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What I Learned When I Felt Weak: An Interview with Pearl Roycroft
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We are interviewing all of our regular contributors in Season 1 for you to get to know them better. Today’s guest is Pearl Roycroft, a singer-songwriter and guitarist from Perth.
In today’s episode, we explore:
- The joys of being in nature, writing poetry and performing music.
- Growing up with parents who were immigrants and became Christians in their 20s, and her own slow journey to a deeper faith.
- Pearl’s struggles with feeling weak and trusting God with her needs, including periods of travel across the country in her van and working in remote Aboriginal communities, and coming to trust more deeply in his love and provision for her.
- How these periods of struggle and changes of seasons have influenced her new album, Closing Doors.
Check out the show notes for everything mentioned in the show.
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Pearl released her new album, Closing Doors, this year. You can listen to her music on Spotify and Bandcamp. You can see Pearl perform live by following through her company, @redgumrhythm and @pearl.music on Instagram.
Music: Come Back by Ketsa. Licensed under a Creative Commons License Non-Commercial, No-Derivatives 4.0 International License.
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Transcript
Introduction and Guest Welcome
00:00:01
Speaker
Hello and welcome to the After Dinner Mint. I'm your host, Bec, and our guest today is Pearl Roycroft, who's also one of our writers and a musician.
Pearl's Weekly Routine
00:00:11
Speaker
So welcome, pal.
00:00:12
Speaker
Hello. I'm just so excited to have you. So tell us, what does a typical week look like for you ah what things make up your week?
00:00:22
Speaker
I'm currently working as a gardener, so I often get up pretty early, have some quiet time, mic a cacao. Oh, yeah, I'm pretty addicted to the cacao at the moment.
00:00:33
Speaker
but And then I'll walk to work and do work in the morning gardening and then come home, usually go for a swim in the pool. And then often have some til time chill time, maybe a nap and something at night or host something or go out. So I think that's kind of my main routine at the moment.
00:00:52
Speaker
ah yeah I love it. I love the early start and the nap. I'm like, it's so great. I've recently just got into naps. Dad, I'm like, my hobby is napping. yeah So tell me, like what are some of your favorite books or podcasts?
Inspirational Authors and Monastery Experience
00:01:06
Speaker
so Yeah, my favorite author is Henry Nguyen.
00:01:10
Speaker
He died before i was born, but he was like a Catholic priest, but also ah Dutch. And also was a Trappist monk for a time of his life, was also like a traveling preacher and teacher around the world.
00:01:24
Speaker
And also spent in the last maybe like 10 12 years of his life I'm working as a chaplain in um of like villages of people had mental um and physical disabilities.
00:01:35
Speaker
So just a really, really interesting writer. And I love him. I've heard of him and I know nothing about him. Oh, no. i Yeah, can recommend anything he writes, really. Yeah.
00:01:47
Speaker
ah Like if you were going to get into him, like if you're like, I'm going to go on a Henry Nguyen kick, like who would I, which one would I read first? Oh, that's a good question. I personally really like his book, Reaching Out. It talks about connecting, like reconnecting to yourself, being honest with yourself and like looking at your true self and then honest like with God and then to a few close friends and to others and to the world.
00:02:12
Speaker
It just really, really spoke to me. There's like quite a lot. Yeah. Yeah, there's quite a lot he writes. He writes about the inner voice of love, which is a good one. that there There's so many, though. I love his The Way of the Heart, which he talks about listening to the desert fathers and mothers in Egyptian nomadic tribes about silence and solitude and um contemplation and stuff like that. And then also really good one is All Things Made New, and that's just a really good introduction to – they're small books for anyone who is just in a spiritual journey um and what that looks like.
00:02:45
Speaker
Yeah. So anyway, I just love – and I love that like a lot of this stuff is kind of coming back around in like those conversations about vulnerability and like even like I've just read – I'm probably the last person on earth to read it, but like John Mark Comer, like The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry.
00:03:02
Speaker
Okay, but all of these like secular books, I mean, not that John Mark Homer is secular, but like a lot of these old books are all talking about like, you silence and solitude. And you're like, these are not new ideas. They're just really old ones.
00:03:13
Speaker
Yeah, so true. So true. Yeah, i actually discovered Henry when I was staying in a monastery. um New Norse is like the only monastic town in Australia.
00:03:24
Speaker
Yeah, do you go there too? Want to go to? No, but I want to. I have seen it. I want to go. Oh, I missed that. Someone told me they do writing retreats out there.
00:03:36
Speaker
Like two separate people sent me things and they were like, this lady does right writing retreats out at like New North Sea. And I was like, wait. Yeah. Oh, definitely check it. if you ever I mean, see it time off to go. But I've stayed in the pig keepers cottage, like the old pig keepers cottage, which is maybe like a 400 on backward distance, maybe 800 meters, oh my gosh, walk from the monastery.
00:03:56
Speaker
you're just all by yourself in a cottage with a fireplace. And they like, when I first, ah yeah, it's crazy, the fireplace. And i when I first got there, they had fresh break baked bread from their bakery and some fruit in the bowl and milk in the fridge. And I was like, oh my gosh, I feel so cared for. didn't have to talk to a single person. i went on a silent retreat, was there for five am doing with my life that I had not been there?
00:04:21
Speaker
That was great. Super healing. Yes. Yes. Well, kind of like on that, I mean, tell me a little bit about like what are the things that make you feel the most
Connection with Nature and Music
00:04:33
Speaker
alive? Like what are you doing where you're like, oh, this is – this is what I would put here for, this is what I was meant to do Like I feel 100% like myself when I'm doing this.
00:04:42
Speaker
Honestly, definitely being in creation in nature and just being still really and feeling really taken by creation. I don't know how to describe it. I can just look at trees and shapes and birds and hear noises and feel breeze and I'm just like in another planet like I'm in a sanctuary place and that really makes me feel alive but in that time like more than anything but I say doing music really does that too like I feel like I'm the most honest and true when I because I do I love to do music and sing it
00:05:17
Speaker
So that's definitely something that... Yeah. How long have you been doing music for? Like, how did you get into that?
Musical Beginnings and Songwriting
00:05:23
Speaker
Well, I grew up in in the church, so i always grew up loving to sing.
00:05:28
Speaker
But I came to this point where i was like, hey, no one wants to hear someone sing, like, just by themselves. Like, I need to learn an instrument. So I picked up the guitar in high school. And yeah, I've been playing and I used to record my voice.
00:05:41
Speaker
My family weren't very like, my parents are both migrants and worked really hard to send us to school and stuff. And I used to we didn't really have like heaps of gear or anything like that or music, lots of music lessons, sing lessons, anything like that.
00:05:54
Speaker
But I had this cassette and I used to record myself singing and then play it back to myself to like hear my voice. And like, nah, I was anyway, that's how I grew up learning to sing. And that's so cool.
00:06:05
Speaker
Yeah. And then how did you learn how to play guitar? or Like, was that also self-taught or what did you do? i did a be I did get some lessons from, like, a friend and someone from my church, which is really good.
00:06:18
Speaker
But definitely, like, in the beginning stages, but definitely was – I wouldn't say – I'm not, like, I'm not theoretical at all with music. It's more intuitive and I don't think I have the right technique or I know many chords or like that.
00:06:32
Speaker
Self-tour, I guess, in some way. Yeah. Like, so no formal training. That's really cool. And, like, how did you start, like, so it sounded like the music came first and then, like, how did the songwriting kind of come into that?
00:06:44
Speaker
Yeah, that's a great question. My songwriting was born out of, I call it brewing. Like, I feel like I'm an internal processor, so if I'm going through something, I'm not one of those people who love to, like, talk it out.
00:06:57
Speaker
That's really scary because, I don't know. If someone goes, how do you feel? I'm well, don't know. And then they ask you questions and I have no idea how to answer them. So, yeah. So I think that. Like, I need to write this down and think about it.
00:07:10
Speaker
Yeah, totally. I need to know how I felt. was felt i found it really hard to know how I felt and experience my emotions properly when i was growing up. I think that music will happen with like something was brewing inside you for a long time and then at some time at some point it was ready to come out.
00:07:26
Speaker
And the first kind of like that honestly without hindrance or like without was to just go into music and to sing it out. And think that's where a lot of my songwriters come from. It's actually come from processing and journals and out of a deep place of wanting to express something.
00:07:44
Speaker
Yeah. It's interesting.
00:07:48
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. So that it was like that kind of free writing and then it almost became like poetry and then songwriting. And then it was like setting it to slow. It's that kind of, i don't even know. I'm like, how does it work?
00:08:00
Speaker
True. Everyone does it so differently, hey? Some of mine are like definitely poems first and then I've like put them to music. um Some were like completely one-off takes, spontaneous. like I just happened to press record and then this song that I didn't meditate on any of the lyrics beforehand just poured out of me.
00:08:18
Speaker
And it's like basically mainly talking to God is a lot of my stuff. I'm crying out to God and and sometimes it's I'm not like I'm I'm a very lyrics-based poetry-based right words-based person so it's not just like oh that's nice melody let's just like fit in some words here and there that's not normally how I do it personally so yeah sometimes it is poem sometimes it's like spontaneous and the lyrics come as I'm singing about it's different each time yeah That's really cool. Yeah, where it could come from either way. Yeah, it could come from the music. It could come from a poem. it could come from and any kind of combination of the two.
00:08:54
Speaker
It's really nice. So tell me, Pearl, like how did you become a Christian?
Faith and Spiritual Journey
00:08:59
Speaker
i grew up in like a faith home, which I'm really blessed by. Both my parents like didn't grow up in any faith background homes, but I think they made like a solid commitment to following Jesus when they were in their kind of early 20s, I'd say.
00:09:15
Speaker
But yeah, but luckily, yeah, I feel really blessed to have grown up in the and way I have. But I definitely think that obviously my own journey is encouraging. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's beautiful.
00:09:27
Speaker
Yeah. A lot of your parents were like the first-generation Christians, like kind of like myself, and you're oh, I love seeing like that. It just gets passed on in just the very simple moments of, yeah, of raising children. ah It's just so beautiful.
00:09:42
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, I remember hearing a bit of your story, and that was really, really special. Yeah, it was always really encouraging. You're right. Yeah. I think my personal commitment Like I did believe and had faith as a child, but I definitely felt like I personally started following Jesus myself more after like I left school.
00:10:03
Speaker
And like was there anything specific that kind of prompted it or more just like that growing sense of, no, I really i really believe this? Yeah, so some people who've like kind of really inspired me in my faith would be like I had two of my guy friends in high school.
00:10:20
Speaker
and remember having chat with them. I think it was on the bus or something on the bus. And at some point, like in separate conversations, they both told me that they'd read the whole Bible. And I was like, what? Like, who does that?
00:10:32
Speaker
right Like, oh, that's something old and you have like all the time in the world. it's like people my age are reading the whole Bible. And it got me thinking. It did. and And then I started to read a bit and like to the Bible project, actually, to Mackie and realized that I didn't know a lot of the stories in the Bible.
00:10:50
Speaker
thought I knew it all. And then I went and actually read the whole Bible myself. Yeah. And that that out of everything in my faith journey, I think that changed that sparked the fire in my faith journey more than anything else.
00:11:02
Speaker
Yeah. Because what were you expecting and then what did you get? o man. So I started with the New Testament. I did all the Gospels and then went to through the Old and the Prophets. I was really taken by the Prophets, the Old Testament.
00:11:15
Speaker
Which I was struck at how we often, i feel like I was often hearing more teaching on the New Testament and the letters is rather than stories. like And I realized that God was such a storyteller.
00:11:26
Speaker
Like he loves history. Most of the book of the Bible was not laws and like regulations necessarily. It's actually like the story of his people, of history. And something really challenged me. I wrestled with so much reading to the Bible. Like there were things, times where I read something really awful and maybe was like, I don't know, the treatment of women women because, you know, it's very different times back then as well. And I just couldn't pick up the Bible again for a month. Like I was pretty hurt. And it felt like the God of the New Testament and the God of the Old Testament were two different people.
00:11:57
Speaker
And that was something that I found really hard. Yeah. So how did you – mean, you obviously have a personal faith now. Like, how did how did you get through that wrestle or what kind of, yeah, how did you get from A to B?
00:12:13
Speaker
Yeah, that's a really good question. I think that not much has changed in terms of feeling like I could have answers. Like I think I really take comfort in Job's story.
00:12:26
Speaker
Like Job's probably someone I've looked to a lot in more recent years and like just didn't get answers from God, but like it was just evident that God's like God. Look at God, like the mysterious creator of the world with all these creatures and everything. And like, I don't know, I just, I love the end of Job and how it's answered by God. But I think, last especially, feel like everything I know and all the wisdom I've ever had in my life and everything I've been so sure of has been really stripped away, to be honest.
00:12:59
Speaker
And when that's all stripped away, the thing I have is like, the only thing I have is my faith in God. but i yeah Yeah. And I mean, like, it's wild because you're like, Job never knew why he, he never knew why he suffered.
00:13:17
Speaker
Yeah. Like, yeah. Can you, can you trust knowing who God is and knowing his character? You're like, I might not know this one thing, but can I trust this God? Yeah.
00:13:29
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, I don't think, I think to be honest right now, um i know I'm young, but right now I feel like I'm the weakest and the most poorest and in spirit and the most childlike and dependent that I've ever felt in my life and in my faith ever.
00:13:45
Speaker
But like, it's such a paradox because I've never in the same way felt safe and so held and so strong in the Lord and in my faith, like never.
00:13:55
Speaker
So it's just one of those paradoxes, I guess. Yeah, and that's just the thing that gets me. It's amazing. You just think when you feel like you've got it all together, you're like, well, I don't even need to ask God. But when things are going badly, you're like, God, i I need you. I don't have anything else. I need you to hold me. I need you to like, yeah, you're never as close to God as when you're so desperate.
00:14:21
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. So it's gone from like a head knowledge to kind of like that gut level knowledge. What impact does that have on your life if that's what you think? Yeah, I love that.
00:14:38
Speaker
Well, I liked what you said earlier about how when you're most like desperate, you're like close to God. And I had an experience ah recently, i don't want to share heaps, but I was basically in a remote Aboriginal community and there were some times where I was afraid and there was some, like i I've worked, sorry, I'll show some context. I've been visiting Aboriginal, remote Aboriginal communities.
00:15:02
Speaker
like, so for the last seven, eight years, I've been I've been lucky to go been working with different mobs and stuff and around the place. at Yeah, and have a deep, like, love and appreciation of people in their culture.
00:15:19
Speaker
Yeah, but yeah, so there was just some, I was aware of some violence and that had been happening in the community and close to where was staying. And i was still like against the shock that I was working at as well.
00:15:33
Speaker
And I was afraid. i was i was And it wasn't just me. I realized that a lot of people hi were were familiar with fear. um And it was a time where like the kids would like, you know, the kids but loved the kids. They would run around and be like, miss, miss, miss, like, are you scared of this house? This house is haunted, you know.
00:15:52
Speaker
I'm like, don't you hear the voices? Yeah, the wind is so loud. I tell you, the wind would like blow the whole area and you – it's funny because you'd be hearing like a house party and then it would be like – It's like –
00:16:05
Speaker
like it
00:16:07
Speaker
Yeah. And the kids would ask me this and i'd be like, yeah, I am afraid. And they're like, what do you do? And I just say like, yeah, I literally just get out of bed, pace with the light on and like read the Bible, like read the words of God and proclaim it and pray and intercede.
00:16:24
Speaker
And sometimes i I think I did a four day fast when I was there and different things and like It was real. Like I was clinging on his promises and and putting clothing myself in the armor of God. and yeah and there was actually a woman there, a beautiful old elder of the community, very, very beautiful woman.
00:16:43
Speaker
And she was starting to like lose a bit of her memory, probably like dementia. She would forget where she'd put things all the time and keep coming back to the shop and asking for things. I'm like, I just gave you that like – Very sweet.
00:16:56
Speaker
But we ended up doing, at one point I learnt some of the songs in their language and we would sing together um some old gospel tracks they knew from the mission days. She would remember the songs. It was beautiful.
00:17:07
Speaker
And one time, all yeah, so beautiful. And her face would light up. And one time she would was she recited this whole scripture to me. And i was like, Like, how do you remember? And she said, oh, yeah. And she was like, when I was afraid, I'd lock myself in my room and I'd repeat the scriptures until I felt peace and felt calm.
00:17:28
Speaker
And I just, yeah. Wow. Yeah. So just realized that I think being desperate on God and, yeah, just made me way closer to God.
00:17:39
Speaker
And it did really make sense. It's kind of like if you, you know, it sounds like the shift for you has been really appreciating like at a gut level, God is strong and I am weak.
00:17:54
Speaker
And then like the kind of question was like, well, how do we how do we then live? Like, you know, if that's where you're coming from. And I think that's so beautiful ah in that story where, you know, both you and that woman, you're like, if this is really scary.
00:18:08
Speaker
And I don't know if there's anything that I can do, but both of you really relied on scripture. Like, I will just repeat this to my ill repeat this to myself. I will sing it and remind myself of the things about God that aren't changing. Like, because I can't fix this. Like, I can't make it better.
00:18:27
Speaker
Yeah. No, thank you for bringing it back. That's so true. Yeah. kind of Yeah. I definitely felt really weak. And like there was a time when I was... But yeah, but then but then also the strength that you feel in the... Yeah. and this Yes, it's crazy.
00:18:44
Speaker
Yeah. Thanks, Bec. Wow. So... I mean, what is a word of encouragement for someone?
00:18:56
Speaker
Like, you know, if you think about like a woman who might be listening to this and like she's really feeling limits and really coming to feel like like I am really weak. Like what reckon is a word of encouragement you could offer?
00:19:11
Speaker
a That's a really good one. Yeah. Like it's a personal thing, i do but I see so much beauty. and weakness and I guess that's not the way we think of weakness in our society but yeah but I'm a bit weak But like, blessed are the poor in spirit for those the kingdom of heaven. Like, it's just like, yeah, I would, would actually, I'd really do that. I'd really read the Beatitudes in Matthew 5, like how Jesus opens his Sermon on the Mount.
00:19:43
Speaker
It's so beautiful. I also so like how God talks, Jesus talks about the children entering the kingdom of heaven and faith like a child and, I don't know. I think if you're feeling really weak, it's like the biggest opportunity for God to show up in ah really real ways, in really tangible ways.
00:20:02
Speaker
Yeah, I've also like driven around um the country in my van like by myself and there are definitely times I've stayed in places where like oh Yeah, it didn't feel super safe for sure. and like But those were the times where I tell you, like God's presence was real and he was my protector and my provider.
00:20:24
Speaker
And there's so many stories I have of often not knowing where you're going live going sleep or where to find work where you're going find food. I'm kind of in that situation at the moment actually.
00:20:35
Speaker
But God really shows up in those times. Yeah, you're really praying like God provide. Yeah, ah fully. but I feel like you want me back to my hometown then. How do that happen? Because I need somewhere. now I literally prayed this like only six months ago. was like, okay, God, need somewhere to live. i need somewhere to work.
00:20:55
Speaker
I need some vehicle to transport myself so I can get to work. And all those three things were like answered within like a few months. Yeah. Crazily so. so yeah, i really believe that.
00:21:08
Speaker
Like weakness means that God will think something even that you couldn't imagine or you couldn't control yourself, you couldn't make happen yourself. But like only God can. Like what more comforting thing is there than feeling like you're where you're called to be and you're doing what God's called you? Like that is the most comforting thing for me.
00:21:25
Speaker
Yeah.
00:21:28
Speaker
Yes, where you're like, God has made me a certain way and I get to develop those skills and he has put me exactly where I'm supposed to be. Like there's a deep sense of joy and mission. You're like, this thing I'm doing might be hard, but God has me here and he has me for a reason. He's given everything to me to be able to do it.
00:21:49
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I love that encouragement of just like, yeah, you know, God, this is the way God has designed you to be weak and there is joy to be had there and the things that God provides and knowing more deeply his character.
00:22:03
Speaker
There's one more question and then I want to talk to you about your album, but tell me, who would you like to nominate for this next? Like, who do you think, you know, someone who's encouraged you or like another woman?
00:22:16
Speaker
Okay, this might sound like a real caca, don't know, but I really want to hear from you and it feels quite odd having this and being like, this is a beautiful woman of God sitting by her, beautiful mother and like has a beautiful veggie garden. I'm super talented. super talented.
00:22:37
Speaker
I'm super humble. Everybody needs to know me. Like I'm like, I want to hear from you. I really do. I don't know who would like run that, but like, please, You see my veggie garden and you're like, that's it, bro. Yeah.
00:22:58
Speaker
that's it ah
00:23:02
Speaker
yeah I'll have to work it out. I'll have to work it out somehow and be like, well, technically the two interview me. But lastly, tell me about this album of yours because it's coming out and that's really exciting. Yeah.
New Album and Future Plans
00:23:18
Speaker
Wait, let me check. I think it's coming out on like 10 days or something crazy. Wow.
00:23:24
Speaker
Yeah. um So there's stories written in like all over the country. Actually, i think some weren't even written in this country. And it's a very long album.
00:23:37
Speaker
It's like over an hour long. It's split into two sections. There's going to be A-sides and B-sides, inspired by one of those old records by like Jeff. A-sides all the studio saying, all the polish, Schmick-Ori songs, and then B-sides is all the voiced memos and, like, live recordings and you can hear the birds and hear the fire crackling. the year Yeah, it's such horror and real in that sense.
00:24:00
Speaker
It's like, here's the perfect Instagram-worthy side and here's the, like, we're having a coffee together. Yeah. yeah Slide. Slide so.
00:24:12
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. So the the title of the album is called Closing Doors. And i think some people see that as like, was talking to my housemate about this. Yeah. She was saying that like she sees of it as like her going, she closed doors, like as the verb.
00:24:26
Speaker
But I see it as, well, what thought to interpret it was like doors have been closed on me. Kind of different in that way. Like I think it's open to it. It's good.
00:24:37
Speaker
and i was I was living in my friend's in Queensland, and I was like in their little prayer room, and there's just a pad of paper and pens to do some sketching, and I would just sketch doors a lot.
00:24:48
Speaker
And I was just like, why am I sketching? was sketching. like star doors and all kinds of doors that are open and some close and all these different like shapes and and I just felt like I was so fixated on the doors that were closing or closed um and not noticing all the open doors.
00:25:05
Speaker
Yeah, i've just been it's just been an interesting theme and lot of chapters closing. the album contains a lot of songs about people moving away from home or people getting married and living different lives. And so that kind of changing in relationships and also traveling and also seasons ending.
00:25:25
Speaker
I think that's what a lot of the, yeah, whether that's like dynamics within parental or siblings or friends or, so it's a lot of those kinds of things.
00:25:38
Speaker
Yeah, I'm really, really, really excited about it. yeah Like it changes to seasons. Yeah. And like how long has it taken you to make an album?
00:25:49
Speaker
Oh, good question. So I kind of didn't really focus on doing an album. I kind of just like songs just get written when it's their time, I guess, or they kind of write themselves a lot of the time.
00:26:01
Speaker
um When I have my Sabbath, a lot of songs actually come out of Sabbath time as well or sitting in nature and stuff. But this album, it came about, we recorded in September and we literally she just like, it's a very economical.
00:26:14
Speaker
So we would just smash it out in one day. We recorded in one day, like eight hours at my friend's studio the Bills. Yeah, home studio. And I was there the whole day just recorded all, literally just guitar and vocals all in one take. And then my friend who plays flute came over and who sings as well.
00:26:34
Speaker
And she came and like sung for a few hours and played flute and then And that was it. So there you go. That's amazing. Yeah. and If there are women listening who want to find your album, they want to listen to it, they how could they find it or connect with you? Where could they do that?
00:26:52
Speaker
The album will be released on Bandcamp, which is a really good streaming platform for artists that actually like to support musicians. But then it will also be released on Spotify at later dates.
00:27:03
Speaker
And, yeah, I think that's the main thing. the main things but i think it gets to everywhere ends up getting on youtube and all this other stuff as well i also play a lot of shows actually a lot of yeah we're about to play those all around a bit mainly i like to do house shows and intimate settings there's normally a food a lamp yeah festoon lighting and the pool maybe a dog vibe man love the vibe yeah lots of carpets and
00:27:32
Speaker
Rockin' rugs. Yeah, i love it too. I love it so much. So we do house shows. We have a have a company called Red Gum Rhythm. She's run by me and my maker.
00:27:44
Speaker
sir Yeah, so check that out. If you're a king. I will. Yeah, that's really awesome. Well, I think this has been like a really lovely like intro because like I said, like at the top, you're, well, you are one of our regular writers for Stories I Tell You at Dinner.
00:28:02
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And I think it's just a really nice way to kind of get to know the person who's putting out, you know, some of these songs or poems or essays. Like it's just a lovely you know chance to hear everyone.
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So thank you. Thanks for coming on. It's such an honor and privilege. Thank you so much. yeah Thank you for listening. um yeah sharing Sharing us the world is really, really special.