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Dr. Ewelina Kurtys on Living Neuron Computers | What’s Kraken Interview
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What if the future of AI wasn’t built on silicon — but on living neurons? 🧠💻
Jo sits down with Dr. Ewelina Kurtys from Final Spark, a Swiss startup pioneering the world’s first biohybrid computers. They dive into how neurons are sourced from human skin cells, why these living computers could be a million times more energy-efficient than current AI, and how philosophy is being brought in early to tackle ethical questions. From replacing faulty “neuro-parts” to the 10-year vision for bioservers, this is cutting-edge tech you’ve never heard of.
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Key Moments:
- Opening riff — Jo’s excitement meeting Dr. Kurtys
- What exactly is a living neuron computer?
- Sourcing neurons ethically from human skin cells
- How neurons “learn” and interact with hardware
- The 10-year vision for large-scale bioservers
- Bringing philosophers in early to address consciousness and ethics
- Replacing faulty neuron clusters — no “neuro dementia” risk
- Why biohybrid computing could solve AI’s massive energy problem
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Transcript
Intro
00:00:08
Jo
Everyone today with what's cracking. I get to speak with someone I've been looking at for a while now, none other than Dr. Elena Curtis, Dr. Curtis. How are you?
00:00:20
Ewelina Kurtys
I'm good. Thank you. I hope you too.
00:00:22
Jo
Oh, I'm doing great. I'm doing great. And I know we're talking about final spark. What is final spark?
00:00:30
Ewelina Kurtys
Final Spark is a startup, which is building computers from living neurons. So we have prototypes now, and but the objective is to be living computer from living neurons.
00:00:40
Jo
Okay, so living computer. So this is actually a bio hybrid computer and not like a brain interface, right?
00:00:48
Ewelina Kurtys
No, and this is a real computer, and which will be at the heart, which will have living neurons. But ah ah there is no interface special, you know, for ah ah with the brain.
00:00:58
Jo
Interesting. So you're talking about living neurons, where do those neurons come from then?
00:01:02
Ewelina Kurtys
So this is a good question everyone is asking. and So neurons are ah ah derived from human skin.
00:01:05
Jo
Thank you.
00:01:08
Ewelina Kurtys
You can buy induced pluripotent stem cells, which are from human skin.
00:01:11
Jo
OK.
00:01:12
Ewelina Kurtys
and They are commercially available.
00:01:13
Jo
Right.
00:01:14
Ewelina Kurtys
And from the stem cells, you can create any type of cells you want, including neurons.
00:01:19
Jo
and Including neurons. Now, how does your neuron interface with the hardware?
00:01:23
Ewelina Kurtys
So we put neurons on the electrodes. So we basically form such a round structure, which is called Neurosphere. And it consists of around 10,000 neurons and is' around half millimeter diameter. but We put such a bulb of and new neurons on the electrodes, and usually on the eight electrodes.
00:01:40
Jo
Right.
00:01:42
Ewelina Kurtys
And this is said to enable to send them electrical signals and also to receive electrical signals from neurons.
00:01:49
Jo
That's very interesting. Now, what got you into thinking this direction?
00:01:54
Ewelina Kurtys
ah ah So the founders of FinalSpark, Fred Jordan and Martin Kutter, they have PhD in signal processing and they've done a lot of stuff in ah artificial AI.
00:02:04
Ewelina Kurtys
And they started FinalSpark as a second project after ah another another successful startup.
00:02:05
Jo
Right.
00:02:10
Ewelina Kurtys
and And they wanted to build thinking machine. that was That is a dream of many engineers to make a thinking machine.
00:02:17
Jo
What could go wrong?
00:02:18
Ewelina Kurtys
And they tried initially with the silicon hardware, of course, and with traditional methods.
00:02:23
Jo
Right. Right. Yeah.
00:02:24
Ewelina Kurtys
They did fundamental research in artificial intelligence. And the conclusion was that to make thinking machine, you need huge amount of energy. because digital AI uses huge, huge amount of energy.
00:02:37
Ewelina Kurtys
And this is actually confirmed today when we look at ah great success of AI such as ah ah chat GPT.
00:02:42
Jo
yeah
00:02:44
Ewelina Kurtys
The success is possible because of huge energy and spending, which were needed to build such a model also to run this.
00:02:44
Jo
yeah
00:02:53
Ewelina Kurtys
and So they realized that for a small startup, if they want to work on the true intelligence, they have to approach the problem differently. They have to find something else than digital. And they yeah realized that the best actually substrat to build intelligence could be neurons.
00:03:10
Ewelina Kurtys
because they are proven and when we look at our heads.
00:03:13
Jo
yeah
00:03:13
Ewelina Kurtys
Neurons are proven ah ah to process information, to and to be to build true intelligence, and also to use very little energy, because the neurons are one million times more energy efficient compared to digital hardware.
00:03:29
Jo
that That is amazing. And that's true because we we see the big AI people starting to build their own power plants now just to keep up with the demands.
00:03:35
Ewelina Kurtys
Yes, absolutely. but Yes, because AI needs a huge amount of energy today.
00:03:41
Jo
Right.
00:03:41
Ewelina Kurtys
So there are ah potentially two solutions for that, either alternative energy sources or alternative computing.
00:03:46
Jo
Right.
00:03:47
Ewelina Kurtys
And we are working on the second route.
00:03:49
Jo
On the second solution. So with AI, we saw a lot of ethical hand breaks put in or getting now put in, I should say. What is the guidance for your final spark then?
00:04:02
Ewelina Kurtys
So and this is new technology, so also questions are new and there will be for sure another new questions in the future which we cannot predict.
00:04:09
Jo
Right.
00:04:10
Ewelina Kurtys
So for now we get a lot of questions, for example, about consciousness. People are asking if these neurons can be conscious one day. We of course don't know. and Also there are questions about the the sources of neurons, which we already discussed, and that they are from human skin, we didn't have to kill anyone.
00:04:24
Jo
Right.
00:04:28
Ewelina Kurtys
And yes, the main questions about, yes, about it about ah ah actually consciousness.
00:04:30
Jo
You didn't have to.
00:04:33
Jo
couldn't.
00:04:35
Ewelina Kurtys
And these kind of discussions are also seen in the digital world. Some people also worry about a possible consciousness of digital hardware or ah ah robots in the future.
00:04:43
Jo
AI. Yeah.
00:04:45
Ewelina Kurtys
So these are important questions. And we, of course, we are scientists and engineers, so we are not really competent to answer these kind of questions. So this is why and we got in touch with the many philosophers who work on philosophy and ethics of technology, and we encourage them to work on this ah problem also of biocomputing.
00:05:00
Jo
Okay.
00:05:04
Ewelina Kurtys
And we actually found a group in the UK ah which which is planning to do a research project about this, about to specifically philosophical questions about this project, but it's not official yet because they they have not yet received funding, so I cannot disclose yet.
00:05:18
Jo
Right.
00:05:20
Ewelina Kurtys
But we are doing we are working hard on encouraging and finding philosophers who would like to work on this.
00:05:24
Jo
right.
00:05:26
Ewelina Kurtys
Of course, independently of us.
00:05:27
Jo
Well, that's a great plan, though. I mean, that's the great plan because you're doing it before you have to answer because ai did it afterwards.
00:05:34
Ewelina Kurtys
Absolutely.
00:05:36
Jo
Yeah.
00:05:36
Ewelina Kurtys
Yes, this is very important for us because we want that our work is, of course, accepted by the society and we want that all the questions are ah clarified.
00:05:41
Jo
Yeah.
00:05:46
Ewelina Kurtys
and so So this is why we put this effort.
00:05:49
Jo
So you're saying best. I'm not gonna you to this because the science is pretty new. The best guess is the neurons will not feel anything. They're just going to exist.
00:05:56
Ewelina Kurtys
Well, this is my personal opinion, I have to say, but I'm not philosopher, I'm a neuroscientist.
00:05:59
Jo
Right. Right. Right, right.
00:06:01
Ewelina Kurtys
i So, you know, I look at the world a bit the differently, and maybe, and i look at the facts, and the facts are that we actually cannot measure consciousness.
00:06:07
Jo
Yeah.
00:06:10
Ewelina Kurtys
So, you know, this is something very abstract. and This is why this is subject for philosophical research, not for me.
00:06:16
Jo
Right.
00:06:17
Ewelina Kurtys
So I personally don't think so because I think that our consciousness is connected also to our bodies. ah ah So what creates human and our ah mind mind is and not only just neurons.
00:06:26
Jo
this sensory input.
00:06:29
Ewelina Kurtys
But there are many opinions in philosophy also about which are in contrary. So we have to respect this.
00:06:36
Jo
Right.
00:06:37
Ewelina Kurtys
And we think that experts will be much better to answer this kind of questions than others.
00:06:41
Jo
Well, absolutely. And then, and for those who are listening at home, even what medical death is and medical life is, is debate. It's not clear cut.
00:06:52
Jo
It's a debate.
00:06:52
Ewelina Kurtys
Oh, yes, indeed. I had once a conversation with the medical doctor who told me that it's really difficult.
00:06:55
Jo
Yeah.
00:06:58
Ewelina Kurtys
And yes, there is a lot of effort actually to to measure ah medical medical death very, very precisely because, of course, it's a huge responsibility for the doctors.
00:06:58
Jo
Yeah.
00:07:02
Jo
Absolutely.
00:07:07
Ewelina Kurtys
Yes.
00:07:08
Jo
Absolutely.
00:07:08
Ewelina Kurtys
so
00:07:08
Jo
And so this is, again, kind of in the same realm of science. It's going to always be a debate. And I'm really glad you guys are bringing philosophers in because I think that's always an important step that I think AI missed at the beginning.
00:07:18
Ewelina Kurtys
Yes, we think they much better to answer.
00:07:21
Jo
And you guys are hitting.
00:07:21
Ewelina Kurtys
yes
00:07:22
Jo
So how do they learn? and How do the neurons learn? Because that I'm guessing, are you just using for energy?
00:07:26
Ewelina Kurtys
right Yes, absolutely. So we know ah by by looking at the human brain that neurons learn ah by changing you know connections between each other.
00:07:31
Jo
Right. Yeah. Yeah. Hmm.
00:07:34
Jo
yeah
00:07:35
Ewelina Kurtys
So basically, you know every day you have some experience, you have also feedback from the environment, and that's why this is how you learn.
00:07:42
Jo
yeah
00:07:43
Ewelina Kurtys
And we try to use the same principles in vitro. and So in the dish, when we have our neurons in the lab, and And this is actually a huge challenge. So we are still working on that. That our our milestone for the next two, three years is actually learning in vitro how to modify connections between neurons and in vitro.
00:08:07
Ewelina Kurtys
by using chemical or ah electrical stimulation, the same way how they are also stimulated in the brain, because in the brain, and neurons, said they ah ah process information through electrical signals and also chemical signals, and such as different neurotransmitters, for example, dopamine or serotonin.
00:08:17
Jo
Right.
00:08:24
Jo
Now, what is the ultimate goal of Final Spark? What's the current endgame of it?
00:08:30
Ewelina Kurtys
So ultimate goal is, ah ah of course, a general computing device.
00:08:35
Jo
Okay.
00:08:35
Ewelina Kurtys
So this will be alternative, alternative and but not total replacement for a digital computers, but ah it will be additional ah ah additional computing power for some tasks, we believe, like, ah for example, generative AI and would be appropriate task for living neurons.
00:08:43
Jo
Right.
00:08:51
Jo
Right. Really?
00:08:54
Ewelina Kurtys
So we want to build bioservers. So this will be a central and central ah ah biocomputers, which will be available remotely for computation the same way but as today and we can connect with cloud computing.
00:09:10
Ewelina Kurtys
So this is what we have in mind.
00:09:11
Jo
really
00:09:11
Ewelina Kurtys
This is our vision. And today, our laboratory is also available remotely for fundamental research on biocomputing. So also, scientists from all over the world can connect just using an internet browser, and they can do experiments.
00:09:27
Ewelina Kurtys
They can send signals to neurons and collect information, collect data from neurons.
00:09:32
Jo
Really?
00:09:33
Ewelina Kurtys
Yes?
00:09:34
Jo
but How does one get in this list? I mean, it can't be open to everyone. It's open to a certain select.
00:09:38
Ewelina Kurtys
Oh, no. Absolutely. No, because actually we are a small team and at this stage ah ah it's still
00:09:44
Jo
Yeah.
00:09:44
Ewelina Kurtys
it's it ah It's a lot of work to keep to keep the lab going.
00:09:47
Jo
Yeah, I bet.
00:09:49
Ewelina Kurtys
So we have collaborators. ah We started by inviting universities.
00:09:51
Jo
To mention.
00:09:53
Ewelina Kurtys
We've selected ah nine nine universities and from all over the world who had a free access. and We only want that if they publish ah ah that they mention final spark, that's all.
00:10:05
Jo
mention
00:10:06
Ewelina Kurtys
and we have selected these projects ah as the most promising projects which we received. and So this has free access, which is of course very limited, and we also have first commercial clients. We are very happy about this because but people started to write to us, they started to ask us for access to the lab, and currently ah you can rent access and We have two subscription type a for access and and ah and we have a first paying clients.
00:10:30
Jo
Okay.
00:10:35
Ewelina Kurtys
We are very proud of this. Yes.
00:10:38
Jo
That's that's amazing thing. So how long how long ago would final spark start? Like how long?
00:10:42
Ewelina Kurtys
Well, actually, it's a long story because Final Spark was founded already in 2014.
00:10:48
Jo
Okay.
00:10:48
Ewelina Kurtys
But i said as I said, they started with fundamental research in artificial intelligence, which was done on digital computers.
00:10:52
Jo
Right.
00:10:55
Ewelina Kurtys
And then around 2019, they shifted to leaving computers to neurons. And then first, they actually had to learn the basics, how to run the lab, how to actually work with neurons in vitro.
00:11:05
Jo
Right.
00:11:07
Ewelina Kurtys
because ah was totally new for them. And then after establishing the lab, they started to do experiments and try to...
00:11:14
Jo
Excellent.
00:11:15
Ewelina Kurtys
bed
00:11:15
Jo
And when did you come on? When did you come to SpinalSpark?
00:11:19
Ewelina Kurtys
Well, I think around five years ago, I met founders at the conference in London, and I was very fascinated that they and went to this difficult field because biology is very difficult.
00:11:31
Ewelina Kurtys
I think it's much easier to build something with the software or hardware.
00:11:31
Jo
Right.
00:11:36
Jo
Yeah.
00:11:36
Ewelina Kurtys
It's much easier. It's very easy. easy to make a product and much less risk. And I was very impressed that they were so brave to go to biology because it's really frustrating and difficult. I did my research in neuroscience.
00:11:48
Ewelina Kurtys
I know that it's mostly things are failing and you know, you sometimes have some good results, but it's very rare.
00:11:48
Jo
Yeah.
00:11:55
Ewelina Kurtys
and So most of the time it's full of failures and a lot of struggles when you work with biological living tissue because things are not always working as expected.
00:11:58
Jo
Yeah.
00:12:05
Ewelina Kurtys
and So I was very impressed by this and I thought it's a really great project because it combines ah ah neuroscience and engineering. I did ah and and all my academic research in neuroscience after I shifted ah to to engineering on the commercial side.
00:12:16
Jo
right
00:12:19
Ewelina Kurtys
So I thought it's perfect combination for me.
00:12:22
Jo
that That's wonderful. So what brought you to neuroscience growing up?
00:12:25
Ewelina Kurtys
well i was ah Well, first of all, I always always wanted to be a scientist. Since I heard that there is such a possibility of doing a PhD, I always knew I wanted to do this.
00:12:30
Jo
Right.
00:12:35
Jo
Nice.
00:12:35
Ewelina Kurtys
and So I was always fascinated with the lab. you know It was said like a play ah ah for children.
00:12:41
Jo
Yeah.
00:12:41
Ewelina Kurtys
you know It's like you would have so many toys to play. So I really enjoyed that and because in the lab you have a lot of stuff, a lot of equipment.
00:12:44
Jo
That's cool.
00:12:48
Ewelina Kurtys
You know you can play lot. and you can play a lot it was... said A lot of fun for me. And I always thought, well, first I wanted to be a scientist. After, ah during my studies, I realized that from all the medical topics, because I studied pharmacy and biotechnology, so I was more on the medical side, I realized that brain is the most interesting part to study for me.
00:13:02
Jo
yeah
00:13:09
Ewelina Kurtys
So then this is why I i yeah decided to go to neuroscience for my PhD.
00:13:14
Jo
but That's fascinating. When you start as a child and seeing things, when you look back, are you like, I'm so glad I went this way?
00:13:24
Ewelina Kurtys
Yes, yes, I don't regret anything, absolutely.
00:13:26
Jo
Yeah.
00:13:27
Ewelina Kurtys
I think it's a great. And anyway, you know, at the end, you change always always ah and the topics because, of course, you know, when I was and a young and I was choosing the subject of my studies, of master studies, for example, I i thought it's so important and I was ah ah i thought it's ah ah it will ah ah define my life, but actually it's completely not and because after you can do and many other things.
00:13:33
Jo
Right. Right.
00:13:40
Jo
right
00:13:46
Jo
right
00:13:50
Ewelina Kurtys
So actually... The studies is only just ah ah ah ah to maybe socialize with other students just to get some basics, ah ah but later in life you can do what you want.
00:14:00
Jo
I think that sums up my academics as well.
00:14:00
Ewelina Kurtys
Anyway, so...
00:14:04
Jo
Yeah.
00:14:05
Ewelina Kurtys
Yes.
00:14:05
Jo
You always start this way. You always think it's the most serious thing in the world. and you're like, oh, no, that's just a rocket ship part.
00:14:10
Ewelina Kurtys
Yeah, actually it doesn't matter if you studied pharmacy or chemistry or something else, it doesn't matter so much because later anyway in life you can change a lot
00:14:11
Jo
That's a booster rocket. Yeah.
00:14:19
Jo
Absolutely. And you changed into someone working for FinalSpark.
00:14:23
Ewelina Kurtys
Yes.
00:14:23
Jo
Now for neuro computing, where do you think the future five years from now, how how quick is your timeline? Do you know?
00:14:32
Ewelina Kurtys
Well, and we expect this is very long term project. So it's not easy.
00:14:36
Jo
Right.
00:14:37
Ewelina Kurtys
It's like a quantum computing, you know, it takes many, many years because hardware is totally different.
00:14:41
Jo
Yeah.
00:14:42
Ewelina Kurtys
and So also the way of coding will be totally different. and You know, we need totally different approach. and it takes time. So yeah we expect that we can build our bioservers in 10 years.
00:14:55
Ewelina Kurtys
and We are currently talking to investors. We are raising 50 million Swiss francs. And the with this money, we can accelerate. So this would allow us to probably build bioserver in 10 years.
00:15:10
Ewelina Kurtys
It's really a lot of work. Mainly you need, of course, human ah humans to work on that, who are very qualified, who can combine and neuroscience and engineering. and So it this is ah this is mainly needed for the project.
00:15:19
Jo
Yeah.
00:15:24
Ewelina Kurtys
So we expect in five years, we hope there will be huge progress. So we hope we can run a basic algorithm. We will later work on scaling also to make bigger structures of neurons because actually the lab, we are not so much limited.
00:15:34
Jo
yeah
00:15:38
Ewelina Kurtys
The structure of neurons can have even 100 meters, you know, can be something very, very big. Of course, we will have to work some engineering around this, and how to keep a neurons alive. and But we hope to build huge structures of neurons.
00:15:52
Ewelina Kurtys
But the computer, we expect to be ready bioserver in around 10 years.
00:15:58
Jo
That's a pretty good timeline, honestly, but especially since it starts out as an AI, like in the early, the mid 2000s, the 10s, you know, the 10s, 15s.
00:16:07
Ewelina Kurtys
Yes.
00:16:09
Jo
And then it doesn't start actually as final spark until 2019. That's a relatively quick time in science to get there.
00:16:17
Ewelina Kurtys
Well, we but it's also engineering because actually this project is more, i would say, and it's still more engineering approach because we don't try to understand how neurons work.
00:16:20
Jo
Yeah.
00:16:24
Jo
Okay. Okay.
00:16:26
Ewelina Kurtys
We don't try to really answer scientific questions. We just want to make it work. So this is a little bit different approach, very pragmatic.
00:16:31
Jo
You make work?
00:16:35
Ewelina Kurtys
So maybe that's why we are hoping and that it will take only 10 years. And of course, it will be huge revolution.
00:16:39
Jo
No, that's good.
00:16:41
Ewelina Kurtys
and So we think that it will be very profitable profitable because so neurons will be very, very competitive compared to digital hardware and because they're one million times energy efficient.
00:16:53
Jo
Great. And now, because there's a biological aspect of this, are you worried that there's any type of disease that can affect... Like, it would be for a human body. I know neurons are not exactly...
00:17:08
Ewelina Kurtys
No, I wouldn't say so. I think and well, currently we have such a setup in the lab and that ah ah if neurons die or they the could be ah ah sick, like maybe with some contamination with bacteria, we can exchange them quite quickly.
00:17:22
Jo
Right. Okay.
00:17:25
Ewelina Kurtys
So we don't expect this to be the biggest problem. But of course, it's fragile tissue. and if something bad happens, you have to exchange everything. Yes.
00:17:34
Jo
Yeah. So I was thinking like the the the worst case scenario would be a super well neuro computer with dementia.
00:17:42
Ewelina Kurtys
yeah
00:17:42
Jo
Like, oh no.
00:17:43
Ewelina Kurtys
Yes, it's possible.
00:17:44
Jo
So you can just exchange any faulty parts in and they wouldn't really have the brain like that.
00:17:48
Ewelina Kurtys
Yes, but then I think that if we will be able to build biocomputer, then then ah this will be easy problem to solve because if one computer will die, we can easily build another one.
00:17:59
Jo
Replace with another.
00:18:00
Ewelina Kurtys
So the most big ah the biggest challenge is to be able to build biocomputer to make it work.
00:18:05
Jo
Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely.
00:18:07
Ewelina Kurtys
stroke
00:18:09
Jo
Now, where you are at, I'm not going to ask the direct locations on that, but are there any governmental regulations or pushbacks you're seeing?
00:18:18
Ewelina Kurtys
No, at the moment not because it's so new. There are only three companies to our knowledge. There are only three companies in the world globally.
00:18:24
Jo
Right.
00:18:25
Ewelina Kurtys
One in US, one in Australia, and us in Switzerland.
00:18:28
Jo
Yeah.
00:18:29
Ewelina Kurtys
So and it's too early. And also at this stage, it's really hard ah to find something to regulate because we do and similar research like ah ah biomedical.
00:18:39
Ewelina Kurtys
know, there are living neurons used in labs in all over the world.
00:18:43
Jo
Yep.
00:18:43
Ewelina Kurtys
and So there is nothing actually so special at this moment. and
00:18:47
Jo
That's wonderful.
00:18:49
Ewelina Kurtys
find But we are of course working with philosophers about future questions. So we want to be prepared for ah ah possible and regulations if that will be needed.
00:18:59
Jo
Right. and And that's the that's a thing. like A lot of people get, we'll say, country-specific and issue-specific without actually realizing what the issue is in reality.
00:19:10
Jo
they'll They'll hear something like neurocomputing and then they'll think we're creating a brand new living being. Not.
00:19:18
Ewelina Kurtys
Not really being.
00:19:18
Jo
Yeah. Right.
00:19:19
Ewelina Kurtys
We just want to use ah neurons which are building blocks of brains.
00:19:20
Jo
Yeah.
00:19:22
Jo
Right.
00:19:23
Ewelina Kurtys
So we absolutely don't want to reproduce the living brains.
00:19:24
Jo
yeah
00:19:26
Ewelina Kurtys
and We don't want to use the same building blocks ah ah because neurons are energy efficient.
00:19:27
Jo
right
00:19:31
Ewelina Kurtys
That's all.
00:19:31
Jo
And absolutely.
00:19:31
Ewelina Kurtys
We don't want to be.
00:19:32
Jo
And I think when most people start realizing that a lot of the ethical questions fall away naturally.
00:19:39
Ewelina Kurtys
Absolutely. Absolutely.
00:19:40
Jo
Yeah. And I look forward to this. I, I love medicine, medicine. I bio meds, my jam. So I was so so happy to see this. Like, Oh yeah, I can't wait to talk about this. i asked this of all my guests and i'm ask of you.
00:19:59
Jo
If you can give younger you advice, I'm talking like childhood you, what would it be?
00:20:06
Ewelina Kurtys
oh to have less doubts because, say you know, when I was younger, I always was hesitating and I was afraid that maybe I'm not right, but I think it was not necessary.
00:20:11
Jo
no
00:20:16
Ewelina Kurtys
So I think to have less doubts and be more sure about what you're doing and don't to worry so much because I worry it too much, definitely.
00:20:25
Jo
Absolutely. But that's a, that's a great way of saying it because you are doing cutting edge science right now. i mean, cutting cutting, cutting, cutting edge. And i think you're doing younger. You proud. i really do.
00:20:37
Jo
Good job.
00:20:38
Ewelina Kurtys
Yes, yes, I think I'm doing what I've always wanted to do, so I'm very happy with that.
00:20:38
Jo
Where can we find? Yeah.
00:20:43
Jo
That's all I can ever ask for, right? Where can we find spinal, final spark? Where can we find it online? Socials? Where can we follow your progress?
00:20:52
Ewelina Kurtys
What will follow my progress? What do you mean?
00:20:53
Jo
Yeah. what where Where can we find final spark to follow your progress?
00:20:57
Ewelina Kurtys
Oh, absolutely.
00:20:58
Jo
Yeah.
00:20:58
Ewelina Kurtys
There are many ways. So finalspark.com, the website, that's a great resource.
00:21:02
Jo
Excellent.
00:21:04
Ewelina Kurtys
We have also Discord. Discord is maybe the most active platform. You can find a link to this Discord on our website.
00:21:10
Jo
Really?
00:21:13
Ewelina Kurtys
and We have also LinkedIn page and sometimes we post ah post on X.
00:21:13
Jo
okay
00:21:19
Ewelina Kurtys
But I think Discord is the most active.
00:21:23
Jo
Excellent, brilliant.
00:21:23
Ewelina Kurtys
And then of course, also newsletter.
00:21:25
Jo
Well, there we go.
00:21:26
Ewelina Kurtys
So newsletter also, in there is a link on our website.
00:21:30
Jo
Really?
00:21:31
Ewelina Kurtys
And there are also forms someone is interested as a researcher, for example, we encourage people to write to us. We are happy to share material materials to everyone to who wants to understand and a bit better and what is biocomputing.
00:21:46
Jo
i might have dust off my PhD and do that. Absolutely. Finalspark.com. And I want to say thank you so much, dr Curtis, for coming out and talking about it.
00:21:55
Ewelina Kurtys
Thank you so much.
00:21:58
Ewelina Kurtys
Thank you. Bye-bye.
00:21:58
Jo
Goodbye, everyone.