Embracing Authenticity
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Dude, I'm tired of trying to make this show entertaining, bro. I'm tired of it. I'm just gonna flow, okay? That's all I've been doing for now for roughly 13 months. Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna take a cue from you. It's just gonna, anything that comes in my head, dude, I've been suppressing it.
00:00:54
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You haven't been that surprised. I know exactly. jokeking yes Let's see. Let's see what happens. Yeah.
Hollywood Humor: Butt Jokes
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Yeah. How many times, how many times does Lance have to bring up that Hollywood loves anal? They love to show butts. How many times? That's three episodes. That's some Jim Gaffigan for you. Nobody said that. Yeah, no, they love it.
00:01:15
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that I just watched it. ah This one, some guy wants to, some guy in Kenya is like, tre like wants to be funny. He's literally like, I'd like to be more funny in normal situations. And I read your profile. So I sent him a stand up and Gaffigan had a joke. Like it was a pandemic that we we had our cli kids do virtual classes on the same, same, ah on the same device they play Minecraft on.
Virtual Learning and Snack Temptations
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That's like having a Weight Watchers meeting at a Denny's. It's pretty funny.
00:01:45
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I don't know, your kids were, they were, they were probably a little older, but like you can see all the kids doing virtual classes were fucking around doing other shit, like playing games and shit on their, on their tablet and fucking with each other. And ah yeah and my son got a gut dude. And he's a skinny kid because we were trying to shower them with love via snacks and he was just mowing snacks.
00:02:09
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just just crushing them with video games and just other sedentary activity. So what can you do? ah Dude, that's so weird. It's like you do that with, it's like you do a lot of shit you do with dogs, with kids. For some reason you're like, oh, you're inactive and you're not happy here. For some reason feeding you over and over again is going to make you like, here's something to do, crush.
Trump's Tariffs: A Comedic Take
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Like Trump's tariffs, huh Matt? Backfires. Anyway. That's something to watch if you're if you're in the international woodtrain business, how we're recording. Yeah, dude, what's what's this shit about, man? I know you'll just go on riffing. I didn't know we were recording. Well, fucking... his' but He's slapping a tariff on... um Slapping a tear from Mexico, but he hasn't moved it down, but, and he's, he's framing it as, uh, to, to get them to put a, to control, start to control the drug the illicit drug trade. Sure. Isn't Mexico. Yeah. Aren't they all the same though? All those countries down there. What do you mean Lance? What do you mean? This is a new unfiltered
Stereotypes Beyond Texas
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Lance. Just let it rip, dude. How do you feel about everyone south of Texas? Do you just put them in one group?
00:03:28
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A lot of people do, probably. right there's There's no discerning difference for a lot of people, but that's that's not about me, man. That's about them. Get to the episode, though, because we could do this all day. and Nobody's entertained by it anymore. Nobody. where You're going to cut this. You've got to cut this out. No, I'm not cutting this out, dude. Well, you didn't even tell me we were starting. whoa hey i did i did want to I want to ask you this before we get to the episode because i I need to warm up. We didn't even warm up. Your thoughts on Christmas music?
A Dislike for Christmas Music
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and what What day of December are you already sick of it? I just don't like it ever. Really? Ever. Not even Pedro Feliciano's Feliciano. Don't tell me you don't like that song. rob I'm sure it's catchy. I just don't. I don't like it, man. Oh my God, dude. Keep this in the show because I want the audience to know the state of mind you're in while you... If they're like, man, Lance wasn't feeling this today. Yeah, well, he just said that Pedro Feliciano's
Hard-to-Quit Habits
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Feliz Navidad is not ah not a fun song. No, it's a good song. i just don't It's not like I jump to listen to Christmas music. man I hear that song and i just I get the hips going. Yeah, cool. and i mean I can't stop. like I literally can't stop. If you're within 50 meters of Manhattan vagina, you might get pregnant.
00:04:45
Speaker
I mean, you literally might get pregnant. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Bits. Bits galore. I'm not a Christmas music guy, but I do like the old stuff. Ben Crosby, Nat King Cole. Nat King Cole's probably the best. But then you always get in this Mariah Carey, Michael Buble shit, and I immediately wanna vomit. Just literally puke.
00:05:08
Speaker
Yeah, well can look dude if you want to talk about this subject go write a bit get up on the comedy stage and let it rip But we're here. I'm warm bro. I'm warm. We're here to be pieces of shit dude um I'm just gonna put out there this this show this week is about Having a hard time quitting Could be a bad habit could be something that's detrimental to you, could be a good thing that has has detrimental aspects to it. Like ah we'll we'll get into it, but an example would be like playing playing full court intense basketball well into your 40s or 50s and knowing that you're gonna be a GMP POS for the next week, but you can't stop.
Quitting Drinking: A Personal Journey
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ah i had I've talked about it before on seniors and maybe a little bit on PS, but I had like quit drinking about almost two years ago,
00:06:03
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And I had a really good old friend reach out to me and kind of say he's thinking about kind of going through the same process. And it triggered a lot of thoughts in my head that I hadn't really processed, the like why and how I did it. And and then that cause this caused me to think about things that I could not really quit ever. Like ah there was something pulling me back and there you go. Now we have a POS statement and now we have a show.
00:06:31
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Maybe we'll see how, how it reveals itself. Yeah, maybe. Well, first I'd like the listeners, whoever they are to acknowledge that Matt did an intro. I did not once interrupt him with a one-liner joke. I don't do any, I just, I just let him talk and that's a skill. And I'd like Matt to focus on potentially quitting his ah abrupt interruptions.
00:06:58
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I think, dude, I would like, I wish we'd get some feedback. I wish there were people that gave us feedback, but I think the last two or three episodes, I've been conscious of it and I've tried to slow it down. So I wonder if that came through. You're going to say, well, they'll never know the editing that went into it to know if I was interrupting or not. But I feel like, especially the last show, you were, you were running and I let you run.
Identity Pressures and Personal Stories
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You were the, yeah, you were the running back that every time he has like an eight yard run, he looks over to his offensive coordinator and does the feed me thing.
00:07:26
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Yeah, he's got to eat. That was you. Yeah. Yeah. I just let you run, dog. I let you run last week. Well, it's a good, I mean, it's the essence of being a piece of shit. I think it's a good topic of that. So many of us are doing some things we know are bad for us that aren't working for us and we continue to do them. It's hard to figure out what the barriers are. They're likely mostly psychological, maybe even just Social pressure I I known for years that dairy fucks up my belly for years yet every day at lunch I'll to handful the shredded cheese and expect a different outcome and and I Don't know at what point Maybe when I'm older where there's other issues that i have
Motivation vs. Discomfort in Habit Breaking
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to contend with that. I'll just say hey get an alternative I
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is Is like to that point, is there are you type of guy that to quit something you need like a life threatening event? Like if a doctor goes to you, you're at 80% higher risk of stomach cancer because they're in is causing ulcers in your stomach and like, would that do it or yeah That's a good question. Cause I think that's what happens for a lot of people. Yeah. I mean, I'm somebody that, and I can quit almost anything cold Turkey. If I have that level of a motivator or if I've been told that, Hey, this is really unhealthy for you. And and and I feel like it's legit, but mere pain or mere discomfort is not enough to push you, push you through. Yeah. Cause every morning i'm I'm hitting three cups of coffee. I never feel good by the third end of the third.
00:09:03
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Never feel good, but fucking do it. Just do it. Just stuff that I know is not not totally working, continue to do it. And it's interesting. And I don't know, you know, we're not we're not robots, right? We can't like perfectly optimize our lives.
00:09:19
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but it is striking how many things I do. You mentioned the playing basketball beyond your your physical capability. you know I definitely did that. Now I'm probably more banged up than a lot of people because I played rugby and football and things longer than most folks. You had to carry your teams almost in every instance, right?
Physical Expectations and Social Pressure
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e That's a good joke though. No, yeah, so my shit's banged up, my hips banged up, my knees. so's so So then I still think like I gotta go compete. like There's some social pressure to be to be a man, to be to be jacked. Even lifting, man. I was pushing through, straining my shoulder for years until I'm finally like, bro, settle the fuck down. You don't me you not need to lift 70s anymore. You don't need 70 pound dumbbells anymore. You just don't. Just settle the fuck down. How about take 50s and do 15 reps?
00:10:16
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Switch it up. ah So yeah, there's something going on where we're all trying to be something we're not. like I got a couple of questions there. Yeah, hit me, hit me. All right, so the the hoops thing, I guess from knowing you for a while, being the athlete and being the guy that's out there recklessly playing hard and and raising up the challenge, was it, it seemed like a bit of your identity?
00:10:42
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And it was the the reason why you couldn't stop. First of all, like the reason why it's hard to stop because it it was something bigger than just the exercise. You feel like it was because your identity. I think this was like a lot of people relate to it as the guy who drinks so much or the guy that the balls are the guy that doesn't listen to ah a woman, a wife, a girlfriend, tell him it's time to leave. He's like this macho prick.
00:11:04
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What was it like? Why couldn't you play two pickup games and chill? Or why couldn't you, you know, why couldn't you do the weight, the lower weight, and then eventually, we should talk about how you got over it and how some I got over the stuff. but So what, what drew you to it? And how did you fix the problem if you have yet?
Sports Identity Challenges
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Well, the identity thing is is huge, like my whole life, like I've been identified as an athlete. And just even this week, multiple people come up to me all the time. So what are you doing? How are you staying in shape? forty Which is I know it's like a subtle compliment. And ah like, just because exercise is a part of my life, like it's a big part of my life. And I don't I look for my age, thin and ripped tight.
00:11:51
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ah Joking. Not so true. But it's been a part of my life where like, yeah, I have to find myself. like But the attention you got from it, like people are like, man, you look good. Do you get value in that? ah Not so much anymore. But just being an athlete, being around athletics, it's such a huge part of my life. I don't really know who I am without that being a part of my life. And that's a hard thing to give up. I think it's a reason I'm attracted to coaching because I can still be a part of it.
00:12:20
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Less wear and tear on the body, maybe more on the brain, though, huh? Yes, sir, for sure. And so that's a big part of my life. I've lost the musician thing as an identity feature. ah pretty Much easier.
00:12:33
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Like I've, I don't know that I was, I was sort of a poser in that for many years because like I came to it so late. Well, I think the identity thing and in a lot of things that we do is, it's just, it's, it's huge. It's huge. And it can really, ah you can oversell it in your own mind and and maybe stick around way too long. Obviously we hear about people with their jobs, people in their marriages, because who wants to be, you know, who wants to have to deal with that?
00:13:02
Speaker
Like quitting a marriage, so to speak, or or being like, this is not healthy for either of us. Let's move on. It's a hard decision, right? Yeah, it's a hard decision because your identity is I'm a married person. Those are tough things. So you hit me right in the core, or hit me in my heart, man. Fucking
Macho Stereotypes and Humor
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just hit my heart. And talking about this week, you mentioned that in addition to what it was for you, so If anyone's been in a, you know, if you start playing a pickup hoops, there's probably anything football. There's always, especially if it's just like unregulated, like you don't have a gym for a certain amount of time. but There's always a couple guys that don't have shit to do. Don't have any spot. They're always like, let's run. Let's run one back. Let's run one back.
00:13:45
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And there's something about it in the male community where it's like the the little bitch has to leave, but the hard ass, the real baller, the real guy that's in charge of his life sticks, it rides it out and and and runs it back, runs it back, runs it back. Oh, you're going to leave now? we we we we got We got game because we won. Can't leave.
00:14:04
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And there's something about that so unbelievably powerful. People that you probably don't even really care about. I mean, you like these dudes because you relate them, but it's not people close to you. There's something about that that pulls you where you're like, yeah, I got to stick around. I got to do this like it's a military operation or something. It's so true, man. You know, men don't get a lot of credit for the shit they have to go through in this ah area of machismo and like manning up. They don't get a lot of credit for how hard that is. I mean, yeah.
00:14:30
Speaker
That's a phenomenon that we have to deal with. I get that you got a vagina and stuff and all that. Right. I'm joking. Dude, I hate that shit. I fucking hate that shit. It affects us. Yeah, it does affect us. And it pulls you into things that, you know, I mean, we talked about it before, like our drinking is such an obvious one. ah Driving like crazy when you're young. Oh, watch me fucking floor it, bro. Just stupid things.
00:14:59
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that that men feel like they're sucked into and have to like measure up to. Now, I was always sort of a dick. I'm always been a dick, dude. i could I can resist that, I think, better than most people. But there's some things that certainly get to me. Okay, well, in the basketball thing, if it wasn't that, and you know, you know, you have, ah you know, you have and some knee issues. I don't know if they came because of that or after, but but like, what is it? why Why are you playing eight games? up eight hard-ass games. Like, do you remember why? And why are you not doing it now? I'm probably the guy that was like, Come on, puss. I was probably that guy. And when I got older, right, I just be like, I'm out. I'm done. So yeah, I'm just a straight up dick. I'm a dick. Yeah, I would remember a lot of society there first cut off of the show minute 20. But I remember you'd like to be the guy that would encourage people to do shit. Even back when we were young, we used to do stupid challenges of
00:15:55
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Yeah, you, you always come up with the idea. And you like that. Come on. And it's like, Come on, let's do it. Let's do it. Like you can you can be that guy. Right? Yeah, I can be, you know, and I don't do it with I do with things like, if we if we lose this basketball game, you got to like take your pants down and walk through target or something. I mean, those are some of the greatest memories of my life. And some of the hardest played games of like, I don't know, 21 or something with a couple of other friends or be like, whoever loses has to do this. Did we do one where we had to prank some girls?
00:16:34
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I think we did. well I remember doing one like that with you and then we did one with some friends of ours where he had to like pass down and go order tacos at Taco Bell. I thought that was good. Oh that was god, the best one was no names matching but we were at a rec center and there was a girl working in the front desk and whoever lost had to go up to the girl and and go at it.
00:16:57
Speaker
I can't even say it. Something like, how are you? I boned five chicks last last night. Oh shit. Was that, did I have to do that one? Cause I do remember that. No, no, no. There was no way in hell you and I were losing. I wasn't going to lose. No way.
Youthful Antics and Nostalgia
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You're the best player there big and had the size to like, if it, if everyone, cause everyone just starts getting real physical. Cause it's like, I'm not going to lose. So it's like, I'm going to jungle ball your ass if I have to, but you are big enough. I think we're all.
00:17:27
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pretty big back then working out and you were big enough for like, if you had to, you could just muscle your way into at least second place, right? to not To not have to say that shit. to but that But all that stuff was you. You were the guy egging it on. Bro, I've done so much of that shit. I wish I could get back to that. Like I had my- That wasn't your identity. Like speaking of my identity a little bit. Lance has got to come up with a crazy idea.
00:17:51
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Yeah, it's funny too. Like I don't know if people meet me now if they get a sense of that at all. And I don't know if in the corporate world, unless we got really close, if they got a sense of that, but like some of the memories of just like,
00:18:03
Speaker
We gather up in a party, like nobody would do this. I'd say I'd get like five friends and we'd do a gospel song about our penis. Like I'd say, okay, check this out. You're going to do this. And we're just going to get really loud and fun. And I'm going to start gospling around my penis. My penis is large. These are just great memories. I don't know what that is. Like maybe I should have like joined the crew of jackass. We just done crazy pranks. I know it's actually now like you, you should get back into it and you would have you would. I mean, that it's the perfect age for what what you were because everyone be filming and you'd immediately have like a following.
00:18:41
Speaker
Oh dude, I've been huge in my youth. They're just the props. Like why do you, why do your roommates call me ladle? I think cause I took that fucking soup ladle you had sitting around in your kitchen and just carried it around the entire night we were partying. With that sauce thing I had, like this giant pot. Yeah. And that was, I remember like the, I think what's the place down in the,
00:19:02
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ah You know boulder i don't know if still does have essentially like the most the highest grossing revenue liquor store in the country or some shit it was uh Oh, yeah lickers flat irons lickers or something like that. Okay. Yeah, was what do you think it was? Uh, I don't know I was gonna go arrowhead, but I don't know maybe yeah Fuck I can't remember but but they always would throw it start throwing out to be in a year like keystone light 12 packs for like four bucks or some shit and I remember one weekend you guys were coming down from Greeley and we probably got I don't know like enough of them to kill an elephant as they say and that was the ladle week because we're just pouring them all into this giant saucepan thing like a fucking eight gallon saucepan and you were stirring it. it's but It's so disgusting dude. They got the backwash and nasty shit that drinking from a ladle.
00:19:51
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Yeah, it's also pathetic. Like probably what like the more organized kids with real parties and probably had kegs. Shit like that. We were ladling Keystone light out of a saucepan. Like the fraternities weren't fucking doing that because they know like real ways to serve liquor.
00:20:08
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That was my idea of fun. Yeah, we loved it. Not harming anybody, but creating like some spectacle that was like, these guys are fucking idiots. That was my idea of fun, whereas like you know frat boys, their idea is like raping chicks and other guys are like doing drugs and fucking getting knocked out. I love that. Frat boys, raping chicks.
00:20:29
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ah I but so this is like off off theme a little bit like but was there a point in your life because of I don't know could be because your marriage because you have kids or because you were like I have a job where you you intentionally is like I can't be that guy anymore.
Leaving Pranks Behind
00:20:45
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I gave up on that. Or did it just fade away because it just doesn't make sense right now? Like you're walking around your neighborhood pranking everyone. It'd be pretty funny, but where do you go? This is actually a much more meaningful conversation than I expected because i'm really surprised I that shit in a corporate setting because I was working with physicians and Really? Nurses and like, and there's a seriousness in that business. You know, it doesn't really lend itself to antics and pranks. Some businesses do, of course, but, and I think that's a big part of it. Did you get it out at all though? I mean, I can't imagine that you weren't in like kind of the funny guy meetings or off-color comments and meetings or a little bit or something, right?
00:21:29
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Which just depends on your responsibility, but if you're like a manager or team lead, you you don't really want to clown. But yeah, yeah, for sure as I got to know certain people. But I and also did a lot of events, like I played music for different events there and I did talks and hosted things. So I tried to get some of that output.
00:21:47
Speaker
Generally on a given day like that's how I like to be as bit of a clown You still have that. Yeah, I definitely have that and that's just unexpected Humor and my wife and I got into our argument the other night. She's just like dude You say some crazy shit And I'm like, what are you talking about? People are fine with me, they think I'm fine. She's like, you at the block party we had, you the musician showed up, you never met the guy and he's and he introduced himself like I'm a musician and you said, so you must be a dick.
Family Anecdotes and Humor
00:22:20
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And that's weird. And I said, but I followed it up with, I was a musician for like 10 years, bro, I'm messing with you. Which I think he's probably loved it. It probably like endeared him too. Yeah, then he's loose and then we're, we're connecting. Cause nobody would say that like in a confrontational way. Well, you must be a fucking dick if you puffed up your chest. and but people that aren't down with that i mean i know i know her that's not her thing as much as it is ours and it's probably just like why would you call someone a dick in their head it's more like black and white right i'm stranger you why would you walk up to him call him a dick i don't know i've always thought that that's where life life is is the in the unexpected stuff i to be or so
00:23:03
Speaker
Last week, my son, my wife was like so surprised. He was the announcer. We do this sort of like little league for all the youth teams. They get to scrimmage each other. And then one of the high school kids is the play by play guy. And my son did it and he was, he kicks ass. Like he should go to broadcast journalism. I mean, he was making jokes and, and like on the, on the horn, like he's on the mic, like MC is MC basically off the cuff.
00:23:29
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you know, just doing play-by-play and making jokes. Oh, terrible D. and just Just being funny. It's like the hype man at ah at the N1 type guy, right? that saw that Those guys. But the point is, it's like. You got the gift, boy. my way Yeah, exactly. My wife is so surprised. And she's like, aren't you so surprised how good he was? All the coaches were coming up to me, all the parents like, gosh, he's so good on the mic. I'm like, no.
00:23:57
Speaker
I'm like, that's LA bro. That's LA dog. But like, uh, just the behavior, uh, it's just such a joy. That's why we're friends. Cause you have that in a less of a spectacle way, but a real like off the cuff.
Off-Color Humor in Social Settings
00:24:13
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Yeah, rip into somebody gives you a leg up on people that you're not, you don't know you're trying to do it. But you're probably like, I can, I can only be comfortable with these people if I if I like the upper hand. And if you do that, you're immediately like take the power in ah in and a conversation. And I don't do it for that reason. But that's probably why, right? Because I'm like, okay, because I think it might be like a way to overcome our shyness. That's like overdo it, put people off, off, off guard. And then you're like, all right, I can handle these people now.
00:24:40
Speaker
That's part of it. i Don't you think that most experiences though with other people, they're fundamentally boring unless you get to a place where you're either into conversation that's really ah impactful about life or it's fun at a new level. Like a lot of it's just trite and boring. And I've always struggled with that. I don't know how to do that. Think about what you just said. you If you just walked up to that dude and were like, how are you doing? I played guitar in a band in 2001.
00:25:14
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It's like, okay, good. But if you, but the way you did it was the kind of way to introduce like, I'm on the level with you. I respect what you're doing. I feel what you're doing, but this is how I get into that conversation. And it's like unique. And it's like a good way to get into that conversation, like a way better way actually. Yeah. And I try to think, is it dysfunctional?
00:25:35
Speaker
Is it dysfunctional, is there, I don't know, what's the function of that sort of behavior? Now I did end up, like I danced all night for that dude's band. All night, like screaming, bringing people onto the floor, just doing crazy shit. Yeah. so Okay, there it is, Bat, you're like performing again. You put this, i I mean, I think, I can think, my earliest memories of being a friend with you, this that was ah you doing all the weird shit with your clothes and stuff in high school. There was a bit of performance there, but there must have been ah a void being filled or something, right? Like where it all started from.
00:26:06
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It must. And I don't know the source of it. I still feel the need to do it today. Just the way I cheer at ah at a game. Is it like a tension? Could someone be like, oh, well, you had you you had a distant father or something? I don't know. like what Is there any of that shit you think? Or it's not even that complicated? I don't fucking know. I don't know, man. I just think that a lot of things that we do in life, a lot of the norms are are boring. And I don't want to be, I'm not interested in like, you know, some kids back in the day would like pick fights with other, they need that. They need to like beat somebody up or. Bullying's a cry for help, really. Yeah.
00:26:41
Speaker
Yeah, they needed to do that. Or they need to like, you know, disparage women. I just wanted people to have fun in like half. You like to do all that and kind of performance. No, I just want to have ah some people have a silly memory. I mean, I love props. I don't know why I like props, dude. I like people that that sign used to bring the basketball games. I brought the snowman out of your basement. Yeah.
00:27:08
Speaker
And then we all, you would be like, all right, we're all going to hold this shit at the basketball game. So the other teams fans would be like, what, what are they doing? Right. I just want people to be like, what the hell is going on? That's actually was your best performances were the basketball games. I think you might've had a mic or something like that. Yeah. Cause I quit for two years and that, and they were the biggest supporter you support. Yeah, absolutely. Uh, so there's a this performance, but I, but you know, way back early in the conversation, I was going to ask, that's gotta be hard to be married to.
00:27:41
Speaker
And the answer is yes, sometimes it is, I guess, right? I think so. I think, I think the reassuring part though is like, she knows that I'm not, my interest in doing stuff like that is not to hurt anybody's feelings or not to be in control, not to, yeah. And that people, I would say I've not gotten any feedback and perhaps that's because i' they're, they're afraid of what I might say, but I've not got any feedback that I'm,
00:28:07
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I've hurt people's feelings. Like if the worst thing that happens to you is like the first time we have a couple date, like I start saying the word cock too early.
Humor as a Sign of Intelligence
00:28:16
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I mean, I don't think it's a huge big deal any of the stuff that I do.
00:28:21
Speaker
I just don't wanna sift through. I don't have the capacity. I've never had the capacity. I don't, you don't, I know you don't either. You don't have the capacity to sit through the normal, ah what do you call it, rhythm of a conversation of getting to know each other. It's just, it's too boring. It doesn't get to where we wanna get, which is actually, if you wanna get to connection, you gotta kinda let things out, you gotta loosen up. And now that's what I'm about, man. And that's why I'm- I just thought I'd be agreeing with him.
00:28:49
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I was like, yeah, that's great. Really? Wow. Yeah. Like what else is there? What didn't you sling out of it? No, I'm saying if I don't go to that, if I don't go to like a kind of an off color comment, then I'm just like monotony. Like, uh-huh. Yeah, you're right. Like if you don't have the energy. Yeah. Yeah. It's just, uh, or I just write them off as uninteresting. Like immediately. And, uh,
00:29:14
Speaker
I don't know, but but ah so you didn't quit it, but you did you did slow it down and you'd like to get back to that a little bit, you think? I would. You're happy with your level of spontaneity in your life. No, no, I need to get back to it. I mean, that's one of the reasons I like working with the but kids, because they're such idiots. Yeah. And it's funny.
00:29:38
Speaker
I mean, when kids are therere there, but do you associate a sense of intelligence? Like, when my kid, my son says something off colored, but funny. For me, it's like, it's like a sign of intelligence.
00:29:53
Speaker
Like when he throws out a weird thing in a car, I'm like, wow. Because it feels like he's almost manipulating the situation. And and for that, he's like a checkmate. He's like one up in the board game of life when he when he does something like that. He's controlling his situation. I do. You can try to sell my wife on that, though. Because I've always been an advocate of like, oh, there's a lot of different types of smart.
00:30:16
Speaker
Uh, cause she's historically been impressed by people who, you know, have a traditional level of intelligence or have a job like that's a surgeon. She has, she is. She is like, she can be real snarky and funny too, especially when she's fucking with you. And so I've worked her down. Well, I just wanted, she doesn't see that as like the same thing. Cause I remember I was up there right after we did our episode about the, um,
00:30:42
Speaker
the pledge that we were going to calm down our kids basketball games. And she was kind of ripping you like, and and mocking our show, like, Oh, I think he broke the pledge. He's a little uppity last week or something. I thought that was super funny, but it was like, she was ripping you, but not like, Hey idiot, you're being mania kitty. And she was just kind of fucking with you a little bit under the surface. And I thought that was pretty awesome. That's just years of connection and and understanding, but she still does get annoyed with, with some of the things I go to and, uh,
00:31:13
Speaker
Well, like you throw out cock on a couple's data. Is it still a thing? You have to be like Lance, come on, dude. Or is it just like, yeah, that's Lance. Your husband's a character. I've outgrown that word specifically, but I yeah have a lot of other things in my bag, dude. ah I don't know, man. i don't i can't Maybe I have a problem. like I can't tell when people are uncomfortable. I can't tell and what the line is. I kind of want to find the line. I'm sure like even people that have coached with me are probably like, oh, OK.
00:31:45
Speaker
I'm not sure what they think. I don't even know if I have the sense sensory skills to like understand what the line is in some cases. I probably do. I just don't care. In the theme of the show, like I wonder if what would what would you know what would ah make you think about creating that behavior more corporate setting or actual this coach because the coaching comes with a lot. Especially with ah with so many problems that adults have had with kids either like real.
00:32:16
Speaker
forms of abuse are now the parents whose kids are never wrong, so so like they're always accusing you of shit because a kid's actually an untalented little prick, and its it comes back to you. like you can You can't say that, right? like You can't be like, well, your kid is not talented, or your kid is acting like an asshole, so I had to check him up.
00:32:34
Speaker
so there's a lot it's hard to be a coach and so if you're if you're a little playful and like you as you are the the the lines it could cross ah the line in many people's heads quickly i eat maybe more so than even like a work environment right it could i don't see a particular problem there i think i you know the other side of personnel you know we're not just one thing I think maybe taking it too seriously is probably my biggest biggest risk. But, you know screw form you know, goofing off with the kids. Right. I doubt you're doing anything real quick. Yeah. ah i not good you know and and Again, the stuff that I'm interested in is it's not harmful. I think the worst thing that could happen is people get offended. Like I did some work with this one gal. we were
00:33:21
Speaker
hosting these culture transformation workshops for my company. And she was really, really worried that my jokes and my style was going to offend people. And never happened, Matt, because fucking genius, bro. And by the end of it, she's like, you're the best, you're like the best at this. And she was a professional at it. So took my horn, brother. I got to figure it figured out.
00:33:46
Speaker
That's a good end of the story, because I pre-pissed off and disliked that woman. Just from your first, I was like, ah, one of these people. yeah But she had the the strength and wherewithal to see it through and be like, okay, I see how it works. The people the people spoke, dude. The people liked me. Now I can understand that like I can come across as a dick for sure. So I'm down i'm end down with that perspective.
00:34:13
Speaker
I always liked cause cause our relationships span through several different friends groups that I had. Cause I always had like two or three different friends groups, whether it was. Well, you had like 23 best friends, like all these guys thought you were their best friend. I wasn't, yeah, I wasn't a lot of weddings. I was, I was first or second chair and a lot, a lot of weddings, but, uh, yeah, I always liked watching the interaction of when people just first met you. And especially when we were young and you were a little way out there, people would be like, what's going on there?
00:34:43
Speaker
But but you would it was like it didn't matter. You knew someone for 15 minutes and you're busting the ladle out on them or let's do this. It's just really funny how eventually everyone would crumble and just be part of the part of the but festivities why regardless of where I was. Yeah, because it's fun.
00:35:01
Speaker
But I look, it's funny too, though, because that I know that Lance, and then I look at the last time I was up there, like the way you acted like around the my old comedy friends was a little more standoffish. Like, I don't know if you what, what was going through your head was like, ah these guys are gonna these clowns are too self absorbed even, and or or I don't know, it's just not the right place for it, I guess. But I could tell you a little more reserved in that environment.
00:35:24
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I think that that was more of just. Setting. Well, I know I'm actually trying to break um ah this this careful mindset that I've been having over the last 10, 15 years. Just sort of been worn down by parenting, worn down by like corporations and not corporations. You lost into the silliness maybe?
00:35:45
Speaker
Oh, yeah. I mean, I want to do it. I want to get back to like where I was hiring a ah belly dancer for Mother's Day and nobody knew and they just surprised everybody and all of a sudden this belly dancer comes in and all the moms have to deal with it. I want to get back to that man. And I've ah lost that kind of that balls. I am the age of of of presenting these things like you you would Maybe we should hang up the phone right now and just fucking go. But I went nuts at my niece's wedding a few weeks ago. Like nuts. Like I was back to the old school Lance.
00:36:22
Speaker
I had this whole dance floor cheering all these different sayings. I was going nuts and they all loved it, bro. but My brother was like, thank you so much for making it so fun. Because they were going to be duds, dude, without El Boogie up there, bro. it it was his It was his kid. It was his kid. It was a Tuesday night wedding. So I had these MFs screaming, Tuesday night wedding.
00:36:50
Speaker
ah So that that that's the joy that I get out of life. What's the fam doing for that? Like the kids, are they like, oh my dad. No, they're all rolling with it. Yeah. They all start rolling with the like, they're just, it's like an environment where it's one of those weddings or one of those environments where you just, you should just probably just say, fuck it. well So you got on the mic and we're kind of emceeing the thing a little bit.
00:37:13
Speaker
No, it was more of just rallying everybody to dance and be crazy on the floor. And that was like a full two hours straight. And how did it feel? Was it like I'm back? or like Oh, it was a little bit like, yeah, there's my guy. Yeah, boy. that's ah Yeah. Is there anything you're, uh,
00:37:36
Speaker
You're actually like, you're not trying to quit that you're you're like reverse quitting. You're trying to unquit sort of like, and and and be silly, which is pretty cool. It's like, I guess you're trying to quit.
Quitting Behaviors and Identity
00:37:46
Speaker
Um, like being more conscious, being reserved and trying to like, let it flow more or something like that. Right. Yeah. I think so, dude. But I mean, I don't even know if we're on topic. If it matters. I mean, at this point, I'm going to bring it back. You're going to bring it back. Okay. well Well, it's on topic in the, in the fact that.
00:38:03
Speaker
First of all, not everything and not everything is black and white, where, oh, I got to quit it, because it's it's bad for me. like Playing basketball is good for you. Being competitive is good for you. Sticking up for your boys that want to play another game could be considered a good thing as well, right? Not just failing. But the negative side is it hurts your body. Your wife might have been at home but with two young kids, wondering why the fuck Lance has spent five hours with people he doesn't know. Or in my case, you know I have plenty of stories like that.
00:38:31
Speaker
Uh, so there's negative to it. So like, there are probably times where you embarrass your family or your, your friends or me or with your outlandish behavior, but the good part of it was like, it was who you are. And like, it's a form of expression that you need. So it's not always easy, like to quit something, right? Like, because it's not that black and white. Yeah. And I truly don't know. I probably just have a blinder. It's a blind spot to when other people are embarrassed. But that theme for me, uh,
00:39:01
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I'd always, I'd get some shit about, oh, you're just trying to, are you just, not everything's a joke. Not everything has to be funny. Not everything is, you're just trying to get attention. Why do you need attention? You're not getting attention when you're a kid. You get that from like my who? Like your wife? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. you you yeah Right there. You would get that. I don't have, like how many other situations are,
00:39:30
Speaker
I never had in the workplace. I think people just took it as like relief. It's like like that's a joke. It sounds cliche but like comedy relief is is real in certain situations, you know. Right but it's not conscious for you though. I think yeah that's what I that's what I try to tell people. I'm not I'm just talking. I'm not like oh I'm here comes a zinger. I'm just talking like I don't have no I'm not no intention of being the funny guy. I do have the intention if I have a funny thought of saying it, but I'm not I'm just fucking talking. And I think like for me, that's the difference.
Social Drinking Culture
00:40:06
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Because when I was talking to my friend about quitting drinking, and one of those things was like, it was like what we talked about earlier, like the identity thing.
00:40:14
Speaker
And his identity was like being the guy. And when you're in college, it's like he crushes, dude. We all, in high school, he can drink so much. is It's such a cool thing. But for men, that actually, a lot of times it goes all the way through your life. We're drinking a lot is ah is something to be like, you know, like everyone thinks it's great. That guy crushes. It's like, it yeah never went away. But then you also get in the eye, like, okay, you're on a, ah Whatever. you you and You're away with your family at a ah kid's sporting event now. like Like you've mentioned, you had to go to Alabama. for and the And all the pants are in the lobby having drinks at the bar. And you got to be that you gotta go, because that's your thing, man. You got to be the down there fucking.
00:40:54
Speaker
being the guy, right? like And that's an identity for people. And like so for being funny, i don't it i don't maybe it is my identity, but I don't look at it that way. yeah like I always got a reputation for being for drinking a lot, especially here. It was always funny. People joke about it all the time. Like, oh, here's the he's a guy. who Look at this. This is a guy that brings beer to a five-year-old but birthday party. And I'd be like, why wouldn't you drink at a fucking birthday party? It's like boring as shit.
00:41:23
Speaker
and five-year-old's birthday party. It's hell. You know. So do you have, can I ask, do you really think you had a problem problem? Drinking? Yeah. With jokes. No, i'm not ki not really. Not really. It's funny that quitting something justifies that you didn't have a problem because you're like, if if i if I was able to quit at cold turkey. But i don't ah yeah, I don't know. Like maybe by the book, by the definition of it, I might have, but. Yeah.
00:41:47
Speaker
And you were doing that to just be more of a life of the party. You needed it to like keep people, maybe get other people loose to have fun at the level you want to or what? Dude, for as long as i I was with my wife and for as long as I can remember, like you you mentioned that i that everyone thought I was their best friend. People have always loved drinking with me.
00:42:10
Speaker
And then people always loved drinking with us. And we always had friends that we all, every time we had like a really close group set at like a couple, my my wife and I, they were always power drinkers. yeah And so we always had, so we were stacked with social events of drinking, drinking, drinking. And then we lived in St. Louis for a while. It's like a hard drink in town, like really hard. And and our best friends owned a bar, like a really nice bar. It was great. It's fucking awesome.
00:42:39
Speaker
And like, and then I was, you know, I had a job at night that that put me in a bar essentially for every night of the year. So it's circumstantial. So yes, I drank a lot, but also like, it was always social. And then I don't know, I look at down here in the pandemic that our neighbors who lived across the the street from us were like to drink. And we just like, we had nothing to do with like, go over to their house, and they come over to our house, like five nights a week. And we'd fucking talk about COVID and drink and our kids would play and like,
00:43:08
Speaker
And they could get it done. And we can get it done. Yeah, you can get it done. Is your life less full without it? It's empty. It's completely empty without alcohol.
The Shift in Social Habits
00:43:20
Speaker
It's clear. It's the color clear because it has no soul. my life I know. I love it. I love not not drinking. I love being bored. Can you do it though? can't you do Can't you do both? If you don't have a problem, you can do a little bit of it.
00:43:34
Speaker
Yeah, I was actually telling my friend that I'm like, i't I don't tell people I quit drinking. I just stopped. Like if I go back to Italy, I think I'd probably want to drink some wine in fucking yeah in Italy. Right. Like, uh, so, but I have no desire to do it. And one of the things I told them was like, what I had, what you have to do, what I had to do was like, I think this is for anything that's like a bad habit is separate.
00:43:57
Speaker
you you You start associating things with whatever you're doing. Like for you, the basketball, like you associated that long-term thing as playing hoops. But ah one game is fucking playing hoops, right? it's not It's not like going the distance, the game just playing. And I had to like stop associating things with drinking. Like when I was surfing, even recently, I'd be like, when I come out of the water, it's like the best tasting beers ever. Gotta have a few beers. yeah And if I had a problem, it was like, if I had two or three beers, I could easily have eight or 10 and be fine. That's amazing to me.
00:44:28
Speaker
Are you kidding? That's no, it's just like, I mean, I immediately go, God damn, these are empty calories. Why why would I drink all this? Cause I didn't need one down dude, like water. They're going down. But like, I just never needed it to have to like act crazy. So I guess. Yeah, but that what I was never, I never actually acted crazy. I don't know if anyone ever even knew I was a drunk. Yeah. But maybe it was actually physiological for you, dude.
00:44:57
Speaker
It wasn't as conscious as you thought. Maybe you did have some addiction issues. Ah, probably. Because if you can go to eight or 10, man, I don't know. That's not, unless you're in college and it's like this social pressure thing, that's a lot, bro. I'm not trying to out you, dude. I'm just saying that's a lot. Well, then you don't want to hear that eight or 10 was just getting going, do you?
00:45:20
Speaker
is that i Dude, I remember one time I used to and there's always just people around drinking like it and so like I would go play hoops to these guys I still do sometimes but Sunday morning and then you go to a bar afterwards and Then I always have to bail like it for to go hang out my kids or whatever But but uh and or you know all everyone would leave because people always like gotta hang out with their mother-in-laws on Sundays here and all this shit or their moms and But then a few guys that either be divorced or single and just you'd see them like still sending pictures of themselves in the group chat at like 11 o'clock at night. They just go for like 12 hours. But I remember one day I was like, I got to go or something. And somebody was like, you sure you're all right? And I said, yeah, dude, I had I mean, I I didn't drink that
Challenges of Associative Habits
00:46:05
Speaker
much. It was like I said something like I had about I know I had like six or seven beers, but but
00:46:11
Speaker
I might, i maybe I'll get going when I get home or something like that. Like ill I'll start it up when I get home. And then I remember the guy just laughing like, just, just having beers, huh? And I would just, they didn't even register. But then hindsight, I'm like, but I thought I was fucking crazy. Like I just played hoops hard for two hours, hadn't eaten breakfast or anything. Banged out seven beers by 1230 in the afternoon.
00:46:34
Speaker
move back And you didn't feel any physical effects of that. You didn't feel the dehydration. You didn't feel a headache. No, it's something about dehydrated drinking at least for a while until it gets bad. It's so good. It's like a wine buzz or something. Wow. But I don't know about a problem, but I was able to stop and I didn't stop because anything bad happened. Like I just, this I stopped associating it with other stuff. I separated like fun events, even, even being social.
00:47:02
Speaker
Cause you get the point, like I can't go to a barbecue if I'm not drinking. I can't go to a bar or restaurant with my friends without drinking. And I separated all those. And now I can do everything if people are drinking or not. and And I think when you're quitting shit, you know, I always had a thing about one more. I can remember this like when I was a kid, like when you go outside and play and then it's time to go inside and i so and it's always like one more, one more, like got to jump on my bike or let's play stick ball for another 10 minutes.
00:47:32
Speaker
Yeah, but that's pretty common though. I mean, I don't know if you're particularly- Yeah, but it goes all the way through adulthood. Yeah. One more beer. One more pickup game, one more beer, one more like, okay, I'm gonna, I already, you know, like I was running a lot. My kids were young and I don't take the spouse to like, didn't like it sometimes where I'd just be like, I'm gonna go run for an hour and a half if she was trying to do something when the kids are really young.
00:47:59
Speaker
But I couldn't just go, if I ran for like 35 minutes, I would be like resentful. i had I had to like bury it, you know? Like I had to bury it. Otherwise I would just be like resentful all day. And there's always a little bit of that. That's a complete, like, same with surfing, dude. It's hard for me to get out of the water. Like, yeah. Well, I mean, you don't want it to end, but maybe some of that was escapism during the marriage.
00:48:28
Speaker
Yeah, there's that. It's like, what are you running away from? Literally. the young Young kid stages. It can be brutal if your mind's not right. Like I could do it pretty well now if I had this wisdom. But and when you first get exposed to sort of the disruption to all the things you used to do and and you don't appreciate the new stuff that you're experiencing and you're not loose about it because you think you're going to kill this kid by making a mistake, it's just stressful. So I get that. I did the same thing. I just decided to train for a marathon like six months after my first kid was born.
00:49:04
Speaker
justified too that You're like, I don't want to be like those fat fucks that lost themselves and yeah shit. You're like, no, I'm doing the right thing. yeah and And the other person taking care of the kids is like, hey, yeah, in those three hours that you were gone, here's what happened. Yeah. And I tried to release an album, like a new music album during that time, like right in that same year. Just stupid. Just trying to like make sure it wasn't good. Yeah. Yeah. There's that. But, uh, yeah, I, uh,
00:49:34
Speaker
I don't know what the, I don't know what this episode's about, but uh, it doesn't matter bro. enjoyed It shows a piece of shit. It's just, we just realized it's just the way that you get back to yourself. Yeah. Society Matt will know a society has a way of, um, confining us to certain expectations and, uh,
00:49:57
Speaker
I don't know, I like when I come across somebody in their fifties and they're a shit talker and they're fucking having fun and they're not worried. Actually, maybe that is the um liberation of getting into your fifties, which we're not there yet where you just kind of let go of all of it and get back to being yourself, get back to sort of that adolescent mindset.
00:50:20
Speaker
That's my biggest fear, man. It's like a ah deep fear I have of being that polished guy who's showing how adult he is. It's it's an endless fear that I I wish I was him actually. Life's a little easier. Just kind of play the part. But yeah, that is like such a fear of mine. And so it comes out everywhere where I'm like,
00:50:42
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, whatever I'm doing. I don't want to be I don't want to dress like it. I don't want to act like it. I don't want to parent like it. I don't want to do anything that relates to be like, look at me. I'm all grown up now. You know, yeah like, I don't I have a fear of that. I want to remain a child, a child.
00:51:00
Speaker
Well, I think you won't worry about it when you get dialed into an environment that allows you to express yourself. You're not going to even be worried about any of that. That's what I think. but you're go like work like get clothes Yeah. Your clothes or whether you cross the line into adulthood for a moment, you're not going to even think about that. I think if you're in, I did, I mean, we all have, we have a long work history. Yeah. I mean, we talked about that. I wasn't getting dressed up.
00:51:25
Speaker
Well, right, but you weren't in an environment that was true to you either. i but If you had a comedy career and you went to ah ah the set of a sitcom for 10 years, my guess is you're not sitting there thinking about or ah that you have to suppress who you are. I mean, you could probably just walk in in there and be. Right. Yeah, it's just a different world.
00:51:46
Speaker
It's funny though, it's like, cause I liked that and I thought I was good at it, but there are ah plenty of ridiculous sort of unwritten rules and shit that you have to put up with, but you're right you're willing to do it for that, right? It's like, sure. And you just like deal in that setting for some reason, you think it's okay. But if it's not the setting that you, you're into, you're like, this is fucking bullshit. Wearing fucking khakis cause some dicks gotta come. It's like, right. That's trying to find that space where you're free, bro. Right. Quit that other shit, Matt.
00:52:17
Speaker
and And one of the things about quitting is replacing it with something positive.
Replacing Bad Habits with Positivity
00:52:23
Speaker
And like, so, you know, I talk about surfing a lot, but like parenting and surfing is like enough for me. It's like, I don't, I don't need that much else. And so it makes everything else pretty easy. If I thought it was something that I should stop doing, it makes it pretty easy to do it when I have those things.
00:52:43
Speaker
But don't you think surfing is there's a gap in the social connection or the common? it's that's what's that's the That's the appeal. Okay. Did you think you could just do that exclusively exclusively and be satisfied? Yeah. I don't know, bro. I'm not trying to tell you who you are. why Why don't you think that? Well, what do you mean exclusively? I mean, I still have interactions with humans. but No, I know, but don't you get some satisfaction out of like,
00:53:09
Speaker
joint projects or joint effort with other people or some collective. That's all there. right That's all there. I should get on way for not well the I mean, the actual single wave, if you think about it as the single wave, you're riding the wave, but there's a community of people getting you information about where it's going to work, how it's going to work. It's it's not that much different than then sort of the ski snowboard scene. like The general excitement in Denver when there's going to be like snow, you know, and like the community of skiers might, you know, you're skiing by yourself. But earlier but that's that's not a team sport. It's not a team sport. It's like, bro, bro, dude, there's going to be some major swells coming in. Oh, I know, bro. I know, bro.
00:53:58
Speaker
you're sitting out in the group in the water, the group of people that that found it, and you're sort of celebrating it all together. And they probably brought their kids, they probably brought their friends, and you're out there in this community of people that are. And so you're not out there talking about fucking your woke bullshit, Lance, but you're sitting out there enjoying life and whatever. Where you from what are you What are you doing down here?
00:54:21
Speaker
Okay, so it's like a swell coming in. It's a it's a very nice peaceful non. I mean, I look at it as the same like when you go play basketball with some of these guys that you weren't like you you before the game you shoot the ship for 10 minutes and it's nice. It's got no strings attached. it's It's a lot like that. Yeah, but it's kind of it's almost more of like communal living like you're in it together. You're yeah, you get to know each other. You're gonna like work around whose wave it is or how you drop in and all that. Okay, all that.
00:54:52
Speaker
and And then you also get like, when you when you get out there, there's always like young kids around. And so you get like, there's a lot of people that are, that make a point to sort of help these kids and celebrate these kids. Like young, especially my daughter, like young a young girl out there is not necessarily that normal. A young girl who's ripping and everyone's like, gets pretty excited about that. So there's that cool kind of like community vibe to it.
00:55:12
Speaker
Now it can also be competitive. As I mentioned on another show, a guy with a Macy's day float size head got pissed at me. Uh, that's a Thanksgiving joke. What did he say with the callback? My, my, my, my. Yeah. So look for him. Uh, either and Macy's day or Rose Bowl parade.
00:55:36
Speaker
but But so there is tension, like stealing waves is, but you know, same thing in pickup basketball, hard foul might draw some. So there is there is some community to it as much as you want. I mean, as much as you want to get into it, like you don't have to. But socially, I think it's great. ah But my point is more just like, I mean, you might you might like, why do people do all this crazy shit now? Like they're feeling some other sort of like addiction or trying to get a release. and they And so now we talked about like people are ultra running. There's something going on there if you start ultra running, right? Like there's something fucking going on. So.
00:56:12
Speaker
But they found it that might be in the keeps them off crack. Who knows? You know, it might be keeps them from. It's definitely healthier coping. Yeah. So that's what you got to find. If you're quitting something that's detrimental.
00:56:26
Speaker
Well, that it, I think it's good. I don't know what we talked about. I have no idea. You lit up though, dude. When you started thinking about, about sort of being, being a, uh, a provoker in a positive way, like it's.
00:56:40
Speaker
I mean, that's great to hear, dude, that you're still doing that weddings. Oh, I went off. I fucking went off. Well, happy fucking Thanksgiving, dude. I think. Why'd you have to drop F word in between? Oh, that is something I should probably quit as my language because I see my kids like speaking like me now. Your kids are bad, bro. I mean, your son, it was like fucking nine comes on behind. He's like fucking Lance. I don't fucking know.
00:57:12
Speaker
Ooh, what a piece of shit