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Wendy Williams
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This week on the Mothers of All Crime we are talking about Wendy Williams. Wendy is an icon who built her empire as a shock jock host and television personality. In recent years Wendy's TV show has ended and the only times she has been in the public eye has been in a series of documentaries. Wendy has battled substance abuse and many debilitating medical conditions. Her diagnosis of Frontotemporal dementia shocked the public. Wendy's bank flagged concerns regarding financial abuse. These factors resulted in the star being placed in a conservatorship and ultimately into a memory care facility. This tragic diagnosis would be devastating for anyone to receive- but could it be a misdiagnosis? Wendy certainly thinks so. Williams has been reaching out to friends and family screaming out that she is unfairly being held under conservatorship. Dementia doesn't tend to improve but Wendy seems to have made a miraculous improvement. Please listen in to hear a voicemail she left for a source VERY close to us , for our thoughts and how you can help.
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May contain explicit language and unfounded accusations.
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Transcript
Introduction to 'Mothers of All Crime'
00:00:23
Speaker
Hello and welcome to the Mothers of All Crime. This is a podcast where we deep dive into mothers involved in infamous crimes and scandals. I'm Monica and this is Crystal.
00:00:35
Speaker
Welcome back to the Mothers of All Crime.
Wendy Williams: Celebrity Scandals
00:00:38
Speaker
This week we have a very special topic. We're talking about Wendy Williams. She is a radio personality, talk show host, international celebrity, and someone I tangentially know.
00:00:53
Speaker
And there have been a lot of recent scandals, dramas, and publicity, and Court issues, all kinds of things.
00:01:05
Speaker
And we're going to talk a little bit about what's been going on with Wendy, what's happened, what we think is going to happen in the future, that kind of thing. Yeah, I think Wendy Williams is an interesting one because you have her public persona that a lot of us saw with her uprising and becoming popular.
00:01:25
Speaker
And then we saw what a lot of the public perceived as like a crash out. um And unfortunately, because she's so public, it was on like live TV and it was documented. yeah.
00:01:43
Speaker
And then there's a she kind of disappeared. i think prior to us having conversation about Wendy, the last thing I remembered about her was her having some ah substance abuse issues, crashing out on TV, and then I like never heard about her again. and I just kind of assumed...
00:02:04
Speaker
She like pulled out of public eye until you brought in some really interesting stuff that I think is really everyone should know about that I as like a normal person didn't know.
Personal Connection: Monica's Story
00:02:21
Speaker
Yes, I think that this, i know I know exactly what you're talking about, and it definitely has opened ah Pandora's box for me, where now I've watched all of the recent Wendy Williams documentaries, watched a bunch of interviews, read articles, watched her family members' interviews, and I'm like a little bit obsessed.
00:02:38
Speaker
But the way this came to my attention is that my mother... grew up with Wendy. They met in first grade and they were friends through elementary school, middle school, high school, on the marching band together.
00:02:51
Speaker
um So they know each other from childhood. And years ago, my mother was in the audience at the show. Wendy saw her. They kind of reconnected. They've seen each other at some high school reunions.
00:03:04
Speaker
ah But they're not especially close anymore. Obviously, lives move on. these are They went to school together in the 80s. A lot has changed for both of them since then.
Voicemail Revelation: Wendy's Conservatorship
00:03:15
Speaker
But recently, my mom heard from Wendy for the first time in years. She got a voicemail from Wendy, which I can play on here if the audience would want to hear it. Yeah, and and your mom obviously gave you this voicemail. We didn't steal it from anybody. So I think it's a good start.
00:03:35
Speaker
Yeah, we didn't steal it from anybody.
00:03:39
Speaker
I think Wendy wants people to know this information. That's at least what I've gathered from all of this. I think Wendy is reaching out. She wants people to know what's going on. And this was literally her reaching out because she wanted my mother to know what was going on.
00:03:53
Speaker
So I'm going to play the voicemail and we'll pick up after that.
00:04:00
Speaker
Diane, you'll never believe who this is. Diane Sinek. This is Wendy Williams.
00:04:07
Speaker
Oh my God. Oh, my God. my God. Oh, my God. Okay. I'm calling from a landline phone. I only have a landline phone. And I'll talk to you about that and more. Diane, Senate, when can I talk to you?
00:04:20
Speaker
When can I call you? Should I? How about this? I'm going to call you at 2 p.m. today. It's Sunday. And I'll see if you answer the phone. Diane, I cannot believe I found your telephone number.
00:04:35
Speaker
Holy shit. Okay, bye.
00:04:40
Speaker
So that's Wendy Williams leaving my mom a voicemail. And it came from a number that said unknown caller. And that's why she missed the call and then checked the voicemail and thought it was really odd and thought it was odd that she said she only had a landline phone.
00:04:59
Speaker
And didn't leave any callback number to reach her at. So throughout the day, Wendy called a couple more times. She finally got my mom on the phone and they talked. And Wendy...
00:05:12
Speaker
wendy told her that she is essentially in a conservatorship against her will, that she's being held in a essentially an assisted living home.
00:05:26
Speaker
She is in a facility in New York City. She's on the fifth floor and she is in a unit that is for memory impaired people. So most of the people that are on her floor are in their ninety s have advanced stages of dementia and Alzheimer's.
00:05:44
Speaker
And she told my mom that she is not free to leave and that she cannot receive incoming calls. She can only make outgoing calls. She does not have a cell phone or a computer.
00:05:57
Speaker
She just has this landline for access. Which is obviously a drastic change from the lavish lifestyle celebrity and popular TV host and all of the other amenities that she had before.
Wendy's Health Struggles and Divorce Impact
00:06:14
Speaker
And I think also that's not something that was public, at least not to the extreme that Everyone knew. I'm sure people did. it wasn't making a national headline until later.
00:06:34
Speaker
yeah Yes and no. So Wendy had her show on TV from like 2008 to 2021. But the last few years were marked with hiatuses that were related to different health problems that she was having.
00:06:49
Speaker
She pretty famously passed out during a live taping of her show while she was dressed as the Statue of Liberty. And that was later revealed to be related to Graves' disease. She has thyroid condition.
00:07:02
Speaker
She also has lymphedema and other medical problems. She also ah came out on the show and said that she was living in a sober living facility at some point because she was struggling with substance abuse.
00:07:18
Speaker
And then there was a pretty public unraveling of her marriage when her husband had an affair and got someone else pregnant and they ended up divorcing, which is obviously terrible.
00:07:34
Speaker
But Kevin, her ex-husband, was not only her husband and the father of her only child. He was also her executive producer and business Which is always a great choice. and so Yeah. I mean, it makes a lot of sense to do that when everything's great.
00:07:54
Speaker
But when that person betrays you, turns on you. then you are not just losing your husband, you're losing ah so many other things. think it's common the early parts of your career, right? And then I would think that like as you grow bigger and bigger, you would want your family to be less in charge for those exact reasons. like Yes, quote, your husband will always have your best interest, but like what if it doesn't work out? Yeah.
00:08:27
Speaker
They also have a very strong like relation of like your success is directly impacts their life. So like they might manipulate certain things without you even knowing.
00:08:43
Speaker
Definitely. And I think that Wendy trusted him with a lot and he clearly didn't deserve that trust and totally went around her and violated it and wasn't supportive while she's dealing with her medical problems, with her substance abuse. Like that's your wife. This is your responsibility.
00:09:03
Speaker
And he should have been protecting her in the business arena as well. But You can't trust anyone, ah you know even someone you're married to for over 20 years.
Frozen Accounts and Financial Guardianship
00:09:15
Speaker
Apparently you can't trust.
00:09:17
Speaker
So he's more or less out of the picture now, but they still have a son together, Kevin Jr., who is an adult and also a big factor in the situation that she is now in Because in January of 2022, Wells Fargo froze her bank accounts because they thought that she needed a guardian because there were family members, which...
00:09:47
Speaker
Everyone's very careful about saying who the family members are. It sounds to me, which is this is my interpretation of it, that it's primarily Kevin Jr. It's primarily her son who was accessing her funds and spending beyond what he was supposed to.
00:10:02
Speaker
And Wells Fargo thought that she was being taken advantage of. And she disputed this initially.
00:10:13
Speaker
And um a judge ended up awarding a temporary financial guardian, which is Sabrina Morrissey. That's her name. And she is now...
00:10:27
Speaker
Wendy's conservator and in charge of all of her finances. And when you're in charge of someone's finances and you're able to act as them and make all of their medical decisions, Wendy basically can't do anything herself because at least spend money at that point, she could not do it.
00:10:46
Speaker
um She ended up going to a wellness facility. Some people think she was in rehab. I couldn't find anything definitive. And then Wendy got diagnosed with aphasia and frontotemporal dementia in 2023.
00:11:03
Speaker
And in the year of 2022, while Wendy was initially in the guardianship, having some very serious medical problems, she was filming a Lifetime documentary that ended up airing in February of 2024.
00:11:18
Speaker
But it was documenting her since 2022. And I watched that recently. She is really, really not okay in that documentary. She is slurring her words. she's She can barely talk. She's not able to...
00:11:37
Speaker
function properly. She is making some really poor makeup decisions and there's just an air of her being very ill.
00:11:48
Speaker
And so I watched that and And then I watched more things of how she is recently. And it is it's shocking, honestly. As someone who grew up ah seeing her on TV, having an idea of who she was, hearing her podcast, like in the Lifetime documentary, she is unrecognizable.
00:12:09
Speaker
So I saw that and I kind of thought, okay, maybe she needs to be in a conservatorship. But now Wendy is telling everyone that will listen that she is not incapacitated.
Wendy's Imprisonment Claims
00:12:24
Speaker
She has been calling in to podcasts. She has been appearing on The View. She has been. She did a documentary with TMZ, with Harvey Liven, where she is talking on the phone and they have a camera pointed at the window as she's crying through the window saying,
00:12:43
Speaker
i should I don't belong in here. i need to get out. I'm in prison. I'm trapped. And it's just the most wild thing to watch. So it kind of brings us to where we are now, where Wendy is in a facility under conservatorship, not free to leave.
00:13:05
Speaker
And somehow her aphasia and dementia have improved to the point that she can have normal phone calls. Yeah.
00:13:17
Speaker
I just it blows my mind. It's the diagnosis that that are interesting um because yeah like you mentioned, a big thing for me was when I heard she was in a facility.
00:13:30
Speaker
i didn't know she was under conservatorship. Like to me, that was never something that was strong enough in the news that ever made it to me.
Conservatorship Comparisons: Wendy vs. Britney
00:13:39
Speaker
um it might have been and i might have missed it but i think when you say conservatorship my brain automatically goes to britney spears obviously because of that whole fiasco sure and with all her documentaries and stuff coming out my brain remembered like the media kind of going after her because of the addiction issues which
00:14:02
Speaker
I don't think it was totally fair because most celebrities, unfortunately, in that age bracket, almost all of them, not all them, a good portion of them have had some stint in rehab at least once.
00:14:14
Speaker
like And I think they really zoned in on her. yeah And when these documentaries were coming out, right now, it's my perception that like everyone in their mom is having a documentary about their life so i just assumed it was another one of like i'm wendy here's my childhood life and blah blah blah and which is great because they're super interesting but like it was just one of those things i'm like oh here's another person's life story cool and i never watched it until you brought it up
00:14:48
Speaker
um ah Because again, it was just it was something that yeah conservatorships aren't super public. It's not something that people want to know that is happening.
00:14:59
Speaker
And I did the same thing with the 2022 rehab The only thing that I could find was they said September 22 was a, like, two-month facility check-in.
00:15:14
Speaker
But that was reported to people People Magazine. So, like, take that with a grain of salt. ah So, but again, that was September. And the conservatorship happened, I think you said February, if I remember.
00:15:28
Speaker
so It was already in the works. You got to wonder if at that point, were they still trying to like, okay, did it go in with good intention and now has gone too far?
00:15:42
Speaker
Like, did she need some kind of assistance at the beginning? Not necessarily financially, but like having someone look at her and be like, you're going to rehab if you want to or not. Not necessarily always the worst thing because sometimes when you're in active addiction, you don't know that you need the help.
00:16:01
Speaker
And sometimes you got to force that on to someone. Not that I'm saying doing forcing is good, but I'm just trying to think of like how it could have started. But the big thing is financials.
00:16:14
Speaker
And I have found right a lot of documents that directly name her son. 100% their concern was the son.
00:16:25
Speaker
It's more just in the documentaries. Alluding. Everyone's yeah dancing around it. But... and Absolutely. She also seems to blame his friends, like her son's friends, which I think is a classic parent move where it's like, well, my child wouldn't do something to me. It's obviously he's being influenced by other people around him. Which might not be totally her site Because if you are a friend of like a super yeah famous person, you're going to be like, hey, you can do X, Y, and Z. Why don't you do this?
00:16:58
Speaker
Like, I could see how she could get to that.
Family Disputes and Guardianship Concerns
00:17:01
Speaker
But again, like, i think you're also right. like Probably some of it is him being used to getting access to an extreme amount of money. This isn't someone who just did two or three good films and like...
00:17:14
Speaker
did okay like Wendy Williams her career is quite impressive if you look from the beginning like it it's a it's amazing oh yeah absolutely 90 80 early late 80s early 90s is when she kind of started with radio and then just took off from there like quite impressive Yeah.
00:17:35
Speaker
And she's written books. She started charities. She's done some very famous interviews. She is a recognizable, legit celebrity.
00:17:46
Speaker
And to me, that makes it seem even like this couldn't happen to her. But with Britney and with Britney, it was a different situation because her family was controlling the conservatorship. Right.
00:18:00
Speaker
And in this situation, Wendy's son is the problem. So he's not going to be her conservator. But she has other relatives saying that they were not given any opportunity to serve as her conservator, even if they would have had her best interests at heart.
00:18:18
Speaker
And they don't seem to support the situation that she's in right now. Yeah, one thing that the son makes me feel icky the more that I've read about him.
00:18:29
Speaker
um i actually saw one thing that her son publicly stated that she has dementia that was alcohol induced. And the more that like I and I feel like because there's these other diagnoses.
00:18:43
Speaker
being made or claims being made having her son reinforce some of that regardless if they're true or not because like you said like she's very cognitively there in these interviews and things like that but over the last three years you would think that that there would be some kind of question there or a re-evaluation like I personally haven't experienced anyone who has dementia to an extreme level, but my brain says like if you have, it would be something you check in on, like progressive, and it's going to get worse over time, not necessarily maybe in three years, but...
00:19:21
Speaker
When you have her saying she doesn't have any of these issues and she's there against her will, her son, don't want to say re like agreeing, but like kind of supporting the reason that she's being kept there and her other family being like,
00:19:41
Speaker
There are people who are willing to be fine. If you want to have her under conservatorship, fine. But like give it to a family member. Why is it this third party person? If it's just the, like the son, who's the problem?
00:19:52
Speaker
She has siblings. Like she has, and think her parents are still alive, right? Like they're older, but they're alive. Like, her Her father is alive. He's 94. Okay, so probably not the best choice. But, like, siblings. But she has siblings. and her and And her niece, Alex Finney, is in a lot of these documentaries and is a outspoken, free Wendy advocate.
00:20:16
Speaker
She thinks her aunt sounds normal, that she is normal, that maybe she's not... able to manage her finances and that that does need to be handled by a third party.
00:20:28
Speaker
But her medical decisions and her physical where she is every day, the family does not think that this should be the guardian or the conservators call. like So and it's interesting that you I do want to go um talk a little bit about the dementia because a lot of people are saying that she has alcohol related dementia.
00:20:50
Speaker
And I actually think that that is Wendy's best argument for getting out of her conservatorship because I've i've been looking into it. And if you have frontotemporal dementia, if you have that condition, it is progressive. It's jen degenerative. It is not going to get better at all.
00:21:12
Speaker
she does She did, at least in the time of her Lifetime documentary, have a lot of the symptoms of this type of dementia. And it is not something that can be 100% diagnosed by a certain test.
00:21:28
Speaker
There are MRIs that can be done to look at the um the temporal lobe, if it's atrophying in the brain, but sometimes it looks normal. And I obviously don't have access to Wendy's MRIs, but that's also something that you can see in alcohol related dementia. There can be shrinking in the brain in the frontal temporal lobes.
00:21:51
Speaker
So the thing, the difference really between alcohol related dementia and any other type of dementia is that if you remove the alcohol,
00:22:02
Speaker
People can have huge recoveries and regain their memory. They don't have aphasia all of a sudden. They're able to speak. They're able to comprehend.
00:22:13
Speaker
And like it, love it, hate it Wendy has been kept away from alcohol since she's been under this extreme conservatorship. And she has recovered.
00:22:25
Speaker
And she sounds way better. And I'm not with her all the time, but I know that she's having a lot of conversations with a lot of different people because she's calling other people that she went to high school and middle school and elementary school with.
00:22:39
Speaker
And everyone thinks... wow, she sounds fine. And if someone is having progressive debilitating symptoms of dementia, they are not going to suddenly sound better.
00:22:52
Speaker
And she does, which makes me think that this alcohol related dementia. It was a misdiagnosis. And if she can stay sober then she doesn't need to be in a facility for people with Alzheimer's and progressing dementia.
00:23:09
Speaker
It's just not an appropriate place for her. Yeah. And well, there was another diagnosis though, too, wasn't there? Not just the dementia. So it was a fate.
00:23:22
Speaker
the The other one was aphasia. Yeah. And aphasia is an impairment in a person's ability to comprehend or formulate language because of a dysfunction in specific brain regions. See, that's the one i think is more argumentative because, like, she's having interviews. She's having communication. Like, clearly she can talk. If she has strong aphasia, she wouldn't be able to leave a conversation. For sure. Right? Like...
00:23:47
Speaker
I don't know. It's yes the whole. But that is a symptom of dementia is aphasia. So it's like that would be the cause of it.
00:23:59
Speaker
And she did seem to have symptoms that seemed like. aphasia and dementia in the Lifetime documentary, which I think it's also very important to point out that her conservator was supposed to be in control of Wendy at the time of that filming. She had already taken over But then when the documentary was going to go to air, her conservator, Sabrina, sued Lifetime try to prevent it from airing at all, saying that they took advantage of Wendy and she wasn't in her right mind and this shouldn't be filmed and this shouldn't be aired.
00:24:37
Speaker
It, um, she didn't win though. It was aired. Yeah. The whole thing is interesting. And I do think it's important to note that this is happening in New York.
00:24:48
Speaker
Um, and New York is a state that is very tight with their records and what's available to the public coming. Obviously medical records are tight no matter where you go with HIPAA,
00:25:04
Speaker
But when it comes to court documents, the states really vary. You have states like Florida with the Sunshine Laws that you pretty much have access to any and all information if it went through the public court system.
00:25:17
Speaker
But the state of New York is far less open. with their information ah so a lot of the information that we're getting is from the family members from these documentaries from articles that are being written um there's little to none that at least i could find i don't know about you that is hardcore fact evidence because new york just doesn't publish this stuff without subpoenas
00:25:47
Speaker
Yeah.
Privacy and Legal Challenges in Wendy's Case
00:25:48
Speaker
So it is all hard to get to And any anything I was able to look at I could only see the beginning blurbs of. for a lot of the filings that have been happening, i i can't read the whole thing.
00:26:02
Speaker
Um, which obviously i guess it's for privacy reasons. It does make sense, but for this purpose, it is harder to research and her medical, her medical information should be her business. And that is not really something that's appropriate to be public information.
00:26:20
Speaker
The lawsuits, I suppose are also like, you could make an argument that it's for her privacy, But... Yeah. In New York, everything is so hard to access. You get snippets of court documents unless you have, I suppose, an actual reason that you need access to them.
00:26:41
Speaker
i think we have a great reason, personally. Curiosity. It's research for the podcast. um I did find a legal document from Sabrina Morrissey describing Wendy as cognitively impaired, permanently disabled, and legally incapacitated.
00:27:00
Speaker
And she says that she will continue to be and that it is generative and she won't get better. And so she needs to be under this. There are, there is a lot of backlash though. There are a lot of people trying to get Wendy out. There has been similar to the free Britney movement.
00:27:16
Speaker
There's a free Wendy movement trending on Tik TOK on X. People are, especially as the documentaries come out and Wendy keeps trying to make contact with the public.
00:27:28
Speaker
People are trying to support her. There's GoFundMes. There are ways that you can sign petitions online to try to get her out. Her husband, I'm sorry, her ex-husband, I should be very, very clear.
00:27:42
Speaker
Her ex-husband has recently, like today, filed something that is supposed to be him trying to sue to get her out of the conservatorship. We read a little bit of it. Which like. But hope that he yeah has very good intentions, obviously, and that he's not trying to get in control of her money.
00:28:00
Speaker
Yeah. The husband thing is tough. The husband thing is tough. Because, like, they obviously had a very long marriage. He made some decisions that weren't good. um But you never know what their relationship was behind closed doors. We don't know the full picture of it.
00:28:16
Speaker
um Obviously, they did get divorced. But... I think there were probably times that they got through really well. And she he was her manager for a long time. I'm hoping, hoping being the key word, that the manager side of him and the caring side of him is like, hey, regardless if it worked out or not, like this isn't where she should be. Like there are other people who are willing to step up that this isn't what needs to be happening. So I'm hoping it's from a good place.
00:28:49
Speaker
I mean, i really hope so because even if Wendy is too ill to take care of herself, which I don't see any evidence of, it seems to me that she is able to get herself dressed. She's able to feed herself. She's able to bathe herself. That's what everyone is saying that actually has contact with her.
00:29:05
Speaker
So I don't know if she needs a full-time caregiver, but even if she did, she could be at home receiving that kind of care where she still home. She can be in bougie-ass home paying one.
00:29:16
Speaker
Like it's not like she can't afford it. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And where she is, is not inexpensive. She says it's $18,000 a month. I'm sure that she could get a full time caregiver for that cost to live in her home with her. Oh, hundred she could probably have several shifts of nursing nurses and people and drivers.
00:29:35
Speaker
Maybe she shouldn't have a driver's license. I don't know. Maybe she needs a sober coach. I don't know. Maybe she needs someone to be managing her money. Probably. But i don't think any of that necessitates her being in a lockdown unit in a dementia wing of an assisted living facility.
00:29:54
Speaker
She is in this documentary on TMZ saying that she is on the fifth floor and she is not allowed to take the elevator down to the gym on the third floor. She's not allowed to go to the lobby and walk outside.
00:30:05
Speaker
She is literally locked in. And I will say from a legitimate dementia patient perspective, these are security risks that need to be in place. Sure. Because the other people who are on the ward that are suffering from this horrible disease, them going to a third floor is a huge security issue. It's a safety issue.
00:30:30
Speaker
Like it's because she's in the situation she's in that it feels so drastic. I just didn't want to put that out of perspective of like, it's not the unit. Like, it's just her situation. Of course. Because. Of course. Like you said, like, it she shouldn' shouldn't necessarily.
00:30:47
Speaker
And also, i think for me, it's not the conservatorship as much as it is the placement Because I think you kind of mentioned that like, listen, someone needs to be in charge of her money. That feels fair, like considering a bunch of factors.
00:31:05
Speaker
But also like how many people who have that kind of money are managing their money anyway? Like this all stemmed from someone from Wells Fargo in charge of her money.
00:31:16
Speaker
So maybe there needs to be a team of people in charge of that and then like a care team or like you have a mental health coach, you have a therapy coach, sober coach. Get a team for her and put her in a facility that is better suited for her. If she needs help, that's fine. But put her somewhere that is actually going to help her if that is your concern.
00:31:42
Speaker
Because right now, this is not the concern, right? Like, it's not effective.
00:31:49
Speaker
Oh, yeah, definitely. And I don't think that Wendy... I mean, Wendy has been hospitalized previously. She has lived in sober living facilities previously. She's gone to wellness centers, gone to rehabs.
00:31:59
Speaker
I don't think that she is... unwilling to seek treatment because those are all things that she did prior to being under a conservatorship. Right. But it's about appropriate treatment. And maybe, i don't know, but maybe at the time that she entered into this facility, maybe that is what she needed.
00:32:18
Speaker
But right now, right it seems like extremely inappropriate. And Wendy is begging for help. And I do wanna talk about um her reevaluation and what's gonna happen with that.
00:32:30
Speaker
um There was an incident in March of this year where Wendy threw a note out of her fifth floor window and it just said help Wendy on it. and this ended up um resulting in a wellness call.
00:32:46
Speaker
And so the police came and she was brought to Lenox Hill Hospital. And did a mental health evaluation and got a perfect 10 out of 10 on this evaluation.
00:32:57
Speaker
Again, so why is she there?
Court Evaluations and Ex-Husband's Role
00:33:02
Speaker
Exactly. So she, it is supposed to be something that's going to be re-evaluated in court. But I don't know what the timeline is like for that.
00:33:13
Speaker
And I don't know, even when this goes to court, how quickly it can be resolved. But if there are people suing on her behalf, I don't know how effective that's going to be, but I got to think it's going to help.
00:33:26
Speaker
And then her being able to communicate with the outside world to the point of being taken to a ah hospital to be evaluated and the physicians clearing her essentially.
00:33:38
Speaker
And then she still has to go back to the assisted living. It's just, ah it's wild. Absolutely crazy. Yeah. So I,
00:33:50
Speaker
found this one article i think it was people um where her original rescheduling of evaluation was march of this year and then she denied ah supposedly denied participating in it and then it got rescheduled again and her guardian sabrina made a statement saying that She's now ready to reschedule the scans and um appointments when as long as Wendy's willing to do it.
00:34:25
Speaker
And it feels very contradictory. Like, if Wendy's doing all these things... it to To the outside perspective, you would think then she's on board with doing this reevaluation.
00:34:41
Speaker
So that also is bizarre. um She may have originally said no out of, like, anger. Like, how dare you? Like, this is ridiculous. I'm not doing that. Like... um But the fact that now it's rescheduled again with the way the court system is, like, it's going to be a while because unfortunately you don't most of the time deny a court date and then get booked next month. Like it tends to, all right, you're back at the bottom of the pile then.
00:35:11
Speaker
Like, I don't know. I'm hoping that Kevin Sr.'s lawsuit gets things moving a little bit. Because it just seems like she's living in a state of suspended animation.
00:35:25
Speaker
and ah you know shes She describes her conservatorship as emotional abuse she and financial abuse. Because this person is also getting paid to do this. It's not free.
00:35:39
Speaker
Well, they're court-appointed, so it's not like they make any more money but because it's Wendy. At least from... i so So, I think, though, on the TMZ documentary, they were saying that she does get paid... on.
00:35:55
Speaker
That she does get paid from Wendy, and that the court has authorized that.
00:36:04
Speaker
that That's bizarre, because if she's court-appointed... Wendy,
Financial Mismanagement Allegations
00:36:12
Speaker
I don't know. I guess I don't know enough about conservatorship to make a solid answer, but I guess my first incident would be if it's court appointed, the person shouldn't be responsible for paying them.
00:36:24
Speaker
But also, I don't know, because I'm trying to think of like how that works civilly. Well, you're not guaranteed an attorney if you're civil. So, in in the criminal side, you're guaranteed representation and the court pays for your representation.
00:36:41
Speaker
if you're given like a probation officer or a social worker a case manager, those are all paid by the state. I, it would be very interesting if conservatorships and financials appointed to you also are paid by the state or if but yeah I don't know.
00:37:02
Speaker
Having Wendy pay for it feels weird to me So I don't know 100%, but I'm looking an article that's saying that she's mismanaged, mishandling $400,000 and other articles saying that she was paid $30,000 initially and then has been working for Wendy for free.
00:37:29
Speaker
But I don't know. don't know. And then again, like mismanagement of funds could is perspective, right? Like she might think that she's doing the right thing in Wendy's best interest versus.
00:37:42
Speaker
Obviously not. Like, that's all on the eye beholder. I'm like, if it is a court-appointed person, these – I'm going from like a criminal side, case manager, because that's so my understanding best.
00:37:57
Speaker
They're typically so overworked and have such a big caseload. Like, they don't have the time to get to know every single person they're working on, which is awful. And that's a tangent for another time.
00:38:10
Speaker
But like, you got to wonder how knowledgeable Sabrina is ah about Wendy specifically and her specific situation. Because if you're handed a file and say, this person is incapable of doing anything, you've been assigned to do X, y and Z.
00:38:28
Speaker
you're going to read the file and you go in with a mindset of she has all these issues blah blah blah versus if she spent long-term time with Wendy I wonder if like her opinion would change but a lot of them don't always have the ability to do that trying to give Sabrina a little bit of a benefit of the doubt
00:38:53
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, that could be. i I do see articles that say that she's been accused of stealing $30 million dollars from a previous client. but it Maybe not then. doesn't look like she was.
00:39:06
Speaker
Yeah, but I don't, it doesn't, it's not like she has been convicted of that. Like, these are just articles that, But it's things that she's been accused of, and I'm seeing articles from 2020, 2024 and 2025.
00:39:22
Speaker
And Kevin's lawsuit is for $250 million. dollars But I don't think that's against The Guardian. think that's against New York. I would assume New York.
00:39:34
Speaker
Yeah. Because they're technically the one who put her in the conservatorship, not the attorney. Oh, you know what? Actually, it says that he filed a lawsuit against her court-appointed guardian, Wells Fargo Clearing Services, American Express, and others, challenging the legitimacy of her guardianship.
00:39:56
Speaker
There are dozens of defendants. Gotcha. So he pretty much did. Anybody who's involved is going in that suit. Yeah. I mean, he filed it in New York, but it's it's not against New York specifically. It's against the individuals named.
00:40:10
Speaker
And i I could believe that there is money being mishandled or money being inappropriately allocated this way or that way.
00:40:22
Speaker
And I would like to think that people who run conservatorships or have access to someone who has dementia's finances that they would not take advantage of their power and that the money would go towards that person's care and nowhere else but I don't think it's that hard to believe that if her own son would steal from her and fuck her over that possibly her Guardian would as well.
00:40:50
Speaker
And usually people with dementia don't get better and call you out on things. But in this case, if Wendy has recovered and she's able to see what's going on and that's how it appears to her and to her family, maybe there's some legitimacy to that.
00:41:10
Speaker
Yeah. and I don't know. the The misconduct of handling feels like a whole separate issue. um Because I don't want to like rank the problems, but like it feels like the least important.
00:41:27
Speaker
like Well, the most important is Wendy ah having freedom to enjoy her life. Right. And that 60-year-old woman... without dementia shouldn't be in a facility like this.
00:41:38
Speaker
Yeah. Like, and I hate to say like her mismanagement of her money is like not a big deal, but like in the grand scheme of what she's dealing with, like I hate to say like $30,000 is not a big deal to her compared to her freedom.
00:41:53
Speaker
And honestly, probably her overall living expenses are $30,000 because it's because Celebrities have crazy bills because you make crazy money. So it's all proportionate.
00:42:04
Speaker
um butter but But right now she's living in a studio with a bathroom and a closet. and And that's what I'm saying is like, he doesn't have her she needs to, people need to focus more on the fact that she's somewhere that her and her family believe she shouldn't be against her decision and her family's decision. Yeah.
00:42:22
Speaker
and Because i think this would be a very different conversation if her whole family was like, no, she does have issues. And just Wendy was saying that she didn't. Regardless if it's true or not, like that's a lot easier to keep her there.
00:42:38
Speaker
When her whole family is saying that she's not, her ex-husband, her siblings, friends from like ah up and down, they're all saying that she's not and her.
00:42:49
Speaker
Someone should be looking into it. Yeah.
00:42:53
Speaker
Definitely. i agree. And I think that she is making desperate pleas for help. And I hope that the courts hear her. And I hope that she get somewhere safe and is not unable to just enjoy a normal life.
00:43:11
Speaker
Because I think that she is demonstrating that she's capable of participating in the normal world. So I hope that she gets those opportunities. And i hope that it goes even better than Britney getting out of her conservatorship because I think that that has drawn some um negative but feedback as well because there was such a hype for getting Britney out of her conservatorship and then Her public appearances and social media posts have led some people to think that maybe it was better for her to be under conservatorship and not have access to the internet in the way that Wendy doesn't right now.
00:43:51
Speaker
also think that's looking at an age difference, right? Like, Brittany went in so young to a lot of these things yeah versus Wendy is a grown woman, lived her life, clearly made it this far, doing okay.
00:44:06
Speaker
Yet is now in this situation. And I think what you said at the beginning really hit it the nail. Like, it's crazy to think about this happening to someone like her. But.
00:44:18
Speaker
it It does. and At the end of the day, celebrities are idolized, but they're still just people. And yeah at the end of the day, they should be respected like any other person, regardless of who they are, who they have been, what they have, and be respected and treated with dignity. And there's a lot of that just not happening for her.
00:44:42
Speaker
Absolutely. And she has not been convicted of any crimes. She is not violent. She has never been deemed unsafe for others or even for herself. She's not going to harm the community.
00:44:57
Speaker
There's really no benefit to keeping her locked up unless...
00:45:03
Speaker
It's to keep her away from her family because some of them are exploiting her, but that doesn't mean that she doesn't get to participate in life anymore. I feel like she's being punished and she's the victim in this situation.
00:45:16
Speaker
Yeah, I really wonder what the sun is feeding them. um Because ah so there there has to be something that's not public record that put her there to begin with and has kept her there that
Dementia Diagnosis and Sobriety
00:45:30
Speaker
long.
00:45:30
Speaker
Because,
00:45:33
Speaker
therere again, there's always a way. But there's just something in me that's like someone close to her is playing both sides. Someone close to her is helping her working against her and helping the system keep her where she is it just feels like there's no way that the state alone is doing this you know what i mean like it feels that you have to have some inside person close to her being like yeah you're right she shouldn't be like this is all like really gonna help her in the long run it just feels like there's something icky
00:46:16
Speaker
about it yeah don't know who it is but
00:46:22
Speaker
i think her son is 80 85 percent of the issue here um but i do think that at the time that wendy was filming her lifetime documentary which i do recommend that people watch and then immediately afterwards watch Saving Wendy on Tubi because it's just a two-year difference and the contrast is wild.
00:46:48
Speaker
But do, I could see how that person that I saw in the Lifetime documentary, how she could be diagnosed with these things and how she maybe does need a facility and maybe she is not able to care for herself.
00:47:01
Speaker
And I could see that, but obviously these things need to be reevaluated thoroughly and often, hundred especially in something that cannot be conclusively diagnosed because there are...
00:47:17
Speaker
other things that could cause any of the symptoms that were showing up at the time that she was diagnosed with. There's nothing specific that says that she definitely has this and has this degenerative disorder.
00:47:31
Speaker
I think her recovery speaks for itself. And yeah, I just, I mean, I'm, I feel like I'm saying the same things over and over at a certain point but it's just yeah mind-blowing and I just I wish that there was something that we could do I mean Wendy we are here trying to get the word out and I do think that when this goes to court again that she will be released from the conservatorship or at least that's what I hope
00:48:04
Speaker
yeah I think she can speak in her own defense at this point yeah Yeah, and you know, I just hope that it doesn't take a long time for her to get back to court.
Ex-Husband's Lawsuit Against Conservatorship
00:48:14
Speaker
um Or even if like the husband's case gets to court first, it would bring her to court and she can talk, which means speed up her process or something along those lines.
00:48:27
Speaker
um yeah But I agree. i think i think we've touched on a lot of it. and I think if we start going, we're going to talk about the same thing because it is just so mind-blowing.
00:48:39
Speaker
um yeah but do you have any kind of final thoughts about Wendy or her situation that you want to just reiterate or – Things we haven't mentioned?
00:48:51
Speaker
So I do want to reiterate that her ex is suing for $250 million dollars and he should not get that money if he wins.
00:49:04
Speaker
I hope that this is just a, like a big number to be shocking. And that if he did win money, like that money would go to Wendy because it just seems like,
00:49:17
Speaker
and kind like it seems unbelievable that he would get money even though he is not responsible for this situation but he contributed to her unraveling and the spiral that has led to this situation and her not being protected legally um so I just I really hope that he does not financially benefit from all of the suffering that she's enduring and yeah I think that's my final thought how about you Yeah, I mean, the number suing, like, ah the state of New York, a number like that doesn't shock me. Because if you're going to sue the state, typically people go for crazy numbers.
00:49:57
Speaker
um But I do agree. I think hopefully he's suing on her behalf and not for him. um Which you probably could tell if we could get access to the documents, we'd probably be able to tell. But we obviously can't.
00:50:11
Speaker
um But no, I think my final thought is more of just if she needs the help, give her the dignity of creating a treatment team that suits her needs.
00:50:24
Speaker
um I'm a big component of like sometimes people get sick and sometimes people need help and that's 100% okay. But give them the dignity of choosing how they want to deal with their condition and She fortunately is in a position that she can afford to make these super elaborate teams if she wants to, and she should.
00:50:49
Speaker
um It should be her choice on how she wants to deal with how she's feeling. I think that's my big thing is that it's not her choice right now.
00:51:01
Speaker
Yeah, I definitely agree. And um we're all rooting for you, Wendy, and we're going to put a lot of free Wendy hashtags in this. And feel free to sign the petitions on change.org, donate to her GoFundMe, you know, just generally talk about how wild the situation is. There is a lot of Wendy content out right now. She appeared on The View.
00:51:24
Speaker
She was on Charlamagne and the Gods podcast, The Breakfast Club. She has been... reaching out and she has been making statements. And if you ever knew Wendy at any point in your life, she's probably already called you from her landline.
00:51:38
Speaker
So I think that we should all be listening. We should all be talking about it and, you know, not just sweep this under the rug. Yes, we'll put the link if you're interested in ah the bio and all of our social media posts about Wendy that will come up with this episode.
00:51:55
Speaker
um And if you have questions, feel free to reach out to us if you can't. The link doesn't work, etc. um But yeah. Yeah, and I'll also include the names and where the documentaries are in the description of the episode in case anybody wants to lay their eyes on Wendy themselves.
00:52:14
Speaker
All right. Well, until next week with our next mother. Have a good Until next time. Bye.