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DLC 21. Tiering the Mario Games! | Games Over Plastic
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In this episode Sean is joined by friend of the show James Soler. They go through all the games and rank them along a tier list. Which games will come out on top?
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Introduction and Guest Introduction
00:00:29
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Here we go! Hello everyone, welcome to a very special DLC episode of Games Over Plastic. Joining me for the second time ever is my good friend, James Soler.
00:00:42
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James, how are you doing? I'm doing well. How about yourself? Good. I can't believe I'm joined again by the historian of owl LSM things himself, James.
00:00:53
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James is quite the historian over there. um Keeping track of all things for LSM. I love it. It's always good um when you get a write-in read,
Community Engagement and Events
00:01:03
Speaker
too. You were on the latest...
00:01:05
Speaker
Sacred symbols. Yeah. on the up yes I think you wrote into that one. I think all I asked about was when the sacred league is coming back and then college really he was like, oh, it is coming back and then didn't really answer the question. But yeah, um el I'm excited.
00:01:18
Speaker
I'm excited. Anytime I hear your name, though, it's like, oh, yeah, you state something good. I mean, I'm in the same boat. I think obviously I think it's fun to hear my own name, but I also think it's fun to hear names of people that I recognize from the LSM discord yourself.
00:01:31
Speaker
um I think Astro Parrot King gets read a lot. yeah um Straw Hat Ninja is in there a bunch. um But it's all it's always exciting to hear like a familiar name and just kind of be like, oh, I i know him.
00:01:42
Speaker
Yeah. Shout out to Astro Parrot. We were at the Mets game with Cog, Lord Cog, from ah LSM and the Iron Lords, and his good friend Lord Sov, who's also on the Iron Lords. And shout out to our friend Greek Thunder, who's also in the LSM Discord. He joined us, it was a great time.
00:01:58
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Mets won. It was a fun time.
Nintendo Consoles and Game Rankings
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We do it every year, so it was always a good time. But with that said... James is joining me for the second time. The first time we did a nice Zelda tier ranking.
00:02:11
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Because, you know, on Games Over Plastic here, you know, I'm the biggest Nintendo nerd here. As many of the listeners know from my our Nintendo console rankings, where... One of the the big gifts that's going around LSM that people are using in the LSM Discord and all the other discords I'm in is me hitting my table and walking out of the room. I keep seeing that. People are using that now.
00:02:31
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That was created from that episode because the N64 was ranked number three, and i I was not happy with that. And I walked out of the room. you You wanted it to be higher or lower? No, I wanted it to be way lower. I'm notorious N64 hater. Yeah, I'm a notorious N64 hater.
00:02:45
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um I think it has very high highs, but very low lows. I think so, too. Yeah, but James joined me for the Zelda tiering. So today I figured, why not we do ah Mario platforming tiering? So we're going to be tiering the mainline Mario platforming game. So um unlike the Zelda tiering, where it was kind of disorganized, it's the first time we were doing it, you know, where we kind of just did every single Zelda game under the sun, including the the CD-i, horrific CD-i. I think we even talked about, like, Link's Crossbow Training.
00:03:16
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We did. Briefly, at least I did i We did, I remember. the We zapper. I figured, why not James James on We're going to do the mainline platforming Mario games. You're not going to see Mario's missing. You're not going to see Mario's time machine.
00:03:33
Speaker
As much as we love those games so much. They're horrific. But I figured why not have James on again for this. And i would really love for James to be a recurring guest for like this Nintendo tier ranking because no one else, you know, i it's hard for me to talk about this with ah some of the other guests we've had.
00:03:53
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I'm kind of the Nintendo guy. So it'd be great to have you on again for, you know. Yeah, definitely. You know, a Kid Icarus ranking. Oh, I don't know about that. I've never played. I played the original. I haven't either, which which I feel like there's a part of me that kind of feels like we are running out of common ground of stuff that we're interested in, because after we get through Mario and Zelda, which there's other Mario spinoff stuff that we can do.
00:04:17
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um The next biggest one for me, I think would probably be Metroid, but I don't know that you're, are you a big Metroid fan? I've only played Metroid Prime. Okay, see? And then... I gotta to get through them all before.
00:04:29
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And then... I don't know. i'm not ah I'm not personally like a big Kirby fan. um Hodge is a big Kirby guy. Yeah, but I think we did talk briefly about trying to do something with like Super Smash Bros and try to figure out how to do something in there, whether it would be just focusing on like one individual game at a time or something.
Mario Platforming Games Tier List
00:04:48
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But you figure yeah we can figure that stuff out later. figure out off it We don't want to bore the listener here. So yeah we're going get right at it. So i will be we will be creating the tier list.
00:04:57
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You will be actually able to see the entire tier list at the end of the episode. That will be in there with the the appropriate columns. We have 25 games we're going to go through here. um We're going go in chronological order of release.
00:05:10
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um The tiers are the S tier, the A tier, the B tier, the C tier, the D tier, and unfortunately the F tier. um In the future, maybe I'll get creative and rename them.
00:05:20
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Maybe we'll name them something off the theme of whatever we're doing. But we're going started right away with the seminal, the original Super Mario Bros that released for the Nintendo Entertainment System in 1985. That is Super Mario Bros. So James, start us off right here. Where would you rank Super Mario Bros? o
00:05:43
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I think this game is very good. I think, um, I do think it deserve deserves a little bit of credit as far as being a really, especially on consoles, being a pioneer of the platformer genre.
00:05:58
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But I also don't really like putting, i don't like justifying a game being a high up on a list because it was the original one and nothing after it would exist because then nothing could ever be better than the game that came before it.
00:06:12
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Um,
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I... I'm thinking... So, obviously, this game is pretty revolutionary for its time. um Especially what they were able to do on the n NES with the um music and the enemies and and the little hiccups that you would have and not being able to like walk backwards and stuff that they kind of had to figure out and how to get it to work on the and NES. um I'm thinking probably...
00:06:43
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ah this feels This feels so bad to say. Probably B? That's exactly what I'm thinking. I'm thinking traffic thinking high B tier. That's what I was thinking too. I was thinking B or or somewhere in A. I'm thinking high in my high little range Yeah, I think mainly if if we didn't have the other Mario games, I think this would be an S tier game, but they just outdid themselves later on.
00:07:09
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Yeah, and I'm thinking that our a tier from when I didn't i didn't go and like put them actually in um I was more prepared probably for the Zelda one when we did this. and That one I actually had it listed out in tier lists. But this, um it's like, I kind of know how I feel generally about all these games. So um I'm thinking that we're going to have a lot of games that we want to fit in the A tier.
00:07:33
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And so I was kind of thinking that if it started in A, it would probably get bumped to B anyway. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Like I said, yeah later on, we can um go back and, you know, make adjustments too, if needed.
00:07:44
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But yeah, I totally agree with you. A tier, the high, I mean, the high B tier, low A tier. So right now we'll put it in the high B tier. I do like it, but of when I'm going back to play like an older Mario game, it's never, like, I'm never like, oh, I'll put a first one.
00:07:58
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I'm not, I'm not interested in replaying Mario 1. No, and there are better ways to play it. I did probably replay it three or four months ago. But that was because it was i i was I had this moment where it's like, I don't know if I ever actually beat this game as a kid.
00:08:13
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um which So did you did you grow up playing Mario on NES? Yes. Well, so like I was born in 96, but we had me in the NES and I remember playing it a lot. I can beat this game in like 20 minutes.
00:08:26
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It's not that hard. um But i the last time I did like the full one through like no warp run. Yeah, I did it went on my flight to Hawaii. I did the no warp run from Mario Bros. 1 to 1, loss levels 2 and 3 and world.
00:08:40
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I did that. I beat all of them without dying and it took me like a couple hours. okay yeah so my i Obviously, i was I was born in 94, so I was not around for the n NES in its heyday.
00:08:50
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um But my my dad was into video games, and so he he was in he had ah the original trilogy on NES, and then he never had a Super Nintendo. So from...
00:09:02
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the and from really when I was a kid all the way up until the Nintendo 64 came out, all I would play was NES. Yeah. so Well, I mean, you can't go wrong. Of course. Great console, yeah.
00:09:14
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But let's move on to the next version, which it didn't come out in the US until we got the Super Nintendo port, but we're going to rank it like it came out next, and that is Super Mario Bros.
00:09:25
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The Lost Levels. This is the real Super Mario Bros. 2. Americans couldn't handle that the challenge that this was. Now, here's a very controversial take. I am a Lost Levels defender. I think this game freaking rules.
00:09:40
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It's one of my favorite 2D Mario games. In fact, if this was my personal ranking, this would be an S-tier game. Really? understand that Yes, I understand we have to take into account all you babies out there who can't handle the difficulty and the challenge of Super Mario Bros. Lost Levels. So I am going to nominate it for...
00:10:01
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A tier. But i'm open I'm open to hearing what you have to say. Well, I've actually never played this game. Okay. However, I'm interested. can i Can I ask you some questions to kind of yeah to kind of factor in my vote?
00:10:17
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um How... What makes this... so You said that it came to the Super Nintendo? So the first time we got it in the US was on the Super Mario All-Stars pack.
00:10:30
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Oh, okay that's okay. That's when they called it the Lost Levels. And we're like, what is this? And then, you know, couple years later, the internet, people were like, oh, this game was out in 1986. Gotcha. and Yeah.
00:10:41
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So then... I guess that would being as part of the that kind of like a remaster in the in Super Mario All-Stars does kind of push it up. I'm OK. I'm OK with that then, because I've seen clips of like the original Lost Levels that was, I think, released in Japan for the NES or the Famicom. Yeah, the Famicom. And it looks like it looks exactly like Super Mario 1.
00:11:06
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Yeah, it's the same art style. um Like, if you looked at it, there are a little subtle changes. Like, the the pixels are a little bit more fine-tuned. The levels are just... I think the level the level design is much more...
00:11:21
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I think the level design is much more crafted. ah There's more unique levels. Like, you know how in Mario 1 it kind of follows the format? Like, oh level 2, we're going to get the underground world. Level 3 is going to be like in the sky.
00:11:34
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This is like so different. like the Each individual world, like you don't know what's if you've never played it, you don't know what's coming next. So is there a part of it that can kind of feel like this is just everything that they weren't able to fit into the first game?
00:11:46
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And like, they were just kind of, they were like, whatever ideas they had, they were just kind of like, oh, let's do this later. This is a great idea. Okay. Yeah. Well, I'm going to be an eight tier. Yeah, a lot of people hate it for the difficulty. It is a much more... It might be the most challenging 2D Mario game.
00:12:04
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That's what I've heard. There are wrong way warps. So, like, if you go to a warp zone, you can get warped to a former war like a former world you've already completed. um Some of the castles are really tough. There's some really tough jumps, too.
00:12:18
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ah Like, you know the wind in later Mario games that like pushes against you? Mm-hmm. Like, this is where it came from. Okay. Yeah, so people kind of just get frustrated with that. But yeah there are, like, there are this is the first game with, like, poison mushrooms.
00:12:32
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Okay. Yeah. I've heard, yeah, I've heard that um some people would say that it's just so hard that it makes it to where it's like, not even fun. um But I guess if you play it if you play it enough to kind of to to get good at it, then maybe it would be fun.
00:12:47
Speaker
So I'm good. i'm souls This is the Dark Souls Mario. The Dark Souls platformer. Yeah. So yeah, we'll go A tier for now. and We'll see. We'll go from there. All right. All right. So next up, we have the um the American Super Mario Bros. 2. Yeah.
00:13:02
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yeah This one. ah James, what do you think about this one? I actually I'm gonna let you go first on this one. I want to hear i want to hear what you have to say first. Okay, I'm mixed with this one. So I'm not the biggest fan of this. I think it's very unique. It's very different than any of the other Mario platform games. And the fact that like you're going up.
00:13:22
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I love how it introduced the four characters. It made Luigi unique. He can jump higher. It also let you play as Peach, who can float. Toad, who's really fast, but he can't jump as high. And Mario's kind of like your balance character.
00:13:33
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It also gave us Birdo. um Some really weird bosses. Like, Bowser's not in this game. We have Wart. Yep. Very strange character. I can't believe he's not in Smash Bros.
00:13:45
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um But, like, you pick up turnips to throw on enemies. Like, you can't stomp on enemies. I think it's a really cool concept. But I don't think... As far as like a Mario game, I don't think it's that good.
00:13:59
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Okay. So, I would say this game would be like a C tier. Okay, I think that's solid. um I, as a kid, i really liked this game for how different and weird it was.
00:14:18
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But when I tried, actually replayed Super Mario 1, 2, and 3 earlier this year. And when I got to this game, I was just like, why are you so different and weird?
00:14:30
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like Like throwing the like potions down to go in these like secret doors, these secret doors that in the, some of the doors seem to like not really go anywhere. And if you put the potion in the wrong place, you might not be able to get anything from it.
00:14:44
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ah So I think there are a lot of really cool ideas in it, but it's the kind of thing that I like this, but it's not really what I wanted from a Mario game. I want Mario to be Mario.
00:14:57
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yeah and I wonder, like... So, obviously, you know, it's it's really Doki Doki universe. yeah like If that came out in America and it was called that and it didn't have Mario on it, I wonder if people would even like remember this game fondly.
00:15:08
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i I don't think so. I don't think so so i would say C tier. I'm sticking at C. Especially since I think the C and D and F...
00:15:23
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are probably going to be pretty light for us. So anything that we have a reason to throw down there, the better. Yeah. Get down there. We hate you.
00:15:33
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All right. So next up, we're going to run to... the Japanese release of Super Mario Bros. 3 came out in 1988. Obviously, it came here in 1990. I think this is pretty easy. I'm just going to say, ready? On three, we're going go one, two, three.
00:15:51
Speaker
S tier. S tier. All right. Thank you. Okay, thank you. This is an amazing game. Like, unbelievable. To think this game ran on the n NES and the... Impressive. Compared to the original Mario Bros., it's insane. Like, you had the overworld, which is like...
00:16:08
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the template for all 2D overworlds now. You can still see it today. um The variety and level. like the the just like the different lee theme Each world is a different theme.
00:16:20
Speaker
i do like Do you have a specific world that you like in this game? like what's your favorite one? i I loved the I don't remember if it's an entire world or part of a specific level.
00:16:30
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The one where everything is huge, which I think is part of like... Oh, I love that. I think that's a section of like World 4. Yeah. um I really like that one. I also really just like the art style and the weird stuff, how it seems like...
00:16:45
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this entire game is part of like a stage production or anything that in the beginning of the credits or in the the opening credits, it starts with like the curtain rising. um And then at all of the platforms seem to be like nailed onto a background. And then at the end of each level, you literally like go off stage.
00:17:03
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I just think it's so like, this is the, this is like the weird stuff that I want from Mario, not necessarily Doki Doki Panic. Yeah, and yeah, you nailed it. And it introduced like different enemies and introduced the sun coming after you. There's just a lot of variety. has the toad houses.
00:17:22
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It also introduced like um separate, like mini bosses almost, like mini castles, mini bosses, and optional levels. Was this the debut of the Koopa Kids?
00:17:34
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Or was that later? be The Koopalings? The Bowser's Kids? Yes, this was. Okay, that's what I was thinking. Yeah, it was. So, don't know, it was really cool. It wasn't like, oh, Bowser's at the end of, you know, Bowser's the villain, the enemy every time.
00:17:50
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And, like, imagine being in Japan, only getting Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros. 2, like, that were very similar in our style, and then getting this. Yeah, that would be... You're like, whoa! Such a huge jump. And, which I think we already touched on it a little bit, I do just think this is, it's so impressive that they were able to...
00:18:07
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get this game running on the n NES. Because if you compare this to like Mario one, where he has like his whole body is like five pixels. Yeah. that it just, you could tell how much, how much they really figured out that hardware and really had like mastery over what they were doing.
00:18:24
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And I do think that the, uh, music in this game is so good. So good. And they give you an item storage in this, like you can store your items in this. Like it's so impressive. And it gave us the warp whistle. It gave us some cool power-ups. A bunch of new, bunch of new items. Love the frog suit Mario. And I think this is the Tanuki. This was the yeah first one with Tanuki, right?
00:18:45
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Yep. First one. Yeah. All right. um Yeah. Such a overall great. I'm glad we agreed on that one. Yeah. Very much so. All right. That is actually my dad's one of his favorite games of all time.
00:18:57
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um All right. So next up we have Super Mario Land for the Game Boy. Now. Oh, boy.
00:19:08
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um i I'll start off with this one. Okay. uh i'm not a fan of this game at all i i think it is incredibly boring i hate the art style i think it's atrocious to look at like awful um ah it reminds me of like it's nintendo or like hey to this company went to another company and said hey i'm gonna license mario to you you guys just make this here you go I don't like it. It's really short. It's only four worlds. The power-ups are all different. It is kind of cool. The power-ups are all different, but I'm not... I just don't feel it. I think this is a D-tier game.
00:19:45
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yeah and This one was...
00:19:49
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ah This one was on Game Boy? Yeah, Game Boy. o gee OG Game Boy. i didn't play this game, but earlier today, as I was kind of looking around and stuff, I did watch some clips of the first couple levels.
00:20:03
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um First, though well the first thing I noticed was that this whole game apparently can be played in like 30 or 40 minutes. Oh, yeah, it's extremely short. There's only four worlds and the levels are very short.
00:20:14
Speaker
Yeah, well, it's like you can actually play every single level in like 30 or 40 minutes. Not like when not like with like Mario one where we're like, oh, yeah, you can beat that game in five minutes if you warp here, warp there, warp there, and then you're done. um And I don't really get how. So this game, let's see, it came out in 1989. So a few years after Mario i don't get how it looks so much worse because the any I'm my understanding I'm not a big heart I'm not a technical guy but my understanding is that the and NES and the Game Boy were very similar hardware which sometimes worked out really well with stuff like Link's Awakening but then sometimes didn't work out well in like this game
00:20:57
Speaker
Yeah, it is. It's just very odd. ah This also, but this introduces to Daisy. Daisy is in this game. She's like the princess you're trying to save. Okay. Cool. Because you're not in the Mushroom Kingdom. Yeah, but it's just it's odd. And I think it was their first attempt at like the handheld Mario. Maybe they were thinking, oh, it's handheld. We want to make it shorter.
00:21:17
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Yeah, but I don't know. I'm going to go with gen here on this one. Let's see. This was a Game Boy game. Was there any kind of way to like save your progress or anything?
00:21:28
Speaker
Uh, no, you could not say that. was like a password system. Maybe they made, okay, okay, well, i I forget that the password systems were a thing. Because I was thinking, maybe they tried to make it shorter because you would have to play, like, I don't know, the Game Boy used what, like, six AA batteries or something crazy like that.
00:21:44
Speaker
Or maybe like four AA batteries. like Maybe yeah they wanted people to be able to play the whole thing on like one one set of batteries or something. glads Because like, I don't know. also think maybe this came out in such the early life of Game Boy. They're like we need a Mario game. It's like near the beginning of this console. Just like throw throw something out there. Throw whatever you can.
00:22:03
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But yeah, I would go with D tier. i'm I'm good with that. It looked pretty bad. I'm glad I did. This was when you were asking me if I wanted to ah ah catch up on a couple of it, because I think I told you that i there are some games that I hadn't played.
00:22:17
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um And you told me that if we wanted to delay so I could play a couple of them, I saw this video. I'm like, absolutely not. I'm sorry. All right, we'll move on. So next up, we have our first Super Nintendo game, and that is Super Mario World. This is my second favorite overall Mario game and my favorite 2D Mario game.
00:22:39
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ah James, tell me, please tell me you have this in the correct tier. Where would you put this? I, well, this is when you're going to get a little disappointed in me. I have only played a little bit of this game. However,
00:22:54
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I'm confident that it belongs in the S tier. Oh, definitely. Because everybody says that this game is incredible. I think the art style is amazing.
00:23:04
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i think that
00:23:10
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there's there's probably one two d game later on i am in From everything that I've seen, i think this is peak Mario. At least in two d yeah And then there's maybe one game later that I think you could argue gi close to being up there.
00:23:31
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But I think that this belongs on the in the S tier. Yeah, I have it. I slotted it ahead of um Super Mario Bros. 3 in the S tier for me.
00:23:43
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I mean, okay I think it takes everything that Mario Bros. 3 does. And I think it does it better. It introduces which is like that's amazing to say. It also introduces some cool power ups. My favorite power up of all time, the cape. I love that cape. You can run straight up walls and you can do like the floating motion.
00:23:59
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um i think the overall like the world map is super cool. Like, I remember, so like, i had ah I had a poster of this world map that my dad got at the original launch of the game that he gave to me.
00:24:13
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and I remember just staring at it and being like, I want to go here. And it's this dinosaur land. It also introduced, well, not introduced, but it it gave my favorite Mario character of all time much more personality. And that is Yoshi.
00:24:26
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Yeah. Even if Mario is punching him in the back of the head the whole game. yeah Or throwing them off a cliff to, you know, make a jump higher heights.
00:24:37
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It also introduced some really cool enemies like the the football player. It just was so unique and it it It was a great game for early life early in the life of the SNES. Wait, the football players.
00:24:51
Speaker
Oh, Chargin' Chuck! Chargin' Chuck, they're football. Yeah, they have the football. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They do. Such cool, unique designs. introduced the boo houses as well as levels. um Which, personally...
00:25:08
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As somebody that likes to 100% my Mario games and find all of the big coins and the secret endings and stuff... The Boo houses, the they so they're they're tough.
00:25:20
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um too But one thing that I don't think that we've mentioned yet about this game is that I think that they really nailed down. Because i I'm not completely in the dark at this game. I've watched, like, a buddy of mine did a Let's Play a couple years ago where he played through the entire game. So I have seen the entire game.
00:25:35
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and it um And then I have played probably, like, a couple hours of it. But not really, not as obviously not as much as yourself. And not really a whole lot to definitively say that it belongs anywhere specifically on the list. But it um I think that they really nailed down how physics in Mario should work and how how high you should go when you bounce off certain enemies and how high um how fast you can run, how high you can jump normally, and um making sure the floor is not too slippery, which for some reason they... um The and NES games, you slipped lot, yeah.
00:26:12
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Oh, I was actually thinking the later games. I was thinking like... Oh, okay. We'll see. We'll talk about that when we get there. Some of them... Yeah.
00:26:22
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Yeah. we'll We'll talk about those later. But the... Because the... Going from the... Each of the games on the n NES, um they had very different like physics that...
00:26:35
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Mario, mark how high you could jump wasn't really consistent. And it seemed like this game was overall just better designed. That the different levels were specifically designed with how high you can jump, where your enemies are going to be, and actually like what you're able to do.
00:26:52
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Yeah. It feels much more intentional. Yeah. And the art is just gorgeous. like This is like, I love the 16-bit art, so this is gorgeous. But I'm glad we agree. tier. Right now, it's currently the highest S tier.
00:27:05
Speaker
Okay. All right. So next up, we are going to go with... All right. Super Mario Land 2. Six golden coins for the Game Boy. I never played the original Game Boy one. I played the re-release for the Game Boy Color, which added color to it.
00:27:19
Speaker
Okay. um Have you played this one? Uh-uh. Okay. So this is this is definitely an improvement on Super Mario Land 1. Okay. um so like It's a little bit longer. So like, six more?
00:27:30
Speaker
Yeah, I'd say see tier C tier. They add a little bit more, um but like below Super Mario Bros. 2, definitely. okay They add some... like It's really cool. They they have the bounce ball mechanic, which you see later in Mario Maker 2. They introduce like vehicles as like vehicle levels. like You can like ride in a plane and stuff, which is kind of cool. ah It also introduces Wario to this game. like oreos in this game like You're going after him.
00:27:57
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um And then there were like 100 Wario spinoff games. Yes, this is where Wario Land came from. Like, Wario Land came from this. Because their first Wario Land game is actually called Super Mario Land 3 Wario Land, which is funny.
00:28:09
Speaker
Even though you play as Wario in the game. And it's, like, not a Mario game at all. um The level designs are pretty cool, but it is very similar in um like design, level-wise, to the original Super Mario Land. It does look better.
00:28:24
Speaker
It did give us you know the wing cap from Mario 64. Yes. That came from this game. Okay. Nice. But it's more iconic with Mario 64, obviously. Right. Oh, I feel like Mario 64 is just generally a more iconic game.
00:28:37
Speaker
I feel like Mario 64 is more iconic than most games. You don't think Super Mario Land 2 is like the most iconic game ever? ah Six golden coins? No, but yeah, I think we can move on right there. Alright, next up... I was going to ask earlier, we you had mentioned briefly Super Mario All-Stars.
00:28:57
Speaker
Is that different enough to include it as its own separate thing? I wouldn't just because it's just like a remake of game. We didn't really include the remake. It's kind of what I was thinking too.
00:29:08
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that yeah it's It's all just visual upgrades, right? Visual upgrades and it feel when you play them, it feels like um Mario World. OK, so it does feel better.
00:29:20
Speaker
OK, but I figured we'd go with the original. Yeah, I mean, if you' play game if you're going to play the games, you play the all star versions. That's my opinion. I like the all star versions. I didn't do that. Maybe I should. I mean, I play the original as well, but the all star version is awesome.
00:29:33
Speaker
Yeah, I played them on when I played them this past year. I played them on Nintendo Switch Online just because they're all great service all over their phenomenal service. Alright, so next up we have ah almost like a swan song for the SNES. Super Mario World 2, Yoshi's Island. Now we are including this because... um Because you know why? Because I like this game. That's why we're including it.
00:29:54
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Alright? I decide. Now, James is jane likes this game too. So... i have This is the last game that I'm going to say this for. I have not played this game. okay the I've never owned a Super Nintendo.
00:30:07
Speaker
And so... yeah As I said earlier, I went straight from the NES to Nintendo 64. um So everything in that stretch right there is kind of in the dark for me.
00:30:18
Speaker
I also never my first Game Boy was a Game Boy Advance, which is why I didn't really get any of the early Game Boy games either. um But I this game always looks a little bit strange to me. I know that you play as Baby Mario.
00:30:33
Speaker
You play as Yoshi. You play Yoshi with Baby Mario on your back. Oh, yeah I didn't know that. I was under the impression that you were baby Mario. No. And then Yoshi was kind of in and out of the game.
00:30:44
Speaker
Like you could like ride him and stuff. Okay. So Yoshi is with you actually for the entire game. The entire game. Just like all, this is the first Yoshi game. But like, because it's called Super Mario World, we're going stick with that. Just like Yoshi's New Island and all those games, you play as Yoshi.
00:30:57
Speaker
Okay, yeah. yeah So actually, it it would have... So, okay, so if you had argued to not include this game, like knowing that you actually do play as Yoshi the entire time... The entire game, yeah.
00:31:10
Speaker
Okay. So I guess but what do you what do you think about this game? I really like it. This is the first game that I ever beat on my own. Okay. Like by myself.
00:31:20
Speaker
ah It is very... Well, like not... like just I beat it. i i didn't 100%. There are a lot of collectibles as most Yoshi games have a ton of collectibles. Yeah.
00:31:31
Speaker
It can be very annoying because when Mario um falls off your back, he just cries the whole time. He's like, ah! well You have to go back and get him? yeah You have 10 seconds or you start losing life.
00:31:45
Speaker
Oh, I see. So the the plot of this game is that... um Mario and yo and Baby Mario and Baby Luigi are taken from like their parents. And mario Baby Mario like falls out. of It's by Kamek and but um Baby Bowser.
00:32:01
Speaker
like the Like Bowser, but like Baby Bowser. Not Bowser Jr., but Baby Bowser. um Kamek steals him. Seals Baby Mario and Baby Luigi. And on their way back to Baby Bowser, Baby Mario falls out.
00:32:15
Speaker
And he lands in this village of Yoshis. And for some reason, they know, like, oh, we need to transport him and go get his brother. So you're trying to save Baby Luigi whole time. And so part of is part of the game is that like returning them back home, right?
00:32:27
Speaker
That's like the... Not really, no. It's just trying to go save Baby Luigi with the Okay. um So they can be raised by dinosaurs on on Yoshi's Island. but Yes, basically. um The art style really cool. this is like This game had the... f you know the Super Nintendo had this like FX chip and it made like the sound effects and the visuals extremely like insane.
00:32:48
Speaker
There's a level in this game called... It's like... um touch it's like fuzzy it's called like touch and go fuzzy or something and it is like if you touch something the whole screen starts to like go up and down and uh it gets visually crazy um it's really cool um but again people get really annoyed with the baby mario thing um it is one of those games that you have life too it's not like it's not like in mario yeah brothers where like you get hit by an enemy and you're dead right so how does the how does life work you have like You get hit by an enemy, you lose like some... like um It's almost like Mario 64 where you have like a life bar. Okay, okay but you have you'll have like a set number of hit points still? or is it like You have a timer. you have a timer
00:33:29
Speaker
okay so it's like If you get hit, Baby Mario falls off you and that timer starts to count down. If it hits zero, you you die. okay but when you get maybe When you get Baby Mario back, the timer freezes.
00:33:41
Speaker
And then throughout the level it'll slowly go back up when you... No, there are collectibles that you can collect. And if you collect certain collectibles, the timer goes up. I think it is a max of... I think it's 20 seconds or 30 seconds. I'm not sure. Okay.
00:33:53
Speaker
And um does that make it... the Having an actual life bar thing, does that make it an easier game?
00:34:02
Speaker
ooh How do I put this? ah Yes and no. okay There are very challenging aspects of this game. There are some levels. There are optional levels to this game depending on... um But there are there's a mainline path. And if you just play the mainline path, you're only going to... you're only going to, there's no overworld. You're only going to see the mainline levels. But if you get like ah certain collectibles, like say you get all of the sunflower, the sunflowers in the game and a level, you'll get the mainline path will come. And then like below it, there'll be a branching path with like a secret level.
00:34:34
Speaker
The secret levels are very difficult. There are a lot of them. Yeah. um But I thought it was, I really liked it because it was the first one. i have a very nostalgic memory. it was the first game I ever beat on my own. I think the final boss is really cool. You go actually up against baby Bowser and Kamek.
00:34:49
Speaker
That's so funny. ands yeah It is very funny. And the remake on the Game Boy Advance was really cool. um They remade it for, super it was like Super Mario Advance 2, I think. Yoshi's Island. Yeah, I think that was it.
00:35:01
Speaker
Yeah. And that was really fun. But yeah, this is this started off the Yoshi series. That's why I like it. So, I will be objective, though. I will be objective. I think this is a B-tier game. B-tier?
00:35:13
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. I was kind of leaning more towards A-tier, because I do think that there's something to be said just for it being such a... like we We keep talking about Nintendo having like kind of weird and fun ideas. I think the idea of Mario being a baby and being transported around by Yoshi is really odd, but it does kind of sound like it works.
00:35:39
Speaker
Trust me, it does. And this introduced so many like aspects in later Yoshi games that if you play this, you're going to understand now. like oh I understand why all these creatures are in these Yoshi games now, ah like which is funny.
00:35:50
Speaker
um I guess but I would I would say high I would say above Super Mario Bros in the beats here. So right now, yeah I'm fine. Yeah. And then if we if we feel the need to kind of even some stuff out later, we can.
00:36:03
Speaker
Yeah. So ah just to recap right now, our rankings currently go S tier. And this is in order as well. S tier Super Mario World and Super Mario Bros three. A tier, Super Mario Bros. The Lost Levels.
00:36:13
Speaker
B tier, Super Mario World 2, Yoshi's Island. ah as Super Mario Bros. C tier, Super Mario Land 2, the six golden coins. And Super Mario... Oh, Super Mario Bros. 2. then Super Mario Land 2, the six golden coins.
00:36:29
Speaker
And the D tier, Super Mario Land. Alright. Alright. i think next up, James, I'm going to let you take this because this is... ah i think I think you'll have a lot to say about this game.
00:36:41
Speaker
and that is Super Mario 64, the launch title for the N64. i Okay, before I say what is objectively correct and needs to be said, ah do have a question.
00:36:58
Speaker
Are we going to count Super Mario 64 DS as a separate game, or are we just going to lump it all together?
00:37:09
Speaker
Separate game. Because it's so different and you play as It is so different. They add a lot. They add a lot. They have like four different characters. Okay. Yeah. it's very Because it's very different.
00:37:21
Speaker
um In that case, I think this game sucks. Whoa! Hot take alert!
00:37:29
Speaker
um I don't know if it would be bad enough to stick it all the way down in F tier because I do think that the... um I think there's a lot of stuff that they do really right. Like... um kind of figuring out how you want the different worlds to be accessible from the hub world. I think jumping in and out of the paintings is a really cool way to get there.
00:37:50
Speaker
um i think the way that Mario moves around and the triple jump system um that they figured out was um good, even though they didn't um have at... Even though they didn't really stick with it forever.
00:38:07
Speaker
um but And this is a game that would have I probably would have put a lot higher on this list had I not replayed it when Super Mario 3D All-Stars came out.
00:38:20
Speaker
um Because... I don't know how to say this other than like it was like painful to play. It's a time before giving people... it's a time before giving people
00:38:36
Speaker
i i am yeah I know. I'm aware that this is an unpopular opinion. um But this was a time before giving people complete control over the camera. So trying to play this game in whatever year that was, 2022, 2023. 2020, September 2020. Wow. didn't realize it had been that long.
00:38:52
Speaker
The entire time, it just kind felt like I was... um it i the entire time it just kind of felt like i was fighting the camera, and I also, i played and loved Super Mario 64 DS, and how this remastered version of a game in 2020 felt so much worse to play than DS game from 2004, and four
00:39:24
Speaker
i if it If this was my personal list, which I... um it's in our list This is our list. This is our list. I know. This is our list. But if this was my personal list, this would probably be at the very, very bottom.
00:39:38
Speaker
um Unless i i don't don't I... don't think it's bad enough to call it F tier. But i would probably put it I would probably want to put it D. But I also know that...
00:39:51
Speaker
This game means a lot to people. um And so I am open to hearing ah what you think about this game and putting it somewhere in the middle.
00:40:05
Speaker
Hearing you say that Super Mario 64 DS plays better than this is so painful to me. Oh, it definitely does. Are you kidding me? You're using D-pad. Yeah.
00:40:18
Speaker
yeah You have to hold down a button to run. yeah like totally against everything that Smart N64 has. The joystick was like... i mean and This is from coming from an N64 hater. and I have the exact opposite opinion of you.
00:40:31
Speaker
I replayed it in 2020 on the three d All-Stars collection and i liked it even more. i i did this game is I think this game is immaculate. I think it was so far ahead of its time. That long jump feels so good. I love just running around the world doing the long jump.
00:40:48
Speaker
I think this blows 64DS out of the water. When I got 64DS, I was so disappointed. i was I'm like, this game plays like garbage. Um... i hate how ds feels and i'm not trying to remember we need to focus on mario 64 i think the world design is super cool i love jumping in out of the paintings all of them are so different um i love absolutely love the um the big giant world where you go back and forth from being giant to being small um
00:41:21
Speaker
Like, you know, one, you can, like, go down the pipe, and then you're small, and all the enemies are really big. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I love that. I love the idea of the endless staircase. I remember finding out that you could glitch it and, like, do, like, the backwards long jump and get up there, and that's how speedrunners do it. I remember the first time I nailed that, I thought it was so cool. I'm like, whoa.
00:41:41
Speaker
I should... probably add a disclaimer in here. Somehow, I did not own this game as a kid. How did you you own 964 and you didn't own this game?
00:41:52
Speaker
No. um I would play it over at friends' houses and stuff, and so like it was fun to go over there and play it. Um... And I definitely owned Super Mario 64 DS, which might be why I like that version. Okay. um But however, the fact that I did not own this game
00:42:16
Speaker
and it really didn't play it in depth at its time. um i'm i'm I'm pretty open. so So what tier do you think this game belongs in?
00:42:27
Speaker
If yeah personally I wasn't here hating it. etere S tier. S tier. S tier by far. and would be It would be the third game in the S tier, right? Currently. Currently. what are you Do you like this game more than super Mario World and 3?
00:42:46
Speaker
No, no. i okay okay and i I do not like it more than Lost Levels. And I do... Well... My personal list... like I don't know.
00:43:01
Speaker
I will compromise with you, though. And I will say we can put it... what if we The first game in the B tier. What if we lump them together... as what if So you don't like Super Mario 64 DS.
00:43:14
Speaker
And we lump them together? What if we lump them together and then kind of put it somewhere in the middle? Okay. Want to do top of the tier? Yeah. Right Yoshi's Island? what want to do top of the beats here but's a solid of yoshi's island I would even... I think I could even be... It did kind of depends on how crowded it gets later. But I think I could even be convinced for bottom of the a tier. Okay, we'll put it there. I'm good with that. I know that I started out the video. like You hadn't even said hi yet. And I said that I hate when people say that games are the first of the series. So they have to be at the top of the list, whatever. But I do think that this game was revolutionary enough...
00:43:56
Speaker
that they that that I would be okay with kind of making that argument on this game. Okay, out right now I'll put it the bottom of the A tier. Maybe we'll move it to the B tier. I'm okay with that. I am okay with that.
00:44:10
Speaker
yeah um One more thing before we move on. Dire Dire Docks. Love that level, and I love the music.
00:44:19
Speaker
i that my I do think it has really good music. I just think...
00:44:28
Speaker
Especially playing it now. you think like i think the camera's bad. I also just think they didn't... Like, obviously, first time we were seeing Mario in 3D, I think they needed to spend a little more time with the art.
00:44:41
Speaker
Especially when you're going to start out the game by having a floating 3D Mario head that just looks like... That looks scary.
00:44:52
Speaker
Like...
00:44:54
Speaker
I spent a lot of hours messing with that messing with that head. And I do think i do think this also... um of the This game's also very accessible today because it's both on Nintendo Switch Online and it was part of that All-Stars, which I know is hard to find now.
00:45:16
Speaker
But also, yeah, let's give it a point being pretty accessible, too. Okay. for being pretty accessible too hu Alright, we're going to move on. right Next up, we have, for the GameCube, Super Mario Sunshine 2002. I'm to say right now, i will let you know, this is my favorite Mario game.
00:45:35
Speaker
Oh, really? my favorite Mario game. I freaking love this game. like This was my... like How some people feel about Mario 64 is how I feel about Sunshine. I think this is a perfect game.
00:45:46
Speaker
I think this game is incredible. This this is all is hands down my favorite Mario game at all. oh no no No questions asked. um It might be because I just played this game endlessly as a kid because for a while it was like the only game that I had.
00:46:05
Speaker
But I also... i I play this game, I 100% this game every single year. And when yeah it really hurt my feelings when the 3D All-Stars came out and people were saying that they didn't like it.
00:46:19
Speaker
um do you i was like so annoyed at the the discourse around people saying that the game's not very good that I started a YouTube channel and 100% game camera.
00:46:30
Speaker
on camera Um, so I, people get the blue coins a lot of flack. I think it's awesome. I think it is so creative how they, um, put these blue coins the place. There like mini challenges to get them.
00:46:44
Speaker
Um, and I know my favorite world is actually Noki Bay and I know the blue coins there are like, Oh, the worst. You can't even find, you can't even find a good guide for it online. Like you have to watch a video. Yeah.
00:46:58
Speaker
But with that said, being a kid, it it it was immensely replayable because of that. Like I wanted to 100. It took me years to 100% it as a kid. Yeah. i refused to look at a guide. i remember when I finally did it, I like freaked out. It took me years.
00:47:12
Speaker
I got this game the day it came out. I was six years old because I got my GameCube two weeks before that was my birthday. Two weeks to the day it came out. I got it and I got Super Smash Bros. Melee. And I knew...
00:47:23
Speaker
ah Sunshine was coming out two weeks later. yeah So i um I asked all my friends for my birthday party. said, just give me money. Just give me money. I'm six years old and I just got money and I saved it. Two weeks later, I got Sunshine. Nice.
00:47:35
Speaker
Freaking in love. And I remember going to, cause I was going to the first grade. Yeah. And remember going to first grade and being like, this game is just blown me away.
00:47:45
Speaker
I love flood. I think it's so cool. I love all the different worlds. I know there's not as many as the other Mario, um, 3d games. I love the whole idea of like going to the amusement park and then you can go to like the Harbor. Yeah. Uh, you can go to this, like almost like a, like a,
00:48:00
Speaker
like or not a resort, but like well you have obviously the hotel, but then you also have like the like the village where other people live. You have two different villages, like beyond um Bianco Hills. You have the beach.
00:48:13
Speaker
I absolutely love it. I love the tropical setting and how even all of the different locations kind of play a part in that setting. You were saying you have the amusement park and you've got the hotel and you've got this village and then that village. Yeah.
00:48:30
Speaker
Gelato Beach. Oh, I love it. I just, man, I think this game is so good. I'm glad that you feel the same way. Yeah, dude. I remember the first time going to the Skybird, like for the red coins at Gelato Beach and being like, that took me like three or four days to beat that red coin level. yeah I would get like six or seven and fall.
00:48:49
Speaker
The Sandbird. um that I remember that game being super hard when I was a kid. Yeah, now I'm just like... Now, i don't know that there's anything in this game that I would say is really hard now, except there's the lily pad level. um Yeah, the lily pad level. Just getting there is like... getting Yeah, getting there is pretty tough.
00:49:11
Speaker
um I just glitched my way there now. But even then, I find because I guess I have so much experience with that game, the parts of it that are really hard like that, I just find them to be I find it to be like a nice challenge.
00:49:27
Speaker
Do you remember? did yeah you You might have done this when you' were a kid. The first time you could get up to, you know, like ah Pianta Village, like up on top of the. Did you ever try to get up there like without like before you're supposed to get up there? Yeah.
00:49:41
Speaker
Do you ever nail it? No. I did and I remember the first time I nailed it, I like freaked out and I got like picked up our her like our home phone and called my friend Trevor because my me and my friend Trevor were like Nintendo nerds and I go, dude, I got to pee at the village without the rocket nozzle.
00:49:57
Speaker
And he's like, what? And I'm like, I'm not gonna go in. I'm just gonna wait. He goes, I'm like, you have to come over. I gotta show you. So he came over. He rode his bike over. He lived like a mile away. And then I jumped off and then it took me like two hours to get back up there.
00:50:10
Speaker
And I finally nailed it. That's so funny. I love this game. What's your favorite overall like world in this game? I really like... See, mine's Noki Bay. One, I love the music.
00:50:24
Speaker
And I love the whole idea of the water being polluted and you're trying to like... You know, you have to be a dentist to a whale. Yeah. I think Noki Bay is really cool. I really like the um like the tunnels and stuff because the world seems really simple at first and then there's this really in-depth tunnel system.
00:50:44
Speaker
It's so much lore behind Noki Bay. i like...
00:50:51
Speaker
Gelato Beach is really good too. Gelato Beach is a good one. Giant Wiggler. Oh my god. there, think I might like Pinup Park the most. That was my favorite as a kid.
00:51:03
Speaker
I thought it was so cool as a kid, but then the more I've played it over the years... I don't know. I have i have different things that I like about each level. i Actually, Um... um that Serena Beach might be my favorite.
00:51:18
Speaker
Dude, the first time i went there and that the first level with a giant stingray. Yeah. That took me so long to beat. I remember being so hard. When I first beat it and the hotel showed up, I was like what is going on?
00:51:32
Speaker
Like, I couldn't believe that as a kid was probably the most challenging world because you have that. You have the the casino level. It's hard to figure out like what you needed to do. I think that's the best boss battle in the game.
00:51:44
Speaker
that Oh, definitely. The Mantis Storm. Yeah, the Mantis Storm is so... God, I can gush about Mario Sons. We could be here all day talking about it. We should do a whole episode on Mario Sons.
00:51:55
Speaker
I think that that world, the low I think the low point of that world is anything in the ca anything that takes place in the casino. It was hard to figure out as a kid. It was hard to figure out. And then some of the like the slot machines and stuff that you have to mess with.
00:52:10
Speaker
um And the... I do think that there's one specifically where you have to spray all these tiles on a wall. to be able to like make a picture of Abu or something appear, or like a shine sprite, so that you could go into like a warp pipe to get to a hidden level.
00:52:29
Speaker
And the GameCube wasn't really precise enough to actually be able to like get them pretty effectively. It would seem like you were trying to spray like just this one over here in the corner, and then all of a sudden it would actually spray like all of them over here.
00:52:46
Speaker
um One more thing before we move on. We're going to move on. James, I want you back on. We're going do a full episode on Mario Sunshine. We're going to do a full spoiler breakdown.
00:52:57
Speaker
I'm so down. i have even Even over on my channel, I think and whenever I don't know what to do for a video, I haven't been making as many videos lately, but whenever I didn't know what to do, I would just do something related to Super Mario Sunshine.
00:53:11
Speaker
I think I have ones that are like... I think I ranked like my favorite bosses, my favorite worlds, my favorite, like everything. We're going to creative about whole Mario Sunshine episode. So don't worry. less Oh, we should.
00:53:22
Speaker
ah One thing I do want to mention before we move on is how awesome. I know people give it a lot like the floodless sub world, the floodless worlds. When Mario or Bowser Jr. Steals your flood. Yeah.
00:53:34
Speaker
The first time that happened, I freaked out. Like, I had no what was going on. Getting so caught off guard because you don't have Flood with you. Like, because everything that you've been taught so far has been to rely on Flood. And then I also really like when you go back to those levels and then you you have blood you have flood and then you get to do the Red Coin challenges in there, too. I think it's a nice way of kind of getting to reuse the same area and making it, like, another challenge. Because I think... I mean...
00:54:03
Speaker
I know we keep saying that we're going to move on I do think that they did a really good job in this game of reusing areas and kind of reusing objectives and reusing different bosses. Cause some of the mini bosses, the not, not wiggler.
00:54:19
Speaker
What's the one, ah gooper blooper. I think you, hooper who blooper like for I think even more. oh three times twice at Regal Harbor. And then once at Noki Bay. Uh-huh.
00:54:30
Speaker
um and they're reusing objectives and stuff the um red coin like I think there's like 25 shines that come from like collecting red coins or something and there's two in Bianco Hills there's one in the village and then there's one jumping along like the bungee ropes basically yeah this overall immaculate game cannot wait to do our episode on it yeah let's keep going but yeah let's keep going Alright, so that's number one for our list right now. We'll see if we can top that.
00:55:01
Speaker
Alright, so next up we have um four-year hiatus, new Super Mario Bros. for the DS. um James, want take this one away?
00:55:12
Speaker
I think this game is pretty good. um It's been a very, very long time. So I mentioned Super Mario 64 DS earlier. As a kid, I had this game and my friend had Super Mario 64 DS and then we traded. Ooh. Yeah.
00:55:31
Speaker
And I still have Super Mario 64 DS. Okay. I remember... really liking this game as a kid and playing it a bunch, but I don't remember ah ton about like the actual levels and what makes it very different from some of the other 2D Mario games.
00:55:52
Speaker
um I remember kind of feeling like it was just a remake of Mario 1, but with a more updated style. What I really did like about this game, though, was the minigames.
00:56:04
Speaker
There was this Luigi Casino minigame Oh, first time I ever played blackjack. That was... addicted. That was awesome. um And so for that alone, I do think we could... I could speak pretty highly of it.
00:56:18
Speaker
um I'm not...
00:56:22
Speaker
But if you if you sat me down, I guess i'm I'm literally sitting down, but if I had to tell you the difference between New Super Mario Bros. DS and New Super Mario Bros. 2, which is also on DS, and New Super Mario Bros. Wii, I don't really know that I could tell you the difference between all these different games. So...
00:56:41
Speaker
I can tell you the difference. okay i think New Super Mario... I'm a very strong defendant of the New Super Mario Bros. series, but I think of the New Super Mario Bros. games, I think this is the weakest one.
00:56:51
Speaker
okay um Mainly because i very much agree with you. I think this is almost like a one-to... Not a one-to-one, but this is very much a remake of... like the original super mario bros obviously they include some new level design like there's some snow levels and some ice and all that but i i think that the game is actually very short um people don't realize how short it is really the levels are very the levels that each individual level is very short um the warps are really generous like really really generous like the cannons because they're all cannon warps
00:57:24
Speaker
Um, they're very easy to get like later Super Mario Bros games, right? Super Mario Bros games where you have to do like intricate things. Um, I thought it was pretty cool how they, this is like the first 2d game where um we get like the modern interpretation of dry bones, um, where you step on him and you like fall like that modern interpretation where he falls and he doesn't come back to life and he comes back to life.
00:57:45
Speaker
Okay. Oh yeah. yeah Yeah. Um, it was really cool for the time. This is the first 2d Mario game we'd gotten since basically super Mario world essentially. Yeah. Um, I like it.
00:57:56
Speaker
It is my least favorite of the new super Mario brothers games. Um, One thing I will say, though, it did get my dad... this is My dad was ah he quit Nintendo after SNES. He was like, I'm never going to play Nintendo he hated the Bowser Claw for the N64 controller.
00:58:10
Speaker
yeah This got him to buy his own DS, though, because he saw me play games. He's like, wow, I need this. so he's He still likes 2D Mario. He still likes 2D Mario. So I would put this at the... um I know this sounds like we've been like bragging on it, but I would put it ahead of the original Super Mario Bros, but behind Yoshi's Island. So i would put it in the middle of the B tier right now.
00:58:31
Speaker
Okay. I think so. um i don't think i don't think it's bad. like I don't know, at least from what I remember, i don't really remember there being a whole bunch that it did wrong, if anything.
00:58:46
Speaker
i just did a lot it was It's very good. I remember not really feeling like it did very much to stand out. It's like if I've already played ah other than other than seeing Mario and a little bit more like better quality.
00:59:03
Speaker
Is there really a reason to play this if I had already played Mario one? Or, and, like, at the time, like, I remember, like, at the time, it was, like, so cool because we hadn't gotten one in a long time. Right. But I understand, and we didn't really have access to be able to play all the other ones, like, very easily.
00:59:20
Speaker
Unlike today. It's, like I kind of feel like, so this was a DS game. I kind of feel like when they are doing a lot of their DS stuff, it seems like it's kind of like experimental. Like, hey, let's throw this out there and kind of see how it does.
00:59:35
Speaker
And then they'll usually follow it up with a ah like a full console version, um which i wish they did. Yeah. um Does this game, does it have different power-ups and stuff? and Yeah, they introduced, like this is the only the only different power-up this game has. well They have the Mega Mushroom in this game, and the giant Mega mega Mushroom. That was a big selling point. I do remember that, actually.
01:00:01
Speaker
I remember that from the trailer where it looks just like Super Mario Bros. 1, that very first level. then it's really big, yep. Yeah, okay. yeah I think B tier's a selling point.
01:00:11
Speaker
Yeah, I would say the middle of the B tier. So, like, ahead of the original Super Mario Bros., but not ahead of Yoshi's Island. Yeah. um yeah Fun fact. I just think that the levels are not as memorable as some of the other ones.
01:00:24
Speaker
um This is the first game that we've talked about that is not available on Switch. Yes, that is true, and will be getting to more of those. Yes, there's a stretch. yeah I think we're going to see some of these on Switch eventually.
01:00:40
Speaker
Yeah, but i'm um I'm okay putting that in the middle of B tier. Okay, next up we have our first Wii game that is Super Mario Galaxy. um I'll start this one off. I really, really like Galaxy. Like, i like it a lot.
01:00:53
Speaker
um On my 3D ranks, though, of Mario games, um Galaxy is the second to last. Really? i still really like it.
01:01:04
Speaker
um I don't like how you... they I don't like the pointer and like having to collect star bits of the pointer. I really don't like that. The remake, I really... like I know you can play it with the Pro Controller on the in the 3D collection.
01:01:18
Speaker
Yeah. But it still feels like like floating. You still to have the point. You still use the pointer. Mm-hmm. um I don't like how it is. It's almost like it's a 3D Mario game, but it feels closer to like, I don't know. How do I say this? It feels closer to like, it took segments of like a 2D Mario game and made them 3D almost to me.
01:01:43
Speaker
Okay. I don't like the... It's funny that you say that because that's how I feel about a different game that we're going to talk about later. ah three oh that's which I really like that game. It's funny. I don't like the life bar in this game, how it's like the three and then you can get it up to the six. I really don't like that.
01:01:59
Speaker
I think some of the power-ups are really cool. like i love... um actually think the galaxy design pretty cool as well. I like the introduction introduction of Rosalina. I think the game is very easy, but it it had that that we feel and like shaking the Wiimote. That's what I really don't like about it. I do think it's very easy that yes, it felt like they were trying to take Super Mario Sunshine and make it a lot easier.
01:02:25
Speaker
which I remember really liking it as a kid. And I do think it's worth pointing out that this game is available on switch and the 3d all stars, uh, collection. yeah and scalsy too Um, and I did like it as a kid. i think the idea of Mario flying around in space and, um being on a spacecraft and flying, like I find it all to be a little bit strange. Yeah. Strange.
01:02:53
Speaker
but also cool, but... And I do really think that the um how each little like micro planet would have its own like gravitational field and stuff.
01:03:05
Speaker
I thought that stuff was really cool as well. I have a question for you. If they were to bring this game to Nintendo Switch 2 and put the um pointer controls on and have you do like the mouse controls or something for it. Do you think that would be better or worse for you?
01:03:22
Speaker
i think it'd be better. i think it'd be a little bit better. I think the mouse controls are freaking awesome. I think they're really cool. Did you play... We're we're getting a little we getting a little off topic. Did you play any of Nintendo Switch 2 Welcome Tour? I did not, actually. I've not played it, and I don't plan on it. Okay, I played it. i think it was really interesting. It was actually really informative.
01:03:40
Speaker
um And a lot of really cool information in there that I could see Switch 2 Welcome Tour being like like kids some kids today that somehow end up playing it.
01:03:52
Speaker
and see it and want to buy it or something, I could see there being people who are like, yeah, um Switch 2 Welcome Tour like thought taught me how like frame rates work and taught me about all these different like components and like the difference between like a GPU and a CPU and like all this stuff. It actually goes like really in-depth.
01:04:09
Speaker
um It's hard to recommend to people, though. Anyway, I, um do you think that the, I think it would be better on the mouse controls. I don't really know when I would want to play it like that though.
01:04:22
Speaker
i do. I do need to go back and replay this game though. Cause I um haven't replayed. I've, I've, it's funny. Like I hadn't seen obviously as a kid as well. And I really liked it as a kid, but I never found myself going back to this game nearly as much as I went back to sunshine 64 or even galaxy two, to be honest.
01:04:41
Speaker
Um, Which is funny. We'll we'll talk about Galaxy 2 in a little bit. But for right now, I would say I'd put this at the bottom of the B tier right now. I'd put it below the original Super Mario Bros.
01:04:53
Speaker
Bottom of the B tier? ah where would you put it? Would you put it the top of the B tier? I'm not really sure. i like this game. ah It bothers me that people say that this is the best 3D Mario game.
01:05:08
Speaker
Oh, it definitely bothers me. Everyone says this is like the peak of Mario. I'm like, it is not. I feel like...
01:05:15
Speaker
I'm more open to people saying that Super Mario 64 is the best 3D Mario of the game than I am to this one. However, I think Super Mario 64 is way worse than this game. Okay. um why don't we Why don't we... Sorry, we're not really going anywhere. we're just No.
01:05:32
Speaker
I'll tell you what. Why don't we put this B tier, but right behind Yoshi's Island? So the second place of the B tier. Or would you rather have in the A tier?
01:05:43
Speaker
Can you remind me... Sorry, I'm drawing a blank. Can you remind me what the B tier looks like? What other games are in there? B tier right now is Yoshi's Island, New Super Mario Bros., and then original Super Mario Bros.
01:05:54
Speaker
A tier lost levels than Mario 64. Would you like it ahead of Mario 64? I do think it's better than Mario 64, but I know that you like Mario 64 a lot, so...
01:06:07
Speaker
and
01:06:11
Speaker
Part of my issue with Galaxy outside of the gravitational pull on the micro planet thing, i feel like a lot of this game is just pretty forgettable. that I don't remember the individual worlds and the individual at levels. I remember like the B power-up.
01:06:25
Speaker
um But then that's about it. It doesn't seem to have the same like Mario charm that even super Mario 64 and especially Super Mario Sunshine have in my eyes.
01:06:39
Speaker
I'm good sticking it. Probably bottom of the B tier. Okay. Bottom of the B tier it is. And you know how I said it was my second? um so It's actually my least favorite 3D Mario game. That's what I meant to say. Least favorite? Okay, okay, okay. That's my least favorite 3D, which is funny.
01:06:54
Speaker
But all right.
01:06:57
Speaker
I think it would probably be the next one up for me after Super Mario 64.
01:07:06
Speaker
Okay, interesting. Okay. All right, next up we got New Super Mario Bros. Wii. This was the first 2D Mario game with multiplayer. ah I'll go it off. I really like this game. This is my second favorite New Super Mario Bros. game.
01:07:20
Speaker
okay I have a lot of fond memories they just playing multiplayer. I remember the day I got this game. it was November 2009. I made my parents go to the Silver City Galleria Mall. and um Me and my dad knew this game was coming out. and So did my sister. and My mom needed to go clothes shopping. so we we they had like It was a mall with a Best Buy in it. and like you You went in through like the Best Buy entrance.
01:07:42
Speaker
I remember running over and being like, Dad, we have to get this. so We got it. and then That night, we all played four-player with my mom. And it was super fun, super chaotic. um We, me, and then my mom, that was the only time she ever played it. But then me, my sister, and my dad, like us, three player mode, 100% of this game.
01:08:00
Speaker
Dang. um Yeah, were we, and it was so much fun. I think this is a huge step up over New Super Mario Bros. Okay. I think the level, I think the level design is a lot cooler.
01:08:10
Speaker
ah It's not, it's much more challenging. It's not just like a, the the diversity of the levels are, Much different than New Super Mario Bros. um I thought it was really cool to play a 2D Mario on like a big screen like that, too. i thought it looked gorgeous for the Wii. This introduced a propeller power-up, too.
01:08:30
Speaker
Yes, that's an awesome power-up. Yes. um So, yeah. i personally I remember the propeller and the penguin being really big. Dude, the penguin is freaking awesome. and freakin But this wasn't this was not when the penguin debuted, right?
01:08:46
Speaker
Yeah, no, this was when the Penguin debuted. This was the debut of the Penguin. Okay, I was thinking it might have been earlier. um Which is funny because you look like the Penguin from Mario 64. It's hilarious. I really like this game a lot. I think I would put it at the bottom of the A tier.
01:09:00
Speaker
That would be me. I think it would be behind Mario 64.
01:09:05
Speaker
But I'd be open to putting it ahead of Mario 64 if you're ahead of it. or if you want i would I think I would want it ahead of Mario 64. I'm good with that because I really... This game, i really enjoy. I think I have a lot of fond memories with it. I thought it was so cool how you had the the multiplayer in there, like I said.
01:09:21
Speaker
And... um They had like sub, almost like sub, not sub worlds, but like interstitial worlds where like between world four and world five, like you'd have like an airship level akin to Mario three, which was super cool.
01:09:38
Speaker
And it had like the the classic music. It had that airship music, which is super cool. And, um, it introduced, it just made, I think it did, took everything Mario Bros, new Super Mario Bros did just made it better.
01:09:53
Speaker
All right. And the multiplayer is chaotic. Yeah. I remember this game... Let's see. These ones... So, Super Mario DS... New Super Mario Bros. DS... New Super Mario Bros.
01:10:06
Speaker
Wii... And then New Super Mario Bros. Wii 2... And New Super Mario Bros. Wii 2... Wii... All kind of get lumped together in my mind. We're going to talk about it we get to you. Yeah, yeah. Well, I was wondering...
01:10:20
Speaker
What does make this game so different than New Super Mario Bros. Oh, what when we get to U, when we get to U, I'll tell you why. i Spoiler alert, I think U is my you was my third favorite Mario game of all time.
01:10:34
Speaker
Really? Interesting. Okay. yeah so So you would say it's probably like a half step in the right direction between ah ds and u
01:10:46
Speaker
Half step between the... I think... Or would it be closer to... It would make more sense when we talk about it later. Okay, okay. um I do also remember that... So the Wii was such a multiplayer-centric... Like, this is what the whole family can do.
01:11:02
Speaker
And I remember that this was one of, like... other than like Super Smash Bros. and stuff, when I think about the Wii, I think about getting three of your friends together and playing this game, and I really liked that you could play it with just like a sideways Wii remote because the controls were simple enough that you didn't need like all these extra buttons and stuff.
01:11:22
Speaker
I know I flanked Galaxy for the motion, but I love jumping it and like shaking the Wiimote and doing the spin. Right, and for some reason, I i think I kind of actually feel the same way. I forgot about that, but I liked that if you were jumping towards something and you realize that you're not going to quite make it, you could like shake the Wii remote or you could bubble.
01:11:42
Speaker
Hit the one button. And then when everybody accidentally bubbles at the same time. Game over. um But I think this game is very good. So I think I'm good with the middle of the A tier right now. had of got solid before had a Mario 64, but behind Lost Souls.
01:11:59
Speaker
Because I do think that this is when Nintendo really tried to, which I know that they had multiplayer games before this with your Mario Party and all that stuff. But I feel like this was when, and also obviously also like Mario Kart and stuff.
01:12:12
Speaker
But I feel like this is during the era where they really tried to solidify themselves as like a really family console because this oh i know it was on our list earlier what year did this game come out 2009 okay so that would have been what a year two after galaxy it's two years after galaxy but where does that where does that line up compared to mario kart we mario kart we was 08 august okay uh april april 08 so i'm very good with dates yeah sorry that's okay that's okay um
01:12:48
Speaker
but a year is yeah It was about so a year and a half after. Because it this was November 2009. Okay. But i yeah I feel like that's a really interesting time for Nintendo because they really solidified themselves as really like a ah family and multiplayer console.
01:13:04
Speaker
ah Kind of. Not in so much online multiplayer, but like local multiplayer. Couch co-op. Couch co-op and stuff. And I think a lot of that same energy they still have today.
Mario Galaxy 2 and Motion Controls
01:13:15
Speaker
Yeah. um Yeah.
01:13:16
Speaker
I'm good. I'm good. Sticking that in. What do we say? tier. Yeah. yeah All right. All right. Next up. We have Mario Galaxy 2. Now, I will say this is this is my second to least favorite Mario 3D Mario game, but I think it is a lot better than Mario Galaxy.
01:13:38
Speaker
I think it's better than Mario, a lot better than Mario Galaxy. So this one, I'm not very familiar with this game. I have, so I have it and I played it. It's right, it's. It's right over there. um But it's stranded on Wii.
01:13:52
Speaker
but So I'm not going out of my way to like connect my Wii U and play this game. But people talk about it like it's just leagues. They talk about Galaxy like it's the greatest game to ever exist. so But then they talk about this game and say that it's a lot better.
01:14:07
Speaker
And I don't really get how both of those could be true. But... I couldn't, I don't know that I could tell you, if I didn't replay Galaxy when it came out on Switch a couple years ago, I don't know that I could tell you what belonged in Galaxy and what was from Galaxy 2.
01:14:25
Speaker
So I think I'll tell you why. I remember the Luigi levels, though. The Luigi levels are awesome. I think this is why I think Galaxy 2 is better. One of the juices is Yoshi. they They bring you back Yoshi. I remember that E3 trailer. people Oh, I do remember that, actually. Yeah. And you use more power ups like there's hot tamale power up with Yoshi and you like run super fast. you can get it as Mario as well.
01:14:45
Speaker
Yeah. If you run like super fast, you go like up walls and like like you can go to the 360 on a wall. That was really cool. I think the variety of levels, like the areas, were much more diverse.
01:14:57
Speaker
Like each galaxy each level in each galaxy felt like more distinct. And I'm pretty sure this is the one where the spaceship was shaped like Mario's head. Is that right? Yes. Spaceship was shaped like Mario's head.
01:15:09
Speaker
And um like you have like a, it it was much more akin to like, you had like almost like a world map where like that the um Mario head would like travel with you.
01:15:19
Speaker
Right. Yeah, um I thought that was super cool. You had that super replayability with a Luigi aspect of it. Yeah. I thought boss, this game is a lot more difficult than Mario Galaxy. I think they were, they were kind of like Mario Galaxy was a little too easy. So let's make this game a little bit more challenging.
01:15:37
Speaker
Okay. Also, we have to give it, this is like the first official 3D Mario sequel as well. Yeah. i Yeah. I think the only 3D Mario sequel, right? Correct. Correct. Correct. I should, well, it depends how you consider three d world and 3D land. Yes.
01:15:51
Speaker
Yeah, which we'll talk about that a little bit. But I think this is a great game. I think it definitely belongs. I think it belongs at the.
01:16:06
Speaker
Front of the B tier. I think it's better than Super Mario World to. Front of the B tier. Okay. yeah I think it's a solid place. I do want to replay this game. um You said this is a lot better than Galaxy.
01:16:18
Speaker
I think it's a lot better than Galaxy. Do you think I should connect a Wii U to play this game? Yeah, I think it's worth I think it's worth it. I wouldn't hold on. Don't hold on it to come into Switch. Yeah.
01:16:29
Speaker
okay um and nine like maybe not like a i wouldn't hold on i would don't don't hold out for it to come into switch yeah We'll see. um I would love for it to, but i think it I think it takes everything Galaxy does and does it better, and I think it has more of that Mario Sunshine charm that we and you just, like, fawned over.
01:16:49
Speaker
so There are some levels that are very reminiscent of Mario Sunshine. One thing that we didn't talk about with um Galaxy was that I was never a big fan of shaking the Wii remote to just do, like, a spin attack. Hated that. Hated that. It seemed kind of lazy to me.
01:17:06
Speaker
you know that it's like i don't think I know that Mario could punch and stuff in other games too, but I don't think Mario needs to be able to have attacks. but like yeah i'm ah I've always just been a big fan of like just like spray i don't know spray with water, jump on its head, do this, use your environment.
01:17:24
Speaker
um So where just being able to just walk up to something and just hit a button or shake your remote um and the just seemed kind of kind of boring to me. Yeah.
01:17:35
Speaker
No, I hear that. Yeah. And also, again, because the nature of it, I have. um i have the same problem with Twilight Princess on Wii, which is that you're they're making you shake the remote, but it's not actually doing anything with the motion. It's just treating it as like you're pressing a button.
01:17:56
Speaker
So they could have just matched that to a button press. Because no matter how, at least um for Twilight Princess on Wii, no matter how you swing your arm, he's going to swing his arm in the exact same motion every single time.
01:18:07
Speaker
And they changed that when Skyward Sword in that game. We don't need to get into that. yeah um Now that you say that, you know what? I'm going to put it down one. I'm going to put it behind Yoshi's Island. So it willll still be it'll still be the second game in our B tier.
01:18:21
Speaker
Okay.
Mario 3D Land and New Super Mario Bros
01:18:22
Speaker
Okay. All right. So moving on, we have Super Mario 3D Land, our first entry on the 3DS. um What is your history with this game? So I have not played this game.
01:18:38
Speaker
Okay. um So this is this is funny. I can explain why, though. But go ahead. was going to say, this is the the game I played for the first time, the most recent on this list.
01:18:49
Speaker
I had never played. I didn't i didn't get it ah original. I didn't get play this game until like 2021 after I played 3D World. And I was extremely let down by it, mainly probably because I played 3D World first.
01:19:00
Speaker
um I think the 3D aspects are really cool in this game, like having to like put the 3DS in 3D and like seeing cool things. yeah um It brings back the Tanuki suit.
01:19:11
Speaker
It does do that. um But I think the as like a launch 3DS game, it's really cool. But I think you definitely see Nintendo still trying to figure out... like what should we do with the 3DS? Right. like how Kind of using it as well, kind of like we talked about earlier, kind of using it as like a test bed of, do we want to make a real game out of this?
01:19:30
Speaker
And well, this was kind of in a period of where Nintendo was releasing games because Wii U was doing so terribly that they would release games on both Wii and three ds And so part of the reason that I never played this game was because I was under the impression that it was the same thing.
01:19:48
Speaker
Because the same thing, like, it wouldn't it wouldn't necessarily make sense to have Smash Bros. both on 3DS and on Wii And I was kind of thinking, like, oh, it's the same it's the same game, just like but, like, in a different form. So part of it is that at that time, which I wasn't playing a ton of video games at that time, and I wasn't really as informed as I could have been, but I think part of it just plays into the 3DS and Wii U's poor marketing on Nintendo's side.
01:20:16
Speaker
But... you you said you like this game. I like it, but I'm not like um not like head over heels for it. okay um like if they The only way I'd ever replay it is if they brought it to Switch.
01:20:29
Speaker
Switch 2. That's the only way. i wouldn't yeah I still play my 3DS, but I wouldn't go and like, I want to play this. I want to. I think the level design is cool, but it definitely shows like early 3DS. The graphics are not... like I'm not not a graphics guy, but like...
01:20:43
Speaker
It looks like a DS game, the graphics. Is the structure of the game similar to 3D World? Yes, but like on a smaller scale, smaller scope. The worlds are not as expansive. they're not as like um The variety is not like... like In 3D World, you have like a lot of different levels. right A lot of different aspects. You have the whole diorama aspect where running around in the world and it's like mini dioramas. It's not like that in this game.
01:21:09
Speaker
So i you think it's kind of low? I'm thinking top of the C tier. Okay. So above the Mario Bros. 2, but not quite tier.
01:21:23
Speaker
I think that's solid. twitter I think... um
01:21:28
Speaker
I don't... And... What was the... Did you ever... you you You said you played this recently, so you probably didn't try to do any of the like multiplayer features or anything like that, trying to play with anybody else?
01:21:41
Speaker
No. This game wasn't multiplayer. Okay, there was no like no like DS download play or anything like that? No. Okay. Yeah, I'm fine sticking it down there then. Okay.
01:21:51
Speaker
Alright, moving on. The...
01:21:55
Speaker
Never mind. We'll talk about that later with the other one. Okay. Moving on to our next, we have another new Super Mario Bros game. New Super Mario Bros 2. This is the the gold coins one. you have to collect all the gold coins.
01:22:06
Speaker
um I'll say this about this game. It's better than New Super Mario Bros. Not as good as New Super Mario Bros Wii. And this game is incredibly easy. Only in the fact that they give you so many gold coins that you basically always have like 99 lives.
01:22:22
Speaker
Like always. Oh, interesting. Yeah. The whole aspect of the game is collecting coins. and this Oh. um've So I've actually never played this one. um be I know that it's... I wasn't really in... two thousand Let's see. 2012. 2012, yeah.
01:22:43
Speaker
When did the 3DS come out? 2011. Okay. So this would have been on 3DS. This is on 3DS, yeah. I got a 3DS late. Okay. I didn't get a 3DS until 2015.
01:22:57
Speaker
Okay. okay And then i i got a 3DS at launch. This is a game that nobody ever talks about. So I think part of why I missed it was because, um I mean, people aren't talking about it. So it's not one of the games that they're telling me I should go back and play.
01:23:12
Speaker
It was no... um um I'm drawing a blank. It was no Link Between Worlds or anything. but No, no. This is like, this is, like I said, I think it's better than New Super Mario Bros.
01:23:24
Speaker
And the fact that I think the levels are more expansive. They're more and um unique and en tri in they're more unique. They're more diverse. I think it plays a little bit better than New Super Mario Bros. 1. But I think play it plays very similar to New Super Mario Bros. Wii.
01:23:39
Speaker
There's really no use of the 3D in this. So if you like kind of like knocking it, it's 3DS game. but You don't really have to use the 3D. Right. The only, the again, the only reason why it is a little bit easier is because you always basically have 99 lives because there's so many freaking coins.
01:23:54
Speaker
This is a game that introduced like the coin, like, you know, like the coin block that goes on Mario's head. Yeah. and You can like jump and get unlimited coins. It's all about that. um The one thing I will give this though is like the end game. Like, you know, there's always like a, then the world after world eight.
01:24:09
Speaker
Yeah. Like the star world, the levels are incredibly difficult. Really? It's super fun. Yeah. It's really fun to go through them. And, um, you can like, ease they don't really have a lot of coin. This is like levels with no coins in them.
01:24:19
Speaker
Okay. Which is like completely different. That's crazy. Um, Yeah, it didn't introduce any. Is it one of them where in order to get to that bonus world, you have to 100% the rest of the worlds?
01:24:30
Speaker
No, you know, you okay that um get a certain amount of like that. You know, the three giant gold coins. You have to get a certain amount of them. I'm not sure how you have to get. Because it's annoying, too. I would get a little bit annoyed when it's like it locks these really cool levels behind like stuff that like people aren't going to do.
01:24:49
Speaker
yeah Yeah, I will say the endgame is pretty cool. um It's a little bit more unique than New Super Mario Bros. 1, but i definitely don't think it is like a New Super Mario Bros. Wii. So I would put it right smack dab in the middle of the B tier. So ahead of New Super Mario Bros. 1, but behind Super Mario Galaxy.
01:25:08
Speaker
Okay, I think our B tier might be getting a little crowded. It's all right. It's all right. Hey, B tier is okay. I'm thinking out do we have anything in in D or F?
01:25:18
Speaker
Yeah, we have Super Mario Land 1 in the DC area. Okay. And... all right I think this is great this might be the last one that I actually have not played.
01:25:31
Speaker
Okay. All right. Moving on. Next up, we have one of my favorite games, New Super Mario Bros. U. Now, I will say this. This game got a lot of flack because it came out the same year as New Super Mario Bros. 2. It was the fourth New Super Mario Bros. game, but this is definitively the best New Super Mario Bros. game.
01:25:48
Speaker
I would argue if this came out as the first New Super Mario Bros. game, we would be talking about it as an S-tier game. This one, I think they should have not called it New Super Mario Bros.
01:26:03
Speaker
they should have just called it like Super Mario Bros. U. I think they should have come up with a better name for it. Because...
01:26:10
Speaker
I think it had that new Super Mario Bros. kind of stink on it. Yep. which Which those games are not all bad. But this game, i think, is very different.
01:26:23
Speaker
At least from what I remember, it's super different from... a but The other new Super Mario Bros games. It's very, very different. I'll sum it up like this. I think the world map is immaculate in this game, especially compared to the other new Super Mario Bros games. It is so much bigger.
01:26:41
Speaker
There is so much more variety. It is gorgeous. Each pathway, even like the secret pathways, is so satisfying to see unravel because... it The way that they'll um world design the way the world map like it it it expands, Kamek runs around and has his little magic wand going.
01:27:00
Speaker
That is super cool. um The worlds feel like very seamless and it makes like the Mushroom Kingdom actually feel like ah like ah like an actual kingdom. like They're all like connected. Yeah. um the level design's awesome it's very very good um the game's a little bit more cinematic too like there's like surprise reveals like in the middle of a level in like the soda kingdom there's um like mid-level like you can see bowser's airship and like the game like freezes yeah not a cut scene but like something happens which is like a yeah reveal and a surprise the soda the soda jungle
01:27:33
Speaker
Yeah, so that's the purple with all the purple like acid stuff, right? Yes. Yeah. um I think this game is a lot more difficult than any of the other new Super Mario Bros. games, so which I like. Which I think makes it better. but It's not it's not it it's not like super difficult. It's not lost levels here, um but it is a lot more difficult. Super Luigi U.
01:27:52
Speaker
Oh, we'll get to that. I freaking love that game. um I think this is the best of the new Super Mario Bros. style. i think this is easily the best of any of them that we've talked about.
01:28:05
Speaker
Yeah. And for me, obviously, it would be tier, but I don't think you want to put it in the S tier. So I would be good with putting it at the top of the A tier right now. So ahead of the good with the only thing, the only thing probably keeping it out of the S tier for me.
01:28:20
Speaker
um I'm good with top of the A tier. And I think that's because I think they this is one of the games that I was talking about that they made it very like slippery. But not slippery in that you can't stop.
01:28:33
Speaker
But it's slippery in that you take forever to start moving. that Yes. That you can't just like... i don't i like I don't know what it is. It's like their acceleration it's like they're in like an old like Looney Tunes cartoon where they've got to spin their legs for a little bit before they like start running. they it's not um And it can get really frustrating in some of your older and in some of your later levels.
01:28:57
Speaker
And the only reason I really noticed that was because I was doing a i was I was doing a Let's Play of this game ah at the same time as playing... um a game that we're going to talk about later.
01:29:10
Speaker
And it was really noticeably different. And it's like, and it's like, I didn't realize that this was so noticeably different. And I ended up just kind of preferring the, the other style where um your button presses seem to have a little bit more like significance to them.
01:29:27
Speaker
um But I'm, I'm good. I also think that um anything that we've already said about the multiplayer couch co-op aspect of the other, um, New Super Mario Bros. games still holds true here. And I think that this was one where.
01:29:42
Speaker
You could have five people play right. You could have someone play as Nabbit. And somebody would play as Nabbit. And I think they could have the Wii U game pad. And put like pad if you couldn't get up to a certain area. They could put blocks in there too. And I think that kind of stuff is really cool.
01:29:56
Speaker
We call that cheating. in the Yeah which i I. A lot of these games like I didn't play them with other people. But I think it's cool when they kind of throw that stuff in there. Okay. all right so then next up when did that come out 2012 was a launch game for wii u yeah at that point at that point i was very i was the only one of my siblings that played video games anymore um i had probably been the only one playing video games in my house for like 10 years at that point yeah maybe maybe like five years
01:30:29
Speaker
All right. So next up, we have the DLC for this game, New Super Luigi, which was eventually released as a standalone. Yes. is for the year of the Luigi. This is... um little DLC um concept that came out a couple months after the game came out.
01:30:42
Speaker
um Basically, everything I said about New Super Mario Bros. U applies to this game, except the world map is like a carbon copy, but all the levels are different. yes They're shorter.
01:30:54
Speaker
They're much more challenging. This game is so difficult to 100%. You only have 100 seconds for each level. It's actually not 100 seconds. It's 100 game frames, which is less than a second.
01:31:04
Speaker
yeah okay yeah youre right yeah the the timer starts at 100 but it's so it's not quite 100 seconds yeah um i think it's really cool the idea of like the i love luigi he's my second favorite mario character so i thought it was really cool yeah but again um the levels are really difficult but i this has like the oh we never mentioned like the van gogh design levels like it looks like the van gogh paintings uh the new super luigi you had like a lot of levels like that thought super cool um like We don't want to say much more about this. just so it's It's New Super Mario Bros. U, but like a little bit more difficult.
01:31:37
Speaker
I think so, too. I think this game is very good. um Which I think this was when... I didn't buy a Wii U right when it came out. I got my Wii U a little bit later. was one of the three people.
01:31:51
Speaker
i when i first When I got this game, i got the the the new Super Mario Bros. U one that came bundled with it. So I got bought it all at once.
01:32:04
Speaker
um And replaying it when it came out a couple years ago on Switch, I think, what was that, 2023? 2024? 2023, think. Early 2023. I such great time with think that
01:32:16
Speaker
i had such a great time with it i think that When you're playing as Luigi, it's a lot less noticeable that he's, like, slipping around and stuff all the time. Because I think that's just kind of how Luigi's supposed to be. That's his character. He's weird guy. So, yeah. So, that bothers me less as Luigi than it did as Mario. I also think if you get good at your jumps, he can jump forever.
01:32:41
Speaker
um Yes. And... ah I remember what you were talking about that you do have to get all of the big coins to be able to unlock the secret world at the end, I think.
01:32:53
Speaker
And then that secret world. you do Yeah. It's like me insane. It's so much fun. Um, But it's I so you you like this game more than Super Mario Bros. You know, I put it right behind it. So I would put it second in the A tier right now. I'm OK with that behind it.
01:33:12
Speaker
Yeah, um I don't think so um I don't think New Super Luigi U would be fun to play with another person. Oh, like I play little really. OK, OK. Yes. Because I feel like it's when when games get more difficult. I feel like I want to. Yeah.
01:33:27
Speaker
Everybody just leave me alone. I just let me do this by myself. Um,
Super Mario 3D World and Mario Maker
01:33:32
Speaker
okay. All right, let's move on to Super Mario 3D World. Uh, I'm just gonna start it off. Uh, I think this is an S tier game. I think this game's phenomenal.
01:33:40
Speaker
I think the whole idea of like the dioramas are so cool. Introduced Captain Toad. I love the semi open worlds, like a combination of 3D and 2D.
01:33:50
Speaker
I love the different designs. I love the secret world at the end is so cool. There's so much replayability because you can go through it getting like the, um, the green stars you can you have to finish at the top of the flagpole you have to do it with all the different characters it's the akin you know they bring it back to new super mario bros 2 with like the four different characters right um i had so much fun playing this multiplayer i played this game a lot i 100 percented it multiplayer 100 percented it by myself 100 percented on switch 100 percented switch multiplayer it's it's one of my favorite mario games um
01:34:25
Speaker
So I've spoken very highly of this game on this podcast. Like I, I think it is one of the perfect Mario games. They introduced cat Mario too, which I'm not a cat guy, but for some reason I love the whole idea of the cat Mario and climbing it.
01:34:38
Speaker
Some of the levels are really cool. Really interesting designs. If you have not played this game, like you need to, and you you go in like not knowing a lot because some of the levels are super cool.
01:34:49
Speaker
I actually just replayed this in April. It was a blast. I would put this, me personally, I would put this as the as an eight tier, like the bottom of the eight the bottom ah top bottom of the s tier right now.
01:35:01
Speaker
Behind Mario 3, behind Mario World, and behind Sunshine. That's where I would put it. what am like Wow. Well... I... So, I played the... um This was one of the first games that I played on Wii U. The version of the Wii U that I got was the black Wii U that was the Super Mario 3D World bundle.
01:35:26
Speaker
And i have really fond memories of playing this. guy i played through the entire game with um two of my friends. and Let's I really like I really liked the multiplayer component of it. which um they would If you got the most points, they would give you a crown. crown And so we were constantly... like I think we played this entire game over the course of like a weekend.
01:35:56
Speaker
that's what I did when I first got it, me and my sister. And so it was me and two my friends. um And we were constantly fighting over like but but um the crown and trying to ah I think this was one of them where when you hit a...
01:36:12
Speaker
um power up block like the the way the power ups would come out they would kind of make you like fight over them but I can't remember they would tier it they would tier it so for example if you hit a if were playing multiplayer and you hit a power up and like if you were big it would give you like ah for example the boomerang power up but it would also shoot out a mushroom right so like if your friend was mini you'd be like you're getting a mushroom but then they'd go for like the boomerang and you'd be I'm already big Right.
01:36:42
Speaker
Um, so I think the, I really loved playing this game with my friends, but replaying this game when it came to switch, I my heart do not like it as much.
01:36:56
Speaker
Um, I didn't find it to be very fun to play solo. It's cause you didn't play with me. Probably. Maybe we should, yeah, we can fix this. We can amend our list here when we play it together.
01:37:08
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um
01:37:12
Speaker
But i've always I've always just loved 3D Mario games more than just your straight-up 2D Mario games. and ah You wanted a full 3D Mario game, and you got like a... This is very much 2D Mario game, just kind of like... On a 3D plane. Yeah, but a lot of the levels are you just walking towards a flag,
01:37:38
Speaker
which um doesn't bother me as much i guess in a it doesn't bother me as much in the two day games because the challenge is in like the actual platforming whereas i do just also remember this game just being really easy um easy but not as easy to 100 and the star super the stuff end game is ridiculous
01:38:05
Speaker
I... Gosh, you said you wanted to add an S tier? Yeah, so I'll make a compromise with you. Do you think it's better... I'll make a compromise. Do you think it's better than Mario 64? Yes.
01:38:16
Speaker
yeah much Much better. Do you think it's better than New Super Mario Bros. Wii?
01:38:25
Speaker
Um... I think the... Mmm... multiplayer is better than the multiplayer in Wii.
01:38:37
Speaker
Okay. But I think the actual game in Wii is probably better than the actual game here. Okay. but I think the power-up was odd, but fun. Okay. I would be okay putting up there.
01:38:50
Speaker
What tier was New Super Mario Bros. Wii in? Currently, it's ahead of Mario 64 in the A tier. It's the second-to-last game in the A tier. Would you want to put it one spot ahead of Mario Wii or one spot behind We can put it ahead.
01:39:04
Speaker
Okay, that's not with me. I'll put it one spot ahead. We'll keep Lost Levels in front But there is actually... There was something that I thought about earlier. Switch, they included Bowser's Fury in there. We're going to talk about Bowser's Fury. Are we going to talk about that as its own thing? Because I think that is... We'll get there.
01:39:27
Speaker
Okay. Okay. um all right um next up we have so i know i said all the platforming games um i'm gonna we're gonna we're gonna omit mario maker one and two because was up to me mario maker one and two would be definitively the best mario game ever okay um i play i play mario maker two i used to play mario maker one every day i play mario maker two every single day wow it is I never played Mario Maker 1, but I did play Mario Maker 2, and I thought it was really good.
01:39:58
Speaker
Some of the levels people make, if you if you know who to look for, the certain creators, right you can you can play amazing levels. yeah And people get super creative in there. But it's... The things people are doing in Mario Maker...
01:40:12
Speaker
it's it's awesome, but it's not necessarily what I want from Mario games. Like, i think i think it's notably different from every other tuy every other Mario platform.
01:40:24
Speaker
It's very similar to what I said about Mario Land. It's like Nintendo said, here, go to another team. Hey, make a Mario game. Right. Except the team is all of us. And the team is much better than Mario Land crap.
01:40:36
Speaker
yeah um I think there's a lot of really good Mario Maker levels, but there's also a lot of really bad ones, lot of garbage. A lot of garbage. But yeah, Mario Maker 1 and 2, we're just going to say it now. Alright, so we're gonna yeah ah we're going to move on to so of Mario Bros. Run.
01:40:53
Speaker
And I'm going to say right now, this is an F tier game. Really? Did you play it? Yeah, I hate this game. Okay. I... think for what it is being a phone mario game i hate mobile games though so i'll give it that i don't mind mobile games if they actually do something um worth doing i realize that that's kind of redundant but
01:41:22
Speaker
i think that as far as simplifying a Mario game to be playable on a phone, I think that this is probably as good as it can get. I'm pushing for B tier. Not B. d yeah D. D. D. Okay. D. Okay. I'm pushing for D tier.
01:41:38
Speaker
Okay. I'll tell you what. Because I hate Super Mario Land so much, I'll put it ahead of Super Mario Land. Okay. Great. Um, I... I do think it's just, it's generally kind of short.
01:41:51
Speaker
um And the entire game is basically just played by pressing one button over and over again. That it's like you you just tap the screen to jump. And then I think if you tap and like hold it, you might do like a, think the same way that in new Super Mario Bros. Wii, you could tap and then you could um you could jump and then shake your remote to do like a spin attack, i think or like a spin in the air. to You can do that same thing in this game. Yeah, yeah.
01:42:16
Speaker
So it does kind of diversify it a little bit. But um it's not. I mean, obviously, it's ah for a mobile game, I do think it's pretty good. But for a Mario game, I don't think it's very good.
01:42:29
Speaker
I'll put it like this. With the exception of Super Mario Land 1, I would much rather play any other Mario game. That's how I'll put it. All right. So detail at top of the D tier. All right. Moving on to a much, much
Super Mario Odyssey and Bowser's Fury
01:42:42
Speaker
better game. We only have three games left.
01:42:44
Speaker
yep Yep, 2017 Super Mario Odyssey. um This is my third favorite 3D Mario game. I prefer... Oh, second favorite 3D Mario game. I prefer Sunshine over this, but I do prefer it over 64 in the Galaxy games.
01:43:00
Speaker
um With that said, though... I do not think it is an S tier game. I think this is an tier game right behind new super Luigi U. So it'd be the third game in the eighth year ahead of lost levels.
01:43:14
Speaker
The reason why I think that is, I really love the idea of all the different kingdoms. I love the different costumes. I think that's super cool. It makes collecting coins like worth it. I love the variety. I love Kathy. I think that is so cool throwing it and transforming to all these different things.
01:43:29
Speaker
I think there's way too many moons and some of them are way too easy. And it makes it like, because you're not required to have like, that many moons to actually beat the game you can almost avoid the really more traditional style like requirements to get certain moons that like you might find in like a sunshine or a 64 or a galaxy where you can get all the easy ones that like oh run to the street corner and it's sitting here yeah and you can still beat the game um
01:44:04
Speaker
I love like the darker side of the moon and that whole last gauntlet is super cool. I love the last boss fight with Bowser, but I think the um with so many moons, you can buy some. Some of them are super easy. You can buy you can, the ones that you can buy in the shops, you can buy them over and over again. So you could actually not do, it would be probably an interesting video to see somebody playing, ah playing one of these games without getting any real moons and only buying them.
01:44:33
Speaker
And just collecting coins, yeah. um With that said, I think it's super cool when you go to like the Peaches Kingdom and you're like, whoa. This is super cool. Oh yeah, I think Western Kingdom is really cool.
01:44:45
Speaker
I'm i completely in agreement with you. Yeah, I think it's the middle, like that middle of the A tier, higher towards the front of the A tier, but not quite at the top. I think it's, like I said, I think it's awesome. I think a sequel would be super cool or another, like I'm really hoping the next 3D Mario game does not, it airs on like, we're going to have 120 really good collectibles.
01:45:06
Speaker
really good collectible Right. Rather than 999. Yeah. Even if you only... So the moons that are buyable, if you only buy them once, I think there's still over like 800 moons. And I just think it's way too many.
01:45:22
Speaker
That it's like you you ran on the beach and jumped on this guy's head and it made a moon pop out. Yeah. You sat on a bench. You sat on a bench next to a random guy in New Donk City.
01:45:33
Speaker
Right. um I think that...
01:45:38
Speaker
I think that when you're getting moons so often for these really... useless tasks they feel a lot less significant and a lot less important whereas it takes away it it takes away from those really satisfying platforming challenges that some of them are there for because there are some really interesting and really cool moons yeah like when you take over the rc when you take over the rc car in new donk city yes like that is super cool there's the one think it's a new donk city there's this jump rope one
01:46:11
Speaker
Oh my god, that one was f freaking awesome. There was a couple different levels of it, but you're supposed I think you're supposed to jump rope like a hundred times or something. And that was the one that broke me, that I was like, I can't do this. I'm not... That was a throwback to the Mario Party, original Mario Party game, the Fire Rope minigame.
01:46:30
Speaker
That was a throwback back to that.
01:46:34
Speaker
Miyamoto revealed that in a developer interview he did with Famitsu. that he was a That was his favorite Mario Party game, so he wanted to include a jump rope segment. I do really like... I love the different themed worlds in this game.
01:46:50
Speaker
Oh, they're so cool. Like the Luncheon Kingdom. Super cool. I think that the the themes and the worlds are way stronger and they factor much more into the identity of the game than probably any of the other three d Mario games, which we talked earlier about in Super Mario Sunshine, how we really like that all of the worlds kind of fit in that one theme of it being like a tropical island.
01:47:14
Speaker
um This one, it kind of they all kind of fit into the same theme of like Mario kind of going all across the... you know Mario going on an Odyssey.
01:47:25
Speaker
he Yeah. No, but totally totally agree with you. I think if we ever got like an Odyssey 2, which I don't know what we're going to get out of the next 3D Mario game. i really Like I said, I really hope they they tone down the amount of moons or whatever the collectible is. And they they make those...
01:47:42
Speaker
because like like we had said, but some of those collectibles are really good. like Some of them are really challenging. But I think a lot of people didn't get to that. because It's like, oh I can just get the easy one. Yeah. And there's a lot of them that are like, oh, I i jumped into this area over here. that i Which there are some actually nice parts where it's like, oh, I wonder if I can like...
01:48:01
Speaker
jump into this area over here that we're clearly not supposed to be able to get to. And i ended up going on top of this tower and I jump, ah I dive off and then I throw my hat and jump on the hat and do a spin jump and do all this stuff.
01:48:14
Speaker
And I ended up in this area over here that like, you're probably not supposed to be able to get to, but then there's a random guy there and you talk to him and he's like, wow, great job getting over here. And he gives you a moon like that kind of stuff. is that That's the peak of this game. That is like the hot, this is the, uh,
01:48:31
Speaker
this is like has like a This is almost like the N64. It has really high highs and pretty low lows. A little look better than the N64, though. But I think we agree, middle of the A tier.
01:48:41
Speaker
All right, like so we have we have we have two games left. Next up, we have Bowser's Fury, which is the 2021 came out with the Super Mario 3D World.
01:48:53
Speaker
I'm going to say this is a fantastic game. game which if it was bigger and a full traditional like they gave us a whole game like this i think it would easily be an s tier game i agree because because of that i think i would have to put it in the a tier i would put it like right behind Odyssey.
01:49:18
Speaker
That's where I would put it. Right behind Odyssey. Yes. I think so. Or would you put it ahead? It's up to you. Well, no, I think Odyssey... You said Odyssey's in the middle of the A tier? it's this It's currently number three in the tier. There's four games behind it. what's What are the two above it in the A tier?
01:49:34
Speaker
Luigi U and Mario U. I would want to put it above those. You put Bowser's Fury above those? No, sorry. I would put Bowser's Fury where Odyssey is, and then I would want Odyssey at the top.
01:49:47
Speaker
On top of the A tier. Yes. Okay. that's um um and I'm good with that. Bowser's Fury. It felt like a. It kind of felt like a demo. Like a hey look at all this cool stuff. That we're able to do now.
01:49:58
Speaker
Except a demo like for what. For like where's this. Give us more. Like where's the game. Like. what um I do remember really liking it though. I like that.
01:50:10
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um You.
01:50:14
Speaker
I like that. The structure of it is actually similar to one of the worlds in Odyssey, where pretty much any of the... I don't remember what you're collecting, like stars or moons or shines or whatever. It's that it'sine actually shines, It's shine sprites, yeah. um That anything that you're collecting, you can kind of go and get them in any order, which I think is a really good direction for Mario to move, because I don't really like that... um in some of the other games, especially the 3D games, where you load into a level, you have to do just that one thing. It's segmented. like open-ended nature of it a little bit more. But I...
01:50:55
Speaker
open- endeded ah nature of it a little bit more um but i do think that part of the reason that they were able to make the entire thing so good from start to finish is because how small it is.
01:51:09
Speaker
Yeah. Which is to its benefit, yeah. but So I don't really think... I think putting it probably in the middle of the A tier is probably a good spot. Maybe even a little bit lower.
01:51:22
Speaker
um Maybe behind lost levels but ahead 3D World? Yeah. um i would personally put a world but 3d world for mine would be much higher but i'm good with putting it right in the middle of the a tier um yeah i'm good right behind lost sorry my right behind lost levels my my dog is i'm i'm the only one here today so my dog keeps wondering what i'm doing in here um yeah i'd put it right there like right in the middle of that tier What I really like about it is like the seamless open-worldness, like you said. But again, because it's so much smaller, I think it was easier.
01:51:58
Speaker
i love how like when you enter a new area, like you know this is like ah this is like a new area with new stars. right like The music changes. ah The one knock I have on it, I hate the giant Bowser fight. I think that's so dumb. And you do it over and over again. I really don't like the giant cat Mario versus the giant cat Oh, yeah. I forgot about that. Not a fan of that. This is one that I want to...
01:52:19
Speaker
Really, a lot of games that we've talked about today that I've only played one time. like So Odyssey, I only played Odyssey once, and I want to go back to Odyssey. and but It was on my list of games that I wanted to play replay this year, but I don't know when I'm going to get to it because it is such a huge game.
01:52:36
Speaker
that I don't know when I'm going to do that. I do want to go back and play this one too. And since I know it's pretty short, I might kind of move that. out It's like yeah a completionist run, not like a speed run. It's like about three hours. Yeah. So I think that's a solid place. And then only have one more game.
Super Mario Wonder and Future Prospects
01:52:50
Speaker
Yes. And that game is Super Mario Wonder. Yes. The newest game, 2023 for the Switch. I'll let you take it away.
01:53:01
Speaker
What do you think of this? I don't know if this is a hot take. I don't think it is, but I don't know how you feel about this game. I think that this game belongs... do you me to say it, or want to talk about what I think about the game first? Say it.
01:53:15
Speaker
I think this game belongs in the S tier. Let's go! This like is... Let's go! Part of it is that a lot of the other 2D Mario games, I haven't really been around like right when they came out, but...
01:53:31
Speaker
i This is easily my favorite of all of the 2D games. Which I don't have... I which i mean i don't i haven't played ah um Super Mario World and Super Mario... All of them.
01:53:45
Speaker
um right But... I think that they they finally moved away from the slipperiness um Super Mario...
01:53:57
Speaker
you New New of of New Super Mario Bros, which I really like. um and I like that this they were able to make this game really fun and really weird while still being very much in the realm of acceptable things in the Mario universe.
01:54:20
Speaker
Totally agree with you. This is Nintendo finally taking a chance with 2D Mario. like yeah We're going to really change it This is the first change they've done since like the original New Super Mario Bros.
01:54:32
Speaker
they They completely changed how it felt. They changed the art style. Mario looks different. The characters look different. You have more playable characters. I think the world design is super unique compared to any other Mario game.
01:54:44
Speaker
It is so different. We have different Power-ups, Elephant Mario. Super cool. remember when I first saw Elephant Mario is weird. Elephant Mario ended up being my favorite power-up. Oh, by far.
01:54:54
Speaker
um but Go on. I also thought that this was a really good challenge level compared because we've talked about games being feeling like, well, we've talked about lost levels and Super Luigi U being like pretty hard.
01:55:07
Speaker
um And then we talked about other ones like Super Mario Galaxy and 3D World, I think being a little bit too easy. This one, I feel like it really um hits that balance.
01:55:19
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Yeah. Yeah. It has that balance very similar to, I think, Mario 3 and Mario World, where there are some really challenging levels, but there are so there's no like super easy levels, but there are like the it's the perfect balance. Right. um I think Nintendo nailed it out of the park with this.
01:55:35
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I would love to see like a proper like wonder sequel. I would love that. Super Mario Wonder 2. It's funny, a lot of people... I think, even though the Switch is like so successful, it's just weird. A lot of people... This this game did not sell as well as the other as other two d Mario games, which I'm like shocked. like new so That new Super Mario Bros. U port has more copies sold than this.
01:56:00
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I think that's part of it just coming out earlier, though, that I think... I don't know. um I think... A 2D Mario platformer where the main part of the main game is just you walking from left to right, I think is kind of a hard sell when you have all of these, when there are so many games coming out all the time.
01:56:25
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Mm-hmm. um and i i really wonder how this would have sold i wonder i wonder how this would have sold at like 2021 2022 rather than maybe like early 2021 even like 2019 i bet you would have sold so much better yeah but like i said like we both said i think this game's phenomenal i'm gonna put it right at the bottom of the s tier so there's only three games ahead of it mario 3 mario world and our beloved mario son of course Yes. um All right.
01:56:54
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So we're just going to do a quick recap of our tier list.
Conclusion and Future Plans
01:56:57
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This is our tier list. This is the the perfect Mario tier list from Sean Mason and James Soler.
01:57:05
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This is the perfect tier list. We have in the S tier, Mario Sunshine, Mario World, Super Mario 3, and Super Mario Wonder. The A tier, Mario Odyssey.
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New Super Mario Bros. U. New Super Luigi U. Super Mario Bros. The Lost Levels. Bowser's Fury. Super Mario 3D World. New Super Mario Bros. Wii.
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And James' favorite game, Super Mario 64. Of course. um A+. B tier. B tier. We have i Mario ah World 2, Yoshi's Island.
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Super Mario Galaxy 2. New Super Mario Bros. 2. New Super Mario Bros. The original Super Mario Bros. And Mario Galaxy.
01:57:48
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um
01:57:52
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c tier we have super mario 3d land super mario bros 2 and super mario land 2 six golden coins i think it was a huge drop off between um super mario bros 2 and that c tier game you know what screw it we're throwing mario land 2 in the d tier had a mario run all right yeah right Mario Run could get sandwiched between the two Mario Land.
01:58:13
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Nice Mario Land sandwich. D tier, Super Mario Land 2, 6 Golden Coins, Super Mario Run, and the original Super Mario Land. All right, so that's our list. This will be shared as a graphic for it.
01:58:26
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James, I'm going to give you a copy of it as well, so you can you can make it your background of your computer. This our list. um But yeah, i you know, James, I really appreciate you coming on. I love talking Nintendo. I can't wait to do our Mario Sunshine episode. I'm really excited for And something Smash Bros. related, maybe.
01:58:46
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Oh my god, the Smash Bros. Don't even get it. I love it. Real quick. Yep. What... I mean, i you probably love every single Smash Bros game, as I do.
01:58:57
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If you were have to choose a Smash Bros game as your favorite one, do you have a favorite? Ultimate. Ultimate? Ultimate. i'm I'm kind of in the same boat. There's things that I like about the other ones, too. and Which I have a... i i We can talk Smash Bros. some other time.
01:59:12
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yeah join us to Join us later to hear our thoughts on Smash Bros. But James, I really thank you for um having me. You guys, um you can find him on YouTube. He makes incredible videos. I really love... Anytime he drops a new video, I'm like super into it. I love it.
01:59:25
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um James, where can they find you on YouTube? That's very kind of you, Sean. I... don't remember what the best way to get to my YouTube channel is. um we can we yeah We can put a link down in the description of this video. in the description was So i was doing really I was doing a really good job of making YouTube videos for a while.
01:59:43
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I was making, was probably cranking out like two or three videos a week. And then I made a i so I did a video on Assassin's Creed Shadows that, um,
01:59:55
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I had played the first like 10 hours of the games and it was just kind of like an impressions video and it got so many like downvotes and it got so many comments that I was like, I don't really want to do this anymore.
02:00:07
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And then I, a since then, I think I've been posting like one video a month. You got to go back to the well, that nearer Sunshine Well. I got to. yeah i Yeah. But thank you so much for having me. No problem. You're always welcome. guess in addition to YouTube, which is going to be um my the link down in the description or something, um i am I don't really use Twitter as much anymore just because I...
02:00:37
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It seems like nobody actually wants to talk about anything beneficial there. However, on Twitter and on Instagram, I'm at James underscore Soler. S-O-L-E-R. And i'm also on Blue Sky. I don't really post over there as much either.
02:00:51
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But that is...
02:00:55
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I don't even remember what that one is. I think it's just James. I think it's just my name, James. So figure it out. You guys will figure it out somehow. Not many people over there on blue sky. So we'll figure it out.
02:01:07
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um But yeah, thanks for having, and thanks for joining us. We hope you liked your tiering list. If you have any comments or want us to tier anything else, let us know. Yeah. um All right. Bye guys. See ya.