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Episode 110: Talking "The Amazing Spider-Man" with the one and only International Spider-Man
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The boys review “The Amazing Spider-Man” franchise with the one and only International Spider-Man! We had an absolute blast. The boys laughed and argued all the way to the end, Tommy might have even cried. We hope you all enjoy the episode and we will see you next week!
Lastly, thanks to our editor of the show Colin Gallagher for making this show happen!
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Transcript
Introduction and Guest Arrival
00:00:01
Speaker
Welcome back everyone to episode 110 of the Popcorn Podcast. I'm Tommy. Of course, Ryan is here with me. And our guest this week is in my opinion, N. Ryan's the best Spider-Man variant there is.
Jeremy De Roma: TikTok Fame and Film Projects
00:00:13
Speaker
He has over 2.6 million followers on TikTok, 64,000 on Instagram, and in pre-production for his first film as the iconic web slinger. We wanted to thank Jeremy De Romo and welcome to the show, brother.
00:00:25
Speaker
Thank you guys for having me. What's up, everyone? This is going to be my first time on their podcast. And as you heard, we're talking about the amazing Spider-Man. I'm really excited. And you also heard my name. My name is Jeremy DiRoma. I'm from California. And most people know me as the International Spider-Man.
00:00:43
Speaker
And yeah, I mean, you're extremely well-known on TikTok, millions of followers, use some of the best Spider-Man content out there, and just following you from on Instagram, getting to meet you at the Spider-Man Lotus premiere, which was a pretty cool experience for everyone, I think. And yeah, reading into your short film, or fan film, I'm sorry, as Spider-Man got me really excited since it does dive into the mental health and suicide prevention, as we had just wrapped our first short film, which follows in those same discussions.
00:01:15
Speaker
Got it. Got it. Wow. That's really good
Pre-Production Challenges and Mental Health Themes
00:01:20
Speaker
to hear. Yeah, my film, there's a lot going on right now in my own life where we've actually had to delay pre-production, unfortunately. And as we get into the holidays, like every year, holidays just go by like that. We're looking to get into pre-production officially early next year. Yeah. So I'm excited for that too.
00:01:45
Speaker
Yeah, and I think something really cool that you're going to be doing with this one is taking the story as Ned Leeds as Spider-Man and not going the traditional route which most people follow, which is Peter as Spider-Man. Got it, yeah. With that, there have been a lot of people asking how it's going to be.
00:02:05
Speaker
I've formed this in every single aspect of it very intentionally. So I'm going to be really excited to actually talk about it. So I'll talk about it as much as I can on here. But every single part of this version of Ned Leeds is going to have personality for specific reasons, and it comes from his origin story. And I'm saying it on here for the first time. We are going to have an origin story, and we're going to have our own original origin story as well.
00:02:34
Speaker
For those of you that don't know, my movie is going to be a Spider-Man movie, but it's going to be a mental health movie first. And for those of you that have been following along but don't quite know, this storyline is inspired by my own personal story. As many of you, I've loved Spider-Man since I was a kid, but a lot of times,
00:02:58
Speaker
People that dress up as Spider-Man, especially on the Hollywood Walk of Fame or whatever, can ruin that illusion for kids, especially if they're trying to just ask for tips and whatnot. But four-year-old me knew that if anyone can do it, anyone will believe it.
Jeremy's TikTok Journey and Spider-Man Persona
00:03:17
Speaker
And yeah, I had the chance to do that going into TikTok 2019. Really didn't expect it to turn into any of this. I don't know if you guys know, but I
00:03:28
Speaker
I hid my face for four years. And yeah, I stayed in character, hid my face for four years. And because I care about that accuracy, my whole idea was I wanted you to feel like you can follow Spider-Man on social media in real life, not a cosplayer. So I really didn't associate with the whole cosplay community until pretty much after my face reveal.
00:03:53
Speaker
which is very interesting. It's a different story though, but I blew up mainly because the accuracy and then it took, so it took me two years to hit a million, but it took me four more months to hit 2 million because I guess because of that accuracy, I changed my voice to sound like Tom Holland, Spider-Man. I walked, ran, stood like him. Unintentionally, half my audience was convinced that I was Tom Holland doing this for fun.
00:04:19
Speaker
Yeah, so you know, it's been a journey, but this movie will be inspired by my own struggles with suicide. And yeah, it's not only time that I talk about it, but for my own reasons, this movie will be the art piece in basically
00:04:40
Speaker
the book will be closed on this part of my life and I don't have to be attached to it, you know? I'll be able to detach from it a little bit and move on to the next step in my life and if we ever want to refer back to it, that'll be it. I don't need to reiterate it talking about it all over again. And also to help people that are currently going through it, of course.
00:05:06
Speaker
Of course. Dude, that, I mean, it's amazing. Your content is incredible, the accuracy. I saw your, recently you had the video of you standing like Tom Hahn and kind of making fun of his stance. And I think it's such a
Film Themes and Spider-Man's Friends
00:05:19
Speaker
funny video because he does have that strict posture that he has. So it is so funny that you followed this for so long that it kind of became like part of you to be Spider-Man because you weren't showing your face. You had to act just like him. So I think it's just such a crazy,
00:05:34
Speaker
amazing form of art and filming that most cosplayers don't ever go that level because you weren't really cosplaying, you were more living it. Yeah, I think it's great. I believe it's called method acting. Yeah, in a way method acting. But yeah, with you talking about the going into suicide prevention, all that, that kind of
00:05:59
Speaker
Going back to what we were making my me and Ryan short film was about an actual day had in my life where I kind of was making choice after choice after choice if like am I going to go take my own life like is this what I want to do. So I kind of use that as you're saying is like closing a chapter because it lets you.
00:06:21
Speaker
Therapeutically be able to relive those moments, but at the same time know that you're past that you're able to look back on that and not have go back into that loop that I was going through at least so I think it's amazing that you're doing with the spider-man character and Bringing it with your own life and mixing with the superhero. So I think it's just incredible Thank you, yeah, like I said, I'm really excited for it and if not anything I hope this film just helps people
00:06:51
Speaker
And I guess I will say this for the first time. So it'll be on your podcast officially. His friends, and I'm not saying who's going to be in it, who's not going to be in it, because I'm excited to officially announce that too. But his group of friends that he has, they will have their own struggles and stories as well. That'll definitely
00:07:15
Speaker
It won't be all focused just on Spider-Man himself. You know, everyone goes through something. Everyone goes through something different. And we've seen a little bit of that from other characters in his life in the past. So yeah, we're going to dip into it a little more than some other iterations have. And we're probably going to have our own original storyline as well.
00:07:37
Speaker
I'm so excited because I've been following the Instagram page for I think I've been following you for about a year now before like anything like even thinking about having you on the show and then I remember I saw you at Lotus and I was like I think that's international spider-man
00:07:53
Speaker
And then you came up and we had met by accident like sugar hound and then you said I was like, oh my god It is international spider-man. I was like, that's it was like a really cool moment for me And I know anyone that's gotten me you're very you're extremely nice and knowing your story and anything like that It's just super impressive. So yeah
00:08:12
Speaker
I really appreciate it, man. I didn't know you were following me for that long. Yeah, all my personal people, they say that. Yeah, it's I mean, and then on TikTok, of course, you have millions of people that watch your stuff daily. It's I mean, it's incredible. Like we think this is like big for us, like people that but you have millions like you. It is an insane number and that you're using it for positivity and not because we know the people on TikTok like to do the thirst traps.
00:08:38
Speaker
Just want people to watch their stuff. There's no actual meaning behind all of it. Don't laugh when I say that. It's just funny because the one TikTok you made with your face in it started off like, I know this looks like another fuckboy post, but I promise it's not. I'm going to review the menu. It's so funny. I do have one little notation. It's funny. I've never said this before publicly too, but
00:09:03
Speaker
It's funny. I have a personal account. Some people know it. It is private now. And if you find it, you find it, whatever. Personal tiktok account. When I first started Spiderman, I started my personal page because I was like, there are... I was very new on tiktok. I was like, there's some things that I can't do.
00:09:26
Speaker
This was before anyone thought I was Tom Holland, just to the whole Spider-Man character. I was like, there's things that I can't do that I shouldn't do. And there's things that I want to test on this page, like trends, sounds, types of styles of videos. It was really just for fun. I literally only had like 12 videos on there. And a friend from that I've known since elementary school, he was like, dude, like,
00:09:50
Speaker
A lot of people are getting back into Asians and anime is a huge thing now. And he was like, if you make a thirst trap, you'll fucking go viral. And I'm like, I don't know, man. I don't know. I don't think I want to do that. I'm good. Thank you. I appreciate the compliment. And he kept bothering me about it. And I'm like, dude, like why? I don't know. But I was like, fine. I budged. And I made like one video.
00:10:17
Speaker
I know I made two for sure, but I don't know how far apart. But yeah, I made one video and I went from 12 followers to 12,000 followers. That's impressive. And it was back. For those of you that are watching that are trying to grow on TikTok really hard, it's...
00:10:33
Speaker
If you look at my TikTok now, I'm barely on it. I'm more on Instagram because the algorithm is just
Tom Holland's Spider-Man and Marvel's Strategy
00:10:38
Speaker
so different now. They stop catering to big creators. Different styles of videos are just not working anymore. I don't even know what to do anymore on TikTok, but it was so easy to grow back then. Again, this was like 2019, 2020.
00:10:50
Speaker
Yeah, I slowly started to get like really uncomfortable comments. So I stopped that. I was just doing it to see what would happen. I mean, you got 12,000 followers, which is pretty insane.
00:11:08
Speaker
Moving away from Jeremy's thirst traps, if anyone wants to go find them, they're probably out there somewhere. We'll repost them on the- I challenge anyone to find them. Yeah, we'll find them. We'll get our research team in a moment. We're calling to cut them in. Yeah, we'll have our editor edit them mixed in with this video. But moving on to our- Interrupt this program.
00:11:30
Speaker
Moving into the topic of this episode, we're here to talk about both the Amazing Spider-Man 1 and the Amazing Spider-Man 2. And before I let anyone talk specifically, Ryan, I just want to say from my perspective, Andrew Garfield is the best Spider-Man. Amazing Spider-Man 2 has some of the best Spider-Man sequences of all time, and I love Amazing Spider-Man 1. They are my favorite Spider-Mans, and I will stick to that till the day I die. Before Ryan gets to answer, I want to hear your thoughts on them, Jeremy.
00:12:00
Speaker
Okay, if you want to hear all my thoughts, this podcast will be five hours long, so let's not do that. I will give bits and pieces here and there, starting off with everyone watching, everyone that even talks about Spider-Man, especially because of how social media and how people are conditioned in this generation to think that they're so entitled or to think that whatever they say will always be right.
00:12:27
Speaker
And a lot of people are quick to jump to initial reaction. And people are communicating less and less effectively nowadays. And I realize anywhere, again, mostly on social media, if people ask the big question, who is the best Spider-Man? And again, I'm only talking about Toby Andrew and Tom, cinematic-wise. You see that a lot. But people answer different questions
00:12:55
Speaker
different versions of the question. People will answer who the best Spider-Man is, who the best Peter Parker is, who the best actor is, who is most comic accurate when most people that I see haven't read all the comics and
00:13:12
Speaker
I haven't read all the comics. I honestly wasn't even huge on comics growing up. I have some, but I never was like a collector. But even then, because so I can't speak for comic accuracy on every little aspect. But even if I didn't,
00:13:30
Speaker
There's a version of him now, then, in the future. He's a person. Yeah, he's a character, but he's been in high school. He's been in college. He's been older. People change. So people will answer different versions of the questions. And as for the Amazing Spider-Man series, they'll say how good it is, but they'll answer how it is cinematically, story-wise.
00:13:59
Speaker
Character-wise, action-wise, a lot of people are like, oh, if it entertains me by action, that's all I care about. I care about the substance. You could have a Spider-Man movie with no action, and if it's good, it'll be damn good, you know? So yeah, that's my initial thoughts on that question. I wanted to address that because I've never actually seen anyone say it that way, so.
00:14:25
Speaker
For anyone watching, maybe that's something to think about. Maybe how you ask the question, how you ask someone specific that question, or how you answer that question. Because now that I think about it, before I thought about it that way, I would answer the question in my own opinion, who I think is the best and only one surface level aspect. And as I've gotten to think about it more and more in this way,
00:14:53
Speaker
I have two parts. My first answer is that overall, they're all the best in their own aspects. Like they really are. And I'm sure a lot of people can agree with that. And as for people that really hate Tom for certain reasons, we'll get into that later. If you really think about it, you can see what Marvel is doing. Marvel has their own
00:15:18
Speaker
They had their own thing with Tony and Cap for 10 years. They had that arc. They both had a character arc. And now that they're gone, Spider-Man is...
00:15:29
Speaker
huge and they wanted to do it younger this time because they've had Spider-Man at the same age the past two times. If you really think about it, I've seen a contract that I probably shouldn't have seen before. I don't even know if I should be saying it. I don't think I can get in trouble. I'm not associated with them.
00:15:49
Speaker
I saw a contract that they wanted this was back during the homecoming era they wanted tom for three trilogies three in high school three in college and three as an adult and if i stand corrected we've had his trilogy in high school and i mean yes we're on the third movie but they specifically called it a trilogy themselves toms and deja all of them as they've said this is an end of an era they didn't say why and like i know it it's also because
00:16:17
Speaker
No one really knows who Spider-Man is now, but they're treating it as a trilogy. And I think I've seen Amy Pascal talk about it at the premiere, that they're looking forward to the next trilogy. I don't know if that's her confirming it, but to me it is. And I'm really excited about that. So with that said, with Tom's version being so young and irresponsible, and you know, a lot of people have come to realize just recently that, oh my God, these three movies were just an origin story.
00:16:45
Speaker
I like that because life doesn't move as fast as movies in general. So I liked that they took the time. I liked that they started him younger for the same reason they started the way they did with Iron Man and Cap is because if you start him off way down here as an irresponsible childish kid, he has so much room for growth and mistakes and to become the underdog and to end out triumphantly, you know?
00:17:16
Speaker
Now that I think about it, you know, maybe he will be the best Spider-Man to everyone eventually. Yeah, because I'm really excited. That's a take. I like it though. Coming out swinging.
00:17:29
Speaker
But yeah, no, I mean, there is all the different ways that we've looked at who's the best, because there's always that argument. I feel like probably the most common thought process is that a lot of people like to saying Toby's the best Peter, Andrew's the best Spider-Man, and Tom's good at both. And that makes him the best. Yeah. So I know everyone has that opinion on it. And I just know I love all of them. I didn't love Tom Holland till the newest one. So I was one of the haters. And I'm sorry, Tom Holland. I take everything back, I said.
00:17:58
Speaker
because you're great. And I love all of them. It's just, I don't know. Ryan and me talked about this earlier. And I think I've said it a hundred times. I just think I have like a deeper emotional connection to Andrew than I do the other ones. So I think I'll always hold Andrew in a special place and crying at no way homeless.
00:18:18
Speaker
Uh, we'll get into that later too. So yeah, I mean, before we get into anything else, um, yeah, I hear that a lot. I'm sure everyone else hears that a lot. You know, Toby's the best Peter, Andrew's the best Spider-Man, Tom's the best at both. Um, and that's also subjective, but pretty common from what I hear. Um, yeah, but as you were saying with you being like a kind of a Tom Hader, unfortunately, um,
00:18:49
Speaker
Do you want to get into that part now or is that a specific portion for later? We can hop into that now. I know all the Tom Holland stans will be in our comments. So I want everyone to understand I love Tom Holland as Spider-Man. It took me a long time. I just had my own subjective idea of what Spider-Man is and who is Spider-Man.
00:19:12
Speaker
And it just took me a little bit. I loved Homecoming. I always loved that movie. I just had my own thoughts and they were all... I took back everything after No Way Home. I do love Tom. Got it. Okay. I mean, yeah, this is your podcast. I don't know. I knew... I'm sure you guys knew or planned that we were going to talk about All Three. I don't know if you had a certain plan for that or if you wanted to go in order. I don't know. Our podcast kind of just...
00:19:36
Speaker
Yeah. Everywhere. We kind of mix in whatever we want to talk about. As much shit as you want. Yeah, if you want to call a sound something, be like, you're wrong. That's fine. That's what me and Ryan do for the last 110 episodes. Cool. All right. Yeah. So from what I hear about Toby and Andrew, Tom, kind of with what you said, I thought about that too and formed my own opinion on that way of saying it to me.
Reflecting on Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man
00:20:06
Speaker
Because for those of you watching, I'm 23, so I grew up with Toby. There's a lot of people that are my age. Unfortunately, I have a friend that didn't even know there was a Spider-Man movie until Tom Holland. Oh boy, that is rough. I felt kind of offended, and she has a little brother, so I'm like, how did that not ever come up?
00:20:26
Speaker
I watched the Spider-Man movies as they came out. I remember being four years old and going to the theater watching Spider-Man 2. I remember getting a gold heart pin for like charity or whatever. I think I still have it somewhere too. I remember that. Clearly, I don't remember the first one. It was 2002 for God's sakes. But yeah, I watched them. I grew up with Toby. Those movies mean everything to me.
00:20:54
Speaker
And I think of it in every aspect, and I watch them now, they age like fine wine. There are some certain aspects to where we can get into that later. Spider-Man 3, some things don't age well, but for reasons. The movies itself, the tone, the writing, the intention, all of it, the emotion, all of it ages so well. I will watch that, those movies over and over, and it ages well. And there's one aspect from
00:21:24
Speaker
that trilogy that did stick with me is that, unfortunately, Toby's acting, in my opinion, was kind of blend. But it worked at the time. To me, it didn't age too well, but it's not the worst thing still. But if you think about it in their world, a nerd back then in the early 2000s could be exactly that.
00:21:54
Speaker
So, you know, a lot of people now judge those versions of Spider-Man way too harshly, in my opinion. Again, it's subjective, so I get it, but I think it's way too harsh nowadays. And a lot of people don't realize, too, that Tobey Maguire's movies, when they came out, I respect mostly the first one, kind of was nostalgic for the fan base at that time.
00:22:18
Speaker
Because if you look at the time period, it's in modern time, but everything in that movie is kind of still from the 90s. So I don't know if they did that on purpose or I don't know, but you know, I think these movies are also made for its time period. People need to remember that too.
00:22:38
Speaker
And Jews was especially the Oscorp part was a little futuristic, in my opinion, but you know, it's a superhero movie, whatever. And, you know, if you were to be a nerd in 2012, just because you skateboarded, you weren't cool. That doesn't mean anything. I
00:22:59
Speaker
I wasn't deemed as a nerd back then, but I thought I was nerdy. You know, I was into superheroes and stuff. Um, I wasn't the, the, the nerd that Peter Parker is, I wasn't all about school and whatnot, but yeah, there was a lot of people that I knew at my school that were deemed as nerds and they skateboarded to school. So, um, and that.
00:23:25
Speaker
version of Peter Parker with him skateboarding was also kind of just from Andrew Garfield being a skateboarder and he brought that in. So I think that's really cool too, because it brings some originality to the character. Okay, as for Tom's part, oh, when I saw
00:23:48
Speaker
Actually, there's 1 more part from going to Toby and then replanting to reboot to Andrew came out what? 2007 890 announced at 2009 I think and for those of you that don't realize YouTube started in like, 2008 so.
00:24:05
Speaker
media wasn't a huge thing back then and especially for even for the older kids like we not all of us had phones smartphones or whatever you know i just remember my uncle he was like oh you want to see they released pictures of the new spider-man movie i was like no way like i want to see where spider-man 4 is going and then he shows me andrew with him remember that
00:24:28
Speaker
where he figures out he has powers on the train and then he runs home in the middle of the street at night. Yeah. The teaser was him on that same street, but damaged in his suit from Oscorp. You've probably seen that picture, but yeah, that was the teaser that it showed. And I was like, what is this? My eight and nine year old self didn't realize what a reboot was, you know? And it's not like they,
00:24:56
Speaker
inherently or purposely planned for Spider-Man 3 to be the last movie. So it took me some time to get used to it. When I first saw The Amazing Spider-Man, it was actually my grandma that brought me to the theater. I lived right across from a movie theater before, so I grew up watching a lot of movies. She brought me, just me and her, and that last swinging scene when he
00:25:19
Speaker
It's webs at the camera, and then the music just, you know, blares triumphantly for the credits. I was in awe, I was in shock. And as much as I miss Toby's that, oof, and that, it hit me. And then throughout the years, I realized like, Amazing Spider-Man 1 was kinda, some things were weird in my opinion, and I'm sure to the creators too, because going into Amazing Spider-Man 2, a lot of things were changed.
Amazing Spider-Man Series: Changes and Challenges
00:25:48
Speaker
the music was drastically changed. There's as much as I love the first Amazing Spider-Man music, the score, some parts seem a little too, a little, not dark per se, but I could see where they were leaning in into the the creepiness of a spider aspect and it's great. But it was probably time for him to grow up and officially become that
00:26:13
Speaker
Spider-Man instead of him building himself into it. So the music is different in the second one. His style is a bit different. Obviously the suit is different. And yeah, it took me some time to get used to Amazing Spider-Man 1, Amazing Spider-Man 2 when I first saw it. I remember I was, I went with my three friends and my mom and this was in the 4DX seats before anyone had them. It was called the Deepox at the time. Literally no theaters had it. So we watched the movie Seats.
00:26:42
Speaker
And when that scene with Gwen, like this was the first movie that I cried in, not only in theater, but I think the first movie that I've cried in. And with how stressful that scene was, especially building up to it, I remember like getting a headache from the stress by the end of the movie. And, you know, 2014, that was 14 back then. So the movie seemed perfect to me.
00:27:13
Speaker
But yeah, I see now especially yeah, I see as a filmmaker where like a lot of things are messy. I still agree with that. And for those of you that don't know the production side of these movies, a lot of things don't happen the way they originally planned to. Things are changed on the spot. It's not always up to the director.
00:27:41
Speaker
And Avi Arad, which sure you guys know about being the producer of Sony, has messed up a lot of Spider-Man 3. And he literally did the same thing with Amazing Spider-Man 2, which I don't, I thought you would have learned by then, but I think
00:28:01
Speaker
I don't know him, I don't know exactly how they all did it, I don't know how much control he had, but it seems like that he thought it would work, so because it's different this time, they could make it work. It was, I think it was worse in my opinion this time. And you know, the same thing with Spider-Man 3. I know that Sam Raimi amazingly did the first one, and the second one kicked the first one's ass.
00:28:29
Speaker
Perfect. And for those of you that don't know, Sam Raimi, the director, didn't really know Venom as a character, so he didn't really want to do it. Avi Arad pushed that on him, and I don't really know how or who decided to do the New Goblin, but that was cool in my opinion. It was original. I like the New Goblin. Yeah. But yeah, the whole Venom thing is like probably people's main issue. Because the Sandman thing, I think, I don't really, I haven't heard complaints about Sandman. They did really well too.
00:28:58
Speaker
Yeah, and for me to care about the more emotional and substantive movies, because a lot of people don't realize the Spider-Man story, it is a drama. It's about him, like Spider-Man 2, not being able to catch a break. So the Sandman part when they ended his last scene talking about forgiveness, that's deep, you know.
00:29:25
Speaker
Yeah, they ruined Spider-Man 3, of course, the Amazing Spider-Man 2 with that. But then, like I said, going into Toms, when I first heard about the reboot, when they announced it, when they first announced it, everyone was going crazy, like, oh my god, he's gonna show up in Civil War, you know? We were all getting excited about that. My best friend at the time kind of looked like him, and a lot of people were kind of poking at him that he looks like him. He doesn't really, but...
00:29:49
Speaker
He has a resemblance. So I was 15 at the time. I was aware of what a reboot was. I was devastated that it wasn't Andrew. But I was excited because it really seemed to be super hyped up. And I was like, oh my god, it's this young kid that looks like he's my age. They're probably going to put him as a freshman or sophomore in high school, which they did. But as for my thoughts on Tom Holland's movies,
00:30:19
Speaker
When I first saw Homecoming in theater, in the theater, right when it cut to the credits, I was like, holy crap. This is the best and most fun Spider-Man movie ever. Of course, first time experience. As we got into Far From Home, and not quite yet no way home, I formed stronger opinions that
00:30:45
Speaker
He was extremely responsible in that I can't look up to this version, so it made me like him less. And, you know, he it's not like he tried. I guess they referenced Uncle Ben. So I would think that he would have some sense of responsibility or guilt. Right. But I don't know, because they didn't talk about Uncle Ben, didn't talk about exactly what happened. I hope they talk about it more in the future.
00:31:11
Speaker
But yeah, I couldn't really like him anymore. I couldn't look up to him because that's, that's a Spider-Man. I want someone that Spider-Man that I can look up to, not just be entertained by. And then as we went into far from home, it was a fun summer flake, but that's like one of my least favorite Spider-Man movies in my opinion. Yeah. Far from home. Like for that movie to have a scene where he's like, look at the baby mountain goats and everyone just like,
00:31:39
Speaker
Thank you. I do not like that movie. Everyone falls for it. Everyone just falls for it. I'd like it. I don't even know if I just cringe or I don't know. I can't explain it. I just I really I don't like it. No. My main issue is I don't know if I'm in the this is a hot tea. I don't think it is. I hated that they tried to act dumb with the whole Mysterio thing.
00:32:08
Speaker
yeah that really bothered me and i was like anyone who's ever read a comic book knows mysterious is not good there's not a single person who's a comic book reader that's going into that thinking oh this is new like superhero no yeah i don't know i don't like the movie i've never liked the movie and i i stand by it
00:32:26
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, again, it was a fun summer flick. I'll give it that. And if for anyone out there that has arguments, throw it in the comments. I want to see like, I'm not someone that wants to argue just argue. I want to debate to see if we can come to a better conclusion. And if it gets intense, cool. I just don't want anyone to take it personally. But I like I want someone to change my mind that that's a really good movie.
00:32:51
Speaker
you know, if they want to. And it's John Watt's writing that's kind of, you know, Ferris Bueller and Breakfast Club type of vibe. And I get it for the high school aspect. But in my own personal opinion, Spider-Man is still a drama story. I don't think it should be that. But the fact that they're really focused on originality here and making a trilogy into one origin story. And then the contract that I saw in my theory of like, you know, him growing and becoming the best Spider-Man
00:33:22
Speaker
to everyone later on, I laid off a bit. So I trust in Marvel not doing what they did again. As we can see, Sony's trying to do their thing again. Avi Arad, I don't know what he's doing. That's a different conversation. But now that Sony and Marvel are like sharing Spider-Man, I know they're not going to mess this up this time. I mean, good. I doubt it. I highly doubt it. We hope they don't mess this up. I hope, yeah.
00:33:51
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is a poison
00:34:10
Speaker
probably five years like from beginning to end no cutting around because I probably cut around twice or three times a year but uh it definitely didn't hold up as well as I had been telling people for years that it's a top five spider-man movie but that with that being said it has some of the best sequences scenes ever in a story movie just the movie in a whole avia rod
00:34:36
Speaker
It's Andrew set forward and said stuff about it We know Mark Webb has had his very outspoken about it William Spencer who we had on the show even had his thoughts about everything So I I don't trust the guy I don't I don't like what he does with the super with the spider-man characters venom to is that's a whole conversation that's a whole podcast and it's a whole other podcast to do but No, I love Andrew. I think he's the him and Emma soon are the saving grace of that franchise
00:35:04
Speaker
Without them, there is nothing in their franchise. I'm sorry, Sally Fields, the love of my life. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's another thing that people don't commonly talk about. Sally Fields is Aunt May, man. She was like, I thought the first Aunt May was good. I'm sorry to Rosemary Harris, but like, wow. Like,
00:35:31
Speaker
Amazing. I love Sally. I love her so much. I'm surprised though. I'm surprised that you, you know, loving the amazing Spider-Man series so much and Andrew being your favorite Spider-Man that it's been this long since you've watched it. I'm surprised.
00:35:48
Speaker
I think it's because I know deep down it's not as good as I was telling people and I was like, just watch the scenes. I love. But I'm OK. Don't get me wrong. It's still a lot higher on a score board than most people would ever put it at. It's just OK. I'm I'm only I'm 22. So I grew up with Toby, of course. And I've told this on the podcast. My grandma bought me Spider-Man three while she pirated it off some guy in Philly.
00:36:13
Speaker
And when she gave it to me, we put it in, it didn't even release yet. It was like a week out in theaters. And it was all in Spanish. But it was like really poorly in Spanish. And it was horrible. And then that put a sour taste in my mouth. Solid, hated as a kid. I didn't even like it when I was little. And to this day, I don't like the movie. I don't think.
00:36:40
Speaker
It continues the story that the first two did so well. I think it's like a... I mean, it's like falling off a cliff drop-off for me. Yeah. So I hold that movie with deep distaste and then Andrew got announced. I was like, oh, okay, something new. And then my poster, the greatest poster of all time. Dude, I love that poster. That's so cool. It is so cool. And I remember... That was my wallpaper on my old ass HTC Android in 2012.
00:37:11
Speaker
And I just remember being so unbelievably excited. And I was like, okay, this is my Spider-Man now. And the first one I went and saw, and I think it's one of the few times since, like besides being a little kid that my mom and dad took me to see a movie. Once I got like a little older. And I walked out, I was like, that's the greatest Spider-Man movie of all time. There's no beating it. And I was like, amazing Spider-Man 1. And then I saw the second one and cried for two hours, going to Stacy.
00:37:36
Speaker
And I still cry every time I watch the scene, except for today. I didn't cry for the first time, I think, ever. It's true. I probably should have watched the first and second one yesterday, or today, before the podcast. It was a- it was a- Marinate a little bit. I was- I was sitting, I was like, oh god, don't cry, don't cry, don't cry. But I- I still think the movie, as much as there's some scenes that are just so poorly written, but they- I know Avi, or however- stupid Avi. Wait, sorry, are we talking about Spider-Man 3 still? Oh no, Tasm 2 I was going into. Oh, okay, Tasm 2, okay.
00:38:05
Speaker
As much as I love this movie and I think the suit, no one will ever beat that suit. There's just some scenes that are so bad and the writing is so poor and it's because they went and rewrote the entire script like a month before production started. They went back and redid everything. Andrew Garfield said the first script for Tasm 2 was the best thing he's read. Right.
00:38:27
Speaker
And it turned out to be something that he – I forgot exactly what he said, but he was disconnected from. He didn't love it. He said multiple times. He's like so much stuff had changed from what we worked on because he didn't get writing credits, but he had worked on the rewrites the first time when Mark Webb was just writing it. And he was like, I felt personal to me.
00:38:49
Speaker
The Gwen thing was hit. They weren't going to do Gwen. Then they were doing it, then they weren't, then they were, then they weren't. And he just said, like, eventually it lost, like, the fire and, like, the love for it. And he's like, it just became something completely different than what I ever wanted to make. More commercialized. For those of you that are watching that have probably never heard this before about the Amazing Spider-Man 2, after I say this, go rewatch it with what I said in mind.
00:39:17
Speaker
I noticed, especially as a filmmaker, what scenes are marked with and what scenes are clearly aviarand. So if you haven't realized, go back and watch it and you'll see. And that might make you like the movie more. It might make you understand why the movie is the way it is, why it failed, why people love it so much, why people hate it so much.
00:39:43
Speaker
Ryan, how about you? What are your thoughts on the Tasm universe? Oh god, that's never a good sign to start with. Good movie. Wait, wait, wait. I'm sorry. Hold on. Sorry to interrupt you. Here's what I'm gonna do. Oh. Go ahead, Ryan. Oh, god. He has five, asshole. Goddammit. Both of you have one. I can't get one. Alright, the amazing Spider-Man movies. Where do I begin?
00:40:13
Speaker
So how about how about begin at the beginning? Yeah, I have never nor probably will I ever care about Peter Parker's parents. I just got to say it now It is what it is. They try to make it a thing in this movie
00:40:26
Speaker
tried to, Avi Arad tried to in the second one, which was god-awful. But in the first one, we get, you know, the scene in the beginning where they have to leave, and I just, I just never cared. It was never, never important to me that Peter Parker's parents even existed in the first place. He has this wonderful aunt and uncle who, half of which are terribly ripped away from him,
00:40:48
Speaker
And that's Peter Parker's story. I never cared about his parents or any sort of plot he had with the Osborns. It just never interested me, and it still doesn't in these movies. But the Osborn storyline is in Toby's? Yeah, no. No, his parents. No, he said not the parents involved with the Osborn. He worked with his dad. I mean, I like that. But now that he says that, I kind of agree with him. Not that I don't care, because I'm always interested. Because that was one thing from Toby's that I was like,
00:41:18
Speaker
They never mentioned his parents. They don't have to make it a whole thing, but they never mention it. So, Ryan, maybe if they did that, if they mentioned it, you know, if it was part of the first movie, but never its own story, do you think that would have been okay? Or you really don't want the parents to be in it at all? I mean, they have mentioned it in like the comics and stuff. And I'm not a huge comic reader. I'll just say that. I'm not gonna lie and say I've read all of it.
00:41:43
Speaker
Yeah, I still think it just doesn't matter because it's more important his relationship with Aunt May and Uncle Ben. It's never been in the relationship with his parents. And especially if the parents are only going to be in a little bit, then it's just wasting time at that point. Yeah, go ahead. So I was telling you today, so the original plan, you can find anyone who wants to. You can find snippets of the original script online.
00:42:09
Speaker
A lot of the writers who have worked on it have came out and talked about it. The original plan was the opening scene that everyone dislikes. I even dislike, I don't like the parents on the plane. I think it's kind of pointless to the story. It should have opened with his suit and him falling out of the sky. Which I don't know, I assume he jumped from a really high building. Because he's just starting, he's falling. Which I love. But... I've been seeing a lot of that recently. Like, I feel like that's something that should be like...
00:42:36
Speaker
Just accept it, not just accept it, but just enjoy it for what it is, the fact that he is falling and they had to do it a little higher because it comes from the spider and then into him skydiving, falling. If we did that sequence transitioning into his back spider lower to the ground,
00:42:55
Speaker
it wouldn't have been as cool like i feel like even they weren't like oh we're having him jump off a building jump off a helicopter like nothing like that's yeah that's that's not something that's
00:43:07
Speaker
should be focused on or no it doesn't no i i don't like it yeah but the original yeah i i was as i was saying uh the original script so a lot of people if you haven't seen the scene i'm talking about please go and watch it so there's the plane scene not very good very pointless of the story there's a deleted scene of peter meeting his dad in a graveyard
00:43:30
Speaker
is one of those whole active scenes. In a superhero scene, the whole time, that was the original script. He was supposed to see him at the end. There was supposed to be nothing. The train stuff was supposed to happen, which I know Ryan has his own thoughts on. And that was supposed to be the end of the movie and setting up another movie. There was not supposed to be a plane originally. There was not going to be anything about the parents' death. If they died, no one knew. And the dad was supposed to show up.
00:43:55
Speaker
They cut the scene. I was very sad because I've acted out that scene in my basement doing laundry a hundred times. And I still love it. And I think it should be in the movie. And everyone, if you haven't seen it, please go watch it. It's the deleted scene, Taz and 2 Graveyard. It's amazing. It fits the moment. And yeah. Have you seen it, Ryan? I'm assuming I have. I have. Pretty good scene. What do you think about that scene? Not compared to the movie or just the scene itself?
00:44:23
Speaker
Yeah, I think just like straight up as a scene watching this YouTube video fantastic well acted by both of them It's really really good.
Deleted Scenes and Emotional Depth
00:44:30
Speaker
The only thing is and this is something that I can't complain about because we never saw it Where was it going? Like was it in the next movie? Where is it gonna keep going on and you find out maybe where the mom is? I know that's that's my thing is that like
00:44:43
Speaker
Where was this going? You know, I kind of want to see... Like was he gonna start living with the dead? Yeah, but even that like... Desmond, what's gonna happen? Is he gonna move in with Aunt May? Like what? Now what? I don't know.
00:44:55
Speaker
Yeah, I haven't thought about that, but I mean... Maybe he just goes to see him to let him know he's okay and like... Maybe. He needs someone... Maybe he needs his dad at that moment. He just lost a love in his life. But then that would be like the biggest ex machina ever. His dad shows up for one zine and then his hair... No, I mean he shows up again. Maybe the dad has info about... He create all those suits. Yeah, it could be. Yeah, it could be. That'd be cool, yeah.
00:45:16
Speaker
Yeah, I prefer for anyone else watching i'm interested to see what? Sorry, what go ahead you're the second person of our last Three episodes has had tasm 2 on the background. Yeah, it's true Yeah, and I love it because whenever i'm not talking I just watch the movie. It's so nice Um, but yeah for everyone watching um that has seen that movie and if that scene was in the movie at the end or
00:45:45
Speaker
in a different version of the Amazing Spider-Man 2 if it was done a little better. Where do you guys think that would have gone? Because I never had anyone ask me. Ryan, that was a good thought process to see where it would go after into the Amazing Spider-Man 3. Because yeah, I can't really come up with a solid answer for you, honestly. And they could have done something really cool, but just unfortunately never know.
00:46:10
Speaker
And like you were saying, like you said, you've acted out that scene multiple times in your basement. I've done the same thing, man. Like with just some of my, yeah, it, I sometimes I enact that scene when I'm just really hurting and I'm watching the movie and I feel like I needed to let it out, but I can't like actually yell right now or whatever, or it'll help me get into an emotional part of my character when I'm shooting
00:46:36
Speaker
a clip for TikTok or an audition or anything, but yeah, I've done the same thing too. I also have, I grew up without my dad, so yeah, that hit hard too.
00:46:53
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, anytime, anyone, I feel like you can get that emotional connection to something. If you lost a parent, if you were raised by a single mother, single father, it definitely will hit harder than someone who was raised with both their parents. And I feel like that fits for any kind of movie.
00:47:11
Speaker
Everyone has that moment or that movie that they can watch and be like, this is part of my life. Like, I know what this is going through. And it makes those movies hit harder. And I think a lot of time increase, makes your entertainment and how much you like the movie a lot more. I'm not saying that right. I feel like that's it was the dumbest sentence I've ever said. Yeah, no, I think that's your experience and the connection to it. You influence how much you enjoy it. Yeah. And then makes the experience better for you. What was that?
00:47:43
Speaker
Oh, sorry, I don't mean to ever talk over you, but I can hear your voice on Ryan's end first, ironically, and then you, clearly. Oh, we'll just move further. So that, yeah, I'm trying to time it. I don't, I don't know. Yeah. Sometimes we pick up on each other.
00:48:02
Speaker
uh what i'm saying was when we went to film our short film i had the play of really really sad depressed character and i i that's part of my life is over the depression all that i'm a lot happier now
00:48:17
Speaker
But I had to get back into that kind of mindset. So Ryan's idea was to put on the Gwen Stacy death right before we started filming the movie. And he was like, this is how we answer. And it worked. It definitely put me in a sad space. But yeah, that scene has a unbelievable hold on me for just emotions. And it's probably the first movie I cried at.
00:48:41
Speaker
And it's probably the movie I've cried the most at just because I think and I love Emma Stone more than anyone in this world. I love her so much. Their chemistry is just top notch. What do you think about that? Go ahead. Can I ask you a question? So you know the scene in the park when they're talking to each other, just Gwen and Andrew.
00:49:08
Speaker
When they get frozen yogurt and they're walking. Yeah, let me get frozen yogurt What are your thoughts on that scene? Interesting that you ask and I'm wondering why you're asking but We could probably put it in the background without audio but I've actually reenacted that scene on take talk I'll send it to you guys so you could see it as a scene in general not being a spider-man movie as a scene in general and
00:49:34
Speaker
It's very grounded. It's very sweet. And it is very realistic in my opinion. I've had that interaction with one of my exes actually. And with me having to reenact it just to remake it for TikTok, I felt it. Like the way he would just anxiously pick at his yogurt and take a bite when he's not talking and try to
00:50:02
Speaker
You know, he would tease her a little bit, kind of like with her ground rules. And that's completely realistic, trying to keep up that loving, playful part of you, but also being really anxious, meeting up with your partner again. Yeah, and then...
00:50:21
Speaker
when he kind of slipped with the whole, oh, I know you love that place, you love it. And she was like, that place just opened. And he was like, you told me like, I've gone through that. It's funny, it's realistic. And with his reasoning and the way he said it,
00:50:42
Speaker
I've said that, I've gone through that too. And that was very sweet for him to say that, you know, it's the closest that I can come to being with you and to make sure you're safe. I could see where some people are like, ew, that's stalkerry. But like, come on, like, that's, that was his girlfriend. So yeah, I think the scene is very sweet. And
00:51:06
Speaker
perfect in all those aspects. And then it leads into his Spidey Sense, which I love the sound effect for Andrew's Spidey Sense. Yeah, just his reaction and really gazing confused into the distance. I was ready for some musical build up there. I was excited.
00:51:28
Speaker
And then he starts talking and his freaking shoes are there and his clothes are hanging. I thought that was funny. I think the theater like chuckled a bit in my theater when I first saw that. But yeah, I mean, as for that scene, I don't see anything wrong with it. And if someone wants to ruin that for me, sure.
00:51:48
Speaker
Ryan, you want to give your thoughts on that? Let me pull out my notes. To just agree with you, first off, I think it is a well-acted scene. I think obviously, Amazon and Andrew Garfield were dating at the time. So yeah, they have great chemistry. They were together for six years, but I think that scene just, it never feels super.
00:52:14
Speaker
Maybe it almost feels like too natural to me. It feels almost like Mark Webb took Emma Stone and Andrew Garfield and just said, go to the park and go on a date and just enjoy yourself. And they just had the camera there. Like they're whispering. They're saying the same lines three times over again and just whispering to each other. It's not bad. It's not.
00:52:32
Speaker
But call me cynical, call me heartless. I can't stand watching it. I just want to go to the next scene. Just have a lecture show up again. I just like, I don't know. It's just not for me. If you enjoy those scenes, I have nothing against it. It's just not for me. I think the flirting just takes too long. And yeah, they're both immature high schoolers. You can say that.
00:52:52
Speaker
but I don't know it just always felt so like weird and rom-comy to me it kind of just shifts a little bit I don't know it's just those scenes just never hit for me but it's also to say on like you guys have both been saying how deep of a connection you have to these movies I don't have that I was nine years old I couldn't understand that these two like loved each other
00:53:20
Speaker
Oh yeah, second one came out in 2014. First one came out in 2012. That was 9. I think we're just both cynical because we haven't had girlfriends. I mean, yeah, that's true. We don't have to say it. Shh. But, um... Yeah, no, I see that. It's just never, never hit for me. I don't know. Not bad, okay. We haven't had girlfriends, so he probably... Yeah, for sure. Look at this motherfucker. I hate this guy. It's terrible. Dude, Spider-Man. Spider-Man, we have a podcast. There's a difference. Dude. Oh, God. That was a...
00:53:50
Speaker
That was a first to hear. Talk about you. I'm sure he's told you that before. About that scene? Yes. Okay. This is the first time we ever watched it together. So it was an experience. Oh, okay. Yeah. So there were multiple things there that I picked up. I'm going to start off with the, they're still in high school, so they're probably a little immature. And then I heard him say high school graduates, but same thing. They're the same age, but
00:54:23
Speaker
Andrew and Emma, they weren't immature at all in the second one to me. I mean, for their age, they were definitely more mature because I don't know any 18-year-olds that are like that, honestly. I know a few, emotionally intelligent. He was immature in the first one, of course. But yeah, as for that scene specifically,
00:54:49
Speaker
I don't think the flirting is immature. I don't think the way they act with each other is immature other than the flirting. I don't think it takes too long. If it was faster paced, it would feel like a lot of the MCU movies, unfortunately, were off the top of my head. I can't pick anything from Tom's movies, but there's so many scenes where
00:55:10
Speaker
I get for the comedic aspect, they go fast and back and forth, which is so common in his movies. But if that scene were to pick up a little bit and be a little faster, it would feel too fast. Your emotions don't process that fast. Now that I think about it, to me, I think their reactions, I think everything was timed pretty perfectly. What else did you say?
00:55:38
Speaker
There's no dialogue in that scene either. It's not. It's all unscripted. Yeah, I could tell. There's no script for that scene. That scene was never. Oh, yeah. And you added that as like what he wanted. And I think it works because.
00:55:53
Speaker
As much as I've had one girlfriend that was in grade school, there's still, I still had a girl that I adored for a long time. And after not seeing them for a long time, that's even though theirs probably wasn't as long. It's still, there's like that awkwardness where you want to see if it's still there. Like you want to know if there's still love together. Oh, that seems so heartbreaking.
00:56:16
Speaker
And so I know that conversation. That's a real thing, like where you flirt. But you also know, like, oh, there might still be some fire left. And then she drops the bomb that she's going to England. And that's like you can see it just demoralizes them. Well, that part's fine. I like that part. It's the beginning when they're like walking and whispering to each other. It's just they're walking and talking the wrong way. I was walking people like scissor jog down the street and I just go straight to where I'm going. OK, OK. But that said,
00:56:46
Speaker
put yourself in this situation, you know, you've broken up with your high school sweetheart, the girl that you're actually in love with, clearly. And she calls you after not talking for a while and says, hey, like, I don't want to meet up with you and see you. Would you speedwalk and not talk and not? Like what? I don't know. What would you guys talk about? How would you talk? I don't know. Okay. I mean, that's fair, you know, making good points, like,
00:57:17
Speaker
But I don't know I see points when he's Spider-Man says it's all good now. Yeah, Spider-Man saying it that you just answer my own question. Is it just my narrative? Actually, so that thing where he said where Ryan said that it felt a little bit too natural that that caught me off guard too, because to me, when movies feel the most natural, it hits
Symbolism and Emotional Moments in TASM 2
00:57:39
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harder. I've never had a movie feel too natural for me that bothered me.
00:57:43
Speaker
And the fact that Andrew was the one that wanted to put that in makes me, it makes me really see that, even if I didn't know it, it makes me really see that he was the character. He was really, he cared so much about that character to where he'd be like, not only would he be like, Oh, wait, I want to do this because I feel like he would do this in this scene, but he cares enough to make sure that happened.
00:58:07
Speaker
Again, like I said, I've been in that almost exact situation. So I felt every emotion with how realistic it is. That's why I said the timing is really perfect. I just haven't gone through the whole
00:58:17
Speaker
I think this movie has some of the best chemistry between characters and it has some of the best scenes that hit close to home like the scene with Sally Fields when she's saying you're my boy you're my boy
00:58:39
Speaker
the death scene of Gwen, which I think is the best death scene in movies. I think it's so well done. The fact that Andrew told his girlfriend, he's like, hey, I can't see you for 10 days because I need to film this scene. That shows how dedicated he was to making that feel as real as possible of him losing the woman he loves that he wanted to spend the rest of his life with. And it just I mean, that scene hits. So when he's holding her and he started and he pulls her clothes and like whispers that he can't lose her, too. It starts.
00:59:12
Speaker
So sorry. Yeah. Sorry to interrupt you here, but to quickly go over like all those, the uncle Beth, that scene to Sally fields part. The first thing I want to say is that where she says you're my boy and they're crying and they're really connecting. First of all, yeah, that hit really hard. I'd say equivalently in Tasm one was when she says, take off the damn hood and look at me and
00:59:33
Speaker
She can't sleep. I think those are kind of comparable to each other. And then the Uncle Ben death scene, the way he cried there, that didn't really hit me because I knew it was coming. It's part of it. And then going into the Gwen death scene. That's why I said stop because I was like, shoot, I didn't know we were going into this.
00:59:58
Speaker
The part when he says, cause when they break up, when we just saw it pass, he said, I can't lose you to that. Shoot. I have that tattooed on me. Yeah. Um, yeah, that's for a lot of personal reasons too. But that part where he's crying and he pulls her closer, um,
01:00:20
Speaker
Not only was his crying the most realistic that I've actually seen in a movie, with him hyperventilating almost, not only did I feel that, that made me cry because of how realistic it was. I don't know how long it took me to find out, but I rewatch this movie all the time, sometimes with the subtitles on.
01:00:41
Speaker
When he pulls her close and his mouth is right next to her ear, he actually says it. I don't think they did it on purpose, but I think it was done perfectly to where it wasn't meant for everyone to hear. He doesn't say, I can't lose you too. He says, I can't do this without you.
01:01:00
Speaker
I was like, God damn it. Damn it. I'm gonna start crying on the podcast again. Please. God damn it. Do you want views or what, though? Yeah, views. Crying gets us more views, let's do it. No, that, to me, it's the perfect death scene. Every time I watch, besides today, I don't know what, I think it's because I actually tried not to cry. Every time when she... He watches Ryan, and then she goes, Peter, right before the thing moves,
01:01:30
Speaker
I'm like, God, just jump, just throw yourself like the left or right. Please do something. Have a different- The way she says it too is she's like, the way she says it, she's like, she knows, she knows something's about to happen, you know? It's so like, it sounds like she's worrying for him, but also herself at the same time. She's like, Peter, are you okay? But also, Peter, are you gonna catch me? Please, please help. Yeah. And then the hand from the web reaches out.
01:01:57
Speaker
Oh, right, right, right. Aside from the rest of the scene, how do you feel about that? Because I have heard people say, so what the hell? Yeah, no, I hate it. And I laugh every single time. I just think her death is hilarious. No joke. I'm joking. I'm joking. I find it funny. You do cry every time. That's why it's funny. You didn't cry. I didn't laugh. I tried to make you cry. You did. I just went dead silent to let me just sit with it.
01:02:24
Speaker
No, I went dead silent, and I was like, look at the hand, it's reaching out. He really wants to save her this time. Yeah, but no, I think- So how do you feel about the hand? Oh, I'm fine with the hand. I think it's just a little creative thing Mark Webb put in for just a final desperate grass batter. I have no problem with it. I love it. I love the hand. I don't mind. I will say that, yes, it's a creative aspect that he decided to put in there, if it was him.
01:02:54
Speaker
Probably because of how much I care about their connection and my connection, emotional connection to the movie. Being a filmmaker and also that scene specifically with the urgency, I think it's much more than that. I would love to hear Mark Webb talk about that one day, which I don't think we'll ever get, or any of them actually. I think it's a symbolism of
01:03:19
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Everything that he's got reaching like that's what the hand is doing It's reaching out to her a lot of like movies are symbolism for certain things and sometimes they'll put it in your face They'll you know put it in the background. They'll do things like this and Yeah, that's what I think it is. It's it's him reaching out with everything that he's got everything every last part of his being He's putting everything into that everything that he's lost in the past and everything that he's trying not to lose right now and
01:03:49
Speaker
I think that's what that hand represents, literally reaching out to all that. And yeah, that's part of the reason why I got it tattooed. I have an amazing spray man tattoo as well. It does. Well, which one do you have?
01:04:04
Speaker
I have this, I have a spider symbol on my tricep. Oh, that's cool. That's cool. It's my most recent one though. Yeah. Oh, nice. Yeah. I, uh, as much of a Spider-Man fan as I am, I don't think I will ever do the Spider-Man logo, even if Andrew's my favorite, because like they keep changing the logos and who knows how many more Spider-Man there will be, you know, as we grow up. Like I, I don't know.
01:04:33
Speaker
No, I get it. And then I, the tattoo you have, I watched your videos when you got it. I was like, damn it, I wanted that tattoo, but now I don't want to copy someone. That just looks so much worse. Like, now that I had you on the podcast, I can't be like, oh, guys, look at my new tattoo that a guest of mine happened to have. Like right after, like a week after. I mean, there's a lot of people that
01:04:59
Speaker
I wouldn't say too many. There were some people that actually brought up that Taya Miller got the tattoo first, but not only was hers different, I think it was just a web on her wrist.
01:05:10
Speaker
And it was, what I see a lot, is a strand and then a spider hanging from that. That's one thing I also never want to do. A lot of people are saying that I copied her, but not only have I been planning this tattoo for years, I just didn't want to get it until... I'd like to get my tattoos at a certain point in time. I was waiting for a very special moment, and you saw in the video, it was because I got invited to the SpiderVerse premiere. I had just recently gone to a breakup, so I didn't... I went to the premiere alone.
01:05:41
Speaker
that emotional connection, like everything that I've lost in the past that I'm trying not to lose. Yeah, it's a perfect time to get that tattoo. And then online, you probably saw in the video also, for those of you that haven't seen it, you could probably put the clip at the bottom, it says, I can't lose you to because I wanted to make it a little more than a web than just the picture to make it not look like those, you know, temporary tattoos. Someone on TikTok actually at
01:06:09
Speaker
I don't know how young they were. I know they were younger than me, but they were like, oh my God, I wanna get this tattoo also because of you. And as much as I don't want people to have the same exact tattoo as me, I was like, yeah, I mean, I find it better that you told me ahead of time rather than getting it and then being like, look. I was like, yeah. I was like, go ahead, do it. Tag me when you get it so I can see it. There wasn't as good, so I was like,
01:06:38
Speaker
Okay. Selfishly, that makes me feel a little better about myself. You're like, see? That's why I don't copy me. Mine just came out better. They also didn't put a quote, too. So I'm like, okay, that's also different. They literally just did the web stuff. Just the web. Yeah, I am happy that I haven't seen anyone with an identical tattoo of me yet. There's been a call. I have the Deathly Hallows on my bicep. And that one, of course, just people that have it, but I...
01:07:07
Speaker
Thank God for my artist. Shout out to Everlasting Tattoo. He, I sent him a bunch of different clips of it, and he made a personalized version for me. So that was cool, because no one's had an identical to mine. And people were always like, oh, I like how you like, I have the, I have Harry's lightning bolt, I have the wand colored in and white. Like I had, I like that tattoos, everyone can kind of like have the same type of tattoo, but there's always little iterations of difference that you- Your personality to it. Yeah, as a personality. Right.
01:07:37
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Makes total sense. I have another tattoo right here. It actually says be the change you wish to see. This is my mom's handwriting, so I wanted the cursive here to look kind of similar. That's what I did. That's my mom's handwriting on my bicep. My other one. Yeah, I have, I have pole fiction, Star Wars, Spider-Man, Harry Potter, my mom's handwriting.
01:08:02
Speaker
Wow, I'm doing a movie sleeve and then a family stuff on the other. Oh, that's what you're doing. Dude, that's super cool. A movie sleeve. I never thought of that. That's super cool. And the fact that you also have your mom's handwriting. Yeah, it was my most painful tattoo. And I said, I was like, I was like, that's it. I was like, no more on my upper arm hurts so bad. I don't know why my other one didn't hurt at all. It got close to the armpit and the XO on the end was just yeah. The skin is a lot thinner there. And there's like a nerve right there, too, versus a tricep.
01:08:32
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, I know. I love my tattoos. But there was a scene I wanted to bring up from Tasm to my God. Oh, what are your feelings on? First off, we'll start off with probably the most controversial scene between at least me and Ryan is how do you feel about the train sequence with his dad? Because I feel like this is one that not just me and Ryan, a lot of people have very different opinions on how that scene goes.
01:09:02
Speaker
Okay. Um, yeah, you're talking about when he like, does the research and goes in to find the train, right? Um, my first thing that I will say is when he finds a video and the way he reacts and cries to it. Like, that's probably the thing that hit the most in that scene to me. Um, literally the rest of it, I've never had a connection to it. Uh, I think part of me was a bit confused as to where they were going with it.
01:09:31
Speaker
even when I was younger. I never actually thought about it too deeply about it, about that scene specifically, how that I am. Not only am I more confused, but I'm just like, I always just kind of accept that scene because obviously it's in the movie already, I kind of accept it and move on and wait for the parts that are important to me. Yeah. Yeah.
01:09:59
Speaker
I think that's all I would have to say about that. The whole research thing that rose about with him. I mean, the way he found out about it was cool. And the fact that he was so determined to find it, you know, he just threw the calculator out of anger against the wall and picked up what Aunt May said about how to find it. Yeah, I think that's pretty much it. And while he's researching, I mean, this is totally random. It doesn't matter to the movie. I always thought it was hilarious that his search engine was Bing.
01:10:27
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Yeah, it's not Google, it's not Safari, it's not even good, it's big. It's not even Firefox.
01:10:36
Speaker
Yeah. I don't mind it, the train sequence. I think it's cool how he finds it just by dumb luck that he gets so angry about all the Gwen stuff and just shatters the calculator. That's really cool. Thank God. I just said this to him earlier. Thank God it's not loose because if they were just loose in there, I'd be like, how's he not hear that anytime they're like, Oh yeah, I hate when movies do that.
01:11:00
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But yeah, I I don't mind it I think his the whole video with his dad I wish it was not in her cut with Dame the Han being Dame the Han I wish it was just him watching and listening to his decks I figured that scene hits me at least like Hearing him talk his dad again talk to him, especially someone that he thought doesn't actually probably love him He's like he gave up and just he's like he probably did it for a good reason, but he never Right
01:11:26
Speaker
Like, it's literally- But I love that whole sequence, so. I think it's weird, but I like everything that happens once he gets in the train. Yeah, with the whole dad part, yeah. It's literally, I mean, regardless of what type of message it was, for anyone that's lost someone, it's a voicemail that you're finding after all these years. Like, that's already a hard conversation, you know? And then the fact that it's the type of video where he said it's always been about him, it's harder.
01:11:57
Speaker
In the theater, my first experience, when he turned on the video, and it was the exact part from the first Amazing Spider-Man when they were playing hide and seek, I was like, uh-oh, like, am I gonna cry here?
01:12:11
Speaker
Yeah, that's I love that scene the first one I think it's a really good way to put you right into it But then I don't get why we had to do it for the second one. I mean him. Yeah, that's him. We said Instead of showing the parents maybe can do the same thing show them as a young kid but shown with Harry Give us something to that relation. Yeah out of high school and they're like, oh it's been what nine years they said Yeah, he just walks in he's like sorry your dad died, but I gotta go so
01:12:42
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yeah like they definitely didn't build up to that actually my first experience again watching it when he rolled down the window I was like
01:12:50
Speaker
that's our Harry Osborn? What the heck? And I was like, I was like, did they just choose him because he kind of looks like an elf and they're making him a more natural green goblin at the end. That's pretty much all I see other than that. Like, I don't know why they would cast him as Harry Osborn. And like, this version too was super whiny. Like I just he like he was that spoiled brat that never grew up.
01:13:15
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Yeah, it had the idea that it was because of the movie if you see the movie Chronicle JJ Abrams movie where it's like found footage they get powers Oh, yeah, he's kind of playing the same character in that so we had that's the idea we came up with while watching it Oh, no, like that's why they yeah, like somebody saw that he could work for this Harry. That would be good. So and again Everyone who oh No, I was just saying that probably like ads on when they were like, oh he looks like
01:13:44
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the galdon are trying to make, so. Yeah. Yeah. I went and, but yesterday I was trying to do some research, which I rarely do for the show, and I pulled up a couple of the people that were passed on playing Harry Osborn. Sam Clafin was passed on, Eddie Redman was passed on, and Boyd Holbrook was passed on to play Harry Osborn. And Stame, we got Dame DeHaan. Boyd Holbrook, for those who don't know, he plays the bad guy in Wolverine, in Logan. Oh, right. Yeah, that's Boyd Holbrook. Yeah.
01:14:13
Speaker
Yeah, actually I didn't know that Yeah, well, well, I guess I'm assuming they'll put pictures up for you that are watching. I didn't know that Wow So we got I would it at any revenue would've been cool. What would be cool boy Holberg? I don't know if he would have worked for
01:14:27
Speaker
Yeah, he seems, he's usually a little, a little tough. Maybe. I don't mind Dame DeHaan once. Like, in scenes where I think the writing is better, I don't think he's a bad Harry. It's when...
Character Development: Goblin and Electro
01:14:39
Speaker
Like, what scene? Like, I don't mind him as Goblin. Like, once he becomes like, I don't mind the love, I don't mind his voice. I kind of like the natural Goblin. And I like the idea of him trying to heal himself, even though he's been told not to do it.
01:14:53
Speaker
so i i have a i really have a soft spot for it but then there's scenes where he's telling electro he's like i need you we're friends i'm like no yeah like that so i don't know that feels very i mean behind you right now oh god there he is every single one of his scenes i will say is consistent to his character like in this scene he's like
01:15:24
Speaker
right now, Felicia works for me. And by the way, for those of you that didn't catch that, that's Felicia Hardy. I would have loved her as Black Cat. And like, whatever. I'm like, I'm not gonna beat myself up anymore. Don't break your heart over it. We could have got that. Yeah. Her Black Cat with Andrew's running Spiderman. Dude, I will fantasize about that till the day I died. Like that would have been so cool. I mean, we haven't had a Black Cat at all. So cool. Felicity Jones. Yeah.
01:15:46
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I'm not talking to you right now.
01:15:54
Speaker
We had a hint at it, was it Morbius that's in the newspaper? The black cat gets away with it. Yeah. No, if you mention the name Morbius, everything in the rest of that sentence is, doesn't matter. Okay, I will say also, and for those of you watching, I wonder how you're all gonna react to this.
Morbius and Spider-Man Universe Speculations
01:16:11
Speaker
I haven't watched more B.S. yet. Don't don't don't waste your time. Do not. Well, it's like not only as a filmmaker, but like the fact that I do want to consume everything Spider-Man like I know it's bad. There's a part of it. There's two answers. Part of me wants to watch it to see how bad it is because I have a top five worst movies on my list and I want to see if that will replace any of them. And I want to see like it's part of the whole Sony thing.
01:16:36
Speaker
But I will say we have both come. We've both said this publicly and on the podcast. The first first act is actually not bad. That is true. And it just goes. OK. It just no. Yeah, there's no ending. Just it just stops. There's no ending. It just stops. If you're going to watch it, just get I mean.
01:16:56
Speaker
blacked out just really enjoy yourself have like some buddies over just chill out just right barely paid that it okay anyone else excited no no i have no excitement for that but i think it's cool like they casted all of them and then the fact that i don't know if you guys know or anyone else knows that's watching that it takes place in the early 2000s
01:17:18
Speaker
Like that's nostalgic to me. And yeah, like that's, that's super cool. Early 2000s, not only cause I was born in an era, but like just the era itself, early 2000s, it still hits. Unfortunately, I don't think anything in this generation beats early 2000s, especially the music man. Um, but yeah, I think that's really cool. So I'm excited for that. But the fact that it's another Sony thing.
01:17:43
Speaker
I thought I could trust it Sony by itself for the whole Sonyverse thing in the beginning, but yeah. I'm excited for Cydney Sweeney as Spider-Woman. I think the castings are going to be pretty good. I'm just excited to see them. I'm excited for Craven. I'm still holding out hope on that movie. Give me like a 62 overall fun, hard on movie.
01:18:04
Speaker
Yeah, that one I'm probably like 60 40 on that one. Um, cause that like the initial reaction of seeing the trailer was like, holy crap. But also at the end, I was like, wait, are we going with the whole storyline of his dad was the original Craven and he's like, what's happening? I was like, what's happening here? And then I, until I saw the trailer. Really early on. Whatever.
01:18:36
Speaker
But yeah, not only was the confusion there, but as I started to see people talk about their opinions online, I was like, oh, yeah, this, I don't think this is going to be good. Andrew Garfield's coming back, baby. I'm holding out hope. Do you think there's going to be two rhinos now?
01:18:53
Speaker
because the guy is becoming the writer of that movie. Andrew Garfield will be in Venom 3 100%. I hope so. I'd love to see him again, but he's gonna be in it. They're gonna connect it and it's gonna be Andrew. I know. And then Ryan, to what you were saying,
01:19:16
Speaker
I mean, I'm sure all of us know for a fact that Andrew's coming back for those people that don't think so. And I still get those comments. I'm like, how do you, like, you're one of those people that were saying that Toby and Andrew weren't coming back at all, huh? And that part I get, but the fact that you didn't, they're not going to bring such a big part or a big money maker in their eyes.
01:19:35
Speaker
They're not gonna bring them back and satisfy us so much and then never bring them back again Especially since they're building the whole spider-verse thing Those are the same type of people that are saying that miles Morales is not gonna show up in live action They were saying that Toby There they were yeah, they were saying that Toby and Andrew weren't gonna pop up in the across the spider-verse but
01:19:59
Speaker
They did, but not in the way that I thought. But they still did. They showed a live action scene in a cartoon. They did that with Venom too. I'm like, do you guys not see what Sony's doing? They're going to build up miles into live action. And yeah, to what Ryan was saying, the whole Rhino thing. I think they're bringing Andrew back definitely.
01:20:22
Speaker
in an alternate universe or whatever where they're doing their new Sinister Six. I know for a fact, if that happens, they're not even going to mention they're old right now. Yeah, it's going to be... I mean, they mentioned no way home, but this could be a different Andrew. Who knows? Right, yeah. Bring back Emma Stone, too, somehow. Please. Just want to see one more time. Oh, wait. Another thing. It's small. I don't know if you guys have seen it or have caught it.
01:20:47
Speaker
A lot of people haven't. It took me a while to catch it. So you guys know how they were supposed to have Mary Jane in the Amazing Spider-Man 2 also? Yeah. And I'm sure you've seen like some of the video clips and some of the pictures as well. Especially that scene where she meets Gwen. I wish I saw that. She actually made the final cut. Do you guys know that? No. Really? Didn't know that, huh? Yeah. A lot of people say after all of you that are watching, here's where she comes up. When...
01:21:17
Speaker
When Peter is rewatching Gwen's speech, which is rewarded differently and it really bothered me, but that's not the point. And then the music swells up and it shows the rhino coming out of the bank. And I thought that was also a little cliche. Like, what? You're a huge villain. But you're just going to steal cash. The money looks really odd. Yeah. And they're also in that area. I like the robot. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
01:21:46
Speaker
Right. But yeah, right after that shot, I think right after the it's when he throws a car. And we're our point of view is inside the coffee shop seeing the car land on another one and people like gas. She's right there behind the counter. Like you could clearly see the ponytail and the apron that she's wearing, but we don't see her face.
01:22:07
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Yeah, that's her and I know that it's that scene because I've seen the behind-the-scenes pictures of her exiting that door so Meet Peter I am I am happy they didn't do it
01:22:24
Speaker
Just because that movie already had so much that it was trying to do. I want to see it. It should have just been the original cut. I don't know why. Oh, another cool fact I learned on my research dive I did. So after the release of the main experiment 2, when Andrew Garfield famously came out and made a comment about the main experiment 2 and his unhappiness with the final product, there was a petition signed, had 460,000
01:22:49
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signatures
Spider-Man's Connection to New York
01:22:50
Speaker
to do a web cut really within the first mine was yeah I buy sign I didn't I never saw the position but like I would yeah I'm all for the web cut yeah you too I'm sure cuz like
01:23:08
Speaker
The way you hate it now, I'm sure you want to see the version that it was meant to be. The good version. Absolutely. Okay. This is a huge thing to say. And like, this isn't something that anyone can argue about too long, because we're never going to see it probably, but most likely that if it was done the right way, I feel like it would be the best Spider-Man movie right now. It'd be a lot of people's like, number one.
01:23:34
Speaker
This version's my top four. Yeah, me too. Now that I think about it, I think this is... It jumps back and forth because it really is just the emotional aspect. But it jumps back and forth between being my first and second favorite. But if I'm really judging it as movies... It's probably two, oh my.
01:23:59
Speaker
If we're judging it like as a as a movie like well I have I have as a superhero movie a spider-man movie and as I'm like just a film looking at from like review critically and It's gonna have different scores from every Spider-man movie. I think it's almost perfect
01:24:15
Speaker
don't get me wrong the dialogues really poor in certain scenes but the swinging him actually just saving people is so nice to see when you don't see that in superhero movies it's always got to be the big villain the way he does it looks great the suits perfect yep I don't know and the love interest is the best in any Spider-Man movie
01:24:36
Speaker
Yeah, the love interest, like you said, the chemistry definitely saved the aspect of the movies. But another thing, remember that kid that he saved from being bullied, Jorge? That's something, you know, it's like a cute kid and he's like, oh, I'm Spider-Man, I'll walk you home. It's the little things that matter.
01:25:00
Speaker
It's not the big action scenes, it's the little things that matter, it's the little details or when it comes to the action scenes with how he fights and when you slow it down you'll see why he does certain things and it's consistent to his version of the character. Someone recently slowed down when the Amazing Spider-Man won when he was wrapping the web around the lizard. He moves exactly like a spider and I was like, oh no, it's one of those details that was done intentionally.
01:25:25
Speaker
Um, the whole Jorge thing, some people could see it as a cute little thing, but clearly it led to more to where he had that number one fan kid that looked up to him so much that, you know, took that to heart. Of course, you know, meeting Spider-Man that he tried to stand up and be Spider-Man.
01:25:46
Speaker
which is hugely dangerous, by the way. Whenever I rewatch that scene, I catch it over and over, but whatever. The cops are still shooting when he's on the street. And I'm like,
01:26:02
Speaker
That scene was kind of also physically put together weird, like the barricades show up out of nowhere, but whatever. Yeah, the Jorge thing. Yeah, the Jorge thing? Think about it.
Debating Spider-Man's Public Perception
01:26:21
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And I hope they do it, but Tom hasn't interacted with kids like that or the city.
01:26:32
Speaker
the city new york city of all things new york city means a lot to not only people that live there but new york city is just a huge thing it's not no small town it's not just a city that's in superhero movies new york city itself was a character in uh toby's spider-man the first one the second one the freaking third one like that that connects spider-man to the city more and
01:27:02
Speaker
Andrew doing that whole thing at the end and then the Jorge thing. I loved that. I loved that he interacted with a kid because I feel like they should because Spider-Man, you know, a lot of the kids look up to him. Yeah, they didn't do that with Tom. They did none of that with Tom. Tom swings right over the city, not close to anyone and they did it in no way home where I also didn't like it. It was a deleted scene.
01:27:26
Speaker
And that's a whole other thing. I think for the people that even think that Tom is their favorite, I think even they agree that like, Andrews is the best. Yeah. But yeah, that deleted scene where Tom's brother Harry is just like dangling on the web. And they're like, there's three people going back and forth of like, what are you doing? You can't do this with him. Like he's a child. And he's like, my kid's 14. He's a, he's a moron. And they go back and forth. Like, I, they need to stop doing that, that quick back and forth, like,
01:27:57
Speaker
It's up to Spider-Man to do the quick quipping. Not every single person. Like I said, I hope Tom interacts with the city and kids more in the next trilogy, maybe in the next one. Because another thing that I saw, I don't know if it's contract-wise, I think it is though, I heard that it was. I don't know if you guys realize this, but ever since Marvel bought Disney,
01:28:25
Speaker
There are not only less fatalities, but they show it less and less and less as they make more movies. And think about it. Homecoming, the final battle was up in the air and then on an empty beach. Far From Home was literally a bunch of robots on an empty bridge. No people. They left in time.
01:28:49
Speaker
No one was at stake. No lives were at stake there or maybe some but yeah overall no and then no way home They specifically planned it to be like away from people which is cool like it makes sense for their safety or repeat the city safety or whatever but like They're playing on a playground essentially Yeah, there's I don't I do like when they put I think I was saying that about amazing playmen, too. I
01:29:16
Speaker
the scene when you're actually right at the scene it's when electro is finally figures out his power and he starts attacking people a little bit later in the scene but yeah i wish you actually this sounds horrible i wish you actually saw people die i'm getting electrocuted
01:29:33
Speaker
Yeah, like that makes it feel so much more real and so much scarier. The fact that he's just shooting around people, like, yeah, it's scary shooting electricity out of his hands. But it makes it more like, oh, people are at risk. Like, Spider-Man needs to do something. Like, people are getting- Wait, even if it's like somebody steps on the same grate as Electro and they just drop, like, it's an accident. Yeah. Oh, shit. What did I do? Like, he has no idea. You know what I mean? Because he's still learning his powers in that scene. He could do something totally on accident. Yeah. Yeah.
01:30:01
Speaker
Okay, now that you brought that up, it's really cool because I never thought about it. Picture this, this scene, but when he's starting to act out and attack the cops and you know, blow things up or whatever, whether it's someone stepping on the same grate, getting electrocuted and falling or him actually hitting people.
01:30:19
Speaker
Imagine while Spider-Man's trying to manage everything, his spider senses go off. Everything kind of mutes and muffles and people are running by him and he's jumping over people and saving people quickly as he's trying to swing to that one person. And just imagine that person dies right in front of him.
01:30:37
Speaker
not only is that another death where it really affects Spider-Man, but that's in not only in public, but around everyone. And I don't know if it's still being televised. I don't think so. But like we see there's a live camera and they put it up on the screen. Like
01:30:57
Speaker
And they, it's on the news again, when he gets home, where those two guys are like, I think his suit is rubberized, you know? Like, if that happened, not only would that hit him so hard, but when he gets home and watches the news, and they talk about that they lost a couple people in that time, like, that would have, that would have hit hard too.
01:31:21
Speaker
Yeah, it's also a huge part of Spider-Man, the, you know, hero or menace part of it. That's huge and Toby stuff. And they mentioned it a lot in the beginning of this movie, especially. But yeah, you know, they mentioned it, but you never see anything bad happen. That was because of Spider-Man, besides like Captain Stacey and all that stuff. You can say bad stuff happens if you go to them.
01:31:41
Speaker
But you never see it yourself. You never see anybody get killed from something that maybe wasn't his fault, but he was involved in it. People blame him. It just never happens. They kind of just say like, oh, he's a menace, but you never see why they might think that, which is just a missed opportunity. So, I don't know. I also love this when he's trying to talk them down. He did it perfectly. I've seen teachers talk like that to kids and, you know,
01:32:08
Speaker
People talk to anyone like that to calm them down. And I think he did that perfectly. I mean, yeah, like you said, they don't really touch on the menace aspect. And it's also because Mark Webb was just like, no, we are not going to cast a J. Jonah Jameson. That would be disrespectful because they perfectly did JJ like that. But I think it's also because they were scared too. They probably wanted to, but they were like, no, we can't. People are going to hate it no matter what, you know?
01:32:38
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Supposedly, well, I think
01:32:42
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Either Avi confirmed or one of the other whoever co-wrote the original writing with it. There was a scene with Jonah and it was JK Simmons and he ended up filming a scene and they cut it. What? You know when he sends the email to him? Yeah, that was originally an in-person scene of him giving them to him. Just imagine if they were deleted. And I think either Mark Webb thought it was weird to cast the same guy because I guess the multiverse hadn't fully been developed yet.
01:33:10
Speaker
Which it was going to because Toby and Andrew were gonna have a movie together which got leaked and all that Sony leaks a couple years ago But yeah, there was they did film it and I think they said I think jk sims at one point spoiled that he was supposed to be in it in the interviews like yeah I film something for the new spider-man if you're like what he's like, yeah, he's just like one scene and then I haven't seen that well did imagine if they actually like believed or even leaked and
Storytelling and Emotional Depth in Spider-Man Films
01:33:38
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Did I say released? It released or leaked that deleted scene? Oh my god.
01:33:44
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There's a lot of good to lead scenes in these franchise in this in, especially tassel. Yeah. Because like it's very hard to find, but you can find it. It's the original cut of the goblin and Peter fight. I don't know for everyone listening. I don't know if you guys know this. The original cut. Peter kills him. Peter goes down, catch the Gwen stuff happens. Peter hears goblin laughing because as you see going, it's launched to the corner. Peter goes up and stabs him multiple times with the glider.
01:34:14
Speaker
How did anger just- And it just anger and- He loses it. He got shown during, uh, screenings, like, uh, test screenings. And, uh, people thought it was too dark. And they did not like that Spider-Man got angry and killed him. So, yeah, you can find pictures of it. There are pictures of him holding the glider over his head. Yeah, like, I'd say I, uh, I think it's best that they didn't do that. But I personally would love to see that.
01:34:44
Speaker
I wish he killed him just cuz it's like in that moment. You're just seeing red like you just lost the one One right. Yeah, you love yeah, you hear the guy laughing who caused it You know what yeah now that I think about it. I'm glad that they didn't do it because Think about it. It ended with the camera zooming out and then looking up at the moon while he's crying and then they transition into the funeral and
01:35:13
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him at the grave. I think that would have interrupted it and the whole mood and just the tone. And the only thing I can think about is no way home. Unfortunately, and I have thought about this before, that right after anime died, that's where they slowly get into the Toby and Andrew showing up. And everyone starts cheering and laughing again.
01:35:43
Speaker
And a lot of people forget, and sometimes, or some of the, not everyone forgot, but in the moment, you're not focused on it. A lot of people, they know that Aunt May died, but they don't feel it anymore, maybe, because they switched up the tone. I feel like they should have done that. I feel like they should have brought Toby and Andrew beforehand. I don't know how they would have done it. That movie actually has a lot of loopholes that I didn't realize, but
01:36:14
Speaker
Yeah. I didn't like that. I feel like you could literally just flip the scenes. Because Ned and Zendaya are still by themselves. Yeah. They never show up. Oh, you're right. You could literally just flip it.
01:36:27
Speaker
Yeah, holy crap. Yeah, see you probably would have to do it before they go bad cuz then that'd be kind of cutting in between the action Yeah, I feel you could have done it a little bit earlier and they're trying to figure out where he is They see that on the news they go and yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, exactly that was another thing we're like
01:36:47
Speaker
How the hell did you know where to go? I mean, obviously the portals, but Toby was just like, I've been here and I've been feeling like he needs my help. I could get that's the spider sense, but that's kind of lazy. It is kind of goofy. That's also not really how the spider sense works most of the time, but whatever. Yeah.
01:37:12
Speaker
Yeah, I wish, cause I, a lot of people hate it. A lot of people don't watch Tazem because I hate, they're like, I hate that movie. I hate, I hate that Gwen dies. So I refuse to watch it. And I'm like, all right, to each his own. But like, I, I wanted to sit with that emotion of Aunt May dying. I think I cried then too. Yeah. And then we go straight to cheering about Andrew and Toby, you know?
01:37:35
Speaker
Yeah. To everyone that doesn't watch Tasm because Gwen dies, there is a reason why Gwen and Peter never get married in the comics. Because Gwen dies in 95% of comics, unless it's a Spider Gwen storyline. Gwen, that's a major part of Spider-Man is losing his first love and rebound, figuring it out eventually and getting with MJ. So I love Gwen Stacy. I hate her version of Spider-Man 3. Do not like that version of the character.
01:38:04
Speaker
Yeah. Bryce Dallas Howard, bad choice. Emma Stone will always be iconically Gwen Stacy. And then we'll see her haircut. She got cut like Spider-Gwen. Recently? Yeah, yeah. Oh my god. Everyone's like, wait, wait. But like, there's a strike going on right now. I think we have enough. Yeah. I mean, who knows? I don't think I don't think they're doing anything.
01:38:32
Speaker
Cause if they even did like, uh, like screen tests, you know, like that still counts. That's a production. Neon signed with the writers and actors, a 24 signed.
AI, CGI, and Superhero Film Production
01:38:49
Speaker
Yeah. Someone else signed. So we're getting somewhere. I don't know how a 24 can afford it, but Disney and Sony can't do. Yeah. Cause that makes sense. Right.
01:39:01
Speaker
I saw a video the other day where I saw a video the other day where they were like, Oh, Disney, you can add a bunch of these new things in your park, like next year, but you can't budge for the writers and whatnot. You can build Indiana Jones land can't make right. They're trying to however something for that. Like, like, if you think about it, where we don't know all the details, but
01:39:25
Speaker
There are different departments to where they I don't know if they can just move money like that I'm sure Disneyland. I already know Disneyland and Disney World are different departments. There's theme parks, but clearly Like if you go on their Instagram, they make Disney Parks, Disneyland, Disney Animation, Disney Plus, Disney as itself as Instagram so Yeah as for the the money moving around I don't know if you can just be like oh you can add stuff to your parks but not the movies but I mean
01:39:56
Speaker
I don't know. I might be wrong. I know that money money works when it wants to. So I feel like when they want to do something, they'll move money around. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And of course, right when we went to L.A., it was writers one strike, actors one strike and all the cleaning people at hotels were on strike. Mm. Yeah. So we just had a huge strike out front of our hotel the whole time. Yeah. I'm like, this is this is nice way to wake up in the morning. You hear the drums in the morning. It's a drum. Oh, my God.
01:40:26
Speaker
Hey, good for them though, they deserve better wages. Yeah, they really do. Yeah, tassel, it's... I highly recommend...
01:40:35
Speaker
This scene, too. Oh, there he is. Michael Morbius.
Venom Franchise and Storytelling Critiques
01:40:38
Speaker
Yep, Morbius. Yeah, they pull up Morbius. There's Morbius there, and I think there's even Krave in there, right, on the thing? Yeah, and then they mention the, it's like V something, which is the Venom Serum. I mean, we do talk about Krave. They go to Krave and also it's like, not too surprising, but yeah, Morbius is there, too. Yep. And of course, in the credits of Tasm, too, we see all the different members as gear throughout the credits. I remember being excited. I thought that was really cool, too.
01:41:06
Speaker
Who was the... I still can't... Who was the smoking mask? It's like a Java walking mask. Chameleon. But there's like... Is it? No. Chameleon's one of the men. There's two men. The one's Mysterio, the one is Chameleon. I know Chameleon was the villain in the third one because he was going to be Gwen. And Peter was going to be like going crazy about it. About like... Got it. Got it. Chameleon's one of the coolest villains. Is he still going to be in Craven? Because I haven't heard... I remember that was... It's... What's his name?
01:41:33
Speaker
Yeah, I remember he got cast, but I haven't heard anything since then. I don't think I saw him in the trailer. They cast him a while ago. Like a year ago, yeah. I mean, they probably wouldn't show him. Unless they cut it. Yeah, I don't know. He could be anybody, to be fair. That's, you know. Could be Russell Crowe. Could be. I don't know. Could be a lion. I don't know. He came to hunt. He's got a lion. Dude, the fact that Russell Crowe, his version of her, uh, Zeus. Oh, God.
01:42:04
Speaker
I was too excited when he got cast, and then it was just that. I thought Russell Crowe was Zeus, now that he's like old and bigger. It wouldn't be funny as hell. Zeus is jagged. And then it was terrible. That whole movie's terrible. Yeah, but this was like a Zeus that was like, been a god for forever, doesn't give a shit anymore, just eating grapes. He's getting fat and old. You should just be jacked without doing anything. I thought that was the joke, is that he's gotten fat and old. And then Hercules showed up, and he's like, yeah. It was a stupid movie.
01:42:29
Speaker
Well, okay, I'm kind of in the middle of you guys to where like, I love Russell Crowe.
Daredevil Adaptations and Performances
01:42:35
Speaker
And if they casted him as a more serious Zeus and not jacked.
01:42:40
Speaker
I wouldn't even have cared about him, not being that. If it's good, it's good. It's because everything else has been around it. I hate that. Alright, so everyone that doesn't know yet, he's gonna be in Craven, he plays the dad, and yeah, he's about to play two bad Marvel characters.
01:43:00
Speaker
I think he's going to be good in Craven. I like it. I like when he does cool accents. You know what? I thought that initially and it looks really good, but watch. It's going to come out and we're going to be like, oh, great. Like the writing would be so stale. This guy knows what's up. Like his dialogue, his dialogue specifically is probably going to be stale. Yeah. Or Venom let there be some property damage. I hate that movie. Still haven't seen it. Don't watch it. I don't listen to property damage. Dude, I.
01:43:29
Speaker
I don't even know. I think that's when I started losing hope in the Sony Burst. Because the first Venom, I already didn't like, but I was like, dude, all right, embrace this new thing. Like, you were attached to Topher Grace's Venom, but like, it wasn't good. So we want like,
01:43:45
Speaker
It was just, I think I liked the look of the original Venom. It was really cool. It was actually scary. Some people are like, oh, he's supposed to be bigger. Like, cool. I'm not saying he's not. I'm just, I really liked it. I like how they did it. And for 2007 CGI, that was sick. If you rewatch the first Venom, the first part where the Venom crawls up on one of the scientists, none of their clothes move as the Venom goes up their clothes.
01:44:14
Speaker
If you rewatch the scene where he takes over Toby's suit, you'll see that the bedsheets move at specific parts, not like someone's pulling it, but as if those fingers are actually crawling along the bed. Again, it's the little things that I see. All the rest of the CGI and Tom Hardy's bed.
01:44:36
Speaker
It's possible. It's tight. Yeah. And Sam Ray is just the king of doing that kind of stuff. Like, Oh, he definitely did that. Some practical way of making everything move. Yeah. And they probably touched it out with the CGI, but you know, he did go back to get like wires going up or something. They did actually. Yeah. I don't know if you guys saw, but, uh, and, uh, the, the bell scene, the church bell, um, they had, uh,
01:45:02
Speaker
behind the scenes pictures of him ripping off his clothes and the suit. They had clear wires pulling actually. So that's that I think that's the part where he's pulling it and then the rest of the suit like reacts. It's like jumping off. They practically did it. It's not all CGI. And yeah, CGI nowadays is also another conversation in itself. It's somehow got worse technology got better. That's because yeah, they're speeding it up of course. And you know, yeah, demand went up and like,
01:45:32
Speaker
the horrible working conditions obviously where they give them a deadline. Technology now, the companies are taking advantage of it to where the way it works is when they outsource to different VFX companies, they work by bids. It takes some time to bid and then once they choose someone who can bid or who wins the bid,
01:45:56
Speaker
They might not even be qualified to be part of the movie. I mean, qualified, sure, CGI, but they might not be at that same level, you know? But once that takes time, as you guys know, they don't give them that much time to make the movie, unfortunately, especially nowadays. Like, Spider-Man 1, 2, and 3 was 2002, and then 4, and then 7. Nowadays, people are like, oh, we gotta wait till next year? That's stupid. We're waiting, what, three years for this? Four years for the next one of this?
01:46:30
Speaker
Jeremy, this is the most important question I'm going to ask you all night. Okay. What are your thoughts on this movie? Okay, okay. All right. Of course, I grew up with that. I watched it when it came out when I was a baby and then when I was a young kid.
01:46:50
Speaker
I didn't know anything about movies back then, so yeah, I thought it was so cool. Even nowadays, the way it aged, I like Ben Affleck's acting with his blindness and his like, you know, tinted
Nostalgia and Hype in Superhero Films
01:47:05
Speaker
eyes. I like it more than Charlie Cox's acting.
01:47:10
Speaker
Charlie Cox's isn't bad, but to me, I can't help but see that he's acting like a blind person. Ben Affleck, even when I watch it now, I haven't watched it in the past year or two, so maybe I should, but it's still convincing. I like Ben Affleck when it comes to certain aspects of him being dark as Daredevil and serious and whatnot. I liked him and Happy Hogan, that was super cool.
01:47:38
Speaker
like him and Jennifer Garner. Fucking loved that. I loved it. Except the fight scene at the playground. Besides that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like them. And I love the suit. I like that way better than Charlie Cox's. When they first casted Charlie, or when they first announced Charlie Cox and they showed it, I was like, why is there so much black blocking and patches and like the whole, like... It's not, it doesn't fit right. And then the mask, I'm like,
01:48:06
Speaker
I get it. But I feel like they would have redesigned it after all these years. But I still like Ben Affleck's like motorcycle jacket collar with a buckle and then that cowl like that tight even eyes. Yeah, the eyes like, you know, the frown and yeah, yeah, like his eyebrows furling. That's sick.
01:48:28
Speaker
Yeah, I just don't I don't think I like Charlie talking suit compared to that at all. Like I think I like every aspect It's got the beautiful red. It's got the two D's on it. It's so Similar to what I wanted from a comic book. It's Have you seen the director's cut?
01:48:48
Speaker
I don't think I have. If I haven't, it's probably a long time ago. It is better. Thank you. It's on YouTube. It's still on YouTube, actually. But I will say, and I will agree with everyone about that suit, it is so 2000 era where everything's all leather. I love it. But they did well with it.
01:49:07
Speaker
they really did and then the way the way he works with his weapons compared to the new one is I think it's still better too especially when he uses it like along the buildings like in the comics that's sick but yeah the rest of it yeah the bullseye scenes and the dialogue and it's all just so bad the the the
01:49:34
Speaker
yeah the rest of it yeah um i always laugh at the scene where bullseye is on the plane and that old lady he's talking his ear off and he's just like he's about to lose his skin that's funny i feel like i feel like that's something they could they could do nowadays in a daredevil movie but i feel like if they did that people would get offended that they're playing the old lady i don't know but yeah that's that's how i feel about that movie
01:50:05
Speaker
Good, good answer. We're on the same page. Do you agree with most of that, or all of that? Yeah, no. You can't see it from the camera, but there's a hole in Daredevil's head. Yeah, I got there. All like the indentation.
01:50:19
Speaker
Because Ryan shot it with an airsoft gun. Because Ryan hates Daredevil. I don't hate Daredevil. I don't like that Daredevil. I love the show to death, but it's not my favorite movie. I'll give you credit. The suit is not bad. The suit has grown on me. It's amazing. The look down on every episode. Yeah. I feel like every time I see it on the poster, it looks darker. But when I see it in the actual movie, it's pretty nice. But I still love the Charlie Cox suit. I don't know why.
01:50:47
Speaker
I just, I love that show so much, and I really do like that suit. And I get what you're saying, it has too much black, that's a totally reasonable complaint, but it never bothers me, I don't know. It's just as simple as that, I like it. Again, that just really caught me off guard. And then the actual red, that's like, Charlie Cox's is like dried blood, this is like...
01:51:09
Speaker
This is Cadillac. This is like Andrew's suit of the Sheen versus Toby's because they're so similar. Toby's is great, but Andrew's kind of has that shininess. Yeah, like a neoprene. It's kind of like that. Yeah.
01:51:28
Speaker
Yeah, but I don't think so The first the first one just recently grew on me. I didn't I love the first one It's so homemade to me with the eyes. I love it. I know okay Yeah, a lot of people really like the homemade aspect too and like I like it but doesn't mean I will like the suit yeah, because When I think of a spider-man suit, I think of the most iconic one. That's just me and like yeah, I
01:51:56
Speaker
But as for Daredevil's suit himself, this version, I like in the scenes where he takes off the gloves and you see him standing there with
01:52:06
Speaker
like it's just a jacket and the scenes where he unbuckles it or sometimes he fights with it unbuckled it's like it looks so cool so 2000 it's so 2004 oh my god i do love that movie though well i i love i will always defend that movie just like i defend tasm it's just this kind of movie okay all right i haven't defended uh
01:52:33
Speaker
Spider-man 3 because we kind of moved on from it and I can but like I thought of spider-man 3 kind of a transition here You're you're younger than me, right? Yep. What year were you born? Oh one. Oh one and then Ryan were you were you born three? Okay, so 2007 yeah, okay, but I mean Dude, do you remember the hype for spider-man 3? Oh, dude the toy
01:53:03
Speaker
I keep saying that if I could time travel anywhere, it would be back to rewatch Endgame for the first time, because unfortunately I didn't have iCloud at the time, so I filled up my storage and I was like, oh, I don't need these clips of a bunch of, I was like, I deleted it, you know, the crowd reactions.
01:53:20
Speaker
But my movie was actually better than anything that I've seen on the internet, and I wish I saved those videos. Like, with the portals, when Black Panther came out and he started chanting, I started chanting along the Ibambé, and then I got the entire theater to start, and like, we rumbled. But, along with that, if I could try and travel back to any place, is to pre-release Spider-Man 3.
01:53:50
Speaker
Literally, the teaser was the most watched movie trailer in history. And things are different now because everyone has access to YouTube, kind of like inflation with the money making and whatnot. Now you had to go on your computer and go find it. It wasn't. Not a lot of kids had access to computers. Not a lot of kids, teenagers, even were able to go on computers. A lot of parents were still not letting them back then.
01:54:18
Speaker
But yeah, I vividly remember it and the teaser and the trailer itself. And I remember it playing either on TV or on a screen at the theater or in the actual theater where we watch. The wording was his biggest battle lies within three in the base and the venom just hitting like.
01:54:39
Speaker
I was like, I don't feel like the heavy base leading up. Do you remember the trailer? I did like the base, base, base, black. And that showed him waking up with the black suit. I remember cheering like you have the suit that reversed. I did. I had it too. Dude, just just the fact of how they built that up where it's his biggest battle. I was like, oh, my God, little me thought this was going to be it. This is going to be the end of it. Not the way they did it, but like
01:55:07
Speaker
I do love the final battle in 3. I just wish my biggest issue is Topher Grace as Venom. I don't like him as an actor in that. I hate how much he sees his face. Keep the Venom face. As for the hype, the Burger King toys were the best.
01:55:29
Speaker
in my life that I've ever gotten boys from a franchise. I still have them, thank God. I can't find my favorite one because that's the one that I like held onto as a kid. It was the one where he's like squatting, but it's the one where you can put in the freezer and it'll turn into the black suit.
01:55:47
Speaker
Oh, to the black. Yeah, I can't. I can't find that.
Audience Reactions to Major Film Releases
01:55:50
Speaker
But the hype for it was, in my opinion, better than the hype for an endgame. And it's like a different type of hype. Like now, like everyone watches the MCU. Like that's what everyone. Superheroes, like they're big in 2007, but like that begins had just come out of your prior.
01:56:07
Speaker
We had it was not endgame. It was Spider-Man by himself was going to do this epic movie that was the build up for everything. The black suit and venom was such a big deal. And then we saw what we actually got. Yeah, like nowadays hype is not only hype and it's easy to hype things up nowadays. And like you said, every a lot of people watch MCU now and like everyone's a Marvel nerd. And back then it was different. Yeah. That's why I'm saying.
01:56:37
Speaker
Comparing it to now, I think the hype was a lot bigger and endgame. I missed that.
01:56:44
Speaker
I do miss the height. I will say No Way Home was probably the greatest theater reaction we've ever been on. Yeah, I was just, that's why I was on my phone. I was finding the video that I took. We went to an opening night in Disney Springs at this, it had three balconies? Yeah. Three balcony levels and there was still sitting on the steps on the floor. People in full costume, it was crazy. People, the place shook.
01:57:08
Speaker
when Charlie Cox appeared, and Ryan was the loudest person in the entire theater, just on his feet. I jumped and cried when Andrew was so happy. It was insane. But I have a video of when Toby came out, and there was a kid, random guy, I had no idea, sitting next to me, and as he was coming over, they were like, oh my god, oh my god, just the random dude next to me, just jumping on each other. It was great. Guys, just theater sounds fucking amazing. Wow. When you said people were sitting even on the steps,
01:57:39
Speaker
That's that's how chairs it was. I mean it was packed. Was it opening night or day after? It was opening night. Was it? Yeah, because they had the third day screening. We went on a Friday. Yeah, that's right. And it just like you couldn't hear the dialogue of Andrew at first. Like, yeah, when he first comes through, I had no idea what he said. I just knew it was Andrew. Yeah. They did. They did it on purpose. They know what they're doing. And that's why he was like breathing for a second. They did that in the flash, too. Like I thought it was
01:58:06
Speaker
We'll not get into that, but like when George Clooney showed up and he's like, what's wrong with you? And then the music swells up and he literally like looks away and smiles back. Yeah. That movie's so- Not realistic. Whatever. Sorry. Back to Spiderman. I was a defender of the flash too up until it came out. I wasn't, but I had a lot more fun than I thought I was going to have actually.
01:58:29
Speaker
Oh, you like them more than I did. And I was like, that's so hype because I'm a big guy. So and they kind of in dirty again. They meant very light. Yeah, that was that was stupid.
Practical Effects and CGI in Spider-Man
01:58:41
Speaker
Oh, my God. And the bad ass.
01:58:43
Speaker
I think I only had really fun with like two scenes. It was the first running scene where he's about to run and then the title cuts off because of the kids. I thought that was creative. And then the whole, when he actually stands and then the whole street zooms in. Yeah. And then the music that they used, I saw it in IMAX and I was pretty close. So I was like, holy shit, like this is super cool. Other than that, yeah, I didn't really like the movie.
01:59:10
Speaker
Yeah. Again, that's a different conversation. Back to Spider-Man. Yeah, back to Spider-Man. Yeah, no way home. Your theater. My theater was IMAX also.
01:59:21
Speaker
I think it was my auntie that chose it, which I get her intentions. But unfortunately, the IMAX doesn't sit as many people. So we didn't have the loudest crowd which I wanted. My local theater actually were friends with the manager. He's known me since I was a baby. They had me as Spider-Man, Friday, Saturday, and maybe Sunday, or Thursday, Friday, Saturday. They let me in the lobby stand and take pictures.
01:59:50
Speaker
It was like freaking Disneyland, dude, you know, where people are crowding Spider-Man to take pictures. But it was worse because they were planning to have a worker kind of manage the line for me. But dude, it was opening of No Way Home. They weren't going to have anyone. There's no controlling that. Yeah. So there was no one there and it was like my friends trying to take pictures for me but act like they're not with me because, you know, I did it. I haven't done my face reveal yet. Or did I?
02:00:18
Speaker
2021. No, I didn't yet. Yeah, I did my face reveal May 2022. So yeah, I was trying to, you know, make sure no one was like with me. But yeah, we, it was so hard to control that. I post about it too, when, when this podcast releases is funny. But yeah, we, our theater wasn't the loudest. A couple rows back, we did have the the wrestling Spider-Man from Toby's first one with the shirt and the mask. I thought that was funny. I had that shirt too. But yeah,
02:00:47
Speaker
Yeah, we didn't dress up for hours. We just went. But I'd never seen people dress up in a movie before. Yeah. And it was everyone. Yeah. It was just in full. It was like the kids. It was it was like everyone. Yeah. I was like, yeah. Damn. Yeah. Like couples were like Spider-Man and Gwen. I was like, God, but I wish I knew the incredible experience.
02:01:09
Speaker
And then when he catches MJ, I mean, the cheers that came in. I mean, it was dead silent when she's falling and he's reaching. And I was like, he's got to catch her, right? And he catches him. We all knew. Can you imagine anything, catcher? And he's like, Oh, again, you're one. My bad.
02:01:34
Speaker
Okay, okay. As for that scene, like people were cheering right away because we all knew. We all knew. Yeah. Like before he even jumped off the ledge, we all knew. But I think I just thought about it a few days ago. We all know the CGI was rushed and Toby's mask looks weird. I think Andrew's mask looks weird. It looks better, but I can tell when he takes off his mask that the red of it is different. Um,
02:02:02
Speaker
The CGI for Toby's mask, I don't know if a lot of people noticed, but the CGI for Andrew's body, because it's not most scenes, it's a lot of scenes, like the one where he's webbing the lizard to the metal. When you pause it, his shoulders are super flexed, his biceps and triceps are swollen, but it's like his armpits dip up, and his waist is like this.
02:02:27
Speaker
It looks so weird. It's like when they all run and jump together. The CGI, them running really goofy. Yeah, you can tell they definitely use like Blender or something. They all run the same. So weird. And when he lands, when he catches MJ and lands, that looks weird. That's all I was going to say. So that whole scene with the CGI, he jumped and then it cuts the CGI. Dude, like that was way too rushed for me.
02:02:50
Speaker
Like they put it in slow motion, but that was the fastest slow motion I've ever seen. I wanted something like a little snippet of Gwen like see something in his glass again. I just want something like the mask on. I know I knew they weren't going to do that, but it's fine that they didn't do that. But that it was way too, again, the fastest slow motion I've ever seen. I didn't get to hold my breath.
02:03:15
Speaker
I was just starting to cheer by the time he caught her. And then, like you said, when he caught her, it was super fast. They bounced really weird. I could see the CGI face change, because that's not actually him. Yeah, it's William, who we had on the show a couple months ago. Oh, really? Him and I have been meaning to collab for over a year now. We were supposed to collab to promote No Way Home, actually. I've been friends with him for a while. He's a great guy. He's a great guy. Yeah.
02:03:44
Speaker
But yeah, cause we all know that's him in the next switches to Android, they're like... Cause there's picture, he's posted the picture of him holding MJ somewhere. Yeah. Yeah, I just, I really can't get over that scene. And in the beginning, which I don't know if you guys noticed, I don't know if anyone noticed, when the whole thing blows up and they kind of like jump out of the way,
02:04:05
Speaker
when tom how do you know what the hell is he doing there he's just ready to launch like what he's at the bottom of the grave start going oh yeah yeah that's fair point yeah like no spider-man movie has ever done that i don't care i just want to see andrew come flying down make the catch
02:04:24
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You've brought me so much joy, I was just so happy. Just redemption. That can't be the end. And he said in a recent interview, he's like, there's more story to tell now. And that was the first time he's ever been like straightforward about it. He was like, yeah, he's like, there's more story to tell. And I was like, yo, house is not like everywhere. It was all like every Spider-Man page. He loves playing Spider-Man. Sony loves making money. It's literally just a matter of who writes the script first and who gets the direct, like,
02:04:53
Speaker
It's gonna happen. Everybody knows it's gonna happen. Why is Avi Arad still working on this shit? Yeah, he should be. Just say it. Why is he still in the Sony stuff? Jeremy, you should go to Sony headquarters and tell them this. Just dress up as Spider-Man and just go tell Avi that he's ruined your career.
02:05:16
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Like if Avi Arad or if Sony fucking called me because you know, they're casting so many influencers nowadays. If they called me and they were like, hey, we saw your idea. We want to make Ned Leeds a Spider-Man and it's a Sony thing. And then Avi Arad is the one that came up with the idea. I'm like, no, I don't think I would. I would be super hesitant to take it.
02:05:38
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I'd be like, can you show me what you've written? I mean, I need to read this strip before. Yeah. And be like, changes, right? Like, we're not going to go in the post and then you guys like, oh, we're re filming. Like, I need you to sign that if it changes because it probably will, that it won't be. I'll be doing it.
02:05:54
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Bring Mark Webb on. Let him make the changes this time. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, imagine if they, which they probably are, bringing back Toby and Andrew, if Mark Webb somehow comes back. Because I heard that Sam Raimi is coming back. It's so much practical filmmaking. And it's so well, like the whole swing scene underneath the bridge in Tasm 1, when he's running from the cops, is one of the coolest scenes. And that it's all real. That was like a cool thing I got to talk to William Spencer about. Because that was him doing the swinging.
02:06:22
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And he was like, it was an awesome moment to like actually. Yeah. Every time I see the behind the scenes, it's so cool. And you know, the shot in Tasm, too, when he's watching Gwen go into the coffee shop, he's like perched. Yeah.
02:06:36
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So Andrew was, I was watching the whole thing, man. They let Andrew do that shot. But that's like a big, you know, like your actor go up on a really tall building. The amount, there's like eight different wire sets connected. I was like, you know, they were like, Andrew, just don't lean. Just sit right where you are. Don't move. But yeah, I love them. I love them. I love Mark Webb. I think he's a good director. I love his other movies outside of just Spider-Man. So I would really like to see him come back and get a fair shot at his story.
02:07:05
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Yeah, I like his style of the practicality,
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02:07:08
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but even when it comes to the CGI, they tried so hard to make it as practical as possible. Like I don't know if you've seen the clip, but the opening skydiving scene, the camera work, they had an actual camera guy shake and like move with it. Like that's not a CGI camera.
02:07:26
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Yeah, like that's really cool too and the whole GoPro shot with it up a bit on his chest swing in the God damn. All right. All right, I guess Fuck I don't know if I should say this No, okay. I won't say it but I will say this for our movie like we're gonna You guys but can you cut this part out?
02:07:52
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Oh, no, we'll wait after we we're not good at cutting. Okay, it might slip in there show up. Okay, I'll tell you I'll tell you guys after but uh, so what I will say for our movie is that I don't know how many swinging scenes we'll have. But we're gonna take inspiration from the best part of every single Spider-Man. And yes, like think about that again. I'm not gonna say anything further than that. Every single Spider-Man that we've seen.
02:08:22
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And then we're going to add a little bit of my own style in there. So yeah, like Lotus was freaking cool. Yeah. Like that was cool. Um, but yeah.
02:08:36
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my turn.
02:08:54
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I'm not going to say anything bad about the movie. They made a Spider-Man movie. That's something I wish I could do. I think the way you handled it, I thought, was great, being very kind about it. Because that's what Instagram and all that's for, networking. We got to go see the movie, which was cool. I didn't expect to watch it in the theater, so I thought you handled it really well. Thank you. I think so too, and I was really scared too.
02:09:21
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my initial thought or decision was that I wasn't going to at all, that I wasn't going to address it. But like, I feel like we need to address mistakes. But you saw that at the same time, I'm like, I don't know everything. You don't know everything. Yeah, this your initial thought about this person is not like, if you were to judge me for my one mistake from when I was younger, I wouldn't want to know you'd be friends with the athletes. That's not how you judge people. My whole thing was like,
02:09:52
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You know, everything's been good since that I've seen. It seems like they're not like that anymore. But Warden's been super cool. I've continued talking to Warden outside of that event. And they were both kind enough to come on the show before we went out to LA and invited us to go out with them and film some cool content while we were there.
02:10:12
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So I have nothing bad. People make mistakes. I've made my plenty of my own mistakes. And Ryan has knows me my entire life. Everyone makes it. So I'm not going to judge someone. I know people are very outspoken about how they feel about people. But if you don't know, people make mistakes. People say stupid things that they didn't. They don't mean now when they.
02:10:35
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Did anyone here play in a Modern Warfare 2 chat when you were like 10 years old? You don't want those released, do you? Exactly. Not only were you an ignorant kid once, but going back two years ago, three years ago, even five years ago, not even longer than that.
02:10:56
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times were different. It's different now. And me personally, I grew up with a lot of jokes.
Controversies and Community in Spider-Man Fan Films
02:11:03
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I grew up with a lot of racist jokes that I was included in like, at me and I never got offended like it was part of it was a joke, you know, like,
02:11:16
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Yeah, we got offended in comedy clubs nowadays. So dumb. Yeah, that's the weird thing with doing now we have an editor of the show. But me and Ryan, I we're very kind, hard people. We're don't try and offend people. But there's been a couple of times where we've said things and then Spotify like takes it down. I'm like, I didn't even know what I said was bad. Like, yeah. So you have to be so careful now. And I know that there's bad words out there that you're not supposed to say. But then there's some like
02:11:47
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F word, the like fog, the only thing I'm saying the other word, that's a no-no. That's even, that gets people annoyed that we even say that sometimes, so. Okay. Interesting. Yeah. But yeah, that's, uh, the whole, yeah, the whole Lotus thing. I made the last minute decision to address it, not only because it kept popping up in my comments, but I, if I didn't address it, I probably wouldn't, I probably would have been,
02:12:16
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spoken about horribly on other people's stories, and then it would be harder to defend myself, or I would have to defend myself in general. Plus, I did want to post about, like, you know, pictures. I'm sure you guys have seen my pictures from the carpet. Like, I was excited for that. Yo, those pictures were cool. I liked when you guys did the point. I was like, that's a cool picture. I can't even do that. Oh, yeah. I'm surprised I didn't see anyone else do that. But I'm like, all right, there's literally three spider men here.
02:12:47
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There was another Spider-Man. There were like a couple other ones there. They didn't do that. Really? I only knew you and Warden were gonna be there. There was a... There was a Miles Morales one. There was... I don't even remember what type of suit it was, but it was like... I think it was darker, like a damaged suit.
02:13:09
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I don't remember the third one. The third one was like an even cheaper suit, I think. But yeah, there were like other Spider-Man there, a couple, but again, I never saw it. I'm glad I'm the only one that did though. Yeah, no, I was, it was a cool post. And I said this, all right, when you walk, cause we were talking
Diversity and Representation in Spider-Man
02:13:25
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to Warden and I saw you and I was like, is he coming up to us? I was like, holy shit, he is coming up to us. And then you were like, hi. And then you shook my hand. I was like, hi, I'm Tommy. You're like, I'm international Spider-Man. I was like, I fucking knew it.
02:13:41
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Yeah, that I also I'm really glad that I got a picture with the the you know, the main cast because that clip of all of us. I think that's sick. And Mariah specifically like she said she asked me to send her some of my videos and she was like, you look like
02:13:58
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you belong there. I'm excited to see your movie. I'm like, thanks. That was really cool. And then my date said the same thing too. And she knows about my movie and she
02:14:12
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I tell her all about it, you know? And she's like, you really look like you're in your element there. And I'm excited for yours. And she's like, no matter what happens between us, I don't care. I want an invite, you know? Oh, that's nice. I'm really excited for that. We don't even want to watch our movie.
02:14:32
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We don't want to watch ours. We're very hesitant about what. I think it's more like it's first off to me at least it's very it's it's lay a real day I had yeah that I therapeutically was told to write a bell and I did and Ryan being the best friend I could ask for made it into a really good script
02:14:54
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that I could not have done. And so watching it and me, I ended up I wasn't going to play the character because I was like, that's too on the news if I'm playing myself. But then it eventually got to the point where me and Ryan were talking. Ryan was like, he's like, you should play it. I was like, OK. And then we can't we we held auditions for the girl. We end up getting really good actress play my best, my other best friend, because Ryan didn't tell him to later about all that stuff I was going through. But yeah, so I think it's a little bit like
02:15:24
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We wrote it. I have to watch myself act now in it. It was like that weird like, yeah, I want to watch it. So maybe I'll send it to you and you can just give us honest reviews and be like, sure. Yeah. You're like, yo, don't don't don't put this out. This is hard. Yeah. Yeah. No, for sure. I would love to. Now that you say that, though, that's another thing. OK, for everyone watching and for everyone like waiting for my movie to not only come out, but just for us to release information about the movie, whether you're waiting because you're excited or you're waiting to like
02:16:17
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bash my movie.
02:16:25
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This is your story, not just a suicide prevention story. This is your story. And this is a movie, essentially, for your fans. We know you as Spider-Man. We want to see you as Spider-Man. And I was like, wow, I didn't know people would care that much to want me in the movie. But I was like, okay, I can't. I don't want to. Have you seen Spider-Man Cake Day?
02:16:52
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Yeah, like, I don't know why they casted that guy, like, for whatever, but I was like, I don't want to, like, cast myself as Spider-Man just because, like, and be Peter Parker. And then I was like, I got it. There's, like, little to no Asian American representation just more recently. There's very little to no representation about Filipino Americans. And if they are, they're always either
02:17:19
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just changed up or they don't even talk about that they're Filipino. And I'm really glad that they did it with Ned because they didn't do it in the first movie or the second movie. I'm so glad they did it in No Way Home and me and along the other Filipinos in the theater were fucking laughing so hard about it. Yeah, I'm so glad that they did that. And it wasn't intrusive and it wasn't like other
02:17:47
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You know how they're changing, they're race swapping a lot of characters now and they're focusing on cultural aspects and feminism with the whole superhero thing too. I'm all for it, but every single one of them has been shoved down our throats. It almost feels like they're doing it just to satisfy us, not because they genuinely care.
02:18:12
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I don't know, but like the whole, you know, an endgame when all the girls stood together and she was like, she's not alone. I feel like that was kind of shoving it down. And if you if you need to mention it, then it's kind of a, you know, let it happen. Let them all fight. Yeah, that's so cool. You don't need that dialogue. Yeah, the more you mention it, the more ironic it is, you know.
02:18:37
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So yeah, it didn't feel that way for me with the whole Filipino thing. Maybe it felt like that to other people, but you know, the fact that she spoke Tagalog and it's funny that no one else could understand because they didn't even use subtitles. Yeah, they didn't. I didn't know what they said. Yeah, I don't speak Tagalog, so I didn't know. My grandma had to be like, oh, she's saying this. And for any other Filipinos watching, if you're younger and you do speak Tagalog, let me know because my grandparents and my parents were like, he was speaking Tagalog really slowly and it sounded really weird.
02:19:08
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I don't understand it, so I don't know. Um, I could see in some parts where she did, but I'm like, maybe the directors were like, okay, let's do this take again, but slow it down a little
Personal Stories Inspired by Spider-Man
02:19:18
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bit. So Filipinos can understand you. I don't know. Um, cause Tagalog sounds like, um, Spanish a lot. And even if you speak Spanish, it could be super fast. So maybe, maybe she was just nervous. I don't know. This is literally her first role. Um,
02:19:37
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just really glad that they did that and for my movie yeah we're gonna touch up on that too because that's when i decided holy crap okay let's make this a multiverse thing which everyone you know we are already familiar with our version will be Ned Leeds and yeah he's gonna be a Filipino Spider-Man in this universe and there were a couple things
02:20:03
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that I wanted to do specifically. I don't know if I should mention now or at the end, that way you can cut it. We'll stop the recording so you can tell us this stuff. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let me note that down then what I want to say. Um, but yeah, so yeah, that's how we're going to go about my movie.
02:20:22
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I'm ecstatic. I'm so excited just because I love the whole idea of it focusing on the mental health and all that kind of stuff because even if we don't really mention it in Spider-Man
02:20:36
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Spider-man definitely goes through this on his own at the same time like as much as this is your story Which I'm not taking away from that I'm saying yeah Spider-man also goes through all that kind of stuff and it's not ever talked about Spider-man's always been the superhero who just always has a shitty ending. You know I mean like catch a break
02:20:53
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Yeah, exactly. Like, you look at the end of the first Toby movie, he ends with his... breaking up with his girlfriend, and then his best friend hates his guts because he killed his dad. Like, there's never a happy ending for Spider-Man. And then the entire second movie is that, which is also why it's, like, so accurate. But yeah, it's... yeah.
02:21:12
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The goblin scene just happened. It made me so dumb. It's when his shoulders move. It freaks me out. All of the shoulder blades? Yeah, the shoulder thing. I don't like that. And then they add the sound effects? Yeah. Yeah, I turned away just as everyone was talking. I looked away. And I don't like it. Right, yeah. It freaks me out.
02:21:30
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Even though they did have to tone down this scene, this still kind of freaked me out in the theater. That was the feeling for the whole movie, was supposed to be like that. It was supposed to feel like a horror movie. Like how scary Electro can be because there is no really fighting Electro. And then they kind of went away for that the more MCU-rel.
02:21:52
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yeah interesting i like how they they they did better with electro and no way home yes yeah they did way better got it just jamie fox the way he is hate him in this it's just not as good yeah jamie fox the way he is and then the yellow instead of the blue and then the whole like construction jacket
02:22:12
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I thought that was sick. It was the right colors. And it's the fact that it's like right there. Some people can be like, Oh, that's lazy. But no, I think that's cool. Yeah. It's a shed. It's gonna have that kind of stuff, especially if they're working on power lines and everything. Like I said, it goes with the colors too. And the only thing that like, I don't know if it's a huge thing, but like, you know, the arc reactor was powered by the arc reactor. And then
02:22:38
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Dr. Octopus got ahold of it, and he set his famous line again. Now that I think about it, though, like, did they need the arc reactor? Probably not, huh? No. And actually, wait a second. Where the hell did the arc react? Did the arc reactor go back to the other universe with Dr. Octopus? He was holding help with the arc reactor. Did someone take it? No one took it from him, right?
02:23:08
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Was that man's stuff that I just pocketed and left? Oh my god. That man's about to post more in 2004. That man's about to make a billion dollars.
02:23:18
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Oh my god, that's hilarious. He's pretending to be good at the end, and he's like, he just goes back and beats up Ubi now. Alright, yeah, you guys have to post that part and like, make it a short clip somehow. Because I want to see what everyone else has. Power of two funds in the palm of my hand. Hands. Oh god, man, I can't believe I just realized that now. That's crazy. What the heck? Another great scene on the TV right now.
02:23:48
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Oh, okay. Um, I'll go through this quickly, but, uh, again, I grew up without my dad. I grew up an only child. So I grew up very lonely. Um, and something was instilled in me a long time ago that like, I wanted to find my person in life. Um, I literally already have plans about how I'm going to propose and how, like what I want in our wedding. There's like certain things that I want to do. Um,
02:24:16
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Damn, I can't believe I'm saying it publicly and I hope no one does it. I mean, I want to share it's a cool idea and again, I really hope no one does it, but if anyone does, this will be on the record that I said it first. I would still hate to see it happen.
02:24:34
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That whole scene where he spells out, I love you on the bridge. I want to do that and make that our proposal. That'd be pretty dope. That'd be nice. Right? Yeah. Damn, you're got a lucky wife. I'm just going to walk down the stream like, hey, guess what? Wedding. Guess what? Wedding. Guess what? We're in debt.
02:25:01
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Yeah, I mean, I'm a huge, uh, brand jester guy. For anyone that knows how I met your mother, I'm a Ted Mosby. That's how I met her. Oh, no, naturally I am, too. I just don't have the pocket change right now to be Ted Mosby-ing it.
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02:25:16
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I also need a girlfriend before I can Ted Mosby here. That's gonna be super expensive, man, for me to do. Oh.
02:25:24
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No, you're gonna get cast in a Spider-Man movie and make a lot of money. You're gonna tire us to work on your movies. We're gonna make a nice solid amount of money. Of course, working conditions. You're gonna be like, okay guys, you need to film six podcasts a day. I will be your guest and we'll just talk about my life. Okay. And they all need to be edited by the end of the day. Oh, we'll send to our other guy. We won't do it. We have a guy who's working more.
02:25:53
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Right. Honestly, like if something like that happens in the future where you do need to make that many podcasts, like I'm sure the whole AI editing will definitely help out a lot. Yeah, for sure. Oh, I'm not all for AI taking over work. But for my own things, if I had my own podcast to edit, because I don't have money to outsource, like, yeah, I'll do the auto podcast for sure. I'm surprised you don't have a podcast.
02:26:18
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I literally had, well, it's because I really wanted the in-person type of podcast. Like, I really love that aspect. And I really like, I want to decorate my set. And yeah, I mean, if I do it like this, I've been on another one, FoggyPancakes, shout out to them. I don't know, I never thought about it. And I, again, I don't have money to outforce. I struggle with my own editing. There's a lot of content that I had to post this month and I'm just like, I have so much going on.
02:26:45
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I also have ADHD for anyone watching, you know how it is getting shit done. So I'm following you. Oh, okay. That's, that's another thing about our movie. It's not just going to be about wanting to take your own life with being depressed. We're going to talk about again, the characters that have their own issues that they'll all be
02:27:06
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unique mental health illnesses that people have. And I guess I could say this publicly that we were considering Spider-Man having ADHD also, but I also, I don't want to pack everything into it, so we probably won't do that. I don't think it'll help the story either. I think Andrew Garfield has ADHD.
02:27:31
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He might. Possibly. He is so jittery. You could tell, yeah, the jitteriness, the hyper-fixation when he's creating and the whole web scene where he's fixing the web shooter. He has that hyper-focus. When he's talking as Spider-Man, yeah, I see it. He might have. A lot of people say that Tom probably has ADHD, but I don't know. Maybe they just make him childish in my opinion.
02:27:59
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Yeah, I don't see it. I think it's just the childishness there, you know. Yeah, because I feel like with Andrews, this is this is probably the last point about age. So I'm going to make is that his in this is just my opinion. Don't get mad at me. Don't not trying to aggravate any fans out there. The reason why Andrews, my Spider-Man is once I grew up on him and.
02:28:23
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the way he's able to show his emotions with just the plain eyes and the way he moves his hand motions the way he moves his head when he's just annoyed and trying to it's coming up on the screen behind Jeremy is when he's telling when she can't be there and he's like moving his arms he's like you can't be here and he gets every emotion across while Tom I think
02:28:43
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I was not a bad actor. He does have the eyes that move, which do help him with some of the performance stuff. Not saying what he does, a lot of his stunts and stuff. So he is great. But Andrew has to show off those emotions so much. He does that so well. And that's kind of back to my point earlier. That's kind of where Toby was lacking.
02:29:04
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Like, literally, I'm just imagining the scene right now in Spider-Man 3 where he jumps into the car and he's like, calm down, tough guy. Like, he's literally standing still. Like, I can't tell if he's actually talking or if he was just a voice-over, you know? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Harder to move in. Right, yeah. I love that, yeah.
02:29:35
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I love this part when he plays Itsy Bitsy Spider. I know not everyone. He's like, I hate this song. I hate this song and just get smoked. I thought that was so cheesy, but I thought that was funny. And I didn't think about it being a whole dubstep thing until people mentioned it.
02:29:55
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Hans Zimmer went for it with a score. He's the craziest thing I've ever done. Dude, like, if anything, I hope everyone agrees that the fucking score for this movie is amazing. No pun intended. I'm not gonna lie, I might play it at the end of our video for this. It might play at the end. Oh, that'd be like a good outro, yeah. Right here. Yeah, there it is. What are you doing? He's frustrated. He's literally using his legs to kind of kick the air.
02:30:24
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you can't be you're shaking his head yeah honestly it kind of with the amazing spider-man one it kind of weirded me out at first and my dad my dad is still weirded out by it because he's not really a movie guy let alone a spider-man movie guy yeah when it first came out I was like he needs to
02:30:42
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feel a little bit. But no, I like it now. But like I remember the car scene where the guy gets he breaks into the car and he's just that's one of the best see small knives. Or even before they get out of the car where he's just like
02:30:58
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Wait, he's like, are you a cop? He's like, seriously? Seriously think I'm a cop. Cops, skintight, red and blue suit. Like, he was really shaking his head. And I like, in the trailer, they showed a clip of that. And that really caught me off guard for a second. But yeah, I know. I like it. I really do. And then he's like, keeps webbing the door. And he's like, the window? Yeah, he has the window. Yeah. I love this. Dude. This whole fight is so gross. What you said, sequence. There's no, in my opinion, there's no bad CGI during that part.
02:31:27
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and that actual set is a lot so a lot of those beams are really there because there's you know the shot when you first hear goblin laugh after he comes flying in so that was him on like a roller coaster thing coming through oh shit it's crazy it's one of the i think it's one of the biggest superhero sets is like the whole grids area they made
02:31:48
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It's pretty cool. It's really cool. It's really cool. It's like they basically remade Times Square. Times Square, but also other parts of New York. Yeah. Even though the final shot with Rhino is the real street, they shut down to try and get that shot. Right, dude. That's insane. Yeah, they went for it.
02:32:03
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that yeah that's that's another thing about tom holland's movies they're getting less believable because it's all cgi literally and i get like no way home it was like during covid so i get the whole like bleaker street dr strange and like you can see people in the background
02:32:19
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everything is CGI. I mean, that one part where they're at is not, but it's covered in CGI. So it's the point. It's just the door. It's beautiful. Yeah. And his suit is also beautiful. Also covered in CGI. The people walking in the background were CGI. Again, that they were out of focus. So it doesn't matter. But like, it's consistent with Tom's movies in Far From Home, the fight on the bridge.
02:32:42
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None of it. It was so fast paced and none of it felt real because it was just all CGI. And then the moment where, you know, he jumps from, he swings because he has a plan and then he like webs all the drones and, you know, he's kind of like flipping in slow motion. He looks like a blender figure just.
02:33:01
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rotating in midair when andrew does it he literally like twists his body and like his legs twist in the slow motion suit move with him yeah way that you're actually yeah dude i'm sure marvel has heard us talk about how the cgi looks way too fake on his suit like yeah in homecoming it was a little worse it looks like his skin um
02:33:23
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I think he was far from home where he, oh yeah, where he's swinging in his phone. In the trailer, the teaser, he was wearing the homecoming suit. But in the final cut, it was, you know, when he's texting MJ. But when you look at the original version with the homecoming suit, because of how bad the CGI is, like his wrist is like half his size, like it's so skinny and the suit's like, there's no thickness at all. It looks like his skin.
02:33:51
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But again, the CGI, that could be a whole conversation. That could be a whole other podcast. Andrew's the suit rippling when he's falling in the air, when he's twisting.
02:34:04
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It all looks believable to me. The parts where I think it's full CGI, it looks real to me. Sam Raimi did good with Tobis, where he would cut back and forth to look, like, you know, blend it in. Especially the scene where he's falling, losing his powers, you know, hits the side, falls on the ground. When he gets back up, then it turns to practical. Like, it looks, yeah, he did good with that. Tazm did good with this.
02:34:30
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Now it's just time for, uh...
CGI Effects and Future Hopes for Spider-Man
02:34:32
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Tom to... Yeah. Well, not Tom's. Like, Marvel. Yeah, yeah, but Tom's, yeah. Whoever's doing the CGI... Yeah, because now Tom's rushing them to do CGI. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And they have the perfect spot to do it, where they can say, like, oh, the Stark-made suits were so skin-tight, but now he just made his own suit. So you have the ability to write, this is looser, just go for it. It's so easy right now, but will they do it? And that suit could end up being probably the best suit. That suit's done right. It looks amazing, just that last scene.
02:35:01
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I will say, and I will probably get a bunch of fire for this from in the comments. I'll say the first part first. I didn't like the last swing. Didn't like it at all in No Way Home. It's all CGI. Yeah, I mean, it's all CGI, which again, I expected. But that body, that model does not look like Tom at all. It looks like a video game.
02:35:29
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Yeah, to me like it. It's because I've also studied him, you know, trying to stand like him. Like I know his shoulders. I know his posture. I know Andrew's posture because I had to stand differently in the suit when I got it.
02:35:41
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And that's why it looks weird to me in No Way Home, how he's all like this with his shoulders, rather. Dude, like, Andrew stands with his shoulders down. Like, he has a long neck. And he, like, tilts his head up a lot, too. That's how Andrew stands. Tom, like, shrugs up. But yeah, the model didn't look like him at all. The swinging was, if you, I don't know if you specifically noticed, but if you look back to when he jumps off and the camera swings with him, every time he changes direction, the camera changes direction.
02:36:10
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which annoys the hell out of me. I don't feel like I'm swinging with him. The camera's not in the air with him, but I don't feel like I'm swinging with him, and it's like, I don't get dizzy, but if I could, it would deal with that.
02:36:21
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Yeah, it's literally the opposite direction. And there's this deleted scene, you guys might have seen it, where in Spider-Man 3, he swings in the daytime with his black suit. Have you guys seen that deleted scene? There's a lot of people were like, what are these physics where he like, you know, takes the web like this and like spins and like, kind of lets it stretch. The camera did this a similar thing where the camera rotates around him when it's when he's doing something. And a lot of no one said anything about
02:36:51
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the last swing and the last part of it for everyone watching i'm sorry but i really hate the new suit i'm not gonna hate only because until i see a real version of it yeah right right yeah okay okay that's what i was gonna say i hate it as of now because it's all cgi and
02:37:14
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Maybe they'll do another Civil War homecoming thing where it'll look a lot better in Spider-Man 4. But I also hope that the reason why it's so shiny is because it was meant to be made in this for the snow. So I wouldn't mind if they do change it in another one, which they're kind of doing too much, but whatever. Other than it being CGI,
02:37:36
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I still really hate the suit. I don't like that the blue is so shiny. I don't like the shade of blue. I don't like the logo. It looks like one of the worst concepts for Spider-Man PS4. It looks like you thought the homecoming and far from home one looked too techie with a hexagon shape. This one is less techie, but more of that
02:38:06
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It's like the same person designed it. Yeah. And they probably designed by the same person. And yeah, I just, there's nothing about that new logo that will ever make me draw it. You know, that's, that's how you know, the logo is good in school. I would draw Toby's logo. I would draw Andrew's logo. People get tattoos of Tom Toby's and Andrew's logo, but I don't know if anyone will ever get a tattoo of the new logo. Yeah. Um, and, uh,
02:38:36
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yeah i mean the eyes is like i guess it's comic accurate but the fact that it's his own new suit without the stark technology it didn't show it moving but i feel like that would have been a chance to make it a little different too i hope his eyes don't move in the new one yeah just stationary make him do his yeah because when he made his home his homecoming homemade suit the eyes didn't move huh
02:39:03
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They don't move. No. I'm coming. The goggles. The goggles. Civil War they move. Well, no, no. I'm talking about the homemade one. Do they have goggles? The goggles. Yeah, they don't move. Yeah. I thought they did for some reason. I couldn't be completely wrong. You could be right, but I don't know. I think it's just the shape where you think it would move. Yeah, it could just be like my brain getting used to the Stark one. I'm just thinking it does, but I don't know. Jeremy, our son's on.
02:39:33
Speaker
God, Ryan was pointing at me while you were talking. He's like, you see what's happening? Oh, he was. Yeah. Josh. Yeah, I mean, Ryan, even though you don't like this movie, I don't know how you feel about this entire scene. But again, the crying is just the most realistic I've seen in a movie. Ryan's putting up the L sign for Gwen Stacy that she took an L. Take an L.
02:40:02
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So he's just like, he's not going to bounce back. He's just hyperventilated, trying to catch his best friend. I know, like this is how I cry. Oh no, his crying is great. And right here, he says, I can't do this without you. And he can't. That's why I love the scene, the way when he explains how dark he got. And then they came out and said that he became a fuck boy. I was like, why do you need to tell us this? I don't get to know Andrew out there banging. That's not my business.
02:40:33
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Oh, God, that scene, man. Yeah. And just seeing Andrew, Andrew cry is just, he's got a good crying face. He's good at crying. And, you know, we all love him with how sweet he is. Like, it just makes the experience a lot better.
02:40:52
Speaker
And I just think, even outside of Spider-Man, he's an incredible actor. Like, he doesn't. Yeah. Well, outside of Spider-Man, the other two have had not as strong careers. Toby has definitely had a couple movies that worked. I went through Tom Bond's filmography. You know he has, like, one successful critic movie. Oh, yeah. He keeps trying. He tries. I think he just genuinely tries that. I don't think. Which one was it?
02:41:22
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devil all the time and says, uh, no, we're, lost city of Z is his best reviewed movie. Is it really? Yeah. And that's what Rob rates and Charlie Hundl. Well, not counting Spider-Man, not counting. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Um, the devil all the time is the one with Robert Pattinson. No, no, he's done two with Pattinson. Yeah. Wait, that's his most, that's crazy. That's how I interviewed. He has, I thought it was, he has two movies outside of Spider-Man that are above a 60. Wow.
02:41:52
Speaker
What's the other one? I could have sworn I saw a lost city of Z because that was the one that was delayed too, right? No, that's a lot. What's the one? Are you thinking about the one chain, Tatum?
02:42:10
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No, he lost to be a Z came out in like 2014. That's the one with Daisy Ridley, right? No, that's no. What is that? Oh, I was walking. I was walking. Horrible. That is a crazy thing that you just said. That is that reason that you brought it up. That is great because when this podcast started.
02:42:28
Speaker
it was an inside joke that we called this the chaos walking podcast because we kept talking about it but we just never do an episode so when we finally filmed the first episode and he put it out i got him a gift i just went to target and then bought the dvd of chaos walking and i'm like chaos walking podcast we did it baby
02:42:46
Speaker
Oh my god. I haven't thought of that movie in two years. That was the one that was delayed, right? Yeah, like a thousand times. Crazy. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't watch it, but it still sucked. Six different duos went through it. Wow. It's not good. But yeah, to your point, outside of Spider-Man, both Tom and Toby, not so strong, but yeah, in my opinion, even if Andrews hasn't become like
Success of Spider-Man Actors Outside the Franchise
02:43:16
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big box office movie outside of Spider-Man. I feel like Paxile Ridge is one of my favorite movies. What's it called? Tick Tick Boom. For everyone watching, don't get mad at me, but I don't like musical movies, but I like that movie. Same with Ryan. Yeah, same here. Under the Silver Lake was a weird movie, but I enjoy watching Andrew. I think it's because I just like it.
02:43:42
Speaker
Yeah. The whole. No, we're still recording. We're good. You're not recording. So now it's just me and Jeremy right now without my stupid co-host. Can't refresh your page. Oh, does it show it on your end? Yeah, it says. Oh, well, yeah, now I see two of us now.
02:44:07
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He's coming back. But going into that scene that you're watching. Oh, there he goes to that scene right there. I love just because I firmly believe she knows he's Spider-Man. Yeah. Oh, yeah. The scene in the room, are you talking about when she says? Wait, how does she how does she hit it in the room?
02:44:42
Speaker
No way. Okay. Scared the shit out of me. Dude, what if we, like, weren't recording the last app? Oh my god. Oh, it's the worst when that happens. We've recorded, like, hour and a half podcasts. Damn. Yeah. Okay.
02:45:07
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The last thing, what I was saying was what line did she say when she hinted at knowing? I didn't hear anything. Not that I know. Oh. Yeah.
02:45:37
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The fact that she wrote it herself. You know what else I love about this Spider-Man? He fucking loves his girlfriend. She's all over his wall. Yeah. Their memories and their pictures. She's even on the closet door when you open it. I mean, that's what I do too, honestly.
02:46:09
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You should put the... We're having... Wow, it's just me now. What happened? Yeah, we're good. I'll just wait here. Oh, there we go. All right. Is that good? Yep. All right, cool. Okay, there we go. Are you guys for a sec?
02:46:33
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Oh, you're in the middle now. This is weird. Yeah, this is weird. We all switch spots now on my screen. He's literally in the closet. The picture's like, oh, wait, wait. It's about to show up. Outside the cafe. The shot. Come on. I think after this.
02:46:53
Speaker
Right there. I don't know if you guys can see from there, but that's her in the denim shirt with the ponytail. Oh, with the denim shirt. Wow. It was on the behind the scenes. You see her in that denim shirt with her hair coming over her shoulder. Yeah. Yep. That's right. Why just not have her face to the screen, God damn it. I know. Why not though? Right. If you're going to cut it, just at least whatever. But yeah. Well, for the sake of
02:47:21
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both this recording not losing what we have done so far. Does anyone have any final thoughts to shout out to everyone about the Tazm movies and Spider-Man Total? The Tazm movies I will say one of the notes is that
02:47:37
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I saw Kevin Feige had notes. I don't know if that's real, but if it is, the notes that I saw were really good. He like basically fixed the Amazing Spider-Man 2, uh, for anyone that doesn't know what I'm talking about. Just, I'm sure if you look it up on TikTok, TikTok is a good version and you'll be able to find it. Um, other than that. But yeah, just, I love Amazing Spider-Man 2. Hell yeah. Hit me for it and I don't care.
02:48:05
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Can't say the same, but...
02:48:08
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I'll never knock anybody's love for these movies, besides yours, of course, because it's funny. I was going to say, I was like, I can hate it. If anybody truly loves these movies, I'm never going to yell at you and call you a moron or like stoop or anything besides Tommy. That's okay.
Future Podcast Plans and Marvel Taunt
02:48:22
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We're just hacking. I think they're both very, very flawed movies with some very, very great bright spots. There you go. That's good. Before we get to you, I feel like
02:48:36
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When, like our very last line, we should be like, I'm Ryan, I'm Tommy, I'm Jeremy, and I love the Amazing Spider-Man. He cuts in and he's like, and I hate the Amazing Spider-Man. See you in the next video, in the next podcast. Yo, we're, first off, before we do anything, we will definitely be having you on again if you're down for that. Cause I have had, I mean,
02:48:57
Speaker
We've done one other episode that's been over two hours, and we did have a lot of fun. This was a lot easier two hours. It was less like having to work, and more just having a really nice conversation. Because that one was reviewing the entire MCU. That wasn't fun. He watched every MCU movie in like a week. Oh my gosh, it was torture. But yeah, my last thoughts on the main Spider-Man are that these two movies are iconic. And in my opinion, they are the best portrayal that we've ever had of the iconic web slinger.
02:49:26
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Andrew Garfield is amazing in these roles. This role. Emma Stone, you're iconic and beautiful and one of my favorite actors in the world. And Sally Fields, you're one sexy woman. I love you to death. And, uh, yeah, before you write all that down. No, I thought about that. Oh, it looked like you were reading the screen. I'm like, there's no way he wrote this. Hey, bro. Hey, I'm looking at the screen at home.
02:49:54
Speaker
Tell the people they're like sitting down as black. That could be one of the clips, honestly. I know. It would have been so funny if you had wrote, Sally Fields, you sexy motherfucker. I didn't say sexy motherfucker. Really, that could be one of the clips. She is. No, honestly, I want you to know. I'll agree with you. Like, she's a good looking woman. She is. You could go back and look at her like younger. Yeah. Yeah. So I love those movies. And Jeremy, do you want to tell everyone, even though 2.6 million of them know where you're located?
02:50:24
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Where would everyone else that doesn't follow you find you?
02:50:28
Speaker
Again, my name is Jeremy. I'm mostly known as the International Spider-Man, which if you search it up, it will pop up, but for whatever reason, you can't find it. I actually had to change my name to Deroma Official, which is my last name, D-E-R-O-M-A, Official. International Spider-Man is still my display name as far as today. That's why it pops up, but yeah, International Spider-Man or Deroma Official.
02:50:55
Speaker
I'm excited to be on the podcast again because, I don't know, maybe this is where I'll announce the title of our video. Yo, we're again. Uh-oh. If everyone's listening, we hit too many, a million, actually we're not even gonna hit that. If we had 10,000 followers, we would have Jeremy on again to announce the title on Instagram. I don't care about all the other ads. Yeah, I don't know, we'll see. Yeah, we'll see. We're definitely gonna have one anyway, just for the numbers. But no, this was a lot of fun. I've had an absolute blast. I'm happy I got to rewatch the main Spider-Man's
02:51:25
Speaker
and got to show Ryan how just incredible of a movie The Amazing Spider-Man 2 is. Try it. What? He showed me. He said you tried. Make sure to continue listening to us on Spotify, Apple Music, Google Podcast, anywhere else you find podcasts. Make sure to follow us on TikTok. We don't have 2 million followers, but still come and follow us. We make some funny content, I guess. And where else, Ryan?
02:51:52
Speaker
For us? Thank you guys so much for getting us nominated for the People's Choice Awards. We will make sure to check out the stream on September 30th to see if we win. Marvel, you're going down. Your podcast sucks. We're better. I just want you guys to understand that. And yeah, thank you guys so much for tuning in, and we will see you all next week. See ya.