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Paranormal Round Table - August
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In this episode, Mike, Michaela, Ash and Greg discuss haunted locations and what makes them haunted. Is it the history, is it the items in it or is it the inhabitants?
They also discuss the haunted museum in Stoke.
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Introduction and Podcast Framing
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Welcome to the worst nightmare of all. Reality.
Exploring the Unknown World
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Explore the lesser known stories of our unknown world. Join the pursuit of the paranormal with Ash and Greg.
Meet the Hosts and Guests
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Hello, everybody. Welcome to another episode of Paranormal Roundtable. I'm Greg from Sit at the Paranormal. We're joined by Michael from Paranomic, Michaela from Paranormal Awat Podcast, and as ever, Ashley from Sit at the Paranormal Podcast. Good evening, Gregory. Sunday names.
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Yeah, that's, that isn't actually my name. Nobody believes it. It's not actually my name. It's not on a passport. It's not on driver's license.
Speaking Habits and Interruptions
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Nowhere. No, just great. Well, there's something I need to tell you. Yes. How are we all?
00:01:10
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Yeah, good. Awesome. Yeah. I wasn't trying to jump in front of people because I normally have a habit of talking over people. So I was like, I'll wait for everyone else. I know I do that as well. And I listened back to podcast the next time I'm not going to do that. And then there I am cutting in. So I do apologize. Sat there cringing at myself over doing it. Yeah. So.
What Makes a Location Haunted?
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There's the four of us today, and we are gonna talk about what makes a location haunted, and we'll talk around that. And Michaela is gonna talk around a recent investigation that she's been on. And what happened on that? We don't even know yet, because we haven't even talked about it. We're gonna talk about it as it happens, so that'll be cool, that'll be cool. So before we do,
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What do we think makes a haunted location? Now, is it the contents? And the reason I say contents is because we went to the Stoke Museum that we talked about previously, and it's got all manner of content from weird environments, the East Drive door, all that kind of stuff. And
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I just wonder if that trumps the location or whether it's the people in it. I don't know. What do you think?
Factors of Hauntings: Energy and Objects
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I think you might have rested your phone on something because you've hit the thumbs up on the Facebook group chat quite a number of times, Craig. How did I do that? I have no idea, but we're all looking, going, what the fuck's that? Because we can hear doo-doo, doo-doo, doo-doo, every five seconds.
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I do apologize. I'll cut that out. That was two minutes in. That's not a great start. It's not a great start, is it? All right. All right. Thanks, guys. So what was the question? The question was, what makes a location haunted? Do we think it's the content? So
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Like we went to the Stoke Museum the other day, or the other week actually, and it's got a manner of haunted contents and, um, burying from the drive's front door, Ed and Lorraine Warren's personal effects, that kind of thing. And I wonder if that has more of a bearing on it than the location itself or
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whether the inhabitants, so around polkaists from some of the main stories, they seem to center around certain people. And I just thought that'd be a good topic conversation as to what specifically makes it haunted. Is it a combination of all three things? Is there something else that makes it haunted? And just because somebody says a place is haunted,
Psycho-geography and Hauntings
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what is there a kind of,
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Checklist that you could say does it need to be in one of those three categories? To make it haunted or is it something else so I will throw the floor open
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Michaela, I'll let you feel it first because I won't hear all the time and talk too much. I don't know whether my answer is particularly inspired, but I think it depends on the place. I think different things make different places haunted. I think that obviously there could be residual hauntings, which are maybe in the fabric of the building.
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There could be entities that follow people around. There could be something on the land. So regardless of what the structure of the house is, maybe it's the land that's haunted. So a short answer would be, I think it depends on each different case.
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I don't think that you could set up a sort of general list to make something haunted. And there might be a haunted object in there. I know some people don't really believe that. I think that objects can be haunted. I don't think it has to be some creepy doll or whatever. I think that things can attach themselves to material objects if it can attach if a spirit can attach itself to a house.
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which is just a bigger version of an object, surely it can attach to another object that's smaller. So I think there's lots and lots of different,
Stories vs. Tangible Hauntings
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yeah, you'd have to sort of do it on a case by case scenario, really. And there's my wisdom. Yeah, no.
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So that's perfectly reasonable. Yeah. Um, I, I would agree with the majority of that. Um, I definitely think there's an element of psycho, psychogeography that goes into things. And we've had, we've done an entire episode about commonalities in terms of haunted places, are you running water or old stone and things like that. But, um, psychogeography of certain places, say for instance, the Stoke museum that you've already mentioned, it's in an area of Stoke and I touched on this last episode, so I won't go on too much, but
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It's in an area of Stoke called Fenton where historically there's been a lot of murders and child murders. And as I say, it's almost as if that stains the earth.
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And then that influences more negative things to happen because negative things have historically happened there. In terms of them being person centric, I've only necessarily read about that in terms of poltergeist books and poltergeist phenomena being person centric rather than play centric in the sense of the activity following people to work or if they move house, the activity following people. Yeah, I don't really buy into the whole haunted object sort of thing.
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Michaela saying what is a house if not a larger object has maybe just sort of go oh yeah good point and maybe challenge my belief on that a little bit so bravo yeah i hadn't thought of that either same yeah i hadn't thought of that at all the fact that the house is just a big object so yeah look at that Michaela might be worth having a look into there yeah yeah definitely thank you Ash
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Yeah, so I think one of the sort of threads she didn't kind of mention there for me is, a lot of the time I think it's the story that's haunted.
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So to be an initial story or incident that's happened, then that incident gets marketed, pushed, retold over and over and over. It sort of takes the life of its own. And people expect the things to happen because it's happened in the past. So it could be nothing at that location that's actually happened or been haunted because the story has just grown. And we are in places that
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maybe just load of shit and it's just all for making money where people just it's the story that's haunted rather than actual location kind of on the kind of skeptical side of it i guess um in terms of actually haunted stuff
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Like Michaela said, it's probably case-specific. If you talk a lot about land and land being, if something's happening in that land, a lot of negative energy, or energy in general gets sort of kept there, then that energy then feeds into
Haunted Land and Historical Events
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things happening. So whether it's just that's the land side of it. It's a thing for me, when we've been to places,
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I think it has been more of the location itself, rather than objects or people. I think it has been the place, like we've been kind of chafed, my basement, Yorkings Head, Stork Museum, I think. There's so many jokes we can say about your basement there. I think, personally, it's one of the places that I've been,
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it seems to be the location that is the reason for stuff that happens, not any particular object or people that are in there. Okay, so we all, Mike and Ash talking about that, but we went to Stoke Museum and that is basing itself on the fact that it's got loads of haunted objects and we had,
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interesting experiences in there so are you saying that potentially it's not anything to do with those objects and it's the building itself because if that's the case what's i know some weird shit's happened in that building but what's the point of having all these haunted objects as such or these weird dark objects if they serve no purpose
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I think the first point, like Mike said, that area of Stalkwood's been lots of charm murders, weird stuff happening, that's surely got to be the area, the land, rather than even the building, obviously bigger than the building itself, the whole area. And the objects in there, I mean, it adds to, I mean, it's a museum. Like you have a museum of dinosaurs.
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Yeah, so it's like their day job as a museum is obviously the museum. You can go and see these objects. Yeah. Yeah, they got like the door from 30th Drive or it's Ed and Lorraine, Lauren, Lauren, Ed and Lorraine, Warren stuff. I said, no, she's cool. Yeah. But I just think it may be haunted. I think from my own experience, it's just been more the location rather than
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just to interject on that as well I believe there are documented murders inside of the Stoke Museum so it's not as if things haven't happened there and also I'm pretty sure I said on a previous episode maybe it's a combination of
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haunted building plus a bunch of haunted items and they just bounce off each other constantly and just essentially say, set each other
Paranormal Manifestations by Belief
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off. You know what I mean? We spoke to, um, a lady called Nikki McCarty on an episode, a wicked Nikki. That's her handle on Instagram, uh, or TikTok one or two. And she actually talked about the earth being unwell.
00:12:36
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one point that stuck with me quite a lot and I was thinking hmm that seems like I think so for example if you watch the film Polgeist the original one and they have these experiences based on the fact that this house in the state was built on an Indian underground or Native American underground
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And just in pet cemetary, the story of pet cemetary is that things were taken dead into this American Indian burial ground and they come back. So I don't know if the ground has a lot to do with it. With the location, like you mentioned, Makayla, the location of the wherever it is may be on
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some unwell land or some land that's had trauma in the past that kind of thing because you do see stories we spoke to John Edmunds at Stardust Ranch and he claimed to have seen Romans walking through his living room and I just wonder what even that means does is that some kind of residual haunting
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from something that was on the land, but I don't know if the Romans ever went to America. So it's just like, I don't know how that, that's explained just all sorts of stuff like that. But then I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I mean,
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The people thing, the people being haunted as such, there's a lot of poltergeist cases or predominantly the poltergeist cases all sent around a person in a particular household, the family. And I don't think that's necessarily linked to the location. I don't know, it all seems, because there's like the hitchhiker effect that happens. The Battersea poltergeist went to this girl's work and the scissors were thrown round at work and she was told to leave and all sorts of stuff is.
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It's weird. It's weird. Did you? No, Karen, Michaela. Am I right in thinking the Amityville horror was completely centered around the family and after those people left the house, the next people who lived there reported no phenomena at all? Yeah, I don't think there was anything after they all left. Yeah.
00:15:12
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which often happens, right? Have you, did you finish reading the South Shields poltergeist by chance, Greg? It's very good. But that's, again, that sort of sent, they believe initially it centers around a young boy. And then later on, they seem to think that it's targeting
00:15:32
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his stepdad or like the mum's boyfriend husband sort of thing, because it seems to want to get him out of the picture and seems to be a lot more violent towards him.
00:15:44
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I tell you what, I need to, I need to message my, that reminded me, my mum's cousin and all my mum's aunties and my nan, she come from South Shields. So I'll, I need to tap them up. That's just reminded me and see what they know about it. One thing we haven't touched on, could it be some sort of human psychic manifestation that causes hauntings?
00:16:14
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I was going to bring that up actually because I can't remember who it was I was talking to not long ago and we were talking about the idea that if you
00:16:30
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gave credence to the idea that every thought has a physicality. And the idea that if hundreds of people or thousands of people all believe in the same thing, can that then be created? I mean, there's modern day ones out there like Slender Man and things like that.
00:16:53
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But is it possible for these thought forms to actually be sort of concocted by lots of people believing in it? I think it's really interesting. Like a tulpa, right? Yeah. Where let's take our old favourite 30 East Drive, for instance, that it's been spoken about in the 50s or whatever, that it's haunted.
00:17:18
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And then because it's got that reputation, people keep going back and people, people keep believing it's haunted and does some sort of, as I say, weird psychic ability manifest a haunting in the sense of, as Michaela says, like a thought form or a tolper, an entity that's birthed from human thought, essentially. Yeah. That would be fascinating to know.
00:17:43
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but you get cases of like a mass hysteria that causes group things to happen to large groups of people. We've spoken to one guy and he was talking about like there was his mass fainting and stuff like that. And they couldn't find any reason
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for it. It's like even dogs got. Yeah, even dogs were getting ill and then there's been reported cases. I think it was in some school somewhere and all these people were starting to fall down but and all these kids but when they moved away from the sort of the main area, it they were normal again and it's like you talk about manifestations of things and I don't know if any of you are into TikTok and stuff like that.
00:18:38
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I knew that's where this conversation was going the minute you said about manifest and manifestations Greg. So if you, if you, if you look at a lot of these social media influences nowadays, mainly, I want to say the women, I don't know if it's the guys do it, it's only because I've got teenage daughters. So they go, who's in this person? No, so check them out. But there's
00:19:03
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there's people that genuinely believe that you can manifest your own luck or your own money and annoys kinds, which I kind of get, it's like a positive mental attitude. But isn't that essentially what's happening in these other things? People, they've got this idea and it just manifests itself. We're like the law of attraction stuff, right? Where if you can sort of visualize yourself as
00:19:32
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having a lot of money, then for some people that becomes true. And whether that's a case of, because it starts to enter your subconscious or your psyche, you then start to make moves to get you to that point consciously or unconsciously. It's a big thing. And I've seen it happen with people where they can manifest something that they want into reality. But I don't necessarily know if that's a psychological trick that
00:19:57
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because you're thinking about it constantly and manifesting it, that then changes your brain pattern to make you take steps to getting there. So would that be the same in the case of some kind of haunting that you go, well, I can hear that knocking noise. Yeah. Is that a ghost? And then over time, your brain's just going, that can't be the house making that noise. Let's take it back to the Stoke Haunted Museum and one way downstairs going, can you knock again, please? And it's on command.
00:20:27
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I was to say that's not a people in a room wanting that to happen in our collective thought forms of making it happen, you know. But in some way, like I always say these sorts of things, which is, isn't that almost as incredible as if it was a ghost? Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. So it's no it's no less kind of incredible. But doesn't that
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Doesn't that sort of come to, same with my haunted hotel. Everybody's in these rooms going, can you make a noise? Can you knock up, knock on a
Philosophical Questions on Reality
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wall? And that many people, and that was suggested when we spoke to the girls from, to investigate, they were, they were talking about the fact that, is it? Because over the years at these kinds of locations that people have sort of said, can you knock on the wall? Can you knock? Can you tap? That kind of thing that it's, it's become a thing. And maybe there's like,
00:21:24
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there's something leading into that as to why super skeptical people or people who don't necessarily believe in the paranormal, who end up going on investigations sometimes have nothing happen because maybe because they don't think it's going to happen, it doesn't happen. Whereas the other thing can be said for people who wholeheartedly believe in the paranormal and floorboards creaking is paranormal to them. Maybe they block it. Maybe they psychically block it.
00:21:49
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Yeah. You know what would be really interesting is if somebody did an investigation at my haunted hotel and but it was a silent investigation so for the whole night nobody asked anything nobody provoked anything people just observed what if anything happened that would be really interesting actually. Yeah absolutely and unfortunately I've not really done it but I've toyed with the idea of
00:22:16
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I think I might mention this before going on an investigation and not actually doing any calling out. Yeah. Just having a chat as normal. Just having a chat and just, oh yeah, how are you doing? House kids, blah, blah, blah. And just seeing if activity starts happening around you. Because again, that'll be less in line of you trying to manifest something by going, oh, if you're here, can you knock for us and actually asking for it?
00:22:39
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But would that mean then that it's some kind of sentient entity? Because it's got, if it starts to try and attract your attention, that means it's got some kind of intelligence. You'd have to try and ascertain if it, or sorry, ascertain if it would be residual order and intelligent though, right? But if it's purposely knocking or making things happen around you,
00:23:08
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just because you're there. Doesn't that suggest it knows you're there? Unless it's just your energy that's here we are with energy again. But maybe it's just the human energy, the human, you know, that kind of stirs up the atmosphere a bit. I don't know. Maybe we are like batteries in that term of, you know, kind of
00:23:35
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energy. And I know Mike's not so keen on the energy theory, but, um, I feel like, I feel like a cock after calling you out on it last time and you've been like, well, it's energy. And then be Googling it and being like, right, what you're saying checks out. So I'm on board with it. No, but just, just the idea that we're, um, I mean, obviously when we're leaping about and we're all super excited, it's, it's almost like friction, isn't it? With the atmosphere creating maybe
00:24:03
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like air pressure, friction of air pressure. Yeah. But are we even if we were still does does our kind of bodily energy interact with the atmosphere a bit like a battery? I don't know. Well, we give off electromagnetic frequencies. Yeah, very small ones. There could be an element of that.
00:24:24
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I don't know. Part of me wants to believe that it's the power of the human mind that we don't know enough about yet to say it could be this, this, or this.
00:24:41
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If it's the power of the human mind, is that not even right that I mentioned? Is that just phenomenal in itself? It's still crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like not to bang on again, but from doing like some of the mediumship psychic stuff.
00:24:56
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and then starting to believe that the concept of God is just a consciousness, a cloud of consciousness somewhere where the spirits or souls or consciousness of whoever passes away goes up into this conscious cloud and it's just a mass collection of consciousness that can be tapped into. Yeah.
00:25:19
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We're all getting a bit existentialist now. I'll get a bit deep. I'm starting to just see her and I'm not really too sure where I fit into the universe anymore. But when you start to think about how much we, how little we actually know about fucking everything is
Interpretation of Paranormal Events
00:25:39
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insane. How much of our day-to-day, how much in your day-to-day life do you do just because it's based on a theory by someone somewhere?
00:25:49
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And it's just like, fuck yeah. Like when people talk about space and stuff and they go, oh yeah, we've got this massive telescope and we've seen this in the other. And it's like, but that's just you telling us that. And this isn't, and this isn't an argument for why the earth's flat at all, but, but it's that sort of scenario, right? Like how much of. Tim foil hat. Yeah. How much, how much of our reality is just things that we're told and not actually subjected to.
00:26:17
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Absolutely. What blows my mind, and I know it's all maths, but they put the James Webb telescope out in the L2 orbit and this point in space where basically gravity pulling you out and gravity pulling you in is like a dead zone. So they can stick the telescope there. And it won't move. And it won't move. How
00:26:42
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And like you say, we're only told that that's happened. I don't know. I can't see the thing with my own eyes. I'm having to trust these people. I mean, we're going down a bit of a rabbit hole here, but going back to the manifestations, it's a very similar thing that's done in like CE5, for example, with UFOs that you start calling out, you're trying to,
00:27:11
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manifest these craft and it happens for a lot of people but is that object in the sky any different to a ghost or a spirit or an entity in a house that it's a concept of what your brain
00:27:32
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manifests it like from from inside your mind out physically I mean it's possible that it's not the same thing presenting itself in the way that you're asking it to yeah because you're saying I want to see a craft in the sky essentially or you interpret it in the way that is most comfortable for you
00:27:54
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It's difficult to know. It's like the age-old question of if a tree falls in a forest and there's nobody there, does it make a noise? It's like, well, we don't know because we weren't there. But if you've got a camera there, then someone is technically there, even though there isn't anyone there. But if the camera wasn't there, would it know that? Is it making a noise just because the camera's there?
00:28:20
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Oh, is it? Yeah. Is the tree going? Oh, well, there's no point in making a noise because no one's there to listen. Can't be asked. That is a main character theory where something like that, where like, I can only see the room and I'm in now. So the outside of my window, the curtains are closed. I can't see it.
00:28:41
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that might not exist therefore it doesn't exist yeah it only exists when i open a curtain and look outside it's not actually there until i see it and that the whole world could be like that are you keeping up everyone and also when we stop talking you guys cease to exist until yeah talk again and also the your brain oh sorry your all your senses are basically sensors for your brain to be able to locate itself in a space that it's not aware of
00:29:14
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Hmm. Wow. Because, you know what I mean? Like, and. That's it. It goes back to showing this cat then, really. I was going to mention that as well. Like both possibilities are, are correct because you don't know either way. Till you open that box, you don't know if the cat is either dead or alive. So technically it's both at the same time. Yeah. Which is mental to think about. And I'll try to explain that to my kids and they're like, well,
00:29:42
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It's got to be one of them. I said, it is one of them, but it's also both of them at the same time. Until the box is open, it's both. I tried having this conversation with Patsy, who wholeheartedly believes in ghosts. And I was like, well, do you believe in God? And she goes, no. I was like, but the probability of them, or they're both equally as likely as each other. And she was like, no, no, it can't be. No, ghosts are definitely more likely to be real than God. And I'm like,
00:30:13
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No, no, no. We can't, we can't prove them either way. They're both equally likely, both equally likely the same value. Like we don't know, therefore. It's crazy, isn't it? I've been super deep for a Tuesday. Well, it's good, man. It's because we had a bank holiday, that's why. Yeah, we've had an extra day to sit in our own thoughts and be like. I didn't even know what the day was earlier. Yeah, mate. Oh, it's Tuesday today, yeah. I was like, fucking hell.
Paranormal TV Shows and Skepticism
00:30:43
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But it's true though, it is a lot of it, essentially, created by the mind. I think that's it in a nutshell, isn't it? And a lot of hauntings can be put down. The people are just interpreting what they see and what they hear as something paranormal. And you see it across Facebook and social media a lot. The people going, but I've seen this and I caught this on camera.
00:31:14
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The light reflects off the back of your iPhone. Well, you said somebody, did you take it on an iPhone? They go, yeah, why? How did I know that? Because that anomaly comes up like that in an iPhone. I have to say, though, it's down to interpretation. I was one of my favorite kind of ridiculous programs.
00:31:40
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are one of my favorite programs, which I like to watch with my youngest son because it's the only thing he'll watch with me to do with the paranormal. And it's ridiculous. Well, there's two. There's the American one, Paranormal Caught on Camera, and the British one, an Explained Caught on Camera. And I cannot get enough of those programs because I sit there
00:32:08
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and we were talking about the fact that it's all based on your own interpretation because I sit there and I go oh that's ridiculous that's not a UFO that's you know some light in the sky that's not that's not a UFO that's a meteor it's plainly a meteor going across the sky that's not a ghost it's plainly blah blah blah blah blah and then the next one I'll come and I'll go oh no that's real
00:32:34
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Oh my goodness, that's really freaky. And then afterwards, if I was thinking about it sort of sensibly, it's like, I have no idea what's real and what's not, because I wasn't there filming those things. But yet some of them, I'd sort of put money on them being real. And some of them I'm sort of going, oh, don't be ridiculous.
00:32:57
Speaker
They're actually a really good program to watch, to learn how to spot crap videos. It's like you say, some of them, you go, who's even put this on TV? And this so-called expert from some well-known podcast, because I recognize the name of it. And I'm like, you're saying, well, it definitely could be this, this and this. I'm like, what?
00:33:24
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Are you mental? And they're saying stuff and it's just like, it's clearly faked or what, but then like you say, Michaela, I wasn't there. So I don't know. I love the ones that get me are the ones where they go into these old buildings in like South America. They go into, open up the door of this cell or whatever. They look around the corner, there's this little creature in the corner and they freak out and run out. And you only see it for a brief second.
00:33:54
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you're like I so wish that was real yeah but in my heart I know it's not and it's done for clicks and but I don't know but then was it I don't blurry creatures blurry creatures and uh but yeah I watch I've got them all on record as well I like putting them on series and when I've got nothing else to watch I will put them on there and then like fast forward some of them I'm like I'm
00:34:21
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Yeah. There's some that are truly Georgia. Yeah, some of them. And you just think, I really hope that's real. I really hope it is. But of course, you never know. Absolutely.
Recent Investigation: Old Castle Cottage
00:34:34
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Absolutely. So, Michaela, you recently went somewhere and had an investigation that we haven't even spoken about. That's right. Well... Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it.
00:34:48
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I hope my group don't mind me talking about it, but I know that they will be the other realm. I went down to Salisbury with the other realm. Please check out their Facebook page because they put on their YouTube. They're going to put a video footage of what happened to us there. And it was very interesting. It's a place called the Old Castle Cottage.
00:35:17
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in Wiltshire and it's a very old cottage I think it's 16th century I want to say and it's built in the grounds of an old castle which is no longer there but the moat still stands around where the castle used to be. Now
00:35:43
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I don't want to say that there is stuff here and there isn't stuff there because I'm sure that every time people go they get have different experiences we didn't get anything at the castle but we got quite a few things in the cottage and they were very subtle but obviously we need to still go through all our footage but the two main three main things that we had we had
00:36:12
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The sounds of people walking across the floorboards on the first floor when we were on the ground floor, that happened twice. We had
00:36:25
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A couple of really good EVPs, one where someone said the name of the person who was talking to the spirits, and as she was saying at the end of recording, it said her name over her voice.
00:36:45
Speaker
So that was quite whoa. That really freaked her out. But the main thing happened right at the beginning before, of course, before we got this camera set up, before we got the voice recorders recording. So we've only got our own ears to sort of go back on. And that was the sound of a lady humming. And it was the sort of mindless humming that you might do when you're doing quite a boring job.
00:37:16
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So I don't know if any of you are prone to dusting or, you know, sweeping or that, but that sort of sort of. OK. And we were sat in the kitchen. And I turned around to one of the other people and looked at her as if to say, can you hear that? And she looked at me.
00:37:41
Speaker
And then we both looked into the hallway and there was someone else in the living room and we shouted out, were you humming? She was like, no. So then we went around everybody. There was somebody outside and, but there was no one in that, in the corridor and it was definitely humming. So yeah, make of that what you will.
00:38:07
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but we didn't get any responses. Everything was audio that we had. So maybe it could just be residual because it seemed to be kind of happening regardless of what we were doing.
Challenges in Paranormal Investigations
00:38:22
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Okay, the footsteps is an interesting one then because
00:38:26
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like I suppose you could you could put one particular noise down as like a building sound a creek or something like that but footsteps is there's quite a distinctive motion and they sound like we heard footsteps and you can't really
00:38:46
Speaker
Dismiss those as anything other than what he they kind of are. Yeah Because it's repeated isn't it? It's not just one noise. Excuse me It it was all the way across the floor and the only thing because we had it again right at the end of the night So it was about three o'clock in the morning And the only thing that we wondered we couldn't tell for the first set but the
00:39:12
Speaker
The second set was above the living room. Now, there are two cottages joined together.
00:39:19
Speaker
So we wondered whether someone was going to the loo in the cottage next door and the floorboards might span the entire top floor. And I know that does happen a lot in old houses that if somebody walks in their cottage, then your floorboards creak because they're all connected. So that could be a possible explanation for that.
00:39:44
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that's quite not to keep going on about the haunted hotel but you could see why in older buildings that people um hear stuff quite innocent stuff and and can be quite weird and like you say old buildings where they sort of span across multiple buildings
00:40:08
Speaker
Yeah, who's because I mean the walls in a lot of the old buildings are super thick. Yeah. Like my one of my nan's houses, they had like these real thick walls and there was nothing going through them. But upstairs and some of the floorboards you could.
00:40:24
Speaker
could hear a mouse sort of walk across it because they were so squeaky and stuff like that. So it's interesting with the old buildings that that plays a big part and I wonder if certain types of hauntings of old buildings are just people not understanding how the building sounds. Yeah, one of the things that we were
00:40:49
Speaker
We weren't sure whether we managed to sort of debunk it in the end due to faulty equipment but in the main bedroom for about half an hour we had motion sensors and they were going off constantly when nobody was in the room but we did reset them
00:41:14
Speaker
and then it didn't happen so much. So whether maybe there was a bout of activity and then it dissipated or maybe it just was the equipment being a bit funny. But a lot of things, it's well worth going. It's not scary. It's just odd. It's like things were constantly happening in a different room to what you were in.
00:41:39
Speaker
so much so that you'd sort of be second guessing yourself going, did I just hear that? Like with the humming, everybody going, did everybody hear that humming? And then you sort of going, we did hear that humming, didn't we? But it wasn't something that you could kind of catch. It was always out of reach, which kind of made it more fascinating anyway. It's like a horror film.
00:42:07
Speaker
Yeah, but a kind of unspooky horror film anyway, except for the talking on the EVP, that was a bit freaky. But you're going there, Mike, aren't you? Is that right? Yeah, December with the events company. I go to a lot of events with Everglow. They're doing sort of a private team event there in December. I think every December they'll do like a Christmas team event. Do you know why they decided to go there?
00:42:37
Speaker
Um, uh, yeah. Uh, I don't think I'm at liberty to talk about it on this podcast. It's nothing sinister.
00:42:48
Speaker
But yeah. But I'll leave you hanging like that. I'll tell you off air. It's nothing like, it's no big scandal, scoop story or anything. But I just don't know if I'm at liberty to discuss it.
Bigfoot Hunt Experience
00:43:03
Speaker
Anyway, like last year, we went to a place called Don's Stylers in God's Port.
00:43:07
Speaker
Oh, that's not far from here. Used to be an isolation or a smallpox hospital and is now a gym. Don Stylers. And they let you have it, did they? You can rent it out. Don Stylers, it's old gym. He was into bodybuilding and a lot of the equipment's like 50 years old, really old like plates and weight machines and stuff.
00:43:36
Speaker
I'm only laughing because you've said it was like a smallpox place and now all of a sudden it's like this gym. I can see both images in my head and it wasn't quite... It was fucking minus eight in December and they hadn't closed the windows to any of the buildings during the day so it was fucking freezing.
00:44:00
Speaker
well yeah but yeah we're going as i say or as i said in the group it's castle cottage is one of those places that i keep hearing things about but i don't keep hearing what's haunted about or hearing people actually get activity there so i'm a bit like and it seems to have popped up out of nowhere um so i'm a bit like i i'm interested to see what if anything happens yeah because i watched um the haunted hunts
00:44:29
Speaker
And they got very little there, right? Yeah. So I wasn't really expecting much, but actually it was pleasantly surprising. Good. Good. I look forward to it.
00:44:44
Speaker
Do you know what? I've actually recently discovered that there's a really good place for me to investigate in my hometown of, well, my adopted hometown of Chichester. There was a massive hospital here called Grayling Well Hospital.
00:45:04
Speaker
And 90% of it, unfortunately, has been modernized and made into hundreds of houses and flats. They've kept the main building. So imagine lots of really old hospital wings made from stone. They're really beautiful buildings, big arched windows in them. And they've all been repurposed as lovely flats and things. I'd love to know if people have had any activity there.
00:45:34
Speaker
but there's one building that still remains derelict and I don't know if I can get in it but I'm going to try to because actually if you look up the history there's an awful lot of things that it was sort of you know the equivalent of an insane asylum this particular bit.
00:45:53
Speaker
Are you going to try and urbex it again? Well, yeah, I mean, I'm not that adventurous, I have to say, but I might poke around the outside. Yeah, that side of things never appealed to me, like with the YouTube channel where loads of channels sort of mix urbex and investigating.
00:46:14
Speaker
Yeah, I'm too good. I'm a teacher. I've got a innate fear of being told off. Yeah, I know. I was always of the opinion when we first started the channel that there's no way I want to be crawling through brambles and broken glass and stuff. Especially with loads of equipment and cameras, I'm like, nah. Yeah, and then some big burly security guard with an Alsatian kind of rocks open. Absolutely, yeah.
00:46:39
Speaker
And then apparently they want to look for all your footage to make sure you haven't been vandalized in the place or whatever. And it's just like, it's just not worth it for me. No, but I might have a poke around up there because I've, I think I've done church history disservice in the past. I've always sort of moaned about the fact that
00:46:57
Speaker
despite the fact that it was one of the first Roman towns there's basically nothing going on here but the longer I've lived here the more I've discovered that actually there is it's just I can't get permission to investigate anywhere because they're all
00:47:12
Speaker
that so many of the buildings in Chichester are owned by chains and you just can't get the permission to investigate them and I know at least four buildings in Chichester Town Centre where there's mad activity but I just can't investigate and even the staff are saying you've got to come but we just can't
00:47:36
Speaker
It's a nightmare, isn't it? Because you're right, it's like they're over privately owned and whoever owns it doesn't want anything to do with paranormal investigations. Or if not, the price of a private hire investigation is astronomical. Yeah. For a lot of places like we've, we just went, not necessarily on the paranormal side of things, but just for a visit, we went to a place called Little Dean Jail.
00:47:57
Speaker
which is a former prison turned museum in the Forest of Dean and it's full of really grotesque stuff like Nazi uniforms and KKK uniforms and just horrible stuff from throughout history and they used to do ghost hunts there.
00:48:12
Speaker
Um, because apparently being a former jail, it is haunted by his home, right? And then he's got all this fucking orange shit in it. Um, but we spoke to him on the front desk and they were like, we don't do it anymore because someone tripped and someone tripped over and hurt themselves and tried to sue us. And that's ruined it for everyone. I was just like, man, like if ever there will be a place that will be unsettling, even if it's not necessarily haunted, that'd be it. But yeah.
00:48:41
Speaker
We should go to Oxford Prison. What, the castle? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I've done the investigation there. Yeah, it is expensive. It is expensive. But the history there, it's a thousand years worth of history there. The, um, the hills outside of it's meant to be really haunted as well, right? Where they used to execute the gallows. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because in the crypt bit at the bottom, it's a thousand years old and that's where Oxford University first started.
00:49:09
Speaker
was in the crypt of Oxford Castle. Yeah. It would be good. It's a great place. It's mega money, though, isn't it? Yeah. It is a cool place. So hire out for yourself. Easily a grand. Sheptamal is the same. Sheptamal is like 1,200, 1,500 pounds to rent out. But if you had enough people going, you could privately do it.
00:49:36
Speaker
You get insurance and all that shit. We need, we need a big private syndicate where we can be like renting out this place. Who wants to come? Yeah. But, uh, but yeah, even so like, even you kind of look at that and let's say, for instance, if you wanted to private hire Shepton Malaprism for 1200 pounds with a group of people, you know, to privately investigate it. And yeah, it'd be an experience. It's not like a public event where.
00:50:02
Speaker
you're ever going to attempt to earn a bit of that money back. It's just like, yeah, it's just everybody investing in a night out and which potentially is nothing may happen. What down the way to look at paranormal investigating? But the thing is, over the last few years, people have seen the paranormal as a way to make money. Yeah, definitely. A lot of groups like
00:50:30
Speaker
spring up and they go, yeah, we'll do paranormal hunter this place. And so fucking hell, you're charging that amount per person when I know how much it is to hire the place. Yeah. And there's like 40 people there and you're like, really? Like 60, 70 quid a person, Oxford prison, like 40 odd people. Somebody's making a lot of money that night. And most of the people who work for events companies are volunteers.
00:50:55
Speaker
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Doing it because they get a free night out, basically. Yeah. Cause I get to do a free ghost hunt and just, yeah. Yeah. I'm sure I've calculated an event where there was like 30 people. It was like a grand in total for like how much people are paid. I think it must've been the skirrid actually. I'm sure I calculated the skirrid was like a grand just from people sat in that room. And I was like, fuck me.
00:51:20
Speaker
But do you think that ruins it now? Because it puts it out of the stretch of small teams. Like when we, if just a few of you wanted to get together to go to a like a paranormal location, it kind of prices you out. And then you get some groups that have got a block booking on certain nights of the week at certain venues, like 30 East Drive, certain nights are just blocked out for years. I'll be honest, they're probably sold out for the entirety of next year as well. Yeah.
00:51:49
Speaker
Well, they're definitely sold out every Friday and Saturday next year, because we looked into it. Yeah. It's mad. Yeah, I kind of get what you mean. I think it does make it more difficult for people who want to try and privately hire places, but also for smaller events, events groups, because they have to go to maybe lesser known locations
00:52:19
Speaker
and charge less for them because they're not as well known or it's not like you Google ghost hunts England and it's haunted happenings that pops up, for instance, you know what I mean? So it's difficult to compete in that space, but then, my God, this is sounding like a business podcast now, isn't it? But then there is an events company I follow on Facebook that they ended last year seem to have almost done everything right and sold out Lancaster Castle.
00:52:49
Speaker
on the night the Pendle witches, the night before their execution at Lancaster Castle was where they were held the night before their execution, which was really recent. They managed to, A, secure the booking and then B, sell it out. So I think there is still the opportunity to be able to do well, but yeah. It's difficult. It's difficult. I find there are too many people at organized events.
00:53:17
Speaker
and you don't get any things but then because of the price of places being so prohibitive I mean I've been in three investigation groups and
00:53:29
Speaker
all of us in each group we just end up going to all these outdoor places you know like castles that have half fallen down and woods and forests and places that are free but freezing and open to the weather and you end up all stood around at two o'clock in the morning around some
00:53:54
Speaker
half ruined castle like squeezing your balls off. You might as well debunk everything because of the sound of nature. You can't categorically say that anything is paranormal when you're open to the elements. Yeah it's difficult, it's really difficult.
00:54:11
Speaker
I gotta say, we did the investigation last week and that thing cost me a penny because it was an outdoor, outdoor Bigfoot hunt. Oh, did you find it? Did you find anything? Did you find it? It was, I mean, I just like getting out there. Quite unusual because this was in witness. I think where might a Bigfoot be? I don't think you'd ever say witness or anywhere kind of like that.
00:54:38
Speaker
Yeah, because the reason I went up there was a lady had come to one of our UFO meetings and she talked about the experience she had in witness. Three of them, it's about 15 years ago. And at the top is what's called Pexhill. It has an observatory at the top.
00:54:54
Speaker
run by Liverpool, a multinational society. And it's not much woodland, it's probably only a couple of acres worth of trees and forest, and there's a quarry at the bottom. But they were walking around, there's three of them. They described it as a seven-foot hairy man. Came out off near the footpath, and then the orders ran, and got in the car and drove off. They were scared. So that's the reason why we were going up there.
00:55:21
Speaker
Now, when I was looking into, was there anything else I've been seeing? Any other reports? Anywhere near Wythmus? Because it's just such a random little town in the Northwest. And since the 70s, there's been reports of a Bigfoot-like creature in Cronton, which is literally two minutes from where Pexill is. I was like, oh, that actually has been a number of different reports over the decades in this area.
00:55:51
Speaker
and like we never rule anything out if it's interdimensional it could be you might not need the masses open spaces don't know what it is so we went nothing much happens so it's good to be out in outside doing this stuff for me I think there's just too many people with us and too many people just talking you can't really
00:56:17
Speaker
hearing if you were trying to listen because people were just talking. Although towards the end, this is where it got a bit interesting towards the end. We walked down to the bottom of the quarry and we're walking back up the hill and we're just going in different areas. There's a bit of a clearing over the trees.
00:56:35
Speaker
And we create a thumping noise. It's like a noise, like you bounce a football. As you're bouncing a football. It's like that, but repetitive. It's like it's coming from near the car park area. It bounces about one o'clock in the morning. You're not expecting people playing football or messing around on the hill.
00:56:59
Speaker
And you would hear cars coming up and stuff with anybody that's come since we got there. You'll hear this thumping noise, like a, type noise. It's a bit, I don't think I've got footage of it. But then, the bit that sounds weird, it sounds like nothing, but then if you watched, hell yeah.
00:57:19
Speaker
So Clay was there. It was the sound of a car door shutting. Like someone slamming a car door. And then we didn't hear that pumping noise after that. But there's no noise of a car driving off or engine starting. It's just this one car door shutting noise. Car doors and babies. And it was like this pumping noise was like.
00:57:43
Speaker
similar to the car door I showed you when we thought about it and it's like it was trying to perfect this noise and after it perfected it it stopped and then we walked back up to the car park because we were far from the car park at this point and then obviously there's nobody there but that's really kind of potentially a bit weird because there's something weird nowhere there's no roads near here and nobody playing football near here but just this weird pumping noise and then the car door has like
00:58:13
Speaker
Hellier. Car door. We've just heard it. Hellier's so good. We don't see a big book, but we hear the car door shut. Sounds like nothing, but in the context, you never know. That's cool. That's cool. Well, I'm hoping on the next episode of Paranormal Roundtable that we might have a Hellier moment.
Conclusion and Future Topics
00:58:42
Speaker
yeah how yeah can you tell or is it are you just going to be mysterious depends when this episode goes out she's actually going to grow up after this thing isn't it oh okay go on then should we keep it secret just tell us off air yeah tell us off air right yeah
00:59:08
Speaker
Keep tuned, folks. I tell you what, when you're thinking about paranormal noises, because on a heliad, for anybody who's listening who hasn't watched it, you should, because it's really good. Yeah, it's so good. It's on Amazon. It's on YouTube as well for free. Oh, is it? Oh, wow. Yeah. Full episodes. Oh, I've paid for it as well now. Oh, well. So I'm on my... Forget I said that, Makayla.
00:59:38
Speaker
They were talking about particular noises, paranormal type noises that keep coming up, like phantom car doors closing and babies crying. And of course, in my haunted hotel, they have a baby crying. But I've got a thing that happens to me a lot, which is a popping sound. And it's happened to me
01:00:06
Speaker
quite a lot of times in my life without explanation. And it's literally,
01:00:15
Speaker
Like when you put your finger in your cheek and make that popping sound, it's like an exaggerated sound of that. And in my mind, it almost reminds me of somebody popping in or out of existence, like a dimension or something. But I've heard it several times and I've heard it a couple of times in my own kitchen. And it's really loud and really poppy.
01:00:45
Speaker
There was one particular time I was sat in the living room and I heard this POP! And I was like, what the hell's that? And it sounded like it came from the, near the sink here and I came in and I was like, what the heck? But it's happened to me quite a lot of times. So I don't know, what do you reckon about the idea that there are certain weird paranormal sounds that people have in common?
01:01:11
Speaker
uh i can tell you that when i first started getting into the whole psychic mediumship stuff i'd be sat in the spare room playing video games and i could swear i would hear patsy say like call me and say mike and i'd be like okay take the headphones off go and go just call me no what are you on about and it happened multiple times and i'm like
01:01:35
Speaker
fucks going on and i've from reading into it and things other people have experienced other people who claim to be psychic or whatever have experienced um the sound of hearing their name called i've had that a lot of times out of thin air it's so weird isn't it because you're like yeah you just call my name yeah yeah especially when you've got a name as long as Michaela
01:01:59
Speaker
because you're like, that it wasn't me. It's not super common. It wasn't Vicky. It was Michaela. And you're like, hang on a minute. That is very weird. Anybody else? Ash and Greg, have you had any? No. Weird paranormal things? I'm about... You two are so close. I'm in tune with a paranormal like a brick is.
01:02:25
Speaker
But no, I haven't. No, I haven't really. No, I can't say that I have, but I don't class myself as a very open person. A lot of people probably tell me that as well. But yeah, like, I don't think spiritually I'm very, I'm still fairly, I'm still fairly young in my journey of the paranormal, I think.
01:02:56
Speaker
in terms of really getting deep in it. Like really the last few years when maybe doing the podcast is where I always had an interest. I always watched programs, all that kind of stuff. And it always fascinated me, but I was never really invested in it like I have been the last few years. So I think I'm still finding my way
01:03:21
Speaker
Even though I've been doing paranormal investigations for years and years and years, I think I've always been super closed off and I never had anything happen on paranormal investigations until really we've started the podcast and then I've heard things and
01:03:36
Speaker
or i'll see something like i've just just then um but no i i don't think i've been emotionally switched off to it all i think i always see stuff when we're recording i always see like a white light move across my door so i've got i've seen the shadow when you're reading yeah the bedroom door's just there yeah and at the corner of my eye
01:04:01
Speaker
and just see a white thing. Ash the other day was saying... Yeah, I saw a shadow walk from like where that lamp is towards the bed. Oh wow. The headboard. But I said like, does everyone just like open the door or come in? I saw this thing, the shadow just like move from that sort of wall to the bed. And he was just sat like that as well. Save me. You know, I just sat there oblivious.
01:04:27
Speaker
But then I see out of the corner of my eye on the door, the door's closed, because I have to close the door when I'm doing the podcast, so I don't hear the fucking dogs. Because in my previous
01:04:41
Speaker
previous location of podcasting I was in the downstairs we got a study downstairs and all I could do was I'm scratching the door fucking hell I gotta sort this out so now I'm in the new the new studio custom built it's even got
01:05:03
Speaker
So you've even got a ring light. Wow. Going back to what Ash was saying about shadow figures and things behind you. And this was going back a while. I was giving a reading to someone. And I'm there doing my thing and going, oh yeah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:05:23
Speaker
And then all of a sudden she goes, are you recording this on video? I was like, no, I'm only recording the audio. And she's like, oh, cause I swear a shadow figure has just appeared behind you or just like materialized behind you. And I was just like, fuck off. Don't fucking, don't fucking tell me that sort of shit. Cause I don't want to be dealing with that when I'm at home. I can go to a location and deal with it and then leave it there. That's fine. But fuck me. I was like, no, shut up.
01:05:55
Speaker
Wow, seems like a good place to park then for this episode. Yeah, I think we've done really well, guys. We've been everywhere. We've even touched C5, which is... And Bigfoot. And Bigfoot. Yeah. Wow. And even tied that into Hellier. Like Michaela said, if you haven't seen Hellier, it's well worth a watch.
01:06:22
Speaker
I'm on the end of episode five, I think, at the moment. So I've still got a little bit to go. I think it was John Keel, is it? He's the one that sort of first talked about, like, the baby crying and the clown noise. I mean, yeah, it's like noises that would get your attention. Yeah. You hear baby crying, the human instinct, the goal to help. Yeah. Yeah. That's why they do it to kind of attract you in. And outdoors can be a bit different.
01:06:49
Speaker
It's very random to say that a car door is like noise. It's why cats mimic, like cats cries are to mimic babies cries, aren't they?
01:07:02
Speaker
I thought you were going to say cats mimic car doors closing. I was going to be like, whoa, this is not dressing. In the corner. But yeah, apparently cats meowing is to try and mimic babies crying as much as possible. So people go, I guess back in times when cats started to become domesticated, people go, oh my God, there's a baby crying. Where's that? It's just a cat. They're going, meow, feed me. Apparently so. I could be talking in my arse. Well, they are putting little creatures, aren't they?
01:07:30
Speaker
That's one word for them. Yeah, I hate cats. Yeah, she'll hate him. The teenagers of the animal world. Allergic to them. So I can't go near them. Yeah, I'm allergic to them. I just fucking hate them. Allergic by choice. Yeah. Anyway, guys, thank you very much for your input this month. And we'll meet again and hopefully we've got
01:07:56
Speaker
something very interesting to speak to you about next month but yeah thanks for joining us and everybody's links will be in the show notes as always and yeah see you guys next week next week next month yeah see you later
01:08:25
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