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Lee : Five.
Jo: So yeah, that's why I call my dick Han Solo, because it shoots first.
Lee : Oh,
Jo: Hey, hey, everyone. <unk>re We're live with Lee Hatfield.
Lee : my.
Jo: He was telling me why he had a priapism. Oh, wait, what?
Lee : I was not.
Jo: Welcome to What's Kraken, as we're going to have Kraken today. Now, welcome to What's Kraken, special guest, Lee Hatfield. If you might know him of, formerly of,
Jo: the paranormal podcast, which is now the paranormal prism. Yes.
Jo: I just do a complete shit introduction for you.
Lee : Yes,
Jo: pretty sure. But.
Lee : you did. it was it was It was abysmal.
Jo: Well, I didn't know how much I could say out loud. I mean, I don't know how much i can say out loud.
Lee : Now you can say all out you can say it all out loud.
Jo: Yeah, but I didn't know. what i didn't know how much I had to I could say versus how much, you know, to hold back on that one. So.
Lee : So why didn't you ask me that before you started recording?
Jo: Fuck that. I want to get my Han Solo joke out. We're talking about prisms and stuff now. But it's just happy to.
Lee : Can't get the stuff.
Jo: I know. good It is nice to see you. And i will talk about the rebrand. I think it's interesting.
Lee : OK.
Jo: And just kind of like, this is what? You're past one year podcasting right now, aren't you? Is this one year?
Lee : No, it's 18 months.
Jo: Close. Oh, shit. Really?
Lee : Yeah, I started in February 2025, and it's now July 2026. 18 months-ish. and it's now july two thousand and twenty six
Jo: July 2026.
Lee : so like eighteen months ish
Jo: And you're still doing weekly? I'm curious. Are you still doing weekly?
Lee : Yes. Yeah, yeah, still doing one a week.
Jo: Minor weekly too. Very weak.
Lee : i've I've noticed.
Jo: So you're still doing one a week. What is change then? What is change? What's the major change? What's the shift? What's the prisming?
Lee : So basically because I got some opportunities available and I basically thought myself that I'm only one person. I've only got one pair of hands. I can only do so much.
Lee : So I'm taking a step back from SIPA, Scientific Investigation of Paranormal Activity.
Jo: Right.
Lee : by what What I mean by that is that I'm dropping off as a as the co-lead. I still might go out with them occasionally, but it will be as a normal investigator. And because I've got these other opportunities coming up, I decided to rebrand the podcast. So it was Paranormal Chronicles.
Lee : It's now the Paranormal Prison. But incorporating that, I've also started another podcast that is being monthly right now, where there's Andy Booth from Alienate UK, there's Tommy Cullum from the Let's Get Freaky podcast, and there's myself under the rebrand of the Paranormal Prism.
Jo: Cool. Nice.
Lee : And we are doing a podcast called Paranormal Summit or Other, which you can break down to something or other like. So it could be a bit of this, could be a bit of that.
Lee : and it's And it's basically going to be a review show of all the guests that we've had the previous month. So it's going to be monthly.
Jo: nice
Lee : And then we're going to talk about all our previous guests. And we're going to, if anything's in the in the news and the spotlight with regard to the paranormal, you know, perhaps a Gimli movie, at movie yeah all UFOs, then we're going to be talking about all that kind of stuff as well.
Jo: Right. That's very cool. So how did you get to meet them and why that podcast? like How did that come about? I'm curious.
Lee : So i stumbled across Tommy, not literally, because he's in the UK.
Jo: He was lying down.
Lee : Yes, he was. And I fell over him. I stumbled across him on another podcast, thought he'd got a really fabulous energy, reached out to him, and he was happy to come on as a guest.
Lee : So me and Tommy became friends and then I knew that he was he's friends with a lot of people. But one of the guys that I wanted to speak to was Andy Booth, who does Alienate UK.
Lee : And we created a WhatsApp chat together, and it's just full of banter.
Jo: Okay.
Lee : And then we decided that we would create a second podcast called Paranormal Summit or Other. And basically talk about previous guests and all that kind of stuff. So yeah we launched our premiere episode on Monday and it's just two hours of us shooting the shit with each other and giving each other crap.
Lee : All got England shirts on because it was before the Mexico game. And yeah, we're just having copious amount of banter and teasing each other.
Jo: Disgrace.
Jo: Well, that sounds amazing, man. And that's what is the generosity of maybe not so much a podcast world, the generosity of the paranormal world. And I think we had this conversation before when there was an ice storm.
Jo: was like Where do we meet? it was like, not Kingston. It was but Cornwall.
Lee : What you and I?
Jo: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, not originally, but for that podcast talk, it was that one restaurant, but it was like not quite midway.
Lee : oh
Jo: Was it? Oxbury.
Lee : Oh, yeah, it was it was something you'd it was winter, somewhere down your neck of the woods.
Jo: Yeah. Yeah, it was like an ice storm that day, like my car is like, covered yeah.
Lee : It was it?
Lee : Yes, there was. Yeah, complete ice storm. Yeah.
Jo: Yeah. And then we're stuck. That was a while ago. The head be like, yeah, you went, here like two years.
Lee : Yeah, so that
Jo: ago
Lee : So yeah, so that that would have to have been probably between Christmas and New Year of 2024.
Jo: Oh, already.
Lee : Because I'd been on a podcast hosted by somebody else, and it was absolute caca.
Jo: Right.
Lee : And I...
Jo: That was mine, too. He's he's like, you know, Lee doesn't hold back.
Lee : It was yes. Yeah.
Jo: He's like, that was on your show, dude. It's just shit.
Lee : Yeah. And I literally decided that if I was going to do something like this, I could do it bigger and better.
Jo: Yeah.
Lee : Hence why you and i had that lunch date.
Jo: Yeah.
Lee : You because you've been I knew that you were doing podcasts already. And then I threw some ideas out and then you've helped me immensely ever since.
Jo: Oh, I was fishing for that one. Kidding. No, that's what I was going through the lineage because I remember during that time, think I said something along the lines of like the paranormal people, the community, like the paranormal family, we want to call them.
Jo: If you're good, There are so many good people that like they'll do anything for you.
Lee : Yeah.
Jo: there's There's a few rottens, of course, are always a few rotten people. But this community is so loving and so caring, mostly because if you give people an honest to God shake, this is what T&E channel does.
Jo: If you listen to them and let them tell their story, you can be skeptical. but they will open up and they will love you forever. and And that's what i'm saying. Like you now have a new podcast based upon just basically being you and being able to talk to people and listening to them and like encouragement, you know, goes both ways.
Jo: And that's a whole new branch. When you first started out, did you think you're going two podcasts, like completely different ones?
Lee : Absolutely not.
Jo: No.
Lee : Absolutely not.
Jo: Okay.
Lee : But even like at the weekend, Andy did two 12-hour podcasts, well, live podcasts over the weekend.
Lee : And he was getting different guests on throughout the day.
Jo: Right.
Lee : And just by me popping on there for a couple of hours each day, because yeah some people have lives and some people don't, I've now got two of the two new guests for the podcast because of people that i was talking to on his podcast.
Jo: amazing and That's good.
Lee : And we have started like swapping guests as well now.
Jo: That's good.
Jo: Yeah, it's it is a nice little family vibe. And if it's also kind of a small community, it's really amazingly small community, too. So if you do well on one show and you're a good hoes, people pass like that word around.
Jo: It's like wildfire that way. So one of the things I suggested that you ignored, you ignored. young man was, okay, do a schedule, for God's sakes, bi-weekly.
Jo: And you're like, oh, you started bi-weekly for a while. I'm like, oh, I can do weekly. I'm like, are you sure? Because that's like 52 episodes if you don't take any breaks, man.
Lee : OK. This is the reason why i ignored what you said.
Jo: Yeah. Because was me. Yeah.
Lee : At the time when I started bi-weekly, I was terrified of not having any guests.
Jo: Yeah. Very
Lee : I was starting out and people go, okay, new podcast. yeah And either it either succeeds or it doesn't. Within a few months, I had at least three months worth of guests.
Lee : So I took the plunge to go weekly, much against your better judgment. And it's exploded.
Jo: Yeah, it worked out.
Lee : on Yeah. And like even even now, with all the people that I've got coming up in the next two weeks, I've got enough episodes to last me until the 4th of September.
Jo: Oh, that's a special date. That's a great date. You should mark that date on your calendar, everyone. I won't tell you why, though, but that's a good date.
Lee : Is it your birthday?
Jo: Today? well happy birthday.
Lee : No, is it your birthday on the 4th of September?
Jo: Is it? Oh, I don't know. I mean, how would I know I was born? I had to take my mom's word for that.
Lee : Good point.
Jo: You know, do you remember when you're born? No.
Lee : Yes, I was there.
Jo: You were there? at Well, maybe i was there too. But I don't have a memory of it.
Lee : i would help you i would hope was there. yeah you might not remember it, but I'm pretty sure you were there.
Jo: Wow, you know.
Lee : and I don't think you were created in a bottle, to be fair. Well, but i have no I have known you for a few years, so you probably have but you probably were created in a bottle in a science lab.
Jo: Well, that would explain.
Jo: Yeah. I want in bottle and turn into another bottle. So and and that's one of those things about the advice was like, well, my I said that just to Sweden burnout, like, you know, you're starting a new project.
Jo: Don't burn out Don't burn out. You know, sometimes lack of guests will happen and some of that. And you just took to a mic and I'm so proud to see you doing weekly and weekly and weekly. You know, that's this that is pretty damn good.
Lee : yeah i And I took on board what you said about not burning out. But what I found out that I can do, I can have six guests in a two week period, for example, space them out, and then I don't have to have any for two or three weeks.
Jo: Yeah. Right. it.
Jo: right
Lee : Even a month. So that way I'm not burning myself out.
Jo: you just chain it
Lee : i can create I can create the schedule so that, like i say, I've got enough now to last me till September. I don't literally have to do any more, tap for any more guests until the middle of August and rolling in the middle of July now.
Jo: Yeah, no, that's that is pretty cool. and you are getting yours organically, more or less, right? Are you you're cold pitching people? You're people meeting people at the conventions and just saying, hey my name is.
Lee : Well, yeah, I went to a small convention in Ottawa the weekend and came away with two extra appointments, two podcast episodes.
Jo: Cool.
Jo: That's very cool. When you're doing this, what's your pitch like? Hey, this is my podcast. this is like We're going to talk about paranormal.
Lee : Yeah, well, basically, i introduce myself, I tell them who I am. And at the time, it was Super Paranormal Chronicles.
Jo: Right.
Lee : And basically, yeah, I host this podcast, I release it weekly. Yeah. And I basically go provide them all the information. And they some people call it a one sheet.
Jo: Yeah.
Lee : where you tell people who you are, what you do, what you're providing, how often the episode's coming out, and then you provide your social media. Do that kind of thing.
Lee : And the amount of people that go, oh, yes, there's all the information. Great. when can a book get yeah When can I come on your show?
Jo: and you're using yes I think you're still using TidyCal for that too?
Lee : Yes, so once I've made that initial con once i've made that initial con contact, I say, yeah, yeah literally, it says to show you how organized I am or what's that effect, I do have a scheduling app that I can send you and people go,
Jo: Even though they can be in ass?
Jo: Yeah.
Lee : People go, great, can you send me it? which Which I do. And then you know i mean i even get appointments come to me that I forgot I've sent.
Lee : Because it can be like two or three months down the road and like, ping, you have got another booking from
Jo: Yeah.
Jo: Yeah, like a reminder of. And then sometimes I learn about the Tidy Cal. Someone just sent me an email. said It does the auto. I don't know how to set this off. I should have set this off maybe.
Jo: It will write the guest and say, you're great on the show. Want to come back later? and I had a guest saying yes. I'm like, well, yeah, you're always welcome back. I'm like, shit, I didn't realize that was on. like Now I have to like Look into that.
Jo: Did anyone like ever like do that to you where they kind of invite themselves back through tiny cow.
Lee : I don't think...
Lee : I've had two people. I've had two... knots Well, they've already got the TidyCal link. I don't know if it's through TidyCal.
Jo: Right.
Lee : I've not really noticed.
Jo: Oh, right.
Lee : But I've had one person who... She's coming back in August, funnily enough. That'll be her third time. But she's she's pushing out books like there's...
Lee : like
Jo: Nice.
Lee : There's a shortage. And yeah, she loves talking about books. She's a great author. And she's absolutely a diamond to work with. So yeah, can I come back on?
Jo: Who is it?
Lee : It is Sin Schrader Hill.
Jo: And why don't I not have this person? I hope I didn't. My podcast, sir.
Lee : Probably because you haven't asked me.
Jo: Oh, well. Sure. Likely story. No, it sounds interesting. It honestly does sound interesting. And that's that's one thing. they They become evergreen because you can always talk about the paranormal, but they have a new book coming out.
Jo: And if they're allowing themselves to book them, at one point, guests are booking themselves in your show. How cool is that?
Lee : Yeah.
Jo: You don't have to look for people.
Lee : and
Jo: like They're booking themselves.
Lee : Yeah. And I've had another guy who's a mutual friend of ours who you put me in touch with first. And he messaged me and said, I've got a spare few weeks.
Lee : Has he got any vacancies on your show? Can I come on?
Jo: Cool.
Lee : Absolutely. Absolutely.
Jo: Very cool. Yeah, and that's the power of it. Now, going to play devil's advocate. Who is the wise man that once said, make it easy for them to sign up and they will come.
Jo: If you're going back and forth, the email train gets lost. Make it easy.
Lee : pretty I'm pretty sure it's some guy from England.
Jo: He was in England, yes. I think I was at the time. Maybe even in England. No, but...
Lee : So what you want me to what you want me to say, Joe, it was it was you, Joe. It was you that did it.
Jo: It was me or Pazuzu from The Exorcist.
Lee : hamut how much more How much more kudos do you want?
Lee : I'm not even going to go there.
Jo: That's me or Pazuzu. but that's But that's exactly it So you're having all these things fall into place. And we had this conversation about doing a live podcast. You were you want the live one, right? How does that differ from what you do here?
Lee : Well, funnily enough, the person that was hosting the live, and I quote, the reason why I don't pre-record is because I can't be arsed to edit.
Jo: Spoiler alert. Neither it can Joe.
Lee : Yeah, and and that's basically it. I do mine pre-recorded because I have a schedule that I plan people and when they're going to get released.
Jo: Yeah.
Lee : but most of us are live and you haven't got all that BS of doing your post-production because boom, it's there.
Jo: Yeah.
Lee : Now the only thing, on.
Jo: Yeah. Go for it
Lee : Yeah.
Jo: No.
Lee : The only bad thing about that is like, yeah, if you get a storm, you get a power outage, you're done.
Jo: Absolutely. And I was about to warn you today that it's been like thunderstorms over by me. So if our power goes out, you know it's one of those things. But you're right. If it's live or if they cock up, you can't edit it out.
Jo: And was like, oh, I can't say that.
Lee : Yeah.
Jo: You're like, oh, you just did. and know So are you going towards for your paranormal prism? Do you want to do live shows?
Lee : Now, I don't think I do.
Jo: Or people?
Lee : Because, like you say, something can go wrong.
Jo: Right. Right.
Lee : Like, for example, i was booked to have somebody at the weekend. that they haven't got very good internet connection and they get the change in the provider.
Lee : And it it there was a lag or it was freezing. So I went, Okay, don't worry. But and she's been on before. It's like, Okay, well, let's just stop. And then come back on in two weeks when you've got when you're suited.
Lee : Oh, okay.
Jo: Exactly. And you can't do that live because then it looks like the gas is flaking on you or something.
Lee : Correct.
Jo: And it's just bad feelings. that They feel bad. You feel bad for them and stuff like that.
Lee : Yeah. And not I've actually been on a couple of podcasts in the last, well, this year, where I've been following like podcast pages and people come on and go is there anybody free tonight because my guests have just dropped out?
Lee : And I've done that twice now where I've actually popped onto to but other people's podcasts at short notice because I'm available.
Jo: Really?
Jo: That is kind of cool. Okay, man. Good for you. And this is going to get me to my next question. as i was I was thinking about all the things that we used to talk about. and we sometimes i still have a I have a book for you, by the way. have a book about astral travel.
Lee : Oh.
Jo: yeah And what was the, not so much the weirdest, not so much unbelievable, what was the most intense story you've heard on your podcast?
Lee : One that I tell everybody, I was taught, this will tell you who it was straight away, because no doubt you've heard this story.
Jo: Right. Okay.
Lee : Somebody who was born in America, but went to Thailand to learn to become an exorcist. and him and his girlfriend at the time went to this haunted location they picked up a a talisman she put it on and as soon as she put it on she flipped over into the into the crab position and then crawled up a world it all crawled up a wall backwards
Jo: So what you're saying is never put things you find on. Yeah.
Lee : Correct.
Jo: We're hearing this story. When you're hearing this story, is your immediate reaction going, oh, no, yeah they didn't actually put this on. Did they? Like, that's just irresponsible at some point.
Lee : Yeah.
Jo: Or did you like, I want to try that next.
Lee : Well, and that's it. you're You're always told about these things.
Lee : And then that's perfect evidence of something going bad.
Jo: There you are. And then you you actually have training in this, right? I remember correctly.
Lee : I won't say training per se, but I've been on a course to teach me the basics.
Jo: Classes. Right. Which is more than a lot of people do. I mean, that person went to Thailand to become one.
Lee : Yeah.
Jo: And then like there's different levels of training. You know you don't have to. We all can't be in Thailand. It's like you took coursework to make yourself more informed because yours is based upon scientific skepticism, right?
Lee : Yeah, yeah, so basically, Yeah, everybody has to have a skeptical mind.
Jo: Right.
Lee : And not everything is paranormal.
Jo: Right.
Lee : So you have to roll out the obvious before you start looking at the supernatural.
Jo: And that's part of your prism now.
Lee : Yeah, so if you think about a prism, you've got a triangle.
Lee : You get one beam of light going in. Ta-da!
Jo: Right.
Lee : just asked you that.
Jo: And the light just came out and did that.
Lee : Ta-da! Yeah. You get one piece of light going into a triangle, a glass prism, and then when it comes out the other side, you get all the different colors because of the angle of the prism.
Jo: Right.
Lee : And I thought that that was a really good yeah idea because you can ask one question But then there can be so many answers, so many different descriptions.
Jo: Right.
Jo: Yeah.
Lee : And the fact that I thought, well, yeah, how can I relate that into the paranormal? Just exactly how I've explained it. One question, but you've got multiple answers. Is my house haunted?
Lee : Yeah.
Jo: Yes, I just saw you like go on like that.
Lee : And you've got, yeah, exactly.
Jo: So it is hot.
Lee : did
Jo: can tell you that.
Lee : Yeah. And it's like, you know, there's so many... possible answers that you've got for that.
Jo: Right.
Lee : So that's what that's what gave me the idea about the prism, because it yeah it splits light up. It splits that one question into six to seven, eight different answers kind of thing.
Jo: no That makes sense. and Now for your inquiries, I'm guessing you cross off the easiest ones first. It's not this. This is easy.
Lee : Correct.
Jo: Cross, cross, cross, cross, cross.
Lee : Yeah. So for those people that don't know if you've got
Jo: Yes.
Lee : faulty wiring and it's giving off electromagnetic fields, if it's strong enough, it can cause you to have headaches, nausea, sickness and hallucinations.
Lee : Typical example, if you've got like an alarm clock by the side of your bed and when you're going through your sleep period, if you wake up and you see hallucinations, it's going to be because of the electromagnetic field with the bad wiring in your alarm clock.
Lee : It's not going to be paranormal. So once you take that alarm clock out the equation and all the hallucinations stop, then your place isn't haunted.
Lee : You had a natural problem. And the same goes for carbon monoxide. that can make you have hallucinations as well. Black mold if you.
Jo: Black bold. Yeah.
Lee : Yeah. So you have to roll out the obvious. Before you start investigating the not normal.
Jo: No, that's exactly, I think while I was telling you about my so my sleep process thing that one time, I do you have this? No. Did you do this? No, no, no, no. And my phone's always like the other side of the bloody room. don't have alarm clocks.
Jo: Like, I don't think i've had alarm clocks since I was like 20. You know, you just kind of get up and go, oh, it's time get up. But it is the ruling everything everything else out and then trying to piece stuff together.
Jo: Have you ever been stumped? Like you rule everything else out. You just don't know what it is.
Lee : Yeah, we had a medium contact at the beginning of the year. And she was having money going missing, food going missing, and other things being moved. I think I spoke to this about spoke it to but to about you.
Jo: Yeah.
Lee : And you go down the rational road first. Okay. Okay. your son lives lives in your house. Is there any chance that he's taken the money?
Lee : And then she goes, that was my first thought. But I've got two houses, one in Ottawa and one in California. And it happens in California and my son doesn't go with me.
Lee : Okay. And when the food goes missing, same kind of question. Well, your son's there. Did he have a late night snack?
Jo: in
Lee : Well, he said he didn't, but if he did, there would be evidence. would be the the the the snack bag in the garbage. yeah He wouldn't like hide it just to make... But then again, it was happening in the second location as well.
Lee : So she was telling us that this had been going on for a while, and she was losing hundreds of dollars, not all in one go, but in total.
Lee : So she invited us around to have an interview with her to see if we could figure out what's going on. And a few days before, she was speaking to another medium friend of hers who, as she put it, gave me a cleansing and she felt something come away from her.
Jo: Okay.
Lee : She doesn't know what it is, but she felt release, a light. yeah It felt lighter. So she was going to cancel us, but she decided to carry on with us going around there. So we're doing in the interview. And what we did, we set up in the kitchen.
Lee : Now, she lived on the on the third floor of an apartment block. So you come through the the door. You've got the lounge to the right. a small area where there's a table to the left and, yeah know, coat hooks and things.
Lee : If you carry straight on, you've got a small corridor. You've got the kitchen to the left, bathroom at the end, and two bedrooms on the right-hand side.
Lee : There's no windows in the bathroom because there's another apartment the other side of the wall. So there's no direct windows going in towards the kitchen.
Jo: Right.
Lee : We placed... On the kitchen table, a bag of chips, some chocolate, some and some money, a $5 bill. And then we had a camera pointing at it, and they we had what's called a melmeter, which picks up temperature and a few other things.
Lee : The interview lasted two hours. As we're quickly reviewing the evidence, we noticed the $5 move. But it didn't just move side to side. It looked like somebody had pushed it down from the top and flattened it out.
Lee : Now, we've shown many people this, and some people go, well, it could be a could be a draft. Yeah, but it can't be a draft because there's no windows direct and all the other doors were shut.
Lee : And if it was going to be a draft, it would blow the dollar bill sideways, not from straight down, and there wasn't a fan you know directly above it.
Jo: Yeah. I was thinking like the table wasn't level and stuff like that. Maybe the table is not level. or Maybe this, maybe that, right?
Lee : Yeah, but if that's the case, it would the whole dollar bill would move, not just the top end of it and not just pushing down. yeah And I sped up the mouse just so you could see it quicker because it it was really slow when it actually did it, and it literally just pushed it down.
Jo: Yeah.
Jo: Yeah, it goes.
Lee : And someone says, well, it was folded up in the guy's wallet before he got there, and it's increasing itself. But again, you would see the entire dollar bill move, not just...
Lee : the top inch or so.
Jo: Yeah, I was thinking, like, the, because Canadian, we're talking about Canadian money, people are, like, wondering if it's an actual dollar. Canadian money is basically this, like, plastic polymer. It's not, like, anything like, but I don't have any here, obviously, but...
Jo: And my idea was like, well, maybe it's just expanding down normally, or just settling normally, or maybe there was water, whatever's underneath it, like, you know, evaporating, like, you never know if I don't set the trick up, I don't I want to see what the trick is and like, okay, this is how I've done it.
Lee : Yeah, but be the the whole note would move in some way, shape or form, not just the the top inch.
Jo: I would have done two pictures. ice
Lee : like put Like someone's pushing it down. Someone's someone's pushing it down like this.
Jo: Right.
Lee : Yeah. If it was a dollar bill, the entire thing would move, not just a ticket.
Jo: Is that Canadian money?
Lee : Yeah.
Jo: was like That was Canadian money.
Lee : ticket
Jo: I have no idea.
Lee : yeah
Jo: I just saw the colors.
Lee : yeah
Jo: Like, oh, is that 50? Right.
Lee : Yeah, so we can roll out quite a few natural things. Yeah, there was there was a glass dish and the table on the table. But again, if it was if the dollar bill was cold or the plate were your plate was warm, it would still be the entire dollar bill, not just an inch of it that was moving.
Jo: Now, this is my follow-up question. Do it again. Can you guys do it again?
Lee : Well, that's it, you see.
Jo: Repeatable.
Lee : We we haven't been back.
Jo: Yeah.
Jo: Oh.
Lee : she Now, she did have another incident where nobody was at home apart from her And she heard running up and down that corridor and somebody outside her bedroom door. Her son was away for the weekend, there was nobody. And even the dog went to the door to try to like, yeah, she's only got a small yappy little dog.
Lee : It's not like, yeah I'm going to protect your mom. But then she called it back onto the bed.
Jo: More attachment.
Lee : So she called me after that. And I said, well, okay, you've got a couple of options. She belonged to a spiritualist church. So went, right, speak to the head of the church, tell them what's going on, because for a medium to be experiencing poltergeist activity, you'd kind of think that they would have an idea what it was.
Lee : So, yeah, so i got them I got her to reach out to her church leader
Jo: attachment
Lee : I also got her to speak to the person that did the cleansing a few days before to see what else she could do. And then I also suggested to her that she bought a couple of cameras in like a T-shape, so then you could see if anything was occurring.
Jo: That's pretty smart.
Jo: part
Lee : And yeah, I don't know if things have just died a death and we've not heard anything, but we've not heard from her for a while now. so I don't know if things have resolved, but.
Jo: you know and It'll be interesting, man. And that's all very good advice, honestly. Like, talk to the spiritual, get the teeth, the cameras, and teeth who get all angles and stuff like that. if If paranormal activity caught us anything, you need cameras.
Jo: But honestly, actually do need cameras, especially if things are being moved. So, gut impression, I'm saying attachment. Sounds like it. What do you think?
Lee : Now.
Lee : The word attachment was put out there.
Jo: Hmm.
Lee : And then she said, and this is the weird part, everything started happening because she does readings in her own house.
Jo: Right.
Lee : Everything started to happen after this one person came for a reading. So we were wondering if this person had some sort of attachment themselves and it was their way of dumping that attachment onto somebody else and the fact that she was a medium it would probably be that easy jump across yeah
Jo: Shiny new object. Yeah. Oh, let's give a new play thing. Okay. Now, I've that question to you, sir.
Jo: That sounds very interesting. If she ever comes back, do you want to go together? Investigate? I'll go with.
Lee : Sure, we can do that, yeah.
Jo: Sounds like my thing. like I'll even i'll even to give a cleansing for free.
Lee : i got And i've i've even got I've even got little cameras that we could set up discreetly, and like you could even do it while her son's not there, for example, so he doesn't know that these where these cameras are situated.
Jo: Well, lunch.
Jo: where they are.
Lee : And they're motion detected as well, so they won't go on.
Jo: Yeah.
Lee : They can obviously turn them off during the daytime, so there's no personal yeah personal things that you shouldn't be seeing.
Jo: Yeah.
Jo: Right. Just the unexpected stuff at night.
Lee : Yeah, yeah. So at nighttime, when you go to bed, you click them on, and you've got two fields of view, which covers the corridor and covers the lounge.
Jo: You know, it would be funny though.
Lee : And then, yeah.
Jo: We did all that and it turns out to be a mouse.
Jo: Just a mouth.
Lee : I don't think mice wear like big heavy boots running up and down a corridor.
Jo: No, but fairies wear boots. You better believe it. Oh, because it is Ozzy Day. That's why I had to do that. Ozzy Osbourne Day today. So fairies wear boots.
Lee : It is.
Jo: Yeah.
Lee : There go.
Jo: So yeah that sounds interesting. And that's the thing. Just organically talking about it, it makes me want to go explore it. I think that's part of the paranormal.
Jo: It's not like you're talking about like Fairbanks, Alaska. I'm like, I'm not going to Fairbanks, Alaska.
Lee : yeah and
Jo: <unk> i'll do and I'll do California or Ontario. Honestly, I'll do it California a minute.
Lee : yeah and the thing is though yeah yes I could have reached out but the fact that she hasn't reached out either makes me think it may have gone quiet and she has no reason to reach out yeah because yeah if she's she goes on the circuit and does a lot of reading she might be out of town you don't know
Jo: Right.
Jo: Or just like hectic right now. Like,
Jo: True. True that. It would be really interesting. Now, is there any place you said you you if she reaches out, obviously, that would be a good thing to go follow up. Is there any place you did twice? I know you guys did investigations. Any place you did twice?
Lee : We've done SDG jail in Cornwall. We've done that two or three times. And this is where you've been involved as well. Not there in person, but the but the after effects.
Jo: jail.
Lee : So the very first time I went was the the double breath incident on review. And I sent you the audio and you broke it down and went,
Lee : This is your voice, Wade. This is mine. This is me banging on the table.
Jo: Yeah.
Lee : And this is what you heard.
Jo: Yeah. Yeah.
Lee : And then we went back there about three months later, and I i had another EVP unexplained. There was three of us sat in the room. I was walking up and down. The other two were seated.
Lee : And we had another EVP. One of them was talking at the time, so it definitely wasn't him. And the other one was further away and quiet. And I got an EVP and as soon as I picked it up in review, I'd got a body cam on, I'd got an audio device and I got a camera.
Lee : I stopped what i was doing. I went to the other two devices, got the timestamp and I could hear it on all three devices, but I never heard it at that moment in time.
Jo: So was a true EVP where it only appears to the actual electronics.
Lee : Yeah, and I'm not sure if I for told you, but that's where you and I are going in the fall.
Jo: yeah
Jo: Nice. I get the fall.
Lee : they haven't released they haven't release They haven't released the dates yet, but.
Jo: Okay. No, I love that. And it's third time's a charm. If you got two EVPs so far, like the third time, I'm going to find the amulet and I'm to put it on. No, I'm not finding anything there.
Jo: I'm not going to put anything up.
Lee : i would I would record the shit out of that if you did that.
Jo: Yeah, you know, at this point, if they fix my shoulder doing it, yeah, you know, I'll take one for the team.
Lee : I'd be like... Yeah.
Lee : Now, got asked a while ago is, have I ever brought back an attachment?
Jo: Yes. that's how
Lee : And I said, no but I wish I had. and And people are going, what, why? And I went... If you bring back an attachment and it starts doing weird shit in your apartment, think what evidence you can get.
Lee : I would use it as a, yeah, I would use it as a scientific experiment.
Jo: Yeah, you don't have to go out something else.
Jo: Yeah, until it uses your body for a skin suit.
Lee : Then Kelly's going, you're not.
Jo: Yeah.
Lee : so
Jo: Like, no yeah, we both do not wish to be anything like, we always say goodbyes.
Lee : Yeah.
Jo: We always do those.
Lee : Yeah, that's it.
Jo: Yeah, no, that's so.
Lee : But if it did, yeah they don't normally come in all guns blazing. You normally get like a little bit of of activity, then a little bit more and a little bit more, and it builds builds into a crescendo like yeah in the in the film Poltergeist where you've got the room and everything spinning around.
Jo: I creep up.
Lee : But if you did and you were getting evidence, I've got all the cameras, I could record it, and I've got 100% evidence. So how cool would that be?
Jo: Yeah, but it's 100% evidence only if you live. Did you see the endings of these movies? I don't think you've seen the endings of these movies, Lee. They all die.
Lee : Yeah, but all these but all these movies are in America.
Jo: Horribly so.
Lee : The English do things differently, do things different.
Jo: Oh, the English ones. Yeah.
Lee : We don't go into a dark kitchen and say, is there anybody there? We just get the crap out of there.
Jo: Come on here.
Lee : We go, nope, where you guys will go, is there anybody there? And the killer's going, yeah, I'm just making a sandwich. I'll be with you in two ticks.
Jo: because of
Lee : Yeah.
Jo: Yeah, well, although if you do that, it means the apartment's free. Like, oh, I can get a place in Canada now. I didn't want to say where you live. like I was like trying to broaden the scope to Canada.
Jo: Somewhere in Canada, I'll get a place. That's one way of doing it. what i if it were If you knew the place was haunted or reported to be haunted, would you live there?
Jo: Would you like sign up?
Lee : Absolutely.
Jo: Would you? Okay.
Lee : Because if you think about it, if you get if you get like manifestations that are floating, then you don't have to get a step ladder for decorate. You could just stand on it.
Lee : And then, so okay, can you just go up a bit? I just need to paint this part of the ceiling.
Jo: Or the poltergeist just put some glitter.
Lee : Job done.
Jo: It'll like do this with the glitter.
Lee : Yeah.
Jo: the entire thing is done for Christmas.
Lee : to it Talking about poltergeist. I heard this amazing new theory Monday night, when i but i the episode's coming out on Friday.
Jo: Right.
Lee : This guy wrote a book about the poltergeist in the forest. Right? So if you think about it, if you go investigating for Sasquatch or Bigfoot, you go into the forest environment,
Lee : You get pebbles or rocks thrown at you, point number one. You get bangs on trees and noises, point number two.
Lee : You get mysterious footprints, point number three. And you get yeah other things moving and other noises, point number four. If you put that into a domestic environment like a house, what have you got?
Lee : You've got a poltergeist.
Jo: I get my my marriage. What was it? No.
Lee : Yeah, you've got a poltergeist.
Jo: Yeah. Oh, that too.
Lee : So who's saying that a poltergeist cannot be in a forest?
Jo: was my second time.
Lee : Because if they don't if they don't have any sightings of these creatures, but they're getting things thrown at them and they're getting noises and stuff like that, who says it can't be a poltergeist in the forest?
Jo: But what would they what would the the the localization be? Would it be an old house? wouldn't it be Isn't a poltergeist something that's localized to the domestic?
Lee : No, no. Well, we don't know because we' we've been unable to to like study them. And yeah, there is talk to say that a poltergeist can be attached to adolescent teenagers that are going through the stresses of growing up.
Jo: Right.
Lee : But there's also been other instances of where it's happened with adults and such.
Jo: right
Lee : But there's nothing to say that a poltergeist has to be in a domestic property.
Jo: So this guy's theory is when you're out in the middle of woods and things are going askew, it could be poltergeist.
Lee : Yeah, could be. Not that it is, it could be.
Jo: Right. It could be. Did he do a lot of research on this? I mean, does he kind of go out in the woods and try to find them? Right.
Lee : I know he's wrote a book on it. that That was one of the books that we discussed in the in the podcast.
Jo: Cool.
Lee : But it kind of got me thinking. It's like, what if, that yeah, there's a lot of people that say, yeah, Bigfoot's real, Sasquatch is real, et cetera, et cetera. But a lot the time, they don't get any any physical like pictures of what's happening.
Lee : So who says that the forest can't be haunted?
Jo: A lot of mythology has the force like forest nymphs.
Lee : Yeah.
Jo: and like
Lee : Elementals, imps, fairies.
Jo: yeah They all come. They wear boots again. Ozzy day.
Lee : Yes, exactly. But it was it was a fascinating comment. And I'm thinking, like, wow. I've never thought about before, but it's quite easily practical.
Jo: That's pretty cool. And so you're learning things on your podcast then. You're learning more about the paranormal.
Lee : one hundred 100% every single podcast I do, I'm learning something.
Jo: Interesting. And this is, okay, if you were to suggest when someone's getting into the paranormal, first steps, what would that be for you? What are the first steps of getting into the paranormal for you?
Lee : Learn to walk before you can run. So what I mean by that is don't go out and buy all the bells and whistles. The only thing you really need is a sane mind.
Lee : So that counts you and I straight out.
Jo: say I'm kind of.
Lee : Yeah, a logical mind, sceptical if you want, because then you can rule out the obvious.
Jo: I got that.
Lee : But an audio device, a camera and a notebook and pen, that's pretty much it.
Jo: And don't use your phone as the audio device because.
Lee : Correct. Do not use your cell phone.
Jo: Right. Flight mode or safe. Was it not safe mode? It's flight mode, right?
Lee : airplane Airplane mode.
Jo: Airplane mode.
Lee : Yeah.
Jo: you
Lee : yeah Yeah.
Jo: my mind, wait for a second.
Lee : Yeah.
Jo: There
Lee : So all these, all these apps that are on the phones, most of them are kind of, yeah, they're there for, yeah.
Jo: You know, that that they have little lights and flashing woo-woos and stuff like that, but that's about all. Yeah. So, yeah, I agree.
Lee : But there is one there is there is one app that someone has developed from the UK that apparently has been getting some interesting results.
Jo: Interesting to see. Have you used anything in the field that, whereas technology-wise, that you got, like, this has to be, like, paranormal? I don't mean the EVPs.
Jo: I know you guys use cat balls, and you use, like, the obelisk? Is that the obelisk?
Lee : The you got the other.
Jo: Or the Oculus?
Lee : Yeah.
Jo: Yeah, I got the...
Lee : So the thing is, they were cat balls. A lot of people say they're a toy. And yes, they are right. It is 100% cat toy.
Jo: right.
Lee : However, what the team have done in the past, they have something that's called a geophone, which is basically it's a vibration device. So you put it on a table, you bang the table, it goes off.
Lee : So what we do, we will always put the cat ball on top of it. Bag the table, both of them go off. Yeah, it's a vibration from the table. But if only one goes off and not the other, and it does it on command,
Lee : then you've got to excuse me then you've got to kind of look at it from a different angle. yeah Yes, yeah batteries could be low or whatever. But if you say, know, if you assume that spirits and entities are at present, go up and touch that top device out the two or touch the bottom one, and one of those goes off and not the other, well, it's not a vibration because both of them are vibration controlled.
Lee : So what is it?
Jo: It's you using the proper word device instead of go touch that electronics, you whippersnapper from the 1800s.
Lee : Well, that's another thing. i don't use it don't like using the term device either because in the 1800s, I'm only using that because you're modern day person-ish.
Jo: Thank you.
Lee : But i always if I'm on investigation, it's that toy or that box with the light on.
Jo: I'm stylish.
Jo: Right.
Lee : Because they're going to know what a light is because they had yeah even had flame torches back in the day or candles. So they know what a light is. So go up to that that object. Go up to that toy. Go up to that box.
Jo: They
Lee : Touch it. It will make a noise. I promise you it won't hurt you. yeah And that kind of thing. And you explain to them what it is you're putting in front of them. You're treating them like a human being because potentially back in the back in the day, they were a human being.
Jo: were.
Lee : So treat them with respect. Treat them yeah like you're talking to to your best friend. Say please, say thank you.
Jo: Right.
Lee : And be courteous.
Jo: I agree.
Lee : Don't antagonize them because... I've seen episodes where people have have tried to antagonize them, and they've got absolutely zip. I go away somewhere else by myself, and I get evidence because I'm courteous, I'm polite.
Lee : But it's so it's all about doing things getting things on command as well. Because people use the term, well, that came on, but it was a coincidence. But how often does something have to happen before it stops becoming a coincidence?
Jo: 300. 20. Blue. twenty blue i have thought that was a question.
Lee : okay
Jo: Sorry. No, but that's exactly it. And and I'm glad you brought... and i I think everyone who does paranormal investigations or, you know, experimentations, when they're on the show, we can all name people who are like, I'm going to yell at you. going to do like, well, what are you doing for it? Like if, if, if the spirit's there, now you're just yelling at a dead person. What's that about?
Jo: And if the spirit's not there, now you're just yelling through the air, but even weirder. And if it's, if it's not, if it's a non-human entity, now you're pissing something off.
Lee : Yeah.
Lee : Yeah, exactly.
Jo: Like that's even worse. whats There's no winning there.
Lee : Yeah.
Jo: Just, just be polite.
Lee : No, it's not. Yeah. if it If it did used to be a human entity, then treat it with disrespect. You are in their house. if If they used to live there and you're walking around going, come on, you bastard, show yourself.
Jo: Yeah. Show myself.
Lee : They're going to go like, who's this idiot? I'm not talking to you. Yeah, you're in my property.
Jo: so
Lee : Get the hell out.
Jo: exactly Or you're in my woods, then throw us down on you more.
Lee : Yeah.
Jo: so what do you okay Then I'll ask i'll ask a this question as as we come to a close.
Lee : Yeah, exactly.
Jo: and By the way, weekly weekly, what day does your show go out? The Paranormal Prism.
Lee : Friday's at 5pm.
Jo: 5 p.m. Eastern Time.
Lee : Eastern.
Jo: That's it.
Lee : Eastern time. E-S-T.
Jo: Correcto mundo. So... What is one thing technology-wise you want to work with but you haven't had a chance?
Lee : I know a lot of people are against it for various reasons, and I'll explain why in a minute. But i I'd love to have like a, I can't mean what you call it, the the stick figure camera kind of things.
Jo: this Okay.
Lee : SLS camera. Yeah, or the XLS, which is the color one, to put them to the test, just to see how how good and reliable.
Jo: Yeah.
Lee : However, For shits and giggles, I had an app on my phone that did exactly that. It was but yeah it was an app version of the, like, I can't know what SLS is now.
Jo: yeah
Lee : i'm not I've not said it for a while. But yeah basically, if there's a spirit there, it creates it into a stick figure. So i've got I had an app on my phone, and I went down to take the recycling.
Lee : So you have to walk through the garage, and you go to a room that's off the garage where all your recycling bits and bobs are.
Jo: right.
Lee : And there must have been an electrical fault with the door because you hit the but you hit the the button, door electronically opens. You walk in, it closes behind you, but then it will try to keep opening because there was electrical fault.
Lee : So just as a bit of a giggle, I thought myself, it would be really cool if there was a spirit. So I got my phone out onto this particular app. Now, on the door, there's a sticker that says, please don't exit fast.
Lee : There might may be cars going past go past the door.
Jo: Right.
Lee : So it's a safety message. And because it was picking up that sticker, that circular sticker, it was trying to create it into a stick figure. That was the head.
Jo: Yeah.
Lee : Yeah, yeah. And then it was trying to create the rest of it. So, yeah, I know it was complete BS, but it was funny by the fact that the door had got an electrical fault.
Lee : And then when I got this app, just for a laugh, it actually came up with a stick figure just coincidentally at the right time.
Jo: See, that's this is stuff like that. And then there you go. if if There would be people like, oh my God, that's definite proof. Right there, paranormal. And you're like, no, it's a damn sticker.
Jo: It just happened that the the app picks up in the shape and they go, like a child would, you know?
Lee : Yeah.
Lee : That's it. And if yeah if you're in a property and you've got like over over the other side of the room, I've got my telescope on a tripod.
Jo: Right.
Lee : If I got one of those cameras and moved it across because it's simulating a human standing up kind of thing, even though it's got three legs, but it would pick up the two legs.
Lee : It would try to create it into a human formation.
Jo: Right. It's basically looking at clouds.
Lee : Yeah.
Jo: It's trying to make the sense out of a cloud shape.
Lee : That's it. any anyway And if you've got a mop bucket, you've got the the straight thing of the mop. Again, it's going to try to put it into a stick figure.
Jo: Yeah.
Lee : However, if you take one of these into a warehouse that's completely empty or a field, where where it's just like, there's nothing there. And there's nothing for it to try to pick on, pick up on.
Jo: right
Lee : And then you get those kind of shapes and figures. What's causing it? It could have a completely natural explanation. But it's got to have something to pick up on.
Jo: So we should do an experiment. because we have to we do If it picks up on one field, have to keep going back to see if it keeps picking up.
Lee : Yeah.
Jo: If it's one off, it could be anything random. but If it keeps picking up, then we to figure out what it is.
Lee : It could. And then, a yeah, okay, I i i stood 20 steps from the fence or the from the gate.
Jo: Right.
Lee : I've now got 100 or 200 feet in front of me. This is the exact spot that I stood before. I'm pointing in the same direction,
Lee : and I get nothing or I get something. Then you have to try to repeat it.
Jo: I think that's it. It's repeat repeatability. I think that's... It's just science. like That's the scientific aspect of it.
Lee : Yeah.
Jo: You have to be able to repeat it. you don't repeat it...
Lee : Yeah.
Jo: sorry. It's like hit my mic. I don't keep hitting my mic, it just shit happens.
Lee : Yeah. and if
Jo: It's like the outlier. or I guess the outlier.
Lee : Exactly. And if you're if you kind of try to replicate the same, like you said, the same test day in, day out, so we we have a little bell.
Jo: Yeah.
Lee : it Basically, it's a bell that they used to have at the reception desk at a hotel.
Jo: Right.
Lee : and it's got some wires and things it's supposed to be able to pick up electromagnetic fields. And you get the ding of the bell. If you ask whatever's there to touch that bell, it will go off.
Lee : But if it's picking up other electrical fields, it's also going to go off. But if you ask it to touch it, and it goes off to on command, and then you ask it again, and it goes off on command, and you ask it again, and it goes off on command, that's not an electromagnetic field.
Jo: No, that's Han Solo. see, bring it back to the beginning joke.
Lee : Yeah. but don't Yeah. So that could, yeah.
Jo: But that's exactly right. I agree. agree, absolutely. It's repeatable. That's what an experiment has to be.
Lee : Yeah.
Jo: The results have to repeatable. Can you repeat this? Can repeat this? Can repeat this? Yes. And that's, I believe, the large difference between you and a lot of them, a lot of the investigation, a lot of the shows, is you don't want disbelieve, but You really want a question
Lee : Yeah, and that that's it.
Jo: You're really questioning
Lee : And a typical example, i think I told you this, but not on a podcast. Last December, we went to an investigation between you and me, about halfway.
Lee : And we're upstairs in this building, and i and the the building's cut the the roof is quite sharp, so it's got cutouts to where the windows are, so it's like a little alcove.
Jo: Right?
Lee : So I've got my back to the window and I'm, know, if there's anybody there, can you please make a sign, make a sound, yada, yada, yada. And I'd got my thumb in my left pocket and my pants, but the rest of my hand was hanging outside.
Lee : My elbow was sticking out and I felt like something wrapped its child hand around my three fingers.
Jo: right.
Lee : And it just felt like a child came up and grabbed my three fingers. So my initial thought was it's got to be cobwebs because the upstairs was a little bit forlorn. It it needs revamping into yeah how it used to look, but they got to raise money to do this.
Lee : So and then thought, well, it can't be cobwebs because if my my hand is in my pocket and my elbow is sticking out, my shoulder and my elbow is going to take out any cobwebs that are hanging down anywhere.
Jo: Right.
Lee : And it happened below that. And you're not going to get a cobweb hanging in the middle of nowhere.
Jo: No, it has to attach to something.
Lee : Yeah, and I'd literally been stood in that position for five or 10 minutes. So if there had been any other cobwebs there, I would have pushed them out the way with my body.
Lee : But it literally felt like a little hand grabbed my three fingers.
Lee : I can't explain what happened. I don't know what what caused it. I'd like to think it was something spiritual.
Jo: What did you do? What did you do?
Lee : Well, I did ask you if you are here, could you please do that again?
Jo: Right.
Lee : Didn't get a response. But we had cameras set up at different locations and even the guy monitoring the cameras, he says, what happened? Because he says, I saw you stop and you're looking around.
Lee : I says, well, it felt like my hand had been held.
Lee : But I've got no rational explanation for that.
Jo: That's interesting. And this is a place you've been to once, yes?
Lee : Correct.
Jo: Another place to go back.
Lee : And it's halfway between us, so it will be ideal.
Jo: Perfect. It's absolutely perfect. So week an hour we covered a lot, sir. We covered a lot. We covered a little, we covered a lot. We covered both. And I just want to say thanks again for everything, honestly, and just coming on the podcast, but I got absolutely everything.
Lee : You're most welcome.
Jo: You know, I always say most of my friends are where you live. I won't say where you live, but it's like, yeah, it's, it's so bizarre. We just kind of like click and always like, you know, it must be the the English tea in me.
Jo: I'm not sure, but it's up.
Lee : It's 6 o'clock in the morning somewhere.
Jo: Yeah. I don't know. You know, you know, And that's going to go to every every week. Fridays, yes? At what time again?
Jo: 5
Lee : 5 PM Eastern.
Jo: p.m. Eastern Time, Fridays, the Paranormal Prism with Lee Hatfield and Monthly coming out.
Lee : Paranormal summit or other.
Jo: What's that one? Something on there. and what When is that coming out? The first episode already dropped, right? It was Monday.
Lee : The first episode's dropped. we We haven't got a complete schedule yet, but obviously it will be probably about four weeks from Saturday. So literally middle of the month every month.
Jo: That's very cool. And then where can we find you on the interwebs? You got TikTok, Tommy Rock.
Lee : So I've rebranded my TikTok to the Paranormal Prism, but you can find me under the I think it's the Paranormal Investigator or something like that. Let me just quickly check. that dada The powers of technology.
Lee : it is. Yeah, the Paranormal Podcast host on TikTok.
Jo: Nice.
Lee : The Paranormal Prism has a YouTube page.
Jo: Wow.
Lee : And we also have the Paranormal Prism Facebook page. And that's it because I only love relaunched it or rebranded last weekend.
Jo: That's amazing.
Lee : They're the only three that I've got up and running right now because, i'm again, I want to learn to before I can walk with the rebrand.
Jo: Right.
Lee : I don't want to throw everything in and make it too busy for me.
Jo: Yeah.
Lee : I'm exactly get overwhelmed. So I'm just doing things bit by a bit.
Jo: That sounds amazing. if we We're going to reach out. We're going to And you and i we are going to do a show, maybe live, maybe taped, but it's going to be out in the field. And then one of us will come back. And then the other one will come back because we'll both come back.
Jo: People are like, oh my God, when one of us comes back, it'd be weird.
Lee : Now, when we'll be back in the same time zone there?
Jo: Maybe. Maybe. Depends.
Lee : Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do.
Jo: I never know. I'm always one hour ahead or one hour behind. Who knows? But next time, we're going to talk even more. I want the spookiest, scariest things. And I know you' have another project. I won't mention the project here yet, but I know you have one burning in the background that we'll talk about next time.
Lee : Okie dokie. Sounds like a plan.
Jo: All right. On behalf of myself and Lee, we bid you good day. Bye, everyone.
Lee : Bye-bye now.
