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Season 7- Episode 8- We've Learned Nothing (Autumn Internationals Week 4)
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We are back again from yet another 1 week hiatus. On this episode with those American rugby knuckleheads we get into the take aways from this year's World Rugby awards. Where did they get it wrong and who possibly got robbed. Also, no Dupont is not the first to win for both XVs and VIIs, check your history. We then get into the action at the StoneX in the PWR, who is this Saracens team and what have they done with the real squad? Finally, we wrap international action on the weekend, the good (there was some), the bad (there was a lot) and the ugly (there was a lot of that too). This, our superlatives and so much more. Kick back, have something to drink with us and enjoy friends!
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Return and Life Updates
00:00:29
Jarrod Dyke
Hey everybody, welcome back. It is the Fantasy Rugby Yanks Podcast. My name is Jared Dyk.
00:00:33
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm Ben Glauser.
00:00:34
Jarrod Dyke
And we are back, we've returned. um Yeah, we had a week say this. I think we brought think we did mention at the beginning of this season, like be prepared for us to skip a lot of weeks because being being you know new still newish dads within with less than a one-year-old takes it out of you sometimes.
00:00:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:00:51
Jarrod Dyke
and Ding dong over here decided to go get himself a real job. So that, doesn' that doesn't help either.
00:00:57
Grumpy Old Prop
It really doesn't.
00:00:58
Jarrod Dyke
but
00:00:59
Grumpy Old Prop
It really does not. And they like need me. It's like I'm actually.
00:01:04
Jarrod Dyke
What a bunch of suckers.
00:01:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Important, so like when shit goes wrong and because, you know, the the shit goes shit's going wrong. um Yeah, I I have to work late.
00:01:11
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it does go wrong.
00:01:14
Grumpy Old Prop
That sucks.
00:01:15
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. So, so Sylvia, let's crack these.
00:01:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes.
00:01:22
Jarrod Dyke
Cause I'm calling this vacation, even though it's like the shittiest vacation ever, but whatever.
00:01:25
Grumpy Old Prop
I still have a day I still have to go in tomorrow and do shit.
00:01:28
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, you do. Oh, sucker.
00:01:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh yeah, I'm not done. Fuck. Hopefully only like a half day though.
00:01:38
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Make sure you find us on all your favorite podcast apps. Download rate review. You will not find us on.
00:01:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Even Spotify Barty, that's okay.
00:01:47
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, that's all right.
00:01:47
Grumpy Old Prop
We love you anyway.
00:01:51
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, we'll get to that in a minute. um
00:01:56
Jarrod Dyke
Make sure that you are giving our good friend Georgia buying him a coffee or beer, especially after his tireless work in the omniscience fantasy game that many of you probably did okay in, if not well, and hopefully none of you got a forfeit by following his advice, so that helps.
00:02:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm.
00:02:13
Jarrod Dyke
um So yeah, by that minute, by that minute, coffee totally deserves it.
00:02:13
Grumpy Old Prop
I actually did fairly well at that.
00:02:19
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm kind of shocked and scared.
00:02:23
Jarrod Dyke
I feel like we just let everyone down, if that happens.
00:02:27
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, I was what I think if I if I'm reading this right, I was like five hundred twenty seventh overall.
00:02:27
Jarrod Dyke
I really do.
00:02:33
Grumpy Old Prop
i I was third in our league in the Geeks League. I was what, twenty eight, nineteen that was top 20. I'll take that. I'll take all of these things.
00:02:45
Jarrod Dyke
we messed up somewhere in there. Just gonna say it.
00:02:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, you know, as as the geek himself meant, did mention, um I'm going to be living off of that Buddha hint. Super snub from from the first role of whatever second round.
00:02:57
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, yeah, yeah Second yeah week week week
00:03:01
Grumpy Old Prop
No. Yeah.
Political Frustrations
00:03:03
Jarrod Dyke
one quote unquote Because I think they looked listed the the first two games as round zero, which is just weird There is there is there is there is Yeah
00:03:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Week one. Yeah.
00:03:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I don't get it. And there's there's still another match to go to this weekend. What the fuck? But I'm looking forward to that one, too. That'll be fun.
00:03:22
Jarrod Dyke
um
00:03:25
Jarrod Dyke
Yes, next. There is no discrimination here on this podcast, nor should there be in sports or in life. um We haven't really reacted to what happened a couple of weeks ago, so here we go.
00:03:43
Jarrod Dyke
Hang on to your butts. If you're not listening to this, then keep going.
00:03:46
Grumpy Old Prop
you yeah so here Yeah, so for for those of of you who have been around, um you know you're aware of of how we celebrate Festivus.
00:03:57
Grumpy Old Prop
And um if you're new, get get ready, it's fun.
00:03:58
Jarrod Dyke
Uh huh.
00:04:02
Grumpy Old Prop
um ah Show up for that one.
00:04:03
Jarrod Dyke
Next month. Woo hoo.
00:04:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, that's coming up soon. um But I just i got so many bones to pick with people who are ultimately bullshit about what they say. And it's why you lose elections to people like Trump. I've been i've seen it too many times now, way too many times in my lifetime. um Basically, all but twice since I was a legal voter and even ah since before then, where it's just like
00:04:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Anyway, where I am right now is there's a lot of people out there who are saying, well, you know, maybe we, we, we spent too much, uh, we paid too much attention to the trans issue and maybe we, we, you know, um, we cater to, you know, we think about the, like, you know, um, different vulnerable minorities too much. And, and, and, um, you know, others were like, well, I can't wait to see Trump, you know, um,
00:04:57
Grumpy Old Prop
How is it deporting all, you know, all, all but all these people, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, all the faults going to serve them right and bubble. And it's like, you know, look what he's going to do in Gaza. You know, it's going to be even worse. It's like, well, first off, no, it's not. But second off, like if you're saying any of these things, you're bullshit. And unfortunately, like, because what you do, you're what you're really saying is how you actually feel, which is really how you vote.
00:05:21
Grumpy Old Prop
because I'm sorry, the people who are running against Trump are not really against much of the things he stands for. They just kind of say they are. There's no there's no back and actions that follow that up. I mean, you look at look at the state of the world in the last four years, or the state of the country anyway, police murders are up, homelessness is up. um you know that There's in even deeper shit overseas doing even worse stuff than when we started.
00:05:51
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:05:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Uh, what was it? Um, we've lost civil rights. The mo there were the the most civil rights ever in one administration in the US history was the Biden administration.
00:06:05
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm.
00:06:06
Grumpy Old Prop
We went backwards big time and there was zero, zero fight anywhere along the way. Trump fucking tried to overthrow the government, which is, I think still our most downloaded show of all time, which is hilarious.
00:06:17
Jarrod Dyke
Yep, probably is.
00:06:19
Grumpy Old Prop
um but We spent like way too much time talking about that um And yet now they're dropping um You know, they drop it all charges like they never really charged.
00:06:24
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, I think we spent a good 20 minutes talking about that for this for this particular segment.
00:06:35
Grumpy Old Prop
They never really did shit anyway, and it's like You know what? You're all fucking bullshit and that's why you lose and that's like this is this is the but you want to be in charge and Like you you, you really need to be in charge.
00:06:48
Grumpy Old Prop
So you're willing to, you know, take the money from the right people and then just represent them. And, you know, all the while claim, Oh, well, you know, um we're, we're doing the work. We want to do this. We want it. We don't want to do this. Well, you're still doing it.
00:06:59
Grumpy Old Prop
So if you don't want to do it, don't fucking do it. If you want something else, do it. That's that's the way it's got to be.
00:07:03
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm.
00:07:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Cause it's too much. You're there's way too many people who are absolutely willing to drop any pretense of morals. Um, just so they can say their team won. And it's like, you know what, I saw Republicans go down that route with Bush, like the same shit that a lot of these liberals are saying now are the exact same things that that um Republicans are saying under Bush. Well, this isn't really what I want. I want him to do something different. But I like what he wants. It's just the way he's going about it isn't worth it. It's like, you know, that's kind of the right there, that last bit, that last bit. That's what matters. What's he what's he actually doing? Like, what are the people that you vote for actually do?
00:07:40
Grumpy Old Prop
And if they don't do what you want them to do, if they do the opposite of what you want them to do, why do you vote for them? What does that say about you? And if you're willing, you know, there's a big thing in rugby about, the you know, the standard you walk past is the standard you set.
00:07:57
Grumpy Old Prop
And what, you know, you can talk about being, you know, all I'm for
00:07:57
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:08:03
Grumpy Old Prop
LGBTQ rights and equality and and for fair treatment by police and our criminal justice system and for you know, one standard of justice for no matter who is is the offender.
00:08:15
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm.
00:08:16
Grumpy Old Prop
um Okay, what do you vote against those things? Yes, you do. So shut the fuck up.
00:08:22
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:08:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Because you don't. Anyway there that's that's but that's what pisses me off It's like you want to be you want to form a coalition well guess what the coalition has to actually fucking do something good And this is why you lose.
00:08:32
Jarrod Dyke
Yes, it does.
00:08:34
Grumpy Old Prop
This is why you lose to that fucking jackass Who shouldn't be running anyway because you should be in fucking prison if you had any fucking balls in the beginning so Yeah, I like as much as we can say that you know that's why we use this
00:08:36
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Totally.
00:08:44
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:08:48
Jarrod Dyke
Nope.
00:08:52
Grumpy Old Prop
we We use this forum for that. And you know apologies for the people who don't you know skip past this, but it's important and it matters. cause it the real like This is real life. The lives are impacted by this.
00:09:03
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:09:04
Grumpy Old Prop
And just be like, well, I don't care, because i'm I live in a blue state. Well, fuck you then. you like I mean, we do.
00:09:08
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, that's one of the silliest things that you can say for sure.
00:09:09
Grumpy Old Prop
But at the same time, the thing about me is I care about people no matter who they are, but even if you know they live in a red state, for fuck's sake.
00:09:14
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm.
00:09:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Because you know what? there's not all like It's not all far-right people in in red states.
00:09:24
Jarrod Dyke
No, it
00:09:24
Grumpy Old Prop
And even far-right people. I want that, like, I still want to give them health care and affordable housing and fair wages. Even if they oppose it, even if they hate me with every fiber they're being, I still want to provide good things for them because they are human beings and deserve it.
00:09:40
Grumpy Old Prop
So. The same cannot be said for way too many of you motherfuckers out there that piss me off because you're the like, ultimately, you're the reason why these things are happening because you already have one party that's trying to do all this bad stuff.
00:09:50
Jarrod Dyke
who
00:09:55
Jarrod Dyke
And you just sit there and ignore it.
00:09:56
Grumpy Old Prop
And if the other party is either ineffective at stopping them or helping them do it without much fight, that's got to change. And even, yes, even if it means your precious favorite politicians
Rugby Content and Collaborations
00:10:07
Grumpy Old Prop
aren't the ones in charge, get over it. It doesn't need to be your people. I don't care. Like I fuck there. I've i've there's been once really would have been like, yeah, that's my guy and kind of get burned in the ass by it. But at the same time, at least he was saying the right things.
00:10:21
Jarrod Dyke
Happens.
00:10:21
Grumpy Old Prop
That's much better than, you know, people who don't say the right things and they're like, but they believe the right thing. I don't, how do I know? And look what they do. So sorry, needed that rant. I'll stop. Let's talk about rugby. It's much more pleasant.
00:10:36
Jarrod Dyke
ah Yeah. Make sure that you grab our Patreon. We are, I, I did put the, um, the finally got the, the first six winners and losers of the first six rounds up there. So you can go ahead and check that out out there.
00:10:49
Jarrod Dyke
Um, and then, excuse me. And then, um, obviously we'll start doing the sheet out sometime soon here. We have one week of prem and then we're into champions cup.
00:10:55
Grumpy Old Prop
who
00:10:58
Jarrod Dyke
So in that time.
00:10:59
Grumpy Old Prop
That's going to be my recovery time, especially cause we'll have, you know, yeah, I might even do some work on it this weekend.
00:11:01
Jarrod Dyke
say in that time, but that's when we'll get it out.
00:11:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Cause like you said, four days is going to be get baddie at some point and be like, all right, I want to do something productive.
00:11:09
Jarrod Dyke
Glorious.
00:11:15
Jarrod Dyke
It's glorious.
00:11:16
Grumpy Old Prop
It is nice. I can't wait.
00:11:17
Jarrod Dyke
Anywho, I added this to the document right after I sent it to you. So I do want to talk about the the World Drugview Awards.
00:11:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh no. Okay.
00:11:25
Jarrod Dyke
um
00:11:30
Jarrod Dyke
Players that one, no issue, no issue necessarily in terms of them. I think the one issue I have is how did that's about not win.
00:11:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, that's my thing. I i i respect Peter Sefti to it. I know he's very good.
00:11:44
Jarrod Dyke
Same. Very obvious.
00:11:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I don't know that. That's the best player on that team right now.
00:11:55
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, not sure. And he's, that's the best doing, excuse me, that's the best doing everything that Peter Steph is doing.
00:12:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:12:04
Jarrod Dyke
That's what's doing it from a locked position, which is annoyingly harder. And I can tell you that for ah someone that's played both in the second row and in the back row, it's harder to do it from the second row.
00:12:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:12:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. And that's why it's really cool when when props do cool things in in space, because it's like, like even an Alice Gensch, who's not the best Scrumager, like, when he does cool stuff, it's like, okay, because he's a good rugby, he's a good rugby player who just happens to play prop.
00:12:15
Jarrod Dyke
Really is.
00:12:27
Grumpy Old Prop
It's really hard to do that, though, to scrum to do all those things, like, and it gets progressively easier, the further back you go, to your point, like, but still, that's about doing what he does is, is ridiculous, because he's putting up like,
00:12:40
Grumpy Old Prop
flanker attacking numbers and lock defensive numbers. And, you know, he's he's like, honestly, remember how we used to talk about how like the Maro Tojo was like the best lock in the world.
00:12:52
Grumpy Old Prop
And at the time he he was at the best doing all those things now.
00:12:53
Jarrod Dyke
You was.
00:12:58
Grumpy Old Prop
And he's been like just um amazing in open play and in an attack like in a way to dimension Mario is never really shown.
00:13:02
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm Yeah
00:13:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Certainly not. um consistently Consistently and Peter's hefty toys good.
00:13:12
Jarrod Dyke
He's
00:13:13
Grumpy Old Prop
I feel like this is almost like a like a career um Recognition kind of thing cuz I don't I don't think ah yeah, that's true.
00:13:20
Jarrod Dyke
already got one though He wanted 20 you wanted 2019 So yeah, I know that's about to serve that whole hardly and I think they totally balled that
00:13:23
Grumpy Old Prop
So I don't get it Yeah, I don't get it Yeah
00:13:33
Jarrod Dyke
um I look and look and I look at that. well We'll get to the women in a second. I look at the men's team and Not overly convinced about ox. I know everyone loves him but as far ah maybe I just can't think of a better loose head honestly, maybe that's the only thing because really ah He didn't do anything special but maybe it was just nobody else did either and
00:13:49
Grumpy Old Prop
That's really it No, no, but he's like yeah, I don't know what what loose heads would would be up for that really this year Yeah
00:14:02
Jarrod Dyke
No, no, because the group didn't play well, he would have been maybe one of the ones that could possibly unseat him.
00:14:09
Grumpy Old Prop
And Angus Bell at some point may put his hand up for that. um Yeah, i think ah like he's sort I think he's shown it in the and the Autumn Nations.
00:14:14
Jarrod Dyke
He should, he's still one of the best in the world, in my opinion.
00:14:22
Grumpy Old Prop
um Obviously, that's too late for that for for this cycle, but um that's I'm sure he's opened some eyes there.
00:14:26
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm.
00:14:31
Jarrod Dyke
I don't doubt that. Yeah. We'll see.
00:14:34
Jarrod Dyke
Big, big tour coming up next year.
00:14:34
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't know how...
00:14:34
Grumpy Old Prop
that Yeah. And how the fuck is Damien Mackenzie at 10? That makes zero sense to me.
00:14:39
Jarrod Dyke
Beats the holy shit out of me. Pass.
00:14:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Did he win a ah ah he win any trophies this year?
00:14:45
Jarrod Dyke
Like.
00:14:51
Jarrod Dyke
Blah, slow. It's about it.
00:14:53
Grumpy Old Prop
That doesn't really count.
00:14:54
Jarrod Dyke
That doesn't that barely counts because Australia weren't weren't very good.
00:14:56
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, right. And and plus, you know, it's, yeah, exactly.
00:15:03
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. And even if we're basing on international play, like, all right, he beat an England team and an England team that's not going to go very far.
00:15:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:15:12
Jarrod Dyke
Let's put it that way. Um, and then, yeah, he, they lost to, they lost twice to South Africa and they lost to Argentina at home again.
00:15:19
Grumpy Old Prop
and
00:15:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I do not get it.
00:15:24
Jarrod Dyke
So I, and you know, they didn't, they didn't play i think it was I think the Ireland win in Dublin was more Ireland being rusty and not playing well than it was All Blacks doing anything amazing and certainly not anything that DMACC did other than kick, which off the tee, which isn't really enough for me to say yes.
00:15:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:15:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:15:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:15:45
Grumpy Old Prop
No. anyway Anyway, I did see some.
00:15:49
Jarrod Dyke
um but
00:15:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, sorry, I'll wait. I'll wait till. ah Oh, I saw a bunch of um people met saying, obviously, incorrectly that um ah DuPont being now the the sevens player of the year.
00:16:06
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm. No.
00:16:06
Grumpy Old Prop
um It's the first time a someone's won, you know 15s and for 15s and 7s and it's like, um, excuse me There's a lot of that going on and no Porsche Porsche Woodman did it Years ago, so What the fuck
00:16:19
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Yep.
00:16:25
Jarrod Dyke
yeah She's and she's absolutely amazing.
00:16:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Although Madison Levi, i'm I'm assuming she won sevens player of the year for her view on Spiff Cedric's try because she had the best seats in the house.
00:16:31
Jarrod Dyke
She did, she did.
00:16:40
Jarrod Dyke
She was fucking chasing that girl down, Jesus.
00:16:42
Grumpy Old Prop
She was.
00:16:43
Jarrod Dyke
I thought she was going to catch her.
00:16:45
Grumpy Old Prop
um but my My wife tells me that there were other matches that were actually played in women's sevens and other tournaments that were played besides that one.
00:16:45
Jarrod Dyke
No, I i mean, I.
00:16:50
Jarrod Dyke
ah Besides that one.
00:16:52
Grumpy Old Prop
I i find that notion to be Hard to imagine.
00:16:57
Jarrod Dyke
i I feel for her, she's not she's not got I think Australia won the seven series in the time she's come on to the walrus sevens.
00:17:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:17:07
Jarrod Dyke
I ah don't think what she hasn't I don't think they've won the World Cup and I don't think they've won any medals that I think this was her first, this was her first Olympics.
00:17:13
Grumpy Old Prop
No, but she's been amazing and.
00:17:16
Jarrod Dyke
So that I think that she is a machine.
00:17:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. And I obviously I'm teasing it because she she's just ridiculous and. She's not like twenty four.
00:17:23
Jarrod Dyke
She has everything. She's got the wheel. She has the, she has, she's, I think she's the younger one, honestly.
00:17:25
Grumpy Old Prop
is she the younger the older one? fuck, the younger one's like 21, it's not fair they're gonna be around forever and kicking ass yeah
00:17:33
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, whatever it is. It's not, it's not awesome. Yeah, no, and yeah, she's got everything. She's got the whole total package without a doubt, so good on her. Sevens team of the year, Alona and k Christy Gershey, our girls from New England.
00:17:52
Jarrod Dyke
Fuck yes. ah Those that haven't heard, Christy's from Massachusetts, where Ben and I both lives, and this is really awesome for her, and we can, you know, there's a lot to,
00:17:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:18:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, and she's on.
00:18:04
Jarrod Dyke
think about like her trajectory since she's, since she started playing rugby, which was after college, by the way, like wild to think about and good.
00:18:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:18:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. I mean, I I understand that pathway myself um and say, you know, like, um but at the same time, like, yeah, if you're good, if you you can jump right in and be that player, go for it.
00:18:27
Jarrod Dyke
Absolutely fantastic for her.
00:18:28
Grumpy Old Prop
It's crazy.
00:18:29
Jarrod Dyke
I, I'm so, I'm so happy for her and obviously Alona too, but alone tonight.
00:18:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:18:34
Jarrod Dyke
um
00:18:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, exactly. Vote alone on Marr. She's on the finals for her dancing with the stars um over that the gymnast who did the pommel horse brine, whatever.
00:18:37
Jarrod Dyke
um Yep. um
00:18:44
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, that guy.
00:18:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Get with the glasses.
00:18:46
Grumpy Old Prop
And some.
00:18:47
Jarrod Dyke
Someone said they were Team Joey. I had to look up who Joey was.
00:18:51
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't know.
00:18:51
Jarrod Dyke
He's a former Bachelor contestant, I think.
00:18:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, yeah, the bachelor. and He's such a douche. who Oh.
00:18:58
Jarrod Dyke
Why is Bachelor more important than women's rugby players? Let me explain that one to me.
00:19:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I don't know.
00:19:04
Jarrod Dyke
Anyway, um yeah, so great. And then um Hope Rogers continues to do what she does and and just makes life hard on everyone. And yeah, i we you can rewind the tape on how unhappy we Ben and I were with Hope Rogers at one point and she's certainly
00:19:23
Grumpy Old Prop
No, I never, never, not once.
00:19:25
Jarrod Dyke
She certainly has spun that around ands and she's done everything basically Ben and I were looking at and we're like, yeah, this needs to be fixed and this needs to be fixed.
00:19:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:19:33
Jarrod Dyke
She's been absolutely fantastic for clubbing country. So um yeah, there's a couple of her teammates that could probably use the same fix, but I'm glad she i'm glad we at least have her for this coming World Cup.
00:19:45
Grumpy Old Prop
But it the the amazing thing is is that um we are also used to star US players who
00:19:57
Grumpy Old Prop
you know, are our pushed to the forefront like hope was when she was young and and not quite ready. And they're just they're so busy sorting themselves out that they never work to improve themselves. They're just like, okay, well, you know, if everybody's telling me I'm King shit now or Queen shit in this case, like, cool, I'm good.
00:20:15
Grumpy Old Prop
um It And I feel like a lot of us players have been like that in the past. I feel like we're turning that corner now where there's actually, you know, especially on the women's side, not so much the men's because they're, you know, they're kind of, and it's hard to challenge yourself in MLR past a certain point.
00:20:34
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:20:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, but the women are overplaying in the, in the PWR and other leagues and really working on themselves and and hitting a different, um,
00:20:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Standard and and hopes raising that. So hopefully that continues. Hopefully that, you know, builds and becomes more of a thing. Even in the women's game, it was a problem, but therere they're, they're consistently improving.
00:20:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Like even, you know, Hershey and Mar have been like, wow, there's potential there. And they've turned that into like, no, they're some of the best in the world. Um, and so has hope.
00:21:01
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:21:02
Grumpy Old Prop
So like, let's keep that going.
00:21:04
Jarrod Dyke
please. Especially with this World Cup coming up here.
00:21:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:21:08
Jarrod Dyke
Who wants who wants to sign a loan of honor by the ah by the way, she is clearly very interested in getting over to the PWR. It sounds like the only thing that's stopping is visa issues, which could suck.
00:21:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. Oh. Yeah. We'll see. i've I'm sure she'll. I'm sure that a guy can get cleared up.
00:21:26
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I'm, I bet it could too. I bet it could too. So Yep. Um, really, you know, overall, um I think most things were as they should be, but I think we, I think we pointed out painfully obvious which ones we disagree with.
00:21:43
Grumpy Old Prop
And obviously we 100% agree with Ellie killed, killed on, well, I should, I'm sorry. I'm speaking for Jack here. I 100% fully agree with Ellie killed on as, as well.
00:21:50
Jarrod Dyke
Same.
00:21:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Women's 15th player of the year. Cause I mean, she was just fantastic. She's been fantastic for a a while.
00:21:56
Jarrod Dyke
She was lights out every time she touched the ball.
00:21:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:21:59
Jarrod Dyke
It was just like, this could be fun. Every time she touched the ball, I was like, watch the sparks because here they come.
00:22:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:22:07
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it was ridiculous.
00:22:10
Jarrod Dyke
um Speaking of Ellie's team, um Saracen's and women's PW, Saracen's and Quinn's women in PWR, the duel.
00:22:23
Jarrod Dyke
I mean, you by the way, before we get too deep into it, thank you very much to Matt Bartlett who allowed Ben and I to crash the the Fez cast and this week and keep your eyes yeah eyes and ears peeled for that one.
00:22:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes. Ah. Mm-hmm.
00:22:38
Jarrod Dyke
um I don't know if we brought it up or brought it down, but we brought it.
00:22:43
Grumpy Old Prop
We brought it. it did Certainly, ah from you as Matt said, like a different perspective than they're used to, because we're coming in from way outsiders. um But hopefully, hopefully that you know you know it for those of us, like once again, um yes, we're Saracens fans deal with it.
00:22:53
Jarrod Dyke
Yep, definitely.
00:23:03
Grumpy Old Prop
We're not we're not too Homerish.
00:23:03
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:23:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Certainly not when we mean it.
00:23:09
Jarrod Dyke
Only when it comes to, only when it comes to the exit, fuck those guys.
00:23:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Sometimes, sometimes Homerish. um Oh, yeah. Fuck.
00:23:15
Jarrod Dyke
Um, but anyway, so yeah, to the, to the stone X, like we talked about yesterday with, with Marty, just like,
00:23:22
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:23:25
Jarrod Dyke
What team showed up in the Saracens uniforms? I have no idea because this did not look like what I was thinking was going to happen.
00:23:34
Grumpy Old Prop
no um And yeah, there. These are two losses I think that, um well, I think the they're probably gonna regret this one more than than the the one loss to the the chefs.
00:23:48
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:23:51
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
00:23:51
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:23:55
Grumpy Old Prop
But yeah, you you should have had enough time, you know, a little bit of time to recuperate a little bit and go play. And I don't know. i
00:24:07
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, the game, the problem is you look at the score and that kind of tells you kind of a little bit of the story there, like 15 points to 14.
00:24:16
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm. They were, yeah, it was.
00:24:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Bucket of meh. I mean, I'm sorry, this, the Saracens team should be scoring 20 every match. I don't care who the defense is. If they're, they're actually, you know, playing the way they're capable of. So.
00:24:28
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm. And I mean, twins have given a lot of problems problems to a lot of teams so far.
00:24:33
Jarrod Dyke
That's the other game extra problem they gave they've every team that they played, they've made life hard on teams, but there were. ah Defense just too many just you know fall too much falling off tackles that I think if we get those extra stats Beth Wilcox missed Defenders beaten is gonna be a silly number Not that anybody picked her but it's gonna be a silly number.
00:24:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:24:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:24:58
Jarrod Dyke
I'll so if we if and when we get him I'll see I'll look it up and It'll probably be pretty bad for the sake of the Saracens um And then when we when we had the ball and attack it's like we get to the 22 and just go to pieces
00:25:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. It's um, But Wooster, Wooster, I can't remember what we, we had a term.
00:25:19
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, a little bit.
00:25:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, I had a term for it. I can't remember what it is, but they've gone like, they went, they, yeah, they went Woostering this weekend and you're not going to win many matches Woostering.
00:25:23
Jarrod Dyke
Woostering.
00:25:31
Jarrod Dyke
No, no. And, you know, regardless of whether it or not Poppy scored or not, I, it doesn't matter. They, they didn't play well enough to earn this, you know, they gotta, they got a bonus point out of it.
00:25:43
Jarrod Dyke
That's probably the most they earned.
00:25:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, and some points look sometimes you get wins you you don't deserve and that's great But but yeah, this was not so that that would have been the case and instead they they got the loss they deserved Just short one point short
00:25:44
Jarrod Dyke
Really? I don't.
00:25:56
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:26:00
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. And that's where it was. I do think there the replacement tight had. Lascha was annoying. I was like, Oh, just and seemingly impossible to tackle when when she got her hands on the ball.
00:26:14
Jarrod Dyke
Like this is really not fun.
00:26:16
Grumpy Old Prop
She's not small.
00:26:18
Jarrod Dyke
No, no, no moves quite well for a not small person to know
00:26:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, that's not fair. No fair.
00:26:24
Jarrod Dyke
No, no. Agreed. No, no, no. But
Game Previews and Analysis
00:26:29
Jarrod Dyke
hopefully, yeah, they got who they have this weekend. They have like, they have Loughborough.
00:26:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:26:35
Jarrod Dyke
They're back at home too. So I'm sure Loughborough is going to feel the pain, I think.
00:26:40
Grumpy Old Prop
I would hope so.
00:26:41
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. If they do things right, they should come out and with, you know, fire under their backsides and and do it.
00:26:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, ah okay time out time out from the game You know what the game of the week is this week the quote game of the week What the fuck That's gonna be terrible why why why you're using the bottom of the table teams neither of them has a win they're both well sale or
00:26:51
Jarrod Dyke
What happened?
00:26:57
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, sale Lester. That's gonna be a shit show.
00:27:09
Jarrod Dyke
I think Lester's gonna smack them, honestly.
00:27:12
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:27:14
Jarrod Dyke
Lester have played well and in many matches, so sale have really not.
00:27:17
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, they're still, they're both, they're both over 150 points in the negative. I not much.
00:27:23
Jarrod Dyke
Sale must be way beyond that.
00:27:27
Grumpy Old Prop
No, they're actually, I think they're actually closer because Lester or 170 points in the negative and sailor 158.
00:27:28
Jarrod Dyke
No. Huh. Yeah. Okay.
00:27:39
Grumpy Old Prop
This is not going to be a good, match like that that's ultimately what this is not going to be a very good match.
00:27:43
Jarrod Dyke
No, write your eyes friends.
00:27:44
Grumpy Old Prop
It's going to be ugly.
00:27:46
Jarrod Dyke
We know how much more time we're going to spend on this game next week.
00:27:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:27:49
Grumpy Old Prop
right
00:27:51
Jarrod Dyke
Any of you, let's jump over to What wasn't, ah um I looked at the fixture list for this coming weekend, for this past weekend, last weekend, I was like, this is not a weekend I can get really excited about when it comes to the internationals with the exception of a couple.
00:28:09
Jarrod Dyke
One was the one we're about to talk about and the other was um Scotland, ah Australia.
00:28:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Mhm.
00:28:15
Jarrod Dyke
yeah And that was it. um
00:28:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, the rest were kind of like, we know what's happening here.
00:28:22
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:28:24
Grumpy Old Prop
And and unfortunately that happened. there wasn't there weren't There weren't many surprises this weekend.
00:28:28
Jarrod Dyke
No, no, they were not.
00:28:34
Jarrod Dyke
It was, so yeah, this Friday night at Stade de France, Artie is France, I got about halfway through it and I had to go occupy myself with my child, but like, I didn't, I was like, oh, I look back, I was like, I didn't miss much.
00:28:45
Grumpy Old Prop
i Same.
00:28:51
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:28:51
Jarrod Dyke
It's the same, and we we saw this as a theme throughout this weekend, teams that were underdogs that decide kicking for goal was the way to win.
00:29:00
Grumpy Old Prop
What the fuck? How'd that work out for him?
00:29:01
Jarrod Dyke
And it's like, uh, I, I'm going to say no.
00:29:05
Jarrod Dyke
And well, you know, teams, the one time they tried it, the one time they tried it.
00:29:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Nah. Yeah.
00:29:11
Jarrod Dyke
Great. Like if you're not used to this whole thing, get fucking used to it because that's how it's going to happen.
00:29:12
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:29:17
Grumpy Old Prop
so So here's the thing, but let's let's talk about this exchange a minute. if If we can just go through this this short timeline of a period here, and we'll stay within the first 32 minutes where I think that that was the game.
00:29:31
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:29:31
Grumpy Old Prop
So we have, Flamant scoring eight minutes in, right? Fun try, good stuff.
00:29:41
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Held one, ah um held one guy off and put the, ah put the ball down with the other, with the other hands.
00:29:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, pretty, pretty fucking awesome. ah Um, and then you have a penalty kick at 14 minutes from, uh, from the Argos Ramos counters in the 15th minute with a penalty kick.
00:29:57
Jarrod Dyke
Whoo.
00:30:02
Jarrod Dyke
from like way out to let's let's be clear like I don't know where the RGs front one was like Ramos is hitting these things from halfway by the way like don't don't think that oh yeah they're like you know at the no they're getting like a penalty on the halfway line at a scrum and saying we're going for goal
00:30:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:30:08
Grumpy Old Prop
ah Yeah. Right.
00:30:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, but the point Yeah point being though, it's like well I think this game might even been a line-out penalty because you got to figure they kicked it it went out I know it was even shorter than that. It must have been like something on the the kick I can't remember what it was but a minute later for the penalty kick, you know 14 minutes than 15 minutes It was something right off the ah restart um The next 19 minute penalty kick yeah for the Puma's 22nd minute penalty kick for Ramos
00:30:33
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm. Clearly.
00:30:46
Grumpy Old Prop
25th minute penalty kick from us from the Pumas 32nd minute Villara scores and that's fucking game because now they've you have two two tries they're even up in penalties it's you know 14 points to the to the better and Pumas haven't even like threatened the goal line because all they've done is every time they get close.
00:31:00
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:31:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, it's just get four points But you did you built a scoreboard great.
00:31:10
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm.
00:31:12
Grumpy Old Prop
You got nine points in the first half and You gave up significantly more than that. You know, 30 to nine and a half.
00:31:17
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, 30, 30 to nine a half doesn't really scream we're in this.
00:31:18
Grumpy Old Prop
What?
00:31:22
Grumpy Old Prop
No. No. Yeah. Cause then they they did get a kick at the, you know, they kind right at the clock on red to to make it 30, but it's like.
00:31:24
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:31:33
Jarrod Dyke
It was 27 to nine. Oh, oh, oh.
00:31:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, exactly. Ooh. Really, really glad you had those those penalty kicks. Otherwise it could have been way out of hand. Come on, man. Like that. Play to win the game.
00:31:45
Jarrod Dyke
And we talked, and we've we've talked about like, and and there's been good examples of it. Like you get, even if you're not getting the result you want out of going for the corner in terms of dotting down, you can still put a lot of pressure on teams and make them exit.
00:31:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:32:04
Jarrod Dyke
Well, France have some guys that can do that. Obviously, um, with the likes of Ramos and DuPont that does help, but still like,
00:32:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Yup.
00:32:10
Grumpy Old Prop
But I'm sorry, you've got runners. like you're like You know that delgis is is grow c sinti ah Malia like these guys can run like you've got threatened you got like even if you get out of the pack like if you try to mall Yeah, fucking me off who's huge and cost is like another lock and Buddha has no no joke either like and flamont, you know former fly-off by the way um
00:32:28
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, good luck getting by
00:32:37
Grumpy Old Prop
But like sizable human being, and that's before you get to the front row, like, yes, it's going to be hard to maul it in. Okay. Well, that's why you've paid those during the play. Um, all those, you know, fast skinny guys out there, like let them run. Cause, you know, Billy be area, you know, Billy area and Barry, they're not, they're not the biggest.
00:32:58
Jarrod Dyke
They run like the wind though.
00:33:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. But like, if you're running at them, I mean, it's not like you're, you know, obviously you want to avoid Fiku and Mofana because those guys, you do not want to run into, um, but you have the guys out wide.
00:33:07
Jarrod Dyke
No, they will smash you backwards.
00:33:09
Grumpy Old Prop
You, I think, you know, from a, um, you know, well, with, with ball in hand, i so Argentina, fuck, I keep saying Australia are going to, um, Argentina actually have the advantage and attack versus defense there.
00:33:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Like use it at some point and they just never did.
00:33:28
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, agreed.
00:33:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Like bring everybody in with a set piece and then run that they're like run your fast guys that they're they're tiny guys I know that they're tiny guys are also fast, but fuck run them over. You got the size to your fast guys are actually pretty big Yeah, so Yeah Anyway before we get off of this game though um that I did you see the BLE beer a try I
00:33:39
Jarrod Dyke
Yes, so hey some of those fast guys actually are pretty sizable. Although, yeah, he's known to pack a punch every once in a while. Mm-hmm, yep.
00:33:57
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Wheels.
00:33:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Like just add another, like add another gear that.
00:34:00
Jarrod Dyke
Wheels.
00:34:04
Jarrod Dyke
You can see it it's just like, as soon as he like started running, I was like, he's scoring.
00:34:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:34:09
Jarrod Dyke
There's no question. about He was way behind too.
00:34:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Yup.
00:34:11
Jarrod Dyke
And Catherine's like, Catherine's watched it with me. And she's like, No, he's not going to get that Mike.
00:34:17
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah Like, yeah.
00:34:18
Jarrod Dyke
Yes, he is.
00:34:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:34:19
Jarrod Dyke
Watch here. I'm actually watching it right now.
00:34:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:34:24
Jarrod Dyke
ah Um, yeah. And then yeah he also obviously bought the one from our boy Gonzo just kind of had a momentary brainlapse on that one where he knocked the ball away.
00:34:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:34:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:34:35
Jarrod Dyke
So yeah, he's, yeah, he's another world. That's for sure.
00:34:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:34:40
Jarrod Dyke
So good luck dealing with that. Um, Won't spend long on Island Fiji. There were some good things that were happening here.
00:34:50
Grumpy Old Prop
h
00:34:51
Jarrod Dyke
Um, kind of, kind of mostly for Island.
00:34:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, unfortunately.
00:34:56
Jarrod Dyke
Plus we had, plus we had Holly refereeing, which was nice.
00:34:59
Grumpy Old Prop
I thought she did a great job too.
00:35:00
Jarrod Dyke
I had to.
00:35:00
Grumpy Old Prop
We'll talk about that later.
00:35:01
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Um, yeah what we thought it would be.
00:35:04
Grumpy Old Prop
i have Most of what I had to say about this is in the the later segments anyway. So I'm just gonna, yeah, overall, this is kind of what kind of what we expected.
00:35:15
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, and I'm. I think all things said and done. St. Patrick's is probably going to be the best flight out that I don't have by the time we get to 27.
00:35:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes. And he looked like, I don't know how to describe it better. Um, I'm just a simple prop who's had some alcohol.
00:35:42
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm.
00:35:43
Grumpy Old Prop
And, but he looked like that. That was like, he looked like the 10, he looked like the Ireland 10. There's some guys who kind of wear the Jersey they're wearing and it's like, okay, you know, yeah, okay.
00:35:53
Grumpy Old Prop
You can occupy that for now. Um, like is it Chukwu? Um, if I got that right.
00:36:00
Jarrod Dyke
Good for it. Yeah, you did good.
00:36:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Um,
00:36:00
Jarrod Dyke
Good for him for getting out there.
00:36:02
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah from getting out there but I mean he's not right no they can't and and he he played all right but it wasn't it wasn't like he was the sick he's not the six yet um Pendergrass for some Pendergrass for some reason it looked like wow no he's like
00:36:04
Jarrod Dyke
I mean, listen, they gotta, they gotta to get some new players in there. We can't, they can't live on Omani forever. Like we were talking about.
00:36:14
Jarrod Dyke
No, and we and we, we, we.
00:36:20
Grumpy Old Prop
That's his Jersey. And yeah, like, so I guess to where I have it now is until he's like ready, ready, he's got to be, he's one of the tens either in the starter starting team, or he's the, he comes in.
00:36:21
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:36:31
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:36:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, and then the other two for Ollie Crowley, like they are either the starter or the reserve, but it's only one of them.
00:36:39
Jarrod Dyke
I think you can use Frawley as kind of an ace in the hole because he can play fullback.
00:36:42
Grumpy Old Prop
You can too. Yeah.
00:36:43
Jarrod Dyke
And so that helps. And obviously that horse leg ah has is very useful.
00:36:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. I mean, he, keep he played well in the, what he played in the center is this, this, this match, I think.
00:36:50
Jarrod Dyke
Yes, he did.
00:36:51
Grumpy Old Prop
So, and he, I thought he did a pretty good job there. So like, yeah, you've got other options for them too. So it's like, that's, that's helpful. Um, but Brenda grass, I think, um, yeah, I really liked what I saw there.
00:36:57
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:37:02
Jarrod Dyke
He had a, his passing, he had a very fin-esque way about him.
00:37:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:37:07
Jarrod Dyke
Like didn't look like he put a lot of effort into it and it just flew. And all of a sudden it's, you know, it's from midfield to near the touch lines.
00:37:14
Jarrod Dyke
Like Jesus, this kid.
00:37:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, right where and and right where it needed to be too.
00:37:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Like it wasn't just a wild pass to nothing. It was a no, I'm putting this right where I want it to go.
00:37:22
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. And I think we saw a lot of what needs to happen for Ireland's sake. They're going to have to find their apparent for type for a long. It's not Finley Beelan.
00:37:33
Jarrod Dyke
Um, so they gave, yeah, we'll get, we'll give, you know, they'll give Clarkson a big look and see what's going on with that.
00:37:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Although he played pretty well. We'll talk again. Talk about
00:37:41
Jarrod Dyke
They need another hooker. That's not Dan Danchian because he's not going to be healthy all the time. all the time Like he isn't now. Um, Gus McCarthy looked pretty good.
00:37:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, look at Gus.
00:37:50
Jarrod Dyke
So good on him. Um, yeah, there there's guys that are getting a little long in the tooth that shouldn't be around like,
00:37:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:37:59
Jarrod Dyke
and James Ryan shouldn't be around anymore. Like get rid of his ass.
00:38:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:38:01
Jarrod Dyke
Like it's on him packing. Um, we talked about Amani, like he's got to go, you know, Connor Murray can just leave now, please. Yeah.
00:38:11
Jarrod Dyke
I think the fact that I think the happy accident for them was that Craig Casey got to play that whole game and that only helps him.
00:38:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:38:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. It does.
00:38:21
Jarrod Dyke
So, I mean, Munster don't start Murray that often anymore.
00:38:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Even though, so, right.
00:38:24
Jarrod Dyke
And that's, they're on the same team. So.
00:38:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Craig though, me, me, me talk just you and me.
00:38:33
Grumpy Old Prop
When you see the large prop coming at you, it's it's okay to get out of the way.
00:38:41
Jarrod Dyke
Couple of nines have gotten melted, but guys, this combinations.
00:38:44
Grumpy Old Prop
He got he got ragdolled by I think both Maui and Taghi at different parts in different different respect, like different circumstances.
00:38:55
Grumpy Old Prop
But damn, he got tossed
Team Performance Discussions
00:38:58
Grumpy Old Prop
around by the props, which is unfortunate.
00:39:01
Jarrod Dyke
Yup.
00:39:02
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, it's fun as hell. And I was enjoying it on the on the props perspective. I'm just saying, you know, at this point now that, you know, the blood's calmed down a little bit.
00:39:05
Jarrod Dyke
Yup.
00:39:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Craig, just make some make some business decisions here.
00:39:14
Jarrod Dyke
ohsh um
00:39:19
Jarrod Dyke
I don't know what to talk to say about this next one, honestly.
00:39:21
Grumpy Old Prop
I, I, you know what, I'm going to start at the end. And what did you I i asked you, but I don't think you you you might have turned it off if you heard what ah I guess I didn't ask you.
00:39:32
Grumpy Old Prop
I said I liked it. Do you hear what? See, he said post match.
00:39:34
Jarrod Dyke
Nope. No, I didn't get a chance to.
00:39:37
Grumpy Old Prop
So he was asking, he was asked about whales and about how how they're doing. um Where they are and what advice he could get, like, you know, anything like that, like what do you have to say for them?
00:39:49
Grumpy Old Prop
and He's like, they remind me so much of us right before we broke through. And he's like, we needed to learn how to do that. Like, we just need to learn each other and and play rugby, um you know, how we can best fit into that.
00:40:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Because like, and he's right, there's no, there's no senior leadership on this team right now. And certainly not this team.
00:40:10
Jarrod Dyke
There's not much now.
00:40:12
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, what will Rowlands is like the the like, one really old guy with experience.
00:40:15
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:40:18
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's like, They mentioned in the broadcast that it's like, they they need to learn to win and it's it's not that, it's that they need to learn because how to win, they know how to win.
00:40:32
Grumpy Old Prop
You know how to win a rugby match. This is what you need to do, how you need to play a rugby match, both as individual players and with each other, because there's no glue anymore.
00:40:43
Grumpy Old Prop
There's nobody there to be like, okay, you do this, you do this, this is how we're going to get this done. And, you know, sometimes it's, you know, with a,
00:40:47
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:40:51
Grumpy Old Prop
a young, talented team, that's all it takes to be like, we're doing like, you know, yeah, you got to keep on them a little bit, but it's, you know, given give them, give them a plan every so often. And that'll every so often it'll work.
00:41:02
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:41:03
Grumpy Old Prop
And right now they don't have anybody with that plan yet.
00:41:06
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:41:07
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:41:07
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's going to take some time for them to sort it out themselves.
00:41:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Cause I don't care. you This is, as they said during the ruckus, this isn't a Gatlin issue. but you is he cho either To me, I think he's choosing some of the best players he can.
00:41:20
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't see anybody, like, like I don't have issues with with these players the way I do with both those players.
00:41:27
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:41:28
Grumpy Old Prop
There's only so much you can do.
00:41:28
Jarrod Dyke
He's, he's picking what he can, and he's using what he has.
00:41:29
Grumpy Old Prop
They're not ready yet. Yeah. Right.
00:41:33
Jarrod Dyke
The the issue for, well, Shrugby wholeheartedly will eyes way further up the chain.
00:41:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:41:40
Jarrod Dyke
And there's a lot of reasons for that. And if you've listened to us before, you can kind of guess at some of them and so just, yeah.
00:41:48
Grumpy Old Prop
And and that kind of goes to the point that um you know that we we have the problem with England right now is okay Yeah, they've got some senior leadership and all that and that's great. But it's like you rely on these people and these people alone and Suddenly things go pear-shaped there.
00:42:03
Grumpy Old Prop
They retire because they get old because Life happens, you know, this isn't you know, Josh Naveed he's not walking through that door You know Shit who else am I missing from that back row?
00:42:03
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Nope.
00:42:14
Jarrod Dyke
Nope.
00:42:15
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:42:16
Jarrod Dyke
Warps.
00:42:17
Grumpy Old Prop
warurton Warburton, Falatow, Toby, he's not coming through that door. You've you've got both of them, who actually I thought played really well. um Jack Morgan, who can play well, and Tayton Plumtree, who's, you know, actually, i that's not their, worst that's certainly not their the worst they've put out this and automation series.
00:42:34
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, stop pretending here. I'm gonna write you back row, please.
00:42:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, right. um So, yeah, you got some, and and Rio Dyer, as we saw, um we can play a little bit, in llewelllyyn and Llewelyn,
00:42:38
Jarrod Dyke
God damn, he's shit.
00:42:44
Jarrod Dyke
What the fuck was he with? Like, tell me he was hurt this whole automations and that's why he didn't play.
00:42:49
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't know what he is.
00:42:50
Jarrod Dyke
Due to electric, like he, I hope he i hope he makes the line store, honestly. He's one of the few bright spots in Wales.
00:42:55
Grumpy Old Prop
I think yeah, yeah, I think he's going to be one of the spots, for one of the the Welsh.
00:42:59
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, there won't be many, but he'll be one of them.
00:43:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. So there's there's a lot of young up and coming players, and this is like the best team in the world who, as you're seeing, are letting new players themselves like Hanukkah coming in like everybody's excited about that for good reason.
00:43:14
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Good for him. Yep.
00:43:17
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:43:17
Jarrod Dyke
He's a good player.
00:43:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. I also liked their monster and that's about the combination they paid how, how that line monster ran filthy.
00:43:24
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yep.
00:43:27
Grumpy Old Prop
That's why I like it a lot. Cause it's like, that's yeah.
00:43:28
Jarrod Dyke
Simple, but lead it, but read it, you know, see it, run it and execute.
00:43:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, and yeah, that's a Beth was, was torturing them like again.
00:43:33
Jarrod Dyke
it
00:43:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. I liked, I liked this lineup and I liked the way they played. Um, so good on South Africa for doing, for doing the job.
00:43:41
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yep. um
00:43:48
Jarrod Dyke
Let's go. So, five minutes or less on Italy in in New Zealand.
00:43:51
Grumpy Old Prop
I.
00:43:53
Jarrod Dyke
We don't need to spend too much time on it. Italy put themselves in good places to do things.
00:43:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:43:58
Jarrod Dyke
They don't have the ability to to complete those things that they need to do yet, though.
00:44:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Which is sad because they got the guys, guys, you know, Negri still putting everything on the line for this team. um Vincent's learning and I don don't know about that, but they got injuries.
00:44:14
Jarrod Dyke
barf Barf.
00:44:16
Grumpy Old Prop
So what are you going to do there?
00:44:17
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, they do. They do.
00:44:18
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:44:18
Jarrod Dyke
They gotta do what you gotta do.
00:44:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Menoncello and Ioannoni put in a shift.
00:44:22
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:44:23
Grumpy Old Prop
I think, you know, yeah it's tough. Your play to get such a ah good opposition. um That's it. That's tough.
00:44:33
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, again, similar thing on the other side. Wallace the TT. Look at how much like other some of the experienced players take up a little bit of space and an attention like um the number eight who's who's okay.
00:44:48
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:44:49
Jarrod Dyke
Former world player of the year now.
00:44:51
Grumpy Old Prop
right um And yet, like, city when when you notice him he's he's he when he gets his opportunities takes full advantage and and does the right thing once he's like he knows when to take his chances he knows when his chances over and when to like, take a tackle recycle or or offload or or do any of the things that he needs to do.
00:45:11
Grumpy Old Prop
um those little things come from that senior leadership that again going back to the whales don't have. So even if they had a player that was as good as CTT, they're not giving them the guidance and the on-field leadership that CTT is getting.
00:45:19
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:45:28
Grumpy Old Prop
You know, I think that's, you know, cause obviously I've seen city to grow as a player and it was sometimes, yeah, he could do some things, but man, he fucks this up.
00:45:28
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:45:32
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, we all have.
00:45:35
Grumpy Old Prop
He fucks that. Oh no. Okay. Now he's not fucking that up. Oh, now he's doing like very good things.
00:45:39
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm.
00:45:40
Grumpy Old Prop
It's just a, been a ridiculous progression, both with the chiefs and with New Zealand.
00:45:43
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:45:45
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:45:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, that's insane.
00:45:48
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, a couple of goers for New Zealand. And I know I already went on ah a love ah a love ballad for TJ Paranara, but seeing him lead the Hakka one last time, absolutely amazing.
00:45:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm.
00:45:58
Grumpy Old Prop
but
00:46:03
Jarrod Dyke
Number one.
00:46:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:46:04
Jarrod Dyke
Nobody, nobody does it quite like Teach.
00:46:06
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:46:06
Jarrod Dyke
um I, I'm a, so he broke through in 2018. 2011, 2012, which is really where I was able to like start watching more rugby myself.
00:46:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:46:18
Jarrod Dyke
And I was, I mean, obviously, I was a Hurricanes fan based on, you know, former players, and then he came through the ranks and
00:46:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:46:32
Jarrod Dyke
man, I'm going to miss that guy like wholeheartedly. Like that is a, that is a personality that you don't replace easily whatsoever.
00:46:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yeah. No, no.
00:46:43
Jarrod Dyke
And I'm, I'm really, uh, yeah, I'm, I'm, I love watching that guy play. He can play like a back rower sometimes. And yeah, he's a nippy little nine sometimes, but, um,
00:46:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:46:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, ro regard is good. They've got a bunch of good guys coming through the ranks.
00:46:58
Jarrod Dyke
I know it feels appropriate to have Reichert there.
00:47:00
Grumpy Old Prop
It's just different. There's not that there's a there's like a soul and and and ah an energy and electricity that and intensity the tj per andinara bring that that it's just a different dimension and and dynamic to the game than then they present. Even if they're excellent athletes and can do all all these amazing things, which they can, it's just different when TJ does it. I don't know how else to explain it.
00:47:26
Jarrod Dyke
Nope. Yeah. So happy shows, bud.
00:47:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:47:30
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Loved watching you play whatever happens next. You'll be great. I know it.
00:47:37
Grumpy Old Prop
And then the chief, um, Sam Cain, who probably should have been a little while ago, but I will say it's been good to see him come back and play better than he showed when it was time for him to go.
00:47:39
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Sam Kane.
00:47:44
Jarrod Dyke
Sent off the team a little while ago.
00:47:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, it's not going to get better than this. So it's like, okay.
00:47:56
Jarrod Dyke
No, good time to leave.
00:47:56
Grumpy Old Prop
There's like a whole thing about like ah Tom Brady, I think said I'll play till I suck. Um, and it's like.
00:48:02
Jarrod Dyke
Don't do that.
00:48:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, the you kind of went right before that.
00:48:04
Jarrod Dyke
Try and go out before that a little bit.
00:48:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Like that's the the sweet spot right before that. And Kane missed that, but he kind of came back around a little bit to like, not completely suck. I was like, okay, you know what?
00:48:18
Grumpy Old Prop
You kind of did some art there. Okay, cool. Thank you. Like now it's like the last thing you're remembered for is actually playing pretty, pretty good game. So cool.
00:48:26
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, not a, not a red card normal cup.
00:48:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, exactly. That's, yeah, there's, there's the thing.
00:48:31
Jarrod Dyke
It's a shitty way to, it's a shitty way to go out. Um, up to Murray field.
00:48:38
Grumpy Old Prop
This game was boring.
00:48:40
Jarrod Dyke
You know, and it had so much potential and it was just like fucking hell.
00:48:45
Grumpy Old Prop
No, no, nothing heartfelt.
00:48:46
Jarrod Dyke
Like, I
00:48:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Nothing exciting. No, no interesting plays.
00:48:49
Jarrod Dyke
mean, there was some really cool stuff, but overall, like Australia just didn't fucking fire a shot.
00:48:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, yeah, no.
00:48:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Not really.
00:48:57
Jarrod Dyke
You know, they really didn't apart from the Potter try, which was pretty awesome.
00:49:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Which was fun. Way too little, way too. I mean, no, that was awesome.
00:49:02
Jarrod Dyke
Way too late.
00:49:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Way too late.
00:49:05
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:49:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, and they had some, some decent effort, like Tizano.
00:49:06
Jarrod Dyke
Way too late.
00:49:09
Grumpy Old Prop
I thought the, the back the back row played really well. I thought Valentini Tizano Wilson, um, had a pretty good, good match.
00:49:14
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:49:18
Grumpy Old Prop
But like, yeah, and skeleton, uh, Lucas telekai loaded, like, that was a lot of beef.
00:49:22
Jarrod Dyke
That's a lot of beef in that second row.
00:49:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, but here's the problem.
00:49:26
Jarrod Dyke
Who beef?
00:49:27
Grumpy Old Prop
They made Grant Gilchrist like look good. They actually like, he did some, some good stuff and it's like, that's not.
00:49:34
Jarrod Dyke
It's not a good sign.
00:49:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And even when Rory Darge was like, just terms to be fair, ah you know, we are fan, well, again, I'm sorry if you're speaking for Jared.
00:49:37
Jarrod Dyke
It's not a good sign.
00:49:45
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm a fan of Rory Darge.
00:49:45
Jarrod Dyke
Same.
00:49:46
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm excited for what he can do. I think he's going to be a very good player. I think he already is a very good player. I think he can like be consistently that he was not that in this match. He was kind of poop.
00:49:55
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:49:58
Jarrod Dyke
All right. It wasn't, there was, yeah, I mean, there was a lot of, I mean, we have to talk about probably the most heartfelt moment of the weekend, which was to pull out to play in front of grand for the first time and fall.
00:50:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm. Yeah. yeah
00:50:15
Jarrod Dyke
I mean, to be fair, he should have been chopped way before he got to that goal line.
00:50:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, yeah, right.
00:50:21
Jarrod Dyke
But, you know, ah chopping. So, you know, it's not exactly a picnic.
00:50:28
Grumpy Old Prop
It's easier said than done.
00:50:29
Jarrod Dyke
It is, it is, but you're rugby players, you gotta put that guy on the ground.
00:50:30
Grumpy Old Prop
that Look.
00:50:33
Grumpy Old Prop
That's one of those, like, yeah, it should be easy for you to do. Me? Me do it? No, fuck no. But you, it should be very easy for you to do it.
00:50:39
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:50:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, no, don't want it.
00:50:42
Jarrod Dyke
Please now ph no.
00:50:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Please, no, I'm good. um But yeah, especially, like off but i I just, when was the last time you saw that move work for a try right off, right there?
00:50:46
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:50:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, ah that was just, I don't think, I did say to you that I thought, um
00:50:54
Jarrod Dyke
So very few times.
00:51:03
Grumpy Old Prop
that tackle attempt put the ick in icky towel that was half-hearted yeah you know not much help so um good gap to choose and yeah um right and
00:51:06
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, no, that was not his best ever attempt for sure. And Kelloway didn't help either.
00:51:16
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, but good for him. gets ah Gets a nice moment in front of his grand, which is great.
00:51:23
Grumpy Old Prop
then he smashes um what was it to a lee out of the game like that yeah
00:51:26
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, yeah. and soly So So will he was like almost offended by it. It's like, dude, not my fault.
00:51:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Like, are you okay? you Go away with the, what are you jerking it on me for? Like, all right, then go fuck yourself.
00:51:38
Jarrod Dyke
I assume, yeah, I assume two people that didn't go over there to talk shit. I'd say we went over to check on them and yeah, I get, you're kind of annoyed that that happened, but like your shit house technique fucking is the one that did it.
00:51:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:51:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. This isn't, this isn't league. We don't know. You kind of have to be a little bit under control here and it's in the tackle and you weren't. And so you may have, you may have technically gotten the best of the contact, but you lost the tackle. Like you got.
00:52:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, you gotta knock yourself out.
00:52:04
Jarrod Dyke
you see you Say you broke your breakck your wrist.
00:52:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:52:07
Jarrod Dyke
Oops. um
00:52:14
Jarrod Dyke
i Absolutely nothing comes out of this England game that we didn't that we didn't already know. Because Japan are bad.
00:52:26
Grumpy Old Prop
They are.
00:52:27
Jarrod Dyke
Understand that the US, who are improving, put up a ah damn good fight and played really well against Japan. And that says a lot. And I know Eddie's number one, Eddie sucks, but number two, he's actually trying a lot of new things. And that is going to make for some really shit house results. So really in the end, like. Yeah, there's a couple of like a book of four drawer. Good for him. That's that's awesome to get a young guy like that into the into the mix already.
00:53:00
Jarrod Dyke
that That only does good things, but everyone else is like, this is not, nothing here is news.
00:53:07
Grumpy Old Prop
no
00:53:08
Jarrod Dyke
We know nothing changed in terms of my opinion of any of these players.
00:53:13
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:53:14
Jarrod Dyke
And, you know, it's it just, it's one of those matches where you had a chance to maybe do something different and like they valued the result way too much, in my opinion.
00:53:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And what, nine tries, but four of them were by the hooker. And it's like, do you really need to, to line up all your way in and which I think with three of them right and it's like how about like do something different like which and they they show that they could I mean slide home had a pretty sweet try for banks was okay um not right nah whatever yawn um then and robux try you know at the end was was also um fairly box office and it's like
00:53:37
Jarrod Dyke
You mauled over a team that doesn't know how to fucking maul defend, no shit.
00:53:50
Jarrod Dyke
The fucking back door from Freeman. It was nice, yeah.
00:54:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, do that, do more of that. Cause you need to get, you need to be able to do that if you want to win at this level. Um, you know, again, this is in Japan is a little bit of a practice girl, like practice.
00:54:15
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:54:15
Grumpy Old Prop
You don't need to practice mall defense. Cause that, that doesn't really, I can't remember how many mall over tries outside of all South Africa sometimes, but even then they get, they get shop shut down every so often.
00:54:27
Jarrod Dyke
Say they do it from everywhere now.
00:54:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, yeah.
00:54:29
Jarrod Dyke
So we can't even say that about them.
00:54:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Um, it's like a thing, but it's not, it can't be the thing you rely on. And I feel like England kind of leaned on that and leaned on the the forwards a little bit. And it's like, yeah, the, any forward scored one, two, three, four, five, six of the nine tries. Like that's.
00:54:53
Jarrod Dyke
You are muscle dome.
00:54:53
Grumpy Old Prop
That's easy.
00:54:54
Grumpy Old Prop
That's easy.
00:54:55
Jarrod Dyke
Good deal.
00:54:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Do do do the hard thing. Um,
00:54:58
Jarrod Dyke
Yup.
00:54:58
Grumpy Old Prop
And then that's before we get into the the selections, like Sam Underhill.
00:55:01
Jarrod Dyke
Yup. Yup. Yup. Yup. Yup. Yup. Yup.
00:55:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Like this is quintessential Sam Underhill scores a try, scores a pretty damn good try. And then comes out at 13 minutes. Like that's, that's his thing.
00:55:10
Jarrod Dyke
Yup. Yup. Yup. Yup.
00:55:12
Grumpy Old Prop
When he plays, he plays well, but then he gets hurt.
00:55:12
Jarrod Dyke
Yup. Yup.
00:55:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Like that's just his thing.
00:55:15
Jarrod Dyke
Yup.
00:55:16
Grumpy Old Prop
That's who he is. We know it. ah It's never more evident than, than, you know, the latest time he does it, which is every time he gets to play, you know, sometimes he actually makes it through a whole match and that's great, but come on now.
00:55:28
Grumpy Old Prop
um on the other, but literally on the other side, Tom Curry. Why is he even on this team right now? Dude's like, um was it like ah Billy Ray from, ah um ah from not another teen movie or whatever.
00:55:46
Jarrod Dyke
Oh God, yeah. Oh, Richie Ray.
00:55:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Reggie Ray.
00:55:50
Jarrod Dyke
ah
00:55:51
Grumpy Old Prop
um Like ah he's it's this he's had too many too recently, the concussions I'm talking about. Like that's, he's got to sit. This is unsafe.
00:56:00
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:56:02
Grumpy Old Prop
um It really pisses me off that board there, you can put him on the team and then made him play full 80. Like there's zero respect for player welfare there, or even interest in it. That's to me pretty disgusting.
00:56:11
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. but doesn't I mean, for, for Volkswagen, it doesn't shock me all that much.
00:56:17
Grumpy Old Prop
And when even Austin Healy is calling out Henry Slade as being just not consequential at all.
00:56:26
Jarrod Dyke
Did not have that.
00:56:27
Grumpy Old Prop
And like, why is he out there? Like, wait, what? Like, I was like, wait, who said that? Who said what? and I mean, he's right about the defense too, that blitz defense.
00:56:38
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, even Japan were fighting gaps in it. It's just that they're not good enough to finish.
00:56:43
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:56:44
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's like, if Japan's finding gaps and there's not that hard to, there's, there's two ways to win against this. One is you you get just outside of the, um, the guy who's setting the edge, which is doable.
00:56:53
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:56:57
Grumpy Old Prop
That's I think, what'd you say out the back and then the skip pass very easy.
00:56:59
Jarrod Dyke
yep
00:57:00
Grumpy Old Prop
The other is the skip pass and then the, the, the um, so like skip pass off of like almost a blockers and then the pass back inside of the, to the guy who's running the outside line.
00:57:12
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:57:12
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's like underneath and you've split now to yet one guy launching inside one guy launching outside and the guy kind of swimming through the middle who's unaccounted for completely unaccounted for.
00:57:23
Grumpy Old Prop
And I think Japan hit that like two or three times. And it's like, yeah, it's complex to do at one level, but at the same time, if you got, you know, you practice it a little bit, it's not that hard.
00:57:34
Grumpy Old Prop
It's actually very easy to do both of those things.
00:57:37
Jarrod Dyke
right
00:57:37
Grumpy Old Prop
And they're doing it. You know, when, when people like Jared and I can sit around and just watch it happen and be like, Oh, there's the pattern. That's is what you do.
00:57:48
Grumpy Old Prop
That's that. This is easy. I'm pretty sure other coaches have figured that one out.
00:57:51
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I think I think other coaches are staring at and say and look on their chops and say yes.
00:57:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. I got two ways to beat you flat out that you can't defend against or that you can't protect because that's not the style of defense you use.
00:58:00
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:58:04
Grumpy Old Prop
You know, just the the the the the tactics you use make you vulnerable in two very easily constructed ways to beat you.
00:58:06
Jarrod Dyke
The shit house defense.
00:58:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Nah.
00:58:13
Jarrod Dyke
Nah, nah.
00:58:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Nah.
00:58:17
Jarrod Dyke
Alright, let's blitz through this real quick.
00:58:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:58:21
Jarrod Dyke
Um out to themselves I only have a couple
00:58:25
Grumpy Old Prop
um Props in Ireland Fiji feeling Beelan made it a freaking outstanding tackle. I think on the 13 And then now we got fucked because of the the team yellow card, which I think If you know you should maybe avoid a prop when that happens because it is a team yellow not just you know Whatever because then it fucks up the rest of the game. You gotta pull somebody out for us for all that and Yeah.
00:58:52
Grumpy Old Prop
And then, uh, the three other players are Josh Bayless to me, Harry Potter and James Botham.
00:58:56
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yep. Well, yeah, I thought both of them had a good one props to Cione for having a day in front of grand.
00:59:04
Jarrod Dyke
That's, that's just, that's, that's too special. Um, and then Pierce, I thought did a good job managing the, the Argentina and France game.
00:59:04
Grumpy Old Prop
We'll get to him later.
00:59:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. I thought so too.
00:59:11
Jarrod Dyke
And yeah, those, yeah, the, the, yeah, that, that card on Montoya Montoya was needed, but also it wasn't a red.
00:59:12
Grumpy Old Prop
From what I saw.
00:59:19
Grumpy Old Prop
yep Yeah.
00:59:20
Jarrod Dyke
So I'm glad they didn't go that down that direction, but yeah.
00:59:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:59:23
Jarrod Dyke
Cracking down on that shit, man. Don't fucking stand your goddamn feet.
00:59:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:59:26
Jarrod Dyke
Would you? Um, I shot the bed.
00:59:30
Grumpy Old Prop
So Ali and Montoya.
00:59:32
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. I just said Australia in general, really for the most part.
00:59:35
Grumpy Old Prop
That's fair, but I wanted to single out to Ali because, like, you know, he had a ah pretty good statement match and then he came back and just kind of pooped it.
00:59:38
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:59:42
Jarrod Dyke
yeah Yeah.
00:59:42
Grumpy Old Prop
um You know, you got to back it up. And the Montoya, that's like you said, got to be better from a captain and.
00:59:45
Jarrod Dyke
Um,
00:59:50
Grumpy Old Prop
um Yeah.
00:59:52
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, just, it was a little bit on the lazy side.
00:59:55
Grumpy Old Prop
He needs to pick it up a little bit. He, there was a time when it was like, Oh, I'd run through a brick wall for him. And it's like kind of wood, but man, I want to see him starting to like, he's got to start leading from the front more.
01:00:03
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Effect the play a little bit more.
01:00:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:00:06
Jarrod Dyke
Um, yeah, I had Australia general and then, um, putting him out to while it was the backup nine for Fiji that started absolute shit house three.
01:00:13
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
01:00:13
Jarrod Dyke
and wonders why people are getting on top of them. It's like, dude, you're driving that guy's face into the ground.
01:00:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:00:19
Jarrod Dyke
Totally unnecessarily. I get you're frustrated and you guys are getting your ass handed to you.
01:00:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:00:23
Jarrod Dyke
That is not how you do it, though. That's what that is definitely a variation of the red mist and you cannot do that shit.
01:00:29
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
01:00:30
Jarrod Dyke
Like, yeah, you are the reason that shit started as I don't remember who pointed it out.
01:00:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:00:36
Jarrod Dyke
I think it was Kinsella. on, um, on the socials, uh, frolic crabs, pender gas, like, dude, shot clock.
01:00:42
Jarrod Dyke
Like after all that's done, after all that's going on, it's like, dude, the shot clock is still going.
01:00:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:00:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:00:46
Jarrod Dyke
We're going to go.
01:00:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:00:48
Jarrod Dyke
Especially since they had on 60 seconds with it for this, um, this period.
01:00:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:00:52
Jarrod Dyke
Um, uh, ref coach and young player.
01:00:57
Grumpy Old Prop
um Ref Holly Davidson I Had a hell of a match I thought she did great I thought she managed it well and especially because like no matter what man woman Anything in between or outside of that?
01:00:59
Jarrod Dyke
Hey, yo.
01:01:12
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm.
01:01:14
Grumpy Old Prop
If you ref a rugby match you have to command with the respect and really run the game and
01:01:19
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm.
01:01:22
Grumpy Old Prop
you know, with being fair to the players, too. I thought she did that and more. I thought she did like you know there was there was obvious, like, respect for the players, respect for the game and demand for respect from them, even though I don't think that they nobody challenged her. And I think that's a credit to both the team and also the way she.
01:01:37
Grumpy Old Prop
um She ran cause you know, there there's, we saw plenty, I think we saw at least one or two teams walk back 10 meters this weekend. So, um, or at least through this competition.
01:01:44
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:01:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, and I don't remember if she did or not, but I know that she certainly like laid down the law on her end.
01:01:52
Jarrod Dyke
Might've been one.
01:01:54
Grumpy Old Prop
And, um, yeah, like people were pissed about the yellow card not being read, which.
01:01:57
Jarrod Dyke
There was one and it, she, what it was, it was a reversal because someone starts some shit house stuff and I think she flipped it on them, which I applaud her for that shit for sure.
01:01:59
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
01:02:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yep. Yes.
01:02:08
Jarrod Dyke
Cause no need for that stuff to start. Like I, as I just pointed out earlier, yeah, I had Holly down too. Fantastic match, doesn't matter. Men, woman, child, doesn't matter. um ah I was having a hard time picking out the coach because I don't wanna just give it to any of the coaches that shit house teams that they were supposed to.
01:02:26
Grumpy Old Prop
yep ye Yeah.
01:02:28
Jarrod Dyke
and um So I am gonna give it to Quesada, the Italian coach.
01:02:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm.
01:02:32
Jarrod Dyke
um Again, Italy were in position to do good things. They executed him very poorly, but he's putting him in good places now.
01:02:43
Jarrod Dyke
in a year, year and a half, where are they going to be? Hopefully they're executing them. And if they are Italy, all of a sudden become a really, really annoying team to play against.
01:02:52
Jarrod Dyke
They already are. They're going to be even worse. It's going to be a bigger problem.
01:02:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, they already are i I Think I mentioned when I i think wait when we were testing about it I think I said that like they remind me a lot of where Argentina work just before they broke through um They've got so much talent there.
01:03:05
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:03:06
Grumpy Old Prop
and And if they just put it right together, man, they're scary.
01:03:06
Jarrod Dyke
That's, that's the way to put it.
01:03:09
Grumpy Old Prop
They could beat anybody um My coach of the week was Gregor Townsend because I
01:03:10
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:03:14
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
01:03:15
Grumpy Old Prop
They were supposed to win. Yes, they did win and they won convincingly outside of the, you know, the, the late try made it seem closer than it was. Um, but like, there's, there's, you know, winning the game is supposed to win. And then there's like really just going out and winning that game.
01:03:34
Grumpy Old Prop
And they went out and they won that game. They, they, they played very well. Um, Australia are, are you know, so I wouldn't, I wouldn't sleep on them. They're, they're tough. Obviously they could sneak up on some teams who take them too lately and fuck around.
01:03:45
Jarrod Dyke
England.
01:03:48
Grumpy Old Prop
So good for, uh, you know, Townsend, Scotland team for, for nutting up and doing the job, not just like going through the motions.
01:03:57
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. No, so totally, totally agree. Totally agree.
01:04:03
Jarrod Dyke
I so young, young player, I wouldn't look kind of gassed, say I'm kind of gassed.
01:04:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, him and Gus McCarthy.
01:04:09
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, that's true. Yep. Good one as well.
01:04:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Those are my two.
01:04:11
Jarrod Dyke
Because one goes one as well. Yeah. So Youth coming through and performing well. Hmm. Can't imagine why that's working.
01:04:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, they actually play them with.
01:04:21
Jarrod Dyke
ah
01:04:24
Jarrod Dyke
Play them in a match they can succeed in and good things happen usually.
01:04:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:04:29
Jarrod Dyke
Excuse me. um ah Where are we at?
01:04:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Try the week.
01:04:33
Jarrod Dyke
Try the week.
01:04:35
Grumpy Old Prop
I have three. um
01:04:36
Jarrod Dyke
Well, I mean, I have two dimension, so I'm sure we're going to match.
01:04:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, see only three Pilates, uh, little lineup crash through a guitar.
01:04:42
Jarrod Dyke
Good one. Yep.
01:04:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, what do you got?
01:04:46
Jarrod Dyke
Um, the Freeman's back door to put, uh, for a bank.
01:04:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Yup. That's yup. After some, you know, I gotta say Slade was involved in that, but that kick was kind of shitty. Like Freeman did a lot of work to dig that out and then fling it back in.
01:04:59
Jarrod Dyke
There's a lot of, there's a lot of work done by Freeman.
01:05:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, yeah.
01:05:01
Jarrod Dyke
Trust me.
01:05:03
Grumpy Old Prop
So, um, Slade, thank you for being part of that.
Controversial Plays and Debates
01:05:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Or they'll get someone better in there.
01:05:07
Jarrod Dyke
Now go away, go very far away.
01:05:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And then my oh my last one was Finn's finish in Scotland, that the one that just went fucking all over the place.
01:05:14
Jarrod Dyke
but That was. There's so much good about that. I was like, this is beautiful.
01:05:22
Grumpy Old Prop
It really was. um and that's And it was Scotland doing that too, which that's to me is important because they've they've lacked any sort of flair like that for a long time and they're they're kind of they're showing it now.
01:05:24
Jarrod Dyke
This is beautiful.
01:05:30
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:05:35
Grumpy Old Prop
So let's hope that continues.
01:05:35
Jarrod Dyke
No, and then my my silver medal was um the Harry Potter try.
01:05:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Wow, that was good too.
01:05:43
Jarrod Dyke
That was fun.
01:05:43
Grumpy Old Prop
That was fun. I didn't think he got in at first, but on the first watch.
01:05:45
Jarrod Dyke
I was like, he's I called it before we even got to replays. I was like, you got it down.
01:05:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Because I was, yeah, I was like, he was out.
01:05:52
Jarrod Dyke
ah
01:05:53
Grumpy Old Prop
um He's like, I hope they award. I was like, you know, because then Jared called me on, I'm like, no, I hope they award it because I always hope they award the tribe. But um I thought his leg was out.
01:05:59
Jarrod Dyke
I was like, who are you?
01:06:00
Grumpy Old Prop
No, he did a freaking X more tough.
01:06:02
Jarrod Dyke
and What have you done?
01:06:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Exactly. But no, I saw the replans like, no, he kept his feet.
01:06:05
Jarrod Dyke
ah yeahp Yeah.
01:06:07
Grumpy Old Prop
All right, good. Award. Award the hell out of that try.
01:06:12
Jarrod Dyke
Do it. Do it. um Play the week.
01:06:17
Grumpy Old Prop
C only to pull out to name someone who had a better week.
01:06:19
Jarrod Dyke
Nice. That's a good pick. um I went with... I mean, he had a great week. It's just hard to argue that.
01:06:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Maybe Luke Cowan Dickie, because he got to, you know, need a field and score.
01:06:29
Jarrod Dyke
um Actually play and score, even though he's useless.
01:06:33
Grumpy Old Prop
and yeah Yeah, but come on.
01:06:36
Jarrod Dyke
Um, yeah, Barry,
01:06:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm.
Broadcasting Issues and Critiques
01:06:39
Jarrod Dyke
like guys, fucking lightning in a bottle.
01:06:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Fair.
01:06:42
Jarrod Dyke
And I know Billy Harris too, but he just, he just glides.
01:06:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
01:06:48
Jarrod Dyke
It doesn't even look like he's trying. And all of a sudden the meters just tick away. It's like, God damn. Yeah. Okay. Special. It'd be fun for a while. Dick of the week agreed.
01:07:01
Grumpy Old Prop
I have two. Um, first is flow sports because some of us actually wanted to watch the U S play Spain.
01:07:07
Jarrod Dyke
I did too. I tried to put it on at the gym.
01:07:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, it took what it was like 20 minutes in before it went on.
01:07:13
Jarrod Dyke
Yup.
01:07:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, and then, then the feed, the only feed I could get was in Spanish or I think it might've even been Portuguese.
01:07:14
Jarrod Dyke
Yup.
01:07:18
Jarrod Dyke
It was.
01:07:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, right.
01:07:20
Jarrod Dyke
Maybe, yeah, I couldn't tell you. I wasn't listening close enough.
01:07:24
Grumpy Old Prop
And I'm like, well, I mean, I could tell when Ruben Dejas had it, um, Eventually I figured out when, when McGinty had it. Um, but that was other than that, I was just like, I, I kind of, obviously I tuned out most of the audio cause I I'm used to doing that.
01:07:36
Jarrod Dyke
may
01:07:40
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm well versed in that. I've seen, I've watched enough matches with, with Austin Healy common thing to, to just learn to tune out the comms.
01:07:44
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, right.
01:07:47
Grumpy Old Prop
But, um, yeah, that was annoying.
01:07:49
Jarrod Dyke
That was not helpful.
01:07:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, and then my other Dick was, was is Steve Worthwick for, for putting, um, Tom Curry out there.
01:07:54
Jarrod Dyke
Same.
01:07:58
Jarrod Dyke
Well, it just in general, like,
01:08:00
Grumpy Old Prop
and and Well, yeah.
01:08:02
Jarrod Dyke
So think about, there were at least five or six players that didn't even get a sniff in this automations because they went in with shitty game plans and shitty tactics, came away with shitty results, and then they're like, oh, we gotta get a win.
01:08:17
Jarrod Dyke
It's like really like, did you need to name this team to get this win?
01:08:24
Jarrod Dyke
You really shouldn't have had had to.
01:08:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:08:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:08:28
Jarrod Dyke
Like, Yeah, it's extremely frustrating. RFU, if you're smart, you're goingnna camp you gonna sack this guy right now. like I'm sorry. like There's a point where it's like, all right, you've... Just remember Eddie. Remember Eddie and how you guys thought he was the right guy in the second time around. And you kept believing it, and you kept believing it, and he kept picking shit teams, he kept picking shit teams, and he kept losing for the most part.
Closing and Future Outlook
01:08:59
Jarrod Dyke
This isn't gonna be that much different. I'm sorry to say, like, you' you need to find someone that's got at least a little bit more of an expansive mind and willing to pick, like, don't get so fucking attached to players that aren't that good.
01:09:14
Jarrod Dyke
Like, oh, he's you know, they're talking about Slade, he's my defensive leader. He's dog shit at that, so what the fuck good does that do?
01:09:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm, right. I mean and also your scheme is dogshit. So what good does that do?
01:09:26
Jarrod Dyke
Yes.
01:09:29
Jarrod Dyke
Like, yeah, no, I just. Over it, over it, over it. All right, we got to pick them to do.
01:09:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay, let's do it Barris
01:09:38
Jarrod Dyke
um Quins and bears. Bears.
01:09:43
Grumpy Old Prop
And again, we're we're this is all assuming that there's going to be rest for some of these players.
01:09:43
Jarrod Dyke
Same.
01:09:48
Jarrod Dyke
There is probably.
01:09:48
Grumpy Old Prop
um yeah so I feel like Bristol are much less affected by that.
01:09:51
Jarrod Dyke
um Newcastle Saracens. Yeah.
01:09:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Saracen's going up to Newcastle, yeah.
01:09:57
Jarrod Dyke
Saracen's, yeah, should be fine. saint s gloester you and Saint's semi-deep power team is going to be pretty good.
01:10:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Saints, I was going through this. I was like, you know, Gloucester might win this. They're not nearly as affected, but, um, I, then I was looking at. Yeah.
01:10:13
Jarrod Dyke
Mitchell might be back.
01:10:14
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's home and yeah. Well, even, and Tom James is, he wasn't away, right? So he's, he's available.
01:10:19
Jarrod Dyke
No.
01:10:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, it doesn't matter if it's at that point. And then the, still the the back row is going to be tasty, um, for, for, for saints.
01:10:28
Jarrod Dyke
Yup, no doubt. no doubt
01:10:31
Grumpy Old Prop
So. It's gonna be hard. And even the centers, I mean, they're still gonna have Dingwall and Hutchinson, I'm sure. um And they have Handy back there. I'm sorry, I'm getting into my start and sits, but at the same time, that's what drove me to to Saints on this one.
01:10:42
Jarrod Dyke
Yup.
01:10:46
Jarrod Dyke
Bath Exeter.
01:10:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Beth.
01:10:49
Jarrod Dyke
Sail and, yeah, yeah.
01:10:50
Grumpy Old Prop
They still have that depth in the back row, that's just not fair.
01:10:53
Jarrod Dyke
Sail and Luster.
01:10:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Lester.
01:10:56
Jarrod Dyke
I went with them as well. Dodgy motherfucker. Okay.
01:11:03
Jarrod Dyke
so Jesus, there's something wrong with me. So that does it for us. um We're going to be heading over to the fantasy corner for the first time in a few weeks. So if you want to join us over there, we'll see you over there.
01:11:14
Jarrod Dyke
If not, we do appreciate you guys listening. Enjoy the return to the prem and those of you that are in, yeah, those of the you that are in the the United States.
01:11:20
Grumpy Old Prop
briefly.
01:11:23
Jarrod Dyke
Happy Thanksgiving.
01:11:25
Jarrod Dyke
Thank you very much for listening to us. We'll catch you guys next week. Have a good one, everyone.
01:11:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Happy Thanksgiving.
01:11:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Later.
01:11:30
Jarrod Dyke
Cheers.