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Medium Jenny Lea on Empaths, Higher Self & The Spirit World | What’s Kraken
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Jo welcomes Medium Jenny Lea, a psychic medium and empath whose journey from a childhood filled with ghost stories to professional readings is anything but ordinary. Jenny shares how a chance TV moment sparked her realization that she was a medium, the difference between empaths and mediums, and how she learned to protect and ground herself while working with spirit energy.
They dive deep into:
- What it’s like to sense and communicate with spirits
- How empaths can navigate overwhelming emotional input
- Higher self readings and their surprising insights
- Encounters with deceptive or negative entities — and how to shut them down
- The science-meets-spiritual connection through quantum concepts
- Streaming live readings on Twitch and joining paranormal investigations
From her “two old Muppet men” spirit guides to her role in The Witching Hours Podcast, Jenny offers humor, honesty, and real-world advice for anyone curious about mediumship.
🔗 Visit: MediumJennyLea.com for readings, classes, and streaming links.
🎧 More episodes: https://linktr.ee/Emptyhell
Key Moments:
- Opening – Jo meets Jenny Lea and unpacks what “medium” really means
- Family of believers – Growing up with openness to ghosts, aliens, and past lives
- The 2018 lightning bolt moment – Realizing she was a medium while folding laundry
- Empath vs. medium – Understanding the overlap and key differences
- Childhood challenges – Anxiety and overwhelm from absorbing others’ emotions
- From classroom to spirit room – Using empathy to support students as a teacher
- Bridging to mediumship – Ghost hunting, mentors, and professional training
- Protections and rituals – Candles, sage, palo santo, grounding, and energy bubbles
- Negative encounters – Spotting deceptive entities and using the “teacher voice”
- Higher self readings – What they are, how they work, and cryptic vs. clear messages
- Quantum connections – Time, space, and the spirit world
- Group investigations – Mediums working side-by-side in haunted locations
- Things that won’t click – Why automatic writing isn’t for everyone
- Advice to her younger self – “It’s okay to talk to people”
- Where to find Jenny – Twitch, podcasting, and her website
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Transcript
Intro
00:00:08
Jo
Hey everyone, Joe here and today's what's what's cracking we got none other than the medium Jenny Lee. Jenny, how are you?
00:00:16
Medium Jenny Lea
I'm doing well. This beautiful day is not raining today, so all is well. How are you?
00:00:21
Jo
Touch wood, I love it. So when people say they're a medium, what does that mean?
00:00:29
Medium Jenny Lea
Usually it means that the word medium is kind of, well, I get the joke many times, which does that mean you're not a large or a small?
00:00:42
Medium Jenny Lea
Dad jokes, yeah. And I just have to laugh. but
00:00:47
Jo
my That's my joke that was my only joke I was going to tell. That's my only joke was going to tell. Dang it.
00:00:51
Medium Jenny Lea
But a medium is basically like you're a go-between. You're an in-between for the spirit world and the three-dimensional physical world.
00:01:02
Jo
I like that concept. to like the go The medium between. Oh.
00:01:05
Medium Jenny Lea
Yes, yeah.
00:01:07
Jo
So you are saying medium as in a yeah there's there's a medium between your yogurt and the top. The top, you know the little thing you have peel off.
00:01:19
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah.
00:01:20
Jo
That's the medium between the yogurt and your spoon.
00:01:22
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah. Yeah. Like in order to get to the yogurt, you have to take the lid off, which, which a lot of, a lot of people refer to it as the veil.
00:01:27
Jo
Through the medium.
00:01:31
Jo
The veil.
00:01:32
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah.
00:01:32
Jo
There you go.
00:01:33
Medium Jenny Lea
Mm-hmm.
00:01:33
Jo
I think it comes in. so When was your first experience? i'm guessing you had experience as a kid. i might be wrong. but
00:01:38
Medium Jenny Lea
Yes, I did. uh, i experienced things my whole life and my family was very open to those things. Like it was normal for us to talk about unusual things and past lives.
00:01:49
Jo
Really?
00:01:50
Medium Jenny Lea
And we were interested in ghosts and aliens and all of this. So for me as a kid, it wasn't weird that I was in, that I was into these things or that these things were happening to me because it was something that my family discussed, but I did not put it all together that the things I had experienced my whole life
00:02:00
Jo
Right.
00:02:11
Medium Jenny Lea
meant that I was a medium until like 2018. Yeah.
00:02:15
Jo
Really?
00:02:15
Medium Jenny Lea
yeah
00:02:16
Jo
what happened in 2018?
00:02:18
Medium Jenny Lea
I was, it's just this random thing. I was watching this show called the dead files, which was a ghost hunting show with a medium. And she, at the end of the show, she talks to the woman whose house they were investigating.
00:02:32
Medium Jenny Lea
And she said, I think that you're a medium because I see that you're an empath, which I can go into what an empath is too, if you'd like,
00:02:38
Jo
Right.
00:02:39
Medium Jenny Lea
So, but she said to her, all mediums are empaths, but not all empaths are mediums. And I was like folding clothes, watching the show I like to watch. And all of a sudden i was like, I got struck by lightning because I knew I had been an empath for, at that point, probably 15 years.
00:02:59
Medium Jenny Lea
So to hear her say that, it was like all of those experiences that I had had over my life, it's like they all hit me at once. And I realized that. Oh, yes.
00:03:09
Jo
That's the eureka moment.
00:03:12
Jo
Right.
00:03:12
Medium Jenny Lea
Oh, I see now.
00:03:14
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah, I got it.
00:03:15
Jo
Oh, wow.
00:03:16
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah.
00:03:17
Jo
That is pretty decent. and And that's kind of like a lot of times, well, I'd say history's made for all the wrong reasons.
00:03:25
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah.
00:03:25
Jo
You know, and that's one of the things you could be not watching that show when you wouldn't have known. You'd be watching that show at that time to find this out.
00:03:29
Medium Jenny Lea
Exactly. Yeah. know Mm hmm. Yes.
00:03:34
Jo
That's very cool. So what's an empath? You said your empath. What's that?
00:03:36
Medium Jenny Lea
Yes. So ah empath, most people know what empathy means. It's just like being able to feel, ah being able to put yourself in somebody else's shoes.
00:03:41
Jo
I don't. Oh.
00:03:45
Medium Jenny Lea
and And even if you don't know exactly what they're experiencing, at least you kind of have an idea of of what they're going through.
00:03:49
Jo
Right.
00:03:53
Medium Jenny Lea
But an empath is taking that to a different level.
00:03:57
Jo
Really.
00:03:58
Medium Jenny Lea
many empaths don't even realize that that's what's happening to them. They pick up on everybody's emotions and they And it becomes part of their emotional field and they don't know that it's happening and it causes a lot of problems when you don't realize that you're an empath.
00:04:16
Jo
Yeah.
00:04:16
Medium Jenny Lea
Like anxiety, depression, and people-pleasing problems because you you see what how you feel somebody's disappointment when you tell them no, so then you don't want to tell no anybody no ever.
00:04:30
Medium Jenny Lea
so like all of these things are things that happen to someone before they realize that They have like this extra sensory thing happening with emotions.
00:04:41
Jo
That has to be pretty heavy burden for a kid.
00:04:44
Medium Jenny Lea
It does. Yes. I was extremely shy. Wouldn't talk to people at all. And like, I remember fifth and sixth grade were the worst. I, every day I would go to the bus stop.
00:04:55
Medium Jenny Lea
My stomach would just be churning because I was so scared of going to school and just feeling everybody's things.
00:05:00
Jo
Not bad.
00:05:02
Medium Jenny Lea
And I didn't know what was happening. Yeah.
00:05:05
Jo
Yeah. Feeling everyone's shifting hormones all at once.
00:05:08
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah, it doesn't help any.
00:05:09
Jo
He went to like a thousand puberties. And I was like, oh, I could have barely had one. That had to be something else. Have you ever used that?
00:05:20
Jo
Not so much to your vantage eyes and like profit, like I'm going to be a profit from an empath, but. Have you ever used that to your advantage to read a situation before it got out of hand?
00:05:30
Medium Jenny Lea
Absolutely. I was a public school art teacher for eight years.
00:05:31
Jo
Yeah.
00:05:34
Jo
Wow.
00:05:34
Medium Jenny Lea
And at that point, i already knew that I was empath and I already knew that's something I could do So I used that with my students all the time. When I saw that a kid was having a bad day, I immediately went to ask them what was going on, if they wanted to talk about it or if they didn't, they didn't have to.
00:05:52
Jo
Nice.
00:05:54
Medium Jenny Lea
But I think that that helped. I know that it helped because a lot of kids that have have come back to tell me how much it helped them, that I was someone who saw that something was going on and cared enough to ask.
00:06:09
Jo
Yeah, I think that's a proper use for it That's a proper ah field would be education for empath.
00:06:14
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah.
00:06:17
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah, definitely.
00:06:17
Jo
To be able to see the kids, you know.
00:06:18
Medium Jenny Lea
Mm-hmm.
00:06:20
Jo
Now, when you transition from your empath self to your mediumship,
00:06:28
Medium Jenny Lea
Mm-hmm.
00:06:29
Jo
Is that a natural bridge? Because, you know, like the line on TV show said, like, all mediums are empaths, now all empaths are mediums. Was that a natural transition to you? is it something you just, like, recognize you've done before? and Like, oh, that's something, that make sense, right?
00:06:44
Medium Jenny Lea
Yes. One example would be when I was getting ready to get married, like we were just a few months away from getting married. I was at home by myself.
00:06:55
Medium Jenny Lea
it's I'm always doing household things. Apparently I was washing dishes.
00:06:58
Jo
Right.
00:07:00
Medium Jenny Lea
And my great grandmother, who had passed away fairly recently at that time, I sensed her in the kitchen with me.
00:07:12
Medium Jenny Lea
And I had a conversation with her in my head about getting married because in my family, of that particular side, they didn't have very good experiences with getting married and having, you know, being with men and having families.
00:07:28
Jo
Right. Yeah.
00:07:30
Medium Jenny Lea
So she was worried. She's like, are you doing the right thing? And I'm like, i think as I think I am. You know, I think so. And she just wanted me to know that she was concerned and that she hoped I was doing the right thing.
00:07:43
Medium Jenny Lea
So to anybody else, that experience would have, first of all, I don't know if it would have got that far because hearing a voice in your head that isn't your thoughts would probably freak most people out.
00:07:52
Jo
yeah
00:07:55
Medium Jenny Lea
But for me, it was just like, oh, grandma's here. I'm going to talk to her. We're going to have this conversation. But, you know, that was in 20, that was in 2003.
00:08:04
Medium Jenny Lea
three and our two thousand And, or 2004, no, 2003. And it took until 2018 for me to put all of it together.
00:08:14
Jo
Well, that's a good example of it.
00:08:14
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah.
00:08:17
Jo
It really is. I think you hit it home. And when people are maybe first experiencing this and you're hearing voices in your head, you immediately think, oh, no.
00:08:26
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah. I'm going to the loony bin.
00:08:27
Jo
you know Yeah.
00:08:28
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah.
00:08:29
Jo
um But that's a trip. If you're cognizant of hearing voices in your head, it means most likely nothing's wrong with you because you're cognizant of hearing voices in your head versus just hearing the voices not being aware that they're in your head only.
00:08:40
Medium Jenny Lea
yeah
00:08:44
Medium Jenny Lea
Yes, hopefully. Yes.
00:08:45
Jo
Yeah. but Yeah. Right. such So you had a conversation. Did you ever feel the need to vocalize those conversations?
00:08:57
Medium Jenny Lea
I would talk to my family about them. because they were you know they were totally cool with things like that.
00:08:59
Jo
Okay.
00:09:03
Medium Jenny Lea
I was very lucky to have a family that was open and excited about when things like that that happened. So many people that I talked to within this spiritual world or medium world, they didn't have that.
00:09:17
Jo
Right.
00:09:20
Jo
No.
00:09:20
Medium Jenny Lea
So I'm very lucky to have a family that's very supportive.
00:09:24
Jo
Yeah, i'm I'm thinking some people right now. was the opposite for them, where their family just kiboshed it.
00:09:29
Medium Jenny Lea
Mm-hmm.
00:09:30
Jo
And so they kind of stunted their development for like 10, 15 years.
00:09:31
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah.
00:09:35
Medium Jenny Lea
Yep.
00:09:37
Jo
And then realized like, oh, I don't have to listen to what mom and dad said while was eight.
00:09:39
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:09:41
Jo
Yeah. So... Once you will realize you have this gift, this ability, how do you then start utilizing your ability to the point where you become medium, Oh, cool.
00:09:58
Medium Jenny Lea
So I started with just the fact that I had to admit to myself that's what I was. And then i just stumbled across a local ghost hunting investigation group at the time, and they were looking for new members. So I put in a Google form and said, I'm a medium.
00:10:18
Medium Jenny Lea
was the first time I put it anywhere, said it.
00:10:19
Jo
Yeah.
00:10:20
Medium Jenny Lea
And i just happened, there just happened to be another medium in the group. So That was the beginning for me. She kind of took me under her wing and we and we practiced together and we learned together. And then from there, I took classes with a local medium named Jay Marie.
00:10:36
Medium Jenny Lea
And then during COVID, like so many people, everybody's got their COVID story, right? During COVID, I was able to take classes with the wonderful and amazing Cindy Kaza from the Holzer Files and and all kinds of television things.
00:10:41
Jo
yeah
00:10:49
Jo
yeah
00:10:51
Medium Jenny Lea
And she was really my main mentor on learning how to be a medium. And from there, I just jumped into doing readings professionally and haven't stopped.
00:11:04
Jo
So okay that's really interesting because you're seeing it as a class structure, right? Meaning something you can learn, you you have
00:11:09
Medium Jenny Lea
Yes.
00:11:13
Jo
You can draw. That's not my drawing. Glenn Farby.
00:11:16
Medium Jenny Lea
Cool.
00:11:16
Jo
Glenn can draw, but he had art classes or some sort of training in art.
00:11:18
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah. Yes.
00:11:22
Jo
You are a medium, but you also went for the classes on how to hone your art.
00:11:27
Medium Jenny Lea
Absolutely.
00:11:28
Jo
If it's not improper, may ask what were the just general topics that you focused on?
00:11:33
Medium Jenny Lea
So now that I've been doing this for about five years, I also teach classes on how to be a medium.
00:11:38
Jo
Oh, cool.
00:11:39
Medium Jenny Lea
So you start with what we call the clairs, which are basically like with clairsentience, clairaudience, and it's just taking all of the senses that we have
00:11:51
Jo
Right. That's cool.
00:11:51
Medium Jenny Lea
but looking that at them in that extrasensory way, plus knowing, clairsentience is knowing.
00:11:55
Jo
that's
00:12:00
Medium Jenny Lea
So like just knowing something is like the extra, extrasensory one that gets thrown into the different clairs. So that's that's the baseline of like learning how to be either a psychic or a medium.
00:12:14
Medium Jenny Lea
And then from there, it's really... In order to do any of this kind of work, you have to know your own emotions. There's that empath stuff coming back.
00:12:26
Medium Jenny Lea
You have to know your own emotions.
00:12:26
Jo
Right.
00:12:28
Medium Jenny Lea
You have to know your own thoughts. You have to know all of the things about yourself before you can really understand when information is coming from somewhere else so that you can differentiate it.
00:12:40
Jo
Yeah.
00:12:42
Jo
Absolutely. In Oxford, do we call that the confounding variable where it could be your experiment or you did something else.
00:12:51
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah.
00:12:52
Jo
Exactly. It could be that thought or it could be yours.
00:12:55
Medium Jenny Lea
Yes.
00:12:55
Jo
So knowing your own thought first crosses that off.
00:12:59
Medium Jenny Lea
Yes.
00:12:59
Jo
I think that's important. I think a lot of people miss that, by the way.
00:13:02
Medium Jenny Lea
I think, yeah.
00:13:02
Jo
I've seen that they misread or they, you know, it's, I'm not blaming them, but it seems that people will misread it, their own energy as someone else's because it does mix a bit.
00:13:14
Medium Jenny Lea
Mm-hmm.
00:13:15
Jo
So how were you able to differentiate for yourself?
00:13:19
Medium Jenny Lea
It just takes a lot of practice.
00:13:21
Jo
Practice.
00:13:21
Medium Jenny Lea
And also for mediums specifically, ah ah it's also a trusting that what you're getting is correct. And then the more times that someone that you're reading for can validate and confirm what the the information that you're getting is true, then it just helps to build that confidence and that trust.
00:13:40
Medium Jenny Lea
And then eventually you just trust it all the time. You're not questioning it anymore. and you know, nobody is 100% correct ever because we do have those things with our own mind or, you know, like coming through the veil, is the information coming correctly or not?
00:13:56
Jo
Yeah.
00:14:00
Medium Jenny Lea
Or we misunderstand something. So like nothing is ever 100%.
00:14:07
Medium Jenny Lea
just trust. it's about trust and and really Having those validations and confirmations over hundreds of readings is really what lets someone know that this is for real and this is not just me, my imagination making something up.
00:14:26
Jo
Yeah.
00:14:29
Jo
And I think that last bit is especially powerful because one of the more frustrating things probably is people not believing you. We're like, no, no, really.
00:14:45
Jo
And then they go off their own detriment and get harmed because they didn't believe. You're like, well, I told you the stove was hot. What do you want? You know? Has that ever happened to you?
00:14:55
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah.
00:14:55
Jo
you're like, no, no, really, it's this, but like, no.
00:14:59
Medium Jenny Lea
I think that the biggest issue for people that I read for is that whatever energy comes through for them, whether I'm giving them an evidential reading, which is like their grandma came through and wants to tell a message, or if I'm doing a tarot reading or if some other kind of energy has come through, because a lot of different types of energies come through, they'll give them a message and the person listens to it, but then they don't do anything with it.
00:15:31
Medium Jenny Lea
So then the next time they come for a reading, they get the same message told to them in a different way. And that just, like, people will get the same message over and over and over again from different sources and told in different ways until they actually do something.
00:15:48
Medium Jenny Lea
i think that's... probably the biggest issue but you know exactly yeah
00:15:51
Jo
Yeah, but that's human nature. It's like going to your doctor. Doctor's like, you know, what was the old joke? Doctor, doctor, my arm hurts when does this. Well, stop doing that.
00:16:00
Medium Jenny Lea
yeah yeah or giving your friend you know giving a friend advice and they don't listen and then something happened you're like yeah i told you whatever yeah so the universe and spirit does the same thing they're like hey
00:16:01
Jo
No. So you you you have that, right?
00:16:10
Jo
I told you you was no good for you.
00:16:16
Medium Jenny Lea
Don't do this, do that. But if we don't listen, it's our own free will. So we just learn a different way.
00:16:23
Jo
That is true. We have free will to be dumb.
00:16:25
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah.
00:16:27
Jo
And sometimes it'ss it's more comfortable that way sometimes.
00:16:30
Medium Jenny Lea
and
00:16:30
Jo
it it It is. you know It's the whole matrix thing.
00:16:31
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah.
00:16:33
Jo
Sometimes it's easier to keep your blinders on and it's all good.
00:16:36
Medium Jenny Lea
Well, most people have to learn that way. And that's, like you said, it's human nature.
00:16:41
Jo
Yeah, stove is hot. So have you ever seen or heard anything that was either miss and from not using it the colloquial way like misinformation on purpose, like the whatever behind the veil was lying or harmful?
00:16:58
Medium Jenny Lea
Yes.
00:16:59
Jo
Okay.
00:17:00
Medium Jenny Lea
Just like there is jerky, awful people in the living, there can be jerky, awful people when they're also deceased.
00:17:09
Jo
Yes.
00:17:09
Medium Jenny Lea
So I've had some mean, nasty people that were just mean, nasty people come through.
00:17:15
Jo
Right.
00:17:15
Medium Jenny Lea
But I've also had, can think of one specific time that there was an entity of some sort, and I don't know what to call it or what it necessarily, if there's a word for it, but it was trying to show itself as a dog.
00:17:34
Medium Jenny Lea
But I immediately knew something was wrong. and my whoever helps me, my spirit guides or whatever is like, or alert, alert. So then i was like, No, I don't, I don't believe that this is really what you are. And then it showed itself. And it was a pretty scary looking creature of some sort.
00:17:54
Medium Jenny Lea
who was trying to weasel its way into this reading for whatever its purposes might've been.
00:17:58
Jo
Yeah.
00:18:00
Medium Jenny Lea
I don't know, but it wasn't anything good.
00:18:03
Jo
Well, that's interesting. That is interesting because it is the... I wasn't there, so I'm not going name it either. But there are instances where the seat is a tool of, let's say, an extra-worldly...
00:18:24
Jo
thank right and remember what's what's the difference between a dead person a person existed and dead and an entity and that never had a physical body right exactly we don't know we don't know so you have a spiritual you said spiritual guides do you mean that in the general sense or like a specific nameable
00:18:24
Medium Jenny Lea
Yes.
00:18:32
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah. It might not have. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:18:47
Medium Jenny Lea
It's for me, it's kind of. unusual because most I feel like most mediums are spiritual people like they know all of their guides and they know exactly who they are and they talk you know they talk to them all the time and for me I know that I have guides I have one specific guide that helps me with my channeling work he was a Maya priest
00:18:59
Jo
right. Yep.
00:19:15
Medium Jenny Lea
And then I have my higher self, which everyone has a higher self. We can talk about that two more if you want. My higher self, I feel like, is the one that I'm the most connected with. And that is, which you can just think of how your higher self as like your consciousness or your your inner voice or like that gut feeling that you get. Like that's your yeah that's your higher self intuition type of thing.
00:19:39
Medium Jenny Lea
But I know that there's other guides, but they do. they don't let me know who they are. And I think that's kind of unusual for a medium.
00:19:46
Jo
Interesting.
00:19:50
Jo
yeah Sometimes, yeah, it seems ah like a stranger helping you out.
00:19:53
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah.
00:19:57
Jo
Is it the same ones?
00:19:57
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah. I think so.
00:20:00
Jo
Yeah.
00:20:00
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah.
00:20:02
Jo
Maybe they just haven't revealed yet.
00:20:02
Medium Jenny Lea
Uh, I, I think that's it. My, uh, A person, another person gave me a reading and she said they seem like the two old men from the Muppets that sit up in the balcony and they make fun of everything.
00:20:18
Jo
Yes.
00:20:20
Medium Jenny Lea
and I was like, yeah, that tracks.
00:20:23
Jo
Yeah, about that. Yeah. And now we all have the image our minds, by the way.
00:20:27
Medium Jenny Lea
Yes.
00:20:27
Jo
See, and that is an ability.
00:20:27
Medium Jenny Lea
Mm hmm.
00:20:30
Medium Jenny Lea
okay
00:20:30
Jo
So when you are having these moments and you're having these things and you're having these conversations, has there ever been a time you feared for yourself?
00:20:43
Medium Jenny Lea
Yes, i was actually just going back and looking at, because I stream live on Twitch readings.
00:20:49
Jo
Right. Okay.
00:20:50
Medium Jenny Lea
So i've I've been recording them for the last two, yeah, two-ish years. So I actually had gone back and looked at one recently where there was some man who had come in was,
00:21:07
Medium Jenny Lea
said that he was there for the person I was reading for, but the person didn't know, the sitter didn't know who he was. And he kept trying to show me nasty things.
00:21:19
Medium Jenny Lea
Like he wanted me to see like gory, disgusting things.
00:21:22
Jo
Right. Yeah.
00:21:25
Medium Jenny Lea
And then all of a sudden, he started to try to materialize beside me. And I could feel the energy change and shift.
00:21:36
Medium Jenny Lea
And I was just like immediately on ah ah alert. And I was I said, no, I saw myself in the video because I had forgot this had happened.
00:21:44
Jo
all the yeah
00:21:46
Medium Jenny Lea
And I turned to the side and I was like, no, you are not doing that. And then we just had to let him go because that was not acceptable to me.
00:21:56
Jo
that That's interesting. You're the second person recently that told me when something negative was about to happen, they scolded them like a child and then they went away.
00:22:06
Medium Jenny Lea
Yes. Well, you got gotta remember I was a teacher.
00:22:09
Jo
Yeah, that's exactly what I've heard that before.
00:22:11
Medium Jenny Lea
got my teacher voice out. I said, no, stop.
00:22:12
Jo
Yeah.
00:22:15
Jo
So, okay, that goes into the next question then.
00:22:18
Medium Jenny Lea
Yes.
00:22:18
Jo
What protections, you don't have to say it out loud. I know when I, any question you're like, I can't say that out loud. Just skip over.
00:22:24
Medium Jenny Lea
Okay.
00:22:26
Jo
What protections do you have in place to keep you grounded and safe then?
00:22:31
Medium Jenny Lea
So before I do any reading, and everybody that does this kind of work has a different procedure or ritual or ceremony or whatever.
00:22:33
Jo
Right.
00:22:38
Jo
Right.
00:22:39
Medium Jenny Lea
This is just what I do. I do, I light a candle, i light an incense, I burn sage and palo santo, which the sage is supposed to remove negative and the palo santo is supposed to put in positive.
00:22:52
Jo
Mm-hmm.
00:22:53
Medium Jenny Lea
And then i do a grounding exercise where I just imagine myself rooted to the earth. And then I go through my chakras, which are my and your energy centers of your body. And then I kind of open myself up.
00:23:05
Medium Jenny Lea
And for many, many years, i don't i don't feel like I have to do this anymore. But the for the first couple of years, I would specifically set intentions, which intention is such a huge part of any kind of spiritual work.
00:23:22
Medium Jenny Lea
I would set the intention that only things that were for the positive, for for the good, could come through and nothing that was meant to cause harm or that wanted to harm me or others.
00:23:34
Jo
Right.
00:23:35
Medium Jenny Lea
They weren't allowed to come to the to the you know into this session. so And then i also years like an energy kind of like people refer to it as like the bubble like the bubble exercise.
00:23:52
Medium Jenny Lea
You're using the anen energy bubble of light to protect yourself or your room.
00:23:53
Jo
Yep. The golden and light.
00:23:57
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah. So those are my main ones. But I also have a lot of trust in my guides, even if they are two grouchy old Muppet men that I don't know.
00:24:07
Medium Jenny Lea
i have a lot of trust in them to to protect me.
00:24:12
Jo
Interesting interesting so you no longer use the only good you don't you longer use the intention so that was like a training meal for you
00:24:13
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah.
00:24:22
Medium Jenny Lea
Yes, like I feel like I did it so much in the beginning that I don't need to say it anymore.
00:24:26
Jo
So it's automatically baked in like you're doing your reps and it's muscle memory at this point, okay with all of that, how do you close
00:24:28
Medium Jenny Lea
Yes.
00:24:31
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah.
00:24:37
Medium Jenny Lea
I used to visualize physically closing down, like closing it off and and kind of dimming the chakras. I used to do that for the first couple of years too.
00:24:49
Medium Jenny Lea
But now I don't really feel like I need to do that either. It's just like when i when I step away from my space, it's like turn the off light.
00:25:00
Medium Jenny Lea
I turn the open light off.
00:25:00
Jo
okay
00:25:02
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah.
00:25:02
Jo
Got it.
00:25:03
Medium Jenny Lea
yeah
00:25:04
Jo
ah ah Interesting. And you said you're doing it on Twitch. What's your Twitch handle?
00:25:07
Medium Jenny Lea
It's medium Jenny Lee.
00:25:09
Jo
Easy. I love it. Good branding.
00:25:11
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah.
00:25:12
Jo
So I'm guessing you maybe started doing this during COVID for Twitch or slightly after?
00:25:17
Medium Jenny Lea
I did all of my classes during COVID time. And then 2021, I started streaming on Twitch.
00:25:24
Jo
Okay.
00:25:24
Medium Jenny Lea
And yeah, 2020.
00:25:25
Jo
I have no idea when COVID is anymore.
00:25:27
Medium Jenny Lea
That was five years ago.
00:25:29
Jo
Five. It seems like decade or two. Okay.
00:25:34
Medium Jenny Lea
Yes.
00:25:35
Jo
So have you tried, because Twitch is remote reading, right?
00:25:35
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah.
00:25:41
Jo
Have you tried, how did you experiment? Like, how did you know that would work for you?
00:25:41
Medium Jenny Lea
Yes.
00:25:45
Medium Jenny Lea
I didn't. I mean, I guess in some ways I did know that it would work because I learned how to do readings through the internet during COVID.
00:25:55
Jo
Right.
00:25:55
Medium Jenny Lea
But that was when I could see someone and I knew their name.
00:25:59
Jo
Hmm.
00:25:59
Medium Jenny Lea
On Twitch, I can't see them. And I only see their handle, you know, their internet handle.
00:26:01
Jo
It's a chat box.
00:26:04
Jo
right.
00:26:06
Medium Jenny Lea
So I didn't know if it was going to work or not. But then it did.
00:26:10
Jo
That's interesting. No, that's pretty interesting because usually there's like that the two camps, right? You have to be in the presence of.
00:26:18
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah.
00:26:18
Jo
But I think that camp was pre-internet.
00:26:21
Medium Jenny Lea
Yes.
00:26:21
Jo
You know, they didn't even think about it. It's like someone if in eighteen hundred s thinking about airplanes.
00:26:27
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah.
00:26:28
Jo
Like, oh, I can travel to where to where like, no.
00:26:28
Medium Jenny Lea
hmm.
00:26:31
Jo
So you're saying there's no distance between you and the veil. I have someone, else you know, poke through.
00:26:37
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah, no, it's just energy. And the more that you dive into the spiritual you realize that there's no time and space on the other side.
00:26:51
Jo
I'm very interested.
00:26:52
Medium Jenny Lea
And quantum physics is starting to figure that out, that things can happen instantaneously over huge distances of space.
00:27:01
Jo
right.
00:27:03
Medium Jenny Lea
So there's some connection between the quantum and the spiritual, and maybe they're the same thing. i we just don't know yet. I think science is starting to catch up with things that people have that are connected to this so the spirit world or whatever you wanna call it, have known since the beginning of humanity.
00:27:24
Medium Jenny Lea
i think i think we're seeing it kind of come together.
00:27:27
Jo
No, that's accurate. And especially as science unveils more and more and more, the things that we always believed in are new for sure ourselves are now getting labeled. I think science is very good at labeling.
00:27:40
Medium Jenny Lea
Yes, we have to have names and categories.
00:27:40
Jo
but They discover that's already there.
00:27:42
Medium Jenny Lea
Yes, that's a human thing.
00:27:42
Jo
Yeah, exactly. Hey, we discovered this. Like, how did you discover it was already there? Like, it's been there.
00:27:46
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah.
00:27:49
Jo
It just renamed it.
00:27:50
Medium Jenny Lea
Yes.
00:27:52
Jo
So you do this and you have your readings on Twitch. Are you still active in ghost hunting or investigations, I should say?
00:28:03
Medium Jenny Lea
Well, we ended up moving away from the area where the group was that we were part of. But in the last six months or so, we've been, my husband and I also do a podcast called the Witching Hours Podcast.
00:28:17
Medium Jenny Lea
we Yeah, everybody's got a podcast, right? So our podcast is like Paranoval Supernatural. We just teamed up with the Spirit Realm Network and they have events that they do every year.
00:28:28
Medium Jenny Lea
where people that are part of the network go to haunted locations and they investigate together and then we stream it live. So we just got to go do one of those and that was super fun.
00:28:34
Jo
Sounds like fun.
00:28:38
Jo
it Sounds like a blast. Sounds like a blast.
00:28:39
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah.
00:28:41
Jo
When you're doing those investigations with a group of people, are there any random energies that... Because I'm guessing it's like a a ah big beehive of chaos.
00:28:51
Medium Jenny Lea
It can be, yeah.
00:28:52
Jo
Yeah. Is there anything that you have to do extra to filter things out to make sure nothing else is bleeding in or having the combined mediums antenna too strong to pull little too hard?
00:29:05
Medium Jenny Lea
It's interesting because, for example, the one we just went to, fellow medium was there. So it was two mediums and another sensitive person. I think she considers herself a medium, but she was just the camera lady for the day. She wasn't really participating.
00:29:22
Medium Jenny Lea
But the two of us together, it's really weird when mediums work together because we well both we both picked up on different things and
00:29:33
Jo
Right. Right.
00:29:34
Medium Jenny Lea
But we also picked up on some things that were the same. So just like every person's experience in life, even though we're going through, we're living in the same world, we're doing the same human things, everybody's experience is different. Their perspective is different.
00:29:52
Medium Jenny Lea
The medium's experiences can be different as well, even though we're in the same location and we're doing the same thing and we have the same skills. It was it was most some different, some the same.
00:30:05
Jo
So it's kind of like a ah ah two magicians jamming.
00:30:10
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah.
00:30:10
Jo
but look at
00:30:10
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:30:13
Jo
Both can hit the same notes, but you might be...
00:30:14
Medium Jenny Lea
It's going sound different. Yeah.
00:30:17
Jo
As music speaks through you. You talked about your higher self. What's that?
00:30:22
Medium Jenny Lea
Mm-hmm. Okay. so the short version of higher self is it's your consciousness itself. your intuition, your gut feeling. Everybody has that to some extent.
00:30:34
Medium Jenny Lea
you know You get that little and nibble of information that pops in and says, you know don't turn that way today, and then you find out there was an accident.
00:30:34
Jo
right.
00:30:42
Medium Jenny Lea
you know
00:30:43
Jo
Right.
00:30:44
Medium Jenny Lea
So that's the the short of it. The large of it, I'm still trying to really wrap my head around because it's so complex and confusing.
00:30:55
Medium Jenny Lea
but The ah ah concept behind it is that we're actually like multi-dimensional beings, even though part of us is in this three-dimensional physical body on earth, there's also a part of us that's in a higher dimension that experiences
00:31:08
Jo
right
00:31:16
Medium Jenny Lea
all of, if you believe in reincarnation, all of our lives that we've ever lived or that we will live.
00:31:19
Jo
Right. Interesting.
00:31:22
Medium Jenny Lea
So they have like this huge overview of everything about us through all time and space.
00:31:31
Jo
right
00:31:31
Medium Jenny Lea
And because of that, they can be very helpful when it comes to things that you need to know in your life. So if you can learn how to connect to your higher self,
00:31:45
Medium Jenny Lea
They are literally a wealth of information about yourself. Now, they won't tell you everything because we are supposed to have free will. So they can only go so far because they still want us to make our own choices.
00:32:00
Jo
Right.
00:32:00
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah.
00:32:02
Jo
Have you ever tried to contact someone else's higher self?
00:32:06
Medium Jenny Lea
They actually come through in readings.
00:32:08
Jo
Have they?
00:32:08
Medium Jenny Lea
And I don't know how that works.
00:32:08
Jo
Yeah.
00:32:10
Medium Jenny Lea
And I don't know why it happens.
00:32:13
Jo
Yeah, because was wondering, yeah.
00:32:14
Medium Jenny Lea
But yes, I do have higher selves come through for other people.
00:32:19
Jo
Do they give more information to you or maybe just shout louder since you are the medium and saying, hey, this dummy won't listen to me, so maybe they'll listen to you.
00:32:28
Medium Jenny Lea
The fun thing about a higher self reading is that i usually let the higher self give the information they want to give, but then I let the sitter ask them questions.
00:32:38
Jo
Okay. Yeah.
00:32:38
Medium Jenny Lea
So then the sitter can ask whatever questions they want to about whatever it is that's happening they want to know about. But it just depends Because sometimes a higher self will be very cryptic and they'll give only little bits of information that's still confusing.
00:32:56
Jo
yeah
00:32:57
Medium Jenny Lea
Or sometimes they'll just outright not answer. Or sometimes they'll be very clear and give step-by-step directions on like what the person should do. So it really varies a lot.
00:33:13
Jo
If I said the word holy guardian angel, would that make sense to you?
00:33:16
Medium Jenny Lea
Mm-hmm.
00:33:17
Jo
Phrase, actually, not a word.
00:33:19
Jo
HGA.
00:33:20
Medium Jenny Lea
I don't know that specific phrase, but I've also had angels come through.
00:33:23
Jo
Okay.
00:33:25
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah.
00:33:25
Jo
don't have to Don't have to worry. because it It was kind of akin to the higher self, so I didn't know if that was a different term that we're using.
00:33:29
Medium Jenny Lea
Okay.
00:33:31
Jo
So when you are seeing someone else's higher self, is there any...
00:33:35
Medium Jenny Lea
Mm-hmm.
00:33:38
Jo
doubt that that's actually their higher self and not something posing as
00:33:43
Medium Jenny Lea
I... And I feel very confident in my, it's either my ability or those guides that are helping me show, it to show me if something is well not what it seems to be.
00:33:54
Jo
the guys right
00:33:59
Medium Jenny Lea
And I usually feel it immediately that there's something off and this isn't right. So if I allow myself to kind of feel into that instead of what is there trying to show me, then I can usually understand what's really happening.
00:34:15
Medium Jenny Lea
So when it's a higher self, I had a whole
00:34:21
Medium Jenny Lea
Spirit gave me a very interesting road that I traveled down with the higher self readings. It started with visually seeing them. So I would know that it's them because I would see it as the person who I'm talking with.
00:34:37
Jo
right
00:34:38
Medium Jenny Lea
But then over time, it now I don't have to see it anymore. They don't have to show me the visual. I just know the energy.
00:34:45
Jo
Interesting. Very interesting. Has there anything you've tried with your empath and mediumship that no matter how hard you try, you just couldn't get
00:34:58
Medium Jenny Lea
Yep. Automatic writing.
00:35:01
Jo
Oh, that's hard for everyone.
00:35:02
Medium Jenny Lea
Yes.
00:35:03
Jo
Oh, I guess for one person, it's probably ultimately.
00:35:06
Medium Jenny Lea
Automatic writing. I just can't. I just can't get it to work. I've tried it multiple times. I took a workshop on it. And so it's just, you know, it'll be like five pages of scribbles with a couple things that look like words. And yeah, it it doesn't work for me.
00:35:23
Jo
Have you tried typing?
00:35:24
Medium Jenny Lea
I have.
00:35:25
Jo
OK.
00:35:25
Medium Jenny Lea
I tried that too. Nothing.
00:35:27
Jo
Still, yeah, because sometimes the For those at home going, I think I was being a smart butt. Like, if you try typing instead writing, that's the actual appropriate response is because it's just a different, no pun, medium.
00:35:39
Medium Jenny Lea
Mm-hmm.
00:35:40
Jo
you know It's like the the hand versus the the fingers versus, like I guess, keyboard swiping.
00:35:41
Medium Jenny Lea
Mm-hmm.
00:35:44
Medium Jenny Lea
Yes.
00:35:46
Jo
It's just different ways to channel, right?
00:35:48
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah.
00:35:49
Jo
And sometimes someone's like really good at one and can't get that low in the flow.
00:35:53
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah, no. Mm-mm. no No automatic writing for me, not yet, anyway.
00:35:56
Jo
Okay.
00:35:58
Jo
Not yet. There you
00:35:59
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah.
00:36:00
Jo
We all have goals. So if you were able to talk to your younger self, and I'm talking like child years, what advice would you give?
00:36:10
Medium Jenny Lea
Yes.
00:36:14
Medium Jenny Lea
I really wish that I would have realized that I didn't need to be so scared of other people.
00:36:26
Medium Jenny Lea
So I would go back and tell myself that these people that are around you that you think are out to get you or they don't like you or they're judging you,
00:36:40
Medium Jenny Lea
it's not what you think it is.
00:36:42
Jo
just Interesting.
00:36:43
Medium Jenny Lea
So you you can you can talk to people and it's okay.
00:36:43
Jo
Good advice.
00:36:47
Jo
That's really good advice. It's good advice, and the weird thing is you wouldn't be able to be who you are today without that.
00:36:58
Medium Jenny Lea
Yep. Absolutely.
00:37:00
Jo
Because anyone at home going, like, why didn't your higher self say this? Because you have free will, and because the ultimate game, you know, it's
00:37:03
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah. Yeah.
00:37:11
Jo
It's not just as a kid. We don't know our ultimate end yet.
00:37:14
Medium Jenny Lea
No, we don't.
00:37:15
Jo
But that's beautiful advice. I think that's great advice for a lot of people, its especially today.
00:37:20
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah.
00:37:20
Jo
We mean you no harm.
00:37:21
Medium Jenny Lea
Especially, yeah especially even as grownups. It's OK to talk to people.
00:37:24
Jo
Yes. It's okay.
00:37:26
Medium Jenny Lea
We just had a reading that came through last Friday about that.
00:37:26
Jo
It really is.
00:37:29
Medium Jenny Lea
And it was this, it was the energy, the energies of the night were trying to let the people of Earth know that it, that we shouldn't feel so lonely all the time.
00:37:41
Medium Jenny Lea
And that it's okay to talk to other people, you know, on the bus or at the grocery store or whatever.
00:37:47
Jo
Right.
00:37:47
Medium Jenny Lea
It was really beautiful. Yeah.
00:37:49
Jo
that that And that's a wonderful thing. That really is. That makes us value connection. And maybe as an empath, as a medium, in an adult life, you value those connections even more.
00:38:04
Jo
Okay.
00:38:05
Medium Jenny Lea
Yes.
00:38:08
Jo
Where can we find you? Speaking of connections, where can we find you online? You get your Twitch?
00:38:12
Medium Jenny Lea
I mediumjennylee.com, which the Lee is spelled L-E-A and not L-E-E.
00:38:13
Jo
Right.
00:38:19
Medium Jenny Lea
So that is the hub of all the things and all the places that you can find.
00:38:23
Jo
Cool.
00:38:23
Medium Jenny Lea
i do private readings. And there's a link on there to my Twitch page. So Twitch, I usually stream on Thursdays and Fridays, Friday nights or reading nights.
00:38:34
Medium Jenny Lea
Witching Hours podcast, we stream on Twitch. We stream to the spiritrealmnetwork.net and their Facebook page. We do that on Mondays. from 8 to 9 30 p.m eastern standard time and there's a website for that too and you can also find us on facebook and instagram and tiktok and all of those wonderful internet places yeah yeah
00:38:53
Jo
All the ones that come up. Yep. Absolutely. So medium, Jenny Lee, L-E-A. And Jenny is J-E-N-Y.
00:39:03
Medium Jenny Lea
yes j-e-n-n-y-l-e-a yep dot com
00:39:05
Jo
Nice. Dot com. Awesome. Well, Jenny, it's been a pleasure talking to you. I hope you come back. We've got a lot to talk about later on.
00:39:15
Medium Jenny Lea
Yeah, if you want to have me back, I'll be glad to come on.
00:39:16
Jo
It's been a lot of fun. and Anytime, anytime. For for right now, by myself, Joe, and Jenny, we bid you, as Paul Harvey would say, I'm working on this one, good day.
00:39:27
Jo
I don't have it yet. Bye, everyone.