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Somehow a girl snuck onto the pod - Episode 412
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Wes MacMillan
going on, everybody?
Introduction to Philosophony Podcast
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Wes MacMillan
Welcome back to Philosophony, the podcast where we have a good time answering life's big questions.
Guest Introduction: Drew's Struggles
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Wes MacMillan
Today's guest is Drew. How are you doing, Drew?
00:00:11
Drew
I'm doing very well. Thank you. glad to be here.
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Wes MacMillan
It's good to have you on. And today I asked Drew to bring her latest deep thought that she's been wrestling with.
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Drew
Okay. All right. Wow, we really are just getting right into it. um My latest thought, i mean, it's kind of not super general. It's more like, to I'm trying to find the balance in my life between
00:00:35
Wes MacMillan
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
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Drew
being on at all times, like having, like feeling like I need to be on versus people not taking me seriously. i think that's kind of my biggest struggle at the moment. And I think a lot of people, even my friends, when I talk to them about this, like they, they can relate.
00:00:56
Drew
So I think, yeah, that's, that's my current deep thought. Thank
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Wes MacMillan
I think that's fucking fantastic thought.
Authenticity and Societal Pressure
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Wes MacMillan
And i i I think ideally you would never have to be like on, you would just be yourself, but it doesn't seem to be the way it is, you know?
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Drew
you.
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Drew
hello
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Drew
Yeah. I mean, and yeah, not to hype you up, but obviously I've listened to the podcast before and a big thing you talk about is like, i forget how you word it, but you're like, um, if you're Like, not yourself. People are never going to really know you. So who are you? Like, who are you really helping when you're not yourself?
00:01:34
Drew
But then I'm like, am I being myself? Or am I, like, I don't even know. Like, am I on? Is that just who I am? Or do I feel like I have to be doing that?
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Wes MacMillan
True. I'll take all the hype I can get.
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Drew
Take it.
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Wes MacMillan
I need it. But, and it's so true. It's like life's biggest conundrum. It's like, like all you have to do is be yourself, but it's so fucking hard.
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Drew
Yeah. Yeah. How, can I
Podcasting Experience
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Drew
ask you questions? Is that, that allowed?
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Wes MacMillan
Yes. Encouraged.
00:02:08
Drew
Okay. ah Like, I'm trying to, I'm not very articulate. I think that's also something we can unpack, but like, I don't know. How has it been doing this? Is it like, does it feel normal? Does it feel natural?
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Drew
Or is it kind of like something you have to actively think about?
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Wes MacMillan
once i get started yes but like i'm like before i started i'm still like fucking terrified and like
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Drew
Yeah. Yeah. yeah No, I, yeah. I'm a big, I get super nervous. Like, I don't think about things and I'm like, oh, it's fine. I'm not worried.
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Drew
And then like a minute or two before I'm like, I'm going to throw up and die. Like I'm going to die. off bed And then it starts. I'm like, okay, this is like, whatever. This is light work. I
00:02:47
Wes MacMillan
Mm-hmm.
Pressure in Life and Relationships
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Drew
got it. Like, it's fine.
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Wes MacMillan
ah yeah
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Drew
like The minute or two leading up to things, I'm like, no, like I'm going to doug i'm gonna die.
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Wes MacMillan
Yeah, that is exactly how it feels. And also it ties back to like, you think you have to perform, but ideally you don't. And one thing I've talked about before, it's like whether you're talking to like a person you're interested in or like trying to get a job, it's like theoretically you can say all the right things and get it But then if you do get it it, you have to keep saying all the right things to keep it, which is fucking terrifying.
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Drew
Right.
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Wes MacMillan
And we're legitimately, if you like try to be the worst person version of yourself and you get something, then like you will never have to worry.
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Drew
Yeah.
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Drew
Yes.
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Wes MacMillan
Yeah.
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Drew
Right. No, you're so right. Because then you're performing for the rest of your life, you know?
00:03:49
Wes MacMillan
Yeah.
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Drew
um Yeah, no, that's, yeah.
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Wes MacMillan
And Kanye West said it.
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Drew
That's.
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Wes MacMillan
ah
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Drew
Okay.
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Wes MacMillan
is He's my favorite musician of all time. i do not agree with anything he said recently. But he said, if you're always trying to say the right thing, then your whole life is a test. And when did you have the most anxiety in school?
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Drew
Yeah.
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Wes MacMillan
On test day.
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Drew
Test day. but No, it's so true. Fuck Kanye. But yeah, he's right. He got that one right. I'm a Taylor Swift fan, so.
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Wes MacMillan
No, i here's Here's the good thing about me. A lot of people like Kanye hate Taylor, but I do not hate Taylor.
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Drew
Yeah.
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Wes MacMillan
i I know Taylor's talented. i much prefer, like, I much prefer, like, You Belong With Me and Love Story.
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Drew
Okay.
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Drew
Okay, a little country Taylor, early Taylor.
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Wes MacMillan
i don't ah don't really understand the new Taylor, like, the Taylor's versions. Actually, i get why she, I heard why she did that, and I respect it.
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Drew
Yeah. Yeah.
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Wes MacMillan
But her new
Popularity and Success in Art
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Wes MacMillan
music, I don't know. Like, I ah think there's a song with Bon Iver. That song.
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Drew
Yeah. Exile.
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Wes MacMillan
Yeah.
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Drew
Yeah. Oh yeah. ah Yeah.
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Wes MacMillan
That song is goaded.
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Drew
um
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Wes MacMillan
But maybe. 100%.
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Drew
That's good though. A lot of people either like, I mean, I love her People love her or they're like, hate her, fuck her. Like you can't deny that she's so like, even if you don't like her music, she's been so successful and it's for a reason.
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Drew
Like people, ah you know, people are famous for good.
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Wes MacMillan
hundred percent the other The other day I played a song.
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Drew
As long as,
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Wes MacMillan
I don't think it was like Wagon Wheel, but call it Wagon Wheel. But exactly to your point, it's like this song didn't get a bazillion plays for no reason.
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Drew
Right. Things are popular for a reason.
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Wes MacMillan
I know it's like, oh, you're seriously playing this song? It's so overplayed. I'm like, this song is overplayed because it's fucking amazing.
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Drew
exactly No, exactly.
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Wes MacMillan
And people like hate on what's popular, but it's like, shut up. I hate you.
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Drew
Yeah. Also, you probably secretly like it, even if you're hating on it.
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Wes MacMillan
yeah
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Drew
like Again, it's popular for a reason. like It has a billion listens. Whatever. I hate that. um All right. Segueing. what are your Okay, this isn't a deep thought, but I think it actually is very important.
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Wes MacMillan
Let it rip.
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Drew
What are your thoughts on karaoke? Because I...
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Wes MacMillan
Karaoke? Yeah, i fucking love karaoke.
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Drew
I actually think karaoke is one of those things that really is like, it shows your character. If you're willing to go up and look stupid and like look like an idiot, because nobody looks good or sounds good.
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Drew
And if you do, then you're trying too hard.
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Wes MacMillan
Except for me, but yeah.
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Drew
fucking love karaoke. I think, yeah, I think that's a true test of character. If people are willing to like go and sing karaoke.
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Wes MacMillan
I wish, I agree. And I wish it was like at every bar, every night.
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Drew
Yeah, it's like niche.
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Wes MacMillan
Yeah.
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Drew
Like, it's a niche thing. and it's always on like a Tuesday at like, like 1am. At least like the bars I go to. Like, yeah.
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Wes MacMillan
I know. the one near here, it's like Wednesday. I'm like, I'm not going out on Wednesday anymore.
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Drew
Yeah. a Yeah. There was a time when I would, but
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Wes MacMillan
But it's it's always great because it's either like someone who it's like, Jesus Christ, they're really good at singing.
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Drew
Yeah.
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Drew
Yeah.
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Wes MacMillan
Or it's like someone's singing a great song.
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Wes MacMillan
Or it's like someone's singing a weird ass song. And it's like like, let your freak flag fly.
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Drew
Yeah. No, exactly.
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Wes MacMillan
That's another thing I forget. It doesn't even fucking matter. But I used to like kind of what we were saying, like I would hate like corny people. I would hate like cringe.
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Drew
Yeah.
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Wes MacMillan
That's that's what it is like.
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Drew
yeah
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Wes MacMillan
Cringe.
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Wes MacMillan
If you boil it down, cringe. What what is cringe?
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Drew
I know.
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Wes MacMillan
I mean, I don't like that.
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Drew
Everybody's a different...
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Wes MacMillan
Oh.
00:07:26
Drew
Yeah, I know. It's kind of like... i don't know like i do consider myself kind of an embarrassing person but like i just like see things and i'm like oh my god like i just got secondhand embarrassment from that like oh man like i'd hate to be here right now but then i'm like they're just being their self like i can't like i'm jealous but also i would hate that like yeah
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Wes MacMillan
yeah
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Wes MacMillan
this
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Wes MacMillan
I know.
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Wes MacMillan
it is such It's such a weird balance because theoretically, it's like people like people who are cringe are like the best people. They're like not afraid to be themselves.
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Wes MacMillan
But at the same time, it can be like, oh, yeah.
00:08:00
Drew
yeah cool yeah like get laws yeah yeah oh yeah
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Wes MacMillan
And I don't really understand it.
00:08:09
Drew
yeah maybe be one day oh my god my biggest fear oh my biggest fear like well can i give my joke one and then my serious one
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Wes MacMillan
Drew, what's your biggest fear?
Fears and Societal Expectations
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Wes MacMillan
Absolutely.
00:08:21
Drew
Okay, my joke one i something must have happened to me when I was like a kid because this one actually doesn't make any sense. I have like a like phobia, a fear of like old photos.
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Drew
like I find them disgusting.
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Wes MacMillan
Wow.
00:08:36
Drew
I even just talk about them like my skin is crawling. So that's like my joke one. My real one is, okay, well now it's like, it went from funny to like depressing, but probably just like settling in life.
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Drew
I just find it so like scary and like, ah obviously, I mean, nobody, you know, that's pretty common. I feel like nobody wants to settle, obviously, but
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Wes MacMillan
Do you think it's necessary?
00:09:00
Drew
to settle, i don't, I absolutely don't think it's necessary.
00:09:04
Wes MacMillan
Me neither.
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Drew
I like, no. And there, that's funny that you say that. Cause there's been a lot of things, especially on like TikTok for girls. It's like, oh my God, this is so weird.
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Drew
It was like, marry the guy that loves you more. Even if you like, you like, there's a guy that out there that loved you more. I think that's horrible advice.
00:09:25
Wes MacMillan
Disgusting.
00:09:25
Drew
i think it's encouraging people to settle, especially girls. Like, no, I don't agree. I think, I don't think it's necessary at all.
00:09:34
Wes MacMillan
And I think love something, at least for me, or where it's like you're all in.
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Drew
Absolutely.
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Wes MacMillan
There is no like loving you more.
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Drew
her
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Wes MacMillan
And it's like, if you think a guy loves you more, you probably don't love that guy.
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Drew
um
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Drew
Exactly. Like you should never feel like, oh, he loves me more and it's obvious. Like it's so evident. Like, no, you should, if you both are in love, I think that's silly to like compare.
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Wes MacMillan
This is a random thought, but in my last relationship, the girl once said to me, she was like, just so you know, like, if I were to like, want to end it, I wouldn't do it like abruptly. I'd wait for like the next good guy.
00:10:10
Wes MacMillan
And I was like,
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Drew
God. All right.
00:10:13
Wes MacMillan
I will never like... 100%.
00:10:14
Drew
That's, oh my God. That sounds like somebody that, I mean, not trying to psychoanalyze her, but that she was scared of being alone. Like that.
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Wes MacMillan
home
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Drew
That's what, yeah. i'm Okay. That's horrible. God.
00:10:26
Wes MacMillan
And like, how how can you expect me to just like have my guard down after that?
00:10:29
Drew
Yeah. Oh, thanks.
00:10:32
Wes MacMillan
After that, it was like, right, I'm ready for war.
00:10:32
Drew
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. That's horrible. Yeah.
00:10:39
Wes MacMillan
and scared to be alone is a funny thing because... I like I've taken debatably too much time to heal from our last relationship.
00:10:48
Drew
so Yeah.
00:10:50
Wes MacMillan
And it's like, am I? And I'm also feel like I'm waiting for the perfect person where I
Perfection in Relationships
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Drew
I
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Wes MacMillan
don't think the perfect person exists.
00:11:00
Drew
i agree.
00:11:00
Wes MacMillan
Well, and perfection itself is.
00:11:06
Wes MacMillan
It doesn't either. It exists or it doesn't.
00:11:08
Drew
Yeah.
00:11:09
Wes MacMillan
That's profound.
00:11:10
Drew
Yeah.
00:11:11
Wes MacMillan
No, it's like, um,
00:11:12
Drew
yes we yeah
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Wes MacMillan
Like, there's there's always going to be things that you don't like about the other person. It's about, like, weighing the pros and the cons.
00:11:22
Drew
Right. Yeah. No, I totally agree. I do think that there's, I mean, obviously this is like a dumb statement. There's people better suited for you, but like, I don't know. It's so hard. Even like the last guy that I was like in love with, I like on paper, he was the most perfect person in the entire world for me. Like I was like, Oh, this guy is like my soulmate. Like I i love him.
00:11:47
Drew
And he like, just, he like, he had one character flaw that was like, he was a serial cheater. Like he was like, that's never gonna like, yeah, it's like, oh my God, you're perfect.
00:11:55
Wes MacMillan
That's a big one.
00:11:58
Drew
Oh, but like, I don't know. It's it's so interesting. I think.
00:12:04
Wes MacMillan
Have you been in love multiple times?
00:12:07
Drew
I would say I've been in love once.
00:12:10
Wes MacMillan
There.
00:12:10
Drew
Oh yeah.
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Wes MacMillan
Once.
00:12:12
Drew
Yeah.
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Wes MacMillan
Still recover.
00:12:14
Drew
Yeah, yeah, know him.
00:12:16
Wes MacMillan
It was chill though.
00:12:17
Drew
Cheers. Yeah. ahlas and Yeah. um
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Wes MacMillan
I know.
00:12:21
Drew
Yeah.
00:12:23
Wes MacMillan
What are your like deal breakers? Like serial cheater, I feel like is a pretty valid one.
00:12:28
Drew
yeah yeah Well, yeah, that's like, yeah. God, I hope that's a deal breaker for anybody. Yeah.
00:12:35
Wes MacMillan
It's not though, at least in TV shows.
00:12:38
Drew
Yeah. Seriously. I'm like, guys, get a grip. um My deal breakers. I don't I'm pretty chill. no I'm just kidding. But, um
00:12:51
Drew
like, I don't know. Okay. This is such an easy question I can't answer it. Like, yeah, go ahead.
00:12:59
Wes MacMillan
I'll go first. This sounds dumb, but like I want someone who I like really enjoy talking to because that's mostly what a relationship is.
00:13:12
Drew
Yeah.
00:13:14
Wes MacMillan
Like, the reasons people get into a relationship is, like, looks. But it's, like, looks doesn't matter much when you're going out to dinner every fucking weekend.
00:13:22
Drew
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like somebody that's your best friend.
00:13:26
Wes MacMillan
Yeah, I'm looking for my best friend.
00:13:27
Drew
Yeah. i think I think that's the most... If you're not best friends, I'm a big like friends to like lovers. like I think that's so important. I think to build like a foundation of friendship and trust is so important.
00:13:39
Wes MacMillan
I'm so big on it too, because there will be a caveat, but it's because like, you're not infatuated with them when you first meet them. So you see them who for who are the they really are before you buy in.
00:13:52
Drew
Yeah.
00:13:53
Wes MacMillan
But also it's like, normally when ah feel like it's right, it's like, it just happened.
00:13:58
Drew
Yeah.
00:13:59
Wes MacMillan
So it's not like we're going be friends first.
00:14:02
Drew
ah yeah Yeah. No, i know what you mean. Yeah.
00:14:05
Wes MacMillan
Have you, don't, I don't
Importance of Risks and Facing Fears
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Wes MacMillan
even know anyone. ah I don't know if I know anyone that's successfully done the friends to lovers thing, but people say you're in your whole friend group in your whole life.
00:14:13
Drew
It's so tricky. Either you, it works and you're successful or you aren't friends and you never speak again. Yeah. yeah So maybe, yeah, maybe it's not good.
00:14:25
Wes MacMillan
okay
00:14:27
Drew
Um,
00:14:29
Wes MacMillan
But everything involves risk. And that's probably the main theme of this podcast.
00:14:33
Drew
yeah.
00:14:34
Wes MacMillan
I was terrified. You were nervous before the podcast, but like, If you don't ever do anything you're scared of, then you will do nothing. And then you're a fucking loser.
00:14:43
Drew
Exactly. Yeah. I had to like play music to hype myself up before this. Yeah.
00:14:49
Wes MacMillan
but but my friend My friend just showed me the song Money in the Power by Kid Ink.
00:14:55
Drew
hu Yeah.
00:14:57
Wes MacMillan
Before this, I was listening to like Folk and it's fucking... and that
00:15:01
Drew
Like, no one isn't going to do it.
00:15:02
Wes MacMillan
it a
00:15:03
Drew
Yeah.
00:15:03
Wes MacMillan
It's fucking go time and I played that and it's like the most hype song of all time.
00:15:05
Drew
Yeah.
00:15:07
Wes MacMillan
i was like, okay, I can do this.
00:15:08
Drew
but Yeah.
00:15:12
Wes MacMillan
I might've said this last episode, but it's like, and I, I should look it up, but it's like, when you see fear, it's either get ready for an acronym, face everything and rise.
00:15:12
Drew
oh
00:15:26
Wes MacMillan
Or the opposite. I forget the other thing. But it's because all that's literally what I was thinking about right before we started this is like.
00:15:33
Drew
Flee everything and run.
00:15:35
Wes MacMillan
Yes.
00:15:37
Drew
I didn't hear the lips and I just made that up. I didn't hear that.
00:15:39
Wes MacMillan
What is it? What's the F?
00:15:40
Drew
I told you to say that up. Flee everything and run.
00:15:43
Wes MacMillan
You're an animal. That's fucking awesome, dude. I think that is it.
00:15:47
Drew
Let's go.
00:15:49
Wes MacMillan
And it determines your whole life because like right before this, we were nervous, but also we had every right to like be excited.
00:15:51
Drew
Yeah.
00:15:56
Drew
Yeah.
00:16:00
Wes MacMillan
You know what I mean? Like fear is just like, what if this is good?
00:16:01
Drew
yeah
00:16:04
Wes MacMillan
What if this goes bad? But we could have been excited because what if this goes right?
00:16:06
Drew
Yeah.
00:16:09
Drew
Exactly. i think about so many things too that I've done that I was nervous or like terrified for. And either, even if they sucked, okay, it's a funny story, whatever. And it's over. I never have to think about it ever again.
00:16:21
Drew
And if it was great, which most of the time it is, then i mean like there, I just faced it and I could do it again and I can do it easier this time. Like
00:16:29
Wes MacMillan
And it feels so good facing your fear.
00:16:32
Drew
does.
00:16:33
Wes MacMillan
Cause it's like, you don't control me.
00:16:35
Drew
Yeah, take that.
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Wes MacMillan
You feel like alive.
00:16:39
Drew
Yeah.
00:16:44
Drew
I agree.
Sibling Relationships
00:16:45
Drew
What is the scariest thing you've ever done?
00:16:52
Wes MacMillan
The shallow one, which is low-key valid because it was scary as fuck. I did a backflip on skis. That was terrifying.
00:16:59
Drew
my God. I've been paralyzed for life.
00:17:02
Wes MacMillan
Yeah. um And I just watched a kid try a backflip. He over-rotated and legit like landed on his neck.
00:17:08
Drew
Oh my God.
00:17:09
Wes MacMillan
And I was like, I don't i don't think I'm doing backflips anymore.
00:17:10
Drew
Okay.
00:17:12
Drew
That's yeah.
00:17:12
Wes MacMillan
ah yeah
00:17:13
Drew
Maybe don't.
00:17:13
Wes MacMillan
ah just I just joined us like a ski club here, and people are like doing double backflips off rocks.
00:17:17
Drew
Oh my
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Wes MacMillan
And I'm like...
00:17:22
Drew
God.
00:17:23
Wes MacMillan
I love to watch that, but like, I am not willing to die for this shit.
00:17:27
Drew
That's like, yeah, there's nothing in this world that I would ever do less than that. Like that's crazy.
00:17:33
Wes MacMillan
It is, it's kind of unfathomable how like, and they don't get hurt, which is something, but like,
00:17:36
Drew
Yeah.
00:17:42
Drew
Yeah, good.
00:17:44
Wes MacMillan
ah
00:17:45
Drew
I've been skiing twice and my legs like bent in ways that were not natural.
00:17:50
Wes MacMillan
It, I, I thank my parents for getting me into it when I was young. Cause it's some, it's like riding a bike for me, but, and also, but caveat, when am I, this is kind of cringe.
00:17:54
Drew
Yeah. Yeah. I'm super jealous of that.
00:18:06
Wes MacMillan
Someone in my class was like doing a group presentation and they literally on the slide was like caveat a clock.
00:18:12
Drew
Oh, no.
00:18:12
Wes MacMillan
And then, and ah
00:18:15
Drew
I'm using that.
00:18:17
Wes MacMillan
Alright caveat o'clock and I'm making. brand Now I kind of forget what I'm gonna say.
00:18:23
Drew
Sorry. Skis, backflips, soft skis.
00:18:25
Wes MacMillan
oh dude. Everyone likes skiing Colorado. And it's like, it's like a fucking thousand dollars per season.
00:18:31
Drew
Yeah.
00:18:34
Drew
Oh, my God.
00:18:34
Wes MacMillan
And I like,
00:18:36
Drew
Yeah. Sorry.
00:18:38
Wes MacMillan
And i I did it. i bought, I'm a very good, this is this is a good segue.
00:18:41
Drew
Yeah. Okay.
00:18:43
Wes MacMillan
I'm a very good skier because my brother loves skiing and I love my brother.
00:18:49
Drew
Yeah. Yeah. That's fair.
00:18:51
Wes MacMillan
I like rap music because my brother liked rap music. Like until, he's two and a half years older.
00:18:55
Drew
i will do brother.
00:18:59
Drew
okay. My, I have a half years older or brother too.
00:19:00
Wes MacMillan
well Two and a half. Let's go.
00:19:04
Drew
And I have a younger brother, a middle.
00:19:06
Wes MacMillan
How do you like... All right, I'll go first and then we'll we'll talk about how to get
00:19:09
Drew
Okay, go
00:19:13
Wes MacMillan
Like, until my brother left our house, I was just like... Colin Jr. Like I listened to the music he listened to. ah i skied because he skied. i like when you're a little sibling, like that's your hero.
00:19:30
Drew
Yeah.
00:19:30
Wes MacMillan
My brother doesn't even believe me because my parents are like, he looks up to you so much.
00:19:30
Drew
Yeah. Yeah.
00:19:35
Wes MacMillan
My brother's like, no, he doesn't.
00:19:37
Drew
but
00:19:37
Wes MacMillan
I didn't even say anything because in my mind I was like, how how do you not know that you're my fucking hero?
00:19:41
Drew
Yeah.
00:19:43
Drew
Yeah.
00:19:46
Drew
That's really sweet.
00:19:48
Wes MacMillan
And when I got to college, I was like, what do I do?
00:19:48
Drew
That's like.
00:19:52
Wes MacMillan
My brother's not here.
00:19:52
Drew
Yeah.
00:19:53
Wes MacMillan
I have to be my own person.
00:19:54
Drew
What music do I like?
00:19:56
Wes MacMillan
And it was real it was like, I don't know who I am.
00:20:00
Drew
Yeah.
00:20:00
Wes MacMillan
hope I'm someone who loves my brother. All right.
00:20:03
Drew
Yeah.
00:20:03
Wes MacMillan
How does it feel being middle-sippling?
00:20:06
Drew
it it's really funny that you like talk about it like that. I think, I think the whole sibling dynamic is so interesting. So i my older brother is Preston. He's two year, two and a half years older than me.
00:20:17
Drew
And my younger Tim is 18 months. We're both, I'm two grades apart from both though.
00:20:22
Wes MacMillan
Yeah.
00:20:23
Drew
um growing up they could not have given less of a shit about me like if like at all they were best friends which was i i'm kind of okay with that now because that's what forced me to like make all my friends and i do pride myself on having like very good friends like i just i don't know i love my friends they're amazing
00:20:27
Wes MacMillan
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:20:41
Drew
But yeah, they did their own thing, whatever. They were like, go kick rocks. And then as soon as I went to college, my brother Preston, he was a junior when I was a freshman. on We became close.
00:20:53
Drew
Cause like, you know, like he's out of the house. Like I kind of understand him more.
00:20:56
Wes MacMillan
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:20:57
Drew
And he went to Pitt. I went to Penn State. So we weren't, it's not like I was seeing him a ton, but still like we're both college age. And then my younger brother, Tim, when I was a junior, he was a freshman.
00:21:09
Drew
He went to Penn State. And like for the first time in my life, I was like, oh my God, I'm actually friends with my brothers. Like, this is so cool. Like, it's so fun, which I had never had before. And yeah, I'm grateful. I think also my people are like, how was being the middle child? What was that like?
Middle Child Dynamics
00:21:25
Drew
like I was the only girl. It's not like if I was a boy, it would have been different. like it totally I didn't get the whole like forgotten middle child.
00:21:28
Wes MacMillan
Yeah.
00:21:30
Drew
like now I was a girl, so it was different.
00:21:32
Wes MacMillan
You're the princess.
00:21:33
Drew
But Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. so yeah
00:21:37
Wes MacMillan
Similar thing happened with my brother, and this is of funny. i Every day, we'd finish um school and come home, and we he'd ask me, instead of like asking each other to go on the trampoline, we'd just be like, tramp?
00:21:53
Wes MacMillan
And if i said if i want if I said yes, I'd go yamp, and if I said no, I'd say namp.
00:21:58
Drew
Yeah. Uh-huh.
00:22:01
Wes MacMillan
But I'd always say yeah, because he was my fucking hero.
00:22:03
Drew
Yes. Yeah.
00:22:04
Wes MacMillan
And we'd go on the trampoline. And we had like, there was a basketball hoop on the trampoline. And every day we would play trampoline basketball. And like every day it would end in a fight.
00:22:15
Wes MacMillan
And we did it for like years.
00:22:15
Drew
Yeah.
00:22:18
Wes MacMillan
And we like never saw the pattern.
Desire for Diverse Experiences
00:22:20
Wes MacMillan
And we just did it. was He'd like yell at me because I was bouncing too high. But like, dude, I was like the little brother.
00:22:25
Drew
yeah
00:22:27
Wes MacMillan
How the fuck else am I going score?
00:22:28
Drew
yeah Yeah. He's like sending you to the moon.
00:22:33
Wes MacMillan
But yeah, I think a lot of people, like once the sibling leaves, then you kind of like have the space.
00:22:37
Drew
Yeah.
00:22:39
Wes MacMillan
It's like, oh I don't hate you. Stop.
00:22:41
Drew
Yeah. They're actually kind of cool. Like I didn't know.
00:22:44
Drew
Yeah.
00:22:44
Wes MacMillan
I know.
00:22:45
Wes MacMillan
And people, i i've had I've had friends. But like my hometown friends, it's almost like we're family.
00:22:54
Drew
Yeah.
00:22:55
Wes MacMillan
And I don't know.
00:22:56
Drew
Yeah, okay. yeah
00:22:58
Wes MacMillan
I have friends here. and it's like, we're friends. You know what I mean?
00:23:02
Drew
Yeah. Yeah, it's different. I mean, you've also been there for how long?
00:23:08
Wes MacMillan
Less than six months.
00:23:10
Drew
Okay. So I think that's, you know, fair. But I do understand what you mean.
00:23:13
Wes MacMillan
And matt Matt Boyle, shout out Matt Boyle.
00:23:15
Drew
Yeah. Hey, Matt. Yeah.
00:23:17
Wes MacMillan
He was like, I remember after our first semester, like he went, the school like closed down because of COVID.
00:23:27
Drew
Yeah.
00:23:27
Wes MacMillan
And Matt was kind of the only one who went home because the rest of us, like we said, there was a forum. It's like, that I can't go home for him. And I literally was like, bad wifi.
00:23:37
Drew
Yeah.
00:23:38
Wes MacMillan
And they were like, you can stay.
00:23:39
Drew
Mm-hmm.
00:23:40
Wes MacMillan
was like, fuck yeah. And my whole, and like everyone i knew, which at that time was not that many people did that.
00:23:46
Drew
yeah
00:23:48
Wes MacMillan
But Matt went home and it was like, oh, see you later, Matt. And it was like, and by the end of college, by the end, not even by the end of college, by the end of freshman year, it was like, I love you and you're my brother.
00:23:57
Drew
yeah
00:24:00
Drew
Yeah. No, yeah.
00:24:02
Wes MacMillan
We literally, we sat on our dorm room floor and it's like, where are we going to move after college?
00:24:08
Drew
Yeah.
00:24:09
Wes MacMillan
And we settled on like Hawaii.
00:24:09
Drew
Oh.
00:24:11
Wes MacMillan
Now we don't live in Hawaii.
00:24:11
Drew
okay Yeah.
00:24:14
Drew
Guys are young. could be in Honolulu in a year. Who knows?
00:24:18
Wes MacMillan
ah Yeah, one year Honolulu, that's fun.
00:24:19
Drew
That's crazy. Yeah.
00:24:22
Wes MacMillan
But that's so sad.
00:24:24
Drew
ah Yeah. No, it is sad. i know. like, oh my God. If I think about college too much, I start to like not do well. i just can't believe that like, what?
00:24:35
Wes MacMillan
i Go ahead.
00:24:38
Drew
i just can't fathom that like I went, was so excited. i went and now it's done. And like, I think it's different because I'm also like back at home. Like I'm to live at home for probably like, i don't know, hopefully not much longer, yeah.
00:24:52
Drew
Like, and now I'm just back. Like, I can't believe I had a whole life. ah This is also not anything new. I'm sure every post-grad has ever felt like this, but yeah.
00:25:00
Wes MacMillan
Yeah, but people don't talk about it.
00:25:02
Drew
Yeah.
00:25:02
Wes MacMillan
and I also, i was like ready to graduate because like, I don't know.
00:25:06
Drew
Yeah.
00:25:10
Wes MacMillan
I love my friends, but like we were going to the same bar every like multiple times a weekend.
00:25:15
Drew
Yeah.
00:25:15
Wes MacMillan
Like where I went to college, it was just like a small town. And I, I liked, I loved it. I liked it.
00:25:21
Drew
Yeah.
00:25:22
Wes MacMillan
Cause it's just like such a weird time. i was like, I don't know who I am.
00:25:25
Drew
yeah
00:25:26
Wes MacMillan
My big brother's not here. And then all this.
00:25:27
Drew
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Where does your brother, or what does he do now?
00:25:29
Wes MacMillan
And then.
00:25:32
Drew
Like, where is he?
00:25:32
Wes MacMillan
dude, he's a paid fly fishing guide. And I was just talking about this with probably my best friend, Oscar, one of my best friends.
00:25:36
Drew
Oh, my God.
00:25:41
Drew
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:25:43
Wes MacMillan
And I was saying like, the man who likes to walk will walk farther than the man who is walking somewhere. It's like my brother, like he eat, sleeps and breathes fly fishing.
00:25:55
Wes MacMillan
And that's, that's,
00:25:55
Drew
That's so cool. That's so, that's a niche thing.
00:25:59
Wes MacMillan
I know. But dude, like, we'll go to family dinners and he's like, I got this trout.
00:26:03
Drew
Yeah.
00:26:05
Wes MacMillan
la And it's like, he's it's he's obsessed with it. and
00:26:10
Drew
yeah
00:26:11
Wes MacMillan
But that's not a bad thing because if you have an obsession, like, it's hard.
Passion and Career Success
00:26:18
Wes MacMillan
It's scary. But I feel like you can absolutely make it if you, like, follow the path.
00:26:22
Drew
Oh, yeah. If you're passionate about something, no matter what it is, I think you're bound to be successful with it.
00:26:27
Wes MacMillan
Which is like every, like, that means you don't have to like do something you don't like, which is everything.
00:26:34
Drew
Yeah. No, that's that's the dream. That's literally the dream. You like flashbacks?
00:26:39
Wes MacMillan
This podcast is kind of my dream.
00:26:42
Drew
Yeah. I mean, yeah. I'm very... I have so many logistics questions that I don't know. I don't know if they're...
00:26:48
Wes MacMillan
Let them rip. We'll make them funny.
00:26:49
Drew
Well, yeah. um So, like, what do you, how do you, like, make it podcast? Like, do you just search?
00:27:00
Drew
like Like, I'm, like, talking from the ground up.
00:27:01
Wes MacMillan
Dude, it Dude, if you listen the first episode, I literally recorded it on voice memos in Matt Boyle's Facebook.
00:27:03
Drew
what What was the first thing you did?
00:27:12
Drew
wait, yeah.
00:27:14
Drew
I'm in my ah oils basement.
00:27:14
Wes MacMillan
I was like, we're just going to figure it out.
00:27:16
Drew
Yeah.
00:27:19
Wes MacMillan
And that, I love that fucking mentality because look at us now.
00:27:19
Drew
Yeah.
00:27:22
Drew
Yeah. Yeah. Here you are.
00:27:25
Wes MacMillan
And dude, it was so fucking easy. I literally made the voice memo and then I probably just Googled. i was like, how do I make a pop? But I probably took me less than five minutes to get it on Spotify.
00:27:37
Wes MacMillan
If you have a Spotify account, Spotify or Apple music.
00:27:39
Drew
Yeah. Oh, come on.
00:27:42
Drew
Oh, Spotify. I'm not. Yeah. Come on.
00:27:45
Wes MacMillan
should have known.
00:27:46
Drew
Yeah. thought Yeah.
00:27:48
Wes MacMillan
all right. Any other logistic number two?
00:27:52
Drew
Okay, logistic see number two. This isn't important, but I'm kind of curious.
00:27:56
Wes MacMillan
Nothing's important.
00:27:58
Drew
Do you make any money from it?
00:28:00
Wes MacMillan
No, not yet. I probably could.
00:28:02
Drew
When it blows up, you'll get sponsor tips.
00:28:04
Wes MacMillan
Yeah. Inevitably when it blows
00:28:06
Drew
Yeah. i was traveling last week for work, and I downloaded two things. I downloaded Call Her Daddy and then Your Most Reasoned.
00:28:17
Wes MacMillan
Yes. that pay I'm on par with Caller Daddy. I don't care.
00:28:21
Drew
Yeah.
00:28:22
Wes MacMillan
Fuck you, Alex Cooper.
00:28:23
Drew
and Alex Cooper occupying the top spot.
00:28:25
Wes MacMillan
Alex Cooper and Wes McMillan.
00:28:28
Drew
Yeah.
00:28:29
Wes MacMillan
But, dude, like, I don't even know, like, why I have, like, the balls to do something like this.
00:28:29
Drew
Yeah. Yeah.
00:28:38
Wes MacMillan
It's just kind of like my fuck it factor is, like, so low.
00:28:41
Drew
yeah
00:28:42
Wes MacMillan
Because, like, I'm, like, i i have anxiety. It's, like, I'm scared to do, like, a lot of things. But I'm um very good at ripping the
Origin of the Podcast
00:28:51
Wes MacMillan
Band-Aid off.
00:28:51
Drew
Yeah, that's impressive. That's something I wish I had.
00:28:55
Wes MacMillan
Because I was in my, Matt Boyle, one of my but best friends from college basement, hungover.
00:28:55
Drew
that's
00:29:01
Wes MacMillan
And I literally like, I was like, am I about to do this?
00:29:02
Drew
awesome.
00:29:04
Wes MacMillan
And I was literally just like staring at the red button.
00:29:05
Drew
Mm-hmm.
00:29:06
Wes MacMillan
And I was like, I am not going to let this red button win. and i yeah And I started talking.
00:29:11
Drew
leave to re now that's awesome
00:29:15
Wes MacMillan
And this is probably the corniest quote I've ever heard. But it's like, share your light with the world.
00:29:21
Drew
No, okay, out but like, yeah,
00:29:22
Wes MacMillan
ah ah
00:29:28
Wes MacMillan
But it's true.
00:29:28
Drew
that one hurts, but yeah, it's right, it's true.
00:29:33
Wes MacMillan
And no one does. People just like let the world water them down.
00:29:35
Drew
yeah
00:29:38
Drew
i know,
00:29:39
Wes MacMillan
And then it makes me so sad.
00:29:40
Drew
ah
00:29:43
Drew
i know. we My friends and I talk a lot about like how we're different people at work, at home, with each other. but ah like, i think about my friends and like their peak and like, wait, I kind of don't know where I was going with this.
00:30:02
Wes MacMillan
You have good conversations with your friends. It's... And at the end of the day, like, yeah, it's like you have your work.
00:30:13
Wes MacMillan
You can call it a mask. or You can call it, like, your work personality. But if you call it your work personality, then you're fucking lying.
00:30:19
Drew
yeah
00:30:20
Wes MacMillan
it's It's like a mask.
00:30:21
Drew
No, it is. Oh my god, it is.
00:30:22
Wes MacMillan
And, like, philosophers back in, like, England, it's like, you're always wearing a mask, which is interesting. Like, even... Maybe not when you're by yourself.
00:30:33
Drew
Yeah.
00:30:34
Wes MacMillan
I don't know. I hate being by myself.
00:30:35
Drew
don't know.
00:30:36
Wes MacMillan
It's scary.
00:30:37
Drew
Me too. I'm bored. I'm like, I don't know what I'm doing. i start thinking too much.
00:30:41
Wes MacMillan
Yeah, it's...
00:30:42
Drew
I'm not good with silence. Like I've never been good with silence. I always say I've never had an an uncomfortable or a comfortable silence. Like that's just not part of my, like that's not, no.
00:30:48
Wes MacMillan
Yeah, we...
00:30:51
Drew
It's either uncomfortable or it's not silent.
00:30:52
Wes MacMillan
have We We have to work on that because...
00:30:58
Drew
Yeah. No, I know. That's a very, that's not good. I know that's not a good thing.
00:31:02
Wes MacMillan
No, but I am 100% in the same boat. There is nothing i hate more than like awkwardness.
00:31:05
Drew
Yeah. Yeah.
00:31:08
Wes MacMillan
It makes me want to pass away.
00:31:08
Drew
Oh my God. like except and Yeah. It's just so hard. Like even I'd like, I'll just start like, like I'm a big, like hummer or like like, like, and my friends are shut the fuck up. Like you don't need to be like making noise and humming. I'm like, I literally can't sit in a silence. Like it makes me so uncomfortable.
00:31:27
Drew
I just can't do it, which is, that's all me.
00:31:27
Wes MacMillan
then
00:31:29
Drew
Like I, it's, it has everything to do with me and nothing to do with the person I'm with, but like, I just can't do it.
00:31:36
Wes MacMillan
And I like um meditate, which is like sitting alone with your thoughts.
00:31:41
Drew
here
00:31:41
Wes MacMillan
And I love that because, i don't know, I've been doing it for a long time and it does something good for me. But if I'm like not meditating and I'm alone, it's like this, like my my brain's a mean guy.
00:31:47
Drew
yeah it well yeah
00:31:53
Wes MacMillan
I'll be watching this show and it's like, you're seriously not going out? It's like, bro, I'm trying to watch this show.
00:32:01
Drew
leave me alone yeah yeah that's okay how long have you been meditating
00:32:03
Wes MacMillan
That's awesome.
00:32:08
Wes MacMillan
I actually just kind of stopped, but I made it a whole year every day, which is,
00:32:11
Drew
Wow. Why did you stop? Was it just like got busy or like wasn't working?
00:32:23
Wes MacMillan
I'd probably say what it really is, is like, there's so many, and this is like, I don't know, this is what it is. There's like so many different like ways you can do it that I just like, I'd be meditating and I'd be like,
00:32:38
Wes MacMillan
I should be doing it the other way.
00:32:39
Drew
Yeah. Yeah.
00:32:40
Wes MacMillan
but like It's so easy and like anyone who knows anything about meditating and be like, watch that thought and let it disappear.
00:32:49
Drew
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:32:51
Wes MacMillan
But I don't know. didn't get it past it.
00:32:55
Drew
I think that's...
00:32:55
Wes MacMillan
And I still, I like, I went skiing last weekend and I didn't have any like
00:32:56
Drew
Yeah.
00:33:02
Wes MacMillan
I didn't even really have like a bed. There was like no alone time.
00:33:04
Drew
Yeah.
00:33:06
Wes MacMillan
So like when we were like driving to the mountain, it was like a 30 minute drive. I was like, all right, I'm go pretend like asleep and meditate.
00:33:12
Drew
yeah
00:33:12
Wes MacMillan
yeah And one other time I just like laid on someone's bed and meditate.
00:33:16
Drew
yell
00:33:16
Wes MacMillan
They were literally like one of the kids is like putting chips on me while I was meditating. was like, I'm just gonna fucking roll it.
00:33:22
Drew
what go for it let them yeah yeah
00:33:25
Wes MacMillan
That is all you can do in life. Life is like a wave and you can either like ride it and sometimes you'll fall off, but you can like ride it again or you can get fucking trampled by the waves.
00:33:33
Drew
yeah
00:33:36
Drew
yeah
00:33:37
Wes MacMillan
Because I was literally meditating because like I needed like some fucking Zen and this fucking putting chips on me.
00:33:41
Drew
yeah yeah
00:33:45
Wes MacMillan
and i there was two directions. I could like, and no part of me was going to freak out. I'm umm very proud of like the progress I've made with just like the, it is what it is.
00:33:50
Drew
you
00:33:56
Drew
Yeah, no, that's so important. I think if you can also just like laugh at certain things, it can, it changes so much.
00:34:01
Wes MacMillan
Yeah.
00:34:02
Drew
Not even laugh, but like, oh, like let it roll off your back. It changes so much.
00:34:08
Wes MacMillan
Yeah. And
00:34:11
Wes MacMillan
Two ways we could go here. One, um we're just going this way. philosopher I took a philosophy class and one the that people were, I don't i don't know anything.
00:34:23
Wes MacMillan
Like I don't remember any names. I just like, just like paraphrased the idea.
00:34:26
Drew
Yeah, you a gist. Yeah.
00:34:31
Wes MacMillan
But they're like, life is absurd. And like, you can either get mad or you can laugh at it. And I have always laughed at it. And I think I don't know what I'd do if I got.
00:34:40
Drew
Yeah,
00:34:41
Wes MacMillan
And it's obviously sometimes I'm like, what the fuck is going on?
00:34:45
Drew
yeah. yeah
00:34:45
Wes MacMillan
Like, in general, when something's just, and maybe.
00:34:53
Wes MacMillan
yeah maybe I don't do this every time. But every time I do it, it's just like, amazing. Because you can, you just like, let it go.
Letting Go of Anger
00:35:01
Drew
Yeah.
00:35:02
Wes MacMillan
Like something can make you so incredibly mad for like a week or more, or it's nothing.
00:35:09
Drew
Yeah. Yeah. I also think about times where I've seen, like, I don't even know, two people having an argument or one person does something and the other person reacts and they're so mad and so angry and everybody else in the room is like, my God, that's so awkward. like that Like, it's so uncomfortable. And, like, I understand. Sometimes it's justified, you know. Sometimes you're just mad and I think you're allowed to be mad. That's not my point. But
00:35:34
Wes MacMillan
Yeah, you're allowed to be mad, but i I had a similar scenario a couple months ago and it's like, are you a child?
00:35:37
Drew
most of the time, yeah.
00:35:42
Drew
Yeah, I'm like, oh my god, I look like, it's like daycare.
00:35:43
Wes MacMillan
i
00:35:45
Drew
I'm watching like two toddlers. Yeah.
00:35:47
Wes MacMillan
I didn't like, i like i couldn't believe what was happening. Like someone was so like in their feelings and I was like, brother, not that deep.
00:35:57
Drew
Yeah. It's not that deep.
00:35:58
Wes MacMillan
Yeah.
00:35:59
Drew
Seriously.
00:36:01
Wes MacMillan
Something that's interesting is that if you, and this is, I, my therapist was literally like, you should cut the philosophy shit out.
00:36:09
Drew
the fuck?
00:36:09
Wes MacMillan
It is not helping you. But I, I'm not stopping the podcast.
00:36:14
Drew
No, don't. Yeah.
00:36:14
Wes MacMillan
um yeah i'll I'll let it, I'll let it be what it is.
00:36:18
Drew
What do they know?
00:36:20
Wes MacMillan
Fuck my head.
00:36:22
Wes MacMillan
But he was like, cut it out. And I was like, no But no, I am listening to him, but I'm absolutely not stopping the podcast. The podcast, like, it's awesome.
00:36:36
Drew
yeah
00:36:37
Wes MacMillan
And, but his point was one, which I really has been sticking with me and I love it. It's like, fuck hypotheticals.
00:36:46
Drew
I like that.
00:36:47
Wes MacMillan
It's like, because I can get so deep into it where it's like, I would sound like a pretentious douchebag.
00:36:53
Drew
Yeah.
00:36:53
Wes MacMillan
like Like, my family only matters to me because they're my family. Like, if I was you, they wouldn't be.
00:36:58
Drew
Yeah.
00:36:59
Wes MacMillan
I'm like, well, you are you. That's what you said to me.
00:37:01
Drew
Yeah. i agree
00:37:02
Wes MacMillan
And for some reason, I was like, you're so right.
00:37:06
Drew
You're so right.
00:37:07
Wes MacMillan
Like, I've been acting like a fucking idiot.
00:37:09
Drew
Yeah.
00:37:11
Wes MacMillan
Where do you get with hypotheticals? Nothing. And also, so like, I...
00:37:13
Drew
Exactly.
00:37:16
Wes MacMillan
i I don't really know why I like the philosophy stuff so much, but I'm sure it's like because it helps me.
00:37:24
Drew
who
00:37:25
Wes MacMillan
And I was getting to the point where it's like, I don't even care if it helps me. I just want to know the truth.
00:37:30
Drew
see Yeah.
00:37:32
Wes MacMillan
But the truth, and i I, fuck it. I got to the truth, and the truth is that we're the universe experiencing itself. The truth is that thoughts are the cause of all suffering.
00:37:43
Wes MacMillan
So it's like, you're not going to think your way out of this one, bud.
00:37:46
Drew
Yeah. There's no way.
00:37:48
Wes MacMillan
Which is so unfathomable.
00:37:52
Drew
Yeah. Yeah.
00:37:52
Wes MacMillan
But it is what it is.
00:37:55
Drew
My head hurts. I know. it literally is. I know.
00:37:58
Wes MacMillan
That's my mantra.
00:37:58
Drew
i yeah.
00:38:00
Wes MacMillan
You know that video where it's like the guy going, EDs, what EDs?
00:38:04
Drew
Yeah. yeah
00:38:06
Wes MacMillan
That's my mantra.
00:38:07
Drew
Yeah.
00:38:08
Wes MacMillan
I love that guy.
00:38:08
Drew
It's a good one.
00:38:09
Wes MacMillan
Do you have a mantra?
00:38:12
Drew
My mantra. Wait, I kind of have some like written down. Hold on.
00:38:17
Wes MacMillan
Fuck yeah.
00:38:18
Drew
I'm a big no tap girl.
00:38:20
Wes MacMillan
Dude, I live in my notes app.
00:38:23
Drew
I love no tap. Oh my god.
00:38:24
Wes MacMillan
One time, is a caveat, a caveat of clock while you're searching. Some one time people were like, I bet I have more alarms than you.
00:38:28
Drew
god.
00:38:32
Wes MacMillan
And I was like, buddy.
00:38:33
Drew
Yeah, that's insane.
00:38:35
Wes MacMillan
And we went and they scrolled for like one second and they were done.
00:38:35
Drew
ah
00:38:39
Wes MacMillan
I'm not kidding. i had an alarm for every fucking minute of this day.
00:38:43
Drew
um slide yeah that's insane
00:38:47
Wes MacMillan
I'm just like, i I'm like, I need my phone or I like,
00:38:52
Drew
Oh my God. My flake, yeah.
00:38:55
Wes MacMillan
Like some people like have a phone.
00:38:55
Drew
so
00:38:57
Wes MacMillan
Me is like, I don't, I couldn't get by in this world without, I need my notes app bad.
00:38:58
Drew
Is me.
00:39:02
Wes MacMillan
and need my alarms bad. and need my reminders bad.
00:39:04
Drew
Oh my God.
00:39:06
Wes MacMillan
Caveat o'clock part two.
00:39:08
Drew
yeah
00:39:09
Wes MacMillan
my the wagon
00:39:10
Drew
I'm using, i'm literally using that.
00:39:12
Wes MacMillan
The way my dad uses Siri is so fucking funny.
00:39:16
Drew
No, stop. Parents is like, my dad's a big like, like flashlight in the restaurant guy and like voice text. I'm like, Oh my God.
00:39:26
Drew
Like I'll text him for you, bro. Like you don't need to do that.
00:39:30
Wes MacMillan
I know, he's like, text brother. I'm like, bro, who are you?
00:39:33
Drew
Yeah.
00:39:35
Drew
It also takes longer. i swear to God to voice text it than to just sit, like search it yourself.
00:39:41
Wes MacMillan
yeah
00:39:41
Drew
Yeah.
00:39:42
Wes MacMillan
and I'll look at him, he's like, what? Like, bro, you...
00:39:48
Drew
I'm jealous of like the like lack of shame I feel like that the older generations have like I am like if I were to do that like if I was just standing in a store and I was like text like I would be like text like I could not be like text like Wes like I could never do that like I'd be oh my god so jealous yeah no
00:39:53
Wes MacMillan
Yes, absolutely.
00:40:06
Wes MacMillan
I'd throw up. I'd throw up on my phone. But i i also 100% envy just like the – how do you feel about growing up with technology?
00:40:18
Drew
i will say, i think we were kind of in a solid sweet spot where it was before the time of, you know, like iPad kids and all that. So at least for me, like, I don't know, I didn't have a ton of technology. And like, I look back, we have like our home videos that were on like our VCR or whatever.
Technology's Impact on Growth
00:40:39
Drew
and then i got my, like, I got an iPod shuffle, like the little, like one by one, like piece of dirt.
00:40:44
Wes MacMillan
We, it's, easy I spent a lot of, one, grass is always greener. Two, maybe I'll explain this one later. Maybe I won't. No matter where you go, there you are. Three, like we kind of grew up in the dopest age of technology. Like we had the iPod shuffle.
00:41:03
Wes MacMillan
We had the fucking like slide phones.
00:41:04
Drew
Yeah. Yeah. My first film was surprise.
00:41:07
Wes MacMillan
We had, ever and
00:41:09
Drew
Yeah. And it was not where it like mess with us yet.
00:41:10
Wes MacMillan
like
00:41:14
Drew
Like the kids now I'm like, Oh my God. Thank fucking God.
00:41:16
Wes MacMillan
it
00:41:16
Drew
Yeah.
00:41:16
Wes MacMillan
I think it messes with us a lot. Like compared to like adults, I think so.
00:41:20
Drew
Yeah.
00:41:23
Wes MacMillan
But yeah, the kid, the generation now, if you're listening, you are fucked.
00:41:23
Drew
Yeah.
00:41:28
Drew
Yeah. Go fucking riddance.
00:41:31
Wes MacMillan
Like I, And maybe they'll be all right, but they probably won't because the incident they literally can't even watch movies because they're like, why would I watch a movie when I could go on YouTube
00:41:43
Drew
Yeah. I scroll on YouTube kids, but they have like foam coming out of their mouth. Like, yeah. Yeah.
00:41:49
Wes MacMillan
And if they're like, they're not wrong, but like,
00:41:53
Drew
I feel bad for them, honestly.
00:41:55
Wes MacMillan
if I was babysitting a kid and he was like, why would I watch a movie? I have YouTube shorts.
00:42:00
Drew
Yeah,
00:42:00
Wes MacMillan
I'd pick up that kid
00:42:02
Drew
football.
00:42:03
Wes MacMillan
I'd pick up that kid and I'd throw him in river.
00:42:08
Drew
Even like, don't know if they're big on TikTok, but i'm I love TikTok. Yeah.
00:42:12
Wes MacMillan
I am so fucking back and forth. Like I delete it and then I'm like, why did I delete this?
00:42:15
Drew
it yeah
00:42:17
Wes MacMillan
This is the best thing ever.
00:42:18
Drew
yeah it's like I deleted it and when like the ban happened. like I like fully deleted it and I was distraught. like I was like sick, which was probably... That should have been a wake-up call.
00:42:29
Drew
But... Like...
00:42:30
Wes MacMillan
yeah And you don't think work comes down.
00:42:34
Drew
like um it's called but even like on tiktok it's like fifth grade girls and they're like get ready with me for first day of fifth grade and they are like they have a million products of makeup on i'm like oh my god in fifth grade i literally looked like a fucking like thumb on the street like it was like it's no it was the best thing ever i'm so glad like i had that think it would be so
00:42:56
Wes MacMillan
And you don't regret it. It was awesome.
00:43:01
Wes MacMillan
We, yeah, my middle school, it's like we wore so much like neon and vineyard vines. And like, I literally would wear like neon socks and Sperry's and people were like,
00:43:11
Drew
Yeah. Like it was cool. It was so cool.
00:43:15
Wes MacMillan
And I miss that. You know what else I miss that I never actually experienced because the grass is always greener? Like, people used to have, like, debates. But now it's just, like, Google it, debate over.
00:43:26
Drew
Yeah. There's not really a lot of room for like open thought.
00:43:31
Wes MacMillan
No. And if you're a fifth-grade girl doing get ready with me, like, you should text me, and I'll throw you in a river.
00:43:34
Drew
No, it's scary. It's
00:43:40
Wes MacMillan
Because... That's actually something we've talked, I've talked about on the pod. i Every time I say like pod, it's like, oh, you have a podcast.
00:43:49
Drew
the right to say that.
00:43:51
Wes MacMillan
It's like, I'm so, I'm so deeply ashamed and embarrassed of it.
00:43:52
Drew
miss Yeah.
00:43:57
Wes MacMillan
But it's like, And it's kind of what we were talking about before. It's like, I'll figure it out. Like, say you get thrown in a river.
00:44:05
Drew
yeah
00:44:08
Wes MacMillan
It's do or die. You have no choice but to swim. And that YouTube short little fuck is probably going to get to the side of the river and be like, I'm alive.
00:44:11
Drew
yeah
00:44:20
Wes MacMillan
i'm i'm more than just a YouTube short watcher.
00:44:28
Drew
Oh my God. He needs that. I know he's out there somewhere. He's probably listening to this right now.
00:44:35
Wes MacMillan
I'm going to start looking for kids.
00:44:37
Drew
Yeah.
00:44:39
Wes MacMillan
That sounds so bad.
00:44:42
Drew
Can that be the title?
00:44:44
Wes MacMillan
right. So yeah i know absolutely I feel like I wish like you could just make jokes and you sort of can, but I'm sort like if this podcast doesn't blow up, going to go.
00:44:58
Drew
ah Yeah, no, yeah, then you're fucked.
00:45:00
Wes MacMillan
Yeah, then I'm so cooked. All right, but were we'll go back to the other quote, no matter where you go, there you are. And I think that's very true.
00:45:08
Drew
Love that. Mm-hmm.
00:45:10
Wes MacMillan
Like so many people are like, oh, I'm gonna transfer and everything's gonna be perfect. No, it's not.
00:45:17
Drew
Yeah. Probably not.
00:45:18
Wes MacMillan
And like, I, like where, I'll say it. I'll say it. Where you live does not, I mean, it's different, but it doesn't matter that much.
00:45:30
Wes MacMillan
It's like, no matter where you go, there you are. Like, it's mostly you.
00:45:35
Drew
Yeah, it's you. It's the way that you interact with people and the way that you build relationships.
Value of Friendship
00:45:40
Drew
I think the way you are at one school versus another or even one city versus another is like, that's just you.
00:45:46
Drew
If you can't make friends in Philadelphia, you're there's what are the chances you're going to make friends in Boston? Like, I don't know.
00:45:54
Wes MacMillan
I love how much matt and probably you love Philadelphia.
00:46:00
Drew
I actually funny. I love Philly. I love it. I think this is where I want to end up. i know for a fact I'm like big on Boston. That's where I want to go for like at least like.
00:46:09
Wes MacMillan
and But i'm I'm in the same boat, but keep going.
00:46:13
Drew
ah No, that's pretty much it. I love Philly. I want to come back here. I do just think it's like. You have Philly, which the city itself is amazing. You have New York, which is two hours away, the Jersey Shore.
00:46:23
Wes MacMillan
Yeah.
00:46:25
Drew
You have DC, which is, you know, less than three hours. I just think it's perfect geographically. But I, yeah, go on. Go ahead.
00:46:36
Wes MacMillan
I i really when When I was growing up, and I did grow up in kind of like a... It was too sheltered. It was too bubble.
00:46:45
Drew
Okay.
00:46:46
Wes MacMillan
Like, we had one minority at our high school. And he left.
00:46:50
Drew
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:46:54
Wes MacMillan
And, like, I... like And it was like, you couldn't even have parties because, like, the parents were so fucking overprotective helicopter fucks.
00:47:02
Drew
yeah yeah
00:47:05
Wes MacMillan
And i I hated being in bubble. And that's why i was like, my parents like, where do you want to go to college? I was like, away, far away. Because I just wanted, I needed to get out of the bubble.
00:47:13
Drew
yeah probably
00:47:17
Wes MacMillan
And I'm very glad I did.
00:47:18
Drew
yeah yeah
00:47:20
Wes MacMillan
And I'm very, i met i met great people in college. And then when college was over, I was like, I'm going to do it again. I've learned,
00:47:30
Drew
Yeah.
00:47:33
Wes MacMillan
i've i've learned I get maybe if people find this interesting Boston and maybe I'm wrong, but Boston, like, fuck it.
00:47:44
Wes MacMillan
I'll just say it. No one believes in God. Not no one.
00:47:48
Drew
Well, I mean, well and
00:47:50
Wes MacMillan
but At least that's what it feels like. That's probably the truth.
00:47:54
Drew
I mean, at least on, yeah.
00:47:54
Wes MacMillan
I, friend If you do believe in it, you absolutely do not talk about it. Is that, that's I'll say.
00:47:59
Drew
Yeah. That's interesting.
00:48:01
Wes MacMillan
And then I went to Virginia and I talked to this kid. He's like, I'm going to church on Sunday because it like really, like, it helps me like center myself. And I was like, where's the joke? I was like, that wasn't funny.
00:48:11
Drew
Yeah. Yeah.
Philosophical Pursuit of Truth
00:48:17
Wes MacMillan
But I, that like, that was so real. And it's, and I like Boston is, and I didn't even know, I know this until, hi until I moved to Denver, but like Irish run fucking Boston.
00:48:20
Drew
yeah
00:48:31
Drew
Uh-huh.
00:48:35
Wes MacMillan
And maybe you could understand, like, I don't know how I didn't know that because I'm just Irish, but oh man, I was like, I didn't,
00:48:35
Drew
Oh.
00:48:40
Drew
Uh-huh.
00:48:46
Wes MacMillan
Like I knew I was Irish, but like, I was like Irish people don't really have culture. And then I left and I was like, who the fuck are you guys?
00:48:53
Drew
Yeah. Uh-huh.
00:48:55
Wes MacMillan
Like why? you Like, this is really funny. I was, I went skiing last weekend and we, like I said, it was, I didn't have any alone time, which doesn't really matter in this case, but I, um we were, it was like 45 kids in this giant house and it was, it was cool.
00:49:07
Drew
Mm-hmm.
00:49:14
Drew
Mm-hmm.
00:49:14
Wes MacMillan
ah We like, we were just starting to like party, at drink, i don't know. And we were like, we were starting to play this game.
00:49:20
Drew
Mm-hmm.
00:49:24
Wes MacMillan
And this one kid, it was like, a this one kid was like, oh, am I playing? And someone like, was else, someone else was like, no, we have enough people. He was like, okay, I'll sit over here. i was like, yeah, do it quietly.
00:49:37
Wes MacMillan
And there was just like, and I was like, where I'm from, that would have killed.
00:49:43
Drew
and no
00:49:45
Wes MacMillan
Instead, I'm being punished.
00:49:50
Wes MacMillan
And it's like, I'm not in Kansas anymore.
00:49:54
Drew
yeah no it's like crazy how like geography comes into play so one of my best friends I think you met her Allie she was yeah she was my roommate and like she's from LA
00:50:02
Wes MacMillan
I think so Brown hair?
00:50:08
Drew
Um, and like, even she's like one of the funniest people I've ever met.
00:50:09
Wes MacMillan
Oh, my God.
00:50:13
Drew
And like her humor is very much like mine, but she's like, Oh my God, if I were to say this back home, like they would like shoot me. Like there's for the laughs I get to hear it's worth it.
00:50:20
Wes MacMillan
Dude, our culture is so much better. like and Cancel me. Fuck you.
00:50:29
Wes MacMillan
Yeah.
00:50:30
Drew
Oh my God.
00:50:30
Wes MacMillan
And laughing laughing is my favorite thing on the planet.
00:50:34
Drew
It's literally the best. will go, like, I'll text my friends during, like, well, I'll be texting during the work day. And then we'll like meet up later that night, like for whatever, like we're, but we've been watching The Bachelor together.
00:50:45
Drew
and we're like, oh my God, like, I forgot what it felt like to laugh. Like, I miss these feelings.
00:50:49
Wes MacMillan
Yeah. It's like you're either pretending to be something you're not or you're laughing.
00:50:55
Drew
Exactly. Like laughing is so hard.
00:50:56
Wes MacMillan
Laughing is so much better. And our, dude, East Coast culture is so much fucking better. Because there's this one kid from the, like, I know people who live in California.
00:51:01
Drew
Oh my God, it's the best.
00:51:07
Wes MacMillan
They're like, like, everyone's nice to your face, but like, you, like, they're basically like, they're fake. You don't even really know them.
00:51:15
Drew
Yeah.
00:51:17
Wes MacMillan
Get me away from that.
00:51:18
Drew
yeah like It's like the East Coast is like, they're kind, but they're not nice.
00:51:23
Wes MacMillan
Yes.
00:51:23
Drew
And then West Coast is like, they're nice, but they're not kind.
00:51:26
Wes MacMillan
I wish the East Coast could take over the geography of the West Coast.
00:51:32
Drew
The East Coast is the fucking best.
00:51:32
Wes MacMillan
like
00:51:33
Drew
Like, literally, i don't, I would never live West Coast. i I respect it I get it But like, I fucking, I love the East Coast. I think it's such a specific kind of person tale to be on the East Coast.
00:51:46
Wes MacMillan
And I moved here. the i'm not The nature is incredible.
00:51:50
Drew
Mm hmm.
00:51:51
Wes MacMillan
I really want the East Coast to like start a civil war with the West Coast so we can just take their land.
00:51:55
Drew
Yeah, just get their land. Yeah.
00:51:58
Wes MacMillan
Because California, oh my God. like It can be 73 degrees every day and the geography is fucking – but grass is always greener.
00:52:01
Drew
It is beautiful. Yeah.
00:52:08
Drew
Yeah. I.
00:52:10
Wes MacMillan
But, dude, like, the mountains the mountains in Colorado are fucking amazing.
00:52:10
Drew
Yeah.
00:52:15
Wes MacMillan
It's like you go to hike in Boston, it's like you're walking over leaves.
00:52:20
Drew
Yeah.
00:52:20
Wes MacMillan
You go to hike in Colorado, it's like you're going to climb a fucking mountain, and, like, it's going to be breathtaking.
00:52:24
Drew
Yeah.
00:52:27
Wes MacMillan
Cringe.
00:52:28
Drew
yeah That's no, but yeah. How often, ah how many times per week do you listen to Rocky Mountain High?
00:52:36
Wes MacMillan
At least 11. Dude! You want to hear something fucked?
00:52:39
Drew
That was really warm in the morning. That was literally warm.
00:52:41
Wes MacMillan
I... you want to hear something fucked
00:52:43
Drew
Yeah.
00:52:44
Wes MacMillan
i
00:52:47
Wes MacMillan
And it baffles my mind. And I don't – it's probably not the problem with the West Coast, but I'll probably i'll just say it's the problem with the West Coast.
00:52:55
Drew
right Yeah.
00:52:56
Wes MacMillan
we We have a hockey team, and it's like one of the best in the nation. And at the hockey games, they play – they fucking play like take me home, country road, take me home.
00:53:08
Wes MacMillan
I don't know how this is the first time I forgot the melody do Take me home, country road. But then they say, like, instead of West Virginia, they say, Colorado.
00:53:21
Wes MacMillan
which It's kind of awesome, but you idiots! John Denver, the same guy who sings that song, wrote Rocky Mountain High for us, and you're not listening to it.
00:53:34
Drew
I meant. Oh my God, that's what I meant.
00:53:36
Wes MacMillan
Exactly. Like, he made this song, and we're not using it.
00:53:37
Drew
so Okay. Wait, I, I understand that because I just mess that up too.
00:53:44
Wes MacMillan
It's repulsive. Like, and it's a great song.
00:53:49
Drew
Yeah. Fuck. That's what I meant. That's what I meant.
00:53:51
Wes MacMillan
Rocky Mountain High, like, that's probably the coolest three words I've heard in my life.
00:53:56
Drew
Yeah.
00:53:57
Wes MacMillan
And you're singing Country Roads?
00:53:57
Drew
Oh my God. Yeah.
00:54:01
Wes MacMillan
Like, gosh.
00:54:01
Drew
That's. Okay. I get it. I get it on their part. It was a mix up. Take it to corporate.
00:54:08
Wes MacMillan
yeah
00:54:11
Wes MacMillan
It is kind of cool, but like, how how did you mess that one up?
00:54:16
Drew
and that's That's like, okay, they could have fixed that by now.
00:54:20
Wes MacMillan
I might write a letter for the first time in my life.
00:54:22
Drew
yeah um Local boy gets song changed at the hockey game.
00:54:24
Wes MacMillan
I'd be like,
00:54:28
Wes MacMillan
I'd be like, dear, who am I concerned? John Denver has another song. And it's, the other song's probably better, but Rocky Mountain High is damn good.
00:54:41
Drew
no no Rocky Mountain High is better it's better I think it's better I fuck I'm so upset I messed that up I love John Denver too didn't I say Country Roads did I say Rocky Mountain High oh never mind okay well now i'm double embarrassed okay never mind then
00:54:45
Wes MacMillan
I'll say it's better.
00:54:50
Wes MacMillan
What did you mess up? What are you talking about?
00:54:54
Wes MacMillan
I don't know. You and rob and iy
00:55:01
Wes MacMillan
messed it up by thinking you messed it up, which is probably so true for so many people in life.
00:55:03
Drew
Okay. Yeah. This was a teaching moment.
00:55:09
Wes MacMillan
But Philly culture
00:55:11
Drew
It's different. it's Have you been to Philly?
00:55:14
Wes MacMillan
and you want caveat o'clock, I steak and cheese, like what's better than that?
00:55:24
Wes MacMillan
And two, sort of, but not really. I've stayed at Matt's house, but I haven't even really like seen Philly.
00:55:30
Drew
Yeah. I mean, yeah, we're suburbs of Philly, but it's so different. Philly, mean, it's different.
00:55:34
Wes MacMillan
and The Philly like celebrities, they're all like Bradley Cooper, Bradley Cooper,
00:55:39
Drew
There's a million of them.
00:55:43
Wes MacMillan
um I don't think I'm gay, but oh my God.
00:55:43
Drew
He's...
00:55:46
Drew
He could...
00:55:47
Wes MacMillan
yes
00:55:48
Drew
Dude, Oh, my God.
00:55:48
Wes MacMillan
Bradley Cooper is, oh.
00:55:52
Drew
He's... Are you a Patriots fan?
00:55:55
Wes MacMillan
I am, but Tom Brady's gone, so I ah don't know do
00:55:59
Drew
Yeah. Yeah. oh alright
00:56:02
Wes MacMillan
what to and people people have gotten mad when I've said this before. And go fuck yourself.
00:56:09
Drew
Yeah. okay yeah
00:56:10
Wes MacMillan
i I grew up with the greatest football. I grew up with one of the greatest athletes of all time.
00:56:17
Drew
No, that's fair.
00:56:17
Wes MacMillan
it's
00:56:17
Drew
I would pledge loyalty if I had like somebody crazy like that.
00:56:21
Wes MacMillan
It's hard for me to care about sports now because it's like, what do you mean we're not in the Super Bowl?
00:56:26
Drew
Yeah. Yeah.
00:56:27
Wes MacMillan
like I've never had to be ride or die.
00:56:30
Drew
I've always been.
00:56:30
Wes MacMillan
I had Tom Brady.
00:56:32
Drew
Oh my God. Do you like the Celtics?
00:56:39
Wes MacMillan
Jason Tatum's a pussy.
00:56:41
Drew
Yeah. That's yeah. little bit.
00:56:45
Wes MacMillan
I'm so like Boston, but I'm so like... I'm a hater. Through and through.
00:56:50
Drew
one thatsia
00:56:53
Wes MacMillan
i don't know if you know Ball, but like...
00:56:56
Drew
little bit
00:56:56
Wes MacMillan
Anthony Edwards... I bet Jason Tatum wakes up every morning he looks in the mirror. He's like, damn, I'm not and Anthony Edwards.
00:57:03
Drew
ah
00:57:05
Wes MacMillan
He's like... There was a video when he won the championship and I don't even give a fuck. I'm gonna hate. Our championship run, it had no bumps.
00:57:12
Drew
Yeah.
00:57:15
Wes MacMillan
Know I mean?
00:57:16
Drew
Yeah. Yeah.
00:57:16
Wes MacMillan
Like we coasted to the finals after like getting in so many, like there was so many years where we got in like, quote like game seven and yeah, it took a lot of losses, but though like I'm a game seven guy.
00:57:19
Drew
Mm-hmm.
00:57:27
Drew
yeah
00:57:33
Drew
here
00:57:34
Wes MacMillan
Like you, and it's, it probably says something about life. If you just coast to the wind, then it's like,
00:57:43
Drew
It doesn't feel as like well-earned.
00:57:45
Wes MacMillan
no, it's like nice, but like, it's not real.
00:57:49
Drew
Yeah. not Yeah. No, yeah I understand.
00:57:53
Wes MacMillan
Like when LeBron, I ah am a sports guy, but I'm like,
00:57:53
Drew
Uh-huh.
00:58:02
Wes MacMillan
When LeBron, and i I really never talk about sports like this,
Underdog Victories in Sports
00:58:07
Drew
Uh-huh.
00:58:07
Wes MacMillan
but when LeBron, like, came back from 3-1, that's it.
00:58:15
Wes MacMillan
That's what sports is about. It's about triumph.
00:58:17
Drew
Yeah.
00:58:18
Wes MacMillan
It's about never giving up. Like, the Patriots fucking suck. I'm not going to – I – and I –
00:58:23
Drew
Yeah. Yeah.
00:58:29
Wes MacMillan
I've never had to be a real fan. And maybe that's something I have to learn.
00:58:32
Drew
You're being tested.
00:58:33
Wes MacMillan
But like, I'd rather watch like LeBron come back three to one than see the Celtics win it. You know what mean?
00:58:42
Drew
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, I understand that.
00:58:45
Wes MacMillan
It's like, I'm more for like the beauty of the sport.
00:58:49
Drew
he
00:58:49
Wes MacMillan
Like I, I love, I'm Boston through and through. and didn't even know I was Boston until I left Boston.
00:58:57
Drew
Yeah.
00:58:58
Wes MacMillan
But like, I'm sorry. Like, i'd I'd rather watch like something amazing than see my team win in a shitty way.
00:59:07
Drew
Yeah. I think that's respectable. I think that's solid. I love an underdog, I will say.
00:59:14
Wes MacMillan
Yes. And Boston, and probably ah most of my listeners are from Boston, so maybe they don't get tired, but like,
00:59:21
Drew
Wow. We're gonna get hate on this one
00:59:27
Wes MacMillan
Caveat o'clock coming up. and like There's nothing better than Boston culture. like The Bruins don't poke the fucking bear.
00:59:35
Drew
on this one.
00:59:35
Wes MacMillan
i were like i like ah And maybe it's East Coast too, but it's like fucking Dunkin' Donuts. it's like
00:59:42
Drew
Yeah. Oh my God.
00:59:44
Wes MacMillan
It's fucking awesome.
00:59:45
Drew
Right. Yeah.
00:59:46
Wes MacMillan
And I'm so glad I left because now I'm like, I can't wait to come back.
00:59:52
Drew
You appreciate it. Yeah. I, yeah, I fucking love Boston. I have no reason to even love Boston, but i just love it.
01:00:00
Wes MacMillan
And I love Philly. I acted like I hated Philly because Matt loved Philly. And like i they all loved Philly.
01:00:06
Drew
Yeah. It's fun. It's a film girl.
01:00:08
Wes MacMillan
And I'm from Boston.
01:00:08
Drew
Yeah.
01:00:09
Wes MacMillan
I feel like I shouldn't love Philly.
01:00:10
Drew
Yeah. Yeah.
01:00:11
Wes MacMillan
love Philly because it's a brotherhood. And maybe it's a sisterhood too, but like shut up.
01:00:15
Drew
and
01:00:18
Drew
then
01:00:21
Wes MacMillan
But you guys, you stick together. And I really respect that.
01:00:25
Drew
Yeah. Yeah.
01:00:29
Wes MacMillan
And you're not a hockey city. And I'm like, the 2011, I don't even care who listens or gives a fuck.
01:00:33
Drew
Yeah, we're not.
01:00:38
Wes MacMillan
The 2011 Boston Bruins run.
01:00:40
Drew
Oh my God.
01:00:41
Wes MacMillan
I'll just, I'll explain it. Cause I assume like, if you're not from Boston, I assume you don't.
01:00:46
Drew
Yeah, i don't know. ahead.
01:00:48
Wes MacMillan
But we went to I think three or four game sevens.
01:00:51
Drew
hmm.
01:00:52
Wes MacMillan
And that's what it's about. Like we overcame so much. Like one of our players like got hurt. I'm sure this like isn't really conveying how like what it felt like.
01:01:05
Wes MacMillan
But like game seven is do or die. And we did that four times and won. And we won the finals in a game seven. and it
01:01:15
Drew
no it's impressive I respect it totally respect
01:01:19
Wes MacMillan
And that was one of the greatest moments of my life. I was 11. I played hockey. And it was like.
01:01:27
Wes MacMillan
What was the greatest moment of your life?
01:01:28
Drew
yeah oh the greatest moment of my life oh my god actually i it's pretty easy
01:01:31
Wes MacMillan
Such a hard question.
01:01:34
Wes MacMillan
Say the first thing that pops into your mind.
01:01:36
Drew
I snuck into the Taylor Swift concert and it was the best in my entire life. The best in my entire life.
01:01:40
Wes MacMillan
That's pretty damn cool. I've seen videos at Taylor Swift concerts. They're sick.
01:01:46
Drew
My girl puts on a good show. She's a performer. Also, she like, she's up there for three hours alone. Like, oh my God, she's insane. She's fucking insane.
01:01:54
Wes MacMillan
She's a beast, dude. So how many people hate on Taylor Swift, but it's like...
01:01:56
Drew
She's, you don't have to like her music. Just respect her success and her like, I don't know, drive.
Taylor Swift's Respectability
01:02:05
Wes MacMillan
And I don't even get it.
01:02:05
Drew
Cause she's,
01:02:06
Wes MacMillan
I don't know.
01:02:08
Drew
Yeah.
01:02:08
Wes MacMillan
i do like If you put Exile on, I'm like, get but like I I'm not like i'm um'm not one of her biggest fans, but she wouldn't be that popular for no reason.
01:02:10
Drew
Yeah.
01:02:16
Drew
Yeah.
01:02:19
Wes MacMillan
She has something.
01:02:19
Drew
Exactly. Exactly. Thank
01:02:21
Wes MacMillan
I was talking to someone who like they were hating on Playboy Cardi and I was like, Playboy Cardi has Kendrick Lamar. Like the guy who just shocked the world is undebatably at the top of the rap game.
01:02:32
Drew
you.
01:02:35
Wes MacMillan
He's doing Playboy Cardi's ad lips. That is bitch work.
01:02:41
Wes MacMillan
And it's like you like, and you think Playboy Cardi has no talent.
01:02:49
Drew
Wow. I don't know much about rap, I will say.
01:02:49
Wes MacMillan
I Huh?
01:02:52
Drew
my i don't know much about, like, rap, the rap world. My older brother is, like, so fucking into it. And he's, I, like, he's tried to explain. I've heard the Drake and Kendrick beef. I understand that, I think.
01:03:03
Wes MacMillan
That's like surface level shit.
01:03:05
Drew
But, yeah, he, I don't know. Do you know Gangstar?
01:03:08
Wes MacMillan
I eat sleep and breathe rap. And i don't I don't listen to rap that much anymore, which is maybe interesting.
01:03:13
Drew
Yeah.
01:03:15
Wes MacMillan
Every time I'm like, which is interesting or which is funny, I'm like, is that really interesting or funny?
01:03:19
Drew
Which is funny.
01:03:20
Wes MacMillan
What?
01:03:20
Drew
It's neither.
01:03:22
Wes MacMillan
but But i until I graduated, if until I went to college, Matt played country in my freshman year. I was like, turn this fucking garbage off.
01:03:31
Drew
Yeah! That's who
01:03:34
Wes MacMillan
But now I love it.
01:03:36
Drew
Country has to find you. i would like i was like, turn this off. It's horrible. It's like, whatever. And then I heard like one song, my first ever country song, and I think it's my favorite to this day, Chasing You, Morgan Wallen.
01:03:47
Wes MacMillan
Dude! First country sucks, too.
01:03:51
Drew
that is like literally i hear and i'm like oh my god that's what started it all that is my like oh my god so far yeah yeah yeah
01:03:51
Wes MacMillan
That's not fucked. Yeah.
01:03:59
Wes MacMillan
Yeah, dude, that was my first country song. Dude. And listen, I put that song on. and I was like, maybe I don't hate country. And someone was like, that's not country.
01:04:08
Drew
okay yeah what the hell was it
01:04:10
Wes MacMillan
And I wish I punched him in the fucking mouth. I was like, I'm sure I literally I remember saying I was like, I'm trying to like this garbage. Shut the fuck up.
01:04:19
Drew
Yeah. Just let me. Let me enjoy it. Yeah. No. Oh my God. good. I'm so fucking.
01:04:26
Wes MacMillan
And now it's so weird because I can hear it when I talk now, but Boston
Humor and Authenticity
01:04:31
Drew
Like this. No.
01:04:31
Wes MacMillan
people have so much like aggression, anger.
01:04:36
Wes MacMillan
i like
01:04:37
Drew
Yeah.
01:04:39
Wes MacMillan
But it's like who I am.
01:04:41
Drew
so yeah
01:04:42
Wes MacMillan
and all like, like we talked about that joke and people like gasp and I'm like,
01:04:48
Drew
That was like the most chill thing I've ever heard.
01:04:50
Wes MacMillan
like who do you want me to be? i don't fucking care. I'm from Boston.
01:04:54
Drew
Yeah.
01:04:55
Wes MacMillan
yeah
01:04:57
Wes MacMillan
And it's such a weird balance because it's like, i want to get along with you, but like...
01:05:03
Drew
No, sometimes it's like, ooh, if you, I think also humor is like the thing that matters, not most, I don't want to say most. Because I think...
01:05:12
Wes MacMillan
I'll say it most.
01:05:14
Drew
But okay, thank you.
01:05:14
Wes MacMillan
Genuinely.
01:05:16
Drew
But like, if your humor doesn't align, like, like, and like, if you make a joke and I'm like, ah like, that's so awkward, you know, like, I don't know.
01:05:19
Wes MacMillan
Genuinely.
01:05:27
Wes MacMillan
And I don't understand how like, like, yeah um if I make a joke that doesn't hit, it's like, that was that was probably the worst part of my week.
01:05:34
Drew
I want to kill myself. Yeah, no, I want to like, go home and die. Like,
01:05:39
Wes MacMillan
I was like, oh, you guys
Fear of Performing Standup Comedy
01:05:41
Wes MacMillan
don't like me.
01:05:41
Drew
ah
01:05:42
Wes MacMillan
yeah And I don't, so it's used it seems to like not bother West Coast people, which is probably a good thing, but it's also like, I'll say it, like, if I don't think you're funny,
01:05:43
Drew
Okay, got it.
01:05:56
Wes MacMillan
I'm not going to hang out with you ever.
01:05:58
Drew
Yeah, no, like, actually, that's like, so important.
01:06:02
Wes MacMillan
And that's just the way it is.
01:06:03
Drew
Like, sorry, guys. Oh, you're just not funny. And I hate you. Like,
01:06:08
Wes MacMillan
There is nothing i like.
01:06:15
Wes MacMillan
There's nothing more important than being fun. Like I like.
01:06:17
Drew
No, seriously. Being able to like, I also find it, I will say, i have nightmares about doing like standup comedy. That's like my biggest fear. cause the most of like the humor that I find funny is like quick wit, like, like fast.
01:06:33
Drew
I do think people are funny doing standup. I just have like, that's like my
Authenticity in Podcasting
01:06:38
Drew
nightmare. Like if I was to go to hell, it would just be me doing standup on loop.
01:06:43
Wes MacMillan
One year is something I'm incredibly embarrassed of.
01:06:46
Drew
Mm-hmm.
01:06:47
Wes MacMillan
I've done it twice.
01:06:48
Drew
Wait, that's not embarrassing. That's like, i I think it's cool if people are able to do that. Was it like...
01:06:54
Wes MacMillan
Hey, to be honest, it went well, but like, it's terrifying.
01:06:57
Drew
Okay.
01:06:59
Wes MacMillan
And like that, the worst thing I like, i've hide that I have a podcast. And then people were like, yo, I found this.
01:07:10
Wes MacMillan
i was like, like, it's such, it's
01:07:13
Drew
No, I... ah
01:07:16
Drew
no i
01:07:17
Wes MacMillan
like my hero, like Dave Chappelle is my fucking hero.
01:07:20
Drew
here
01:07:23
Wes MacMillan
Kevin Hart is my fucking hero, but it's like, Like if you, if you, i if someone said to me, like, if someone says to me, i have a podcast, I'll be like, I don't want to talk to you.
01:07:28
Drew
if you can do it
01:07:36
Wes MacMillan
Someone says to me like, Oh, I do stand up.
01:07:37
Drew
it it's different when I do it no i get it though that's yeah
01:07:40
Wes MacMillan
I'm like,
01:07:44
Wes MacMillan
it's, and dude, but you, I literally, ah like, I was at a darty yesterday and people were like, i listen to your podcast. I fuck with it.
01:07:56
Wes MacMillan
And that,
01:07:57
Drew
ah That's what would get me to like keep going.
01:08:00
Wes MacMillan
Yeah. like be like there's nothing Like, there's nothing that makes me feel more good than that.
01:08:09
Drew
Yeah.
Political Correctness and Genuineness
01:08:10
Wes MacMillan
It's like I had the guts to do something I care about and people like it, which means everything to me.
01:08:15
Drew
Yeah.
01:08:18
Drew
No, I think that's awesome. And it's fully like you too. It really is just like authentic.
01:08:24
Wes MacMillan
I, if I didn't have, didn't have to be a therapist, like I, therapist is, I think it'd be good job, but I want, dude, if this blows up, like this i like I've had to filter myself a couple of times, not much, most of the time I let it rip, but there's a couple of times I filter and it's like, to be politically correct.
01:08:36
Drew
ah Fuck it.
01:08:41
Drew
Yeah. Yeah.
01:08:46
Drew
Mm-hmm.
01:08:50
Wes MacMillan
which is ah fucking bullshit. I like, it's like,
01:08:52
Drew
No, it's.
01:08:56
Wes MacMillan
I've talked about this in my social work school. If you want to, no one's trying to cancel me ah Barely anyone listens. That's dude, 30 people listen to an episode, which is, I think that's pretty,
01:09:09
Drew
What are the chances this is your most listened to podcast? I told all my friends about it.
01:09:12
Wes MacMillan
a million percent.
01:09:13
Drew
and so
01:09:16
Wes MacMillan
right Dude, this has been good. But I, dude, politically correct, it's like,
01:09:24
Wes MacMillan
you get the, I'm going to kill you.
01:09:24
Drew
It's so hard. It's like just, yeah.
01:09:26
Wes MacMillan
it's You talked about this in my social work school.
01:09:28
Drew
You could be like,
01:09:31
Wes MacMillan
So it's like, fuck, I'm just going to say, like, you don't care. You just like, you want to be politically correct because like, it's like fucking a box.
01:09:42
Drew
Yeah, yeah.
01:09:44
Wes MacMillan
Like, oh, like, I'm going say it.
01:09:47
Drew
No, you're just saying it to like fit the standard of being politically correct.
01:09:48
Wes MacMillan
don't give fuck. I give fuck.
01:09:52
Drew
You actually don't give a flying fuck about anything you're speaking about at all.
01:09:55
Wes MacMillan
Exactly. And you said it better than I ever could, but it's like, oh, you can't say that. I can say whatever the fuck I want.
01:10:04
Drew
Yeah, yeah.
01:10:04
Wes MacMillan
Like I'm a kind person.
01:10:06
Drew
yeah
01:10:07
Wes MacMillan
If you tell me like, oh, I prefer to be called this. I'll try to call you that,
Political Views and Gun Control
01:10:13
Wes MacMillan
but I'm not a fucked up person for not knowing.
01:10:13
Drew
yeah yeah yeah no i yeah
01:10:20
Wes MacMillan
Like, who the fuck are you? Like, you can't say that. It's 2025. I know what year it is.
01:10:28
Drew
thanks for fucking reminding me
01:10:31
Wes MacMillan
And it's, I will say it's gone too far. If you ask me where I am on like a political spectrum, I'd probably... Should I say it? I lean a little left.
01:10:44
Drew
Yeah.
01:10:44
Wes MacMillan
But they've gone way too far to the point where, like, you can't even say any anything to them because they're like, you can't say that.
01:10:47
Drew
Oh, yeah.
01:10:52
Wes MacMillan
I'm all high and mighty on my high horse.
01:10:52
Drew
Yeah. No, it makes me also be these crazy people that actually are like, wanting to be good and wanting to be better on the left side from being like, fuck that. Like, eat like I lean more left.
01:11:03
Drew
I'm like registered as an independent. I'll say that I don't care, but I'm like left leaning. And I'm like, fuck, like just for the sheer fact that I don't want to be associated with you. Like, but like now I just want to disagree.
01:11:12
Wes MacMillan
yeah
01:11:13
Drew
Like, you know.
01:11:14
Wes MacMillan
And Republicans are like, you how can you not understand them? Like Republicans, like one, most people's political views are what their parents are. Two, like, fuck yeah.
01:11:24
Drew
Right.
01:11:26
Wes MacMillan
i mean Like guns are the perfect issue. Like, yeah, guns are scary and they cause a lot of harm, but like people like to protect themselves. And I like, that's not unfathomable to me.
01:11:39
Drew
I, yeah, I don't know. Guns are, I, yeah.
01:11:43
Wes MacMillan
i will I would never in a million years own a gun. I want to shoot one because I think it would be cool, but like I don't even trust myself enough.
01:11:48
Drew
What?
01:11:52
Drew
You started a kickback.
01:11:53
Wes MacMillan
Do
01:11:54
Drew
Isn't there like a crazy kickback? Like, it's your, knocked out.
01:11:56
Wes MacMillan
and do you ever think about kickback?
Societal Norms and Safety Illusions
01:12:00
Drew
What?
01:12:02
Wes MacMillan
But it's it's also like...
01:12:06
Wes MacMillan
I was talking about this with a kid on the ski team I joined. I should just like stop introducing things that don't matter. I was having a conversation and this kid was like, I, and I was making the point, but it's like, we live in like this illusion of safety and it does us so much harm.
01:12:23
Wes MacMillan
It's like, I like,
01:12:28
Wes MacMillan
like the the place that got us there, i literally, I didn't,
01:12:38
Wes MacMillan
I, the place that got us there was speed limits. I was like, like, if there was no speed limits, like, like you my, my main point is like the universe runs itself, which is too deep and like, like shut up Wes, but it's like you like,
01:12:44
Drew
Wow.
01:12:53
Drew
Yeah.
01:13:00
Wes MacMillan
like speed limits exist for a reason. Like you shouldn't want speed to get pulled over.
01:13:03
Drew
yeah
01:13:04
Wes MacMillan
You shouldn't, you shouldn't speed because like it's dangerous and people like we're so like controlled that it's like, Oh, I just shouldn't speed. Cause I don't want to get a ticket, but it's like, no, you shouldn't speed.
01:13:15
Wes MacMillan
Cause if you speed might fucking die.
01:13:15
Drew
gather to free in Yeah,
01:13:19
Wes MacMillan
And maybe most people know that, but like, It doesn't really feel like it. It just feels like we're like in this game where like, oh, you can't do that.
01:13:28
Drew
Yeah.
01:13:29
Wes MacMillan
You can't say that. It's like,
Embracing Individuality
01:13:31
Drew
Yeah.
01:13:31
Wes MacMillan
even remember do we even remember why we're not saying or not doing these things?
01:13:37
Drew
Yeah. Or you just blatantly like, being like, okay, fine. I won't do it.
01:13:41
Wes MacMillan
You're like, i put on I put on my fucking button down. i go to work. I don't speed. I say all the right things. i come home. It's like, are you a robot?
01:13:52
Drew
Yeah. Oh my God. That's like nightmare. That's a nightmare life. Oh my God. What if I speed and don't care?
01:14:01
Wes MacMillan
And so many people do it. that they and It's like, do you
01:14:08
Drew
point.
01:14:09
Wes MacMillan
it like you know, like you're a robot.
01:14:14
Drew
du There's some people that I'm like, you're literally a fucking robot. Like,
01:14:19
Wes MacMillan
There's nothing.
01:14:19
Drew
I don't encounter many of them.
01:14:20
Wes MacMillan
there's nothing
01:14:21
Drew
I try to stay away, but like, oh my God. bot
01:14:24
Wes MacMillan
There's no funnier insult than calling someone a bot.
01:14:28
Drew
is so funny. If I was called a bot, I would literally shoot myself. Like, sorry.
01:14:31
Wes MacMillan
I don't think I've ever been called a bot. I'm too far on the other side of the special.
01:14:34
Drew
I hope I have it. Yeah, they just think I'm like schizophrenic, but it's fine.
Karaoke as Self-Expression
01:14:40
Wes MacMillan
Not even schizophrenic, but like sometimes, especially here, people are like, you're crazy. And I'm like, I don't want to fit in your fucking box.
01:14:45
Drew
Oh, yeah.
01:14:48
Drew
Yeah. Fuck your mold that you have for me.
01:14:52
Wes MacMillan
I know it's like, if I like a song, I'm singing as loud as I can.
01:14:57
Drew
Oh, yeah. Even if it's horrible. Okay, what's... Well, I'm not trying to segue.
01:15:04
Wes MacMillan
You're a good segue or let it rip.
01:15:06
Drew
Okay. My questions are so stupid surface level. Fuck.
01:15:11
Wes MacMillan
But it always goes somewhere good.
01:15:11
Drew
they okay um
01:15:20
Wes MacMillan
I believe in you.
01:15:20
Drew
What is your go-to karaoke song?
01:15:25
Wes MacMillan
Karaoke song. Dude, one time i saw one time i think i saw I sang this song by Rex Orange County and it was so bad.
01:15:28
Drew
I have
01:15:34
Drew
a list.
01:15:34
Wes MacMillan
i was like,
01:15:37
Drew
No.
01:15:37
Wes MacMillan
i
01:15:38
Drew
I think karaoke is like half of the battle is like knowing your crowd. Like knowing.
01:15:43
Wes MacMillan
but i don't I don't even try to be good. It's like, and want i my mentality is like, I want to see if I can pull this off.
01:15:50
Drew
Yeah. Are you a good singer? Like, do you like
01:15:53
Wes MacMillan
I sort of am. I'm definitely not great, but sometimes I catch a note and people are like, damn, I'm like, sort of.
01:16:00
Drew
Yeah.
01:16:04
Drew
Yeah, no big deal.
01:16:05
Wes MacMillan
But I am, I'm definitely not that good.
01:16:08
Drew
Yeah.
01:16:09
Wes MacMillan
Like singing, like karaoke, I'm not the guy where people are like, damn, he's good.
01:16:15
Drew
I kind of think
01:16:17
Wes MacMillan
I'm the guy where it's like, he shouldn't have done this song. I'm not.
01:16:22
Drew
Oh, can we unplug his mic? Thanks.
01:16:25
Wes MacMillan
I've got my mic turned off.
01:16:29
Wes MacMillan
And I was like, what the fuck's going on? This must be a malfunction. And people are like, you're being way too loud.
01:16:38
Drew
actually never heard of that happening. So.
01:16:41
Wes MacMillan
Yeah. Maybe I'm a good singer. i am not good at karaoke yet.
Trying New Things and Overcoming Fear
01:16:48
Drew
Yeah, okay. It's a work in progress. I fucking, I feel like the the half the things I've asked her about karaoke, but I just fucking love karaoke. I love anything that's like stupid and fun.
01:16:57
Wes MacMillan
Dude.
01:16:59
Drew
Like laser tag.
01:17:00
Wes MacMillan
I'm with you 100%. Karaoke is fucking awesome.
01:17:02
Drew
Yeah.
01:17:04
Wes MacMillan
It's like what life's all about. Facing your fear.
01:17:07
Drew
Yeah.
01:17:07
Wes MacMillan
It's either... ah so You say the first one. Flee.
01:17:11
Drew
Wait, flee everything and run.
01:17:13
Wes MacMillan
Or face everything and rise. that was That was poetic.
01:17:20
Drew
That was awesome. Stamp that, everybody.
01:17:22
Wes MacMillan
And deadass. Like... I may not be good at karaoke, but I give it my all. And that means a lot to me.
01:17:29
Drew
that's more fun to me when somebody like goes up and is like that versus when they are trying to hit every riff and building.
01:17:36
Wes MacMillan
yeah
01:17:38
Drew
I'm like, oh my god, I'm cringing. like This isn't like the voice. Calm down. Yeah. but
01:17:44
Wes MacMillan
But I, dude, i when I, when someone like there, you know, like there's a couple of songs by Brett Fiaz that like you need to be nasty at singing to do them.
01:17:54
Drew
the
01:17:55
Wes MacMillan
And one time these, like the guy and a girl did a duet and they fucking killed it. And was like, I like, I like when they were singing, I was like, this is fucking awesome.
01:17:59
Drew
Really? Okay, that's cool.
01:18:04
Wes MacMillan
my number one,
01:18:08
Wes MacMillan
I start these like grandiose sentences and they're never true.
01:18:09
Drew
Okay.
01:18:13
Wes MacMillan
But my number one thing in the world is like, I will never shit on someone for trying. ASAP Rocky has a quote. It's like, when did it become cool to not try?
01:18:23
Drew
say
01:18:23
Wes MacMillan
And it would not try when some pussy was just get afraid to try. So they shit on someone else for trying. And somehow we let that pussy win.
01:18:29
Drew
yeah
01:18:32
Wes MacMillan
But I promise you we're coming back.
01:18:35
Drew
Wow. Okay. Chills. Just got full body chills from that.
01:18:38
Wes MacMillan
Fuck em, fuck em, fuck em, fuck em.
Preference for Deep Conversations
01:18:42
Wes MacMillan
Like, fuck you. Like, like I said before, like if you don't do anything you're scared of, you will never do anything.
01:18:51
Wes MacMillan
And this is, in a hundred years, everyone you know and you will be dead. why Why not have some fucking fun? Why not like do something?
01:19:01
Drew
Yeah. No. Yeah. Dead ass.
01:19:05
Wes MacMillan
Are you a deep person?
01:19:08
Drew
think I am. I do find it very hard to like get deep. I will say.
01:19:12
Wes MacMillan
I'm obnoxiously deep.
01:19:14
Drew
I like being deep and I love getting deep, but I think it like, I almost feel embarrassed to get deep sometimes if that makes sense.
01:19:22
Wes MacMillan
i I, know, I know when I'm like saying something I shouldn't, but like, I like,
01:19:23
Drew
I feel stupid, which is.
01:19:28
Drew
Yeah.
01:19:32
Wes MacMillan
I don't know. This is like, and when I say I'm deep people, oh, you're so deep. It's like, no, like I like i genuinely, ah genuinely, if you talk to me about like your job, I will like not be listening.
01:19:37
Drew
Yeah,
01:19:47
Drew
yeah I don't give a fuck. ah What was the worst thing that ever happened to you?
01:19:50
Wes MacMillan
Yes. Like, why are we swimming in the shallow end?
01:19:54
Drew
Yeah, like I don't care.
01:19:55
Wes MacMillan
I used to despise small talk. I kind of get it now. You got to go shallow before you can go deep. But like, if you're my boy, I'm not going
01:20:01
Drew
Yeah.
01:20:04
Wes MacMillan
And some I've I've learned to kind of appreciate it. Like, I genuinely want to know how my friends are. Like, if I saw Matt, I'd be like, how's your job going? And I genuinely care. But.
01:20:17
Wes MacMillan
Like, after 10, 15 minutes.
01:20:20
Drew
Yeah. Okay.
01:20:21
Wes MacMillan
We're not going to be talking about like your profession.
01:20:21
Drew
Let's finish.
01:20:23
Drew
Yeah. Yeah. No, I think that's good. I think more people should be like that. i I, can do small talk, but i don't know.
01:20:28
Wes MacMillan
and
01:20:33
Drew
I just, I don't know. I throw everything back to my friends too. Like they are the people that I have the best conversations with and it's always deep, like always deep.
01:20:42
Wes MacMillan
This comes back to what you very started it with. That's probably not good grammar, right but it's like, I, you, you were like the balance of like having a mask and like taking yourself seriously.
01:20:53
Wes MacMillan
Was that the other end of the
Impact of Storytelling in TV Shows
01:20:55
Wes MacMillan
spectrum?
01:20:55
Drew
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
01:20:56
Wes MacMillan
I cannot take myself seriously to save my life. I literally, i did a presentation on Friday morning and I like,
01:21:08
Wes MacMillan
Not that I put jokes in it, but like I'm doing bits as I do it. Like in my mind, it's like I was the Wolf of Wall Street. Like I'm never going to give a presentation that's not a me thing.
01:21:21
Wes MacMillan
yeah
01:21:21
Drew
um yeah
01:21:22
Wes MacMillan
But I literally... This is so funny. Everyone else, the teacher was like, you cannot make your presentation over three minutes. And mine was, everyone was like getting so close.
01:21:35
Wes MacMillan
Mine was a minute and one second. He was like, wow, that was a record. i was like, do you guys not know I'm like the funny guy?
01:21:46
Wes MacMillan
I literally, I literally, I was like, i asked like a question.
01:21:48
Drew
hip
01:21:51
Wes MacMillan
I was like, did you know the top 1% owns more than the bottom 90%?
01:21:59
Wes MacMillan
And I did like a, I did like a 10 second pause and it was awesome. And people genuinely after like, when I do bits, like taking myself seriously, people take me seriously and I'm like, no,
01:22:14
Drew
no no no please like yeah like that's not me i fucking love it
01:22:14
Wes MacMillan
to
01:22:18
Wes MacMillan
But maybe something else we should work on is we should probably be able to take ourselves seriously.
01:22:24
Drew
i know what like like i know that's like a struggle but like even i'll find myself being like okay this sounds like actually fucking crazy like i'll be alone and i'll like do something i'm like and then i'm like oh my god like
01:22:30
Wes MacMillan
like go
01:22:39
Wes MacMillan
but i That's the worst part about being alone. It's like you you can't laugh and no one else is there to laugh.
01:22:46
Drew
No, like have moments. Okay. Again, like I'm going sound fucking crazy where I'm like, I feel like I'm in the office ah like you know like yeah and then I'm like, Oh my God.
01:22:53
Wes MacMillan
and
01:22:55
Drew
Like I'm crazy.
01:22:59
Wes MacMillan
my roommate here great guy he's like upset like i i've met people that like the office i'm like an office i'm not a junkie i love it it's one of my favorite shows of all time but this kid like the only some of the only jokes he makes are just referencing the office which is
01:23:02
Drew
hu
01:23:07
Drew
and
01:23:10
Drew
yeah
01:23:17
Wes MacMillan
which is not me. I'd be like, hey man, like remember that?
01:23:19
Drew
Oh my god.
01:23:20
Wes MacMillan
Remember season three, episode nine? I'm like, whoa.
01:23:22
Drew
Yeah. but No, but...
01:23:25
Wes MacMillan
like there There are levels to this, but he I love him so much.
01:23:28
Drew
Yeah. Yeah.
01:23:30
Wes MacMillan
And kind of forget what I was talking. we were trying to like perfect the gym look where like looks at the camera. And it's so hard. Like if you look at like, if you Google like gym camera face, it's just like,
01:23:44
Drew
Yeah. with
01:23:47
Wes MacMillan
It's not even like a huge look, but it's such an important part of who I am.
01:23:49
Drew
yeah
01:23:51
Drew
Oh my god. I love The Office. It's not my favorite show ever, but I think it's top five. Maybe top ten.
01:23:57
Wes MacMillan
right Segway o'clock.
01:23:59
Drew
and Okay.
01:24:00
Wes MacMillan
you Let's talk about your tweet.
01:24:03
Drew
Which one?
01:24:04
Wes MacMillan
What was it? yeah How I met your mother one?
01:24:07
Drew
Oh, How am I May Rather is my favorite show in the entire world. I've seen that literally a trillion times.
01:24:10
Wes MacMillan
I think me too.
01:24:13
Drew
i fucking love that. I just... I'm not a big... like film, TV buff. I haven't seen a ton of movies, I will say. And a lot of my, i have like, okay, my top five shows, four of them are comedies.
01:24:28
Drew
One is like a drama and that's it. Like I lost.
01:24:31
Wes MacMillan
What's the drama?
01:24:33
Drew
That's my favorite. That's like my favorite.
01:24:35
Wes MacMillan
Is it a movie or show?
01:24:36
Drew
It's a show. It's good.
01:24:38
Wes MacMillan
should watch it.
01:24:39
Drew
It's so good.
01:24:40
Wes MacMillan
Is it like a girl in the wilderness?
01:24:42
Drew
It's like a plane crash and there was like 20 survivors. It's so good. It's so good.
01:24:47
Wes MacMillan
I fuck with wilderness, I'll watch.
01:24:49
Drew
Yeah, no, it's, yeah, it's really cool. It's really good
01:24:51
Wes MacMillan
And i yeah I just kind of rewatch How I Met Your Mother if I don't have another show.
01:24:55
Drew
good.
01:24:55
Wes MacMillan
i
01:24:55
Drew
That's...
01:24:56
Wes MacMillan
I do.
01:24:56
Drew
You can't really
01:24:56
Wes MacMillan
I love The Sopranos. I love Peaky Blinders. I love Breaking Bad. Those are like, I will be screaming when I watch those. And that's when people are like, who the hell are you? And I'm like, yeah, crazy.
01:25:07
Drew
compare. yeah
01:25:10
Wes MacMillan
But like, if I were to choose Breaking Bad or How I Met Your Mother, it's sweep.
01:25:16
Drew
can't really compare
01:25:17
Wes MacMillan
It's not even fucking close. Like how, are and i I used to hate the ending, but I don't think I do anymore because it's like so real.
01:25:20
Drew
What is it?
01:25:23
Drew
Yeah.
01:25:26
Wes MacMillan
Like everyone wanted Ted to marry Robin, but that's just not how life works sometimes.
Life’s Oddities and Alien Existence
01:25:32
Drew
Yeah.
01:25:32
Wes MacMillan
Like Ted wanted kids, Robin didn't. And Ted got the kids conveniently his wife died.
01:25:38
Drew
but
01:25:38
Wes MacMillan
I'm starting think he killed her.
01:25:40
Drew
england
01:25:40
Wes MacMillan
And he still got Robin. Like he got everything he ever wanted and more. And I think that's kind of how the universe works. It's like, you think you know what you want, but you don't. So shut up and enjoy the ride.
01:25:52
Drew
Well, I don't know. I go back and forth. i i think from the first episode, it was so clear that to or Ted and Robin were going up together, obviously.
01:26:02
Wes MacMillan
Yeah.
01:26:02
Drew
But they made the mom so likable. Like, she was Tracy was perfect. And then they killed her off as soon as he got the kids. And then suddenly ted was like, oh, I want Robin.
01:26:13
Drew
like And then I love Barney and Robin together at the end. Like, I don't know.
01:26:16
Wes MacMillan
I love Buddy and Robin.
01:26:17
Drew
I know. i know.
01:26:20
Wes MacMillan
I, like, when I'm watching that show, 90%, not 90%, but I'll say 90% because it's funny. 90% of the time, I'm just thinking about, like, which character I am and which one I want to be.
01:26:34
Drew
I fucking, I love them all. They have their moments, but they're just, they're.
01:26:38
Wes MacMillan
I used to want to be an architect just because I fucked with Ed Noisley at home.
01:26:44
Drew
Mosby's designs.
01:26:46
Wes MacMillan
I literally, i I was like, I'm going to go to Wesleyan and be an architect. and That's a pretty good plan. that um Like thinking about that now, it's like, oh my God, dude, like it's a show.
01:26:57
Drew
That's completely, that's crazy.
01:26:58
Wes MacMillan
that's how much That's like wanting to work at like done but work, wanting to work at a paper company.
01:27:05
Drew
in Scranton.
01:27:08
Wes MacMillan
Which honestly, i was, I was in a car ride. And someone was like, life is all fun and games. I was like, until it's not. and they're like, no, it's literally all fun games.
01:27:19
Wes MacMillan
And I was like, you might be right.
01:27:19
Drew
yeah I love that.
01:27:22
Wes MacMillan
there's dan like I also saw something. It's like, oh, I spent all that time trying to be serious when I could have been a silly goose the whole time.
01:27:30
Drew
No, literally.
01:27:31
Wes MacMillan
Being serious is not fun. And I'm like, I'm not, I probably be maybe could be good at it if I wanted to, but I i don't want to.
01:27:34
Drew
I'm like,
01:27:39
Drew
there's no point yeah what's the joy in that like truly there's very few moments in life where I'm like this would be better if I was just like serious
01:27:50
Wes MacMillan
No, never. Like it's, can I have good time?
01:27:55
Drew
yeah let me have fun like oh my god everyone is a sick of their ass yeah yeah
01:28:00
Wes MacMillan
I know. But I, and everyone's pretending. That's the thing. That's what makes me mad. And maybe you have to pretend because if the world is filled with people who were like, we're never serious, but also that's the truth of the matter.
01:28:10
Drew
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. My head hurts.
01:28:17
Wes MacMillan
Like, You act so serious, like, one, what are you getting out of that? Two, are you having fun?
01:28:23
Drew
yeah
01:28:26
Drew
ah
01:28:27
Wes MacMillan
Like, and this is where like the weird, this is why it's called Philosophony, because it's like, there are one septillion planets in the universe.
01:28:39
Drew
had heard
01:28:39
Wes MacMillan
Earth is one. Like that's, ah you can't even fathom that number.
01:28:42
Drew
Yeah, no, I can't.
01:28:43
Wes MacMillan
Like, and obviously not you, like I can't fathom, no one can fathom that.
01:28:47
Drew
Yeah.
01:28:47
Wes MacMillan
It's 24 zeros.
01:28:49
Drew
Oh, my God.
01:28:51
Wes MacMillan
It's 24 zeros. Like, and you act like earth is like the end all be all people are like, like i and obviously I get caught up in, into it, but it's like Trump's president.
01:28:54
Drew
Oh, my God.
01:29:05
Wes MacMillan
I Trump. It's like, dude, we're like monkeys on a space rock and
01:29:07
Drew
Yeah. Yeah. We're one of 24 zero planets. but
01:29:14
Wes MacMillan
ah Yeah. Can you think about that?
01:29:16
Drew
That's, I didn't know was that many.
01:29:18
Wes MacMillan
And Trump's one of the space monkeys.
01:29:18
Drew
Yeah.
01:29:20
Wes MacMillan
Like, why you letting him rattle you?
01:29:21
Drew
Oh my God. That's so true. My head hurts. Do you, what are your thoughts on aliens?
01:29:30
Drew
I totally believe in them.
01:29:30
Wes MacMillan
fucking question.
01:29:32
Drew
I think it would be silly to not, to think that we're the only beings with like ah life form and that have created communities and whatever.
01:29:33
Wes MacMillan
You what?
01:29:43
Drew
I think that would be a silly thing, a silly thought.
01:29:47
Wes MacMillan
Deep down I don't, but I know I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong.
01:29:51
Drew
Yeah.
01:29:52
Wes MacMillan
Aliens would like... If people were like... If we like... Discovered aliens like 100% for sure. It would fix... Like it would... It would sober us up a little bit. If you know what Because everyone thinks this is so like normal. And it's like...
01:30:10
Drew
Yeah. We're just one of many, which I don't.
01:30:13
Wes MacMillan
Here's a philosophy thing. ah
01:30:18
Wes MacMillan
He there's one of the greatest philosophers of all time. Alan Watts died an alcoholic at age 58, which says something like he basically figured everything out and it does not help you.
01:30:29
Drew
Yeah. Yeah.
01:30:31
Wes MacMillan
I really need to keep in mind.
01:30:33
Drew
Yeah.
01:30:34
Wes MacMillan
But he, like everyone, at least me, I'm like, life is weird. And it's like, how do you know that? Like, life is the only thing you've ever known. How can you say life is weird?
01:30:46
Wes MacMillan
Do you know what i mean? Like life's the baseline.
01:30:47
Drew
Yeah.
01:30:49
Drew
Yeah. Anything after this is weird.
01:30:52
Wes MacMillan
But what he said implies that they're like, if this is life is odd, then there has to be some sort of even.
01:30:59
Drew
Interesting. That's freaky. I think, I don't know.
01:31:03
Wes MacMillan
Like, how would you know life is weird if like, this is the only thing you've ever known?
Nature of Death and Existential Fears
01:31:08
Drew
Yeah.
01:31:08
Wes MacMillan
Like when you like, think about your first friend, it's like, oh, this is how friendship works.
01:31:13
Drew
Mm-hmm.
01:31:14
Wes MacMillan
And then you get another friend. It's like, oh, I didn't really know that things could be different, but it's like, how do you know that this is weird if it's the only thing you've ever experienced?
01:31:18
Drew
Yeah.
01:31:22
Drew
All you've got. Yeah. I think about that a lot too, with like the idea of heaven or like even just the idea of dying, like you die at least the way that, I don't know.
01:31:35
Drew
I don't really like to think about it this way because I think it's super pessimistic, but like you die and then you're dead. Like you don't know that you're dead. You don't care. yeah,
01:31:43
Wes MacMillan
Yeah. ah Yeah. Death used to be like my biggest fear. It's like, bro, you're not going to be like, you're not staring at black. You're just not there, which is, which is terrifying.
01:31:51
Drew
Yeah, you're done. Yeah.
01:31:54
Wes MacMillan
But
01:31:55
Drew
Like pick the poison.
01:31:58
Wes MacMillan
I, I'm definitely not as afraid as death as I used to.
01:32:03
Drew
Yeah.
01:32:03
Wes MacMillan
Because like, if you ask most people, like, would you want to live forever?
01:32:03
Drew
I'd say no.
01:32:08
Wes MacMillan
Yeah, they're like, hell no. And it's like, that's something, but also me too.
01:32:12
Drew
Yeah.
01:32:15
Drew
Yeah. Yeah.
01:32:19
Wes MacMillan
But like, yeah, i'm I'm far more afraid of not living than I am dying, which sounds so douchey, but fuck you.
01:32:28
Drew
No, I think that's kind of like my thing of like settling, like just having like a mediocre life that I'm not proud of that I can't look back at with.
01:32:36
Wes MacMillan
Yeah, that is a great biggest fear.
01:32:38
Drew
Yeah, that's horrifying.
01:32:39
Wes MacMillan
And if you settle, I'll kill you. That'll, I love like accountability.
01:32:41
Drew
Yeah. Yeah.
01:32:45
Wes MacMillan
Like my friend today, but my best, I have, ah I have multiple best friends.
01:32:46
Drew
Yeah.
01:32:50
Wes MacMillan
I'll just, I, I'm always so tempted to say like my best friend, like I can only have one, but fuck that.
01:32:51
Drew
yeah
01:32:56
Drew
No, it's not reserved.
01:32:56
Wes MacMillan
I have a couple.
01:32:58
Wes MacMillan
One of my best friends, he was texting me. He's like, dude, he's like, I don't, I don't know if I should work in finance. And I'm like, dude I know you shouldn't work in finance.
01:33:07
Drew
could have told you that.
01:33:08
Wes MacMillan
What am You're one of the best people I've ever met. And to think of you going and like being a corporate junkie for the rest of your life makes me deeply sad.
01:33:19
Drew
Yeah. Good.
01:33:21
Wes MacMillan
ah Yeah, I love that.
01:33:23
Drew
What did he say to that?
01:33:24
Wes MacMillan
He's so funny. ah Dude, he we're so weird. He was actually the last guest, Oscar.
01:33:30
Drew
Oh, I watched that episode. Don't worry. Yeah. Huh? Uh-huh.
01:33:34
Wes MacMillan
I love you for listening.
01:33:35
Drew
Let's hear it.
01:33:36
Wes MacMillan
and But like he's... Me and him are just like kind of like, we get each other, I think.
01:33:43
Drew
yeah
01:33:44
Wes MacMillan
Like he, like, and we never text about like anything like small.
01:33:48
Drew
huh
01:33:49
Wes MacMillan
We literally just text back and forth on a daily basis, just like existential, like deep ass.
01:33:49
Drew
ah
01:33:55
Drew
yeah
01:33:56
Wes MacMillan
Like I'll, I'll read you the latest one.
Career Choices and Personal Values
01:33:59
Drew
here
01:34:00
Wes MacMillan
Um...
01:34:06
Wes MacMillan
I won't read that one because won't to have a real job.
01:34:10
Drew
yeah
01:34:11
Wes MacMillan
Oh,
01:34:19
Wes MacMillan
I have one. The thing about wealth is that it's entirely relative to your costs. And he meant like a lot of people make like 200 grand, but they like, they spend all of it on like fancy car, nice house.
01:34:25
Drew
but
01:34:31
Drew
Yeah.
01:34:33
Wes MacMillan
Like imagine making,
01:34:33
Drew
Yeah. Yeah.
01:34:35
Wes MacMillan
You can make 200 grand.
01:34:35
Drew
Like.
01:34:39
Wes MacMillan
Theoretically, you can make 200 grand and like live cheap as fuck and you just have so much like bonus money.
01:34:46
Drew
Yeah.
01:34:46
Wes MacMillan
But um the better thing is to like make like not that much money doing something you love and just choose, make, be a little more strict on how you spend your money.
01:34:57
Drew
Yeah.
01:34:58
Wes MacMillan
Although going out to dinner is fucking awesome.
01:35:02
Drew
So fun. Like, are you kidding? It's so fucking fun.
01:35:05
Wes MacMillan
and they Some of my friends like love cooking, and I want to love cooking, but I don't. I like i just want to go to restaurant all the time.
01:35:14
Drew
Dinner and drinks is like the highlight of my week like i think that's so fun
01:35:19
Wes MacMillan
do you do i should do happy hour more. i never like If my parents aren't taking me out to dinner, i don't go out to dinner. Dude!
01:35:26
Drew
yeah dude literally my parents i'm like we should go
01:35:32
Wes MacMillan
We... Dead ass, like, especially now that we don't spend a lot of time together, it's like every night I'm with my friends.
01:35:41
Drew
you
01:35:42
Wes MacMillan
I'm like, so where are we going out to dinner? like And they're like, oh, we're going out to dinner? I'm like, yeah.
01:35:48
Drew
yeah we are yeah I know i feel kind of guilty I'm like oh my god because they love it but also I'm like yeah it's fine yeah yeah yeah oh yeah I
01:35:49
Wes MacMillan
Just going out to dinner is awesome.
01:35:57
Wes MacMillan
my dude, my parents like love me more than anything else on the earth. Well, like they love spending time with me. I'm like, all right, let's do it. Getting food. when
01:36:07
Wes MacMillan
my My brother got kind of like the guilt about like making parents spend money, but I don't, I really do.
01:36:13
Drew
love that yeah I love that
01:36:15
Wes MacMillan
Like i I, respect them so much for I'm like, how much they've done for me. I do a hundred percent, but also like, They love me more than anything
Family Support Dynamics
01:36:26
Wes MacMillan
in the world.
01:36:26
Wes MacMillan
So like, everybody they're getting what they want.
01:36:26
Drew
Yeah. They will.
01:36:31
Wes MacMillan
We're going, like they get good food. I don't know. I don't think, maybe I do feel guilty.
01:36:35
Drew
What do your parents do?
01:36:37
Wes MacMillan
Huh?
01:36:37
Drew
What your parents do?
01:36:40
Wes MacMillan
My dad is in data analytics and my mom is a recruiter for Publicis Sapient, a very ah French business company, advertising firm.
01:36:45
Drew
Ooh.
01:36:51
Drew
oh Oh, that's cool.
01:36:55
Wes MacMillan
Yeah, when the McMillians try to be serious, they can do well, but I don't think I want to.
01:36:58
Drew
Yeah. Yeah. ah Someone's got to be the...
01:37:03
Wes MacMillan
I really, i my heart's not in it and I can't fake it. i I had an internship last summer doing data analytics at like, at a financial investment.
01:37:14
Drew
How?
01:37:17
Wes MacMillan
i I'll say, I don't know.
01:37:18
Drew
What was your major? but im i have so many questions about how you ended up where you are Yeah. Yeah.
01:37:25
Wes MacMillan
it's It's been a wild ride. i was in my undergrad, I did data analytics. i First I did finance and then I switched data analytics, both just because I was good at math and I didn't know what I wanted to do.
01:37:37
Wes MacMillan
And then I very quickly realized that I didn't want to do this at all.
01:37:41
Drew
and all
01:37:42
Wes MacMillan
And so I switched to therapy because i got my own mental health stuff and like, I love talking to people and like, but still the whole nine to five, like,
01:37:49
Drew
You do?
01:37:53
Wes MacMillan
You want to know what's crazy to me? we like We were monkeys and now we're like making ourselves go to work 40 hours a week.
01:38:05
Drew
Yeah.
01:38:06
Wes MacMillan
What happened?
01:38:07
Drew
For what? Like literally for what? For a call?
01:38:09
Wes MacMillan
If I was around, that shit would not have happened, I promise you. I would have went to war.
01:38:15
Drew
Where were you when we needed you?
01:38:17
Wes MacMillan
ah I know, ah don't know what happened.
01:38:19
Drew
Oh my God.
01:38:23
Wes MacMillan
And life is still pretty good despite that I'm coming to learn, but what happened? Like we could,
01:38:31
Drew
Right. Monkeys are so simple though. I like to think you can look at it in a good way and a bad way. They're so simple. Like anything makes them happy or like they're so simple and they're boring. They probably never laughed at a TikTok or like, you know,
01:38:43
Wes MacMillan
yeah
01:38:46
Wes MacMillan
but yeah. And that gets back to another thing. going to like,
01:38:54
Wes MacMillan
I don't even know if I want to be ah like, I'm my therapist was legit, like cut the philosophy shit, but i
01:39:00
Drew
me Do you think he listens to this?
01:39:04
Wes MacMillan
no, I just, I just got a new one. Cause I was, I was, I was like, I'm in, I was like, I really liked my therapist.
01:39:07
Drew
Okay. Okay. but
01:39:12
Wes MacMillan
And then I ended up in like a horrible spot. So i was like, you're not working. So now I have a new one.
01:39:17
Drew
but okay
01:39:18
Wes MacMillan
And honestly, I like, he's right, but also he's wrong.
Balancing Philosophy with Practicality
01:39:22
Wes MacMillan
It's a balance. Like I will never stop being a deep person.
01:39:23
Drew
and
01:39:25
Wes MacMillan
I like thinking about the deeper things in life because it's interesting.
01:39:27
Drew
one
01:39:30
Wes MacMillan
But also like,
01:39:35
Wes MacMillan
you know, I got to the point where it's like, i I literally cared about like philosophy more than I cared about me, which is not a good person.
01:39:42
Drew
you Oh, yeah, that's a fine line. It's a fine line.
01:39:44
Wes MacMillan
Not a good place to be.
01:39:45
Drew
Yeah, it's a guess.
01:39:45
Wes MacMillan
And I'm i'm coming back. i so I've sobered up. I wasn't actually. I hope people know what that means. there People are like, I was drunk all the time.
01:39:53
Drew
Yeah, it's a guess. but
01:39:57
Wes MacMillan
i've I've gained some clarity on the matter that like, philosophy i like philosophy because it helped.
01:39:59
Drew
huh
01:40:03
Wes MacMillan
I don't know. It doesn't matter why I like philosophy. I can just like it. And also like, but I will say this.
01:40:07
Drew
yeah it's
01:40:11
Wes MacMillan
And I,
01:40:14
Wes MacMillan
It's so weird because I know when I'm going to say something and people are like, like what do you think you're a philosopher?
01:40:21
Drew
yeah
01:40:21
Wes MacMillan
Maybe. like We don't even have philosophers anymore. i want to be that.
01:40:25
Drew
that's having a homework bro
01:40:27
Wes MacMillan
and know, Homer, Pluto, those dudes are fucking dope. But they literally, they say, and it's absolutely true, like nothing is good or bad. To your point, it's like all about how you look at it.
01:40:40
Wes MacMillan
And grass is always greener. It's like, ah sometimes I get mad about how complicated life is because it can get messy. But also like, it's fucking dope.
01:40:52
Wes MacMillan
Like music, imagine if music never happened. Yeah.
01:40:55
Drew
Music, I was looking at things and it was like the one thing you couldn't live without. And it's like music, absolutely music. I would.
01:41:02
Wes MacMillan
I know like you imagine like car rides imagine like a party without music.
01:41:08
Drew
God, ew, first off, so awkward.
01:41:09
Wes MacMillan
had die Yeah. Yeah.
01:41:12
Drew
That sounds horrible. No, seriously. Also, music is something you can talk to with anybody. Like, you know unless you're like a, i don't know, even like classical.
01:41:18
Wes MacMillan
yeah
01:41:22
Drew
I'll sometimes put on, if I was like studying, I'd put on classical.
01:41:25
Wes MacMillan
I got into a weird classical phase this summer.
01:41:28
Drew
Really?
01:41:28
Wes MacMillan
I was literally, I was an old man. I would like just drink tea, sit outside and listen to classical music.
01:41:30
Drew
That
01:41:33
Wes MacMillan
And it was fucking great.
01:41:35
Drew
sounds like a vibe. Sounds awesome.
01:41:37
Wes MacMillan
I don't even really listen to it anymore though. I've gone back kind of crazy Wes.
01:41:40
Drew
Yeah. Yeah.
01:41:45
Wes MacMillan
And like we're saying, like there's pros and cons to everything.
01:41:49
Drew
Oh, yeah.
01:41:50
Wes MacMillan
But if I've learned anything in the world ever, it's about at like balance.
01:41:58
Drew
Yeah.
01:41:58
Wes MacMillan
There's always two extremes and the answer is always in the middle.
01:42:05
Drew
I agree.
01:42:05
Wes MacMillan
But it's easier said than done. I'm such like a black and white thinker.
01:42:10
Drew
No, yeah, I understand that. It's hard to like think the middle.
01:42:12
Wes MacMillan
like and moderation, I'm not good at it, but I think it's the key.
01:42:18
Drew
No.
01:42:21
Drew
it Yeah, it totally is. And my that's something my parents would always tell me. don't even know in what like capacity. point
01:42:29
Wes MacMillan
mom.
01:42:30
Drew
shut up like a and now I'm like okay yeah you're right like yeah yeah and now I'm like oh my god you're so fucking
01:42:34
Wes MacMillan
I know dude, my mom would always say it to me and I'm like, mom, like genuinely shut up. Like I hate it every time you say that.
Readiness for Parenting
01:42:43
Drew
right fuck
01:42:43
Wes MacMillan
you know. Do you think you're gonna be able to like relay messages to your kids well?
01:42:51
Drew
I hope so that
01:42:52
Wes MacMillan
Because my parents are like, life's about balance. I'm like, mom, I'm so close.
01:42:56
Drew
Yeah, like maybe if they did a little more, like my parents, not yours, but like if they just like, I don't know.
01:43:03
Wes MacMillan
I know, but i think I think it's easier said than done.
01:43:04
Drew
I could talk forever about, it is. And I think everybody, it's like the whole idea like your parents are being parents for the first time and your parents are also on the earth for the first time.
01:43:15
Wes MacMillan
and know I know, they deserve some slack.
01:43:17
Drew
I know.
01:43:18
Wes MacMillan
But also it's insane. Like how, like having a baby, i don't know if I'll ever be ready to do that. I'm probably gonna do it because that would be like, kind of like life is crazy.
01:43:30
Drew
Yeah.
01:43:33
Wes MacMillan
You just kind of got to steer into the skid.
01:43:35
Drew
like I know. I think of but I always relate it to like the first time I got my license. And the first i actually went to Brenna's house for the first time. She was the first person that I went to.
01:43:46
Drew
And I was like in the car alone by myself. And I was like, Oh my God, I can't believe this is like legal. I can't believe i'm allowed to do this. And I think about parents, they must like put their kid in the backseat and be like, Oh my God, like I can't believe I just like have a baby. i can't believe this is legal.
01:44:00
Drew
You know?
01:44:00
Wes MacMillan
Dude, if I ever had a baby in the car when I was driving, like, oh my gosh.
01:44:07
Drew
I know. i like can't wait to have kids, but also I can wait. Like I'm good. Like I'll wait a while.
01:44:13
Wes MacMillan
My therapist, I say shit like that. My therapist is like, that's an ADHD thing. I'm like, no, that's a me thing.
01:44:19
Drew
yeah no.
01:44:19
Wes MacMillan
And I don't know who's right.
01:44:19
Drew
No, that scares me.
01:44:22
Wes MacMillan
But like, if I were to like take a pill and think all of this is normal, I would not take that pill.
01:44:28
Drew
no that scares me
01:44:30
Wes MacMillan
I like, i I feel like I'm very like, not that I'm like right, but like, I should be scared of like all the craziness.
01:44:40
Drew
Yeah.
01:44:43
Wes MacMillan
I don't want to be like, I'm going to my job and then I will like pack, eat my packed lunch and then no.
01:44:49
Drew
Yeah. Come home and go to bed at 8pm and do it all over.
01:44:54
Wes MacMillan
That is not gonna happen.
01:44:56
Drew
Yeah.
01:44:57
Wes MacMillan
ah genuine like I like, I don't even know if I finished this, but I was at that internship last summer and I was like,
01:45:05
Drew
so
01:45:07
Wes MacMillan
no, like everyone was like looking, like I'd pass someone in the hall and they'd be like, I'd be like,
Dissatisfaction with Traditional Careers
01:45:13
Drew
I'm not one of you. Oh my God.
01:45:13
Wes MacMillan
whoa, like I, I'm not i'm not the one.
01:45:17
Wes MacMillan
shouldn't be here.
01:45:18
Drew
Oh my God. Oh my God.
01:45:21
Drew
but i'm not one of you
01:45:23
Wes MacMillan
Not at all.
01:45:24
Drew
but go like
01:45:25
Wes MacMillan
And then they'd like get to like lunch and they'd to be like, oh, did you do anything fun this weekend? And they'd be like, yeah, I went to my kid's soccer game. And I'm like,
01:45:35
Drew
wait
01:45:38
Wes MacMillan
that's not fun. Maybe it is ah you for you guys.
01:45:41
Drew
like god Oh, God. Yeah, that's like, no. Oh, my God.
01:45:48
Wes MacMillan
But I think, go ahead.
01:45:48
Drew
ahead. No, please, after you.
01:45:56
Wes MacMillan
I don't know how they do it.
01:45:59
Drew
Like, are they pretending or do they just like genuinely find it... like okay and interesting and sustainable because that's my thing if they are pretending I honestly and like more okay with that if you like I'm scared of them being like this is I love my life and it's but I guess also that's I guess it's kind of nice that there are people that just like can have a can live a simple life like that but I don't know that's really scary
01:46:11
Wes MacMillan
I am and I'm not.
01:46:29
Wes MacMillan
If they're pretending, it's like, and they are, but they don't think about it like that. I've talked to a lot of them.
01:46:36
Drew
Oh God, so intrigued.
01:46:40
Wes MacMillan
It's like, but I want to make money. It's like, yeah, but at what cost?
01:46:43
Drew
At what? ah Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God.
01:46:51
Wes MacMillan
What did you want to be when you were a little kid?
01:46:51
Drew
Oh, i wow.
01:46:54
Wes MacMillan
That's actually, wanted to be a lacrosse player, which I don't want to be. Sorry, go ahead.
01:46:59
Drew
Laxbow. Okay. Um, I always wanted to be a doctor and then I went to school and I was like, oh, I don't want to be, i specifically was like, I don't want to be in a high risk situation. So then I wanted to be a dentist.
01:47:13
Drew
And then literally up until like four months ago, i was like oh, going to be a dentist. I was studying for dental school. was like, I'm going to do it. And then i was like, I know I don't want to anymore. i can't do it. So then I switched and I'm in sales, which is fun. i I knew I wanted to be in sales after dentist but you know it's interesting that's
01:47:34
Wes MacMillan
I will say I hate dentists.
01:47:38
Drew
the thing i love the dentist i always have i also had like i want to be like specifically an orthodontist um i had i was like in first grade when i got braces and i had them until eighth grade one of my teeth was like out like my front like i had horrible teeth nice teeth
01:47:53
Wes MacMillan
I still have, I wear my retainer now because I try to blend in, but I used to have a massive gap.
01:48:02
Drew
Yeah. What did you do?
01:48:03
Wes MacMillan
Honestly, I hated it. I was deeply...
01:48:05
Drew
Really? That's, I feel like that's, people either love their gaps and are like, I'm never doing it or they hate them. That's interesting.
01:48:12
Wes MacMillan
I kinda, I bet if I had it now, I might, I don't know, dude. Like I and looked uneducated. Is how it looked.
01:48:23
Drew
No.
01:48:24
Wes MacMillan
Like, den I think it is probably all about like the dentist you had, but also like, do you really fuck with teeth that much?
01:48:28
Drew
Yeah.
01:48:33
Drew
Like, weirdly, I wanted, my thing was like, wanted.
01:48:35
Wes MacMillan
If you do, then absolutely do you.
01:48:39
Drew
Yeah, I don't even know why I'm
Beauty Standards and Uniqueness
01:48:41
Drew
defending it. Like, I'm not a dentist, but I don't know. It was interesting.
01:48:44
Wes MacMillan
It's never too late.
01:48:45
Drew
Yeah, ah yeah, exactly.
01:48:48
Wes MacMillan
A quote I love is, if you're breathing, it's not too late.
01:48:51
Drew
I love that.
01:48:53
Wes MacMillan
It looked like my front teeth were like scared of each other. They were so far apart.
01:49:00
Drew
we Okay. I don't think it's that bad, but...
01:49:04
Wes MacMillan
ah No, I'll show you another picture. It was that bad. It was...
01:49:08
Drew
overight Are those just like your natural teeth, though, besides that?
01:49:11
Wes MacMillan
These?
01:49:12
Drew
Yeah.
01:49:13
Wes MacMillan
No, this is all routine.
01:49:13
Drew
my
01:49:14
Wes MacMillan
or I spent $2,000 of my own money to fix my teeth.
01:49:18
Drew
God. Wow, you didn't like them that much. like i i
01:49:21
Wes MacMillan
and
01:49:23
Drew
am a firm believer, though, if you don't like something and you can change it, you know, why not?
01:49:29
Wes MacMillan
But I... I'm almost a firm believer in the opposite. And the answer is probably a balance in between the two. But like you have so little control in like life. Like you have some control.
01:49:42
Wes MacMillan
But I like I think adaptability and that sounds so like it's not what I mean. I mean like I don't know like accepting things you can't change is like kind of what life's all about in my opinion.
01:49:56
Drew
Yeah. i agree.
01:49:58
Wes MacMillan
But yeah, I guess if you can change them, change them.
01:50:02
Drew
I think it depends too. Like, I don't know.
01:50:05
Wes MacMillan
But you want to hear a moment that made me hate my gap more than anything? I was at like a darty in college and one of the person was like at the party was like, I like your gap.
01:50:18
Wes MacMillan
And then I was like, kind of like, thanks. But then everyone else started laughing.
01:50:23
Drew
Oh, that's Okay.
01:50:26
Wes MacMillan
I know.
01:50:27
Drew
i don't I feel like that wasn't a and necessarily like at you kind of thing. I think that was just like, you know what's so funny?
01:50:35
Wes MacMillan
i don't yeah I don't even think it was like intentionally to be mean.
01:50:38
Drew
No, I don't think so either. i think that's one of those things, like, somebody says something that's, like, almost not uncomfortable, but kind of is, and then everybody else is like, I don't really know how to react.
01:50:48
Wes MacMillan
oh
01:50:49
Drew
Okay.
01:50:49
Wes MacMillan
and see
01:50:49
Drew
Okay. Mm-hmm.
01:50:50
Wes MacMillan
but
01:50:50
Drew
Oh,
01:50:51
Wes MacMillan
You want to see the picture? you So I have to explain this.
01:50:54
Drew
yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. okay
01:50:55
Wes MacMillan
When you have... um When you're, I did it through Byte, like BYTE, that's the company my retainer's in, and you have to like put on that thing that makes your, but here.
01:51:03
Drew
oh yeah yeah yeah
01:51:08
Wes MacMillan
but Look how big the calf was.
01:51:14
Drew
Okay, that's hilarious.
01:51:20
Drew
Why is it
01:51:23
Wes MacMillan
It was also taken with like a fisheye camera.
01:51:26
Drew
like... So your eyes are like going in like two different directions.
01:51:32
Drew
Every angle, your eyes are going the opposite way the camera.
01:51:38
Drew
Oh my god, that's...
01:51:38
Wes MacMillan
And like, this is, this is also a fish eye picture, but it didn't look.
01:51:43
Drew
Okay, that one's a little bit more normal. Are you, outside? Like, what are you?
01:51:48
Wes MacMillan
Yeah.
01:51:49
Drew
Oh, my God.
01:51:50
Wes MacMillan
I didn't look like, I don't know. I, I can still hear that laugh on when we look nice gap.
01:51:55
Drew
ah
01:51:56
Wes MacMillan
it was like
01:51:57
Drew
Oh, that's the worst. Oh, my God.
01:51:58
Wes MacMillan
Part of me died.
01:52:00
Drew
Yeah, that's... Yeah. I don't think it was bad, but I get it. but really get
01:52:07
Wes MacMillan
And people who like love me, like really are like, I actually like love your gap.
Tattoos and Personal Expression
01:52:13
Drew
Yeah.
01:52:13
Wes MacMillan
And I was like, I'd love to love it too, but I hate how like when it's, it doesn't look good.
01:52:22
Wes MacMillan
It made it, in some ways it like, it made me, me. but People were like, I love your gap because like, it's so you.
01:52:26
Drew
Yeah.
01:52:29
Wes MacMillan
It's like, you're so unique.
01:52:29
Drew
the Yeah.
01:52:31
Wes MacMillan
And that's why, and that's like a part of life. Like everyone's trying to be the same.
01:52:35
Drew
Yeah.
01:52:36
Wes MacMillan
And it's so, oh.
01:52:38
Drew
No.
01:52:39
Wes MacMillan
You're way better off being your own unique snowflake.
01:52:42
Drew
Yeah.
01:52:45
Wes MacMillan
But it's so hard because everyone's trying to be the same.
01:52:48
Drew
No, it is hard.
01:52:52
Drew
That's a good point. Yeah.
01:52:53
Wes MacMillan
But it is what it is.
01:52:55
Drew
Yeah. Do you any tattoos? Yeah.
01:52:59
Wes MacMillan
No, I'm like too scared to get tattoos.
01:53:03
Drew
have like a shitty little.
01:53:06
Wes MacMillan
What it?
01:53:06
Drew
you know? Can you tell?
01:53:07
Wes MacMillan
A planet?
01:53:08
Drew
Yeah. Saturn.
01:53:09
Wes MacMillan
That's cool.
01:53:10
Drew
it's It's like a stick and poke. I was really in like a stick and poke phase. Like for a solid like.
01:53:16
Wes MacMillan
Dude, when I came to Penn State,
01:53:19
Drew
Oh my God. Yeah. Wait. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah.
01:53:25
Wes MacMillan
you have no idea what was like going on. I was...
01:53:29
Drew
You were like sick though.
01:53:31
Wes MacMillan
yeah what i'll What I'll say for the listeners is like I was sick.
01:53:31
Drew
and ah Yeah. So it's okay
01:53:36
Drew
okay.
01:53:38
Wes MacMillan
And I did not know how much NyQuil to take. I was taking way too much. And I was literally, yeah, I really don't care.
01:53:44
Drew
That's like lean. Sorry. Can I say that? Um. Yeah. Yeah.
01:53:49
Drew
um
01:53:50
Wes MacMillan
i would i literally, like, i remember, like, standing up on a bed, and I, like, fell asleep, and I fell table. It was so, bad. it was
01:53:59
Drew
Yeah.
01:54:00
Wes MacMillan
no so so bad
01:54:02
Drew
Oh my god. And our place was like, oh my god. We still talk about that weekend. Like, Cal and I and were like, oh my god.
01:54:08
Wes MacMillan
I can't believe I didn't get a stick and poke.
01:54:08
Drew
Thank
01:54:10
Wes MacMillan
Like I'm last weekend. I got a mullet.
01:54:13
Drew
god. Like, I'm glad you didn't.
01:54:17
Wes MacMillan
Last weekend I got a mullet because there was like, we were having fun and there was a razor.
01:54:24
Drew
Oh my god.
01:54:24
Wes MacMillan
Like I'm such like a just do it kind of guy, especially when having fun.
01:54:26
Drew
no Yeah. Oh, yeah. oh yeah ah yeah For all our under 21 listeners.
01:54:32
Wes MacMillan
But,
01:54:36
Wes MacMillan
but also like,
01:54:39
Wes MacMillan
Yeah, I can't believe I didn't. One, I can't believe I didn't get one. Two,
01:54:43
Drew
I'm glad. I would have been like, sure. Yeah.
01:54:46
Wes MacMillan
somewhat glad I didn't get one.
01:54:48
Drew
ah Yeah.
College Experiences and Adventure
01:54:49
Wes MacMillan
I remember holding some kid's hand while he got one.
01:54:51
Drew
yeah
01:54:53
Wes MacMillan
Alex, was it?
01:54:54
Drew
how
01:54:54
Wes MacMillan
love
01:54:55
Drew
I wrote relax on his like leg. He's still...
01:54:59
Wes MacMillan
it. It's kind of corny, but also like awesome.
01:54:59
Drew
he
01:55:03
Drew
That's... It's... Yeah.
01:55:05
Wes MacMillan
But I loved that kid.
01:55:05
Drew
i
01:55:06
Wes MacMillan
I remember loving that kid a lot.
01:55:10
Wes MacMillan
I barely knew.
01:55:13
Wes MacMillan
therapy Yeah, that week, I'm glad I made it through that weekend. is i guess And then yeah we were going to the football game.
01:55:17
Drew
Yeah. No, yeah. That's a good... That's an impressive theme.
01:55:22
Wes MacMillan
I woke up and I was like, I I know now how much medicine to take, sort of.
01:55:24
Drew
Yeah, he didn't come.
01:55:34
Drew
Well, yeah, that was a specific.
01:55:37
Wes MacMillan
Because I was so excited for that weekend and then I was very sick.
01:55:41
Drew
Yeah.
01:55:41
Wes MacMillan
And I was like, I'm just going to power through. I like, my mentality is always, I'm just going to power through it, which has pros and cons.
01:55:44
Drew
Yeah.
01:55:47
Drew
Yeah. Well, that's where I learned that you can't mix the two either. Like, I would not have known that. And then I saw you and I was like, okay, I'm never going to do that.
01:55:58
Wes MacMillan
And also, oh yeah, it was a proper display on why you should not mix it.
01:56:02
Drew
Yeah. No, it was good. It was funny. Also, we were hurt were horrible. that Everybody was bad that weekend. You were like, yeah.
01:56:08
Wes MacMillan
It was funny. But i I also now know that I shouldn't power through being sick because I can get other people sick. And that's not.
01:56:18
Drew
Yeah, that's true. We were, I remember that. i mean, our place, like you saw it. don't know if you remember it. It was fucking disgusting. Like we were sick the whole year.
01:56:26
Wes MacMillan
I love You guys had such dude, you should have seen our apartment.
01:56:31
Drew
Oh
01:56:32
Wes MacMillan
if It was a million times. Like people, at one time freshman year, someone came to me in Matt's apartment and they took a video and it got posted on like JME Barstool.
01:56:35
Drew
my God.
01:56:41
Drew
Wow. Wow.
01:56:45
Wes MacMillan
I'm like a person who like lets everything get dirty and then I clean it up all at once and then it gets dirty and then it's like waves.
01:56:45
Drew
how
01:56:49
Drew
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not going to clean it up if it's like
01:56:53
Wes MacMillan
Like, Trust me, I did not think your apartment was dirty. I also thought Penn State's college town was so fucking cool.
01:56:58
Drew
a... It's, yeah.
01:57:02
Wes MacMillan
What's the name of it?
01:57:02
Drew
I mean, I'm not... State College. Happy Valley. University Park. ah we with do
01:57:10
Wes MacMillan
What do you, you guys do something when they say like Penn State.
01:57:13
Drew
We are.
01:57:17
Drew
but oh my god. I just got chills.
01:57:18
Wes MacMillan
not But you guys are also like legit at sports. Like Jay, we'd win every game by like 100. But like we were playing like South Oklahoma. So it's like who gives a fuck?
01:57:27
Drew
Yeah. ah Yeah. I mean, obviously sports are more fun when you're good, but like, I think regardless, like a fun tailgate is like, that's like the best day of my life. Like a Saturday warm, like 70 degree day tailgate for whatever.
01:57:44
Drew
Like, I think that's like the most fun ever.
01:57:46
Wes MacMillan
I'm so like in between, just part of me is like a genuine like hiking. It's so like simple and it's like so calm and I like it. I love everything about hiking. It's outside, you're with your friends.
01:57:59
Wes MacMillan
It always leads to a good conversation. It's technically exercise. You get like good views. Being in nature makes me feel like unbelievable.
01:58:07
Drew
sir
01:58:09
Wes MacMillan
But also like I have the other side of me that loves a good tailgate. I, you know, love, Matt loves a good tailgate.
01:58:13
Drew
Yeah.
01:58:16
Wes MacMillan
i
01:58:19
Wes MacMillan
I have so much like guilt around like having fun.
Gender Roles and Friendship Differences
01:58:22
Drew
Really?
01:58:24
Wes MacMillan
It's terrible.
01:58:25
Drew
That's why.
01:58:26
Wes MacMillan
Every time, like even right now, it's like, I shouldn't be doing that. Like I should like, yeah, and it sucks.
01:58:32
Drew
you think there's something like more productive you should be doing yeah
01:58:38
Wes MacMillan
sucks so bad because I like to have fun.
01:58:41
Drew
yeah yeah i think i need some of the opposite i think i have more guilt doing productive things
01:58:45
Wes MacMillan
But no, guilt is so dumb and pointless and stupid. Like but you work hard, you deserve to have fun.
01:58:58
Drew
Yeah.
01:58:59
Wes MacMillan
Same with me.
01:59:00
Drew
Well, no, yeah. that's That's so interesting. i feel like not a lot of people talk about that.
01:59:06
Wes MacMillan
I'm so caught up in like trying to be the perfect person.
01:59:10
Drew
Yeah.
01:59:11
Wes MacMillan
It's so, I don't even know why.
01:59:13
Drew
That's funny, because I feel like it like contradicts the whole like being silly and like that side, which is interesting.
01:59:21
Wes MacMillan
It does.
01:59:25
Wes MacMillan
But the beauty of it, and this is why like therapy is a good thing. It's like, if you say something out loud, that's half the battle.
01:59:34
Drew
Yeah.
01:59:36
Wes MacMillan
Like Matt, like, i love Matt Boyle. And I need to be more like Matt Boyle. Because Matt, you, like, there is, like, tailgate is perfection.
01:59:47
Wes MacMillan
And I'm like, it's a Saturday.
01:59:47
Drew
Yeah. i You should have no worry.
01:59:50
Wes MacMillan
Why the fuck, like, can't I have fun?
01:59:52
Drew
Yeah.
01:59:55
Wes MacMillan
Yeah. But I, yeah, I've never really even talked about this guilt. But it, it sucks.
02:00:00
Drew
That's really interesting.
02:00:01
Wes MacMillan
And that's another part of this podcast. Because men don't talk about anything. So I'm. And people find it interesting.
02:00:07
Drew
don't they don't yeah
02:00:10
Wes MacMillan
And hopefully men can learn that you can, because dead ass, if like you're not allowed to do something, it takes more courage to do it than to not do it.
02:00:19
Drew
yeah for sure i mean especially for men i feel like this podcast is
02:00:25
Wes MacMillan
you know. Grass is always greener, but being a man, how's being a woman is being a man sucks sometimes.
02:00:32
Drew
It's, you know, it's good. I love being a girl and like, you'll see like, oh my God, girlhood, like womanhood. But like, honestly, like I love that. I would never want to be a guy.
02:00:43
Drew
i just like being a dude. Like I couldn't, I couldn't do it. i love being a girl.
02:00:48
Wes MacMillan
like yeah I would never want to be a girl. If I was born a girl, maybe.
02:00:55
Wes MacMillan
um definitely not switching.
02:00:56
Drew
Yeah. This is a safe space.
02:00:59
Wes MacMillan
There's a lot of good things about being a guy.
02:01:03
Drew
Yeah.
02:01:03
Wes MacMillan
I mean.
02:01:04
Drew
I do love how like, correct me if I'm wrong, but like simple, like and not simple. I don't, I don't think that's a good word, but like, I'll see guys that I've never met.
02:01:13
Wes MacMillan
Not messy.
02:01:15
Drew
What?
02:01:15
Wes MacMillan
Not messy.
02:01:17
Drew
Like, Yeah, but, like, they'll go up they've never met and they're just like, what's up, bro? like Like, you play pickup and then they're best friends for life. Like, it's so like, easy.
02:01:29
Drew
I don't know. Which I'm sure it's not. I feel like that's just, you know, an outsider perspective. But there's something very, don't know, nice to, like, see.
02:01:37
Wes MacMillan
it It is that easy, especially for some people. I'm like half bro, half nerd. So it's weird.
02:01:46
Wes MacMillan
But sometimes it is that like, I have a friend who's like that and it's like, I love, I have two, Two of my best friends are like that. And I'd love to be around them because it's just so easy.
02:01:57
Drew
Yeah.
02:01:59
Wes MacMillan
It's so simple.
02:02:00
Drew
Yeah.
02:02:01
Wes MacMillan
It's like, what should we do today? Let's do this. Okay, cool. Instead of like debating it for a fucking like hour
02:02:06
Drew
Yeah. young
02:02:10
Wes MacMillan
And it's je it's like, i love I like my best friend from college, one of them, my other best friend from college, Mikey, he's like that. And like genuinely, my parents like, or like you talk about Mikey, like you're in love with Mikey. And I'm like, I low key am.
02:02:25
Wes MacMillan
Like i he's such a cool dude.
02:02:26
Drew
yeah
02:02:28
Wes MacMillan
He's like six, four.
02:02:30
Drew
yeah
02:02:30
Wes MacMillan
He's funny. He's just like, he's probably the second most chill. First, probably the second most chill guy I've ever met. If not, he's probably tied for first.
02:02:38
Drew
Yeah.
02:02:40
Wes MacMillan
And is it's so easy to be around them.
02:02:40
Drew
Who's number one?
02:02:43
Drew
Yeah.
Superpower Choices and Musical Talent
02:02:44
Wes MacMillan
And it's like a lot of people, it seems like girls and even like a lot of guys, it's like, oh, what should we watch? Like they guys just put on sports and they're like, cool.
02:02:53
Drew
Yeah. There's just so many layers. And it's also like... I mean, I'm sure guys feel like this too, but like girls, I feel like it's kind of like in our nature to be like, what do they want to watch? What does this person want to watch?
02:03:04
Drew
Like, let me, like, let me make sure that we're like all go to watch what we want to watch.
02:03:04
Wes MacMillan
Yeah. Yeah.
02:03:08
Drew
Like there's no, you can't.
02:03:08
Wes MacMillan
And you can't please everyone. That's the thing.
02:03:13
Wes MacMillan
Me, Matt, and our three girlfriends, three or four girlfriends from college, we've literally like sat in front of like Netflix and debated for like an hour watching.
02:03:23
Drew
Yeah. Yeah.
02:03:26
Wes MacMillan
Dude.
02:03:26
Drew
And it's just like, oh my God.
02:03:28
Wes MacMillan
Does it fucking matter?
02:03:29
Drew
Yeah. And it's something like as small as like watching a movie and you're like, why the fuck am I spending time on this? Like, it's so dumb.
02:03:36
Wes MacMillan
I know.
02:03:37
Drew
Yeah.
02:03:39
Drew
I get that.
02:03:39
Wes MacMillan
You want to wrap?
02:03:41
Drew
Yeah. This was good. Yeah.
02:03:42
Wes MacMillan
I know you'll, you'll be on every time I have someone on, it's like, you'll be on again. Besides.
02:03:47
Drew
i I expect another invitation. um invitation
02:03:51
Wes MacMillan
It's also like, for anyone who's listening, me and Drew do not know each other that well.
02:03:55
Drew
yeah yeah Yeah, I
02:03:57
Wes MacMillan
We'll bet once.
02:04:01
Wes MacMillan
But we're in love.
02:04:02
Drew
part. Wait, that's crazy.
02:04:04
Wes MacMillan
All right.
02:04:05
Drew
Okay. Okay.
02:04:06
Wes MacMillan
all right, last thing. I don't even know if I like this segment, but what would you tell your younger self?
02:04:11
Drew
Oh my God. What are you telling yourself?
02:04:13
Wes MacMillan
Actually, fuck that. It's always like a dumb.
02:04:15
Drew
Okay. Yeah. Okay. yeah Okay. Okay.
02:04:18
Wes MacMillan
I'll disrespect to my past listeners, but like, let's have some fun. um
02:04:26
Wes MacMillan
If you could have, nah.
02:04:32
Wes MacMillan
If you could have any superpower, what would it be?
02:04:34
Drew
Oh my God. Oh, I would be able to play any instrument and play any song.
02:04:41
Wes MacMillan
That would be incredible.
02:04:43
Drew
Yeah.
02:04:43
Wes MacMillan
and one Dude, i have a guitar.
02:04:46
Drew
Oh yeah, I see it peeking out in the corner there.
02:04:49
Wes MacMillan
She's hiding. don't know how to play it. People like enter my room they're like oh you play the guitar? I'm like, yeah.
02:04:58
Drew
No, why do you say that?
02:05:00
Wes MacMillan
But i I learned for a little bit when I was on break. And it is a cool instrument. But I want to learn how to play the piano. Because...
02:05:08
Drew
Yeah.
02:05:09
Wes MacMillan
That's like a metaphor for like my life. It's like, I
02:05:15
Wes MacMillan
um like i was like, what instrument should I learn? And people were like, oh, the guitar, guitar is cool. you can take it anywhere. It's like, but yeah, but I want to learn the piano.
02:05:24
Drew
It was different.
02:05:24
Wes MacMillan
And i it's like,
02:05:25
Drew
Yeah. Yeah.
02:05:27
Drew
It's so cool. And like the like the guy that sits down and just plays piano is like, you're the fucking coolest person in the room.
02:05:35
Wes MacMillan
And like classical is like so calm, but also like some of my favorite, like Runaway is my favorite song of all time. And then I know, dude.
02:05:43
Drew
You can learn that.
02:05:45
Wes MacMillan
And i I will, that and is a promise.
02:05:47
Drew
Yeah.
02:05:48
Wes MacMillan
I will.
02:05:48
Drew
Yeah. Yeah.
02:05:49
Wes MacMillan
Because and dude, like piano man, if you ever played that part, like that song at a party, oh my God, ever.
02:05:56
Drew
You're the coolest guy in the entire. Yeah.
02:05:59
Wes MacMillan
And like Vienna by Billy Joel, there's probably some piano in there.
02:06:01
Drew
my God. Oh my God.
02:06:04
Wes MacMillan
I'm a piano guy and I'm done trying to be.
02:06:07
Drew
Yeah. Yeah.
02:06:07
Wes MacMillan
All
02:06:10
Drew
Speak your truth.
02:06:12
Wes MacMillan
right. Should I do the superhero one?
02:06:14
Drew
Yeah. Do it.
02:06:18
Wes MacMillan
That's a good one. I've never heard that. Um.
02:06:21
Drew
That's like.
02:06:27
Wes MacMillan
I don't even know if this is my real answer, but this is my answer. If you could like stop time, have you ever seen the movie like Click? It's by Adam Sandler.
02:06:35
Drew
no
02:06:37
Wes MacMillan
It's like, people are like, think it's a corny movie, but I cried watching it.
02:06:43
Wes MacMillan
But I, they' like he has a remote where he can stop time and you can do some pretty funny stuff with it.
02:06:48
Drew
that's cool
02:06:50
Wes MacMillan
It was probably get old quickly.
02:06:52
Drew
cool pranks but then also have like some like you know some chill moments no that's so cool
02:06:57
Wes MacMillan
your Your answer is my answer, but like imagine being able stop time, like walk over to someone, slap them in the face as hard as you walk back, press play, and then they're just like, ah.
02:07:11
Drew
crazy
02:07:12
Wes MacMillan
I don't know if that would ever get old, especially if you like didn't like someone. It's
02:07:17
Drew
oh my god you slap him like five times in one minute
02:07:21
Wes MacMillan
slap every part of their body, and then they just unpause it.
02:07:29
Drew
that's a good
02:07:29
Wes MacMillan
All right.
02:07:30
Drew
i like that okay
02:07:31
Wes MacMillan
Thank you everyone for listening. Thank you, Drew, for coming on. you're watching on YouTube, subscribe. If you're listening on Spotify, rate it five stars. I love you for listening.
02:07:42
Wes MacMillan
Me and Drew will be back.
02:07:44
Drew
Yeah. Not the last of us.
02:07:45
Wes MacMillan
Peace.
02:07:45
Drew
Thanks for having me.
02:07:47
Wes MacMillan
See you, Drew.
02:07:48
Drew
Okay. Bye.