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Lost In The Slashers - Psycho
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Spooktober continues, and we're discussing none other than Alfred Hitchcocks, Psycho. We talk about how this film shaped horror as we know it today as well as create our own Mt. Rushmore of slasher villains!
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Unexpected Visitor Interrupts Plans
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What a long day. think I'm going to hop in the shower.
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Oh, I think someone's knocking at the door. Hold on, I'm coming. I'm coming. Oh my god, it's... It can't be. It's... It's lost in the frame.
Introduction to 'Lost in the Frame' Podcast
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Welcome back to Lost in the Frame. I'm your host Malik. I'm your host Alex. I'm your host Tachi. And today we are excited to bring you our slasher episode, if you could not tell.
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Was that our highest production intro yet? Maybe. think so. I like it. but You guys like it? Yeah. This really good. Thank you. The ah the knocking. I don't know if you guys heard it on your side, but it was like knocking on one ear and then knocking on the other.
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hope it comes through like that on the on the finished episode. It didn't come through like that in my headphones, unfortunately. OK. right. That's OK. That's OK. Hey, guys. How are you?
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exhausted yeah I'm sorry, Alex. you yeah ah How was your last few days for you?
Recounting a Hectic Week
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Well, so on Monday, I drove to Dallas and went to a boot camp for my new job.
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Spent like three days there. Drove back today, left at Dallas at noon, got back at 530. I watched the movie we're covering today in this episode and finished five minutes before I logged on to to record.
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That's awesome. It's 811 right now, and um I still have to pack for a trip tomorrow. so Do you drink energy drinks? No. All right, that's good.
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Yeah. Do you want to try? No. Have you ever? Yes. Okay. All right. I had a phase of energy drinks. They're not good for you.
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know Speaking of drinks, you guys know Warheads? Yeah. They have a soda at ATB, and I tried it yesterday. The watermelon watermelon sour or whatever.
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Wasn't it good? It was garbage. I was really hoping you'd say it was good. I wanted it to be good. I did a whole little review in the truck after we got back. and it just talked nobody or no cam was in the car with me oh i started filming and she didn't even tell her i was doing it have we ever seen them in the same room him and yes cam yes cam's been buried for 10 years
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i'm going to overplay that sound today I sure hope
Spooky Stories Begin
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so. um Before we hop into it, I want to tell you guys a quick story. ah You guys already know it, but the listeners might find it interesting.
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So this was, you know, we've been we've been opening and closing while we've been closing our episodes with um like a spooky true story that like we or a member of our family has experienced.
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And so actually kind of wanted to open today's with a spooky story because this is lost in the frame related. um So. This was the either the night of or the night after we recorded our perfect blue Belladonna episode.
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um We use a Shure mic, all three of us do, and it plugs into like a Focusrite. don't know what you call this thing. It's like a box that plugs into my computer. Audio interface.
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Audio interface. There we go. Let's go. Shure and Focusrite. sponsor us um and so if you've ever used one of these things uh the mic doesn't really pick up anything that isn't right in front of it i mean so for the listeners i am now sitting maybe four feet back from my desk and i'm kind of raising my voice and i bet you don't really hear me that well uh so when we record these um we're kind of sitting right up against them um
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you know If I lean in and do this, it probably sounds a bit weird, but ah they recommend probably about like a fist length between ah the mic and your mouth. So I'm in the other room and I'm either.
00:04:44
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Well, I'm ah I'm playing Stardew Valley and doing a lot of that lately. Nice. And my dad's watching baseball, but I'm talking to him on the phone. I really talk to him all day. And um when whatever he was watching, the Experian Boost commercial came on the one with the cow.
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um And so i was making fun of it. ah And I did the, you know, boost like the cow does in the commercial. It's like a weird noise to make. um So we're talking after I do that and I'm sitting there playing a game and he's talking about um whatever was happening in the baseball game.
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And I hear from the office in my house, and I hear my computer go off Siri. Siri. I have a Mac, so Siri's going off on my computer. and she's like, mm-hmm.
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Like listening? Okay, let me think about that. Hmm, I didn't find anything for that. So like, what? And so I go in my office room and it's plugged into the Focusrite audio interface, Sponsor Us.
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And so my computer's open, the mic's on, and it's still the primary sound input for my computer.
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ah So I'm thinking, oh, man, like I didn't realize it could pick me up from that far away. There must be a ton of background noise when we film this. But then I remembered there is a little green circle on the audio interface that goes off when you talk into it.
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So I set up my phone and I pointed it at the light. I took a video and I walked in the other room, walked in the living room, and I made the Experian boost noise again, among other things, just trying to be loud to see if it would pick that up.
00:06:34
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And when I reviewed the video, it did not. So whatever made my computer turn on and Siri voice activate was right in front of this microphone. I'm not saying it was L to the M, but it it could have been L to the M. I wouldn't rule it out.
00:06:54
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The concept of a ghost interested in podcasting is really funny. We probably said something like, get out. It sounded like, hey, Siri.
00:07:05
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After our Gonjom episode, my story is not as a descriptive. It was very quick, and I forgot about it instantly because I wasn't going to mess around with it. But after our first Spooktober episode, our living room light flickered.
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When we were watching TV. who And Ken was like, did you do that? And i was like, phone's not on me. We're moving on. And then we just didn't bring it up.
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You're ignoring the signs. As you should. like I i and think that's what I said I would do in that kind of situation. don't even know if I would address it. Just say no thank you.
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But just keep moving. Yeah.
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Did I, I sent you guys the text, uh, the text between my brother and I, he told me he yeah he was yeah watching Ganjim Asylum. I sent him and a voice note of that and he was like, bro, I'm not opening that shit.
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And I was like, what? I was like, it's nothing scary. I was like, I was just, I'm, I'm in bed and I didn't want to reply in the text. And he's like, I'm not opening it until the daytime.
Horror Movie Recommendations and Discussions
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Did you think he was dumb? Cause it was like three seconds long.
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He ah yeah, he he enjoyed it or didn't. But it scared him. Good.
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We got another victim. We do. Do you guys have any um horror movie recommendations for me to watch? I have I have not. I've been really bad at watching movies this month. I don't guys, but I'm not I'm on like three movies.
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I'm going to watch the original ring at some point this month. Ringu. OK, I'm OK.
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I have watched some scary movies, though. What have you seen? I watched A Quiet Place, day one. Not bad. That's where you got that review. Yeah. um And then yesterday, I watched The Vich.
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oh You did? yeah with Anya. How was it? i mean Let us know. so very Very unsettling. um Really...
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I know. all right I don't like Black Phillip. What'd you think? I heard he was a menace on set. yeah Literally like this bad to work with. No, it was actually it was unsettling. It was scary.
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um Really grim. Really, really good setting for that type of story. Yeah. um A little of it was confusing.
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I'm sure that was partly by design because I i don't like it when movies you know spell out everything anyways. But no, it was it was really well done. um i guess I liked it. I mean, it was good. so By confusing, do you think you mean just maybe someone like the dialogue since it's old timey English?
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It's kind of hard to follow. I guess because I was getting swept up in it and not really knowing what's going on like the family was. More so of that. Okay. Yeah. Got it.
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the ah The other two horror movies I've watched this month are Hell House LLC, found footage. My sister recommended it to me three years ago. That one's been on my watch list for so long.
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It's solid, really interesting premise. I liked it. And then a Korean movie called The Wailing, which that is also on my watch list. Super trippy. um I really liked it. It it ah it's worth the watch.
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It's long, but it's worth the watch. Like 90 percent of my watch list. They are horror movies. Anytime I'm on TikTok and someone recommends something, I'll watch like 10 seconds of their review and then I just immediately add it.
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It's.
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yeah there's I kind of need to check out your watch list and be like... This could be a good... Just a good little ah little start find out to get some to horror movies. Yeah, i got The Wailing here.
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and then, Hell House LLC.
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Some of these have to be bad. Some of these posters look bad. um Cam and I watched a movie the other day called The Animal Kingdom. ah It was released in 2023, directed by Thomas Cayley. Mm-hmm.
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French movie. This is the synopsis in a world hit by a wave of mutations, transforming humans into animals. Francois does everything he can to save his wife. As some of the creatures disappear into a nearby forest, he and their son, Emil embark on a quest that will change their lives forever.
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Both of us. so you love Great review for it. Yeah. Five stars from both of us. Nearly cried. No one, and only one other person on my letterbox had seen it. I'd never even heard of this.
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It looked like it had some type of premiere at con back in 2023, but I don't know this just didn't make it big in the U S but I would recommend it.
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It was very well-made, beautiful movie. All right. It's on my watch list. Now there are some crazy movies on your, uh,
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On your watch list for horror. Which is... Crazy in a good way? Yeah. Yes. There's a lot of bangers on here. There's also We have a lot of overlap.
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There's also some where...
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i'm not so sure. you know?
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How did you say it like that? Well, I mean, im i'm I'm not so sure. I mean... Like they can't all be bangers. OK, we all know that.
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You got to mix the good with the bad, and that's what makes the great movies just that much better. Like, do do you really need to watch Halloween ends? I have seen Halloween ends. Well, it's on your watch list.
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Maybe i just never rated it. I remember not liking it, though.
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Don't judge my watch list. I don't think I know that I am publicly see. Yep. Watch this. That's pretty cool. how I'm judging so hard. You you have a lot of bangers on here, though, so I can't hate too much.
00:13:33
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Good. Good. Oh, my mom started watching Lost in Translation, by the way. So banger. I need to. Nice. Banger. need to watch that, too. Have you guys had allergies recently?
00:13:46
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Yeah, I have. I've been stuffy and sneezing. I sneezed six times in a row the other day consecutively in like 30 seconds. I hate it.
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It felt good at the end of the sixth sneeze. I was like, wow, I'm never going to sneeze again. Isn't the sixth sneeze that move with that movie with ah Bruce Willis where he's dead at the end of it? Close.
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It's the sixth cough. Oh, gee. Yeah. It hurts after six, by the way. It does. You start getting a headache. My record is 18, I really...
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I swear to God, i don't know if I could have survived a 19th.
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Why were you counting? Because it got to a certain point and I just... It gets to a point. i had to know science. in pepper factory? I was ah leaving a soccer practice field. i got in my car and I was driving away and I just started a sneezing and I couldn't stop.
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and While you were driving? I mean, I wasn't going fast. I was leaving the field. Okay. but I mean, this is all in like 30 seconds. Like, I'm not even past the field yet. That's crazy. That's about a sneeze every second and a half.
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Yeah, it was brutal. Like, the the water wouldn't stop coming out of my eyes. And my face hurt so bad.
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We should test it. like where How many sneezes until a human dies? Until they pass. You want to test that. Yeah, but not on me. like We'll find someone. You just got yourself on a list. like Maybe it's the 19th sneeze. Alright, listeners. Whoever can get the most sneezes and lives wins.
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If you die, you don't win. But tell us, if you do die, tell us how many sneezes it took. okay Do it with somebody. Record the videos. That way, if you do pass, we got proof. Also, we're sorry you died if you do so.
00:15:40
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But no responsibility. Thank you for listening. we We signed a form that said no responsibility. We give a lot of great legal advice on this pod. Should we talk about a movie?
Impact of 'Psycho' on Film History
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Yeah, let's get into Psycho. Okay. First question. Have you guys seen this before? No. Yes. I hadn't. Tachi, think last time you said you watched it in high school, right? But you were just like... Yeah, around there.
00:16:07
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Probably for some, um I know, artsy, artsy-fartsy class. Tachi put it on around like a bunch of girls or something. He's like, i don't think it's scary. He wouldn't pay attention. He's like, I'm not scared. Had my arms crossed cross my chest. That big deal.
00:16:24
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Smacking some gum. Yeah. I mean, I think we all know. Everyone knows what Psycho is. And I think we all know. sound. We all know the sound.
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And the impact that it had on horror movies. So I think this was a good one to kick off our our slasher discussion. um i mean, I'll just ask real quick. What do guys think?
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I liked it a lot. I mean, it's a good movie. Yeah. I don't think I've watched a Hitchcock movie yet that I did not like. He's a wizard. Yep. This was my first Hitchcock movie.
00:17:00
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That is insane. Is it? Yeah, sure it is. I, I feel like this is a safe space to admit that. That's almost up there with not seeing a Bond movie. Yeah, that is up there.
00:17:15
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I'm sorry. Well, you're just given. There's just so many.
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um To open it up, I wanted to talk about this article from CBR discussing the birth of a slasher. And there were a few points of this. i Did you guys get to ah read over this a little bit?
00:17:34
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No, I can just finished watching the movie. Okay.
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Well, yeah, I'll skim it a little bit. There's something called The Haze Code that I thought was interesting that I hadn't heard of before, which is what this movie helped break, which is why it helped define the genre of horror. But before Psycho, so this movie was released in 1960.
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So the 40s, that's considered the golden age of Hollywood. Horror at that time was thriving on sci-fi and monsters. So think of like your Frankenstein, your Creature of the Black Lagoon, like all the universal monsters.
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That was kind of the way to that people were getting their their fixation on horror. This was kind of helping them normalize some of the things that like some of the themes that these universal monster movies would tackle that otherwise could be seen as taboo.
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And so how psycho redefined, uh, redefined the genre was by breaking the haze code and the haze code. was a set of self-imposed moral censorship guidelines for a Hollywood films enforced from 1934 to 1968. It was created to avoid government censorship and maintain a positive public image, and it prohibited content such as profanity, suggestive nudity, graphic violence, and depictions of homosexuality and interracial relationships.
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You know the term where it's like something's like whatever coded? Yeah. That comes from the Hays Code. Really? yep You see it a lot with movies that are like queer coded.
00:19:14
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That were like sneakily gay. There is a Hitchcock movie um that's famously breaks the haze code in this kind of way. And it's very queer coded.
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And its name is I always like forget everything that I want to talk about in this podcast. And it's unprofessional. It's called rope. There you go.
00:19:39
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Alfred Hitchcock's rope, 1948. ah James Stewart starred in it. um But it's very famously like a like a queer movie.
00:19:50
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I did not know that. Nice.
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um Some of the key aspects of the Hays Code were to prevent government censorship and guide Hollywood's content to align with moral standards by regulating what was shown on screen. The Hays Code was officially replaced in 1968 by the MPAA film rating system, which is your G, PG, PG-13, rated R, which is still in use today.
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Don't forget NC-17 and X. NC-17 and X are also there for the MPAA ratings for you freaks out there. I remember like i was a little kid. I thought it was like, it's probably illegal to watch an NC-17 movie. That's what I used to think too.
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I've seen, I think a couple. Anyway, Psycho helped break some of these ah regulations. So it didn't. It wasn't the main ah reason for disassembling the Hays Code, but it kind of started the conversation and got movies to take more risks and lead to the breaking of the Hays Code. So, I mean, the movie opens, there's a couple just openly in an openly sexual relationship.
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And so just these things that like we take for granted that we that we see in movies, it's crazy to think that... 60 years ago, there was just such a taboo on so many things.
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So we can thank Alfred Hitchcock for helping break the Hays Code and give us the access to some of these things. Thanks, sweet dog. Belladonna of sadness.
00:21:24
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Thank you for Belladonna of sadness, Alfred Hitchcock. Yeah, thanks.
00:21:31
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One thing I thought was interesting, one taboo that was in Hollywood, this movie shows us the first ah depiction of a flushing toilet. Really?
00:21:43
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Yeah. That's psycho. That was taboo. They're do not... Film the toilet. Don't you dare. Don't you show that that log disappearing.
00:21:57
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We don't want to see it. We saw it. We saw it. High medium low for Psycho. Let's do it. Tachi, you got a high. So this one comes in from Tawny.
00:22:11
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Five stars. I could fix him. Well, Tawny, survey says probably not because there are three more movies and he's in all of them.
00:22:23
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He keeps doing it. He can't keep getting away with it. By the fourth movie, like, it's got to be like a thousand. How does he keep getting away with it?
00:22:36
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It's like, oh, come back here.
00:22:40
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We can't catch him. He's slippery as hell. I believe I'm in charge of our medium today. You are. um So I got a review by Dot Lily Dot. Like it's like a dot and then the word Lily and then like a dot.
00:22:54
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I got that. Nice. don't know she did that. how she did that. Me, an empath sensing that there is something wrong with Norman Bates. Three stars.
00:23:07
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This one star comes from Sophia. This movie was so fun because I got to watch it with the film boy who fronted like it was a good movie. And then we sat there watching it both like, wow, this actually fucking sucks.
00:23:19
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I think you suck, Sophia. Yeah, come on, Sophia. Clicker letter. What's her top four? Let's bash her. All right, let's see. Sophia.
00:23:33
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Four favorite films. Ginger Snaps. Never seen it. 13. Never seen it. Palo Alto. Never seen it. And Heathers.
00:23:44
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Never seen it. Let's look at ah some recent activity. She gave weapons three stars. Hmm. I don't think they watch a lot of movies. The last 10 are from 2023+. She gave Barbie three stars.
00:24:01
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Didn't rate Mission Impossible. That's a crime. She did give I Saw the TV Glow five stars, and that's that's goaded. That's wrong. That's correct. That is the correct rating. That's wrong. That's a beautiful movie. and It's...
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Yeah, we're not getting in that one today. I'm alone today. I'm ah okay. um Last one. she I saw it with you and you knew my feelings on it when I walked out.
00:24:30
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Whatever. She gave Joker to four and a half stars. Joker to that's the second Joker to shooter I've met. A good friend of the pod is a Joker to stand. have one question. Why?
00:24:44
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i don't know. Apparently it's I still have yet to see it. You still haven't seen it? I still have not seen Joker 2. Neither of you still have seen it. Nope. Okay, well, at least I've seen War Worlds.
00:24:55
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True. Ah, damn.
00:25:00
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I'll watch it soon. Please do. At some point. Alex, you had told me a fun trivia fact about um our boy, Anthony Perkins. Real quick before you say it, for the first 10 minutes, I saw like the when they're announcing the the title cards with the cast.
00:25:16
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I saw Anthony Perkins and I was thinking Anthony Hopkins. And when Norman Bates first comes on screen, i was like, that's Anthony Hopkins. I was like, looks so different. He was going to attempt.
00:25:29
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No, Anthony was that age back then. What age was he? Yeah, I wonder if he could have pulled off that age. I'm sure. I mean, 1960, how old is Sir Anthony Hopkins? He's pretty old. Imagine if Michael Caine was boring baits.
00:25:44
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That would be interesting. Anthony Hopkins, he is 87 years old. So in 1960, he would have been 23. Yeah, that's doable.
00:25:56
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Yeah, that is doable. ah Should have been him. Alex, let us know the what you told me before the pod about Anthony Perkins. Anthony Perkins is Osgood Perkins' dad. Osgood Perkins directed The Monkey, which was bad, and Long Legs, which is pretty good.
00:26:13
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And I think he's got something else coming out this year. He does. You know what? I like that he's just on this kick of releasing a new horror movie every 10 months. I think it's awesome.
00:26:25
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Good for him. That's pretty cool. He's like the anti Duffer brothers. Yeah. Anyway, this movie was directed by Alfred Hitchcock and it stars Anthony Perkins as Norman Bates, Vera Miles as lu Lila Crane, John Gavin as Sam Loomis, and Jeanette Lee as Marian Crane.
Appreciation for 'Psycho' and Its Influence
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Marian. Did I say Marian? Yeah. Marian, whatever. So we all like this. Yes. Yep. We can all call it that is our that it's our first time watching it basically.
00:27:01
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Basically. Sure. This movie's nuts. This movie's it's this it's it's just classic Hitchcock. If you liked this you'll like basically everything else he's directed. I got it. I got to get on it.
00:27:12
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The Birds North by Northwest. need to see 2001. I've seen 2001. Never mind. i've seen two thousand and one never mind Oh, my bad. That's Hitchcock, right?
00:27:23
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No, no, that's not Hitchcock. Wait, what are you talking about? That's Kubrick. Oh, yeah, yeah my background bad, my bad, my bad. Guys, we're... They're the same. yeah This is not a serious film podcast.
00:27:36
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They are the same person. The rear window is really goaded. you guys see Hitchcock's cameo in this? Nope. He was wearing a cowboy hat at 6 minutes and 35 seconds outside of Marion's office.
00:27:50
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No idea what it looks like. Yeah, Hitchcock was the OG Stan Lee. he So would he appear, he would do cameos in all of his movies? He does cameos in everything. And sometimes it's really obvious. And other times it's like, whoa, what?
00:28:04
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I didn't notice him in this one. Yeah, one of the fun facts I saw was he decided to have his cameo in this one be early enough so the audience could focus on the rest of the movie and the plot. So I guess i was just like a thing people would look forward to.
00:28:18
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It'd be hard for him to have a cameo in the last 45 minutes. Yeah.
00:28:23
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I mean, he could. Nothing like the last five. Yeah, I guess the last five. what yeah I mean, what if he would he could have been the guy giving the last ah last big monologue talking about the hell's wrong with that guy? True.
00:28:36
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Y'all ever been Universal Studios? No, I haven't. Okay. Oh, yes. hotel You have? Mm-hmm. In Orlando? We have. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we've done that. We've done that before.
00:28:48
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I think I went once when I was like 12. I remember doing the... It's just like the universal backlot ride thing. we kind of get You can see like some of the sets and they do like the jaws in the water. There's like fire on the water and then you see the ah psycho house.
00:29:06
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I always thought it was like creepy. I was just like, oh, that's cool. It's probably a movie I should watch. and It so shows up in Maxine. It does show up in Maxine. Yeah. We should have pulled a list of like...
00:29:18
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all of the Easter eggs this movie has in other horror movies. It'd be innumerable. I mean, the amount of times Psycho has been riffed or referenced. I mean, it's almost basically like the same plot as Perfect Blue, but like 40-something years earlier.
00:29:34
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Think about it.
00:29:39
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Kind of. Yeah. It's got the bones. Yeah. I mean, how how many... and And I mean, sure, Psycho was a book and Norman Bates was influenced by a real life serial killer, Ed Gein, who also influenced a couple other slasher killers we'll talk about on this list.
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um But.
00:30:05
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I mean, his like mental break, I feel like has been copied so many times. his like archetype because he is like the OG slasher. He's, he's why we're kicking off the episode by talking about psycho. I mean, i can't really think of another like human villain who captivated the screen.
00:30:28
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so early on in the film Canon. Yeah. Like Norman Bates was really ahead of his time. And I understand why this movie like broke the Hays code because it it It was a ah truly just for the ages performance. I mean, Anthony Perkins probably peaked with this, unfortunately. He's so good in this.
00:30:51
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He's so good in this. it's it's It's really interesting watching this movie so late. And... Going into it knowing the influence that the movie has had and seeing this character, thinking back on like all the horror movies we've seen and seeing this type of character just like over and over and over again and then getting to see the original.
00:31:11
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But you had brought up that, yes, this is adapted from a book. One thing that I thought was super interesting was Norman Bates in the book is written as like a short, ugly, just creepy looking dude.
00:31:24
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monster like we're saying the golden age back in Hollywood for the horror movies. It was through monster movies. So like that was the way to see something scary. We had we hadn't seen ah normal person.
00:31:37
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We hadn't seen someone even a handsome man. We hadn't seen a handsome man. Someone who looks well adjusted. He was Bundy before Bundy. Yeah. Because I mean, Anthony Perkins was handsome guy.
00:31:51
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Norman had a little bit of a little bit of aura. No, but he did little bit. Speaking of handsome men, Sam Loomis, the boyfriend.
00:32:03
Speaker
Oh, yeah. I mean, with Superman esque. it's There's so many hot people in this movie. This is a very attractive cast. The only thing psycho is how hot they all.
00:32:19
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There's your letterbox review. ah Janet Leigh's performance is Marion Crane.
00:32:26
Speaker
What we think? ah well I mean, the bait and switch was awesome. Yep. It feels like a you know traditional Hitchcock movie to start it off. And then it just pulls the rug out from under. I mean, this is this movie can't the 60s. Like, I'm not going to pretend like it's not been spoiled for you a thousand times. I mean, her dying in the first 30 minutes, I'm sure was shocking to the audience at the time.
00:32:48
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It was shocking to me. Yeah, it was shocking to me. And I knew what was going to happen. Yeah. Yeah. Like, how do you continue for another 45, 60 minutes without the lead? I had no idea. Like, I just always assumed that that scene happened towards the end.
00:33:05
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First of its kind to kill one of its main characters very early on in the film. I think we can directly look at Scream as taking inspiration from this for killing Drew Barrymore in the first five minutes.
00:33:20
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I got a funny story. Go. So is the sixth grade. And something we always did was we would have ah sleepovers at mine. We always watch a new horror movie.
00:33:32
Speaker
um we did scream one night there was always like seven or eight of us at the house you know in the basement my dad said you guys watch screams we watched scream and i remember my friend mike he uh we watch it and drew barrymore and you know hello sydney what's your favorite scary movie although sydney is uh uh nev campbell's character but you you get the gist of it so you know the the first phone called the drew barrymore happens and he was like drew barrymore is this movie is sick this is awesome
00:34:02
Speaker
Drew Barrymore gets murdered. Spoiler for the first five minutes of this movie that came out in the 90s. um If you haven't seen it, like get a grip, dude. Get a life. um And for the next 45 minutes, he was like, Drew Barrymore's gonna come back though, right? Like that was like that was like a, was like a flash forward, you know, she's gonna come back toward as the movie goes on, right?
00:34:27
Speaker
No, that was it. That was it. It was it. I mean, she was gone. Drew Barrymore was gone. And he didn't accept that. And every so often, even now, he's the commissioner of our fantasy football league.
00:34:39
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I'd be like, dude, Drew Barrymore.
00:34:43
Speaker
Bad news. And he's like, oh, man, not over it.
00:34:50
Speaker
I mean, yeah, I mean, they did do the bait and switch like in Psycho. Yeah. And Scream is such a meta movie. Like I love Scream. It's so good. It's so it's like the funniest movie, too.
00:35:02
Speaker
It is. It's so smart. I need to rewatch it. Do you guys know anything about the three other Psycho movies? No. and Norman Bates comes back.
Hitchcock's Investment and Success with 'Psycho'
00:35:12
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For sure.
00:35:13
Speaker
Return of the Bates. The first MCU end title screen, Norman Bates, will return.
00:35:22
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um For the making of this movie, was it you like Universal or NBC or whatever? Once they saw the script, they were displeased with Alfred Hitchcock.
00:35:35
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They took away budget, and Hitchcock wanted to make the movie so much he... foregoed some of its to his normal $250,000 salary, which is crazy for the 60s.
00:35:49
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that That is super crazy. The other crazy dollar figure that gets thrown out in Psycho is in the beginning of the movie, the $40,000 to buy a house cash. Yeah, that's about half a million in today's money. That's not even a down payment these days. $40,000 to buy a house.
00:36:04
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And that guy was just was just carrying around $40,000. Yeah, cash for my daughter. like That was rent, like $4. If could just go back in time.
00:36:18
Speaker
With the amount of money that we make now. Yeah. and would be We'd be living. um That guy did deserve to get robbed. Yeah, fuck that guy.
00:36:29
Speaker
Yeah. The worst. And then the the other receptionist, he was flirting with you. ah He wasn't flirting with me just because he saw my wedding ring.
00:36:42
Speaker
His movie is movie's also pretty funny. It's got a got a couple of funny ah zippy one-liners. Well, that's Hitchcock for you, dude. I mean, I don't know what to tell you. I can't like, it's so unique in its catalog.
00:36:56
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do you have like one that you would recommend just broad sweeping? Rear Window. Okay. I'd say Rear Window. The Birds for like a true horror movie, but a lot of his are like thrillers.
00:37:09
Speaker
To Catch the Thieves, very good. North by Northwest is awesome. I haven't seen the rest.
00:37:16
Speaker
yeah the But the The Birds was one of my first horror movies ever. Okay. Fine. Anyway, back to the back to the money conversation. I wasn't done with my fact.
00:37:29
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It Paramount Pictures. They thought that this movie was going to do poorly at the box office, so they agreed to to cut his salary. His personal earnings from the movie exceeded $15 million.
00:37:40
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Adjusted for inflation, he walked away with over $156 million this movie. do from this movie They didn't believe in him. They didn't see the vision. They didn't have the sight.
00:37:51
Speaker
Why do most like all-time great store like movie stories start with the production company hated it and they didn't want any part of it and they threatened to murder the director?
00:38:06
Speaker
It's almost like capitalism is bad for art.
00:38:12
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and Yeah, but this movie was... yeah It was... It was great for art, actually, because it just think of the amount of money it brought in. Sometimes it's bad, but sometimes it's good.
00:38:26
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Good when we see the dollar signs.
00:38:30
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Yes, I think the irony of you saying that wearing like an MCU adjacent shirt.
00:38:39
Speaker
don't look at me You gotta be proud. I am proud. I think that one in particular actually is one that you should be proud of. You like this one? yeah that Yeah, that is a really sick shirt. I'm wearing a shortly a Black Panther comic t-shirt that I picked up outside once.
00:38:57
Speaker
Outside what?
00:39:00
Speaker
Like outside in the world. Oh, what was it outside of? Like, where'd you find this shirt? In a parking lot. What parking lot? On Guadalupe.
00:39:12
Speaker
Where on Guad?
00:39:16
Speaker
On the right across from UT. Where? it was ah It was a vintage store, but they just had some of the clothes outside. were doing like a sale. This feels like... it was i am monkeys You let me believe that you found it on the sidewalk. That was the point.
00:39:34
Speaker
I'll have it be known. i didn't lie. You were spreading fake news. okay I thought you were homeless for a second.
00:39:46
Speaker
um What else do guys want to shout out from this movie?
Favorite Scenes from 'Psycho'
00:39:49
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Favorite scene besides the shower?
00:39:55
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Pervert. There were two that stuck out to me. One was the... the yeah The tension when Lila, the sister, was walking up to the house and it kept flashing from her point of view to her face to the door to her walking up to back to the front of the house, back to her.
00:40:15
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um That was really tense. And then Anthony Perkins' smile at the end. That was sick. That was awesome. That felt career-defining almost.
00:40:29
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i yeah The other one I loved is the first time you really meet Norman, where Marion checks into the motel. He was awesome. He was and yeah silly. and like he was kind of like He had like golden retriever energy.
00:40:43
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Maybe the five-star review could fix him.
00:40:49
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I can't rule anything out, but have my doubts. Just think, with 200 milligrams of Zoloft, he probably would have been fine.
00:41:00
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He was already sketchy, though. But, like, he was just kind awkward. Yeah. Are you saying awkward people are sketchy, Tachi? No, but he was already picking up... Is why can't get a girlfriend?
00:41:11
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ah He's giving Norman Bates guns.
00:41:17
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No, he was like... um Like trying to get information out of her to know that like no one's following her, that she's alone. He picked up on her false name on her her false story.
00:41:32
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to play devil's advocate.
00:41:36
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If someone comes into your motel lying, aren't you going to be like, what the heck?
00:41:44
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I'm not even sure he did it. Yes. be honest. Yes and no. Wait, what do you're not sure he did it? We saw it. Let's start a controversial movement. Free Norman.
00:41:57
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This is where the OJ takes come from, huh? He did. I don't think he did it. I think his mom did it.
00:42:05
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Did you finish the movie? Yeah. And the mom clearly had the knife. That is what the psychiatrist said. yeah du I mean, did you finish the movie?
00:42:18
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I think they're all in cahoots. Psycho 2, the description of it was Norman is freed because he was innocent.
00:42:28
Speaker
I think I've got to watch these.
00:42:34
Speaker
It actually says Norman was cured. And then they released him. Oh, they cured him of the crazies. they gave him that's That's a different movie. So Psycho 2 is just him getting on Zoloft.
00:42:44
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Yeah. And he's just like, he starts kind of boring a little bit. He starts a family.
00:42:50
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It's normal slice of life. That's where I was good came from.
00:42:56
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That is so crazy that that's his dad. I can't get over that.
00:43:01
Speaker
Nepo in action, you know? Yeah. What about you guys? thought did an episode on that. Your favorite scenes. I love the voyeur shot when he's peeking through the hotel room.
00:43:12
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It's the close-up shot of the eye. i don't know. know like i I couldn't find anything to see if that was like one of the like first or anything, but I mean, just like, just that scene in general, like talking about like the haze code and everything and almost like watching a woman like undress like that.
00:43:30
Speaker
Uncomfortable feeling that the audience must have had also seeing that and just being in Norman's POV just must've been insane. Mm-hmm.
00:43:42
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But i mean, there's also just the entire thing is just like beautifully shot. And the music is wonderful. to It's so in your face all of the time.
00:43:56
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I think Hitchcock gave the composer more money after it was after it was released. I would. Yeah, because it was just like, the music is like half of this.
00:44:08
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It's so iconic. Here we go. It's so iconic that you just like it's been like played so like riffed so many times. It's one of those things you don't even know like this is where it came from.
00:44:20
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Also, Malik, want to take a pause on the psycho talk right now. Alex, in Malik's video, do you see in the crack of the closet towards the top, it kind of looks like there's a mask.
00:44:34
Speaker
Stop. Yes, there is. Stop. What is that, Malik? looks like it's frowning. Yeah. Two eyes and an upside down space. What are you talking about? It looks like there's a mask. I think what it is is two hangers crossed. I think so, too.
00:44:46
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But it looks like from our POV, there's like a two eyes and a frowny, almost like a handlebar mustache. Do you see them? Okay, I'm going to wait. Let me see. Okay, I'm going to like right right there. yeah Okay, they're hangers.
00:45:00
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Okay. Oh, my God. But from from what I see, it looks like like a circle like white mask. I can kind of see what you mean.
00:45:11
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Yeah. Okay. Sorry. god Oh my god. How long have you been looking at that? I think it's Norman Bates.
00:45:20
Speaker
I mean, I wouldn't mind. He's a good looking guy. It's actually the mom. and your word good This guy hits on your girl at the club. Will you do this Norman letting it happen?
00:45:33
Speaker
all right where were we i know i'm like looking over my shoulder i'm a little think we need um alex's favorite shots or scenes i gave mine oh just kidding it was where he was checking in and he was least favorites i didn't like the end where they explained everything same yeah that That could have been handled better. And I didn't really like the psychiatrist delivery.
00:46:00
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Yeah. I actually love that actor, though. um There's this old TV show that had two made-for-TV movies that preceded it. Kolshak, the Night Stalker.
00:46:11
Speaker
It is so goaded. It's about this reporter in Chicago um who like covers the beat. And there's like all these like paranormal happenings that Like everyone thinks he's a kook for thinking that's what they are, but it's what they are.
00:46:27
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um But the psychiatrist plays the um like the editor in chief. His name is Vincenzo. He's awesome. That's a great name. It's pretty cool.
00:46:39
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The last shot, the last scene was saved by the shot of Norman's smile, though. Yes, I will say a little skull. Yeah, the lighting. Yeah. But i mean, yeah, he was going for a while.
00:46:53
Speaker
I didn't love the stabbing scene with Marion, like the actual kill. The shower. Yeah. I wonder why it was so over the top. mean, because it's.
00:47:05
Speaker
It was breaking the haze code, dude. It was the first of its kind. Right. But it was like 60s. That's fair. it's Yeah, it's a product at the time. I mean, like the way she's getting stabbed and kind of just moving around. and is But right before is sick. Like when he when he's standing right behind the curtain, that's actually don't mean she.
00:47:24
Speaker
Yes, she. nor Norma. Norma. Because his mom was doing it. Not Norman. Hashtag free my boy Norman. He didn't.
00:47:36
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He clearly didn't do it
00:47:41
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The ah one of my other favorite um shots was the private investigator going into the house. e Love the shot, the overhead shot of him coming on the stairs first and then when Norman comes out.
00:47:53
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Yeah. And then he had the next the next cut of him falling backwards behind the stairs. Yeah, that was cool. I was just like, how did they do that? That looked really cool. i I do love the split second where you see Norman in his like mom outfit.
00:48:10
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He looks so demented. Yeah, for sure. Oh, I just remembered my other favorite scene. It's when he's sinking the car and it stops for a second and he starts to freak out a little bit.
00:48:22
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Yeah, and then it starts to sink again and he he laughs or he smiles. That was good. Was that the dreaded quicksand that we fear? I think so. Just watch out for Pete Boggs in the bog.
00:48:35
Speaker
Do you read a bog in the back of my house in New Hampshire? And my dad was like, don't go near it. And I was terrified of it. I'd be scared of a bog. Is it like a small swamp?
00:48:48
Speaker
How would you define bog? It's just like mushy ground like, ah yeah, like a small swamp, you know, like a little patch of wetland. It's like we're a bog in the water in the backyard. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
00:49:00
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okay No, yeah, a bog, a bog would would terrify me. I was like, the second grade is like, do not go near the bog. It's probably like 50 feet deep is what he said. And then you won't be able to get out.
00:49:12
Speaker
And it it was just exit it was at the bottom of the hill where I would sled because you New Hampshire snowed a ton and it was right at the bottom of like the best part of the yard. So I remember sledding one time I got way too close to the bog.
00:49:25
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I thought I was done. In reality, it was probably like half an inch deep.
00:49:31
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My dad just didn't want me playing in the bog and getting bog juice everywhere. Good for Norman that this one was at least 20. What do you do if you roll the car into the bog and it goes like halfway in? Now it's stuck in the bog and it's clearly visible.
00:49:50
Speaker
Burn it? i don't know. but then you have like a shell of a car in a bog. That's totally suspicious. Well, it didn't happen because his, uh, the scene with the private investigator, when he's, uh, asking a bunch of questions, dude folded so quick.
00:50:05
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Yep. He was doing well for maybe the first 10 seconds. First, first side of pressure. If you had to cover up, I guess when you have to defend your mom, your mom for a crime, I mean, it's not too, not too easy.
00:50:19
Speaker
Um, anything else that you guys want to shout out from this movie? I feel like shout out the entire movie. Yeah. Shout out Hitchcock. That was really good. Are we the first movie podcast who have never seen Psycho?
00:50:32
Speaker
Tachi saw it. Ish. Yeah, but I think that's what makes us great. We're authentic. Yeah. We're not like curated. We're so real. You know, like, oh. We're real guys.
00:50:44
Speaker
So. We're serial guys. um I'm ready for my final rating. Here we go. Four and a half. I guess I'll go.
00:50:55
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Oh. Yeah, you know what? I'll go four and a half for how influential it was and that it still holds up. still a great movie. so Yeah. I'm going to go four out of ten.
00:51:10
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Cool. I don't think it's Hitchcock's best. Four out of ten? No, no, I mean four out of five, eight out of ten. It's a two stars meet for me, please.
00:51:21
Speaker
This movie is dog wonder. um Thank you, Alfred Hitchcock, for ushering us into a new era of horror.
Debating Slasher Villains for Mount Rushmore
00:51:30
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Now, we're going to do a Mount Rushmore of slasher villains.
00:51:34
Speaker
Wait, do you guys a real quick, you have a favorite slasher movie? have a favorite villain, for sure. Okay, go ahead. Leatherface, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, also inspired by Ed Gein.
00:51:50
Speaker
ah just I just love that dude. Would he be swinging that chainsaw and making clothes out of people? He's a good dude. God forbid a guy has a hobby.
00:52:05
Speaker
Tachi, how about you? I think I haven't seen that many, admittedly, but
00:52:13
Speaker
I think I got to go scream. Mr. Ghostface. I'm also going Ghostface. Yeah. What about you? I got to say Ghostface too. Yeah. I. Runner up is Chucky.
00:52:30
Speaker
How come? Just because he scared me so bad as a kid. He was kind of freaky, yeah he was like He was very scary. like I did not like him for a very long time, but as I've gotten older, I'm like, okay, these movies are really funny. These are kind maniacal.
00:52:42
Speaker
That freaked me out, too. He's really happy about it. and Just like I didn't like him. Bad dude to me. um We're going create a Mount Rushmore of slasher villains. I think this will be pretty easy.
00:52:56
Speaker
Oh, that's what got mean i'm I'm a little worried that because I feel like the generic one is this. There is a generic answer. It's Jason, Freddy, Michael Myers and Leatherface.
00:53:08
Speaker
Here we go. Is that what ours is going to be? I don't want Jason. And I don't want Michael Myers.
00:53:20
Speaker
Why not?
00:53:22
Speaker
I understand Jason. Okay. Yeah, was going to. Why not Michael Myers? ah Michael Myers mainly just to not fall into the basic category of a Mount Rushmore. Jason, Jason, I could actually do without like.
00:53:36
Speaker
The but first Friday the 13th is bad. It is bad. opinion i've I've never really been big on Friday the 13th. I think the best thing that franchise gave us was that.
00:53:47
Speaker
Yeah. Good noise. Very good noise. Great noise. I'm big fan of that noise. But other than that, like I could live without him. Michael Myers.
00:53:57
Speaker
I don't know, man.
00:54:01
Speaker
I have a link for the 10 scariest slasher villains. You guys want to hear what they are? Yeah. yeah We got number 10, Pearl from X. Number nine, Art the Clown from Terrifier.
00:54:15
Speaker
Number eight, The Fisherman from I Know What You Did Last Summer.
00:54:20
Speaker
Number seven, Leatherface, Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Number six, Candyman from the titular Candyman. The new one? There's an old Any of them. and It was an urban legend for a while. It was.
00:54:35
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Big deal in Chicago. My cousins told me about it when I was a kid. Number five, Chucky from Child's Play. Number four is Ghostface. Three, Reddy Krueger. Two, Jason Voorhees.
00:54:46
Speaker
And one, Michael Myers. Do you consider Pinhead from Hellraiser to be a slasher villain? ah Because I feel like he's always lumped in with them, but having seen Hellraiser 1 and 2, I don't think him nor any of the other Cenobites are...
00:55:03
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I wouldn't. Slasher villains? ah Yeah, because I see some people try to make the argument for Pinhead, but I'm on the side of nah. just like That's just horror vibes, I feel.
00:55:15
Speaker
He's not he'st even like a villain. He's just kind of like doing his thing. Aren't they all? No, I mean, like, like, I think for what Hellraiser is, i don't think Pinhead is like, he's like chaotic neutral because he does like super messed up stuff.
00:55:36
Speaker
But like, he's just like a demon that just gets summoned every now and then. He's nowhere close to being the worst person in that movie. Just a demon. Just a demon. The box.
00:55:46
Speaker
You opened it. We came. They've got some banger lines. So we're choosing four. We'll choose four. Okay. are there Are there any on the list you want to highlight?
00:55:59
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Or any any on the list that that weren't on the list? Come on. Are there any that weren't on the list that you want to highlight? I've had a long day. I'm a little tired. i still got some stuff to do after this. You get a pass 906.
00:56:14
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Let's see. had it. ah Hold up. Let me just look up. Best slasher villains. Let's do this. Obviously. Okay. Norman Bates is on there.
00:56:26
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this well This has Pennywise. I wouldn't count that. This also has Pinhead. Hannibal Lecter.
00:56:35
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Buffalo Bill. Buffalo Bill.
00:56:39
Speaker
Jigsaw? oh I wouldn't. Does he ever slash anybody? I think he's just sort of a watcher. Yeah, he's just kind of like a director. Buffalo Bill slashes people. Okay, let's see. Top 35 slasher villains of all time.
00:56:53
Speaker
The Collector? Who? I don't know. What? John Carver. Sounds like one. thing From Thanksgiving.
00:57:05
Speaker
John Carver is crazy. From Thanksgiving. ah The Urban Legend Killer from Urban Legend, released in 1998. um Dude, who has seen... Oh, I know The Collector, but I've never seen it.
00:57:18
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um Johnny from In a Violent Nature. you all seen that? No. Nope. That's that ah horror movie that came out in 2024, or the slasher movie where we're in the POV of Johnny, the killer, the entire time.
00:57:34
Speaker
It's just an hour and a half of him walking around and the friends camping is in the background. We're not with the friends. We're with Johnny. There is a brutal kill in that movie.
00:57:45
Speaker
That might be one of my favorite slasher kills of all time.
00:57:50
Speaker
I think the movie is okay, but that kill is... I'm on this wi wiki called Monsters and Slashers Wiki.
00:58:01
Speaker
There are some things on here that are just...
00:58:07
Speaker
Mask Head. Who is Mask Head? He's from a movie called Mask Head. We're just making people up now. It's just the stork.
00:58:18
Speaker
Ooh, Gabriel from Malignant? How about Gabriel from Mission Impossible?
00:58:28
Speaker
Stupid. All they had to do was give him a knife and he'd be up here. How about the ah ah suicidal kids from Tucker and Dale versus evil? Oh my God.
00:58:40
Speaker
What about sex head? What?
00:58:47
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From the movie 31.
00:58:51
Speaker
What is this? This is a crazy website.
00:58:57
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Um...
00:59:01
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Frank Zitto. Do we have any picks yet?
00:59:06
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I have one. Okay. But I'm not happy about it. What's your nomination?
00:59:13
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I kind of feel like we do have to throw in someone a bit more modern. Someone who has staying power and has become a little bit of an icon. A little bit iconique. Someone with some sauce.
00:59:26
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Someone some sauce. yeah Now, I'm not a big fan of these movies. I watched them all last year and I was like, alright. But Art the Clown from Terrifier.
00:59:39
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feel like he's everywhere. People really like him. He's in Fortnite. ah to That doesn't mean anything. It means Sabrina Carpenter on or my slashers list.
00:59:52
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Okay. That no, that's um he killed me a lot in Fortnite. Anytime we'd run into a s Sabrina Carpenter skin, you run. They're good. Anyone who owns that skin is good. I think, well, you own that skin though, right? She hovered above me at ACL. Oh, how was it? How was her performance? It was sick. She was great.
01:00:11
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Love her. Nice. Yeah. Hear me out. A Sabrina Carpenter slasher movie starring Sabrina. Like imagine like a bunch of kids hiding in like a thing. Yeah. please please please come out at night she's like covered in blood she and general take a fight and like kill each other in the taste music video yeah so i could i could see that i think sabrina carver could be really good in a horror movie yeah i think so too maybe not as the villain but just like i think she'd be a great villain if you had the right director on it she's got acting sabrina hire me i am the right director
01:00:51
Speaker
How do you guys feel about my art, the clown? i I haven't seen terrifier. I feel different because i haven't seen him. But I just I don't like his vibe. He's kind of he's kind of silly. I'll get I'll break down. He's kind of silly.
01:01:05
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He's kind of wacky. He's got a bag of trinkets and he may be a demon trinkets. Yeah. But then do like if we like guys who are so wacky, silly, funny, do we put in the family from Devil's Rejects and House of a Thousand Corpses?
01:01:22
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No, they were silly and funny. They don't have Fortnite skins. If we're going modern, don't we just go Ghostface? That's got real staying power. That's true. I i feel like Ghostface is definitely there for sure.
01:01:33
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Yeah. Yeah. There's one. He's our George Washington is Ghostface. All right. Who's Abe?
01:01:41
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i actually think TJ's next. Oh, you're right. Um... I'm going to nominate Hannibal Lecter as much as I want to nominate Buffalo Bill because he is the just most diabolical killer ever put to screen. Probably Hannibal Lecter has so much staying power and he doesn't even kill anybody in like his first two movies.
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He didn't kill anybody in Manhunter and he didn't kill anybody in Silence the Lambs. Actually, so he did kill someone in Silence the Lambs. We don't even see it happen. That's how he escapes. He kills the guard.
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Spoiler.
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Came out in the 90s. Get a grip. um Get a grip is so 90s coded. He is so iconic. The shot of him with the muzzle.
01:02:36
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Yeah. And he barely has like any on screen kill. i don't know what happens in like when you get like down the line and you know some of that it is a legendary movie. Yeah. But you know Anthony Hopkins or Brian Cox, like being a creepy, weird guy in a prison cell.
01:02:55
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He's got lasting power. yeah I like Brian Cox, too. I'm with the character. do Do we put Hannibal on there or do we want to fight about it? I don't think I'll fight it.
01:03:06
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I won't fight it. All right. He's tentatively Thomas Jefferson. Hannibal.
01:03:14
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Should we? put leather face yes all right sure touchy any these suggestions for our final suggestions for who would this be uh teddy uh this would be abe okay abe's last i don't even know who's on rushmore i'm gonna be honest i don't either it's g dubs tommy j teddy r and abe's I thought Teddy would be after. He was president in I? Or no, that's Wilson. He was... yeah i don't know. He's just sandwiched in there. he's like the
01:03:52
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he's He's the one that has like the least visible profile. okay Okay. He was the best one. um
01:04:04
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We've got... i don't know. I haven't seen that many slashers, so it's hard for me to pick. how do you feel about Freddy Krueger? Even if you haven't seen an Ant-Man on Elm Street, we all know Freddy. I know
Defining Elements of Slasher Movies
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him. He's got the the ah sharp fingers.
01:04:17
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and Oh yeah, claws. That's the word. Sharp fingers? His fingers be sharp. He's got to cut his nails. yeah um
01:04:29
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And you don't want it to me Michael Myers. You don't want it to be Jason. So what if we do do Michael Myers, I'm fine with Michael Myers. i just I would argue against Jason.
01:04:40
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That's fine. You didn't even show up in the first movie. God, that was so pissed. So pissed. I sit through all of that see like, oh, here's Jason. It's like a looks like tur a in a toilet bowl.
01:04:55
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Do they flush it? The first on screen turd.
01:05:01
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I'm cool with Michael Myers. That's fine. All right. Michael Myers, Ghostface, Leatherface, and Hannibal Lecter. 50% basic.
01:05:14
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I'm putting a fifth a fifth head, and I'm nominating Pearl. You're Crazy Horse? Crazy Horse is Pearl. I'm married!
01:05:26
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I thought you liked me! That's a great movie. What did do wrong? I thought you liked me! There are three of those, right? Yeah. Maxine sucks. They fumbled the ending.
01:05:38
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Is that the newest? Yeah. Okay. It was X, Pearl, and then Maxine. Out of all of them, yeah. Maxine, it was like... Maxine's the weakest. That's a shame. I would go Pearl, X, a lot of... A big gap, and then Maxine.
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I see. Well, that's our Rushmore with the fifth head. Crazy horse down the street. What's crazy horse? The crazy horse monument. It's like down the street from Mount Rushmore.
01:06:06
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They haven't finished building it yet, um but it's a monument to the indigenous warrior crazy horse. Have you been there? ah No, I have not. Have you? Nope.
01:06:18
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I've been to Mount Rushmore, but Crazy Horse was like, don't even think it was. I don't even think his face was done when I was in the Black Hills. So and don't think there's anything to go see. It's crazy so that Rushmore is like a thing.
01:06:31
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It is. OK, how'd they do that? Why? They'd be carving. It is the like, how big do you think Mount Rushmore is? Small.
01:06:42
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You're supposed to say big. You're supposed to say really big. Okay, well, I've seen pictures. like I used to think it was like massive. and I thought it was massive until now. It's tiny min in person. It's like, oh, that's it. It's like yeah it's like it's like a mohel. Hey, it's Mount Rushmore. Yeah, just look up someone's like just an iPhone picture.
01:07:01
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Oh my God. Are you lying to me? I've seen this in person. it is like My mom even prefaced like it's really disappointing in person. I was still disappointed.
01:07:14
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Oh my God, you're right. What?
01:07:19
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That's crazy. I thought it was like Mount Everest.
01:07:26
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That's actually insane. I've been lied to. Four giant godheads. You fell for the propaganda. That's... wow I'll never be the same.
01:07:39
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I can't believe I've been lied to from the American government.
01:07:44
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That's never happened. Something that they said that they would never do to us. We explicitly asked. I told you not to cheat on me and you did it anyway. Listen, guys, I'm going to be honest.
01:07:57
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We lied a while back, but we're never going to do it again. So pay your taxes like a good little boy. can trust us. and just ignore the giant file full of pedophiles we're not releasing. What?
01:08:10
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What?
01:08:13
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Last segment wanted to talk about the key elements of slasher movies. What makes a slasher movie a slasher movie? Slashing. Slashing. Dashing. Crashing.
01:08:24
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Maybe not. Bashing. How about sometimes there's bashing. Hmm.
01:08:34
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What about mashing? Oh, they mash. That's... You shouldn't mash, though. Monsters mash. Monster mash. was Was it a graveyard smash? What a banger of a song, by the way.
01:08:48
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Who did the mash? This is our dumbest episode. Maybe ever.
01:08:55
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This is not scary. That's okay. Which is... i actually think really... Appropriate because slasher movies generally are really cheesy and not scary. I think slasher movies are a lot of fun.
01:09:10
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Out of all of the tropes in horror, I would say slasher is the one that you could have the most fun with. I love, they are really fun. I love bringing dates home and I love putting on the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. They love that.
01:09:23
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That's awesome. Women love that.
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These are the some of the most common tropes. With slasher movies. And this is what makes them so fun. Number one. Can you guys guess it? No. Slashing. A psychopathic killer.
01:09:43
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That's kind of what I said. Yeah. Sure. Okay. What's the next thing? It says killer's backstory revealed. Oh. We typically get backstories in slashers, right?
01:09:55
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Typically. Yeah. All right. Except for the strangers. Oh, true. They're just. That's what made it so good. Exactly. Yeah. ah they They had to remake it and then ruined the line in the trailer. That's okay. What was the line again?
01:10:11
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Why are you doing this? And it's like, the OG, it's like, because you were home. And then it was like, in the new one, it's like, we did this because someone was in this domicile or something like that.
01:10:23
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That's so stupid. yeah they really In reality, they added like two words and it just made it so bad. Why are you doing this? Because it was time to reboot and make a franchise.
01:10:38
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Trilogy money. Third one. Setting and location is very important for slasher movies. Think Camp Crystal Lake. Think the desert and the hills have eyes. Why?
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Pause. I'm paused. Aren't setting and location important for every movie?
01:11:08
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Yeah. For the audience. How's that trope? He's fuming. What's the point? I don't know. I didn't come up with this freaking thing. reading.
01:11:18
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Okay, so what's next?
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Think cabin in the woods. Next. Set a time.
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Is the next one have a story? Yeah. Have a cast.
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Iconic weapon of choice.
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Chainsaw. Knife. Machete. Machete. Sharp fingers. Sharp fingers.
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Other people. Other people. um Multiple victims. You got a slash. Just because you cut hair once don't make you a barber.
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So true. Number seven. Characters split up. Scooby-Doo.
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ah Stranded signals. Communication often being disabled or non-existent. They cannot receive outside help.
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Number nine. Jump scares.
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Ten. Illogical thinking. Now this one is huge. Lots and lots of dumb characters in these movies making silly choices, but you have to be along for the ride.
01:12:46
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You must. And the last one says, oh. Were there any illogical choices in Psycho? Ooh. I don't think there were. Stealing the money?
01:12:57
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That is wrong. Not illogical. Thievery is wrong. but so wrong and she got what she deserved. That's what happens if you steal. From stealing from the rich white man.
01:13:13
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I don't think there was too much illogical thinking in Psycho. Yeah.
01:13:18
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I think that comes... There actually is a really big illogical piece. What? What? The fact that they locked up Norman. His mom did it. God. She admitted it in the end. That's a good point.
01:13:32
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Very good point. um So good that I'm going to move on. ah Number 11. The killer resurrects. Michael Myers will not die.
01:13:44
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You can't kill him. Why don't they just stick him in a box and sink it? That's what I'm saying. It's pretty simple to lure him.
01:13:56
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should put Jamie Lee Curtis's picture and he's like, oh, I gotta kill her. Oh, I gotta do that. And then the last one, the final girl. There's got to be a final girl.
01:14:12
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Sometimes a final girl in all of our lives. Who is she? Who is there an answer?
Challenging 'Final Girl' Tropes
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It's just whoever you may know and some of you may never know.
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Are going to tell us?
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No. Okay.
01:14:36
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Sometimes the final girl is not a girl. Whoa.
01:14:42
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That's progressive. Sometimes the final girl is not even a person. Sometimes the final girl is the but fun we had along the way. Sometimes the final girl is 2005 Texas Longhorns.
01:14:57
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This one list that I pulled up of ah influential final girls had the dude from Get Out as a final girl.
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Which I mean, he meets most of the categories besides the girl part.
01:15:11
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I need to rewatch Get Out. of I'm going to list off some of our or some of this list's most iconic final girls. You guys ready? Do it. Yep. Ellen Ripley from Alien. Yep.
01:15:24
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Solid. yeah she's up go She's at the top of this list and for good reason. That is my goat. Is Sarah Connor too? Is she on this? She's not on. Or are you asking if she's a final girl?
01:15:36
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Well, she should be on the list. Oh, is Terminator 1 a slasher?
01:15:44
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Kinda. It's a It's more of a blaster, right? but Hardly know.
01:15:56
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I'll be slashing. Don't you remember that scene? um Jess Bradford from Black Christmas. I haven't seen this. i don't know what that is. Who makes these lists? i don't know. and This one's IndieWire.
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The Black Christmas production team. I like this one. Marty and Dana from The Cabin in the Woods. I like that movie a lot. Tachi, have you seen it?
01:16:20
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I have. But it was a long time ago before my um deeper appreciation for movies. Agreed. I didn't like it when I first saw It it was also middle school. saying Okay. Yeah, I think you guys should rewatch it.
01:16:32
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Maybe there'll be a deeper appreciation. I think so. ah Sarah Carter from The Descent. I recently saw this maybe the last like few years. That's the cave one?
01:16:42
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Yeah. No, thank you. yeah I'll never watch it. ah Ash Williams, The Evil Dead.
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And ah the rest of it is blank because my page isn't loading.
01:16:59
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Well, congrats to our final girls. The final girls of the final girls list. Anyone that you guys want to shout out that I maybe have missed? Well, Sarah Connor.
01:17:11
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True. I think Sydney from Scream. I um remember she was on this. Yeah. When I was looking at it earlier. She didn't make the cut of your ISP, so.
01:17:23
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We got a picture. um There's the girl from Ready or Not. Oh. That's a good one. That was a good finder. They're making a second. Nice. Ready or Not 2. Is it called Here I Come? I wish.
01:17:35
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I'm going to beat to death whoever is producing that movie. because That's a real slasher for you.
01:17:46
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Our career in Hollywood, Malik, is never going to take off because going to threaten too many people on the podcast. I'm like, weren't you the guy that... Didn't you threaten to kill me? Did you deserve it? They just have a notebook flipping through things Alex has said.
01:18:07
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Number one, Norman Defender.
Transition to Ghost Story Segment
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Anything else you guys wanted to discuss about slasher movies in general or psycho before we get to today's ghost story? think that's it for me. I want to hear this ghost story because i don't think I've heard this one yet. Watch more slashers, everybody.
01:18:26
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All right.
Cam's Ghost Story in Italy
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Tonight's ghost story comes from my girlfriend, Cam. Hello. Is she the final girl in this? For this episode, Cam is the final girl.
01:18:37
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She didn't want to come talk about it, though. Sadly, I've got I've got the story here. Friends, ah listeners of the pod, if you want Cam to tell this story, DM the pod and say, screw you for not telling the story. Actually, don't do that. Cyberboy.
01:18:57
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All right. Cam's really sweet, so please don't hurt her feelings. All right. You guys ready? Yep. This story takes place in Italy. I'm out.
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And we'll see you next week. The house that her parents moved them into. So this is about Cam. This happened to her and her family while they were living in Italy. The house that her parents had moved them into was previously owned by a teacher, a very well-known teacher in the city.
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They had lived in the house since the seventies. This teacher had passed away in the home two years prior to them moving into the house. She passed away in what would be Cam's future bedroom.
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When they moved in, the entire house was furnished with the previous tenant's belongings. When she passed away, the house was passed on to her nephew, who felt no desire to get rid of the furniture, so had been renting it out already furnished.
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This included couches, chairs, and clothes left over in the attic. Fast forward to 2019. Cam was studying to become an esthetician, and one of her courses was a makeup class.
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In this class, they were assigned a project. The project was to choose a decade of makeup and to create a style on a model and then dress them in your decade of choice. And she had chosen the 60s.
01:20:13
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Her parents didn't want to spend money on clothing that she herself wouldn't actually wear. So she had the idea to go into the attic where there were leftover clothes to find some pieces that would work with her model for the project.
01:20:28
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She found a jacket and a hat that was reminiscent of the era, and she had brought them down from the attic, had them in a room, and told her mom what she was doing. Her mom, for context, anytime she would go into the attic, she would address the spirit of the previous tenant, just asking for permission to be there, say thank you if she had moved anything around, and basically pay her respects.
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So when Cam tells her mom what she's doing, her mom had warned her and asked if she had asked permission to do so. Oh, God. Cam did not. She took the clothes to school, presented the project,
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came back home and did not immediately put the clothes back in the attic where she found them. She had put them in a wooden closet in her room. This closet was in the house before they had moved in.
01:21:16
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This was a very big closet, heavy, all wood, with a lock on the door that could only be unlocked by a key.
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She put the clothes in and she locked the door. Her mom asked her later that evening if she had put the clothes back and Cam had replied, not yet. That same night, once everyone had gone to bed in the middle of the night, Cam wakes up to the sound of knocking.
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Quickly, she realized that the knocking came from inside the closet. ah Trying to stay calm, she assured herself that it's just her sister's playing a prank. So she gets up, she goes up to go check on her sister's room to make sure it wasn't a prank.
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They were dead asleep. So she ignores what she heard and decides to go back to sleep. Remember, the closet door is locked and can only be unlocked by a key. When she woke up the next day, the closet door was completely open.
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Fast forward to later that night, the knocking continues. She starts freaking out.
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Remembering the warning that her mom had gave her. The next morning, the closet doors open again. Terrified, she had picked up the clothes, took them back to the attic.
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And that night, the knocking finally stopped.
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We'll see you in the next episode.