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Get Your A** Up and Work: With Audrey Kominski and Sami Lucas
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This week we're continuing the conversation from our "She's Not Well" episode about job hunting in the arts. We brought on two of our personal favorite art and life friends who have some amazing thoughts on making a major transition such as this.
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Introduction and Sponsor Announcement
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Meet the Guests: Sammy and Audrey
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Hello, hello, and welcome to Art Pop Talk. I'm Gianna. And I'm Bianca. Today we are joined by two very best friends of APT, Sammy Lucas and Audrey Kaminski. We're following up on our She's Not Well episode from a few weeks ago and talking about the highs and lows of the life not lived solely for the arts. What does it mean to love art and still live with it even if it's not your primary source of income?
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You guys are in for such a treat. Audrey and Sami are my personal life coach experts. So today there is no chitty chatty.
Handling Pressure and College Memories
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We are just going straight into our conversation with these two very fine women. Let's art pop talk.
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Hello, hello, everybody, and welcome to today's episode of Art Pop Talk. We are here with the lovely Audrey Kaminski and Sammy Lucas, best friends of APT. Thank you so much for being here with us today, ladies, and welcome back to the show, Audrey. How you doing? I'm doing great. I mean, I love being here with you guys.
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You seem nervous. I am. I don't know what to expect. I just have 10 questions here that I don't know what you're going to be throwing at me. They're fun. They're going to be great. They're not all super scary. It's fine. Yeah. Okay. And we have a first timer with Sammy. Who also seems very nervous. What's going on guys? Both of our guests, we have like unprepared. We have underprepared them for today.
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do my best to work under pressure. It's like you've never written a paper more than 24 hours before the deadline.
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Yeah, exactly like that. Just now it's a verbal paper. I always felt like that was the key fundamental difference between you and me, Sammy, because in college, you would always make fun of me because I'd be stressing out about writing a paper two weeks in advance and you'd be like, bitch, you're fine. Calm down.
Rapid-Fire Favorites with Audrey
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Just do it the night before, like me. Especially if we're talking two weeks in advance, I wouldn't even know that we had a paper due.
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Were you ever one of those people who shows up on the day of and is like, we have a test today? I wasn't that bad. It would be like, it would be like the week of and I'd be like, oh, we have a test this week. But I wasn't like showing up. I will say, okay. The only time in my life that that has ever happened to me was when I took the GRE when I like knew that I was going to go to grad school. And I will say I, you know, had never had any intention of like looking up what the GRE was. I just knew I had to take it.
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So I did, I just paid my enrollment fee and then went and showed up to the test to take the test. I will say I did show up and I didn't know that there was math on the test and three out of six sections are math. So, however, I did great. Again, I do my best work under pressure. So, worked out, but that seems unreal.
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All right. Well, you have sufficiently made your neighborhood friendly people pleaser, Gianna Martucci Fink, very anxious as well because that is not how I fly. But enough about me though, because we are here to get to know you guys. And we wanted to start our episode today with rapid fire questions, Phoebe Buffay style, and you have to answer them as fast as you can. Does that sound okay?
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I guess so. I guess so. Well, we're going to do
The Case of the Missing Vibrator
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it anyway. We're going to do it anyways. What's written in the document. What's written in the document stays in the must stay.
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Well, Audrey, we're gonna, we're gonna go with you first. And you're gonna answer all my questions. Are you ready? Yes. Okay, enthusiastic yes this time. Can we get Josh to play some like doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo like music in the Mario Kart theme song like Rainbow Road style? Yeah. All right, Audrey, question number one. On a scale of Sean Kingston to Natasha Beddingfield, how are you doing today?
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I would say let's go with Natasha Beddingfield and of that spectrum. What does that question mean? It's rapid fire, no thinking. Rapid fire, no thinking. Are you like shorty fire burning on the dance floor or is the rest of your day still unwritten? My therapist brain went to like when he was suicidal because of the beautiful girl.
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I don't know. I actually do really I like that song though, because of that scene in Gossip Girl where like Serena and Blair like having that whole best friends photo shoot. You know what I'm talking about? Like, I know exactly. That actually could be beautiful girl could be a vibe. That girl today. I will accept beautiful girl that photo shoot was
Rapid-Fire Favorites with Sammy
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iconic. Absolutely. Okay, Audrey, what do you love more ice cream or pop tarts? Ice cream. What shows are you watching right now?
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New Girl, rewatch always. Actually we're watching a lot of Saturday Night Live right now. Like a lot of compilations, like a lot of like past episodes and have really been liking that. Audrey, where is your happy place?
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I mean, immediate goes to Kansas City just because I'm thinking about moving there. Yeah, I'll go with that. Kansas City. That's my happy place. Oh, good. Well, speaking of Kansas City, and like you just said, you are moving soon, so I want to know what exactly is in your donation box currently. Okay, actually, you guys would be proud of me because I actually just did... I donate a little bit at a time, so I don't like... I'm not, you know,
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piling up a big one right now. But I did just get rid of a lot of clothes. I took like several boxes to Goodwill and I tried to send one into thredUP to see if they'll buy anything from me. I'm 100% sure I'll get nothing. I feel like we always all do those things though. Like they really get you they really make you think they're going to give you money for your clothes. They never do. Yeah. Yeah. All right, Audrey, what was the last piece of art you made?
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Oh, no. As far as like visual art, I did do some printmaking last summer. That's around here. I probably haven't sewed anything since like January. And yeah, but I'll go with the last time I've done printmaking was last
Transitioning from Traditional Art Careers
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summer. Audrey, what is your favorite work of art in your collection currently?
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Ooh, like in my house or? Yeah, that you have that you own. That is a good one. But shoot, because of the pressure, I'm not going to be able to, but Gianna, you know this artist too. Okay. You know that lamp that I have in my, that's like the copper with the copper bulb that's on the side. It's like, okay, David Phelps is kind of friends. You know her through him. Yeah. Beatrice Mallorca.
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Yes, I have a lamp by her that I got in an allied arts, artini auction, I think a couple years ago. And I just adore it. It's like a wooden little table lamp with like, copper, like piping, like a copper bulb on this. It's like, it's like one of my favorite pieces. I love it. Love some good functional art. She's like, so cool. Her work is so like, clever and functional. And she does a lot of public art. Yeah, her work is dope.
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Audrey, this is my last question for you. Where is your vibrator? Do you know where it is currently? Guys, we still don't know.
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I still have not found it. I like, honestly, this, maybe this is a good writing prompt is like what happened to the story of the missing vibrator. It kind of is going to be like, veggie, where is my hairbrush? Like some sort of like contest of like who comes up with the most creative story like gets free merch.
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Oh my god, what did happen to the vibrator? Send in your thoughts. So Audrey, do you want to give the little backstory? So two weeks ago, I was looking for my vibrator, couldn't find it in any of the usual spots. Usually I clean it after it's used, it goes back to the underwear drawer, like literally two other spots like in my entire house in the bathroom. It's not very many places that this thing can walk off to, or at least I thought.
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But no, I have looked absolutely everywhere. I have looked under the bed. I've like used the flashlight. I've looked like in between like where the mattress kind of backs up to the bed frame. Like if it like got like, you know, wedged in, like I have used the flashlight. I don't know. When I got to the point where I was like kind of trying to use my flashlight in the bedroom trash can, that's when I knew what is my, what does my life come to right now?
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Do you think it got put in a donation box? Jesus Christ, I hope not. Or the context of that situation is going to be really interesting because it's like, will you find it when you're packing or will you find it when you're moving when potentially Charlie's friends and your parents are helping you move? It's really a gamble. That could very well happen. I can very easily see a future in which that's happening to me. Well, keep us posted. Definitely have to keep you posted there.
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Oh, boy. All right. Well, Audrey answered all of my questions. Thank you for being such a good sport. You know, I always wanted APT to be like, you know, a wannabe murderino podcast. So this will give us like a good chance to get like some good like mystery stories in to the podcast.
Career and Lifestyle Choices in Art
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Just about the vibrator. I'm glad we did that at the beginning. So we got it out of the way. Miss Sammy.
00:11:46
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It's your turn. Are you ready? I am as ready as I will be. Fabulous. Okay. What is your favorite work of art? I feel like that is such a complicated question, but like that I own right now. The first thing that came to my mind since Audrey answered that question is I ordered some prints from like this artist I found on TikTok. That's like a
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trans print maker and he exclusively makes cowboy themed art. And so it's this print that has like this really cute cowboy face in the middle with like, I don't know, these Western symbols and whatever. And it just says, is that a boy or a girl? And then on the bottom, it says, ma'am, that's a cowboy. So that's my current favorite one I own. You'll have to send that to us and then we can like highlight it on our Instagram. Okay. Who is your biggest celebrity crush?
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There's so many. Let's see, Dua Lipa, Doja Cat. That's on brand. I'll keep those two. We'll stop there. Yeah. Okay. Would you go to space with Pete Davidson and Jeff Bezos? No. What is your favorite fruit?
00:12:58
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Probably Pears. Ooh, that's a good one. I feel like Justice for Pears. Agreed, agreed. They're very overlooked as a fruit. If you could live in a 2000s rom-com, what movie would you live in? Woof. 2000s rom-com. Like early 2000s we're talking? Just 2000s. Okay, well that's hard. Maybe The Holiday, but I'd want to
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I live in England. I'd be the one that lived in England. I'd be the one that lived in England. Yes. You'd be the Kate Winslet, or would you be the Cameron Diaz who moved to England? Would you? Oh, yeah. Well, Kate Winslet ends up with Jack Black, so I want to be Cameron Diaz. No offense to Jack Black, a great guy, I'm sure. I just personally would rather have the cutie British man with the curls on the top and his sweet little girls with accents.
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Oh, yeah, that that seemed that makes sense for sure. If you could only listen to one song for the rest of your life, what would it be? My God, you ask such hard questions. I know. Oh, I'm panicking. I don't know. I guess something something my top two artists are always Phoebe Bridgers and Doja Cat. So probably something by either or maybe if I if they did like a mashup situation. Okay. I feel like there's potential for like that to be decent. Yeah.
00:14:25
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Maybe. Yeah. Okay. So we're going to go for a... That way you get like your sad girl, but you also get your heat crossover. Yeah. Sad girl. Gotta hang all the marks. Um, what is your go-to coffee order? Um, uh, just an Americano, black. Perfect. What do you get off the two for 25 Chili's menu? Listen. Hmm. Well, we love a good two for 25. Probably some of those like Southwestern egg rolls.
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Oh, and I don't know a taco. I'm I love a taco and a taco. Okay. I like the, uh, the queso and the, uh, what are they? The little chicken tenders and chilies. Okay. Final question. What role would you play in an oceans eight style Met Gala heist? Listen,
00:15:21
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I'm still not fine after texting you that the other day. I'm sorry, but can we just talk about, like before I even answered this question, you're talking about this and it's bringing it up for me. Rihanna is everything to me in general, as we know, but like specifically I was telling Katie, I was like the scene, the scene, this movie, I felt like I might, I was the closest I've ever felt to like congestive heart failure in my entire life.
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It was the first time I watched this movie and it's a scene with Rihanna just walking into the Met Gala and Katie was like, well, what's she doing? I said, oh, she's just wearing a red dress. That's all. I just felt like I was going to die and throw up all at the same time. But anyway.
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What was the question? I got really sidetracked about Rihanna in this dress. That's okay. What role would you play in the Oceans 8 style Met Gala heist? It could be a role that's not in the movie too. I mean my social skills I feel like are relatively good, especially under pressure. So I feel like I would be the distraction.
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Okay, you know, like, that would be my role would be telling, talk style, you know, she's like distracting people with her little games, but you know, yeah, or like the scene or Sandra Bullock is like, you know, speaking in German trying to distract all the security guards. I feel like I would be good under pressure. Oh, yeah.
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I can see that. I can definitely see that. Like a little social butterfly. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Or like the Anne Hathaway. Actually, maybe I'm the Anne Hathaway of the whole thing now that I need you on it. But then she joins the dark side. Anne, because she just gets to be extra as fuck the whole movie. Oh, yeah. You mean you don't think you're Kate Blanchett diluting bottles of vodka in the back of a club?
00:17:07
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No, I feel like I honestly would not be smart enough to even come up. That's what I was gonna say. Like that takes that takes planning ahead so much. And as we previously previously explored in this episode, I am not one to plan very far ahead. So I like
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Debating Side Hustles in Art
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Thank you guys for playing our little game. We just wanted to have the listeners get to know you guys.
00:19:04
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a little bit better. But the main reason that we asked you here today, I mean, we just like to talk to you guys about life in general. And if we're talking about life, you two are the people that are the best at
00:19:20
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not only giving advice, but just working through a lot of life issues with and I feel like we've all gone on kind of a similar path and trajectory and just navigating those obstacles. You guys just always help me kind of like clear my mind and work through all that kind of stuff. So we got a lot of responses from the she's not well
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episode that we had a few weeks back. And based on the feedback that we received from our listeners and the discussion that we had, it just seems like it really resonated with a lot of people. And we kind of knew that going in the topic was something that we personally feel is very under discussed at large within the art world, but also, you know, amongst just kind of regular work culture and this kind of great resignation that we're seeing, like part of the discussion that's missing is that transition period.
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we thought you guys would be the perfect people to bring on these life navigating experts and we wanted to create a little bit more nuance and really talk about kind of life post art or what that looks like or how art can still remain a part of your life even if you're going in a different kind of
00:20:35
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work path than you originally thought. So Audrey, I wanted to start with you because you have been on the podcast before. And last we heard from you, you were working for an arts nonprofit in Oklahoma City. So can you talk a little bit about what you're doing now and how that transition took place for you? And how did you come to the decision to look for something outside of a traditional arts workplace?
00:21:02
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So yeah, so I work for a marketing agency now and I am in a client services role. So basically I keep up relationships with a lot of clients. I'm on meetings with them all day. And then we have a lot of like internal production team members who are experts in different areas. They might be experts at social media or digital ads or blogging or kind of all these different things. So my role is about like,
00:21:27
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knowing the client well enough to know how all of these different tactics work and how they kind of work together. And then being a relationship manager and team leader kind of at the end of the day, which is a really good fit for me. I was surprised, you know, kind of as it was unfolding, how much I was liking it and how much I'm continuing to like it. Because I think, I don't know, I'm just a person who has people have encouraged me in the arts, like my whole life. So that's, I don't know, I actually kind of maybe have the reverse problem where I thought, like,
00:21:57
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and people have always encouraged me arts, arts, arts, arts, arts. I never really considered that there's other ways I can be satisfied in a career that's not in an arts way. And I'm really learning a lot there, both about marketing, but also I'm sitting in meetings with leaders of a lot of different businesses every day. It's interesting to observe how different teams are run and how different businesses are run. And really when I was starting to come to the end of my previous job,
00:22:26
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I was starting to feel like I had learned all that I could learn. And that does not mean I was perfect at my job. Like by no means does that mean I was perfect at my job. Even up until the last event I did, there were plenty of things that went wrong. And I still could have kept learning, I guess, if you're defining that as like being perfect at something. But what I was starting to kind of think, you know, as I was considering, hey, have I learned enough here? Is it time to move on? Is that like, there's going to be like special perks and maybe challenges in any job and anywhere that you're
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But if you can know like okay which of those perks are what I really need right now in my current lifestyle and which of those like challenges on the challenges side like are they genuinely deterring me from like at my previous job I was starting to like not be able to go to sleep, you know, and kind of have these other
00:23:15
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Those types of challenges are just like genuinely hurting me but there's also challenges in which like it's actually teaching you something in the long run like i would say when i made the decision to switch you know the perk that i was looking for was i need like
00:23:29
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a ticket to Kansas City, you know, the agency that I'm currently working for was up there. That's where I was trying to move. I wanted to learn some different things. And maybe it was, I knew it was going to be a challenge like, okay, this is the first major non arts role that I've taken. But like, that to me is a challenge that's going to teach me something that might be hard. There might be days where I'm kind of lonely, like nobody else, you know, kind of gets this artist nonprofit perspective that I'm coming from.
00:23:54
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But to me, that's worth it because I'm going to learn something from it in the long run, you know, and I'm not losing sleep at night. Those are all there's never a perfect setup. But like, I guess this one is just more suited to where my life is right now. That's kind of how I'd answer that. Yeah, no, I think that actually
00:24:10
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reminds maybe Gianna and I of a conversation that we had the other day. And Gianna and I were just talking about, you know, me transitioning out of the museum space and into something different. And it's not necessarily about all of a sudden, you're just going to make this happen, like you're just going to follow these steps. And, you know, everyone always says, oh, something will like come about. And and that is all well and good. And that might be true, but
00:24:40
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making the decision to do something. So this is the lifestyle that I want. I want to be in Kansas City. I'm just going to decide to either look for remote places or places of work based out of Kansas City or like this is the type of lifestyle that I want to live. So I'm going to make the decision to
00:25:03
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look at whatever salaries in this given range. And that's something that when I was going through the job process, obviously in my previous role, we talked about this with salary transparency, I was making $40,000 a year. And
00:25:20
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that just wasn't enough to sustain rent. Obviously right now the cost of living is going up astronomically. I moved to a city like Boston, it's not a cheap city by any means. And so I was getting offers or in interviews with people who were offering somewhere in that 40 to 50 range. And with my student loans, like $50,000 to student loans,
00:25:48
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there's a certain type of lifestyle that I would like to lead, that including getting myself out of debt and being able to pay rent. And I wasn't necessarily in a position to turn down job offers at that time. But I was telling Gianna, I just had to make the decision that I know what
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the museum world has offered me in the past? And do I really want to keep subjecting myself to that type of environment again? And I know that we're going to continue this point, I think, throughout our conversation
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today. And it is something that's really hard, I think, for all of us to kind of come to terms with that when we have been taught for so long to be grateful for any type of opportunity, which, of course, I don't think any of us have been completely ungrateful for a type of opportunity.
00:26:40
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it is really hard to shift that mindset into making a decision that works for you, because that's not really what we're taught in the arts. And I'm not sure about kind of other fields, maybe Sammy, you can kind of speak to that too. Like we are not taught to look for things that work for us. It's like you need to be able to work for this type of set environment. So Audrey, I just appreciate you saying that as well. Like you are taking on these points and really honing in on
00:27:11
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on what you need and want out of your life. And that's an okay thing to process whenever you're going through this. Yeah, I think that's great. And I just want to say, Yunk, I think you say it so well when you say just making a decision because that's people think of like, I don't know, wanting to get everything they want immediately when like it's kind of more about that's not usually how life works. Like it's like a, I don't know, you can decide what things are most important to you right now.
00:27:39
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and find something, you know, and kind of stick with that. So just thought you'd put that well. So Sammy, you're up. As we said earlier, you are new to the podcast. You've never been here before. So we
00:27:54
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We're excited to have you answer all those rapid fire questions, but we do want to dive in a little bit more into your background and your relationship with the arts. So if you'd be so kind of speak to that and how you've chosen to keep art a part of your life and talk a little bit about what does that separation look like and how you
00:28:15
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kind of divide up your professional ties to the arts since I think all of us here will always have a kind of daily appreciation and love for it, but it's different when we're talking about time and business and your livelihood at the same time. Yeah, for sure. So background wise, for those of you who don't know, I met Gianna and Audrey in
00:28:44
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The Studio Art Program, kind of in like the earlier years when we were in the more basic classes, trying to figure out what it is we wanted to
Conclusion and Gratitude
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focus on. So that's how I met them. And then got really nervous about having to do a capstone show. So I changed my major right before senior year, as we do.
00:29:08
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But I also have always been interested in lots of different things. I was double majoring for a long time in psychology as well. So I was really interested in that, but no, I didn't want to go into like the
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that branch of the medical, like pharmaceutical industries type of stuff. So yeah, but so yeah, I ended up graduating with a double in studio and human development and family science randomly. So ended up going to grad school right now, which I'm finishing up in a few weeks here, getting my master's in social work and eventually
00:29:47
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So I'll be doing therapy, which is super dope and I'm really excited. But when it comes to how I've chosen to incorporate being in such a separate industry and field, so to speak, I always just view it of how do I keep myself tied to the creative industry in some sense, because that's always where I have made my friends, all four of us, in creative spaces.
00:30:15
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Which it's been really cool I think to not formally be a part of the art world to realize like how expansive that definition is of like what qualifies as a creative space. For me, I have found a ton of my friends in the tattoo community. So yeah, so it's been really interesting my so my first like
00:30:35
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I have to figure out a way to somehow incorporate this was definitely from like the social aspect. But as time has gone on, it's kind of evolved into similar even to what Bianca and Audrey were just speaking to of like making the decision. Like for me, instead of like making a formal career decision, it was
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differentiating that hierarchy of what I know that I need and what's helpful and useful for me. And so for me, it was a lot of being creative and with that expansive definition of what being creative looks like, right? Like is one of my
00:31:14
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highest values that I hold for myself and for my life so it was like how do I model my life in a very flexible way to be as closely aligned as possible with like that value that I have of creativity. I picked up on something you said earlier about also gravitating to the arts because you essentially vibe with the people
00:31:39
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in those spaces and the other day I was out with Phoebe and I walked into a gallery in downtown Tulsa and it was very empty. There was only a couple people in there and these two really lovely ladies were in there and we instantly just started talking.
00:32:01
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And it was nice and also an odd friendly reminder about truly how incredibly lonely I am in relation to the arts and also how incredibly isolating it can be. And I don't know if you guys have felt that or if that's just a pandemic thing, but it was so funny and
00:32:26
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familiar to walk into a freaking stunning art show, but in an empty room and just be able to talk to one person in there and have a totally lovely conversation. And I actually exchanged numbers with this woman who, by the way, wasn't even an artist. She was getting her doctorate and studies, what is that called, anesthesia and just
00:32:51
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has a love for the arts and as a friend for the arts, but it just also, I haven't been in those spaces in a while and kind of self-reflecting. I know that I'm also have been isolating myself from those spaces and I've been distancing myself from them. Um, but also we have the incredible opportunity on the podcast to connect with people digitally. Uh, but it doesn't satisfy this crave for me. Um, and how like truly I felt like so
00:33:22
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at not when we're all together, even virtually, but just when you're in it by yourself, or even if you're making a print at home, Sammy, I don't know how you... It feels, oh, I have this creative outlet, but it's felt really lonely doing that art at home. I don't know how you guys have been feeling. Yeah, that's dope, John. I'm glad you were able to have that experience also, so I want to speak to that.
00:33:48
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I think as I've stepped away and I think even, I mean, obviously getting my master's in social work and being in these spaces where it's just me and a bunch of therapists in class and all that kind of stuff has very much expanded my vocabulary and given me the opportunity to be able to give language to things that necessarily before I might not have had words that felt true enough. But I think in the thing about
00:34:17
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that for me right is like no matter the art space that you're walking into like whether it be like a show like that or when I'm hanging out with my friends that tattoo and just being in their spaces that they've created like their the common theme is like vulnerability and it's it's automatic for the people that are sharing their art or have created the space or have anything like that and and so it automatically like gives
00:34:43
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gives there something like this this thing that is tangible that we can relate to because it's like we know what all has gone into these different things and it just automatically presents you with like the opportunity to like get to know those people better because you're getting to see like what means something to other people even if they're not telling you like this is what's important to me this means something to me this holds a lot of value
00:35:09
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It's an unspoken opportunity for you to be able to like witness that and hold space for that. Yeah. Yeah. I think so too. Well, kind of going off of that and talking about, you know, people's relationship with their own art and also putting that into the world. I kind of want to open up this question for both Sammy and Audrey. And I've talked about this a lot on the podcast and how I try not to refer to
00:35:36
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anything I do in my life as a side hustle because I think it's kind of like self-deprecating humor in regards to our pop talk or my art. Like if I pick up a pencil and I sketch something only one time that month, like I am still an artist and it's like hard to give that daily reminder. And so I'm curious about the things that you guys are doing. Sammy, you mentioned that you are starting to make art and prints and also do things on like totes and t-shirts.
00:36:05
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And then Audrey, if you want to talk about the creative projects you've been doing outside of your new marketing position. So who wants to go first? Audrey, I would love to hear about your, just what you're doing with social media, I think is so interesting. And I don't know, you always just have that quality about you where you really let people into your space. Like Sammy was just kind of talking about what, in whatever kind of project you're working on. And I think that.
00:36:34
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that is something that I really just appreciate like from maybe like an outsider perspective but that's something that I wish that I had maybe more of a capability of doing because I feel like you are just always so good about sharing a lot with other people and you were talking to me a little bit ago too about how what you're doing with social media now you have kind of reconnected with people that you maybe haven't talked to in a while and even though social media has become kind of this
00:37:04
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I don't know, maybe methodical part of our everyday lives. I think you're doing something really interesting and creative with it at the same time. So if you wanted to talk about that too, I would be interested. Yeah. I even tried to write some notes cause I just have so many thoughts about social media and it's hard to narrow it down, you know, to, but I feel like based on the kind of the conversation that we've had so far, which is a lot about how like,
00:37:32
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the everyday is really important in terms of like, that's all you have, first of all, is just like your daily life. And then creative people too, I think there's an, especially when you're young, there's so many seasons in which you find yourself that you might not, like making art all the time might not be as feasible as you thought. And that's do no, through no fault of your own, because like you're trying to work, you know, full-time or like you have a small enough space. Like I,
00:37:59
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work from home full time in the only bedroom that could be a studio room for me is where I work eight to five Monday through Friday. So like, I don't really want to be in here, you know, for a time like outside of that to be able to work, you know, on other stuff. So for me, like, social media is kind of a way right now where I can, one, be creative, because it's so mobile, right? Like you can do it anywhere, and not have to have like a, you know, a designated room for it. And I think that
00:38:28
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I don't know, so many people are, it gets a really bad reputation, but I think social media is a tool and it's all about like how you use it. I use it to be social and connect with people. And that's how I view the purpose of the platform. And to just like, I don't know, show people that like the everyday decisions that you make in your life like do matter.
00:38:55
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And it's been crazy because like those two things combined when you're using it to to be social but you're also like aware of your the effects that you're having on other people and that people are watching you and they are observing you and you know like at 10 o'clock at night at the end of the day when they're assessing their day you know what I mean like they're looking at you like if you take that stuff seriously.
00:39:16
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It can really, I don't know, go far. Like I've just been very, I've met a lot of people for, I've made friends like through that solely through Instagram, like did not know them at all before. Um, and yeah, reconnected with a lot of people I haven't talked to in a while who have just like, you know, thank you so much for like being this kind of genuine. It's not even about like, I don't know. I'm going to get into a tangent, but just like being genuine and being authentic on social media doesn't have to just be like,
00:39:46
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I'm posting all these, you know, selfies with no makeup. Like, I feel like we can think a little bit more beyond that, you know, for what being genuine is. And I think people have a sense for, can tell what that is and are like to be around that. So that's what I'll say, I guess. For me, I don't view it as a side hustle at all because my intention like behind it, like why I'm like
00:40:12
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making the time to do it, right? And why it's important to me, why I enjoy it, has nothing to do with making money. It's just something that I actually really enjoy doing and that I struggle to slow down. And as all of us know, print takes a long time. There is no part of it that's super quick.
00:40:40
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I think I don't view it as a side hustle due to like the intention behind it. Because my intention is not like if I can make money off of it, that's dope.
00:40:51
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I don't know. Well, it's just so interesting. It is interesting. And this kind of leads me into like a kind of a really funny question that Bianca put in our document. So I feel as though I must just because also, as we've discussed, we all went to the same school.
00:41:10
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the three of us were in the same program. And when you go to a smaller university, you do the pros of that is that you have the ability to form very unique and personal and loving relationships with your professors and your mentors. And we're very grateful that we know that some of those people are probably listening to this episode right now, have been our biggest advocates. But I kind of want to invite them into this conversation.
00:41:39
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But like, yo, like, what, what do you think about all four of us coming at this crossroads at this point? And like, how not to give myself like a gold star or all of us a gold star, but we all were very successful in our program. I was, we could all pick several professors out of a lineup, I feel as though and
00:42:04
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They have written us great letters of recommendation. We had people who were advocates for us who were on our side that were like, you're going to do great things.
00:42:14
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feel like I think it's okay to say that like I feel like I have failed sometimes I feel like art pop talk isn't the only thing that I want to do like art is not what I'm doing full time like what does it say about like OSU and they're like for failed art pros here for critiquing this industry so much like what is your hot take?
00:42:36
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not to be the one that answers the question, but this has been something that's just kind of been on my mind recently. Part of me wants to just have a talk with the OSU Department of Art. And generally, just you were saying OSU is not a small school by any means. OSU is a very large institution, but our art department obviously was fairly small. OSU is not known for its art program by any means. So we understand that we did not go to
00:43:06
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at a large art school. But at the same time, like echoing what you're saying, Gianna, all of us were very successful at what we did at OSU. And part of me going through this transition has been kind of upset with how that time at OSU took place. And it's hard not to be like, wow, did I make the wrong decision? Because I'm not doing this anymore. And is art pop talk the only way that I'm staying connected to the arts? And is art pop talk the only thing that is
00:43:35
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kind of worth the $50,000 of debt that I have from that institution. Like I feel like I've kind of been grappling with all of these questions since kind of stemming or that are stemming from OSU because that is a decision that I made in the past to focus on art and art history. And from that point on, it feels weird, I guess. My hot take is I
00:44:02
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don't feel like we're failed. It is a hot take. I don't think like, I guess I didn't expect that like, because I got this degree, then by the time I'm 25, my like exact perfect career was figured out from going into the program. I probably have some more, I mean, I just think college in general, like the fact that we're making people even decide
00:44:29
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at 17 or 18 like what they're going to study that supposedly going to like you know go with them for the rest of their life like that to me is the part that seems like a little ridiculous because like yes I majored in art but like that was just because at that time when I was 18 and making a decision like
00:44:48
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that felt like what I was choosing as my next step. That's where I wanted to put my youthful sponge absorbing years to the arts because I know that I have an affinity for the arts that's going to be with me for my whole life.
00:45:06
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I don't know if I'm articulating this the best way, but I didn't necessarily need for that to mean that then the whole rest of my life, the way that I'm pursuing art is showing up the exact same way the whole time. I'm really okay with, I consider it, I guess, the best way to put this is it was my decision to go kind of a different direction and to collect some other tools for what I wanted for my career, and I don't feel that I was pushed out because I felt that I made this of my own accord.
00:45:36
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it wasn't anyone else's fault or like through no, you know, lack of training or through even like lack of opportunities. Even, um, I'm just here because I want to be here at this point. Now ask me again, if then, you know, a few years down the line, when I'm actually like making the next move for what I want, you know, if I still feel the same way, but at least, at least how I feel right now. I think that's such a great mindset that we should really think about, I don't know,
00:46:02
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in culture at large about kind of shifting towards. And I think that's the biggest problem. This might be like a reiteration from a few weeks ago, but changing fields is not that easy in practice. Like again, you can make that decision. And I am so glad that I have made the decision to do so because I think I am in for a great, as Audrey put it kind of like,
00:46:28
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next phase of my life, I think that this is going to be really fantastic. But there's still a larger problem where I might feel ready for a change.
00:46:40
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but other institutions don't feel ready to accept me in that change. And so it puts, I don't know, for me, it's been putting pressure like back to this, like maybe origin story. Like, why did I make this decision back then? Like, it was something that existed in my heart, and it will always exist in my heart for me. Like, I will never not love art history as much as it
00:47:04
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sucks sometimes and as much as we can get upset about it and critique it but I love it and will always love it but it's hard it's been hard for me to kind of wrestle with such a big decision and maybe I have been kind of thinking about it in
00:47:22
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like not that it's a right or wrong way, but Audrey, I like the way that you have described it as like, this is how I felt at this point in my life. And it is kind of ridiculous that I had to make this huge decision that that was going to impact every single other opportunity for me to kind of shift careers down the line. But I like the way that you're also
00:47:46
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thinking about it and are looking to how you can navigate it and how you can make those new decisions going forward too. Sami, do you want to jump in? Yeah, I mean, I think Audrey, not a hot take at all because I couldn't agree more. I think I'll have an even more like, I don't know, take it a step further and maybe this is a hot take, but I feel like all of us being at the point that it is, and it is laughable, you know,
00:48:14
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I'm sure everybody at some point reaches some similar, you know, experience such as this. However, like with the four of us coming out of like the same program, the same department, all of these things, like I think it only speaks to our success, right? Because it's like all of the dissatisfaction or frustration or exhaustion or like whatever you want to label it that it is that like we're all feeling like this, this internal like dialogue in, in battle that Bianca is speaking to of like,
00:48:44
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of reflection, essentially, of just the past decisions we've made and how we're evolving as humans, as professionals, as all of these things. I think all that does really, if we had to boil it down to its bare bones and examine it, is it speaks to our desire to
00:49:05
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want to be doing more and to want to be doing all of these things. And I think that's the point. You're not supposed to be wanting to do what you did for your capstone for the rest of your life, as if that's the only body of work that you can create from now on, as if everything has to go along with that and be an expansion of that work.
00:49:29
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Um, yeah, like these, these ideas that were handed that Audrey is speaking to like is, I don't know, the bit that I love that we're all challenging. Um, and I think we're, I think it's really beautiful. I don't know that we like all happen to be challenging it at the same time.
00:49:47
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that might bring us to this last kind of talking point that I wanna work through with you guys. I think it kind of encompasses, I don't know, maybe all of the points that we've been talking about today. And I wanna talk about the Kim Kardashian controversy that died out because she did post a picture of Pete Davidson on her grid. And it was very strategic in the way that this played out. But if you don't know, a few weeks back, Kim Kardashian,
00:50:13
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was doing a variety interview with her family on the upcoming Hulu series, The Kardashians. And she had this quote that was, you know, I don't know, maybe I won't speak to this, but I think I understand where different people are coming from on this side of the argument. And Sammy is laughing. But I think like, for the purposes of this discussion, it's an interesting point to kind of hone in on. But the quote from Kim said,
00:50:36
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quote, I have the best advice for women in business, get your fucking ass up and work. It seems like nobody wants to work these days. And then in the clip, you just according so true. And so I want to maybe kind of
00:50:52
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wrap up with some thoughts about maybe this quote kind of speaks to that culture that we keep kind of coming back to where you're on this path and you have to work hard and you know what, like if you don't work hard, you're just going to fail. And I also Emmanuel Acho, who's a P jam that we love here on APT, but he's coming out the new book and he was on CBS the other day talking about failure too. And he was like, you didn't fail if you fell like you, you just get back up and that's
00:51:22
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completely fine. So I think I'm kind of working through this idea that like, you're not a failed art historian, like you didn't fail college, you didn't fail your track, you're just at a turning point. And so I think I'd like to hear some of your thoughts. I know, Sammy, you probably have a lot to say about this too, about this kind of persistent idea about
00:51:44
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working hard and failure too and how we can kind of navigate getting out of that. And just, I know it might be a stereotypical example, but just like getting back up again and going on. Y'all know I love the Kardashians and this was one of those moments. I mean, they've done a lot of things as we know, and I am a loyal fan and friend and follower as we know, but this was one of those things she said it and I was like,
00:52:13
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I'll take into factor all of the things that I know that are in play, right? Like you're what, 41 at this point? Like I am not 41. So also like I, all of the famous things aside, like generationally there is some differences that like she has been alive during different parts of American history that I have not. So I'm like, I'm trying to give her every benefit of the doubt and it's really hard for me, but I'm still trying.
00:52:43
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So, let that be known to the people. Um, but yeah I mean I think it is interesting I think you know I think we have noticed a lot of like this mentality, like, not that anyone was unaware of
00:52:59
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generational differences on maybe like approach to professional careers or really anything but like the past three years as we know have made it undeniable. With all of this and when we're speaking kind of just to about I guess like work ethic and
00:53:22
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I think that the challenging it right is what you were speaking to and like that that is hard because we weren't taught that there is multiple ways to do something right it's just this efficiency mindset of like yeah I guess there are numerous ways but like this is the most
00:53:39
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efficient, like this is the easiest way is the fastest way. So like, this is the way you should do it, right? And I think that's how we're like presented with a lot of different things. Um, so of course, we get to this point in our lives, and all of us are like, Oh, there are all of these other options that I knew existed, but then maybe I didn't know like I could choose or do or before like maybe they didn't feel as accessible before or
00:54:06
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Even just thinking about, you know, like Kim being like, no one wants to work these days. Like, and like no one wants to work hard and like all that kind of stuff. Like hard work looks so different. Dependent upon like my like grind and my hard work right now, like being in full-time grad school with an internship and all that kind of stuff. Like working my ass off looks so different than you're working your ass off when you were trying to even find jobs and get interviews and all these things. And like same with Gianna.
00:54:35
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as you've been like accustoming to your new position. You know what I mean? And like working your ass off to like understand what your role is, how you're playing a part, like even the organization that you're working for, like how the system works. And like same with Audrey as Audrey's like have having like entered this new field and figuring out all these things. So I think it's like when something like that is set, right? Of like, nobody wants to like work hard and all these kinds of things. Just like.
00:55:00
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To me, what I hear, I'm just like, how sad is that that people really have this perception that there is this one, one definition of this thing and you either are or you aren't. How close-minded, how limited.
00:55:17
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I think it's an interesting hot take. I am obviously still going to watch. It's going to be like the boost of serotonin that I am so desperately wishing for. Like a month away. Not even that anymore. Yeah, going to watch. But it was a hot take when she said it. I was like, God damn it, Kim. Yeah. I mean, we're always going to get that with them. So I think that's just part of...
00:55:39
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living with people like that in our world. It's just going to be never ending. And I've been hearing stuff about, you know, there's a possibility she's talking about people in kind of the influencer Hollywood industry. You know, like maybe people have this perception that being an influencer is easier than it looks. Like all you have to do is kind of put yourself on TikTok or whatever. And it's as easy as pie, but you actually have to
00:56:09
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That is a line of work. And so, you know, I can understand if she's talking about people in her particular interest industry, but to your point, Sammy, like how limiting is that to in the whole diversity of kind of the entertainment and media fields? And not only that.
00:56:25
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I mean, we know Kim works hard. We know that she's a hard worker. She has a fuck ton of privileges, obviously. But she's diversifying her interests. She's becoming a lawyer. It reminds me of the, in that sense, I think what Kim K is saying.
00:56:47
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makes sense, right? Because content creating and all that kind of stuff, I don't do it. As we all know, I am always in hibernation mode on social media. I'm a loyal liker, but I'm not going to post. That's how I feel. But content creating is hard. It takes a long time of time and resources and energy and strategic planning and all these different things. So it's like people don't think things like that are hard.
00:57:16
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However, you know, that this is when, when I'm like, you know, Kimmy, love you girl. Don't think you are maybe thinking about, you know, the human population as a whole or even like any type of niche, anything like who knows. Or just anything outside of your, you know, billionaire bubble. Yes. Like, you know, Audrey and Gianna, do you have any other points you want to jump in here and make? Um, Sammy, I think you,
00:57:45
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hit on pretty much everything I would have said there. To me, it just also is like so hilarious that like, what's funny to me about the statement like that is that like, the best advice, okay, so the number one, if we were going to boil it all down,
00:58:03
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What we're boiling it down to is the working part like to me that and kind of like what we've been talking about this whole time to me everything everything in your life. If you're going to have success comes from how well you know yourself and what you are trying to get like what are you working for in the first place anyway.
00:58:22
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Like where are you trying to get to? So like, I don't know. I just like laugh at something like that a little bit because I'm like, it's just so ridiculous to me. Like you can't, you can't get up and work until you've done a lot of internal or introspection on yourself to see like where you want to get to in the first place anyway. So if I was going to boil down, you know, what the best advice for women in business would be, it would be to like get to know yourself as well as you can before you start doing whatever you're trying to do.
00:58:51
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That's my counter argument. Yeah. At Kim Kardashian. You know, I think speaking for myself as someone who's not a loyal stan of the Kardashians, I have just come to the conclusion that everything that they do is so calculative. And you can't possibly think that someone with that level of influence and also intellect
00:59:14
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is that dumb to say something like that. It was a choice and she knew exactly what she was saying. The Kardashians have not been as destructive to someone like myself who is like a middle-class white woman, but as far as like mental health and what they do.
00:59:30
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in the pop culture scene, it is really hard for me to consume. So I just particularly kind of stay away from it. But even with this conversation and anytime we talk about the Kardashians, just please take it with a grain of salt that that didn't have to be put into the world.
00:59:46
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And it was, it's calculative and we are here doing exactly what they wanted to do, which is to talk about them. So on that note, that's my two cents. And I think that we should take a little break. And when we come back, we are going to do pits and peaks.
01:00:34
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So, um, this little segment here to close the episode was inspired by our guest, Audrey, the superstar on social media who is doing highs and lows of the week. And it reminded me when I was, you know, drafting up the episode and
01:00:51
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think about the Kim Kardashian comment that in keeping up with the Kardashians on the show, you often see them doing pits and peaks whenever they are on their, you know, lavish vacations, and they all go around their table and talk about, you know, the pit and peak of the trip. So I thought, you know, in honor of that question and talking point we had and then thinking about
01:01:17
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Audrey's Instagram, I want to talk about some pits and peaks to close the episode, you can do maybe a pit and peak, high or low of the week, or maybe a pit and peak of this transitional time that we've been talking about, like what is
01:01:36
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what are the highs and lows that you've experienced about kind of leaving the arts or maybe leaving us the wrong word, but just like navigating that transition period that we're all going through. So Gianna, do you want to start? Yeah, I guess.
01:01:53
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Well, you know, I did an art thing this weekend, which was great. I moseyed my way into a gallery and which I had actually shown with this artist before. So that was just kind of like a happy accident, happy surprise to go into a gallery because, yeah, I think I have just been like distancing myself from those spaces. So that was good. I think as far as like pits go,
01:02:22
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And speaking of that isolation, I can think of several things that are happening that I have actively chosen to isolate myself from because mentally I, you know, and like we were just talking about like navigating like work and these other new roles. And I know that I need to focus on that right now because that's what I signed myself up for. But that doesn't mean that it's easy to like bear witness to these other super cool things that are happening. Like I've specifically been avoiding momentum this year. I've been
01:02:47
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specifically avoiding an amazing project that's in its second year of conception, which is the Sunny Days Mural Fest in Oklahoma City. Just so many amazing things that are happening that I just can't be privy to right now or see it because I don't want to be a bitter woman and I want to be the biggest cheerleader for these people, even though these people have no idea who I am and that's fine.
01:03:14
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I don't want to leave a sour taste in my mouth for my reason, for my mental health because I want to put out good energy in the world. But I feel like it's okay to say that it is also really hard when you see other people somehow being able to do the things that you want to do and it's okay because you're just not there and the average 20%
01:03:37
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for Jesus Christ, your old woman, is not going through the physical health conditions that I am going through, too. And just starting to get to a point where I am also finally able to address that with art, too. So I think PXBean, I went into an art gallery, but Pitt's still being... I am
01:03:58
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also isolating myself actively from those things too. So that's very open and honest picks and peaks from Gianna Martucci Fink. Yeah. I mean, I think Gianna though, thank you for sharing because again, it's something that I think a lot of other people are feeling as well. And it's hard to see other people
01:04:21
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doing the thing that you had originally for so long held this mindset in your mind. It's not because you can't do it. That's not the reason. But there are just these other things going on. And I think it's really great to be able to recognize that and talk about it and work through it, which is the point of all these conversations. So Audrey, do you want to go next, our highs and lows queen?
01:04:47
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I can go next. I would say obviously I'll start with pets so I end on a peak. I would say the low point is maybe a little bit like I don't have people. I certainly enjoy all of the people I work with right now. We get along great. It's a great environment. I'm really happy with the workplace that I'm at.
01:05:09
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But it's not quite the same in terms of like I had like best friends, you know, in my previous job or like people who I worked with that ended up kind of crossing over lines to like they're really good friends of mine now.
01:05:23
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Um, and just like, I don't know, we could just like talk about a lot of the same things. Sometimes it would be like, we took a break from work to have like a really deep conversation about life. Like in the middle of the work day, like that never happens, you know, now. So I think just kind of those, like having those like-minded people really near and dear is, um, I miss it like a little bit, but also just part of that's like a new, at any new job, it takes a while to build up relationships. So, you know, it might not be that way forever. That's at least just kind of how I am right now.
01:05:52
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And then peak of that, I have a lot more on that end. I'm not gonna lie. Number one is that I have only where I've been at my new job for almost five months and I have only worked in the evening like two or three times for like an hour wrapping up a presentation, you know, like, and I used to be, it was like on average two to three times a week, I would have like evening or weekend commitments. So that is one.
01:06:21
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Really big peak. I thought I had another one, but I'll just go with that. That's submission and final answer. We love it. We love it. Maybe I'll go next. Let's see. Pit, I feel like we all saw me in the pit. We heard on APT four weeks ago, Bianca living very much in the pit. And I think it was just,
01:06:51
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You know, I talked about how this transition was really hard and I was being really hard on myself. But I'm glad that we talked about it and I'm thankful for you guys for talking me through it over the course of the past few months and being here today.
01:07:08
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I don't start my new job until April 4th so I'm still like existing like on the trek up to the peak maybe like we're still on the hike a little bit here but I have been meeting with my co-workers already a little bit which has been really nice I'm kind of
01:07:27
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easing my way into the new team that I'll be on. And I just feel I think the peak thus far having not started this new phase yet is just still feeling really appreciated by a group of people that
01:07:44
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As I was going through the interview process, I was not feeling it. My background was appreciated whatsoever or that I was just as, and like, I need to stop doing that. Like my background is a part of me too. So I think that I was not feeling appreciated, but having gone into a few little work happy hours and meetings and getting, I don't know, acquainted with the new space that I'm going to be in.
01:08:10
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It is kind of that mindset of like you are you and you are valuable and you are going to bring so much to the team. And the fact that they have been multiple times verbally saying that to me, like these little affirmations about you have the package that we need that will help us succeed has been an incredible feeling so far. So yeah, Sammy, do you want to?
01:08:36
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wrap it up for us? Yeah, sure. So for my pit, mine would definitely be a culmination of what everyone has said so far, just a combination of all of it. I think definitely what Gianna was speaking to, the isolative factors at play of having this be such a big part of who you are, percentage-wise, but not necessarily
01:09:03
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being able to access it all the time in the way that you're wanting, whether that be due to external or internal things. So I think that's definitely hard sometimes.
01:09:16
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from my departure from the art world, if you will. I think it's been really sobering to fully recognize how hard on myself I am about a lot of the things in that category. Recognizing that, that sobering feeling of that is definitely a pit, but
01:09:41
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related to that, I think the peak is, I don't know, I've gotten a lot better at extending myself a lot of grace and just fluidity within all of the different things. So that's definitely a peak, I think as well. I put a lot more value in even things like this, really getting this time with y'all and all of that, because I know it's not something I get to access as much as I
01:10:09
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would like in my ideal version of my life. I love it. Thank you guys so much for being here. I always feel better after talking to you if that wasn't apparent. It's a truth and I'm very grateful for you guys in my life, but also having you on our show. I hope that all of the listeners really continue to resonate with this conversation. Thank you guys for talking about your experiences and
01:10:38
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being so vulnerable. So I hope that we get a lot more responses from you guys. Always feel free to reach out. We will link Sammy's Instagram and Audrey's Instagram for you guys. Always email us at artpoptalk at gmail.com. Follow us at artpoptalk. And with that, we'll talk to you on Tuesday. Bye, everyone. Bye, everyone.
01:11:03
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Art Pop Talk's executive producers are me, Bianca Martucci-Vinc. And me, Gianna Martucci-Vinc. Music and sounds are by Josh Turner and photography is by Adrian Turner. And our graphic designer is Sid Hammond.
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