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Viriginia Gonzalez
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This week on the Mothers of All Crime we are discussing the disturbing case surrounding Virginia Gonzalez. This Texas mother of 8 is being accused of absolutely horrific child abuse. If that wasn't terrible enough during this child abuse case it has been discovered that Virginia's other young daughter has been missing for YEARS. Pictured with this episode are some of the last known photos of little Ava along with an age progression image to show what she would look like now. We are all rooting for the safe return of this child. Anyone with information is asked to email ava@austintexas.gov or can anonymously call Crime Stoppers at 512-572-8477.
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Introduction to 'Mothers of All Crime'
00:00:23
Speaker
Hello and welcome to the Mothers of All Crime. This is a podcast where we deep dive into mothers involved in infamous crimes and scandals. I'm Monica and this is Crystal.
The Case of Virginia Gonzalez
00:00:57
Speaker
Welcome back to the mothers of all crime this week. Me and my girl Crystal are going to be talking about Virginia Gonzalez. Yeah, she is an interesting one. I'm excited to to hear what you your thoughts on her.
00:01:12
Speaker
Yeah, so I was, you know, scrolling the internet as you do looking at recent crimes, you know, just in a terrible vortex.
00:01:23
Speaker
And I came across Virginia Gonzalez of Austin, Texas, who came to police attention for possession of marijuana, which is like a pretty...
00:01:35
Speaker
low-level crime, in my opinion. in Texas, it is illegal. But in the great state of New Jersey, that is not illegal. So in Texas, she was arrested. Weird one depends on where you are, right?
00:01:48
Speaker
It really truly does. It matters state to state. i mean, she was a resident of Austin, Texas, so I'm sure that she knew the laws where she lived and that it was illegal and I don't know the quantity.
00:02:00
Speaker
um i mean, of course, there's still an amount that you're not allowed to have in New Jersey, but it's pretty high. So regardless, she kind of got busted on like a low level drug charge.
Discovery of Child Neglect
00:02:11
Speaker
And her mother, the grandmother of the children that she has, went to check on the kids because they got arrested. So Virginia is 33 and she has eight kids total ranging in ages from two to 14. That's it's exhausting. Yeah.
00:02:32
Speaker
you even imagine? And you're 33 and you have a 14-year-old and you also have a 2-year-old. So start getting babies at 19 and then literally probably you didn't stop.
00:02:45
Speaker
Yeah. It's like every year, basically. Wow. Maybe like a year and a half each. that's Can you imagine trying to afford that? I can't. no matter No wonder why she needed to smoke some weed.
00:02:59
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I would probably need more than weed. So the the grandma goes to check on the kids and she finds something a lot worse than marijuana when she gets there.
00:03:12
Speaker
She found her seven-year-old granddaughter barricaded in a closet by six of her other siblings. She apparently had been kept there for like a month.
00:03:25
Speaker
A three-foot by one-foot closet. So, of course, she called the police and the children were interviewed. The 10-year-old brother of this little girl said that she only gets one corn dog and a half a cup of water per day.
00:03:46
Speaker
The 14-year-old sister reportedly said she's being punished for getting into stuff and eating things she's not supposed to.
00:03:56
Speaker
This poor little girl was only 29 pounds at seven years old and has reportedly has brain damage from severe malnourishment.
00:04:07
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Because if you think about it, like a seven-year-old child, on average, is weighing more like 50 pounds. And assuming like even if she's small for her size. And so...
00:04:24
Speaker
You have these kids and I can imagine ah being a single parent with eight children. You're living ah very strict life. You're living paycheck to paycheck. You're making sure food is allocated probably to the rice grain.
00:04:41
Speaker
And I can imagine if like one of your kids got into the pantry and ate an entire box of something, it would be frustrating. But to quote punish your child for eating something because they're hungry by locking them in the closet and then not feeding them seems counterproductive.
00:05:02
Speaker
Yeah, it really doesn't seem like it would um reduce that kind of behavior. if anything, it would just make it worse. And then one corn dog, like, I don't, that just breaks my heart. It feels like it should be like a Law and Order episode, right? That would Yeah, it really does. It's like something that you would see in a movie. It's so horrific. You would just not think that someone would be capable of actually having their other children lock their sibling in a closet.
00:05:36
Speaker
The door was completely barricaded. And the six other children are reportedly of normal weights. They are not malnourished. So it's just this one child that has been singled out for this kind of treatment.
The Mystery of Ava Gonzalez
00:05:53
Speaker
Which is interesting and not uncommon and brings me to my next point where apparently this is the first time that it's been brought to police attention that there actually should be an eighth child as well.
00:06:08
Speaker
Because if, you know, the story, there's a little girl that's locked in the closet and her six siblings are keeping her in said closet. But like I said, Virginia has eight kids.
00:06:22
Speaker
So this is not adding the So where's one? like Exactly. So, and you know, a CPS investigation is, of course, opened up.
00:06:33
Speaker
And Virginia is initially hard to find for a couple of weeks during this time because she was released on her minor charges. She was released.
00:06:45
Speaker
And then she kind of was... MIA, AWOL, not findable. It took about 15 days for them to find her. um During that investigation, came to light that none of the children are enrolled in school and that nine-year-old Ava...
00:07:03
Speaker
should have been living in the home but there is absolutely no trace of her in the home and the last photographs anyone has of her and the last sighting of her was Christmas Day 2017 when she was two years old
00:07:22
Speaker
she should be nine and this no one knows who um active right like this is something that's recent within the last couple days in the news right Yeah, so this this happened on April 25th that I guess the official missing persons thing started with Ava Gonzalez.
00:07:43
Speaker
um the initial arrest was may 3rd mean um april 3rd 2025 so it's all pretty recent yeah no i just just wanted to my
Timeline and Investigation Challenges
00:07:53
Speaker
mind kind contextualize yeah the 2021 part of that right because it's not like we're we have been known to talk about cases that happened a while ago and this is not yeah no this is 2025 and Yeah, this is 2025 that we're talking about.
00:08:10
Speaker
Yeah. Very recent, very ongoing. But it's just, it blows my mind that child could be missing from 2017 to 2025 and it has not been reported.
00:08:22
Speaker
No one's looking for her. There's no missing posters of her. Nothing. It's like she never existed. So here's what I think is bizarre, right? So you you have grandma who is concerned enough that...
00:08:37
Speaker
When her daughter gets arrested, she checks on the kids. But for the last four years, have you not gone and checked on the kids to notice that one of them's missing?
00:08:52
Speaker
Yeah, it brings up a few questions like that for me. Like... It makes me feel like no one was really invested in any of Virginia's kids because it kind of was falling through the cracks that they were not at school, that they were involved in the abuse of another sibling, that Ava is missing for seven years.
00:09:13
Speaker
Like, I don't know how these things are flying under the radar. I don't know how there haven't been any previous investigations, but I don't know how a grandmother could be involved enough to get a call to to go check on them, but she isn't curious to know where Ava is.
00:09:30
Speaker
What I was able to find is that Virginia, I guess, has been telling people many different conflicting stories about where Ava is. Some of the stories include that she lives with her father But like I said, there's no father on the birth certificate.
00:09:47
Speaker
No one seems to know who her father is. So, I mean, perhaps Virginia knows and perhaps Ava lives with him. But you think at the time of your arrest, if the police are saying that she is missing and we need you to confirm where you where she lives, that's the point that you would give dad's name, number, address, and it would very quickly verified. Right.
00:10:13
Speaker
Even if he lives out of the country, out of the state, you know, do you have any vague idea who he is or where she is? Makes me think it's all BS. And that ah shudder to think about.
00:10:28
Speaker
Yeah. And also, I wonder if these kids were ever in school, because Texas has some pretty intense truancy laws where if a kid misses a certain amount of days, they look into the household, the family. There could be juvenile consequences for that.
00:10:51
Speaker
And yeah you have a 14-year-old who's a middle schooler. So I'm wondering if they ever went to school or if they like bounced around different schools and like the paperwork got lost because we all know how that administration kind of stuff works. It doesn't always go according to plan.
00:11:12
Speaker
um But that that's interesting that eight of them fell through cracks, not just one.
Systemic Failures in Child Welfare
00:11:25
Speaker
Yeah. It is interesting to me. I mean, when you look it up and you look up the laws in Texas, it says that children over the age of six and under the age of 19 supposed to go to like compulsory public education. Yeah. But of course there are exceptions. There can be religious exemptions, homeschool exceptions, and,
00:11:46
Speaker
You know, private school exceptions, children who have severe disabilities are usually accommodated in schools. Yeah. But sometimes they cannot be. And so there would be some sort of home instruction or, you know, if a child is in like a permanent residential facility, they would be getting some sort of education through that. Like there are...
00:12:06
Speaker
reasons that children do not go to school I don't know how you could justify eight kids not going to school and like Ava if she has been missing from the age of two prior to going to school that makes sense to me a little bit that she was able to fall through the cracks and was never registered for school But to a kid getting to the age of 14 and not being enrolled in school, like you think truancy court would be involved. You think child protective services would be involved, that there would be wellness checks conducted prior to this.
00:12:38
Speaker
I don't know how you could live off the grid, but essentially, with this many kids.
00:12:44
Speaker
And not to be shitty, but if you have eight kids, i I've Googled her a little bit, but I don't see her having like a successful career of any kind.
00:13:02
Speaker
It can only be assumed that she's getting some kind of assistance with this many children. and that would it initially mean like you're off grid, right? So the government would have known that these children exist. You would think there would be some kind of follow-up of cross-checking. Okay, if you have eight kids, you're getting X amount to support these kids.
00:13:27
Speaker
Here's the connection to their education or the services you're receiving or something just versus just Like, i can't imagine she's doing this completely by herself. And if she is good for her, but I can't find any kind of high earning career that would support eight children.
00:13:51
Speaker
Yeah, that's hard for me to fathom as well. I mean, I guess she's not paying for Ava anymore. Right. And clearly not really feeding one of the kids. So six. still, six kids is ridiculous. Six kids is a lot.
00:14:05
Speaker
And apparently the house was full of food. And was in ok condition. But it was it was an apartment. Still, i if you have an apartment, that makes me also feel like you're on the grid. You had to go through some sort of application process.
00:14:18
Speaker
There are physically other people around also. And you would think other children in that same building probably go to school. And kids are loud, particularly that Yeah.
00:14:30
Speaker
Yeah. ah And babies. Like, if her youngest is two, there it's like for years she's
Virginia's Background and Motives
00:14:36
Speaker
had screaming toddlers. Yeah. Especially because she leaves them home.
00:14:41
Speaker
You know, that she just, like, leaves them home to let the 14-year-old supervise all of them. So I'm sure there's a lot of screaming, a lot of noise, a lot of chaos. And what do kids do all day if they don't even go to school?
00:14:53
Speaker
I wonder what... So there's two babies, right, that kind of are the closet children for no pun intended. But isn I'm wondering if they are from the same father and that there is an issue with said father,
00:15:16
Speaker
either She doesn't like them. it wasn't her choice to have them. Whatever the case was, it seems that these two really are getting the brunt of all of the anger and punishment.
00:15:32
Speaker
And if you have these six other kids who appear to be, quote, healthy and okay. I don't want to say happy because we just don't know. Sure.
00:15:43
Speaker
Sure. it I'm wondering like if that's where the aggression is coming from and it's like I can't take it out on him so I'll take it out on his kids kind of thing because if you have like I'm thinking like evil step parent right like if you have your kids and your step kids you're mean to the step kids and not your kids kind of deal like that's what I'm trying to connect on some kind of not that it makes it okay but some kind of reasoning on why she picked these two to not really care about
00:16:24
Speaker
Yeah, I was thinking about that as well. I mean, it's interesting to me that these are children that are very that should be very close in age to each other because the one that was in the closet who we don't know her name and has not been released publicly.
00:16:36
Speaker
um She is seven and the child who is missing Ava, she should be nine. So it's not crazy to think that they have the same dad or maybe that was the product of the same relationship.
00:16:49
Speaker
I also, it's not uncommon, and we've talked about this in previous cases before, for there to be sort of a Cinderella phenomenon where one child is singled out for the abuse and the other children are kind of held at a different level and are treated a little bit better.
00:17:06
Speaker
And in that dynamic can often start to actually abuse the sibling that is being singled out. Because it's easier to have control over the other kids if they have like this common enemy, quote, quote.
00:17:22
Speaker
And it's also protection thing, right? Like if you who are seeing what's happening to that sibling, you don't want it to happen to you So follow suit, right?
00:17:36
Speaker
Yes, definitely. And it's and i think it's a survival instinct. Yeah. Like you want to think that like, there's always these cases where people stand up to protect their siblings and that that's true.
00:17:49
Speaker
But unfortunately it's not always the case. And also if you're raised from birth in a certain way and, or you're raised and then a new baby comes in and this is how you treat this baby, you know what you're taught.
00:18:03
Speaker
So it it wouldn't be a surprise if that's what that's happening in the side of that house.
00:18:12
Speaker
Sure, definitely. Or there could have been some sort of, I mean, I'm just speculating, some sort of developmental or autism or some sort of delays or disabilities that just those kids had. And that's why they were singled out for abuse and they were able to be othered from the siblings who were treated better.
00:18:35
Speaker
And I think that if you present child's disability a certain way to their siblings, that's how they're going to interpret it. And it's not that she's, I'm just speculating. It's not that she has autism. It's that she's bad and she doesn't listen and she doesn't behave. And you know, this is why she has to be treated like this because she cannot obey the rules of our house. Right.
00:18:57
Speaker
And you look at your sibling and you see how poorly they're being treated and you see your own possible future and your own possible outcome. And who knows what these children saw in regards to Ava prior to her disappearance.
00:19:13
Speaker
They could know fully where she is and what happened to her and be living in constant fear of that happening to them as well. Yeah, that's good point. I mean, it and we have no idea what really happened to her. And I think it's pretty disturbing that the last time she was seen was Christmas Day. There's like these very cute pictures of her.
00:19:34
Speaker
She's super cute. From that Yeah. She's really cute. And the age progression photos that have been made of her recently are really, really cute too for when she should be nine.
00:19:45
Speaker
But I feel like... it's hard to predict what she would actually look like. I don't, I'm not, I'm not so sure that that's exactly what you would look like because I feel like, you know, if you have a different haircut, you have glasses, you have this, you have that, it, it can really alter how someone looks, but it's obviously good to get an idea because to show someone a picture of a two-year-old, they're not going to see a nine-year-old.
00:20:07
Speaker
Um, I don't know how possible it is for her to be found. Age progression is definitely helpful. m yeah It's not perfect, but it's more helpful than if you showed the two-year-old, right?
00:20:18
Speaker
Because you're better off being like, oh, it kind of looks like them versus a two-year-old to a nine-year-old. They just – they look so different most of the time. Not all the time, but – Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely.
00:20:31
Speaker
I mean, it's a very significant amount of time, which also puts the investigators at a huge disadvantage here because yeah it's hard to get the word out.
00:20:42
Speaker
It's hard to where to even begin looking because wherever she started out seven years ago, it's not where she probably is right now. And also they don't know if she's alive. handed a cold case, right? It's not even like it's here. Start from nothing.
00:21:00
Speaker
And extremely cold. An infant. It's not like they have a social circle. so you're really just relying on this family to give you information. And it doesn't seem like any of them are very forthcoming. Yeah.
00:21:17
Speaker
So the children, the seven children that are not missing have all been taken into foster care. And I'm really hoping that either one of the children will start providing information that's helpful in locating Ava or that Virginia will crack.
Legal Consequences and Children's Future
00:21:36
Speaker
Because she has now been charged with a serious injury to a child due to the abuse of the seven-year-old. And it's a felony. And I'm hoping that she will get some serious time. Yeah, she's being held on, what think, a $75,000 bond.
00:21:51
Speaker
Yeah, she is. And she's not going to be able to post it. so Nobody's paying that. Yeah. but Yeah. that Yeah, no one's paying it She's certainly gonna be able to pay it. And I don't want her to get out because I do think she's actively a danger to the community and definitely to her kids. And it'll be easier for the foster parents if she's locked up because of this situation. I'm sure the children are so traumatized and are so confused that And the older ones are going have to deal with a lot of guilt and remorse. And even though it is not really their fault at all, it's just like, how do you mentally separate from the things that you participated in?
00:22:31
Speaker
And I'm just hoping that maybe one of the older kids or Virginia herself will just start providing information.
00:22:43
Speaker
Yeah, because i don't know. I also don't see her doing it willingly. Yeah. and I just I think the kids might do it by accident, too.
00:22:56
Speaker
Like a lot of the time, those kids don't necessarily know that they're providing helpful information. hmm. That's true. I think i've seen we've seen that a lot in previous cases and just cases we're familiar with where children tend to leak out information over time as they become more and more comfortable in their new surroundings. And sometimes they draw pictures that indicate something or they you know there There could be all kinds of things that could come out in the next few months.
00:23:27
Speaker
But otherwise, i mean i truly don't know how they will ever locate Ava. And I am very concerned for her well-being. Because i mean i think Virginia knows exactly where she is.
00:23:41
Speaker
And if she is still with us, I feel like she's maybe not in a great situation. And if she's not, then... I mean, this sport poor child deserves at least a burial.
00:23:54
Speaker
Yeah. And not to completely forgotten. will like, police have found harder cases. I don't think this is going to be easy by any means. And I do hope, though, that they they do find something. It's very impressive what they're capable of doing.
00:24:14
Speaker
and her, the media outrage against her from a local standpoint is there. So you have the community that's starting to get invested, which I do appreciate.
00:24:28
Speaker
um
00:24:31
Speaker
But I will also say all of her social media and all that is completely blocked now. Like you can't find her on anything. um yeah Or if you can't, like you do find her because I found her on Instagram.
00:24:45
Speaker
um You can't access anything. i couldn't get it to open. Yeah. so someone is yeah locking everything down for her because she can't do it.
00:24:55
Speaker
But maybe those was like 15 days that she was on the run. True. That's a good time to kind of deactivate all your social media. She probably did it then. um She probably got rid of her phone.
00:25:06
Speaker
And the thing with Ava is like she doesn't have a phone. She doesn't have an Apple Watch. There's no like way of tracking her location. They maybe could... I mean, I guess they have partial access to her DNA because they have Virginia.
00:25:21
Speaker
But when you don't know who her dad is and they don't have any direct DNA samples from Ava because no one knew that she was missing to collect a toothbrush or anything like that at the time. it's they're just They just need to start with everybody that knew them seven years ago and work from there.
00:25:42
Speaker
Yeah. I will say, though, um I threw my Facebook digging because we love social media.
00:25:54
Speaker
because And i try to explain this to people all the time. like, you put something online. I don't care how hard you try. out there. Very, very one in a billion times is it ever actually disappeared, right?
00:26:10
Speaker
Definitely. From pictures that I could find of her, there are, and I'm going to stereotype a little just from personal knowledge and our last previous cases we've worked.
00:26:29
Speaker
Mm-hmm. I have a question on if there is some kind of affiliation with gangs dealing that kind of world just from pictures. She's posting behaviors that she has certain clothings, um, hand symbols that are getting put up in pictures.
00:26:57
Speaker
um it would be, it wouldn't be a far stretch if someone told came back and said she's affiliated with X, Y, and Z that I wouldn't believe it. Um,
00:27:10
Speaker
Well, if that's the case, I mean, it really opens up a whole new world of terrifying possibilities of what could be going on with Ava. Because, unfortunately, child trafficking is a real... It's a real thing.
00:27:23
Speaker
And that also is a possibility. And that could explain her disappearance if she's involved with criminals, if she's a criminal herself, which she now is for sure. Yeah. But maybe she was seven years ago as well. I mean...
00:27:37
Speaker
A lot of behavior has led me to the point of having no trust in Virginia or her ability or her even desire to keep these kids safe.
Comparisons and Media Attention
00:27:49
Speaker
And so I feel like if maybe there was an opportunity for this very struggling single mother who already had a bunch of kids that was very young... I mean, because seven years ago she was, what, 24?
00:28:01
Speaker
Like, she just had so much responsibility. If she already had a kid, maybe she didn't really like this kid's dad. And now she's pregnant again and going to have another one.
00:28:13
Speaker
Or, well, I guess she had just had a new baby, the one that was in the closet at the time of Ava's disappearance. She could have been in a situation where she was desperate for money.
00:28:25
Speaker
Or desperate for drugs. Or involved with people who have terrible intentions. And literally anything could have happened to her. Yeah. Or some kind of violence could have happened in their house.
00:28:39
Speaker
And moving like making her more of mom the victim in some of the circumstance. If she is involved in that life, she could be getting ran. She could be...
00:28:53
Speaker
pimped out, used selling herself if she has a drug issue. There's plenty of options that this these children may not have come from planning or intention or even just in an accident in a relationship.
00:29:08
Speaker
um They could not have necessarily been her choice and that could have caused some of the anger towards some of them as a reminder of what may or may not have happened. Again, full speculation, have no idea.
00:29:20
Speaker
Just giving... The opposite, yeah right? Like she clearly is a monster with the fact of this is what she has established in her household with her seven-year-old.
00:29:32
Speaker
But I'm just trying to think of like historically, were you always a monster or did something happen that caused you to become one? And that's what we've battled a lot on this channel of, is this who you are or what happened to cause? Not that it makes it okay, but it's interesting kind of into the pathology of it all.
00:29:55
Speaker
It definitely is. it's It's a new way to think about it because there are versions of this story where it could feel really bad for Virginia and her life and the way that it's gone. But obviously she's also the adult that is supposed to be responsible for eight kids. And we know at least two of the eight, she's not doing so good at that.
00:30:16
Speaker
Yeah. um And I am now thinking more and more about how little Ava went missing right around the time that this other child who has grown up to be treated so poorly was born.
00:30:31
Speaker
Right. Like when she pregnant, when that was happening, did she have a newborn baby? Was there a lot of stress and tension in the home? Colicky baby up screaming all night. Yeah.
00:30:44
Speaker
Yeah. I don't know. I mean, well I hope that we'll find out, but yeah it's a lot of speculating. I'm sure as the trial comes because of how viral this case is suddenly becoming, um we might hear some stuff about the trial. Texas isn't normally very good about publicly streaming that kind of stuff.
00:31:04
Speaker
um Sometimes things get leaked out, but it'll be interesting if on her case that actually comes out with anything.
00:31:16
Speaker
Well, I would love to hear that there's been some sort of plea deal struck where she has led us to Ava's location. um Even if that meant Virginia being punished less harshly, i just think it would be obviously better if that was known where she is.
00:31:34
Speaker
And I hope that... I hope that someone's able to find her and we'll post pictures of her with this episode, Missing Child and Virginia, just to put that out there somewhere else in case someone happens to stumble across it has seen someone that looks like her.
00:31:49
Speaker
It's always okay to report suspicions to the Austin police. This is very serious. And if anybody had any information, they definitely should come forward because this a very cold case.
00:32:01
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. And you know what? The police department is very good about shifting through leads and tips. So anything is better than nothing. And...
00:32:13
Speaker
and Again, if you're from that area and you know them, it'll be really helpful. I did want to mention one thing that I thought was interesting.
00:32:24
Speaker
um Miss Casey Anthony keeps getting referred to in a lot of these post comments. I don't know if you also noticed that. um A lot of them are basically saying...
00:32:41
Speaker
the connections there and hopefully she isn't doesn't get away with it like anthony and there's a lot of that kind of thing going on um so that that's an interesting correlation if anybody wanted to put two and two together Yeah, I mean, I could definitely see the connection between her and Casey, especially because her kid is missing and she did not report her missing.
00:33:08
Speaker
It's absolutely heartbreaking, though, that this could go on for so long and that even though I have... ah said many times that I have weird feelings about Kaylee Anthony's grandparents.
00:33:24
Speaker
You cannot deny that they reported her missing and they were looking for her, whether it was a facade, maybe they had other intentions, maybe they were doing it to look good.
00:33:35
Speaker
They still reported her missing and were actively searching for her. And there was a huge, massive search effort for Kaylee Anthony And it is so sad to me that Ava Gonzalez does not get the same level of recognition or concern. And I think it really, in a lot of cases, comes down to how...
00:33:55
Speaker
the family presents and how the family initiates investigations. Because like you said, a two-year-old doesn't have a social group. She also cannot advocate for herself and she doesn't have her own.
00:34:09
Speaker
Like at that point, your mom is your life pretty much. yeah And so if your mom is not looking for you and then your mom's family and her friends are not concerned about you, not looking for you, don't notice that you're suddenly absent.
00:34:23
Speaker
I mean, it puts this child at a terrible disadvantage and it puts the police at a terrible disadvantage. And yeah, I think, you know, it's similar. Unfortunately, I think that there's probably a lot of similar circumstances, but I think that Ava did not have anyone to advocate for her.
00:34:41
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And because, you know, Kaylee also doesn't have a dad. That's known. But she had grandparents. Right. There was someone who knew existed. A lot of media appeals.
00:34:52
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Yeah, exactly. That knew she existed and was willing to go to the press and talk about her nonstop, which I have not seen the Gonzalez family doing. Yeah.
00:35:02
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So, yeah, I don't. There's not a lot to say. it makes it really sad. Other than our speculations, it's. You just don't know, right? Yeah.
00:35:13
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And I agree. i hope that something comes of it from somewhere, someone, the children, family, some random person who is in a social group with the Gonzalez's.
00:35:24
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um But the other part of me is this case will never close until something happens. it They might not yeah have as many investigators on it as time goes because that's just how it goes, unfortunately.
00:35:40
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ah But don't know. ah i definitely want to see her in jail because this is not okay.
00:35:51
Speaker
Regardless of what happened to that baby, you don't deserve to have those children back. Point and simple.
00:35:58
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Definitely not. I mean, in literally encouraging your 14 year old and your 10 year old to abuse their sister is so disgusting. And I think that that kind of a mother, that kind of a person belongs to be in prison for the rest of her life.
00:36:12
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The only exception, i think the only reason she should ever even be offered a plea deal is if she was able to offer information in the search for Ava. But I think if she did that, it would just be self-serving completely.
00:36:25
Speaker
Well, even if that was the case, the plea would probably be very specific on time or charge right they're not gonna be like you can walk free if you tell me this like it's still gonna be you can get a lesser on x versus z like ah they're not gonna completely let her off 100 to find a body but they might be like hey we'll let you have the eligibility to get out again or like something of that similarity would be my guess right yeah no i agree
00:37:04
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Either way, very sad. Very glad they're in a new house. And hopefully these children are in good foster homes and getting support and counseling and trying to get them back into school and catch them up on what they've behind. And so hopefully that these kids...
00:37:26
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will be able to start building a life. The 14-year-old and the 10-year-old are definitely going have the hardest because at that point, you have some you have memories from that age. The younger ones yeah aren't necessarily going to remember.
00:37:40
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The two-year-old is... they They might have some like psychological issues, but not necessarily memories. um so I don't know. For sure. Because this is still their ones are going to harm psychologically traumatizing.
00:37:59
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Absolutely. For the harder ones. And I feel like this is one of those situations where it would probably be best for them not to all be in the same foster placement and to have some distance from each other.
00:38:09
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But I'm sure that's also incredibly traumatic for the kids to not all be together. And honestly, they might not, even if they could, with the foster system, I don't know how you could have a placement for six kids in the same place. Most of the time, they're struggling to place two.
00:38:31
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i i would imagine that they've probably split them off into twos or threes. um Because, yeah, I just can't imagine that there's a ah foster home who can just overnight take six kids.
00:38:43
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Right. Seven kids. I mean... yeah I don't even know if it would safe be safe for them all to be together at this point. um I think probably a lot of therapy and a lot of unpacking needs to happen. ah yeah It's definitely tragic.
00:38:58
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i you know I think right now Virginia is right where she needs to be. and yeah Hopefully they're putting some pressure on her to give more information. Oh, I'm sure.
00:39:12
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Well, do you have any final thoughts with Miss Virginia or Little Miss Ava?
00:39:18
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I don't. I just really hoping for the best and hoping that she'll be found. And if you live in Austin or if you've been to Austin, maybe just take a second, look at this age progression photo and just see if this is someone that you have seen. Look at Virginia. Do you know her?
00:39:35
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Did you know her seven years ago? it It doesn't hurt to look. Yeah. How about you? I completely agree. Couldn't say it better myself. Yeah.
00:39:47
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well until next week until next time you too bye