, you know, obviously made it better, but could have done the the midseason finales for this. And that's what they should have done. But and HBO, of course, the first season was such a hit that they're going to want drag this on for 10 years. And but like even Craig Mason says they need a fourth season. I'm like.
00:24:24
Speaker
Do you? Yeah. c But yeah, it's it's like, oh, quickly before we we move on, we skipped over. There was just the scene where the one ah wolf ah wolf lady goes in and talks to Isaac and he's like, yeah, I was about to bring that up. yeah Well, we it is revealed to the audience. I thought was a good way to reveal the audience that like Abby is like, am I basically they have no idea where she is because they're like, well, yeah some of our best people are MIA because they don't know what happened to Nora. And now they're like, well, Abby's missing.
00:24:53
Speaker
But then it was kind of weird. She's like, well what are you obsessed with Abby? Like, yeah, yeah. She's like, no, she's like our best. She's like our best fighter. So she's going to be like in charge when we have inevitably die because we're in this war.
00:25:06
Speaker
Yeah, what I'm wondering with that comment, my first thought was, I don't know if this is accurate or not and I don't want to spoil anything about who the Seraphites are, because obviously they're still pretty unknown. But I wonder if you was she was kind of making a Seraphite comment towards him, because they do have some of these weird ah rituals, to say the least.
00:25:23
Speaker
So I'm wondering if she was kind of making a comment like that to him, but or at the same time, it was maybe it was just some weirdly, poorly written, are you a pedophile kind of joke, like writing. I don't know what it was, but...
00:25:35
Speaker
Yeah, that that comment felt really weird to me. Yeah. ah Like I said, like some of it was strong, like the reveal of Abby not being there was pretty good. Yeah. And just like the side is one of those things you have to listen for.
00:25:46
Speaker
Like you could easily miss it. um But I thought it was good luck. What do think? Yeah, I thought that was great. I think this is also, is is this also the scene, there's one scene where you see like a mural of the Prophet.
00:25:58
Speaker
Oh, that was earlier when Ellie and Jesse were walking. Did you notice what they did? I thought this was really weird. Did you notice what they did to to her? I don't know why, but they ray swapped her. So in the in the game, she's white, but here the Prophet is black, but she's... Didn't even notice it. Holy crap. So I don't get why they did that. Like that.
00:26:16
Speaker
Unless maybe she isn't dead in the show. No, she's dead in the show too, right? Because they comment on that. Well, I know Ellie makes a comment like, is there are multiple prophets? So maybe there's another interpretation of a white one up there somewhere. Okay. because i could have sworn they had a they had one early in an earlier episode and it wasn't a black lady. That's what I thought too. yeah Maybe that's why Ellie says, what and then that kind of explains why Ellie would say, what are there, multiple ones?
00:26:39
Speaker
oh She makes a comment that there are multiple prophets. Cool. Jesse's like, I don't freaking know. Oh, well, that's cool. So maybe they're going to do something with that. that Because that that that really struck me as odd, but that makes sense now. That's cool. I hope they do that. I hope they have more. Yeah, I wonder if they are going to expand, like, do add more to the Seraphites, because they aren't really that fleshed out in the game. They're just kind of known as the crazy cult.
00:27:00
Speaker
So who knows what they'll... what they'll do with them in the next season. but Did you also notice the yeah the guy, one of the wolves um attacking or attacking, like cornering the Seraphite in the basement is that same guy who was from Isaac's crew? Yes. The guy from the van? Yeah.
00:27:18
Speaker
Yeah, like I said in that episode, that was one of my favorite things of seeing how he went from like the nervous, like, why are we doing this kind of soldier to like the one who's just treating them like animals? Like, yes, I thought that was so, so because it was we talked about it. It's basically like we're supposed to be the good guys. Why are we treating these people like animals? And now he's on the team that now they have power. They're treating people like animals. and Yeah, I thought yeah I thought that character kind of arc is really, really well written.
00:27:43
Speaker
I think – oh, sorry. Go ahead. No, no, no. Go on. I think Colin brought did ah this up on there on the NSM spoiler cast, but um he thinks that that guy is going to turn out to be the guy that Owen kills, um which would make sense.
00:27:57
Speaker
Oh, okay. Because at some point in the game, Owen kills one of the wolves, and that's why he heads off on his own, and Abby has to find Abby to find him.
00:28:08
Speaker
And that column seems to think that that's the guy that he kills, which would be it. That's a, it's a good theory. Yeah. mean, I think about that. Yeah. And going on, i think I do think season three will expand on the Sarah fights. I think we're going to get a whole episode on like their culture, similar to like the flashback episode or the ah bill episode. It's going to be like something like that.
00:28:31
Speaker
Well, I'm sure we'll get a back. Sorry. was going to say with the two characters that, We will meet in season three. Yeah, going They're probably going to something with Lev, who is the name, but obviously we're not going spoil who they are. But yeah, I can definitely see them What do you guys think about Pedro Pascal?
Impact of the Flashback Episode
00:28:48
Speaker
Like the the whole flashback episode being one episode and not having those flashbacks flashbacks throughout the season.
00:28:55
Speaker
I think I said that was cheaper. was definitely cheaper. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's, that's what I said is that now it's a guarantee. He's not coming back next season because now he's in the fantastic four doomsday and every other goddamn movie coming out. So, and Mandalorian and Grogu and everything. So I think they just had to get a scenes out of the way, which is why they did it.
00:29:14
Speaker
But I did say, I thought it was pretty weak because that porch episode is basically the end of the game. And the the fact that they put it in and that like, The episode, it was my favorite episode of the season. i will say that.
00:29:27
Speaker
But it did because it was kind of cool seeing like over the birthdays, how they kind of grew apart kind of thing. I liked it. But yeah, I didn't like that. They basically took every good Joel moment that was in part two and just crammed it into one episode. I thought that was not great.
00:29:45
Speaker
What they should have done is they should just filmed it and then just dispersed it throughout the episodes, like film it all at once and then just slowly put it in. Well, like you said, he probably gets paid per episode. Per episode, yeah.
00:29:56
Speaker
That's probably why they did it. You'll probably see that porch scene a bunch more times over the years, I presume. You'll see you'll still see that same scene in in three years' time, I guess. no Yeah.
00:30:07
Speaker
All right. So we're going continue. So we get like, yeah, we get that talk and then it cuts back to Ellie. She sees like the boats over to the aquarium. She goes over there. She sees all the wolves gearing up. We see Isaac and all his boys going out on the boats. They're going to that Seraphite Island, which if there's a viewer, you have no idea where they're going. You're like, what's going on here?
00:30:30
Speaker
Ellie gets on her boat. She gets brushed away by the water, gets taken down, and then she ends up on the island. And when she washes she washes up on the shore, little little child Seraphite sees her, and then he runs off.
00:30:43
Speaker
And pretty much put two and two together, he's gonna be like, oh my gosh, there's a wolf here. And then um they come, they take her, and then they're bringing their dragon her. She's struggling. They're gonna hang her.
00:30:54
Speaker
um They basically, she's on the rope for about maybe 10, 20 seconds, and then they hear the gunfire coming, and all the seraphites go, leave her! And they leave her, and they run away to go help their crowd.
00:31:08
Speaker
why Really weird scene. Why not shoot her? That's so weird. Why leave her? That doesn't make any an arrow in her head. Yeah, yeah, just kill her. It's quicker than letting the rope go. like Well, that and the fact that all they would have done was pull what you saw what they did to the other wolf. They pulled the rope. They disembowel him. That's all they would have to do to her. They would have taken two seconds. But obviously plot armor. They can't kill her.
00:31:29
Speaker
And it's weird because this is not in the game. This is a really weird scene to add. It wasn't good. I thought they were going to substitute the Abby scene with this one.
00:31:41
Speaker
It looked like the Abby scene that you – like that first – one of the first trailers we got. And I was like, what's going on here? Yeah. But you know that scene is coming up because later when we see Abby, she has – Yeah, has a road mark. She has burns on her neck, yeah.
00:31:55
Speaker
But it was just – So very weird. It was like they just had to justify having the Seraphites in the show more like that's what it felt like. It was just like, remember, these people are terrifying. Look what they're going to do to anyone who's not a Seraphite. I also think it was trying to shoehorn in like, oh, this is where the wolves went. They went to this island where the Seraphites are. it was just to show the audience. But like you could have done that in a much better way.
00:32:17
Speaker
Well, yeah, because when she's driving away from the island, you see the explosions, which means that the wolves have attacked and all that. So, yeah, I think it was really also, yeah, like you said, to tie it because otherwise would have been the boat. and they been like Well, actually, i think it would have been better if she's on the boat driving there and she looks overseas explosions happening on the island that she doesn't understand what it is. It's a good tease for the next season to be like, what the hell is going on over there? But or even if they gave us a scene of the wolves arriving there.
00:32:43
Speaker
Yeah. Like when they they take off in the boat and just have them arriving, like they could have done that much better than this like 30, you know, two minute segment. Yeah. Or, or have them on a boat approaching the Island and they pass by the Sarah fight logo or something to like show like, Oh, they're entering Sarah fight. Like, yeah, they could but yeah, having this scene where she almost dies by the Sarah fights. Cause did she even meet the Sarah fights in the game?
00:33:04
Speaker
Like, She gets shot by them at some point. Yeah. Remember the arrow last episode? But she doesn't go to their island. She doesn't go to their island. you know That's right. Yeah, because she does sneak around them. That's right. Maybe this scene is in here because it comes back and somebody's like looking at her from the bushes or so. It it reminded me of Lost, this scene. I don't know if you guys ever seen Lost. Lost is my favorite show of all time. Oh, well, you know, it seems like this happened a lot in Lost, you know? Like, when something like this happened, and then two seasons later, you see it from a different perspective, and somebody was looking at this from the bushes.
00:33:35
Speaker
That's what this reminded me of. So maybe this comes back, and somebody's looking at them, maybe Lev, or somebody, or... probably Could be, yeah. No, that's a good idea. yeah We'll have to wait and see in two years.
00:33:47
Speaker
Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So then it goes back to Ellie. Ellie arrives at the aquarium um and she is sneaking around the aquarium. We hear voices.
00:34:02
Speaker
um She's walking, walking through and it's revealed that it is Mel and Owen are there and they are obviously, yep. I was going to say, can I say really quick, before she gets the aquarium, it shows her driving across the water, was some of the worst fucking CGI I've ever seen in my life. yeah like There's the scene where it zooms out from her, shows the city in the background, and it looked terrible.
00:34:23
Speaker
It looked so bad. looked like Sin City, like the the movie Sin City. Yeah, kind of, except much worse, because I like that movie. But yeah, so yeah, she gets there, and it's Mel and Owen.
00:34:34
Speaker
Oh, and and they're talking and they're obviously talking about they know where Abby is. She tries to pull the trick that Joel taught her in season one, which we actually I think they did. The game did a great job with it. They totally botched it here.
00:34:49
Speaker
Totally botched it here where she's like, you're both going to tell me where they are. You're going to point in here. Tell me she learned that from Joel back. And they do that in season one and in the first game.
00:34:59
Speaker
Well, that's in the game. What? It's one of the best moments in that first game. That scene where he tortures those two dudes. That's one of the best. You know what the best part is? I've used that on students. I go, you're going to tell me what happened in this room.
00:35:13
Speaker
And then I'll call another student and go, hey, I just asked him, your stories better match up about what just happened in this classroom. I've used that and it works. I'm telling you it works. Hell yeah. It's great. You used it.
00:35:23
Speaker
Thanks, Joel. But in the game, they actually she actually they actually fulfill it. like The characters actually go out and she gets it from both of them. And this, Owen's like, no, I'll do it. um And it it felt very rushed and very quick.
00:35:37
Speaker
Well, in the game, it's even better because it it happens earlier in the game as well when they find the two bodies in the hotel room. Remember when Tommy did this to ah to two people too? Yeah. Oh, yeah.
00:35:48
Speaker
Remember? Yeah. Yeah, and that's that's one of the biggest one of my biggest complaints about this season was they i like that they did do the Tommy Sniper thing, even though obviously the game did it better.
00:35:59
Speaker
But I didn't like that they changed up Tommy to where he wasn't there. like I liked in the game how they followed, like, oh, here's the destruction of Tommy, like just finding a bunch of corpses and stuff. like it That was so good. And they just they demoted Tommy in this season. It made me sad. yeah but yeah yeah yeah um so then owen basically ellie thinks he's about to like pull a gun ellie shoots he does it oh yeah well
Ellie's Emotional Conflict and Dramatic Tension
00:36:25
Speaker
okay i couldn't tell if he actually did um yeah he went to grab a gun on um ellie shoots the bullet kind of grazes owen's like neck and then it also grazes mel's neck and because we see it in the background in the um
00:36:42
Speaker
It like hits the wall behind him. Yeah. Locker whatever it was. Owen basically dies. And then Mel reveals she's pregnant. She's like, Ellie, you need to cut the baby out of my stomach right now.
00:36:53
Speaker
um And she's trying to give her directions, but Ellie can't do it. And then we just see the defeated look in Ellie. Actually, I thought this scene was, I thought this part was pretty good where you see the defeat in her because she kind of recognizes, oh my gosh, I just killed a pregnant woman and I'm trying to protect like someone who's pregnant. I'm bringing someone into the world.
00:37:09
Speaker
Yeah. Well, I like Mel a lot here. i don't like her in the game, but here I thought she did great because you can see she's like completely panicking and in shock. And then she tells Ellie, like, oh, you're doing a good job, but she's not doing anything. like She's not cutting into her.
00:37:23
Speaker
Well, yeah, because in the game, doesn't she just die? Like in this, I like that she has that motherly instinct of like, save my baby, please. yeah Like that was really good. I did like that too. Yeah. Yeah. In the game, she gets shot and she goes like, she, she basically slowly reveals I'm pregnant.
00:37:38
Speaker
And then you can see it on Ellie's face go like almost like ghost white, like, holy crap. What did I just do? Yeah. Yeah. Um, You know what really annoys me about this scene? And they they did it before, too, in the scene where Joel dies.
00:37:51
Speaker
Both those scenes, this scene with Owen and and and Mel, and there's some other people there, too, I guess, in the game. um When they die, it's in like this beautiful big room.
00:38:01
Speaker
And the beautiful lighting and it's like blue lighting coming from from above. And in the scene where Joel dies too, it's in the cellar and he dies ah against a window, remember, with like the beautiful light coming through? it's like a garage door or something like that. Yeah.
00:38:13
Speaker
And they made it look so bland here, like just in a dark room with like nothing. it was like room. It's almost like the employee locker room. No, it was like it was like a mechanical room. It was like po like panel boards and shit like that. Yeah, it was like – I agree with that. Like for – this show does so well of making like the settings look good and everything. But yeah, then these big scenes happen and they're – like the the Nora one was like one for one. That looked awesome. that yeah really That one looked really good. But yeah, this one – and yeah, I said the same thing about the Joel one where it's like they're up in like the lit up just –
00:38:46
Speaker
well, living room basically. And it's just like, you know, so much better. It was it it was so much. Yeah. Those two scenes were way better in the game. It fit the tone better when it was in the darker section underneath. Yeah, exactly. um Yeah. so then we get that. And then basically um we get to Ellie going back to the theater Oh, wait, no.
00:39:12
Speaker
Oh, no. Tommy. Does Tommy run it? Yeah. Tommy and Jesse run into the aquarium. Tommy gets better. But I was going to say before that we get to that, they took out the dog scene. So we're not going to go to the dog scenes.
00:39:23
Speaker
We're not going to get the dog in the next season. So I was like, I was I was very curious if they're that, because I remember that part from the game. And was like, are they going to do it? And then, nope, they did not the dog. um dog back jackson so Yeah, i want yeah god that was weird.
00:39:38
Speaker
um But I wonder if they did it because they just like can't justify Bella Ramsey being strong enough to kill a German Shepherd. I also don't think they want, you know, it is it PETA or PETA? I never know.
00:39:50
Speaker
PETA. PETA. I don't think they want PETA on their case because PETA will they jump on anything. And I'm not going lie. PETA in Seattle is pretty bad. When I went to Seattle, they were a protest every single day by PETA.
00:40:03
Speaker
Like I remember like walking down the street and just seeing every single day outside some store, the PETA people. It was wild. That'd be funny if in this game, in the show, it was the wolves, the Seraphites and PETA.
00:40:16
Speaker
They're all fighting each other. yeah It's really weird. It's really bad. Seattle there. um Alright, so yeah, so then we get um Tommy. um Tommy comes in and je Jesse's with him, right? Yeah, they rescue Ellie.
00:40:32
Speaker
They go back to the theater. Ellie thanks them for coming back together. You're good for being a good person. um They kind of have a little truth. um And then Well, I was going to say they're in the other room and sudden they hear the door open. They run. They're running with the gun. we We saw that in the scenes.
00:40:52
Speaker
And then they open it up. Tommy's sitting there. He's basically shot. is it In the game, he gets shot in the eye. ah but That happens a little bit later. like they right At this point, they just have him on his knees.
00:41:05
Speaker
yeah like they They haven't shot me yet him yet. He's just there on the floor. he He gets shot in the eye practically one minute later. Okay. Well, um Abby is there.
00:41:17
Speaker
um Ellie and
Cliffhanger Ending and Season 3 Tease
00:41:19
Speaker
Jesse are there. Jesse gets shot. And then adam Ellie throws her gun and says you want me? Let them go. and then Jesse gets shot. And Yeah.
00:41:29
Speaker
Then she shoots and it fits the black. It's, uh, yeah. Well, quickly, I liked the scene before Tommy went back out to the lobby where, ah it's showing that Tommy still has the rage that he has in the game where he's basically like, she feels bad about Mel and he goes, well, she was there.
00:41:46
Speaker
Like basically saying like you were right to kill her kind of thing. And, ah but yeah, it was, yeah, he goes to the lobby and then they hear, you know, whatever happening and they run out there and it's as they open the door that um Abby out of basically,
00:42:00
Speaker
instinct just shoots jesse in the face it's it's like immediate that he just drops immediately and but yeah here's where just really love caitlin dever over you know hulk from the game where she's so good she's like i let you live and it's like it's so so well done and then what she says and you wasted it and you wasted it wasted it oh man it's It's so good. But no, yeah, in the game, yeah, he's like on his knees.
00:42:28
Speaker
And then you see him shoot or you see her shoot him in the head. yeah And which I guess I don't know if that's I guess he's just on the ground. this So maybe they didn't want to do another headshot or something. I don't know what they did, but they didn't show that he's dead. So who knows what is his fate in this is going to be compared to the games. But but they're not going to kill him because I think that that they need him.
00:42:52
Speaker
He's a free. I'm wondering. yeah Well, that yeah, they obviously he's needed for the plot, but I'm wondering if they even wanted to imply that he died in this because obviously they're leaving the the the whole Jon Snow. Is he dead or not? Kind of ending of this, even though obviously and he's not dead. That would be dead stupid. My mom thinks he's dead.
00:43:12
Speaker
oh my mom thinks everyone there is dead that abby went on rich and we're just gonna go back and see it from abby's perspective and then the game's gonna and then this the show will be over that's what she yeah i was honestly expecting this scene to end by her instead of her shooting abby or uh ellie i thought it was gonna end with her shooting tommy and yes to have that kind of cliffhanger but i think that would be a much more powerful cliffhanger yes yeah because then you then you're you're up in the Well, now the audience is a lot of people are thinking that Ellie's dead if you've not played the games.
00:43:41
Speaker
um And then if you got that, we'd be very ambiguous. But I have feeling a lot of people who are just watching the show, they might look up to see like in the game. Like, oh, my gosh, it's Ellie actually dead. I don't feel some people, especially if it's a two year wait. Some people might not be able to wait.
00:43:55
Speaker
Yeah. What's it? sort I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, you're you're I'm just muttering. I was going to say that it's also like a ah bad cliffhanger here. Because of course, Annie is not going to die. Okay, maybe some people do think that. But if you watch a lot of TV or a lot of shows or a lot of movies, you know she's not going to die. like yeah They would have shown it if if she would have died here. So...
00:44:18
Speaker
My mom's also very gullible. Just putting that out. So here's, here's my thought with this quote unquote cliffhanger is ah two shows came to mind when this happened.
00:44:30
Speaker
The first was the walking dead. Once again, it was who did Negan kill? Remember the whole baseball bat thing that ended up killing the show. Yeah. And then also at the end of the first season of South park,
00:44:42
Speaker
ah they do yeah they do a who is Cartman's mom thing. oh yeah And it ends on that. And when the next season premieres, instead of revealing it, they do an entire episode about Terrence and Phillip.
00:44:56
Speaker
Just to fuck with the crowd. And it enraged people back when that happened. I was reading it. I was i was eight or something when that happened. so I was just reading about it. And it pissed people off so much. that Because they were waiting. Who's Cartman's you know dad or whatever.
00:45:10
Speaker
and They're going to do the same thing here where it's going to be a cutaway to that. yeah And then it's going to be a whole season of Abby where everyone's like, what happened to Ellie? Like we want to see it. And so I honestly think it was a huge mistake to do this. I could be wrong. I don't know.
00:45:26
Speaker
Maybe the viewers are going to be like, I want to see what Abby does and all that. But like first in this season, you kill Joel, which is everyone's favorite part of the show. Everyone loves Pedro Pascal and Joel. So you kill him and then you maybe kill who the baton was passed to and you're not going to let us know what happened until way later in the next season.
00:45:46
Speaker
Like, it just feels like a horrible mistake that they did it this way. But I don't know. so So maybe correct me if I'm wrong, but this scene ends in the game with Abby just letting Ellie go, right?
00:45:58
Speaker
Like she just tells her, don't come after me. And she goes. Yeah, she does. yeah So why did they just end it there? but that That would be way better. Yeah. Yeah, and then it could have been then it could have done the... Yeah, well, they could have done easily her saying, like, don't come after me. Then she shoots Tommy in the head and leaves, and you're like... like So she just left her alone, basically.
00:46:18
Speaker
You don't know where Dina is. She might have already killed Dina. you know who Who knows? But then Jesse's dead because he saw the bullet in his face. You know he's dead. There's no know coming back from that one, the St. Kingsman.
00:46:28
Speaker
And then there's... ah then you think Tommy's dead. So it'd be like, now she's left alone. She slaughtered everyone. And she's like, leave me alone. Get out of here. Or maybe I misremember. Isn't maybe this is the part where Abby and Ellie fight for the first time. And then Dina gets injured.
00:46:45
Speaker
but They do fight. And Dina gets injured here. But it does not end with like, ah you think Ellie's dead. No, no. Yeah. So maybe they they should have shown that fight, I guess. But maybe that's too much. Yeah, it's, it's, that's probably how they are going to end next season.
00:46:59
Speaker
I bet. was deep defied between probably. Yeah, probably. um All right, yeah, then we get what I think is my my favorite scene, which is almost like a beat-for-beat recreate of the game, where we get it goes back to day one Seattle.
00:47:14
Speaker
um Abby wakes up on the couch. Oh, Isaac's looking for you. She gets up. Oh, of was Manny. Isaac's looking for you. She gets up. She walks out, and we're surrounded. We're in Lumen Field with a Seahawks play, and we see that, oh, the Wolves are freaking huge, pretty much bigger than Jackson. They have a whole community there.
00:47:32
Speaker
And then it flashes Seattle day one and then, you know, cut the credits. Yeah, it man, I don't know. It just felt like such a I didn't mind the scene like itself, but it felt like such a horrible reveal of like Seattle day one, because it's basically telling you we're resetting the clock. You're not going to know what's happening at the end of that scene we just watched.
00:47:53
Speaker
And so it felt like it would have made. i don't know. I guess yeah it's a way to tease the next season of saying, hey, next season's Abby. But It just, I don't know, should have ended at the gunshot. It just, it was, you're telling me, instead of telling the audience, like, it's like the end of ah season three of Breaking Bad when Jesse shoots Gil and you're like, it's so, it's ah one of the best moments in that show.
00:48:20
Speaker
And it ends with him pulling the trigger and it just cuts to the credits. And it's like, that was such a great ending. And instead they do this one and it cuts to black and you're like, oh, you're expecting directed by, you know, Neil Druckmann or whatever pop up on the screen. and Instead, it's wake up, Abby. It's like, oh, really? Oh, it's telling it's telling you out the gate.
00:48:38
Speaker
You're not going to know the resolution of this scene for a while. And I just feel like it's a mistake. It's also, I think, only impactful if you've played the games. Like, yeah who the hell cares if this if this happens and you haven't played the games and you see, like, the the stadium in and and Seattle Day 1? Who the hell cares?
00:48:56
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, the audience is going to try to – I think they're – what I think they're they're thinking, like, oh, if we prolong this, we don't tell them what – it's going to make people want to watch because they'll never know when it's going to revealed.
00:49:07
Speaker
like, well, you kind of do with the Seattle Day 1 thing. Yeah. um Yeah. Yeah, yeah that was that was the finale. um Yeah. I mean, we kind of gave our overall thoughts already.
00:49:18
Speaker
ah Yeah. Final thoughts. How long do you guys think it it'll take before we see the next season? Do you think it'll be another two years? Optimistically, i would think...
00:49:29
Speaker
optimistically october 2026 realistically april or may 2027 the way hbo does things jesus yeah if they're smart it'll be by next fall but i could see it being two years i yeah i don't know um the white lotus season two was october 2022 the white lotus season three was april well february march 2025 but to be fair those are two like
Concerns About Season 3 Wait and Future Direction
00:49:59
Speaker
huge different locations and different actors so maybe true i know but i'm just kind anthology series but i guess yeah but still well ah little the difference between the last of us season one was january 2023 this was true two years and four months four or five months
00:50:17
Speaker
And season three is also going to be new locations and new actors. So, oh no, well, it's Seattle, I guess, but yeah, it's new actors too. So it makes sense. did I didn't think about this until I saw somebody mentioned this earlier today, but basically the the the clickers or the infected are like not even in the show anymore.
00:50:35
Speaker
Like, they were there in, like, the first episode or the second episode. Oh, yeah. And then they were there. They were They're there a little bit. They're definitely not nearly as prevalent as the game, definitely.
00:50:46
Speaker
Yeah. um Yeah, because... The last effect they faced was those stalkers that... Yeah, it was two episodes ago. It was episode six.
00:50:57
Speaker
yeah episode five Episode five. Because we didn't get any in the flashback. Well, we do get in the flashback. We do with the Eugene part. Yeah. Oh, we just don't see them. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, well, it's like a...
00:51:09
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It's like I said at the start of the season when I was kind of complaining about like the Walking Dead esque swarms that they were kind of facing in. I think that so you and me did lock or where when they killed like during Joel, they have like this Walking Dead type swarm.
00:51:25
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And it felt like because I remember that was a complaint the first season to where it's like after c episode like three or four or whatever it was like there the infected weren't even part of the story.
00:51:36
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And that so Neil Druckmann and Craig Mazin whoever from HBO came out like next season going to have way more infected because yeah they think that's what makes the show good.
00:51:46
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it's like, no, you're you're missing the forest for the trees. But the so I think it's like. So, yeah, at the start of the season with the swarms and stuff, it felt like an overcorrection of there weren't enough.
00:51:59
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But then, yeah yeah, you are right. it just once again, it just went to just the people. they infected aren't even really part of it anymore. And yeah, because, yeah, Nora was really the last episode where the infected kind of.
00:52:12
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played any part of the plot. So, yeah, it's weird. I don't know what... I don't know. Remember in in see episode two, we saw that bloater coming towards Tommy. and That was really cool.
00:52:22
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And that's when I thought, oh, they're setting up this bloater so that Ellie will have to fight it later. Like, not the same one, of course, because this one dies, but like another bloater later on. That just know doesn't come back, ever.
00:52:33
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So I'm yeah guessing... Well, next season will be the Rat King, of course. They can't leave that one out, so that'll be like a big the big infected scene. But I wonder... Because Abby's story is also way more centered around the infected. You have way more infected in her story as well. so Yeah.
00:52:48
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Well, because it's also they're also a threat to her. Yeah. Yeah. yeah and It'll be interesting to see what they do. But yeah, that was our finale of our little mini-series reviewing each episode of The Last of Us part oh last of us Season 2.
00:53:03
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If you like this, we have our main episodes, like I said, that come out every other Monday. We also throw in there some extra episodes here and there. um We have a really fun episode coming up this Saturday. Our last episode that aired um was also featured Locke, and it was our top, it was more games we loved. It was basically our 11 through 20 top games of all time with some amendments to our top 10.
00:53:26
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um But yeah, that that's all, guys. thanks for Thanks for joining us, Locke. Always a pleasure. um Midnight, you were missed. And yeah, that's all, folks.
00:53:37
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All right. Bye, everyone. See you.
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Oh, yeah, I got to hit stop, don't I? Yeah. he dad