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Do you feed that dawg in you or your inner B****? - Episode 10
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Are you feeding your inner beast or your inner b****? Wes and Jerome dive deep into life’s philosophy, exploring Freud’s theories, stoicism, and David Goggins’ relentless mindset. From personal growth to embracing change, this episode is packed with raw conversations, thought-provoking ideas, and hilarious moments. Whether you're chasing zen, testing your limits, or just vibing, this episode will leave you reflecting on who’s really in control of your inner dialogue. Don’t miss the ride—it's as real as it gets!
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Transcript
Introduction and Platform Change
00:00:00
Wes MacMillan
What's going on, everybody? I'm glitching. Am I back? All right, we're back. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to Westreflex, the future biggest podcast in the world.
00:00:14
Rome
and so
00:00:15
Wes MacMillan
Today we got a hell of a guest, Lucas Jerome Canelli. How you doing, man?
00:00:20
Rome
I'm doing good. I'm doing good. Thank you for having me. I'm pleased to be here.
00:00:24
Wes MacMillan
Course man, I'd like to thank you for coming on. And this is something a little new we're doing is we're filming on Zencaster instead of Zoom. See if people care about the quality or not.
00:00:36
Rome
Not sponsored.
00:00:37
Wes MacMillan
Yeah, actually, no, we're not on Zencaster yet. If they pay us some money, maybe we will be later. But if you notice an increase in quality, it's because we're coming to play here.
Personal Change and Constant Evolution
00:00:49
Wes MacMillan
We're not fucking around. And today I asked Jerome to prepare his favorite saying, and that's where we're going to start.
00:00:58
Rome
um Yeah, so I like knew of this. Someone recently said it and I was like, damn, that's pretty cool. ah the The saying is, a man cannot step into the same river twice because it is not the same river and he is not the same man.
00:01:12
Wes MacMillan
bu
00:01:17
Rome
I rock with that. Rock with that heavy.
00:01:19
Wes MacMillan
That sounds like a wise man who said that.
00:01:24
Rome
Yeah, cool guy too. um
00:01:26
Wes MacMillan
What is it?
00:01:28
Rome
what What is what? what um I think it's just like a reminder that like as a person, me specifically, like I'm always changing, like just remind myself that I'm not the same person.
00:01:30
Wes MacMillan
What does that mean to you?
00:01:44
Rome
I was just keep that in mind. And also like the situations you're in aren't the same. I don't know. Just reminder. Like the flow of things is constantly happening.
00:01:57
Rome
You know what I mean?
00:01:59
Wes MacMillan
Yeah, when you said it, I've heard that before also too.
00:02:02
Rome
Yeah, yeah.
00:02:04
Wes MacMillan
And, um, yeah, when you said it this time, though, what struck me was like, everything's changing. And also it made me think of like, Right person, right time, right person, wrong time, wrong time, right person, and other actions.
00:02:17
Rome
Yeah.
00:02:22
Rome
Yeah. You just buffered a little. I didn't really hear what you said.
00:02:29
Wes MacMillan
It made me think of like right person, wrong time, wrong person, right time, and like all of the things, like all of the things that have to line up to really make something work.
00:02:41
Rome
Yeah. yeah it's I don't know. Part of it is more like, i more I rock with the part about yourself. Like you're not the same. person. I don't know.
00:02:51
Rome
It's like every situation you go in and you have like the tools that you've given yourself and like over time like you have different tools for different situations.
00:03:01
Rome
So I guess what you're saying like wrong time like you might just not be as prepared for ah certain situations in the past as you would be now and just keeping that in mind when you like go through stuff.
00:03:06
Wes MacMillan
here
00:03:13
Rome
um I guess not to be as hard on yourself as ah I guess part of it to like just understanding where you're at and where you could be and where you were.
00:03:23
Wes MacMillan
who
00:03:24
Rome
I like the flow of it. The flow of it is comforting to me, like a continuous path of um not even improvement, but change.
00:03:27
Wes MacMillan
Yeah.
00:03:32
Rome
um
00:03:34
Rome
Yeah, I just saw the name of it ah the room we're in.
00:03:38
Wes MacMillan
What is it?
00:03:39
Rome
it's Jerome's on the pod, to watch your mouth.
00:03:42
Wes MacMillan
ah Yeah.
00:03:42
Rome
It's the name.
00:03:44
Wes MacMillan
and I think that'll be the name of the pod. It said like, I've never had to name a Zoom room. So that popped up. So I was
Stoicism and Ancient Wisdom
00:03:50
Wes MacMillan
like.
00:03:50
Rome
Yeah, tough.
00:03:51
Wes MacMillan
i
00:03:51
Rome
No, I was just like talking about all that shit and I looked looked at the URL.
00:03:57
Rome
Yeah, I've, i've I don't know, you've described yourself as a, as a stoic. And I don't know if I'd like prescribed to that because I haven't like looked enough into it to be like, that's me.
00:04:10
Rome
But, um, that I've looked that quote up and it was like on like, stoics are us. So. like the website or whatever. So I don't know, that's definitely cool, a cool concept of like, I don't know, understanding yourself, but
00:04:27
Wes MacMillan
Yeah, it makes me think like, because you could walk into the river ah river one time, and this is an analogy for more of like ah like a relationship in your life, but it'd be like, this isn't a good fit. But you could walk away, come back, and if you're a different person, and the river is also different water, then it could be a good fit.
00:04:48
Rome
Is this like relationships?
00:04:51
Wes MacMillan
That's just what came to my mind.
00:04:52
Rome
Yeah, I was gonna say like, in terms of that, I got a tough time for getting the old river, but like, if it's like a different, it's the same river I walked past, like it's gonna be, I don't know, it's gonna be, it's gonna be different, but,
00:05:10
Wes MacMillan
I'm with you.
00:05:11
Rome
but no, I get what you're saying. I just would, I don't even relate it I mean, I guess definitely in terms of personal relations, but also in terms of just like situations in life. Like if you're like applying for a like a job or like, uh, just anything like that. Um, like say you apply for a job and you don't get it and because you don't get it. Like you do all this other stuff that builds experience. Like, like you, you can apply for the same job. You're not the same person that applied for it last time and stuff like that. You know what I mean?
Power Dynamics and Influence
00:05:45
Rome
Like just knowing that.
00:05:47
Rome
that just because you failed at something in the past doesn't mean that like you can never try it again. you know'm just
00:05:54
Wes MacMillan
Yeah, I'm also not trying to revisit any old rivers, but I also, I watched this movie and it's like this Latino man, it was like
00:05:58
Rome
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:06:07
Wes MacMillan
I'm not going to know the name of the movie, but he wants to be an astronaut, like so bad. And he applies to NASA like 14 times. And then he gets it on like the 15th time. And J Cole has talked about this. He's like, if you like go for something 14 times and quit, it's like, what if you got it on the 15th? Like you'll never know.
00:06:26
Rome
It's like when you're gambling.
00:06:30
Rome
No, but it is, you know, like the picture of the dude mining for diamonds.
00:06:31
Wes MacMillan
so
00:06:34
Wes MacMillan
i Dude, I almost just fucking said that.
00:06:36
Rome
You could like, I don't know, it's like a big gambling, like whatever, but it is like a cool, like visualization of in into general, I guess, but to me, when I'm cooking my parlays,
00:06:46
Wes MacMillan
it is It's a tool.
00:06:49
Wes MacMillan
It does like promote never giving up, but I guess it could be applied to gambling.
00:06:52
Rome
that's no, I
00:06:57
Wes MacMillan
It's a dangerous game when you do.
00:06:58
Rome
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:07:02
Wes MacMillan
But yes, stoicism is essentially like I, I use it a lot. I apply it a lot. I think about it a lot, but like the only, the only thing it is, is like focus on what's in your control.
00:07:14
Wes MacMillan
And I think it's a philosophy, but I could be wrong.
00:07:15
Rome
It's like a branch of like sociology, right? Like.
00:07:22
Rome
Yeah, OK, ideology.
00:07:25
Wes MacMillan
Yeah.
00:07:26
Rome
Is it like a creator or a founder?
00:07:29
Wes MacMillan
Um, my dad talks about it a lot, but.
00:07:32
Rome
Sir Douglas Stoick.
00:07:34
Wes MacMillan
probably Oh, I think the creator legit is Marcus Aurelius. You heard of him?
00:07:40
Rome
Oh, yeah. Yeah, Roman. Good guy. Yeah.
00:07:42
Wes MacMillan
He's a big dog in the Stoicism game.
00:07:44
Rome
yeah
00:07:45
Wes MacMillan
And he, like, he, it's crazy. He wrote a book, like, I don't know how many years ago. I don't really know anything about details, the devil's in the details, but he wrote a book when he was like a leader and people like read it today as like wisdom.
00:07:59
Wes MacMillan
And this was thousands of
Inner Peace vs. Chasing Power
00:08:01
Wes MacMillan
years ago.
00:08:02
Rome
Well, do you know the name of the book?
00:08:04
Wes MacMillan
It's called Meditations.
00:08:07
Rome
What's the book? ah Hold on, i I know the author, Lao Tzu. What's that guy's book?
00:08:13
Wes MacMillan
Oh yeah, the Art of War.
00:08:15
Rome
Yeah, those guys put like, it's like, you like look at some of this and you're like, this is so like obvious in general, but like when they were writing it, like they, like they wrote it so fucking long ago.
00:08:26
Rome
Like the people that were writing, like their general audience was like, Like, what were the Romans doing back in Rome? You know what I mean? Like, it wasn't like they were living a life where this, the stuff he was writing, you know, was obvious. But it's cool that, like, it still applies today, I guess. Like, it stands to test the time. That's when you know you were spitting. When the legacy lives on.
00:08:56
Wes MacMillan
And it makes me think of the quote nothing new under the sun like we think and Yes and no. Like I, like they say paul you always think politicians were corrupt, but then if you like go back and watch the debates from like Obama and McCain, like they were pretty respectful and now it's a goddamn circus.
00:09:16
Rome
yeah that's the i don't Yeah, but it's like nothing new in general, but us as beings, everything is new, if that makes sense.
00:09:19
Wes MacMillan
But in some senses, I think overall nothing new under the sun.
00:09:35
Wes MacMillan
yeah
00:09:36
Rome
But I guess like the collective knowledge of all of us, like, I guess, and we're at like a point where that's full of the other fingertips, like more than ever, where you can just like look to see what
00:09:42
Wes MacMillan
who
00:09:46
Rome
like everyone has said about something. I think it's a good and a bad thing. Like, I don't know, yesterday I found myself like looking up like, I'm a little hungry. I think I want like a sweet treat, but ice cream feels too much.
00:09:57
Wes MacMillan
Yeah. If you were looking it up.
00:09:59
Rome
Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's like, and you're like looking, no, not specifically that, but I'm saying like, you could like rely on Google. Like, like, I don't know.
00:10:08
Wes MacMillan
Yeah.
00:10:09
Rome
Like i so I've seen a bunch of stuff where it's like, these like, ah like you're on your Twitter, and you like to see like, people who post like Reddit forums or whatever.
00:10:19
Wes MacMillan
here
00:10:20
Rome
And it's like, um like teachers of the US. s And it's like these kids, these, these kids don't know how to type, they don't know how to write, like, they don't know how to research, they just Google stuff and chat GPT stuff, which is definitely like, I don't know.
00:10:34
Wes MacMillan
um
00:10:35
Rome
It's interesting.
00:10:37
Wes MacMillan
I'm a little over reliant on chat, like all, like, especially with like cooking, like I'll go to make a smoothie. I'm like, how much cinnamon should I put in? How much garlic should I put in? And I never like even remember. I chat GBT it every time. And also like anything with the gym Thursday, I've become over aligned on it.
00:10:57
Rome
Yeah, after this, like, final theres yeah stretch of finals for school, it it was rough. I'd write, like, two, three papers, and there was a lot and a lot of tape. It's nice, like, you could put, like your like, your thoughts into it and, like, the outline of the essay and be, like, just fill it in with my information, but's which I didn't do on these past essays if my professors are peeping this, I guess. Imagine.
00:11:27
Rome
Imagine,
Influence on Personal Interests
00:11:29
Rome
I get an email, it's like, yeah.
00:11:29
Wes MacMillan
There's a lot of people tuning in on YouTube.
00:11:34
Wes MacMillan
But I never, I never read that Lao Tzu book, The Art of War, but I did. I start to, I started to read The 50 Laws of Power by Robert Greene. And it was like, undeniably interesting. Like one of them was like, never outshine your master, which was cool. And I thought like wise, but then I started to be like, I don't want to just like manipulate people in my daily life. Like it felt a little weird.
00:11:59
Rome
like his like information you don't want to just live directly by it I guess is that what you're saying yeah well that's what I like I don't know like different perspectives like it's I don't like you can look through like and read these books of all these people and who live with different times with different perspectives and like
00:12:05
Wes MacMillan
Well, it's literally like 50 laws of power listed out. And it's like, I'm not, I'm not living in a pursuit of power. I'm just like living that chill and vibe and kick
00:12:29
Rome
Pick the ones that you think apply to you the most and build your own like tenants and foundations through that.
00:12:31
Wes MacMillan
who
00:12:35
Wes MacMillan
yeah.
00:12:36
Rome
So you could read all 50 of those and be like 47 of those were were awful. Like those suck. But like three year old were pretty cool. I like this dude's four rules and this other dude had this cool thing he said.
00:12:46
Wes MacMillan
yeah.
00:12:48
Rome
It's like building your own like net of, I don't know what you find interesting. Very important, I guess.
00:12:58
Wes MacMillan
And I definitely do that with like. I hear something from like one religion, I take it and I'm like, I don't really care about the rest and I do that. Like I like forgiveness from Christianity, I like meditation from like Buddhism.
00:13:13
Wes MacMillan
And I, because I especially when you start to be like, this is the book, everything in this book is right. And if you don't like this book, then fuck you.
00:13:19
Rome
Yeah, come on, man.
00:13:21
Wes MacMillan
That's not chill man.
00:13:25
Wes MacMillan
But I, ah Yeah, and it it wasn't that the laws like weren't true. It was almost felt like they were too true and I didn't want to like abuse them because my life's not just all about power.
00:13:35
Wes MacMillan
like One of them is like, give the people beneath you like just enough so they rely on you, but they can't leave you. And I'm like, i I'm not that kind of dude.
00:13:44
Rome
That's funny.
00:13:47
Wes MacMillan
like i don't want like yeah I'm not trying to keep people beneath me.
00:13:47
Rome
Write that shit down, write it down.
00:13:52
Wes MacMillan
i got like I'm trying to make friends and have fun.
00:13:55
Rome
Yeah, yeah, that's fair.
00:13:59
Wes MacMillan
But I also read a book by 50 Cent, which I don't like his rap music at all. 50, if you're listening to this, I'm sorry. But he...
00:14:09
Rome
If the Iraq, which you dog, don't worry about that.
00:14:11
Wes MacMillan
fifth man, like, we'll talk. But he...
00:14:14
Rome
Yeah.
00:14:16
Wes MacMillan
don't love his music, but his book was like, he moves, like he's the most, how I put it is he's the most like calculated man ever. Like he, he's like always thinking about power.
00:14:26
Rome
Well.
00:14:28
Wes MacMillan
He's thinking about how to like get what he wants and like every single interaction.
00:14:32
Rome
Do you think that's a healthy mindset of how to interact is.
00:14:37
Wes MacMillan
That's what I mean, because that's the reason I was fading Robert's Fiddy laws, because I it didn't feel,
00:14:48
Wes MacMillan
No, I don't uh, I think there's a place for it sometimes like maybe in the negotiation room No But
00:14:53
Rome
Yeah, like in the corporate life, maybe like you want to always have like the edge of power on your mind because you want to improve but like if you were like meeting someone at like a bar or something, how do I how do I get this person below me? you know Like,
00:15:12
Rome
Give them give them just enough.
00:15:16
Wes MacMillan
And even, but I know a lot of like guys who like pursue girls and it's like a power game and some of them are successful.
00:15:23
Rome
Yeah.
00:15:25
Wes MacMillan
And it's like Robert Greene, same dude who wrote that book, he's like the art of seduction. So this dude's like just like taking things that are just like, in some senses are just like normal and natural.
00:15:37
Wes MacMillan
And he's like wants to become a weapon.
00:15:45
Rome
I saw like, I'm just, like there's this rapper who I saw who is like, he's like, when not when I go to the strip club, like I'm not throwing money for girls. I'm throwing money to throw more money than the dude next to me. It's like a similar thing. thank Yeah. I was trying to look up who said it. Cause it was kind of like a
Happiness: Internal vs. External
00:16:04
Rome
popular rap. I remember being like, oh damn, that's kind of fucked. He's like, I won't throw it. I don't throw it to make the girls happy. I'd throw it to let the boys know I got more ones in them. Yeah.
00:16:15
Wes MacMillan
I, yeah, I'm not trying to be that guy.
00:16:18
Wes MacMillan
A guy I have been though is like, um walking I'm inclined walking on the tready and the girl next to me is at like 3.2 and I'll be like 3.3 incline five.
00:16:18
Rome
yeah
00:16:23
Rome
Yeah.
00:16:29
Wes MacMillan
Fuck you.
00:16:30
Rome
Look at her while you do it. yeah
00:16:35
Wes MacMillan
I do a little get competitive there, but that's like me working harder. So I benefit from that. It's not me like losing money. Know what I mean? Type shit.
00:16:45
Rome
just try show down your yes That's how what that was. You just try to hit one of these.
00:16:52
Wes MacMillan
No, I was just moving my hand back and my I'm never going like that You won't catch me doing that but yeah, I don't One I don't think it's healthy and two I
00:16:54
Rome
yeah You should know what I mean. You can just punch your mic.
00:17:11
Wes MacMillan
Like my goal, and I was talking about this little on the last episode, but my goal isn't to be really become as powerful. Like I'm literally, and this sounds like, I don't know what this sounds like, kind of sounds dumb, but it's like, I'm genuinely trying to just become like as chill, as like Zen, as peaceful as I can.
00:17:30
Rome
What do you, what would you say is like the concernable difference between power and influence? Like say you put this podcast out and you start getting like millions of listeners.
00:17:41
Wes MacMillan
and
00:17:41
Rome
Would that be power in your eyes or no?
00:17:45
Wes MacMillan
I think influence is probably a type of power. And I would like to have some influence. I wouldn't mind it, but I think it's a dangerous game when that's what you're chasing.
00:17:55
Rome
Fair enough. Yeah, that's, that's fair.
00:17:57
Wes MacMillan
But what I'm, the thing I'm chasing, and I think they say not to chase it because you already have it or some dumb shit like that. but My goal, like what I'm, where I want to be like as peaceful as like Zen as I can.
00:18:14
Wes MacMillan
Cause like, that's where I think actual happiness comes from. Like when you get power, you just want more power. When you get money, you just want more money. But when you're peaceful, you're just like, I'm chilling no matter what.
00:18:25
Rome
I need more peace.
00:18:28
Wes MacMillan
i've
00:18:29
Rome
More peace.
00:18:30
Wes MacMillan
More.
00:18:32
Rome
Do you think you'll ever get to a point where you're as peaceful as you can get?
00:18:32
Wes MacMillan
I don't.
00:18:37
Wes MacMillan
I think that's what they call enlightenment. And I don't even know how real that is.
00:18:41
Rome
like zen claims no one confirmed oh my god that sounds awful
00:18:43
Wes MacMillan
Like Buddha. And Eckhart Tolle claims he got there. And if you hear his, if you hear his voice, he might have because he's like, I was sitting on a bench and I did nothing but think about joy for two months.
00:19:00
Rome
but
00:19:01
Wes MacMillan
But no, he like i can it's a possibility in my mind that he just got so zen where he was just like as happy as could be sitting on a bench.
00:19:10
Rome
He's Mad Zen sitting on the bench, like not even in a judgmental way.
00:19:10
Wes MacMillan
but it was
00:19:14
Rome
Did that dude have like friends and shit?
00:19:18
Wes MacMillan
No, he was he said he was like depressed out of his mind and then something just clicked. And he like he woke up he like heard the birds chirping when normally he doesn't even like pay attention to the birds chirping.
00:19:30
Wes MacMillan
And he's like, that's like real nice. He went outside and he was like, he might have been even like homeless. I'm probably just spreading mid mid misinformation here.
00:19:38
Rome
Little fisherman's tail going on here. You know what?
00:19:42
Wes MacMillan
But I
00:19:42
Rome
He actually didn't have a home. Scratch that.
00:19:46
Wes MacMillan
But I know for a fact, I know for a fact that he said he just like sat on a bench for like months and he was like as happy as he could possibly be. And then he slowly came down from it and he wanted to like share his advice with the world and like how he got there.
00:20:02
Rome
You said he just woke up like that.
00:20:05
Wes MacMillan
Well, he he was like depressed out of his mind and then he might've like fell asleep and he kind of woke up like that. But yeah, it wasn't,
00:20:15
Rome
i would I would have questions. I would be like, how do you know you're at true peace if all you've done is like stop being depressed? like Maybe, I don't know. like i'm back i'm I'm happy for him, obviously.
00:20:26
Rome
But like have you been to like have you been to like the seven wonders of the world? like Have you experienced awe?
00:20:34
Wes MacMillan
Well that's that's yeah Eckhart we got some fucking questions dog
00:20:34
Rome
Shit like that. Have you experienced raw adrenaline? Like a ridden a roller coaster? I don't know. like
00:20:44
Wes MacMillan
I don't, well that's, I think, like he's not saying he's experienced all there is to experience. I think he just felt like.
00:20:53
Rome
he's content with what he is has experienced.
00:20:57
Wes MacMillan
And I, he, a lot of people are big on like, there's nothing external that can like actually make you happy. It's all internal. And then once the internal solid, like the outside, like you just see the outside world in a different way type shit.
00:21:12
Rome
But you have different like reactions to like stimulus. That's definitely something. like
00:21:18
Wes MacMillan
Yeah but that's just a different thing than peace.
00:21:23
Rome
But like say like you know like you you play like the whatever hurts, like four forty like the the frequency that makes you calm. you know But that's that's like an external.
00:21:33
Wes MacMillan
Yeah. Yeah.
00:21:38
Rome
there know I'm not like forcing you in this box and saying you, but I'm just saying like in terms of like it's all within. I do think they're outside, like a cold shower, people. like That's something people do, like like stuff like that.
00:21:48
Wes MacMillan
and here I'm wonderful.
00:21:51
Rome
Yeah, yeah. Do you actually like every day?
00:21:55
Wes MacMillan
I was every day for a long time and now I just like love, like I'm laying in my warm bed. I'm like, I'm not getting in.
00:22:05
Rome
you like do like a Do you like shower or do you like get in the shower and then like leave and then do your hot shower after?
Personal Growth and Emulation
00:22:12
Wes MacMillan
No, what I still can't like, what people do, and this is really not hard to do, it's like you get in the shower warm and then you end it cold. But I used to i used to make myself get in the cold shower because I was like, cold shower, you don't want to get in?
00:22:21
Rome
Yeah, that's not bad.
00:22:28
Wes MacMillan
Well, it's a cold world. and ah king
00:22:32
Rome
the fucking joker in the bathroom as he got into his cold shower you think you have a
00:22:38
Wes MacMillan
Then I literally say, and every every time before I did it, I'd be like, everyone want everyone wants to be a beast until it's time to do what beasts do. And then I'd get in a cold shower. The beast in me is, I don't know, I'm more of a chiller than a beast these days.
00:23:00
Rome
beast in you, like a personified singular beast.
00:23:04
Wes MacMillan
i It's the same thing as like that dog in you.
00:23:08
Rome
But do you think you have that?
00:23:10
Wes MacMillan
Yeah.
00:23:11
Rome
Is there like a name for that in like history? You know, and like, because now I feel like if you like look through stuff, you'd see different words for it. Nowadays, it's that dog, which is a crazy scientific
00:23:25
Wes MacMillan
Nowadays, it's that D-A-W-G.
00:23:28
Rome
yeah yeah Yeah, not even spell right.
00:23:32
Wes MacMillan
But I think in an essence, sense it's willpower.
00:23:36
Rome
But like it's the idea that you control like your willpower, I guess, like the which is, I guess, a definition of willpower.
00:23:36
Wes MacMillan
that's
00:23:46
Rome
But I feel like it's more like like when I think of it, I think it's like a a genuine something. Oh, yeah. Go ahead.
00:23:57
Wes MacMillan
I, I think of it.
00:24:01
Wes MacMillan
I think of it. Have you ever heard that thing where it's like, there's two wolves in you and it's like all about which one you feed a little kind of the same idea.
00:24:08
Rome
Like the devil and the angel on the front, on the shoulder.
00:24:12
Wes MacMillan
And it's like the one that gets stronger is the one you listen to and walk with me here.
00:24:13
Rome
Yeah.
00:24:19
Wes MacMillan
But David got.
00:24:19
Rome
The one that gets stronger is the one you feed.
00:24:22
Wes MacMillan
Yeah. Like if you, if you listen to the angel, angel voice gets stronger and then the devil starts fading back until you can't even hear that bitch.
00:24:23
Rome
Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:27
Rome
Yeah.
00:24:32
Wes MacMillan
And, but walk with me. Now I think of it, at least in this regard that we were talking about, David Goggins believes that you have an inner bitch in you.
00:24:43
Rome
That's honestly not like it's like a ying yang like this too.
00:24:43
Wes MacMillan
so it's
00:24:49
Rome
No, I've actually heard that.
00:24:49
Wes MacMillan
And it's
00:24:51
Rome
I think David
00:24:52
Wes MacMillan
and as It is almost yin yang. It's like, are you gonna feed the inner bitch or that dog in you?
00:24:58
Rome
Goggins a guy that's like pain is the bitch leaving the body. Isn't that that's his that's his stick, right?
00:25:04
Wes MacMillan
but the
00:25:04
Rome
That's his thing.
00:25:07
Wes MacMillan
that murder but That is a misquote.
00:25:10
Rome
ah
00:25:11
Wes MacMillan
I think the quote is pain is weakness. leaving
00:25:17
Rome
That was Goggins spin on things Yeah, he's in the X he's like on like one of the extremes of of mentality is like like it's like shout out have honestly he's
00:25:19
Wes MacMillan
Like it is the bitch. But he honestly kind of does says say that. He's like, I don't even own a fucking couch. You don't get better sitting on the fucking couch. Like he he has done nothing his whole life but feed that dog and him.
00:25:45
Wes MacMillan
I think he has the most extreme mentality on earth.
00:25:50
Rome
Yeah, potentially, honestly. You've seen those things where it's like he ran those races. That was like team races that he runs by himself and like comes in second.
00:26:00
Wes MacMillan
And it'll be like he broke, he literally had, would like have stress fractures in his legs. And he's like, no, I don't. We're like David.
00:26:09
Rome
I'm going to carry the boats.
00:26:10
Wes MacMillan
all to do This is funny. I read like the first part of his book and he was like, when you're running and you want to quit, that's 10% of where you could actually run. So it was 90 degrees. It was the midsummer. I wasn't running at all. I went out and I wanted to give up at like a mile and I ran five miles in the 90 degree weather and I almost died.
00:26:35
Rome
Did you like get home or did you like fall down on the side of the road?
00:26:40
Wes MacMillan
I finished and i like um I can get myself in that mindset where it's like my mind is lying to me. I'm not listening.
00:26:48
Rome
Some bitch leaving the body.
00:26:50
Wes MacMillan
Pain is the bitch leaving the body.
00:26:53
Rome
Yeah.
00:26:54
Wes MacMillan
but i And so I was listening, but then I got home the next day and I could like barely walk, but she would probably be like, good, I'm running again. But I was like, I um i ain't him.
00:27:02
Rome
yeah
00:27:05
Rome
take the day off.
00:27:07
Wes MacMillan
But even him, it's like, is that the healthiest mindset?
00:27:13
Rome
Probably not.
00:27:18
Wes MacMillan
I don't know.
00:27:18
Rome
I mean, maybe for him, it's different. Like, cause you say that and I immediately apply it to myself. And I'm like, no, but like for him, maybe, cause I don't know. Like I didn't live David Goggins life.
00:27:30
Rome
I know he was like bigger and like went on this whole weight loss thing. And then. Like as the David Goggins we know today, but but like if I experienced that, maybe his mindset would probably be like something I'd think would be useful.
00:27:45
Rome
But in my current mind, in my current state, I'd be like, hell no. like That and sounds like a little too much for me.
00:27:52
Wes MacMillan
Yeah.
00:27:55
Wes MacMillan
And I did I listened to the first about half of his book and he his childhood was probably that one of the sadder stories I've heard in my life. So I kind of understand why he's like, he had no choice but to lock the fuck in and stay locked in forever in a sense.
00:28:13
Rome
Yeah.
00:28:14
Wes MacMillan
But I don't think
00:28:18
Wes MacMillan
That's not me. He, like he says his life purpose was to become the baddest motherfucker on earth. And he, he did, but I don't, I don't think it's, that's my purpose.
00:28:23
Rome
Yeah, that's tough.
00:28:29
Rome
Imagine, dude, that would be like a crazy sick thing to commit yourself to. Like, just sitting there like, I'm going to be the baddest motherfucker on planet Earth. Do you think he's up there?
00:28:39
Rome
Like, is he a top 10?
00:28:41
Wes MacMillan
Yes, easily.
00:28:42
Rome
Baddest? We're like, what does that mean? Like, bad.
00:28:48
Wes MacMillan
How I'm thinking about it is like the ability to like push yourself.
00:28:50
Rome
Put that dog in you.
00:28:51
Wes MacMillan
Like he' is really he's, I forget, I'm probably just, this podcast is just spreading misinformation.
00:28:58
Rome
happy
00:28:58
Wes MacMillan
I think he, he ran like seven, a hundred mile races, seven weekends in a row.
00:29:06
Rome
That seems... like the body couldn't like do that i don't know you know you know what pain is right
00:29:12
Wes MacMillan
in some else And literally, but he did it. And he also like would break bones. He'd keep running and then he would like finish. And then there was like a doctor there. He's like, you need to go to the hospital right now. And he literally was like, let me enjoy this pain.
00:29:36
Wes MacMillan
But I think it's, it's good for the world. Cause he shows that you can be stronger than your mind and where I'm at. I'm in kind of and kind of in the middle, which is maybe the answer, but like...
00:29:50
Wes MacMillan
I'm watching The Sopranos right now and AJ, the kid in the show, he like gets in trouble and they don't know whether to sell send him to like the military school or like the thoughts and feelings school.
Discipline vs. Emotional Intelligence
00:30:05
Wes MacMillan
And like I'm going to school for social work. I'm huge on like therapy, emotional intelligence, but I also like have seen the incredible power of discipline in my own life. And I genuinely don't know like what I would send my kid to in that situation.
00:30:20
Rome
Is there not like, is that not something that, like a concept they teach you in school? Like is discipline not like, uh, I guess in terms of like care for others, it probably legally couldn't be. But do they not talk about it? Like, like at all, like in terms of like mental health discipline, like the effects of it.
00:30:39
Wes MacMillan
Not really, it's all about just like letting out your emotions. And one dude in my class, one dude in my class, literally asked, he asked the teacher, he was like, is there like any motivation in therapy?
00:30:45
Rome
Like flushing them. and What is the name of that? Oh, sorry. Sorry.
00:31:01
Wes MacMillan
And the teacher was like, I don't know. And I was like, I'll certainly tell you, I'm going to motivate the fuck out of my clients.
00:31:07
Rome
hey Yeah, I was just like, yeah, I was looking for a ah term in psychology.
00:31:08
Wes MacMillan
Romeo had something to say.
00:31:15
Rome
I was just like, what what is the psychology, like the practice or like school of psychologists who believe like, like conversation is like, is that behavioralist or like convert who, like think, convert, like converse, like, like so like, put all your feelings out and whatever. You know what I mean? Isn't that like a, you know how there's like different like behavioralists and like people who think
00:31:47
Rome
like different things affect you in different ways.
00:31:51
Wes MacMillan
Mm-hmm. I know there's different groups, but I'm not familiar with the group you're referring to the biggest one
00:31:57
Rome
It's like named after, it's like your, your past and like your, whatever account for, like he'll ask you like, it's the, it's the name of some dude. Who's the fan? Freud. Freud. That's who it is. Yeah. Isn't, isn't that like, didn't he like the Oedipus?
00:32:16
Rome
Oedipus, you know about that. It's like the theory that like, so when you're, this is a Freud thing. Like, so us as baby boys, or like, or baby girls were, if like you were a girl, you'd be like, show in love with your mother or father. That so us would be our mother, like we'd be so in love with our mother that we would like hate our father. And that's like,
00:32:46
Rome
like a, like a distinct, like something that happens to people. He, he, he believes it. Like you like having an innate, like hate for like your parent of the same sex, which is, Oh, damn.
00:33:00
Wes MacMillan
if you're gay?
00:33:03
Rome
I guess he didn't really think about it. Like, that's like a good point to be honest. Like, but now it's like, like, if you were like, Oh, I'm,
00:33:10
Wes MacMillan
But I, go ahead.
00:33:14
Rome
I'm like mad, like say you're like 30 and you're like, oh, I'm like feeling pretty depressed. Like Freud would be be like, what was your childhood like? It was like, that's like his, his shtickos of therapy.
00:33:30
Wes MacMillan
And honestly, I don't, I don't completely disagree. I, I pretty.
00:33:39
Wes MacMillan
It's certainly not anything I know, but it seems to me like people like recreate the relationship they almost had with their like parents. Like if it was like peaceful and happy, they tend to like look for that. But it seems like people who had like traumatic upbringings find other people who like just, they seem to wind up together with another person who had a traumatic upbringing because like that's what they're used to.
00:34:04
Rome
Yeah. Do you think like, I don't know, this is like, separate, like a thought I had, but it definitely pertains. Like, do you think people like when looking for like mates, or like, like relationships, like look for the quality and like qualities of like their opposite sex parent? Is that like something they look for? Not like like, I mean, like, like, things that they like, they were like, if someone like our age, like, like that, like the way she acts reminds me of like, my mother,
00:34:34
Rome
Like, not like you'd think that and be like, oh, that's a trap, but like subconsciously, you know what I mean?
00:34:40
Wes MacMillan
Yeah, and if I had to say yes or no, I'd probably say yes.
00:34:46
Rome
I do think it's like interesting to think about, cause like sometimes you'll see someone like dating some dude and you're like, that's like, that dude looks like her dad. Like, I yeah like i don't know.
00:34:57
Wes MacMillan
Yeah, it's definitely interesting. It's also a little gross.
00:35:01
Rome
No, it is. like the weird like, but that was, Freud did a lot of that, like weird, like, you know, stuff like that, but it's definitely interesting.
00:35:09
Wes MacMillan
Yeah.
00:35:11
Wes MacMillan
but extremely and i think i dude it's been fucking dumping for hours and i'm oh really dude i'm i'm not gonna flash a sign on it uh it's beginning to feel a lot like christmas
00:35:16
Rome
Shit, it's snowing, dude. It's snowing.
00:35:23
Rome
Just throwing it over where I'm at. West side.
00:35:39
Rome
Shut the fuck up.
00:35:43
Wes MacMillan
Deadass though, my brother is always like, it never even feels like Christmas anymore. Cause it's never snowy, but I like, as soon as it snows, I throw on that Charlie Brown Christmas and it's like, I'm there immediately.
00:35:54
Rome
You're a Christmas music guy.
00:35:58
Wes MacMillan
Yeah. Christmas is my favorite holiday by far. And I'm a sucker for presents. Like people try to defend Thanksgiving and I don't know, I don't get it.
00:36:08
Rome
No, no. Thanksgiving's people's one.
00:36:13
Wes MacMillan
That's wild.
00:36:13
Rome
That's an absurd one. That's like a bottom, bottom three.
00:36:18
Wes MacMillan
i'm glad I'm glad you can see what an awful take that is, because every time someone says it, and other people are like, yeah, me too, I'm like, who am I hanging out with?
00:36:21
Rome
That's an awful. That's a terrible.
00:36:27
Wes MacMillan
like Am I in a good spot in life right now? Who are these people?
00:36:31
Rome
It just like tends to last like four or five hours longer than it feels like it should.
00:36:37
Wes MacMillan
ah 100%.
00:36:37
Rome
Like I'm locked in and I'm cool for like the first hour and a half where you're talking and discussing. Then you have the dinner and then you stay for an hour and that's it. I think that's where it ends.
00:36:48
Rome
And that's where it tends to not end.
00:36:52
Wes MacMillan
It tends to go five, six hours longer for me.
00:36:52
Rome
Uncle and aunt, grandpa, grandma get a little drinking and yeah beyond.
00:36:57
Wes MacMillan
so Yeah.
00:36:58
Rome
and then yeahre yeah And then it's just like, it's it's chaos. But I think a sleeper pick like Christmas, obviously holidays, we're talking to Christmas.
00:37:02
Wes MacMillan
and
00:37:07
Rome
Halloween is pretty fun.
00:37:10
Wes MacMillan
Yeah.
00:37:10
Rome
I think we're at our age, Halloween is fun.
00:37:13
Wes MacMillan
Yeah.
00:37:14
Rome
Like, origin below, honestly, but once you get to the age where you're like, oh, I got to buy candy and put it out, take my kid around the block, it'll probably be a little less fun.
00:37:24
Wes MacMillan
I mean, if you, and if you love your family, I think I'd love that too, like getting my dress in my like baby and like, uh, I don't know, avatar costume. Like he's like too young to like even want a costume. So I just put them in some shit that I think could be funny. And ideally you have the love of your life and you're just carrying this little baby around the town, picking up candy. I think I'd like that, but it also, it's a great like party going out holiday.
00:37:51
Rome
Yeah, get a little fucking smack. Oh, do you guys swear on this podcast?
00:37:57
Wes MacMillan
Yeah, we have been.
00:37:59
Rome
Okay, I should ask for a in. Yeah.
00:38:04
Wes MacMillan
No, I've dropped a couple of this, Appio, at least. I'm kind of a bad boy.
00:38:08
Rome
This epi is losing.
00:38:11
Wes MacMillan
I'm the bad boy at the pod.
00:38:13
Rome
I'm kind of, I'm kind of naughty.
00:38:17
Wes MacMillan
But yeah, Christmas, it's like, it's snowy. You get like everything, not everything you want, but you get like a, toys are awesome. I love toys.
00:38:27
Wes MacMillan
I love playing with new stuff and I love.
00:38:31
Rome
Toys are sick.
00:38:35
Wes MacMillan
I love like like sipping some like warm cocoa tea or eggnog and just looking out the window and it's snowing. Chuck Brown-Crimmy is playing. The tree is all nice and decorated. What's not to love? ah get does like I don't wanna sound. I don't wanna sound. I don't wanna say that. I don't wanna sound.
00:39:02
Wes MacMillan
I don't know, but it feels a little magical.
00:39:06
Rome
What word were you I was trying to help you out I didn't I don't know what you were a going for Yeah, yeah fair enough I'll say like I'm getting a little like at a point.
00:39:10
Wes MacMillan
I knew the word I wanted to say, but i'm we're keeping it PG-13. And not that I wasn't going to say anything PG-13, we're just keeping it PG-13.
00:39:25
Rome
I think I don't want to have like I Wouldn't mind living somewhere where it wasn't winter all like during winter.
Childhood's Impact on Adulthood
00:39:33
Rome
I wasn't snowing What?
00:39:33
Wes MacMillan
You don't like any winter?
00:39:37
Wes MacMillan
You don't like any winter?
00:39:39
Rome
I like winter, I like the vibes and I like layering up. But then it snows and then you have to like drive somewhere and it's just like, this is awful. like This sucks.
00:39:49
Wes MacMillan
Yeah. every Whenever it's not a season where I can have my windows down in the car, I'm ah i' a little less happy.
00:39:51
Rome
but
00:39:59
Rome
Yeah, I was low-key thinking about like doing some shopping, but now I got to look at the weather. So I'm not a driving snow guy. I've had some mishaps where I've I've said, you know what, I can drive in this. And I've like, dude, there's nothing scarier than being in a car when you know you shouldn't be in the car. Not even terms of impairment, like weather wise, like when you're driving, when you're driving and you're like, dude, it is raining way too hard right now. Or like something might like I can't see it in front of me five feet. It is nothing scarier than that when you're driving.
00:40:34
Wes MacMillan
Sometimes it feels like an adventure though. Well, I remember one time I was driving on the highway. Everyone was legit going like 20 miles an hour. It was snowing that bad. And it took me like an hour to get from Danvers to Boxford, which is normally like a 20 minute drive.
00:40:50
Wes MacMillan
But it was like the snow when you're driving and it's snowing, it kind of looks like Star Wars where it's like it's flying over the roof.
00:40:50
Rome
Yeah.
00:40:57
Rome
It does, it does look here. But dude, when you like hit your brakes and you just like glide, that's the type of shit that like you could put coal in my ass and be a diamond.
00:41:09
Rome
Like, dude, that shit gets me clinched, dude. When I'm sliding, it's scary.
00:41:13
Wes MacMillan
ah
00:41:17
Wes MacMillan
Dude, i something we were just talking about, it's like what your relationship with your parent is like, that's what you tend to recreate. I also read a book on like trauma and those who had like a very stressful, like crazy upbringing are way more likely to like like adrenaline rushes and like chase that.
00:41:37
Wes MacMillan
where essentially they don't like even like they feel the most alive when they're doing something dangerous because that's just like how they grew up and that's what they're used to. And I'm I can be a bit of like a danger makes me feel alive kind of guy like driving fast on the highway with the music blaring or like skydiving or like park skiing.
00:41:52
Rome
up
00:42:00
Wes MacMillan
I kind of tend to like that stuff.
00:42:03
Rome
I'm like a controlled danger like a controlled set of ah Adrenaline like a good roller coaster where you know, nothing will go awry like It's higher it's about tired than that it's been
00:42:13
Wes MacMillan
Yeah, I'd say you have a 99% chance that nothing goes right. yeah okay Well, let's be straight, it's much higher than that.
00:42:21
Rome
Yeah.
00:42:24
Rome
No, but like, I don't know, like like, what, like, like cliff jumping, that's something that would be like, whoa. Like you see those jumping off like a hundred feet in the water. Like that's something I'd be like, I don't know if I could do that.
00:42:38
Rome
Cause that would just scare me silly.
00:42:38
Wes MacMillan
i
00:42:41
Rome
I'm not like big on height. Height is just like, what's the point?
00:42:45
Wes MacMillan
Heights do scare me, but i i like cliff jumping is a great example. like I kind of love doing that because when I'm like up on that cliff, like I'm about to shit my pants. And then I jump and they're like I feel more alive than I've ever felt in my life.
00:43:03
Rome
Yeah, a lot of times I'll just like be like waste like it like I'll look down and yeah mattie You want to get her on a different episode you can let me know
00:43:11
Wes MacMillan
Who the hell is that?
00:43:20
Wes MacMillan
first pod my mom like walked in when I was doing it with Brad she's like what are you doing go help your dad I'm like mom like no idea how big this is gonna be so and then I'm not getting five minutes later my dad like I was sitting in the dining room and my dad comes up to like the window right in front of me to my right and he's just like
00:43:27
Rome
and Mom, I'm podcasting! Get the hell out of my room, Mom!
00:43:48
Wes MacMillan
And I'm like, quit munching around, pups. This is serious.
00:43:55
Rome
ninety text and
00:44:00
Rome
Yeah, this is kind of an awry question. Do you guys need bathroom breaks on this podcast? Cause I like, I actually can't do that. That's all right with you.
00:44:08
Wes MacMillan
Yeah, I can scramble.
00:44:11
Rome
Yeah. Yeah. Why don't you do like an ad?
00:44:12
Wes MacMillan
me ah Give me a question to yap about.
00:44:13
Rome
Why don't you put an ad placement in?
00:44:18
Rome
Oh, um, um,
00:44:24
Wes MacMillan
Well, actually I have something to talk about. Go Tinkle. Let me cook.
00:44:29
Rome
ah come up I'll come back with the question.
00:44:31
Wes MacMillan
All right. So what I was talking about before, I do tend to like the things like driving fast or cliff jumping or like park skiing that make me feel, are you leaving or not?
00:44:47
Wes MacMillan
I tend to like those things, but I've done a lot of like work on myself and now I kind of like them less. And I think it's a good thing because I, I used to like, want to go cliff jumping. Cause like, I, it sounds a little dark, but it's like, I didn't care about that much stuff in my life. So I just wanted to feel something. But now when someone's like, Hey, you want to go cliff jumping? I'm like, no, I like, I'm, I like where I'm at in my life right now. I'm not trying to gamble.
00:45:28
Wes MacMillan
and a part of me doesn't like it because it feels like I'm quote unquote growing up or quote unquote becoming a bitch but I think it is a positive change that I care when I now I care about my life enough to not want to do dangerous things whereas before I didn't give a shit and another thing is like I don't know if I believe in like growing up. Because growing up is like accepting the world we live in, where my point of view still, I'm 22 years old, and I've had a lot of financial support. But my view still is like, I don't care how the world is set up, like I'm gonna change it. I'm gonna change the world. I'm going to
00:46:24
Wes MacMillan
I'm going to do what I want, regardless of like how the world works. Like I am, Gandhi once said, be the change you want to see in the world. And I'm trying to do that. In the back, i was I was just quoting Gandhi, like chili.
00:46:44
Wes MacMillan
You immediately have something to say.
00:46:45
Rome
Yeah.
00:46:48
Wes MacMillan
Do you have a question?
00:46:51
Rome
No, that was a miss input, miss input. The viewer is going to be able to see that, that I'm raising my hand in this call or no.
00:47:00
Wes MacMillan
I hope so.
00:47:03
Rome
They could be a little confused. Hey, anyone i actually watching right now, sound off in the comments. Let us know where you're watching from, how long you've been watching. We're interested in that type of stuff.
00:47:13
Wes MacMillan
from lying This isn't live.
00:47:18
Rome
No, when it goes up, when when it goes up, sound off in the comments.
00:47:20
Wes MacMillan
ah yeah i dear i looked at Let me know in the comment. i I did, I looked at the analytics on Spotify and two people listened in France.
00:47:34
Wes MacMillan
One of them, I know who it was, but one I don't, which is kind of interesting.
00:47:37
Rome
me
00:47:37
Wes MacMillan
And then one person from Russia. So all the fans listening in Russia. So.
00:47:45
Rome
what's like How do you say like high in Russian?
00:47:49
Wes MacMillan
Dukenslav.
00:47:52
Rome
exactly that's true That was I was thinking of like funny things I should have said when I when you asked I Was like you could talk about like something really like politically hot like I thought oh my god was's goingnna should talk about Like the war
00:47:56
Wes MacMillan
Yeah, look it up. Yeah, that's not how you say hi. But you lay a question on me. Did you think of any mid-tinkle?
00:48:11
Wes MacMillan
yeah
00:48:21
Rome
oh
00:48:23
Wes MacMillan
I do. i i think I ought to avoid those topics because I'm not trying to lose fans.
00:48:29
Rome
folks
00:48:29
Wes MacMillan
one thing One thing that was controversial, Michael Jordan was like, I'm not saying anything regarding politics because um Democrats buy sneakers and Republicans buy sneakers.
00:48:42
Wes MacMillan
And then also, one thing is this year, I'm trying to become a little less commercial. And so this
00:48:49
Rome
You were more commercial in the past. is that
00:48:53
Wes MacMillan
Yes, like normally Christmas, I don't play around. like i so i share I share a Google Doc with my parents with like things that are like hyperlinked to the link I want.
00:49:02
Rome
Are they talking about the podcast?
00:49:04
Wes MacMillan
suddenly Oh, no, no, no.
00:49:08
Rome
That makes sense. Yeah.
00:49:10
Wes MacMillan
But I share a Google Doc with like what I want, and it's a hyperlink to what I want with like the size and the color, so they cannot fuck it up.
00:49:17
Rome
Yeah.
00:49:18
Wes MacMillan
But this year, I debt i was like, I don't want anything. And I like, I was happy with that, but then my mom was like, you sure you don't want anything? Like, and then my brother had this nice like car heart vest and ah she was like, you want like one of those?
00:49:33
Wes MacMillan
And I was like, fuck it. Why not?
00:49:35
Rome
You can get me that.
00:49:37
Wes MacMillan
And like, go, go try one on it, like dicks or something. So I go to dicks. I I'm walking in like on a mission to get that car heart vest. I see this pair of Jordans and I was like.
00:49:49
Rome
What kind?
00:49:51
Wes MacMillan
And I bought them and I was like, they were probably, I'm not gonna, I think there's, I think the air, I wrapped them.
00:49:54
Rome
What kind, Jordan? Wands?
00:49:59
Rome
Sean, you got him on you?
00:50:03
Wes MacMillan
I like, I've been wanting to like strut around the house and them, but I don't, it's not Christmas yet. So I wrapped them and I put them under the tree and I'm not opening them until Christmas.
00:50:11
Rome
That for yourself Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, so you just bought the probably be happy if you're happy
00:50:14
Wes MacMillan
Well, it's my gift from my, cause my parents were gonna find, they were gonna finance the Carhartt vest. but This this was also double the price of the Carhartt vest and I just I'm assuming it's gonna be chill Yeah, they just want me to be happy But I I immediately saw them I was like those are the coolest shoes I've ever seen in my life I put them on I felt like a superhero and I was like
00:50:33
Rome
yeah
00:50:41
Rome
i fucking I jumped six inches higher. I ran maybe five seconds faster. It was everything I wanted.
00:50:49
Wes MacMillan
But there was like, it was deeper than just like I saw him and I wanted him. Like I like i said, and we were talking about influence before, like a lot of the stuff I like wear, cloth especially clothing wise, is like just all influence from my brother.
Finding Personal Style
00:51:05
Wes MacMillan
Like he'll have, I see you typing you dirty dog, but he'll have some like vans and then the next year later I'll be like, I want some vans. And in high school, and in high school,
00:51:19
Wes MacMillan
I don't know if they can see that if not rome just typed in the chat that only i can see like client subscribe i am i i am I am throwing bread on this new service that we're recording on, and but it's more than just the recording.
00:51:26
Rome
Make sure you guys like, comment, and subscribe. It's not cheap to put this performance on. We ought to pay for all types of different things. Wes is going to put his and my Venmo in the description of the video. Please.
00:51:51
Wes MacMillan
But if before you interrupted me, the deep story I was telling
00:51:54
Rome
and my man
00:51:56
Wes MacMillan
It was um like every like the music I listened to the sports I played and all the clothes I wore were just like my brother's my brother's taste.
00:52:07
Wes MacMillan
And there's not a lot that I like liked for me. And so I shot I saw those shoes and then I was like those are me instead of just buying yet another thing that I just wanted because my brother had you know what I mean?
00:52:21
Rome
I feel like I need to see the shoes now.
00:52:25
Wes MacMillan
You can see him January, Christmas. You can see him Christmas 28th, buddy. No.
00:52:32
Rome
All right.
00:52:33
Wes MacMillan
December 25th or later, but they're wrapped.
00:52:36
Rome
I'm excited. I'm excited. You bought those as like an empowering move on yourself.
00:52:43
Wes MacMillan
I, yeah.
00:52:43
Rome
You said, this is for me.
00:52:45
Wes MacMillan
I really, they like felt like me and I was really happy about that.
00:52:49
Rome
I'm actually, I guess, at SegWiz, I'm like searching for my sense of style.
00:52:55
Wes MacMillan
who Yeah.
00:52:55
Rome
I like have it in my head. It's just so hard to buy stuff. like You know what I mean? I'm trying to like branch out into these different types of clothing.
00:53:08
Rome
I'm trying to get more into jeans and stuff like that, but it's so hard to pay. like This is, this is how they fit in my dreams.
00:53:19
Rome
I don't know. It's stressful. It's also like an expensive habit, like hobby, like, i like to be like interested in clothes.
00:53:24
Wes MacMillan
and
00:53:28
Rome
Like they'll be like, poies they'll be like, Oh, this is kind of hard. And I'm like, this but is $175. Like, what are we doing? What is the state of, of clothing?
00:53:39
Wes MacMillan
I recently licked one um a pair of my dad's jeans, and I don't mean with my tongue, I stole them. I didn't want anyone listening to be like, this dude licked his dad's jeans, is that some Freud shit?
00:53:55
Wes MacMillan
but i One thing, I was telling my parents about like how much influence my brother had on me growing up. And then they were like, well, that's everyone with a younger sibling. And I'm like, yeah, that's true, but like not for the oldest sibling. But then they said something that put me on my ass that I'm still processing. They're like, my brother you just probably like wanted some of the things that the people he thought were cool had. And like those people probably got it from someone else. like They said,
00:54:26
Wes MacMillan
My brother was looking up to one of his friends and one of his friends is looking up to the over over sibling. And it made me think about like, are you just like, is anything just you?
00:54:35
Rome
Thank you.
00:54:36
Wes MacMillan
Like I probably didn't want Jordans just cause I wanted Jordans. I probably like them because like, I like rap music and basketball.
00:54:44
Rome
Yeah, but that's you. know That's part of, that's how you would describe yourself.
00:54:49
Wes MacMillan
Yeah, but it's not like.
00:54:54
Wes MacMillan
I'm doing it because the people I like did it, rather than just like... Like, I don't like rap music because of the shoes they wear, but because I like rap music, I... You know what I mean?
00:55:07
Rome
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I guess I know what you mean. I do think it's like kind of like, um, Like what came first, the chicken or the egg, you know?
00:55:18
Wes MacMillan
Yeah.
00:55:18
Rome
Like, do you like these shoes? I don't know. Do you like these shoes because you like listen to rap music and like basketball or is it like, I don't know.
00:55:30
Rome
Or is it like there aren't like, there's one trait that leads to you both liking rap and liking these shoes. Like, ah you know what I mean?
00:55:40
Wes MacMillan
And that's interesting because you could you could either like see someone on the street and it's like, Oh, I really like his shoes.
00:55:45
Rome
causationverse correlation
00:55:53
Wes MacMillan
That guy's probably cool. Or you can be like, I think that guy's cool. I should get some shoes like them.
00:56:03
Rome
he's pulling these things off i don't know if i've ever no i guess that's I bought like, I don't know, like you guys namedrop, like Nico, I guess I could just say that, like a friend of ours, but the people watching at home, just being Wes's friend, he's got these Asics that I'm a big fan of, and those, yeah, those were on the Christmas list, and by no means am I looking up to Nico.
00:56:22
Wes MacMillan
yeah i've said no i yeah you can name yeah yeah i think i've seen it the white and green ones
00:56:41
Wes MacMillan
but
00:56:46
Rome
No, no, I'm getting me going.
00:56:46
Wes MacMillan
i
00:56:47
Rome
You're listening. You're a cool ass dude. I'm just joking. Like, he's making a point about like, you're making a point about like older brothers and stuff like that. I just kind of think the shoes are cool.
00:56:56
Wes MacMillan
Uh-huh.
00:56:58
Rome
Is there nothing that can be credited to that?
00:57:02
Wes MacMillan
No, I think you can do it.
00:57:02
Rome
Like maybe there's no psychology behind it. The shoes are just cool. You know, he wears them well and pulls them off.
00:57:07
Wes MacMillan
Yeah.
00:57:10
Wes MacMillan
You sound a little muffled, Rome.
00:57:13
Rome
Maybe it's just because of my nonchalant stance.
00:57:19
Wes MacMillan
I definitely...
00:57:19
Rome
Is that better?
00:57:22
Wes MacMillan
I think a little bit.
00:57:23
Rome
Hello? Hello?
00:57:26
Wes MacMillan
I don't know.
00:57:26
Rome
I will say, like, your sound waves are way bigger than mine.
00:57:27
Wes MacMillan
I think...
00:57:32
Rome
I think that's because you have a nicer mic.
00:57:35
Wes MacMillan
Perhaps. And I think my valleys are lower than yours.
00:57:39
Rome
What does that mean?
00:57:41
Wes MacMillan
Like, they're higher, but they also cut off like much sooner after. But I'm... I don't even think the viewers can see this, so it's probably not too engaging for them.
00:57:51
Rome
Wes will put a screenshot of it in the description.
00:57:56
Wes MacMillan
You're just adding work for me to do?
00:57:57
Rome
Yeah.
00:58:00
Wes MacMillan
I'll be linking Venmos. I'll spend like a couple hours after this like screenshotting and linking Venmos.
00:58:08
Rome
length of thatmo is real cause Me and put a lot of time and effort into this podcast.
00:58:12
Wes MacMillan
yeah
00:58:16
Rome
So how wait how long are these things usually? Do you cut them off or do we just keep going?
00:58:22
Wes MacMillan
The hour is the minimum, and then after that, it's just whenever we want.
00:58:28
Rome
No.
00:58:30
Wes MacMillan
But like also, I just kind of like them to be in over an hour, but most of them have been around an hour.
00:58:34
Rome
Just so those, uh, those ad rules can come through.
00:58:38
Wes MacMillan
Huh?
00:58:38
Rome
So those advertisers can come through.
00:58:41
Wes MacMillan
Yeah.
00:58:42
Rome
You get any spots on these or no?
00:58:43
Wes MacMillan
No, I think I need a certain amount of listeners first.
00:58:48
Rome
Yeah. Hey, if you're listening, tell a friend, this ain't cheap.
00:58:56
Wes MacMillan
themmo
00:58:58
Rome
Do you want to start rapping?
00:59:00
Wes MacMillan
But you, I'm down to rap if you are.
00:59:06
Rome
I didn't.
00:59:07
Wes MacMillan
wrap up
00:59:09
Rome
No, I'd be cool. ah Yeah. I was going to say, like, I've noticed we've gone for an hour. But I could probably sit here for another like four hours. That's what I'm saying. Like, I'd be down to come back on. I don't know. Do you do like repeat guests ever?
00:59:28
Wes MacMillan
Yeah. Well, I haven't yet, but I definitely am going to.
00:59:28
Rome
like
00:59:31
Rome
It's like a good even flow of conversation and it feels like there's more.
00:59:36
Wes MacMillan
Yeah.
00:59:37
Rome
I don't know. Kind of like a month or something. Let some time pass.
00:59:41
Wes MacMillan
Let it marinate.
00:59:42
Rome
And then you could try your shoes.
00:59:44
Wes MacMillan
Let it marinate. And then, you know, revise literally means in Latin to see again.
00:59:51
Rome
No.
00:59:51
Wes MacMillan
My English teacher told me that. All right, but Rome, I like to ask everybody at the end, what would you what advice would you give to young Rome?
01:00:06
Rome
I guess it would be just like, and don't care what other people really say, except the people you care about, care about what they say, but yeah don't care about what people you don't care about, say, be yourself, have fun,
01:00:21
Rome
um do what makes you happy. And everything happens for a reason. I'd tell him that, and then I'd send him on his merry way. And hopefully we get back to the same spot we're at now, because I'm chilling.
01:00:35
Rome
So I hope I don't fuck too much up.
01:00:38
Wes MacMillan
a great you That's a great place to be in if you want to end up at the same spot.
01:00:43
Rome
I could, like, I don't know. Like, it would be nice. Like, maybe I could have a little more money type shit. But like, in terms of like, I don't know. I feel like there's so many different like personalities. like When you're young and figuring out who you want to be, there's so many different ways I can go.
01:00:58
Wes MacMillan
Yeah.
01:00:58
Rome
And I'm happy it went the way it did. So I would tell him to just keep doing it.
01:01:04
Wes MacMillan
You're two follow ups to that. you're I agree, do not care. If you don't like like someone, you shouldn't give and like a single thought to what you think about, but I do. and For a while, I was like, don't care what anybody thinks, but I think you should.
01:01:17
Rome
Yeah.
01:01:19
Wes MacMillan
like If you have like good friends and like your family and they're like telling you something, you should listen and you should just like You should balance what you think with what they think.
01:01:23
Rome
yeah probably
01:01:28
Wes MacMillan
But if like multiple people keep telling you something, that's that's not nothing. And you said everything happens for a reason. What's the reason?
01:01:39
Rome
um
01:01:42
Rome
That's like, I guess for you to figure out.
01:01:46
Wes MacMillan
Well, not figured it out, but I'm not going to tell you.
01:01:47
Rome
it's No, not like specifically you. I mean, for like, yeah for like, But for each person, yeah.
01:01:54
Wes MacMillan
For each person.
01:01:56
Rome
like and Maybe it's like a coping thing. like Something happens, and you can either just like, damn, that happened. That happened. um needed build griness from I It's like a similar thing with the same thing could happen to a million different people.
01:02:13
Rome
And they think a million different things after. There's a million different reasons if they can happen. I don't know.
01:02:20
Wes MacMillan
Yeah. Yeah.
01:02:20
Rome
just
01:02:24
Rome
ah connected earlier, I guess, everything happened. Like, you're not the same person, like things happen, you change. So just accept that, like, if something happens, just to figure out, figures for a reason and figure out what that reason was and add it to your life, I guess, or yeah, just, yeah, yeah.
01:02:43
Wes MacMillan
and jokes.
01:02:46
Rome
Well,
01:02:48
Wes MacMillan
Alright, Rome, thanks for coming on, man. And for all the listeners at Cartole City, please thank you for watching.
01:03:00
Wes MacMillan
That is what I'm about to say. Please like, comment, subscribe, follow rate at five stars. Tell your mom about it. Your mom is probably gonna be really into this podcast. But Rome,
01:03:10
Rome
This episode was for the parents. We delved into the edifice. We delved into it by anything.
01:03:18
Wes MacMillan
This episode was to tell the parents that their kids think about them romantically.
01:03:23
Rome
I had a blast.
01:03:24
Wes MacMillan
All right.
01:03:26
Rome
Wes is going to link my Venmo. He's going to put a couple other of my descriptions in the chat.
01:03:35
Rome
it was It was a blast. I had fun. I hope people listened to this. If you guys listened to this and you got to this point of the podcast, comment Pia down below and we'll know your real ah you're you're a real one.
01:03:49
Wes MacMillan
Comment what?
01:03:50
Rome
Pia. Comment for Pia if you got to this point in the video.
01:03:52
Wes MacMillan
ay
01:03:55
Rome
We'll know that you're a real one.
01:03:55
Wes MacMillan
Yeah, throw it on me.
01:03:59
Wes MacMillan
All right, we're going to wrap. Rome will probably be back, so he gets a little more respect.
01:04:04
Rome
yeah
01:04:06
Wes MacMillan
All right, thank you for listening. Peace.