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Lost In The Creature - Frankenstein
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Introduction and Theme Setting
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If I cannot inspire love, I will cause fear. Wise words from the Frankenstein monster, and coincidentally, the official mission statement of the Lost in the Frame podcast.
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Welcome,
Meet the Hosts
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and thanks for tuning in, everybody. How you guys doing? I'm good. I guess I'm doing good. Good. You guessed. That's great. Yeah, I mean, that quote makes me think that maybe that's the reason I scare off women.
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Was there a lot of self-reflection when watching this movie? No.
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If you haven't guessed it, we're talking about Frankenstein today. Yeah.
Movie News Roundup
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I'm your host, Malik, by the way. Oh, yeah. Who are you, people? I'm Frank and Alex. And I'm Tachi.
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Yes. Yeah, I'm excited to talk about Frankenstein with you boys today. um Before we get into the movie, as far as movie news, you guys see anything? pretty light Pretty light couple days besides one major thing but that came out today.
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ah We got a lot of good first looks at The Odyssey, Christopher Nolan's next film. Did we? Yeah. What is it? I mean, you wouldn't know because you're
Pope Leo's Movie Preferences
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banned from Elon Musk's website yes forever. Good stuff.
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But don't know if you guys saw any of this, but it's exciting. Christopher Nolan says that they shot over 2 million feet of film for The Odyssey. That's a lot of film.
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That's all that. Dune three is done. Doing three is done. The Odyssey and Dune three is going to go nuts. Oh my God. I can't wait. No leaked set picks.
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No nothing. We're just, it's wrapped up and ready to go. That's just how it should always be. i agree. We do. ah One of the other pieces of news that came out and I sent over you guys was ah ah Pope Leo's four favorite movies.
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Yeah. Yeah. We got It's a Wonderful Life directed by Frank Capra. We got The Sound of Music directed by Robert Wise. Ordinary People directed by Robert Redford. And Life is Beautiful directed by Roberto Benigni.
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I saw a lot of people pissed off at Variety for stealing Letterboxd's whole shtick.
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I don't know how they got access to the Pope, but they're like, we're going to do this now. This is our thing with him. i think I'm cool with it just because it humanizes the Pope. you know Did you see his Christmas list that was like floating around from pre-him having to delete personal social media?
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No. Like his own personal list to Santa?
Main Topic Introduction: Guillermo del Toro's Frankenstein
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No, it was like his own personal Christmas list of favorite movies for Christmas. Uh-huh. And there were...
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There were some bangers. Now, like I said, I think it cut off in 2013. So we're missing some like no holdovers. I'm going to assume Pope Leo is a Paul Giamatti truther.
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Probably. He gives me that vibe. Should be. Some of the movies on here are It's a Wonderful Life, The Polar Express, Nativity Story, White Christmas, Three Godfathers.
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The Muppets Christmas Carol. Nice. um And there's there's a bunch of them. And then two other versions of The Christmas Carol. And A Christmas Story. Are we going to talk about the Polar Express? Because I haven't seen it and Tachi hates it.
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I feel like we should. Yeah, we should. It's while since I've seen it. And you hate them because of how ah how of how they look? the It's not just the look of the children.
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It's... the sound of the children. It's I hate joy. No, I don't know. To me, the whole movie is just not right.
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It's not right. There's something wrong with it. Something deeply evil about the polar express. Point what it is exactly, but I think the art style is a contributing factor.
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Mm. I always forget that the Pope is just like a dude. He's just a dude. He's just a guy from Chicago. he ah um He's getting in baseball feuds. Like pre-Pope?
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Like, so he's he's a huge Cubs fan. And for some reason, like one of the leaders of one of the Orthodox churches, you know, that schismed in the early years of everything, is also from Chicago and he is a White Sox fan.
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Uh-huh. And he gifted the Pope a White Sox jersey and the Pope was not happy. So just think. When the church schismed, there was a direct.
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Like line of succession to baseball, baseball beef. Interesting. Makes me think that one of us could be the Pope one day. So technically, any confirmed Catholic male is eligible to be the Pope.
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like if if god went into the vatican and was like you guys are picking alex carlino i just dox my own last name on the pod you're gonna edit that out i don't think that's a bad thing it's very easy to find who we are okay um sure if the pope said or if god said to the cardinals Alex, last name redacted, should be the Pope, then I could be the Pope.
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So I could be the Pope. Every time they pick a new Pope, I tell my dad, that i think I got a feeling. I think this is it. could be it Do you want us to say our last names to make you feel a little bit better? Maybe.
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All right. My name is Malik Whitaker.
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Believe it or not, my last name is Shuttlesworth. thought your last name was Whitaker as well. Not yet.
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We're getting there. Whoa! You guys ready to talk about Frankenstein?
Plot Summary and Cultural Impact
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I don't know. What you mean you don't know? I don't know after for that. okay i think I'm being left out of something.
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we Tachi and I, we have history. Long, colorful history.
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But there's room for a third. ah All right. There's love to be shared. All right. Let's get into Frankenstein. Whoa.
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The movie, not the man. Yes. Frankenstein directed by Guillermo del Toro. ah Who else is in this?
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Oh, well, hang on. What's the movie about? Oh, dr Dr. Victor Frankenstein, a brilliant but egotistical scientist, brings a creature ah life
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in a monster.
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Do you need some help? Do you want me to...
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Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Take over. Okay. Um, Frankenstein directed by Guillermo del Toro. Dr. Victor Frankenstein, a brilliant, but egotistical scientist brings a creature to life in a monstrous experiment that ultimately leads to the undoing of both the creator and his tragic creation.
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If you're not aware of this movie, you're living under a rock. This just came out on Netflix. It's been out in theaters for a couple weeks, so you're listening because you watched it and you want to know what your favorite boys have to say about it. This movie is starring Oscar Isaac, Jacob Elordi, Christoph Waltz, and Mia Goth.
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I'll start with a question to you guys. What is your history with Frankenstein, if you have one? Do you love him? Do you know the book? We'll go to Alex first.
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Yeah.
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I've never read the book. Okay. Um, I know like a lot of the lore behind it and, uh, kind of what drove Mary Shelley to write it and some of the lore around her. Um, she's got some crazy fun facts about herself.
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think she tradition tells us that she lost her virginity on her mother's grave. Hmm. I did not know that. Well, now you do. They don't teach you that in English class.
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No, they don't. Not mine. But I haven't seen any of the movie adaptations for it. But Frankenstein is one of those characters like Dracula. I guess Frankenstein's monster because Frankenstein's the guy.
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Frankenstein's monster is one of those characters that is just so pervasive in things like everybody knows him. Yeah. He's just there. Like he's just so ingrained into pop culture that like you just know who he is. He's like Darth Vader. But Pretty much.
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Yeah, I don't think you've needed to know the book or seen any of the previous adaptations to know the story, at least, of Frankenstein. um I think I'm pretty sure we read the book in high school.
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I don't remember. Like, I don't remember specific details about the book or anything like that. But like you said, he's so ingrained in pop culture. Like we just, you just know, we know the big green, big green guy and his, and his life. What about you, Tachi? Any history with Frankenstein or are we all kind of blank slates?
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Blank slates. I knew of him. I knew the guy. Yeah. And the monster. What your guys' as ah excitement level or expectations when we found out this movie was being made?
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I was excited. I was very excited. i like del Toro's style. And I think it pairs really well with a gothic story like this.
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Agreed. Yeah, I'm a big fan of del Toro. I mean, I don't think I've seen a movie of his that I have not enjoyed. There's a couple on his filmography that I still haven't seen.
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haven't seen. Don't be afraid of the dark is pretty. What is Don't Be Afraid of the Dark? i don't even see that one. I haven't seen Mimic or Kronos or Crimson Peak. He did Pacific Rim. That's interesting. Isn't that crazy?
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that's That is crazy. Obviously hellbo Hellboy, Hellboy 2, Blade 2, most famously Pan's Labyrinth, Shape of Water, Pinocchio, Nightmare Alley. Pinocchio was great.
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Oh, I guess he didn't do Don't Be Afraid of the Dark. I was like, I don't i don't see that. and see that Why did I associate this movie with him? I don't know. Which one's Don't Be Afraid of the Dark? Who's that by?
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Troy Nixie. That's not Guillermo Guillermo. Oh, he produced it and he wrote it. OK. I was right. So he's got some roots in it.
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All right. To kick off our discussion, we're going to do. I like this. This for L our letterbox love like loathe. I like for L. Tachi's going to have our five star today. i will have the three star and Alex with the one star and that will kick off our Frankenstein indeed discussion.
Frankenstein Movie Reviews and Ratings
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That's more Nosferatu. Again, keep doing that. Go ahead, Tachi. Frankenstein. Is that close? That's better. Yeah, that was really good. Thank you. You're welcome.
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This comes from Nicole, a patron. Congratulations. Five stars. Daddy issues. But when you actually start traumatizing him back. Three star comes from Seth's reviews.
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I like him on TikTok. ah He writes, its weaknesses don't lie in the actual humanization of the monster. but rather in the character of Victor Frankenstein. With the exception of some typical del Toro visual eccentricities that I've never been a fan big fan of, it's grand and pretty good to look at.
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Not as concentrated as I would have liked. A little too erratic. Also lacked some of the humorous charm I was hoping for. More silly required. Really, really liked Elordi. Even more than I had anticipated.
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We got our one-star review from Axel underscore Soulard. Half Star. Such a bad movie.
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Victor is such an ego... Egoist... Victor is such an egoistic character! Exclamation mark. It is long 3Gs. Too long.
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Exclamation mark. Did you guys feel like it was too long? thought it was maybe a tad too long, but not like, oh, this is too long, too long. My problem with this review more than lies with the Victor is an egotistical character because, you know, that's the point. It's in the yeah and the description.
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That's the that's the framework that we're working with here. There I've been perusing Twitter and I've seen a lot of mixed reviews with this movie, and I feel like.
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like I just feel like this movie is a mixed bag. Tachi, you're famously not on Twitter, you're not allowed on Elon Musk's website. and Alex, have you seen any of the discourse around Frankenstein and people's frustrations with the movie?
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ah No, currently my Twitter feed is almost exclusively Epstein email content. Mine too. It's a mixture. It's like fifty fifty It's Epstein email and I hated Frankenstein.
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So we've got we've got a which one's worse yeah we've got a wide variety here.
Visual Effects and Filming Style
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um I wanted to do something a little bit different. Instead of giving our ratings at the end of the discussion, I thought we'd give them now.
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Tachi, I'm going to ask you first. What did you rate this movie? I think with where I stood on the same day that I watched it. Not that it's even changed.
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I'm just not really sure. But at the time, ah rated it a four. What makes you unsure now? I feel like it could easily change. But at the time of watching it, it i was very comfortable with a four.
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Okay. does Does that make sense? Yeah. Do you think it could change, like it would go lower? Or you think you enjoyed it enough that you're just like, this could this could bump up to like a four and a half? It could go either way, I think.
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Okay. And I'm not sure if a discussion could do that. Maybe a rewatch would be more powerful, but I won't rule out being convinced. Yeah. Yeah. Let's, I definitely want to get deep into how we like the movie and what we felt about it. i would, uh, yeah, we can do that. Um, I gave this movie a four and I feel pretty solid with a four as well. You're not wavering.
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I don't think so. like I think and think it's sitting pretty right there. Okay. I gave this movie a three and a half out of five. So seven out of ten. That's good. I was, uh, I think I was more, uh, worried what you were going to think.
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Yeah. Why? don't know. and so ah chat, when I told Malik that I was going to watch this movie and Tashi too, when I told the boys that I was going to go watch this movie, um, I got a, I got a text back saying, Ooh, you're either going to love it or you're going to hate it. And I'm worried and scared. And I like, what?
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What made you think that I was going hate it like that much? Because I feel like this year, and this is not just you, i'm not attacking you. This is like for all of us. There's been ah handful of movies that most people have loved, walked away with like loving.
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And we're just like, oh, okay. And so I felt like that might've happened again with Frankenstein, especially because I just like with the amount of discourse that I'm seeing, like I'm kind of surprised with,
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how many people really don't like this movie? I think that's because I am a contrarian and I hate being one, but I just have props. so if a lot of people are saying it's not Graham, well, I liked it.
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Yeah. Problem.
00:16:12
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Oh, you liked one battle after another. Well, let me tell you about Brock Vond. When I tell you I fielded angry text messages from our last episode, I fielded angry text messages from our last episode. Okay. They tried to cancel your boy.
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I mean, I'm kind of with them. Well, shut up. But um no, I mean, I get like watching it. There was a lot that I understood about like why I think people are pooping on it.
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I was surprised at how cheap some of the shots looked. It seemed very on Del Toro. There were a couple of moments where it's like, ooh, I don't know if it was lighting or CGI or what, but I'm like, what am I looking at here?
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yeahs Are there any that jump to mind?
Book vs Movie: Key Differences
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lot of the scenes in beginning with the boat. i didn't out of it I didn't love the boat set. Really? boat set was kind of goofy. It was weird.
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what What was off about it to you guys? To me, it almost looked like a video game. And again, I don't know if it was CGI or the lighting or what. But it almost looked like I was watching like Bioshock or something.
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So I've seen this exact issue come up a lot. Del Toro prides himself on using a lot of practicality in his filmmaking, which he does. You watch any behind the scenes. Yeah. You watch any behind the scenes of any of his movies. Like there's a lot of practical effects.
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Netflix even has a 45 minute behind the scenes of Frankenstein. I don't know if you guys watch that, but it's really cool. If you haven't seen the the the little 45 minute documentary for Frankenstein, I would highly suggest watching it. But yeah.
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Sure enough, like that boat is practical, yet I've seen a lot of people hate it and say that it just looks really bad. Well, and and I know it is. And there's a couple of scenes in ah Victor's lab as well that looks weird.
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They don't look right. It's almost a little uncanny. And I know that all these all this stuff is like real sets and practical, but it's like. It almost looks like there were a couple of moments with like the sunlight and the way like it this looks like a Zack Snyder movie.
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It was it was strange. Yeah. I can't fully disagree with you guys on that on that part. I thought the boat looked fine as well as the lab.
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The there were a couple shots specifically like the explosion of the castle. I thought looked really cheap. Some of the shots of the castle looked really cheap. And I was surprised after watching that ah behind the scenes of Frankenstein that the castle was practical as well. It was a miniature, quote unquote miniature, because it was about like, I think they said like 13 feet tall, but they built the whole thing and it was like hand sculpted. But a lot of the shots of the castle did look ah little a little like a little too much. see yeah, like you're saying, like like a video game. And so,
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I don't know what went wrong. I think that's a big talking point I've seen people talk about is like the way it looks people don't really like. For a majority of it, I really like how this movie looks.
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I think for the most part, it's beautifully shot, but I won't disagree that there are a couple scenes where I was like, oh okay, well, that's a little, you know.
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I agree. And that's it. We did it.
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Frankensteined.
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The book versus the movie is a very heavy topic on the discourse. We won't start with what we don't like from the movie. I kind of want to get into some of the bigger changes um from the book to the movie.
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I mean, I guess I guess the first for the book, by the way, it it came out in like 1930. But spoilers. That's more recent than I would have expected, actually. When did it come out? I thought it was the I thought was like 18, it was like 1840. It you almost say eighteen forty it was eighteen thirty s I'm pretty sure. Oh, Yeah. Yeah. because I think Mary Shelley passed away in like the if I'm not if i'm not mistaken she died in eighteen fifty one let's go I know my history, guys.
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Anyway. Good job. When it comes to these adaptations, you're always going to have the book truthers. In fact, on this podcast, we recently had one in the form of Alex with one battle after another.
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And so with these big characters in pop culture for these decades and decades old books, there's always going to be the book truthers and kind of finding the flaws in the movie.
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I think... I think sometimes it's a little unfair to look at two different like pieces of medium, even if even if it's talking about the same even if it's the same source material.
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But that's where I see a lot of the of the frustrations. But we'll look at some of the key differences between the book and the movie, and then kind of discuss how we feel
Character Dynamics and Sympathetic Portrayals
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about those changes. Does that sound good?
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Sure. First one I've got here. In the book, Elizabeth is Victor's fiancé and have known each other since childhood. In the movie, Elizabeth is engaged to Victor's brother, William, who is a now a much more fleshed-out character than in the book.
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So the first question I have is, what did we think about the dynamic between Victor, Elizabeth, and William for this movie? It was not really necessary.
00:21:44
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What part? like the Her being his... her being his almost sister-in-law. Like, and already being engaged to the brother. i feel like that didn't change anything about the movie.
00:21:57
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Right? Because there was no tension between the brothers, really. Yeah, always kind Yeah, i mean, it's it's one of those things that I think... It doesn't really change anything. at least in my eyes. yeah i don't know what the relationship's like in the book, so... But I think it could have gone either way. i mean, I think it just added more layers to Victor's character, if anything.
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That's true. Yeah, I think from like a jealousy standpoint, because obviously Victor is a very jealous person and is letting these negative emotions kind of take take over his his central being. And so I feel like that was more of a vehicle for that. But I mean, I kind of agree where...
00:22:39
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I don't think it needed to, where the and it it didn't feel like fully fleshed out to me. and I think I do prefer the movie step with this. So in the book, um Elizabeth and Victor knew each other since since they were children. They were technically stepbrother and sister.
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ah Victor's family had adopted Elizabeth. um They like to help poor people a lot. And so they had taken this girl whose parents had died Brought into the family and very early on they were just like they fell in love and they knew that they were going to get married. So ah I could see why they didn't do that for the movie.
00:23:17
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Next one in the book, William, Victor's brother, he's also killed by the creature as a child in the movie. is I guess he's kind of killed by him, but William grows up.
00:23:31
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Now, this is a big point of discussion that I've seen. that the creature in this movie is too sanitized, too forgiving than in the book.
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Victor.
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Thoughts there. Does that matter to you? How did you guys feel about the creature overall? I actually liked him being a little bit morally gray as well as physically gray.
00:24:02
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He was gray. I think it almost makes it like a little Blade Runner-ish that he's kind of just like the full range of humanity instead of just being a monster, you know? Mm-hmm.
00:24:14
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I mean, i do think I do think in the book that there is still... Even though he is murdering a lot more people in the book, there's still the... um what's the phrase I'm looking for? There's still like the, the sympathy for him as a character.
00:24:32
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And I think people think del Toro might've just taken the easy route in making the monster sympathetic. But again, like I really liked del Toro. as a filmmaker and i I feel like he wears his heart on his sleeve especially when he comes to like the creatures that he creates for his movies and like they're all they're all sympathetic and so I just feel like this is pretty aligned to him as a filmmaker and i think a change that we probably could have seen coming from ah million miles away In the book, the creature also kills Elizabeth on the night of her and Victor's wedding, all to hurt Victor.
00:25:08
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In the movie, more of a quote-unquote relationship between Elizabeth and the creature. My question is, do we think this relationship between Elizabeth and the creature in the movie was more romantic, or do you think she was playing more of like a maternal role? I'm curious to see what your guys' thoughts are.
00:25:27
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I think it's a little unclear. The lines were blurred. I think I could see from her perspective it feeling maternal and maybe the creature being confused and it just going either way.
00:25:43
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Because ultimately he's still receiving love. It's just how what that love is, i guess, provided, intended. I do personally feel it was more maternal.
00:25:58
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I mean, like right away, once once the cre once we see Victor succeed in creating the creature, like he immediately locks him up and... Victor's like gentle with him at first, but I think it's a pretty quick descent into like the hate and the fear and the anger that Victor feels towards the creature.
00:26:17
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And for a while, it's like, that's all he really knew. But once Elizabeth comes to the scene, he sees something a lot more gentle. Like it feels like the creature just like right off the bat is...
00:26:31
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more is more um like pure and and innocent. And I think he wasn't getting that with Victor. Once Elizabeth comes in, he can kind of see like, oh, okay. So like the hate isn't the only thing that's there.
00:26:46
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Like there is this, this love and this belonging, which I think later on prompts him to wanting a companion from Victor. Yeah. I think that's great point where,
00:26:58
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I think he kind of observes in, in those moments with Elizabeth, that the hatred is, i guess, taught, not innate.
00:27:10
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Yeah. Which, which could be maybe a message that someone could take from the movie, but pretty important these days, I think. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. ah We already kind of hit on this one.
00:27:21
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um In the book, the creature murders much more in the movie. Most of the killing that he does is in self-defense. He's more sympathetic. um He tells that story of the farmers and the wolves as he's observing the first interaction between the farmers and the wolves and the way that they're shooting at it him. He's like, I realize that they don't.
00:27:39
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hate each other that's just kind of just the way things are and so that's kind of what the creature takes moving forward is anytime he does kill it is more defense and more um i guess animalistic do you guys think I guess I kind of already asked the question, but would you have wanted to see more of the, uh, more aligned with the book, this creature, make him more, instead of morally gray kind of like have him be more morally gray. Like I, I would think that he's really not morally gray in this movie. I think he's pretty.
00:28:15
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Maybe tad more. I don't think too much though. You don't want him to kind of go over the overboard. I do think he kills like a little bit more then he probably should.
00:28:27
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In the movie, considering he knows he's indestructible and continues to just tank people. Like the sailors. Like the sailors. And the wedding party. The opening scene with the sailors is crazy.
00:28:40
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Yeah. There was that scene, I think he took someone's head like clean off. And the way that guy's like body just crumpled. There's a couple kills in this one where it's like, whoa. Yeah. Yeah.
00:28:52
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Yeah, the one at the farmhouse is pretty gnarly with the wolf. Yeah, he just grabs that dude's jaw the bottom. Oh, yeah, oh rips it off his head. Yeah, that was nuts. All right. Do you think he'd be good at ball?
00:29:04
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What kind of ball? i don't know. Like you think Frankenstein could be hooping? I think he'd be really good at foosball. Why you don't think this guy could be like a center power forward? He just wants to read his books.
00:29:17
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He doesn't care about balls. So does LeBron.
00:29:21
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He is a reader.
00:29:24
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I bet LeBron's read Frankenstein. and Last one. In the book, Victor dies still hating the creature in the movie. Forgiveness between the creature and Victor. How do
Performance Highlights and Oscar Potential
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you guys feel about the ending?
00:29:37
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Would you prefer the tragic ending of Mary Shelley's book or the more hopeful approach of Del Toro? I was expecting the tragic ending. But like I said before, I think, I don't know if this was Del Toro's intention, but I think the message here but with this point is just were what's more needed at the time.
00:29:59
Speaker
I don't know if that's how he makes his projects, but that's that's how I'm interpreting it, at least. I like the forgiveness route, but I think it wraps up a little too cleanly.
00:30:13
Speaker
There's like a little too like bit of a bow on it. It's accepted too easily. Yeah. It's like, okay, I guess I heard your story and. Yeah, I just killed all those sailors. I'll forgive you. And they smooch.
00:30:26
Speaker
It's like, shit, you're right. Not Breaking kisses.
00:30:32
Speaker
I would take a Franken-kiss. Is this the point of most um contention? the All the ones I listed out, I think, are the the biggest things that I've seen online that people didn't like.
00:30:45
Speaker
But I mean... it It works for me. I it's also prefer the more hopeful approach. And like I said, like I really like Del Toro.
00:30:56
Speaker
And in watching like some of his interviews...
00:31:02
Speaker
What is that? That would have been great for the ghost stories portion. Oh, that would have. Alex is holding a flashlight to his face. Under face. In a well-lit room. he just...
00:31:17
Speaker
The way you do that makes you look like you don't have eyebrows. Now look like me a goth. Shouldn't have eyebrows. All right, question. handsome Handsome level of Jacob Lorty as the creature. One through ten.
00:31:30
Speaker
Uh, okay. Start of it. He's pretty like freaky boy. Handsome when he gets that like long emo incel hair, not as handsome. Oh, I disagree. I think he's more handsome with the long. No, he looks like the kind of guy who rolls up in a trench coat and didn't shower. He does Didn't shower with his trench coat.
00:31:50
Speaker
But instead of saying, I'm going to kill my dad, he says, don't come into school tomorrow. You were always nice to me, man. And then he shoots up math class. And he shoots up the math class.
00:32:02
Speaker
What was that noise? Oh, my God. It was Frankenstein. And it's got the loudest i got Gmail notification. Did you hear it? I got that, too. know whose it was. That pierced my ears.
00:32:14
Speaker
thought it was you. Tachi, what is the handsome level for you, 1 through 10? I mean, personally... I think looks great through the entirety of the film, even when he's crawling around like Gollum.
00:32:27
Speaker
I didn't mind. I didn't mind it either. i have this towards the end, but i want to bring it up now. So a fun fact about this movie. Elordi was cast only nine weeks before shooting.
00:32:41
Speaker
Before him, Andrew Garfield was set to play the creature, but had to drop due to scheduling conflicts. What do we think this movie would have been like with Andrew Garfield as the creature?
00:32:55
Speaker
Could he have pulled it off? I think he could definitely pull off the gentleness of this Frankenstein monster. um like the Like newborn baby-ness.
00:33:10
Speaker
and I don't know what I was just trying to say, but... you You know what I mean? Yeah. But in terms of the ferocity, i don't know. He also doesn't quite have the build as Jacob Lordy.
00:33:23
Speaker
Yeah. Hold on. i want to see. Lordy's like a giant. Alex, you can give your opinion. I'm looking up how tall Andrew Garfield is. ah lordy's a big dude yeah he's lordy's six five there jacob lordy it was a big deal when he was elvis in priscilla because he he the the height difference between him and um what is kaylee spainy was so high yeah like she was tiny he was huge i actually think worked in the movie
00:33:55
Speaker
I liked that he was so big because like Frankenstein was supposed to be big in this. Like he's kind of like a, almost like a demigod build. There were some frames or some shots in this movie where it seemed like he was bigger than normal.
00:34:12
Speaker
I don't know if you know what I mean, but it was like he was taking up more of the screen than he should have been based on where he was standing and in the shot. but That's movie magic.
00:34:23
Speaker
I don't know. yeah i don't know if I imagined that or not, but it was really cool. That's blocking 101, brother. But he is giant. He's Andrew Garfield is five ten And he's he's a little soft looking.
00:34:39
Speaker
It would be like me trying to be the Frankenstein monster. Would I be scary? I don't think so. i would love to be scary. but I agree with you. I think that he could do more baby Frankenstein, like that gentleness, like him in the nature, like feeding feeding the deer and everything like that. I think he could do that.
00:34:57
Speaker
Yeah. And I'll admit I was a little skeptical when I heard Jacob Elordi was going to be the creature. I was a little skeptical, but I'm happy to report.
00:35:10
Speaker
I think that man did a great job. I think so too. I think you was the best part of the movie. Me too. I would agree. He's doing a lot of... Not only just like great body acting, but his eyes...
00:35:25
Speaker
have this like very gentle look to them as well as like they're able to like convey like so much pain. One of my favorite scenes is towards the end of the movie when he is dragging Victor out of the tent and And he says something. He's like, you only listen when I hurt you or something like that.
00:35:46
Speaker
And so he gets the dynamite and tries to blow himself up like with Victor. And sure enough, the smoke clears. He's still standing there. And like half of his face is kind of blown off. You can see like his eye protruding out. The other one's is normal.
00:35:59
Speaker
And he's like the camera zooms in on him and he's looking around just like disappointed again that like nothing can kill him. and he's got And he's like crying. like One of his eyes is like bulging out, but the one that's not is just filled with like tears.
00:36:14
Speaker
And I was like, oh my god. This guy is great. I think my favorite moment of his was the first time that he says Elizabeth and Victor hears it. Like when he's about to burn the thing. And he like does that look up.
00:36:28
Speaker
yeah It's like he knows that he's being fresh. Yeah. Yeah, I like that scene a lot. That was a really good scene because Victor's like... He's almost like passing the blame to him, to the creature. Or just like literally say anything else. I'm like, I won't do this.
00:36:45
Speaker
And then he does. And he's like, you mother. Yeah. i I still got to do it. I didn't think you would do it. I got one more in me.
00:36:57
Speaker
What are are some other some other favorite scenes or performances that you guys want to shout out? How about Mia Goth? How do you feel about her two roles? She was just kind of fine in this. I think she was fine.
00:37:08
Speaker
It was my first time. wasn't blown away. She wasn't bad. Yeah, it was good. first This was your first Mia Goth movie? Yep. Oh, interesting. Again, got another double performance. Buddy, you have to see Infinity Pool, and Pearl.
00:37:22
Speaker
I've got to? Yeah, there's some crazy, crazy Mia Goth action. He'd love Infinity Pool. I can't tell if you're being sincere. You would love Infinity Pool. Actually.
00:37:34
Speaker
You would love Infinity Pool. I'll add it to the watch list right now. One second. I'll trust in you. I just want to confirm. Yeah, no.
00:37:48
Speaker
Okay. no yeah no no love No, yes. No, you would love Infinity Pool. You should go to Infinity Pool's letterbox page right now and add it. You bitch. I see who the director is.
00:38:00
Speaker
To be fair, it's not him. It's not that cronins Cronenberg. Tachi hates the family. ah Connected by blood. Automatically disqualifies.
00:38:11
Speaker
it He's got a blood feud against the Cronenbergs. Literally. Like the Hatfields and the McCoys. I didn't want to say ah the the old man from the farm.
00:38:24
Speaker
He plays Filch from Harry Potter. Oh, he does. That's one of my favorite sequences in the movie. Yeah. That whole little arc was really cool. And that action scene with the wolves was sick.
00:38:38
Speaker
They used real wolves. Or they had a real wolf on set. You couldn't tell because they looked all fully CGI. Right. Was it a real wolf or was it like one of those people on TikTok who were like, I am alpha wolf.
00:38:52
Speaker
It was one of those. It was a furry. He was kind of just bouncing around set. It's still Toro's son. He's just hanging out. God damn it.
00:39:06
Speaker
I had to bring my son to work today. I saw a ah ah fur tail at the airport in Charlotte. What do you mean? Like, was walking around, and I saw someone with one of those furry tails.
00:39:17
Speaker
Just out of their pants? I think. Maybe it was on their belt loop or something. Like, maybe like a purse hanging down, but I saw one. Is that how they signal? I don't know.
00:39:29
Speaker
Signal? yeah I wouldn't know. I'm not... it's like you know more i was trying to catch I was trying to catch you and in in the middle of a lie. I actually think Tachi knows.
00:39:42
Speaker
Who would be a furry out of the three of us? Let us know in the comments.
00:39:48
Speaker
I think I'm screwed here. Based on a photo shoot.
00:39:56
Speaker
One furry after another. You can't have one battle after another puns again. Oscar Isaac. I liked him a lot. I did too.
00:40:08
Speaker
Do you think he has awards potential? We're in that part of the year where we got to start bringing this up. Do you think he had awards potential? I don't know. i don't i didn't get the vibe. So I had this as a like our ending segment, but I don't think so.
00:40:25
Speaker
I don't think either. ah Yeah, go ahead. I wouldn't be surprised if he's in the conversation, but... I also would not be surprised more if he was a nominee.
00:40:39
Speaker
Do you guys remember we talked about in our Oscar episode, we did bring up Frankenstein, i think quite a few times. Do you remember what we said? i got to look, I got to go back and listen to it and write it down so we have it.
00:40:52
Speaker
So we have it in writing. But after watching this movie, I think Frankenstein will for sure get a nomination for costume.
Symbolism and Themes Exploration
00:41:02
Speaker
I don't know what else though.
00:41:04
Speaker
I don't remember being blown away by the score, but also didn't have it up that loud. So maybe that's my fault. Oh yeah. You got to fucking blare it.
00:41:18
Speaker
I will next time. don't know. What you guys think? what do you think it's future at the Oscars is? I feel like it's going to sneak in with like a makeup award and then that's probably it. Yeah. that That's the vibe it's kind of giving. I think it'll get one or two nominations.
00:41:31
Speaker
Maybe one. Costume him and makeup. Yeah. I'd have to see what it's up against, but the costumes in this movie were great. I loved them. How do you guys feel about Elordi's makeup as the creature?
00:41:45
Speaker
I liked it, but I thought it looked a tad too much like Prometheus. Do you? Okay. That's a, that's a great point. So Frankenstein also known as the modern Prometheus.
00:41:58
Speaker
In fact, they bring up Prometheus a couple times in this movie. Do you think the look of a Lordy as the creature, do you think that was purposeful to make him kind of look like the engineers in Prometheus?
00:42:15
Speaker
Because maybe I'm going to guess probably I don't think del Toro is the kind of guy that would just like accidentally do that. I think everything has a purpose. What's the connection here?
00:42:26
Speaker
So there is none really. It'd be like an homage to Prometheus, the alien movie, not the Greek mythology. It's like it's a nod to Prometheus, the alien movie, which is like at all a nod to Prometheus, the Greek mythology.
00:42:41
Speaker
They're all kind of in a circle, shaking hands with each other. I guess I just don't get it. I don't get why there's a connection or conversation about this at all. Like, Moeke, you said they were... You know who Prometheus is, right? No. Mythology.
00:42:55
Speaker
The Greek mythology guy? Nope. He's the guy who gives like heat from the sun to humans to give them fire, and then the gods chain him to a rock, and a vulture eats out his liver every day, and then it grows back, and the vulture eats it every day.
00:43:11
Speaker
Like, that's his eternal torture. It's his shtick. What did he yeah what you do to deserve that? perme He gave humans fire. and he gave Yeah, he gave humans fire. Okay, so he was being nice, and now...
00:43:22
Speaker
Yeah, something he wasn't supposed to do. And so he was eternally chained to a rock and every night an eagle would come and eat out his liver and then and it would regenerate. And so he was just and he felt the pain. So that was that was forever.
00:43:36
Speaker
That's why they call. That's also why like Oppenheimer is also like the modern Prometheus as well, because he gave us like the the tools for nuclear weapons. That's why that they bring that up as well.
00:43:49
Speaker
And there's some like imagery in this movie for Prometheus the mythology, but yeah, I was also curious... Because there's a shot in this when he, when the Lordy makes it out of the castle, he goes on his fun little like slip and slide. And he wakes up like in the mud and dirt and everything. Like the way it's shot, like looks like it could be a shot like directly from Prometheus, the Ridley Scott alien movie, which I love that movie. was on board.
00:44:16
Speaker
I need to rewatch it. Yeah, I don't know. i I don't know if there's a tie there to the Prometheus alien movie, but um he did look a little too cleaned up for me.
00:44:28
Speaker
he I think he needed to be a little bit more janky, monstrous, more grotesque. Yeah. little more stitched together. Yeah. Should have seen at least one screw.
00:44:41
Speaker
Speaking of the scene of Victor Frankenstein assembling him. After he goes to the battlefield and is picking out body parts, that scene was great.
00:44:52
Speaker
That was a great scene. Again, I love love the scene where you first see him awake and have been moving around. When he wakes him up from the bed and they're doing yeah the mirror movements.
00:45:04
Speaker
Christoph Waltz. How do we feel about his character? Pointless? Useful?
00:45:12
Speaker
He was bald. Dude is bald as hell. yeah I didn't realize syphilis did that to you. neither. They bald. bald welts. I knew it made you go insane. They say that like Caligula had syphilis, that Hitler had syphilis.
00:45:30
Speaker
Not sure what the Hitler one, but Caligula I think is a solid explanation for him. You said you liked him? Yeah, no, i I did like him. I don't know if he was really that crucial to the story, but I like you in pretty much anything.
00:45:46
Speaker
It's hard not to like him. Yeah. this is my Yeah. I didn't realize that he was in this movie. And once he showed up, I was super excited. And then like in the blink of an eye, he was gone. And I was like, oh, okay.
00:45:59
Speaker
He did kind of feel shoved in there a little bit. He did. Like his character was stitched to the body of the movie. ah nine And then it came alive. Yes. I think going back to like whether we prefer the creature to be a bit more morally gray instead of sympathetic.
00:46:18
Speaker
I think there was like a route to go, at least with Christoph Waltz character, maybe interacting with the creature And maybe having that be like a kill.
00:46:29
Speaker
But like, other than that, I just, i I just feel like his character was, was a bit just like, yeah, just shoved in there for the sake of being shoved in there. Like, oh, we got Christoph Waltz.
00:46:40
Speaker
What do we do with him? Yeah. You are hiding enemies of the state, are you not? Wrong character, idiot. What? What? Was that the wrong character? Yeah, that was the other wrong character. Oh, God damn it. Moving on.
00:46:52
Speaker
Luke did the the three finger thing. You didn't get the character right. home That was a real one of these. It was literally this. Is that Hunger Games? No.
00:47:03
Speaker
No, Hunger Games is this. Oh, they're together. Okay. My bad. Hunger Games, Nazis, you know. Oh, it's pretty close. Both have pretty cringe fandoms.
00:47:16
Speaker
What else did I want to point out that I loved? Anything from you guys? I think that... you know what scene I loved? The scene in front of the like college tribunal thing.
00:47:31
Speaker
Oh, that's... Where he first like shows off his discoveries. I loved that scene. I really loved that scene. That was one of the best sequences in the whole movie, I think. I think that's what sold me on Oscar Isaac's performance as Victor Frankenstein.
00:47:48
Speaker
And then the little dude he had was just so cool. It was so like yeah creepy looking. it You know what? It kind of reminded me of in like a really weird way.
00:48:02
Speaker
and it's funny because you brought up Oppenheimer earlier. You know, the Oppenheimer scene where he's like, where the guy's like, it doesn't make sense. It does. It's a paradox or whatever. Yeah.
00:48:13
Speaker
It reminded me of that in like a disturbed way. It was kind of giving the same energy. yeah it like Yeah, it was. You have this guy and he's like so proud. He's like doing this little theatrical thing, but it's actually like the most like ungodly thing ever.
00:48:31
Speaker
and like the point is i mean The funny part is, this is one of the very rare times where I've seen like a Puritan in a movie being like, it's unholy! How dare you? And it's like, dude, he's right. like What are you doing?
00:48:44
Speaker
That shit would be scary as hell to see in person. Yeah. That's coming. Just wait. It surprised me. It's probably going to be a little bit more like the Rihanna men and invincible though.
00:48:57
Speaker
Just like mindless drones instead of. I am not caught up on invincible. Dude, what are you doing? I didn't watch the entire last season. I don't know where we're at. I'm like halfway through season three guys.
00:49:11
Speaker
Come on. The last thing that I saw was a baby. Oh, my God. And Mark went to see his dad on whatever planet he's on. And that's when he gets the baby. That was the last thing I remember seeing. And then he brings the baby back.
00:49:27
Speaker
You haven't even seen Conquest yet. No, you got to get on that. I'm sorry. You got to get on that. Invincible is my favorite superhero show on right now. There are so many shows.
00:49:38
Speaker
Yeah, and few of them are actually as worth watching as Invincible. Are you guys, sidebar, any good shows or recommendations? Are you watching anything good? I started Pluribus.
00:49:50
Speaker
Pluribus? did you say? want to watch that. was yours, Tachi? Oh, One Piece. Oh.
00:49:59
Speaker
Tachi's going to go into timeout.
00:50:03
Speaker
I saw... of it's It's funny that you bring up One Piece because I was actually thinking about you the other day. More so than I normally do. That's nice. But... I saw on Twitter some guy was like, I've started and stopped so many famous animes. i just couldn't get into them. I'm really trying to like anime. And he's like, so screw it. I'm going to give all of One Piece a shot.
00:50:24
Speaker
Like, if this doesn't convert me, nothing will. And I don't know where he is in the show. He name dropped some events, but he was just like, this has changed my life. And I was like, I was like, i got to do it.
00:50:38
Speaker
You have to do it. gotta do it. It is one of the greatest works of fiction. But before I start going on a whole different thing, let's finish Frankenstein.
00:50:49
Speaker
Okay. As much as that pains me.
Critique of Storytelling and Production Style
00:50:52
Speaker
Yeah, love the the scene at the school. What don't you guys love? What doesn't work? I think you're touching it. I'm going to gather my thoughts if you're ready to go. I'm not, but I'll piece something together.
00:51:05
Speaker
Dang it. What about you, Malik? You never go first. but
00:51:10
Speaker
This is not like a critical fault for me. But again, something that I've seen brought up a lot is that this movie just has a lack of nuance.
00:51:24
Speaker
Which. When that happens, is it necessarily a bad thing every single time? There's a lot of examples of it being bad of just like audience handholding and everything like that.
00:51:36
Speaker
There's a really bad example of audience handholding in this one. There is, and I think I know what you're talking about, but is it like halfway through the movie uh okay no mine's more towards the end what are you thinking christoph waltz and uh oscar isaac fighting and he goes you're the real monster victor okay so that was like come on like that one and then when william is dying and he's like i've always been afraid of you you're the real monster
00:52:08
Speaker
Oh, no. Was that it? Maybe that was it. Okay. i was like, does he say it twice? Does it happen twice? I think for sure as the brother says it. the brother Yeah, you're right. For sure the brother says it. Okay. that I watched this movie last night.
00:52:21
Speaker
Our brains are fried, but that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, but still. Yeah, that's a big point of criticism that I've seen brought up, but like... it doesn't It doesn't kill it for me. which Oh, it like killed that it. I'm kind of surprised by, like, for myself. Because, like, shit like that will be, like, I'm like, oh, okay.
00:52:37
Speaker
Shut up. But, like, i it just it just didn't for me. I don't like it. I'm not a fan of it. I wish it wasn't in there.
00:52:49
Speaker
But it doesn't destroy anything for me. Does that make sense? It sounds like it killed it for you, though, Alex. Well, it didn't kill it for me, but it's such like a takes me out of the scene or I'm just like.
00:53:02
Speaker
Like, I have like a reaction to it. Any immersion that was going on is broken because now I'm just thinking about who who in Netflix's production studio was like we, we you know, the marketing data says that if you tell them the point of the movie, they like it better.
00:53:19
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. And whoever that guy is like, buddy, when when the apocalypse happens, I'm coming for you. You first among many people, but you first.
00:53:29
Speaker
It doesn't feel like Del Toro to just jump right out of the gate and say that because obviously one of the main takeaways of the Frankenstein story is that Victor is the actual monster.
00:53:47
Speaker
Wait, really? Versus, oh yeah, I don't know if you knew that. it's Spoiler! which Next you're going to tell me that Dracula sucks blood. I mean, it's even the tagline of the movie, I think. I think the tagline is, only monsters play God.
00:54:01
Speaker
Bruh. It's not like, immediately we get it. But that does feel like a higher up in Netflix station decision. Just be like, you know. Probably. I think he needs to say it.
00:54:14
Speaker
We need our Avengers Assemble moment. I don't always hate it. Like, yeah, when I think about my experience with parents labyrinth, I've only seen it once and I was a child. So all I really knew watching that movie is that I'm eight years old and I'm scared.
00:54:32
Speaker
Because that's kind of how the whole movie felt. Yeah, that hand thing still haunts me. But who wins in the creepy off the pan's labyrinth hand guy or Buffalo Bill in Silence of the Lambs?
00:54:47
Speaker
Pan's labyrinth. I don't know, man. Pan's labyrinth. I didn't see the pan's labyrinth guy do the tuck. No.
00:54:59
Speaker
Okay, but he's got his own tuck going on. Pan's Labyrinth or Mr. Pipes? Pan's Labyrinth. Pan's Labyrinth, because I don't even know what Mr. Pipes looks like. yeah Captain Howdy or Pan's Labyrinth?
00:55:11
Speaker
yeah I do not want to deal with the Pan's Labyrinth guy. I also watched that for the first time when I was really young. I was scared, but like that movie enchanted me. No.
00:55:22
Speaker
I love it. There's something wrong with you. I love the voice of the fawn. That is so... It's such a dark movie. How can it... It's a beautiful movie, though. I love the fawn in that one. His voice is all crackly and like... You should rewatch it, Tachi. should. It a beautiful movie.
00:55:42
Speaker
And that, like... That's why I really like del Toro because he's like, he just seems like such a genuine guy and his movies have so much like heart to them, which is why like I'm a fan of the way this movie wraps up.
00:55:58
Speaker
I love how much he hates AI. Me too. Movies. yeah He made the theater all chant fuck AI at one of those showings that he had of Frankenstein. God, is our guy?
00:56:10
Speaker
Dude, Del Toro's our guy. i wouldn't mind. He's so nice. ah You guys didn't... Did you give me a scene moments that you don't love? I really only had one and it was just that the the boat sequences, just none of them felt...
00:56:28
Speaker
right to me there was just something off and it was kind of taking me out of it so one topic that's brought up a lot is uh like the netflix vacation of movies is looking too clean do you guys feel that with this movie yes i feel that would be with lot of movies lately yeah i it's i i think it's literally just studios being lazy it's unholy i hate I hate them.
00:56:57
Speaker
I hate... Like, I actually hate it. i have so much hate in my heart for the Netflix occasion of movies. It looks terrible. It does.
00:57:08
Speaker
I'm 100% with you. I know Netflix has... um a list of netflix approved cameras for their shows and their movies and i think they just shoot everything like very flat from a lighting perspective to not do much in post and try to save money on color grading and editing and everything like that which gives us this but the the worst part is they aren't good at it because like no let's let's use snack shack for an example That movie was what film was a nice camera in a guy's hometown.
00:57:45
Speaker
Could have been probably a budget of less than 50 K with a not Netflix grade camera. And it looks way better than like, it doesn't look Netflix sized. It's, and it's nothing special. It's, it doesn't even try to look good.
00:58:00
Speaker
It just looked good. Effort, effortlessly. there are parts there are parts of this movie that feel netflixified but there are a lot of like i think really beautiful shots one that comes to mind is in the beginning of the movie with the mother on the stairs and her red dress kind of flowing in the wind that was nice i was like wow i love victor's apartment Like the set design there.
00:58:30
Speaker
Oh, the ah whatever like hunched over guy he had kind of poking prodding in his back. Oh, back open on his table. Yeah. Was so cool.
00:58:42
Speaker
That was cool. i Imagine walking into someone's place though and seeing that. Oh, and then he like when he kind of gets the light bulb moment and figures out like where to connect something to make it kind of reanimated and it comes up with the jump scare and his jaw is kind of like half off.
00:58:58
Speaker
Actually, I did like the shot of the. ah I guess it was the lab, the the four giant things with the weird hole in the middle of the room. Yeah.
00:59:10
Speaker
That was cool. I like the ah design of that room, at least. One of the like parallel shots that I really love is the look of the creature before the lightning strikes.
00:59:21
Speaker
So, I mean, obviously there's a lot of symbolism, I think, when it comes to this movie like del Toro is is Catholic. And he puts a lot of that, like a religious imagery into his movie. So obviously, like you've got like a Jesus on the cross type of imagery when it comes to the creature.
00:59:38
Speaker
But also he's this red light that he has in the middle of his chest right ah right before that scene that I was talking about with the explosion of the dynamite. He holds the dynamite kind of close to his chest.
00:59:49
Speaker
Just for ah the parallel between the two shots. I really appreciate it. And i I think Del Toro is really good at adding that type of imagery to his movies, which...
01:00:01
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Helps with the quote unquote Netflixification of some of this because a lot of it still does feel intentional, even if 100% of it doesn't work. Well said. I agree.
Closing Thoughts and Sign Off
01:00:12
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That was really well said. I didn't even make that connection with the light, like the battery and then the dynamite. Beautiful. One gave him life and he's trying to take it away. You know, that's cool. I overall very much enjoyed this movie.
01:00:27
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I liked it a lot too. I know it's in theaters. I watched it at home. I wish I went to go see it in theaters. I was too tired to go see it in theaters. And I'm okay with, I spent a lot of money on my TV.
01:00:40
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So, you know, I'm not, yeah, of course I'm also not mad at like the setup. I have to watch movies at home. It probably would have enhanced the experience. I think so. Plus the studios need no money, right?
01:00:55
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Mm-hmm.
01:00:57
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Netflix needs more money. Yes. And we must give them more money. Have you guys seen the trailer? There's another Frankenstein type movie coming out in just a few months.
01:01:10
Speaker
What is it? Did you guys know this? No. It's called bride. It's porn version. It's called cranking Stein. Nice. Hold on. Let me find this for you guys. Bride.
01:01:23
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Oh, the bride. One sec. Directed by Maggie Gyllenhaal. ah Christian Bale. Christian Bale is Frankenstein or the creature. And Jesse Buckley is playing the bride of Frankenstein. The movie's called the bride.
01:01:36
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i I didn't know this was coming out until a few days ago. This trailer played before ah my showing of Die My Love.
01:01:46
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I want you guys to watch this trailer once we're done recording here. Let me know what you think. But I don't know. We'll see.
01:01:54
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It looks like something for sure. This is the second time in recent history that's happened. that Weren't there two Elvis movies like back to back? Well, there was Elvis and there was Priscilla. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's right.
01:02:07
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Which starred our boy, Jigga Balorty. It did. Closing thoughts on Frankenstein. What you guys got? little bit better than I thought it would Yeah, I'm a little peeved that you thought I would be like hating on it.
01:02:24
Speaker
It wasn't to offend you. I'm offended. I think I was managing my own expectations. For me, I thought you... you hate me? think well it hinged on the ending. like how you How you felt on the ending.
01:02:38
Speaker
That's what I thought where we could maybe part. But glad you liked it. I'm also glad I liked it. Alex, I'm also glad that you liked it. Maybe I didn't now. Maybe I didn't.
01:02:51
Speaker
If you want that from me, you know. No, I don't want that from you. I can be perfect girl in the perfect world and I can not like the movie and live up to your expectations. I'm my own human being, you know.
01:03:03
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That's true. i I am the creature. You're my creature.
01:03:11
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Hey baby girl, you my creature. Does the discussion sway you in any any other way? Or do you still feel out of four or need to rewatch? i i'm I'm good with the four.
01:03:23
Speaker
I will probably stay there. I think this actually swayed me to stay. swayed so much, I'm in the same spot. Good, good.
01:03:34
Speaker
Such is the life of being an indecisive person. Good, Anakin.
01:03:41
Speaker
I'm glad you got what I was doing. All right. You know what? I want one of you guys to close out the episode. I'm always messing it up. Thanks for listening and um tune in next time for the next episode of the Lost in Frame podcast.
01:03:56
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Have a great night.
01:03:59
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Bye. Bye.