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Human Egg Farm
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Introduction to Current Events Segment
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Mothers of all Crime
Today on the Mothers of All Crime, we're gonna be taking bite out of crime. We're gonna talk a little bit about some current events, some things that caught our eye, some things that felt relevant.
00:00:13
Mothers of all Crime
And yeah, so that's what we're gonna basically be doing with this new segment.
00:00:18
Krystal
Yeah, I'm excited for it. i
Highlighting Female-Related News Stories
00:00:20
Krystal
think there's a lot of news stories that are female related that get lost in the shuffle, particularly lately in this crazy world we're living in.
00:00:32
Krystal
So each time something we find interesting pops up, we're going to share with you guys.
00:00:38
Mothers of all Crime
Yeah, I am excited to do that because I feel like i there's always at least one thing going on every single week that I want to talk about. And
The Importance of Diverse News Sources
00:00:46
Mothers of all Crime
it seems like I'm in like a small minority of people maybe that care about it, but maybe that's just the people that I happen to be interacting with during the day. the Internet's a whole big world.
00:00:57
Krystal
Yeah, absolutely. And in a lot of the time, if you don't have the right, I want to say filters, I guess, coming up on your news streams, you're not going to get all of the stories because depending on what you listen to or what channels or podcasts or whatever the case is, it's just a wide variety of information.
00:01:15
Krystal
So there's a lot out there.
00:01:17
Mothers of all Crime
That's definitely true. Our algorithms are so curated to what we're already interested in that it's, you have to kind of step outside yourself. And I think listening to podcasts is one of the ways that I do that. And hopefully our listeners do too, where I learn about topics that I may be not already an expert in.
00:01:35
Mothers of all Crime
I listen to a lot of different things on podcasts.
00:01:38
Krystal
Yep, podcasts and TikTok, I swear. and my algorithms read my mind sometimes, so.
00:01:42
Mothers of all Crime
Yeah.
00:01:45
Mothers of all Crime
Although I will say I feel like after TikTok was banned temporarily and it came back, my algorithm was pretty messed up and I'm still, you know, brick by brick trying to repair it.
00:01:53
Krystal
Oh, no.
00:01:57
Mothers of all Crime
It just was it was like a little bit off.
00:01:59
Krystal
m
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Mothers of all Crime
I'm like, what what has happened? those That was a dark 24 hours.
00:02:02
Krystal
Our three hours of downtown. Yeah.
00:02:05
Mothers of all Crime
It was was a little bit more than three hours. It was bleak. For some of us, was hard.
00:02:10
Krystal
It was a rough, dark times, dark times.
00:02:13
Mothers of all Crime
It was almost a day. it was hard.
Human Trafficking Case in Georgia
00:02:18
Krystal
um So do you have a specific topic that you found that you want to talk about for this episode?
00:02:25
Mothers of all Crime
I do. So i was shocked and horrified to see a story that's international story about that took place in the country of Georgia. was related to human trafficking.
00:02:40
Mothers of all Crime
There were three women that were speaking out because they had recently been rescued from essentially being held hostage in a house in Georgia and being used as human egg like manufacturers they were treated like cattle it is the craziest thing
00:03:02
Krystal
Oh.
00:03:05
Krystal
I'm glad you said the country of Georgia because my first brain instinct was going to say it probably was Savannah, New Report. And that's very incorrect.
00:03:17
Krystal
Yeah.
00:03:18
Mothers of all Crime
Very different place, for sure. But I think that, yeah, I think a lot of people when they first are seeing that story, at least if you live in the USA, are centering it on the state of Georgia.
00:03:28
Mothers of all Crime
But this is certainly not the state of Georgia.
00:03:29
Krystal
Yeah.
00:03:31
Mothers of all Crime
This is the country of Georgia. um So basically what happened is... allegedly a Chinese gang was posting on Facebook advertising for surrogates to come to Georgia.
00:03:47
Mothers of all Crime
And they were paying pretty well and they attracted a lot of people. And the thing that I wanted to mention with that is Thailand has a lot of restrictions on surrogacy that are not true in Georgia or a lot of other places. And I think Those restrictions have in some ways led to this situation even being possible.
00:04:10
Mothers of all Crime
um Because if if it was legal, you wouldn't need to go outside of your country to do it. So that's... I mean... That's a whole big issue, i suppose.
00:04:23
Mothers of all Crime
And there really aren't international human rights laws or surrogacy laws that address this at all.
Challenges in Regulating Surrogacy and Cross-Border Crimes
00:04:31
Mothers of all Crime
It's kind of like a free-for-all, especially if you're doing things between multiple countries.
00:04:36
Mothers of all Crime
It's very hard to regulate. So I think that that in itself is a big issue that needs to be addressed as the technology advances. But... I mean, apparently about 100 women were being held against their will and being used as just you know producers of eggs and being given hormones.
00:04:58
Krystal
That's so creepy. and i think you're I think you're right when it comes to the communication that it's very easy to get lost in the communication side of it when it comes to illegal things.
00:05:14
Krystal
Because take from internal country-wise, the United States, the states have a really hard time communicating with each other about criminal histories, arrest reports, joint task force.
00:05:27
Krystal
that It's hard. Think about the adoption conversations we've had in the past where you just, you do one thing, you start to get in trouble and you leave.
00:05:31
Mothers of all Crime
Mm-hmm. huh
00:05:36
Krystal
but So I can only imagine how much more difficult it would be to follow an international gang and tracing people.
00:05:47
Krystal
Not to mention, i don't think people understand how much human trafficking happens and how many thousands hundreds of thousands of people are involved.
00:05:58
Krystal
That they tend to victimize these people who are very low income. They're just trying to survive. So an advertisement like this for surrogacy...
00:06:11
Krystal
What an easy way to make some money if you're fighting to feed yourself and your children and you have a daughter who's single and not married and she's considered like an old maid.
00:06:22
Krystal
What a great way for her to like make an income to help support the family. So I could see how it would be appealing to people.
00:06:32
Mothers of all Crime
Yeah, I think that surrogacy and human trafficking are conversations that You can have definitely together and separate, but they matter in this case for each other.
Surrogacy Laws and International Implications
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Mothers of all Crime
And the reason that these women were so susceptible to it is because they did not have an option to profit from surrogacy in Thailand. You can only do it altruistically in Thailand.
00:06:56
Mothers of all Crime
There's a lot of restrictions, too, on the people who are qualified to get a surrogate, which you have to be a heterosexual married couple and you absolutely cannot pay your surrogate. You usually have to be related to your surrogate.
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Mothers of all Crime
So if yeah,
00:07:12
Krystal
which is wild to think about like just hi Susie odd Susie could you please carry my baby for free like that's crazy
00:07:20
Mothers of all Crime
ah for sure. And I mean, but there are a lot of places that that is the rule and I could understand it, but the problem is when one rule is this way here, but not way that not that way there is it,
00:07:36
Mothers of all Crime
opens up the opportunity for you to go somewhere else and either make money off of it or still be able to do it. It's kind of like the polygamy laws that we have here, kind of like the drug laws that we have here where the interstate differences create wiggle room for crimes to happen.
00:07:55
Krystal
I wonder how they like pulled this off after the fact. Did it say anything about like, obviously they're pumping them with hormones to increase their egg production, all that.
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Krystal
But then what? like would they have ah Like, how do you deal with that afterwards?
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Mothers of all Crime
So they were selling
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Krystal
How can...
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Mothers of all Crime
There's a black market for human eggs.
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Krystal
how
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Mothers of all Crime
And that's people who are not either can't afford to or aren't going to meet whatever qualifications to get donor eggs because a lot of places have laws.
00:08:33
Mothers of all Crime
Like this is something that's done back alley. This is very black market.
00:08:37
Krystal
Turkey baster 101, I guess.
00:08:39
Mothers of all Crime
Not turkey baster. It has to be IVF. Has to be IVF.
00:08:42
Krystal
So there's like seriously educated people involved in this.
00:08:43
Mothers of all Crime
Yeah.
00:08:47
Krystal
so
00:08:48
Mothers of all Crime
Yeah.
00:08:48
Krystal
that makes me feel there has to be such a high ticket on these. If you have doctors willing to, like licensed professionals willing to kind of skirt around everything, they're they've got to be making bank.
00:08:54
Mothers of all Crime
Definitely.
00:09:02
Mothers of all Crime
right
International Trafficking Logistics
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Krystal
Not that it makes it okay, but...
00:09:05
Mothers of all Crime
I would. I would think so because they could have held them and used them as surrogates and they didn't because you can only have like one baby a year if you're a surrogate.
00:09:16
Mothers of all Crime
But if you're put on a bunch of hormones and forced to create all of these eggs against your will, like that can turn into potentially a lot more children.
00:09:17
Krystal
Right.
00:09:29
Krystal
That's a good point. And I wonder, because it was a gang, if there was... And human trafficking in general. Like if there was a group that they were doing the eggs with and then and that a group that they were doing surrogacy with and selling the rest of them. Like I bet there's a lot more of an underground connection that they haven't put together. At least that would be my speculation, particularly if a gang's the one that's running it.
00:09:54
Mothers of all Crime
That's what the articles I've been seeing. it says that it's a gang run out of China. But I don't know if that's 100% true. The women that are speaking out that were rescued from the situation are, I mean, everything's being done to protect their identities. They've only given interviews like with hoodies on, with masks on.
00:10:12
Mothers of all Crime
So I don't know if specific individuals have been named as suspects or if this is just more of a group project, if you will. But there had to be a lot of players involved to actually keep all of these people in the house.
00:10:29
Krystal
Right. Yeah. And I think what my other question would be is like, who would be responsible for prosecuting this too? Is jordan Georgia like the country that goes after because it happened in their country?
00:10:38
Mothers of all Crime
True.
00:10:43
Krystal
Is it Thailand because or China because that's where the people originated from? Is it the UN and having like a global perspective? I don't know who would be responsible with so many players involved. I would think Georgia.
00:11:01
Mothers of all Crime
I would also think Georgia. I think that Thailand probably should be pushing for charges. But if
00:11:12
Mothers of all Crime
I'm not really sure this, it seems like something the UN n would have to do because it is it does involve all of these different countries with their different laws. And. Yeah.
00:11:24
Krystal
Yeah, I don't know.
00:11:25
Mothers of all Crime
Hmm.
00:11:26
Krystal
And I guess probably as information comes out about it, because this was relatively fresh in the beginning of the year, kind of coming out, I'm sure investigations in multiple jurisdictions would be opened.
00:11:33
Mothers of all Crime
Mm-hmm.
00:11:40
Krystal
I know from like recent research that I've done outside of this, the UN doesn't really like to get involved if they don't have to. Because I think it just makes everybody upset that this overarching entity is coming into how you, how to run your country.
00:11:58
Krystal
But i feel like if this is the one that got found you know that there's more to it and you know there's probably more houses they just haven't found yet which is really sad but also good that it the hat got taken off at least
00:12:15
Mothers of all Crime
Absolutely. But I mean, it only came to the attention of the media after three of the hostages were freed. And that involved a family member coming up with 70,000 baht, which is the Thai dollar in ransom to get her out.
00:12:31
Mothers of all Crime
So they must have been able to get some sort of communication with their families at home. And if that hadn't happened, I'm not sure how else it would be caught. And the thing with the eggs, the other thing I want to think about with the eggs is they have to be kept at certain temperatures and they have to be preserved in certain ways.
00:12:51
Mothers of all Crime
So I would imagine getting these across country lines, especially through airports, would be quite difficult. And I wonder if maybe there's an operation within Georgia where it's going to fertility clinics there and it's not actually leaving.
00:13:09
Krystal
That I feel like makes the most sense. I'm sure if they can figure out how to export it, they would, but why? and coming from someone who has zero knowledge about like the shelf life of that, I can't imagine that eggs are like viable for a long period of time after they've been taken out of your body.
00:13:21
Mothers of all Crime
yeah
00:13:28
Krystal
You would think that they'd have to like, right? Like you take them out, they have to be inseminated after within a certain period of time or they aren't good.
00:13:32
Mothers of all Crime
yeah
00:13:36
Krystal
Yeah.
00:13:37
Mothers of all Crime
So they could be frozen indefinitely, but you'd have to have nitrogen to keep them at the right temperature. And they're usually in those gigantic metal containers.
00:13:48
Mothers of all Crime
Like it would not be cheap or subtle or easy to get those through airport security of any kind.
00:13:48
Krystal
Yeah.
00:13:56
Krystal
Or transporting, like you would need a serious amount of power in a vehicle of some sort, of like a truck or something to get it somewhere.
00:14:02
Mothers of all Crime
Mm hmm.
00:14:05
Mothers of all Crime
Well, if they were just driving across country lines, I guess they could just stack up a bunch of the canisters in the truck and drive away with it. It's possible. It's a landlocked
00:14:14
Krystal
Yeah. I
Criminal Gangs in Egg Trafficking
00:14:15
Krystal
don't know.
00:14:15
Mothers of all Crime
country, so it's possible.
00:14:17
Krystal
True. i feel like that, I don't know, because gangs are so much smarter than people to give them credit for, at least the high-ranking guys, because they're the ones that never get caught. They're the ones orchestrating everything. So I'm sure there's a pretty decent plan there. And it's the bottom level well grunts, really, that take the fall all the time because, I don't know, stupid criminals get caught.
00:14:42
Krystal
Yeah.
00:14:43
Mothers of all Crime
Yeah. I mean, this is definitely extremely organized crime.
00:14:48
Krystal
Oh, interesting. Yeah, I feel like I had only seen one article on this maybe a month ago, not even. And it's crazy to me that that's not talked about. Like, how is this not something that people are talking about considering the world and women's opinion movements and things like that that are happening?
00:15:12
Krystal
The fact that this isn't more publicized is astonishing. Yeah.
00:15:18
Mothers of all Crime
I agree with that. Definitely. I think that it's an atrocity and it's, I don't know, it's so it's so morally wrong. it's so It's so terrible. And to think that people will not really be held accountable and that there's people probably being held still right now as hostages in these egg farms, which is so disgusting. It's like, are you, um and women aren't even considered people, I guess sometimes, which is,
00:15:48
Mothers of all Crime
Yeah. sickening
00:15:50
Krystal
Yeah. And I know there are processes that women can donate eggs and get paid for them legally in a lot of senses.
00:15:58
Mothers of all Crime
yeah
00:16:00
Krystal
And it's I think it's an amazing thing if you're voluntarily making those decisions and giving someone who can't the opportunity. I think that's awesome.
00:16:11
Krystal
But I think the problem here is these women were tricked into something and then held against their will. And I don't know, there's some part of me that just thinks that if they were aware that they could do it legally other places, maybe they would have done it.
00:16:29
Krystal
But they thought this was the way to do it because of just lack of education, lack of knowledge, lack of opportunity.
00:16:36
Mothers of all Crime
Well, it was totally a bait and switch because they're told they're going to be surrogates, which there are different types of surrogates, but the most common now is that someone is just a gestational carrier and they carry a baby that they're not actually biologically related to.
00:16:36
Krystal
It's sad.
00:16:54
Mothers of all Crime
And it's done through IVF. So if you thought that's what you were signing up for, that's extremely different than having your own eggs taken because now the resulting children from those eggs are your biological children.
Moral Issues in Trafficking
00:17:09
Mothers of all Crime
But those women are not going to know where the eggs are, what happened to them, and they did not voluntarily give them up.
00:17:09
Krystal
Oh, true.
00:17:16
Krystal
Right. Talk about trauma.
00:17:18
Mothers of all Crime
So it makes it even more human trafficking. Yeah. I mean, that's, yeah, because it's human trafficking of the women, but it's also human trafficking of their children, their potential children.
00:17:28
Krystal
Oh, yeah, that's true. Because I guess, too, you have the The idea of like once you're out hypothetically for these women that were rescued now is the question of do I have a child out there?
00:17:44
Krystal
do ah like what happened to all my like and then what if they can't have their own children later on because of all the like hormones pumping in?
00:17:47
Mothers of all Crime
For sure.
00:17:53
Krystal
Like I can't imagine having to process that if that happens. That's awful.
00:17:58
Mothers of all Crime
Well, for sure. And we don't know if anybody was damaged by the hormones, medications, how well they were actually monitored. I'm sure it was not being done in a regulated, safe way because this is already an illegal operation.
00:18:09
Krystal
Right.
00:18:10
Mothers of all Crime
So if they're doing back to back extractions month after after month, pumping themselves up with all these hormones, I mean, some women can produce 30, 40 eggs.
00:18:23
Mothers of all Crime
So you could have hundreds of children potentially, ah but also are these eggs being used for that?
00:18:26
Krystal
Right. And I
00:18:29
Mothers of all Crime
Are they being used for science experiment? like I would assume that they are because that would give them the most value, but don't know.
00:18:36
Krystal
Well, I can't imagine all them would be viable either, considering, but like you said, if you're being pumped with all this stuff and you're not doing it in a correct way, ah can't imagine that's going work well, let viability-wise, let alone execution.
00:18:40
Mothers of all Crime
Oh, definitely not.
00:18:50
Mothers of all Crime
Well,
00:18:51
Krystal
Yeah.
00:18:52
Mothers of all Crime
So we don't know what happened, obviously, afterwards, but you're it's certainly not going to be one egg equals one child. it's it The ratio is way worse than that. But the thing is, you wouldn't know.
00:19:05
Mothers of all Crime
i bet they weren't even telling them how many eggs they got, what they did with them. So they have no clue.
00:19:09
Krystal
Yeah.
00:19:12
Krystal
Now flip it, though. If you're the person buying these eggs, expecting them all to be viable, too, and um my guess, just by the way that they're probably doing it, considering it's backdoor, most of them probably aren't.
00:19:25
Krystal
Now you're spending this crazy money because it's a higher ticket because it's illegal and you don't even get a viable product.
Persistence of Illegal Markets Despite Laws
00:19:32
Krystal
So theyre they're making bank off this for just abusing and torturing women and the vulnerable who...
00:19:41
Krystal
want the eggs as well.
00:19:43
Mothers of all Crime
Sure. But I also think, why are you buying the eggs illegally? I guess maybe they're selling them to places where egg donation is not legal.
00:19:52
Krystal
Right.
00:19:53
Mothers of all Crime
Which again, it's just like, you know, outlawing marijuana, outlawing alcohol, things like that. It doesn't actually stop those things from happening because people who have money will always still find solutions.
00:20:01
Krystal
Oh, yeah.
00:20:05
Mothers of all Crime
It's ah banning abortion, anything. People with money are still going to go and get the things done. It's just harder for the poor people.
00:20:11
Krystal
Or even... If it's not even like money, I feel like because if you're like a gay couple, for example, and it's illegal for you to do it.
00:20:18
Mothers of all Crime
no
00:20:21
Krystal
Like legally and you want to have a child, they're going to figure out a way to do it Some people will drain their entire life savings, every penny that they have to do this because that's what they want.
00:20:34
Mothers of all Crime
For sure.
00:20:35
Krystal
And like if you don't, what do you do if you have no other option? i think it's just if someone wants something bad enough, they'll figure out how to do it.
00:20:40
Mothers of all Crime
Well, that's...
00:20:43
Mothers of all Crime
Yeah, and that's what happened that's what caused bootlegging in the prohibition era. It's the reaction to this is illegal, but everyone still wants it.
00:20:49
Krystal
Right.
00:20:51
Mothers of all Crime
Everyone's still going to do it. You can't actually put barriers that are really going to stop everyone. And I just met with the money that like money helps you jump over barriers.
00:21:02
Krystal
Oh, for sure. Yeah, it definitely helps.
00:21:06
Mothers of all Crime
yeah like if you need to fly to Georgia to get eggs, if you need to pay a surrogate a hundred thousand dollars here, if it depends. But if you have money, it's just less of an issue.
00:21:17
Krystal
Right. And I feel like when it comes to certain parts of the world, and I'm not educated enough about Georgia to like say Georgia, but there's a lot of countries that there is a lot of corruption and financial corruption where if you know the right people and you slide a little bit of money, they'll look the other way regardless.
00:21:29
Mothers of all Crime
hmm.
Raising Awareness on Human Trafficking
00:21:37
Krystal
So there's probably that factor as well.
00:21:42
Krystal
Hypothetically.
00:21:43
Mothers of all Crime
Yeah, no, I agree. I agree. It's a sad one.
00:21:46
Krystal
ah that That's an awful one. Well, I'm glad you brought this one.
00:21:49
Mothers of all Crime
I know.
00:21:52
Krystal
i liked the recognition of it. I think it's important considering it's not out as much. So I'm glad you picked this one for this week.
00:22:02
Mothers of all Crime
Thank you. Thank you. Someone really wise suggested it to me. um I feel like it's it's topical. It's about women. It's about motherhood, but it's not.
00:22:12
Mothers of all Crime
And it's definitely about crimes. But the women are the victims in this situation.
00:22:14
Krystal
Yeah.
00:22:17
Mothers of all Crime
And I think it's important to talk about exploitation when you can.
00:22:23
Krystal
Absolutely. And very unique, a very unique story that I've never heard anything like it, at least not to date.
00:22:27
Mothers of all Crime
I hope so. I hope so. i It makes me wonder how much this happens.
00:22:35
Krystal
Oh, it, I think it's definitely getting, public's starting to be more aware of what's going on in the underbelly of the world. And this is a good example.
00:22:46
Mothers of all Crime
Well, I think that's what I had for that.
00:22:48
Krystal
ah Well,
00:22:48
Mothers of all Crime
Final thoughts?
Final Thoughts on Trafficking Case
00:22:51
Krystal
i I'm kind of at a loss for words. It's just a crazy one that feels like it should be on like Law & Order SVU and not real. But it is
00:23:00
Mothers of all Crime
Yeah. Well, you know, they steal everything from the headlines anyway for that show.
00:23:05
Krystal
That is true. All right.
00:23:07
Mothers of all Crime
this is
00:23:08
Krystal
Well, thank you for this topic. Do you have final thoughts?
00:23:14
Mothers of all Crime
I don't think so.
00:23:16
Krystal
All right. Well, on to our next one and look forward to talking to you next one.
00:23:23
Mothers of all Crime
Absolutely.