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Haunted Pub Crawl - The Busby Stoop Inn and the Antwerp Mansions
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Listen in as we discuss the haunted chair of death at the Busby Stoop Inn and also the haunted goings on at a place that Ash has investigated himself, The Antwerp Mansions.
We also discuss our recent book launch!
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Transcript
Live Investigation Announcement
00:00:08
Speaker
Hello, Ash. Good evening, Greg. How are you? Yeah, really, really good. You? Yeah, awesome looking. So as this has been released, we will actually be live together during an investigation at a location, kind of in the middle of us both. Yeah. A bit closer to me. But yeah, we look forward to sharing that with all the listeners, see what happens.
00:00:38
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. So we've got a couple of things coming up as well. Another one, which is top secret at the moment, but all will be revealed. But yeah, so looking forward to that also. So.
Paranormal Book Release
00:00:54
Speaker
Also, by the time this is released. And the link will be in the. The show notes, it shall. Our new book has been released, our first book.
00:01:08
Speaker
It's been a very special book. Yeah, it has. Self-published paranormal United States book. So it's 50 chapters, 50 states, and many more paranormal stories, accounts, locations. So
00:01:29
Speaker
available on Amazon currently. If you search for a panel in the United States, it's the top result on there. And as we talk, we are currently number two in the paranormal book category best sellers in the space of like a few days. So yeah, so you can help get us number one. Yeah, definitely.
00:01:55
Speaker
Yeah, I appreciate and thanks to everybody who's already bought one. I've been blown away with him and amount of hand selfies with books that we've received this week. Hand selfies. Randomly, everybody has separately been doing it. That's cool. We've never seen a copy yet. We've not even had our copies come through
Haunted Pub Crawl Discussion
00:02:18
Speaker
yet. People have already bought it and received it. We've not even seen it in person yet.
00:02:22
Speaker
So, yeah, thank you, everybody. It's been a very exciting week, rounded off by us meeting together again tomorrow, so. It's often together, quite conveniently that, actually. It has.
00:02:37
Speaker
Coincidence, remember, all these things are called... Synchronicity. Synchronicity. Hell yeah. I can't leave you. On episode four, what's on the rewatch? On episode four, I think, as well. It's a very good programme, actually. I'm surprised I haven't seen it before, and I'm
00:02:57
Speaker
pleasantly surprised at what I'm seeing. It's really good. That's what I learned about the Estis Method, watching them do it on this and seeing the results that they get. Yeah, insane. Except for all three, isn't it? Yeah, they're sat on the porch doing it. Yeah, some really wild stuff there. Yeah, so Estis Method is a really cool method of experimentation. I can't wait to see if I'm doing it right now as I'm listening to this. There might be the headphones on.
00:03:24
Speaker
communicating with the unknown the unknown indeed the unknown indeed so we haven't done my knees for a little while so this is haunted pub crawl for anybody who's new to the show and every week or so we will certainly every episode we will take a jaunt around the country where we visit local pubs
00:03:52
Speaker
hotel sometimes that have got a bar where there's a haunted experience, accounts, strange goings on. So we started up in Scotland and we're making our way down. We've been to Newcastle
00:04:10
Speaker
Loads of other places that I can't even remember off the top of my head. Aberdeen, we've been all around Scotland, down into the north of England, and we're slowly making our way down. Yeah, so here we are.
Busby Stoop Inn Tale
00:04:25
Speaker
So the first one I'll be talking about is, this is a very interesting one. It's called the Busby Stoop Inn. And- I love some of the weird names, Bob Zell.
00:04:39
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And you wait till you find out why it's called that and what it all is. Cause I saw it and it was like, Oh my God, I need to, I need to talk about that. And let me show you a picture of the outside of the pub. It's, it's a pretty standard, um, haunted pub. Um, the Busby stoop in, as you can see here, you may notice something now.
00:05:11
Speaker
it's not called the Busby stoop. It's like an Indian. It's an Indian restaurant now called the Jalper Spice. It went from being a pub to sort of like a residential home and now it's into an Indian restaurant. So and as with a lot of these places, they do sort of change hands, change sort of commercial use as well.
00:05:38
Speaker
So going back to the Busby Stupin, so the odd name comes from an old owner called Thomas Busby.
00:05:46
Speaker
So it buzzed me in. Around the turn of the 18th century, Thomas Bubsby was a thoroughly despicable man. There's many reports of him being a bit of an asshole. In and around the North Yorkshire's village that he called home, just outside North Allerton, he was quite a notorious individual. Anyone who dared to stand up to him would find a ruthless and often brutal nemesis.
00:06:13
Speaker
It was basically an asshole. Busby was a petty thief and a perpetual barfly. So he did enjoy a drink, obviously bought the pub as well. In his favorite pub, he had a favorite chair and it was a basic standard bar chair that nobody dared to use. But there was one man according to legend that did precisely that.
00:06:38
Speaker
A guy called Daniel Auti was a local forger who had more than a natural talent for his nefarious activities.
00:06:48
Speaker
He was Busby's father-in-law. So there was a family connection there. He purchased a local farm called Danotti Hall. And basically he was a counterfeiter and he was counterfeiting coins back in the day. So he bought this farm and it gave him more room to increase his counterfeiting. Farm was remote.
00:07:14
Speaker
but close enough for him to sort of capitalise on these counterfeit coins that he could circulate around. So Daniel Altie, the father-in-law, goes and sits in Busby's famous, favourite chair, Busby's an asshole, and Busby was aghast when he discovered that somebody had taken his seat, even more so when he realised who it was.
00:07:39
Speaker
So, as per normal, a row breaks out and it escalated into a full-on fight between son-in-law and father-in-law. They both left the pub, didn't end there, and what had started there spilled out to the farmstead, sorry, Daniel's farmstead, and it was there that Busby murdered his father-in-law.
00:08:05
Speaker
It's a bit of a dark twist on the night. This story is so random by the way. Yeah, it is a bit. It's so cruel but it's a large part in this story. We end up carrying on. So there was an investigation that was about as open and shut as it could be because there was witnesses, they had a fight and he killed him. Trial followed in a similar vein and Busby was quickly convicted. A guilty verdict of a murder trial of that era often meant a sentence was death.
00:08:33
Speaker
So Busby's fate was no different. However, he was granted the honor of a final request. So Busby was arrested, tried, condemned to death after he murdered his father-in-law. Busby was actually turns out that he was part of the coin counterfeit business as well. So after the death,
00:08:59
Speaker
There is a variation of the story where Busby cursed the chair whilst on his way to the execution.
Legend of the Cursed Chair
00:09:07
Speaker
Whereas others say he was drunk in the chair when he was arrested and he cursed it then. So we've got this murderer who owned a pub. He was an asshole, dodgy guy.
00:09:22
Speaker
and cursed this chair, whether it was on the way to the execution or not. It was cursed. It was cursed. So, Busby was gibbeted at Sandhutton Crossroads. So gibbet is an instrument of public execution.
00:09:43
Speaker
which is like guillotine, executions block, impalement stake, hanging gallows or related scaffold. Gibbeting is the use of a gallows type structure from which the dead or dying bodies of criminals were hanged on public display to deter other existing or potential criminals. Awesome.
00:10:03
Speaker
Occasionally the gibbet was used as a method of execution with the criminal being left to die of exposure, thirst and or starvation. So you can imagine the gallows, it looked like a gallows basically, and the practice of placing a criminal on display within a gibbet is also called hanging in chains.
00:10:22
Speaker
So not, not the most pleasant. Yeah. And the site of the execution is opposite the pub. So of course, there's a crossroads there, opposite the pub, which is now a roundabout. And that's also said to be haunted by Busby's ghost.
00:10:44
Speaker
So it's a bit of a crazy place. He decided not to move on and decided to stay there. On a roundabout? On a roundabout, yeah. We've done haunted roles. We have done haunted roles. Yeah. There's no strange coincidence that the ghost of this pub is Thomas Busby, they believe. He also haunts the area where he was hanged over the road. There was a chair in the pub that Thomas cursed, as I mentioned before. He said that anyone who shall sit in the chair shall face a horrible and sudden death
00:11:13
Speaker
just like he was due to. So legend has it that many people who have sat on the chair did in fact die within a matter of days and sometimes within hours, which is a bit weird. So we fast forward a couple of years, well, a couple of hundred years really, and locals claimed that during the Second World War, Canadian airmen from the nearby base at Skipton on Swale went to the pub and those who sat in the chair never returned from bombing missions over mainland Europe.
00:11:44
Speaker
which I don't think many did anyway, but as to the legend, and in the 1970s some fatal accidents were linked to the chair. In 1978, however, the chair was ultimately hung from the ceiling of Thirsk Museum to prevent anybody sitting on it, even by maintenance.
00:12:06
Speaker
This is where it gets a bit weirder. A furniture historian examined the chair and found it to have machine turned spindles. Whereas in the 18th century, chairs were made using a pole lathe. So he dated the chair to 1840, which was 138 years after Busby's execution. So I'm not entirely sure there was the chair that he cursed.
00:12:34
Speaker
However, this is when it gets a bit weirder. The mystique of the chair took on a life of its own. Whilst it was still in the pub, the landlord of the pub at the time took measures to prevent a bold use of the chair and it was removed from the main bar and taken down into the basement.
00:12:52
Speaker
However, the chair still managed to find a way back to claim its victims. Sounds like some kind of weird horror film. Wasn't the picture like this chair walking up the cellar stairs on its own? Do you want to see a picture of the chair? Yes, I do. So they did hang the chair up in the pub at one point. And that's it there. It actually looks quite creepy. I'm not going to lie.
00:13:20
Speaker
I was picturing it walking up the stairs. Yeah, it's some kind of... Like at a time. Yeah, it's some kind of weird horror film type thing there, isn't it? So a few minutes later, when maybe one or most of the staff had overlooked the infamous chair, a bricklayer was contracted to do some work. Whilst he was working, he noticed the chair in one of the corners. Apparently it had been forgotten. Chances are they had never heard about the chair and wasn't told either.
00:13:49
Speaker
So on his break, he calmly used it without a second thought. Yeah. Sometime after his lunch break, he contrived to fall to his death from the pub roof, even though following the catalogue of woe, more was to follow. A roofer was working when the roof suddenly gave way. A domestic collapsed into a chair, so a cleaner collapsed into a chair after losing her balance and suffered a fatal aneurysm.
00:14:19
Speaker
A delivery driver crashed his van within an hour of his encounter with the chair. So very, very, very weird. And as I say, 1978, the chair was ultimately hung from the ceiling of Thirsk Museum. And there it stands today. So that is the haunted chair.
00:14:46
Speaker
of the Busby stoop in, and the stoop is apparently the sort of block bit where you stand on when you're going to be executed. So it's Busby stoop in, it was named as. Interesting pub.
History of Antwerp Mansion
00:15:03
Speaker
So a bit different, having a chair this time. That was a good one. Yeah. So a bit different.
00:15:12
Speaker
Nice. Mine's a little bit different as well. You mentioned about kind of a, mainly pubs, sometimes pubs get repurposed into different types of buildings and stuff. And what I'm going to talk about, and I will see if you recognize the name. You may not, but if you do, just tell me. So we're going to go to a place called Antwerp Mansion.
00:15:38
Speaker
in rush home in Manchester if that rings any bells at all. Should it? Possibly. I've got a feeling that I know where this might be going but no it doesn't ring a bell at the moment. We all see. It's not a lodge or anything is it? No. Okay.
00:16:02
Speaker
So Antwerp Mansion was purposely built as a private residence in 1840, forming part of the Victoria Park Estate, a gated community for the wealthy Victorian industrialists of Manchester. Built in an early Gothic architectural style, it was just a house, a big mansion, until it changed its use to a private club in 1922.
00:16:29
Speaker
when extensions to the building were added to incorporate a ballroom and a snooker hole. So I managed to get it under the haunted pub umbrella because it was converted into. It's a bit of a tenuous link. However, in more recent years, the mansion gained an almost cult status within the music scene as it became a nightclub. There's a nightclub.
00:17:00
Speaker
It was a nightclub in Manchester until March 2018. It was known for hosting a wide range of events including club nights, live music, art exhibitions and other cultural caverns. The venue was particularly well known for its vibrant and unique atmosphere, attracting a diverse crowd of locals and visitors over the years.
00:17:21
Speaker
It was especially popular among students and young people due to his lively and inclusive ambience. Since it's been closed, it's been open to paranormal investigation teams, whoa, and the like. So this place is where I went on an investigation last year. Yes, yes, I remember now, yeah.
00:17:44
Speaker
Lots happened in the last year, Ash. It has. But I was just thinking, literally, when we were doing the opening little bits of this episode, how our books finally come out this week. We are meeting up today to allow investigation.
00:18:03
Speaker
And I'm talking about a property, which I've investigated in person. And I don't even realise it's all sort of happened on the same day. It wasn't by having planned to do this episode, this pub today just sort of fell. It just seems we're all tying. Tying a little bit.
00:18:23
Speaker
So the mansion, like I say, it's now open to panel investigation teams and ghost tours and stuff.
Paranormal Activities at Antwerp Mansion
00:18:31
Speaker
It's a well-known haunted location and many believe that it's full of soulful energy that's been brought about by quite a few tragic deaths and unfortunate occurrences that happened at the mansion.
00:18:46
Speaker
These include in 1892, the death of Leo Pinto, aged six months, who died in a forgotten bedroom. In 1910, the death of Sophie Jan Pinto, same family, aged 57, who died in another bedroom. 1922, the death of Joachim Pinto, aged 72, who died in a ballroom.
00:19:14
Speaker
Between 1941 and 1945, several deaths of club members went into Fortin World War II and were killed. In the 1950s, there's a fire in the bedroom. We didn't kill anybody, but obviously damaged the building.
00:19:29
Speaker
In the 1960s, a child fell through the skylight and they end up dying at the bottom of the stairs. In 2008, there was another fire in the servant's wing. So quite a lot of sort of tragic and bad things kind of happening. I realize I'm not putting the picture up. So let's just have a look. Weird, creepy.
00:19:56
Speaker
So this is a good picture, haunted hunts are a group that do investigations and that's their picture I've here kind of used, you know, because they've got a good background on it. So you are listening on audio. You go to our YouTube, you can see the videos and images of the pub and everything as well. So panel activity has been reported there back to the 1970s, went a rocking chair, a scene moving on its own, another chair like we had in your pub.
00:20:27
Speaker
staff that worked in the building when it was a nightclub reported strange noises and the feeling of being watched and partygoers were also reported to being pushed by unknown hands and humming can be heard when no one's around. On numerous occasions a shallow person is reportedly seen walking the following for the building in the blue room to the end of the ballroom and the skylight where the child fell through which is kind of above the
00:20:57
Speaker
It's this. So the staircase is you go in through the main door. It's like a big grand piano in this like sort of hallway. And the stairs on the right, but they twist. So you go up the stairs to your right, then you go around. So you end up at the left. Okay. Yep. As you go in the skylight there is where the child fell through and then end up dead at the bottom of the stairs.
00:21:20
Speaker
and whispering and childish voices can be heard in this kind of lobby area where there's grand piano is. Unexplained flashes of light have been frequently reported over the years and lots of just shadows and things being seen like moving when you look there there's no one there or things like that. Our favourite show most haunted
00:21:45
Speaker
They did an investigation show there and they obviously they had on camera, they caught glasses smashing. Obviously. Someone went upstairs and knocking and tapping. Didn't get pulled up the stairs, did they? I've never seen that episode.
Personal Paranormal Experiences
00:22:07
Speaker
So when we were there,
00:22:12
Speaker
we were down in the cellar and there was like a number of rooms down in the basement area when we were doing the vigil down there and kept having a music box going off that in itself is just creepy because you're in the pits black it's silent next minute the twinkling noise of the
00:22:34
Speaker
old-school style. That's creepy. That kept going off repeatedly. And seemingly on response as well. Before it hit the door, now it's stuck.
00:22:54
Speaker
There's the doors that the closest person to the door. And this was just outside the door, this music box. And it's triggered when someone walks near it. Oh, my God. That was really strange. I'm like, it's OK. You can come into the room. And then he went off as if someone had walked past the music box. So that was creepy. And that was where I got. We did yes, his method, a variation on yes, his method.
00:23:23
Speaker
And when I, when I had it on, we sort of went round the group, taking the internet to use it, people who wanted to use it. And I got a woman's voice saying, I can't know what it was, I think it was, I can't pee.
00:23:40
Speaker
or something like that. And I said it and I was laughing as I said it out loud because I was like, I'm going to laugh because it's just, it's just really random and funny. I mean, I can't, it's something I can't pay or something. Well, I didn't say afterwards, like there was, can't remember what it was, it was, but it was very common back in like 19th century where like urine type diseases. So that easy treatment now would obviously be
00:24:08
Speaker
And then I got one response on the well voice I heard on yesterday's method saying stop coming through stop
00:24:18
Speaker
and then it came through stop the experiment or end the experiment. Well, I didn't say it out loud because I seem to be the only person that kind of picked up any words and in my head I thought it sounds like I'm saying it on purpose, like I'm making it up. Stop the experiment is like too good of a result. I remember you talking about this. Yeah. So I never said it just because I thought
00:24:42
Speaker
And they heard it. It's too good of an answer. It just sounds too fake. I didn't want to say it. The people got to think now that this guy's just blagging. It's literally like, stop the experiment. I didn't say it, but it came through. I told the guy afterwards that he came through closed day. It's either end or stop. End the experiment. I think it was end the experiment. Man's voice came through. I didn't say it out loud because it was too loud.
00:25:10
Speaker
Apart from that, we didn't have much happen. We did the Ouija board, nothing happened. We did table tipping, whereas it was a bit weird. Never done table tipping before, or anything like that. It was weird because
00:25:30
Speaker
There's four of us, two, what good I was with that I knew, and two stranger people. Not stranger people, strangers. Well, they were kind of a bit strange. And we had our fingers on it, and it was tipping that much. Two of them had let go completely, because it had tipped that much, they couldn't physically get the hand on it. I had, literally, the lightest touch of three finger tips on it. I knew a guy very similar.
00:25:59
Speaker
And it was that bent over.
00:26:03
Speaker
There's no way it shouldn't have felt like gravity. We had no, I had no strength behind it. So I had no actual, I wasn't putting any force to keep it up. I was like, she just had three fingertips lightly on it. I can see the other guy opposite. It was very similar. And I was laughing just cause I was just like in disbelief, like how is this table not fall over? How was it stitch on one leg tips like
00:26:31
Speaker
nearly upside down, but still on this one table leg. Like I said, I've never done a table tip move and logged into it to even know like with that something that's normal or what, but that was just a weird thing. Because when we moved downstairs earlier, and we could, because we're in different groups, it's quite a big, a lot of people were there. Two rooms above was where the table tip was.
00:26:54
Speaker
There's loads of banging and everything happening. We didn't get any banging from the tables, just this really weird, pretty much tipped upside down, but still on the floor. It was weird. I've seen videos of people doing table tipping and it's, I don't know, I'm skeptical minded and you see it, you watch videos of it.
00:27:17
Speaker
And you see him and they're like, nearly dancing, just like circles and like, like the hands are on it. I clearly, but we fasten it. And then one person will like go and then it stops and they get back on it. Like, it seems obviously like it's just them just doing the thing on one leg and get circles of it. Just thinking, what's happening?
00:27:36
Speaker
They're doing that where it wasn't spinning or anything. It was just actually tipped upside down. I don't know. It was. Yeah. That's the thing. Until you do these experiments for yourself and get a result, it's like everything until you're, it happens to you. It's very difficult to sometimes believe what appears to be a gravity divine table.
00:28:02
Speaker
And so, yeah, I can't, like at the time of thinking back, I can't explain how that table didn't fall over. Like it's just, just weird. But yeah, that's cool. I saw this and I'm like, yeah, I do. Cause I've been there.
00:28:19
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. It's got a bit of a thingy story, history. And it was a nightclub.
Future Haunted Pub Stories
00:28:26
Speaker
It was like a snake of all stuff. So it does co-under the pub on Berlin. No, it was originally a mansion for a wealthy family joining industrial revolution in Manchester. Awesome. Yeah, no, that was the Antwerp mansion in Manchester. And that was?
00:28:45
Speaker
another episode. So join us again in our next episode where we'll talk about some other pubs on our haunted pub crawl for sure.