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Season 7- Episode 13- School Boy Strategies (Champions Cup Round 4)
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It's the latest from those American rugby knuckleheads (a bit tardy to the party though). On this episode for your annoyance, or pleasure, we are covering the broken nose heard around the world as Bristol's star experiences on of the other side of XVs. Also, we look back at how things landed in the Champions Cup round of 16 and the path that got us there. This and oh so much more. Kick back, and join us, won't you fam!?
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Transcript
Opening and Personal Update
00:00:29
Jarrod Dyke
Hey everybody, welcome back to the fantasy rugby game. My name is Jared Dyke.
00:00:33
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm Ben Glauser.
00:00:34
Jarrod Dyke
Here we go. Sorry if we had to skip last week. Life, you know, as we've, as we mentioned before, life will happen to us as we deal with soon to be one year olds.
00:00:42
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:00:49
Grumpy Old Prop
We seem to be pretty well cycled at that because like, it's generally, I'll text Jared and be like, i I don't think I can do tonight. And he'll text me back being like, I was just about to say the same thing.
00:01:00
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I'll shoot you.
00:01:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Or the opposite will happen where it's like, he'll text him like he did that. he He was the one who sent the one last week and I'm like, yes, I cannot.
00:01:04
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:01:08
Grumpy Old Prop
I can't.
00:01:10
Jarrod Dyke
ah Yeah, no, i was I was only an hour into coaching that morning.
00:01:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm.
00:01:16
Jarrod Dyke
I was like, I'm already bored.
00:01:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm.
00:01:17
Jarrod Dyke
There's no way this is happening tonight. I could feel it.
00:01:22
Grumpy Old Prop
I can't believe they canceled my practice for tomorrow night.
00:01:26
Jarrod Dyke
Can't imagine why.
00:01:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Just cause it's going to be like 10 degrees.
00:01:28
Jarrod Dyke
negative or something.
00:01:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:01:31
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:01:31
Grumpy Old Prop
That's Fahrenheit.
00:01:32
Jarrod Dyke
For those that, for those that don't live in the United States, it's fucking cold
00:01:32
Grumpy Old Prop
So
Trans Rights Advocacy
00:01:36
Jarrod Dyke
and knowing on right now.
00:01:36
Grumpy Old Prop
right.
00:01:37
Jarrod Dyke
Most of the, north most of these in Z board, it's freaking cold over here.
00:01:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Like we're in single digits cold. Um, which yeah.
00:01:44
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. I was glad I filled up my car through earlier. I was like, this would be a bad time to not having a fuel in your car.
00:01:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. And this is like negative 10 or something like that. Celsius.
00:01:55
Jarrod Dyke
With a wind show. Yeah.
00:01:56
Grumpy Old Prop
No, but I'm saying Celsius. I'm trying to figure out what that would be.
00:01:59
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, Braver Soul and I had to try to figure that out.
00:02:00
Grumpy Old Prop
and In Celsiusness. No, it's more than that because it's yeah, it's such a weird formula.
00:02:04
Jarrod Dyke
It's below zero. It's well below zero for those of you going off the center grade here.
00:02:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:02:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:02:11
Jarrod Dyke
Anyway.
00:02:12
Jarrod Dyke
Um, yeah. Um, make sure that you are sharing our podcast on your favorite podcast app download rate review.
00:02:12
Grumpy Old Prop
The same ones, as we call them.
00:02:23
Jarrod Dyke
Uh, Do us all a favor and buy our good friend, George, the fancy, or we geeky coffee or beer. He is, if you haven't seen it, he is back writing for six nations and their fancy column.
00:02:34
Jarrod Dyke
So give them it.
00:02:35
Grumpy Old Prop
He uses the metric system he knows what's up
00:02:36
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. yes Yes, he does. He does give give that man some support and some love by show, by buying him a coffee. There is no discrimination here on this podcast, nor should there be in sports or in life.
00:02:49
Jarrod Dyke
I mean,
00:02:51
Grumpy Old Prop
I got one.
00:02:52
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, you got one specific one because I can think of like five but yeah Yeah buckle buckle up kids Yes
00:02:54
Grumpy Old Prop
That's that's pretty Oh, yeah, there's too many. But so I'm going to I'm going to tell like, because you know, we're gonna be we're gonna have a lot the next few years, there's gonna be no shortage of it.
00:03:09
Grumpy Old Prop
So this is a bit of a don't you fucking dare? No discrimination, which is um trans people are going to be under attack already are have been, but now there's really no one even remotely putting up a defense, which they weren't really doing in the first place. But at least there was some fear from the um yeah the fascists about that. They're going to become harder after trans people. And I've seen I follow um quite a few trans people.
00:03:46
Grumpy Old Prop
on on the social medias. And one of them is a journalist, and she was saying that she's seen a lot of people go after Caitlyn Jenner. Be like, Oh, we have I guess we have to call you Bruce now and blah, blah, blah. That's what you know, this is what you've this is what you wanted. And bubble and you know, this is what you voted for. And support it. And it's like,
00:04:06
Grumpy Old Prop
No. like That doesn't solve the problem.
00:04:08
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, that doesn't solve the problem guys No i mean Yes, she's an idiot for backing this moron but Don't do that no, no
00:04:11
Grumpy Old Prop
All it does is bring more transphobia into the world. It's the wrong thing to do. um don't Don't do that. That's part of the problem.
00:04:23
Grumpy Old Prop
like yeah All you're doing is giving licensing. Oh, you're you're actually saying it's it's it's acceptable to do it to to do what they're doing. It's also, as um my my friend said,
00:04:36
Grumpy Old Prop
She doesn't know, she's my friend, but she's my friend.
00:04:40
Jarrod Dyke
Fair.
00:04:40
Grumpy Old Prop
She said that this is like, it's not allyship, right?
00:04:48
Jarrod Dyke
No, of course not.
00:04:48
Grumpy Old Prop
So it's like, you can't call yourself an ally and then do this because you're shit you're sending a message to other trans people that your support is conditional.
00:04:56
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it can't be that way.
00:04:57
Grumpy Old Prop
And if they don't deem you worthy, they won't support you as a person. And it's like, and which we've known from these people, but just don't be that way.
00:05:05
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:05:06
Grumpy Old Prop
be bigger.
00:05:07
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, we have to.
00:05:08
Grumpy Old Prop
We lost ah David Lynch this week and had a great line ah about that because um one of ah one of his agents in the in the show, I don't know if, have you seen Twin Peaks?
00:05:19
Jarrod Dyke
Nope, but I know, I know what we're talking about here.
00:05:21
Grumpy Old Prop
um Yeah, but David Duchovny plays, and I'm not sure the exact orientation. I don't recall from from the show whether whether he she's trans or,
00:05:34
Grumpy Old Prop
um or just cross-dressing, I'm not sure. um but And he said like, oh yeah, some of your colleagues um were having a go at you or whatever. And I said, fix your hearts or die um for all I care. And it's like, that's, yes. Well, that was ah such a, da out that's that's it right there. Don't become what the bad guys are just because it's, you find it's allowable. That's not that's not how we do it.
00:06:02
Grumpy Old Prop
So over the next four years, watch yourself because it's going to be very easy to go along with the crowd.
00:06:08
Jarrod Dyke
No Yeah, totally Yeah, be mindful of it Absolutely um All right make sure that you grab our patreon there should be goods coming out for
00:06:10
Grumpy Old Prop
So just keep an eye on it. but Button that shit up.
00:06:24
Jarrod Dyke
um Wonderful Patriot patrons this week On top of PWR which we'll get to in a second Or later on whatever it is doesn't matter point being grab a patreon. We appreciate you support just the same Okay, let's dive into this thing While we we don't need to spend too much time on the wonders of the Bristol Bears against the Lister Tigers it was nice to see Lester put up a fight and just like Yeah. Give everyone the middle finger. Like, no, we are not getting rolled over here.
00:06:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, that, that was a message game from, from Lester, certainly to the rest of the league. Cause Bristol or Bristol was up there, um, as one of the best and they went, went into, I can't remember the, uh, venue.
00:07:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Unfortunately, I apologize.
00:07:13
Jarrod Dyke
This week. Oh, za it was the gate.
00:07:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Was it the gate? Okay.
00:07:15
Jarrod Dyke
It was the gate.
00:07:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, it wasn't the gate. Yes. Sorry. Okay.
00:07:17
Jarrod Dyke
Yes.
00:07:18
Grumpy Old Prop
They went into Ashton gate and, and took it to him. Um, looking especially at ah at Talia Brody, um who you may know and love from the US Eagles.
00:07:28
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:07:32
Grumpy Old Prop
um Justin and I were going over, is this an eight? but it it It's wrong to call them an eight man, although that's just a thing. And you know so I'm thinking of like um eight person and she just was like, don't do that.
00:07:41
Jarrod Dyke
Number eight.
00:07:48
Grumpy Old Prop
It's not that, that's not right. Whatever it's right, it's not that.
00:07:51
Jarrod Dyke
ah I just call it number eight.
00:07:52
Grumpy Old Prop
um Yeah, that works too. um Some great number eatery. I Don't like the way that flows off to figure it out um But yeah when you can't stop when you when you give up a ah Quartet to the the hooker of the other team They probably gotcha.
00:07:59
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm. Number rating.
00:08:12
Grumpy Old Prop
That's you know for mall tries Yeah, right Yeah the
00:08:12
Jarrod Dyke
And it's not, um, Skeleton or back in Davis, like you might need to consider other things. and Another day who's alone also broke her nose.
00:08:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, she did.
00:08:26
Jarrod Dyke
I was like, oop, that's her beak.
00:08:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, welcome. Welcome to welcome the fifth. Welcome back to 15. I know it's been a while, but here's your your wonder game and here's your broken nose.
00:08:32
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, well.
00:08:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Like it was funny because she didn't she didn't do much during the game.
00:08:36
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, back to back.
00:08:41
Grumpy Old Prop
And that's not to I'm not disparaging her. As we said, the hooker got four tries. The prop got another like they. They really didn't need to get it to the backs. The the forwards were just, were, were were fine.
00:08:51
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:08:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, winning penalties and then putting it away themselves. Like, but she didn't get much action. And then the few times, like one of like that few times the ball even got near as you fricking broke her nose.
00:09:06
Grumpy Old Prop
That's it. That's a rough game for a week.
00:09:08
Jarrod Dyke
But yeah, it's shit luck. What are you gonna do? All over the league, I will say, and we can move on after this.
00:09:14
Jarrod Dyke
um It's nice to see that other teams are now putting up the fight and kind of getting themselves going in the season.
00:09:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm.
00:09:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Mhm.
00:09:21
Jarrod Dyke
You know, shell finders almost turned over, Costa-Harpery at home.
00:09:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:09:26
Jarrod Dyke
You know, Loughborough, again, after even after beating Saracens, almost gave it to Exeter and turned them over.
00:09:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Mhm.
00:09:31
Jarrod Dyke
and Even say I'll put up a fucking fight against Quinn's for a bit in the end, the scoreline didn't look great.
00:09:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:09:37
Jarrod Dyke
But so, um, very, I'm very pleased to see that the rest of the teams are now like, Nope, this is not going to be a a league where you, like these five teams will say, March over everyone.
00:09:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Mhm.
00:09:51
Jarrod Dyke
Like, no, no, no.
00:09:52
Jarrod Dyke
We're, we're here to, we're here to play rugby, you know, and, and really. Everyone in these teams is doing themselves a service by playing good rugby because it's a World Cup year and there are players on all these teams that, you know, are going to get looked at by their country.
00:09:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Now we're gonna write.
00:10:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:10:07
Jarrod Dyke
So looking forward, looking forward to the rest of the season here.
00:10:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:10:12
Jarrod Dyke
We only got a few weeks, but still should be a fun run in.
00:10:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm. Yep, as again, as you said, players putting their names, their their their hands up, it's They're going to take chances. They're going to to really show off. That's fuck. That's fun.
00:10:28
Jarrod Dyke
All right, let's go to the final round champion cup of Champions Cup. We'll try not to spend too much time on this. I can actually see my clock now too, which helps.
00:10:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, that's good.
00:10:35
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, no, I got i got my situation over on the side fix.
00:10:42
Jarrod Dyke
Up to the Kingspan.
00:10:45
Jarrod Dyke
They sent the bin juice exerted, but at the same time, they've already paid they paint themselves into this corner previously with
00:10:48
Grumpy Old Prop
hu
00:10:57
Jarrod Dyke
man selection and man play, so I don't have a, I'm not really gonna feel bad for them by getting 52 put on them.
00:11:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:11:07
Jarrod Dyke
That's re ah not all four games quite, but that's three games. They got 50 put on them in this comp.
00:11:15
Grumpy Old Prop
That's rough. And I still think Vincent was offside.
00:11:16
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:11:18
Grumpy Old Prop
So I don't I thought I might try to be fraudulent myself. um I haven't seen I haven't seen I didn't see enough of the replay.
00:11:22
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:11:26
Grumpy Old Prop
um But the replay that I saw the the initial replay I saw was pretty conclusive to me that he was not the last man on the rock. So I don't know how that was allowed. I don't know how they really looked at it.
00:11:39
Jarrod Dyke
I, the people that were in the booth, was it Sam Grove white?
00:11:41
Grumpy Old Prop
say I don't know.
00:11:43
Jarrod Dyke
I think it was in the booth. I don't trust him. So showing it.
00:11:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And that's weird because you're you're you know, Ulster is the home team. They should have just shown it in the, in the stadium, like show it, show it until someone looks at it.
00:11:55
Jarrod Dyke
Keep showing it. Keep showing it. Someone's going to look at it.
00:12:01
Jarrod Dyke
Absolutely. Um, no, I think we'll.
00:12:03
Grumpy Old Prop
There's a reason the French do it this way. They're smart.
00:12:09
Jarrod Dyke
I think we'll surmise this game with a fellow named Cormac Izachukwu and what his prospects are for ah just a little bit and what his prospects are going forward here.
00:12:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, did he play in this game?
00:12:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:12:25
Jarrod Dyke
Cause I know he's got a tough, he's got a tough line up to crack here, but he has certainly put his name up.
00:12:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Mhm.
00:12:31
Jarrod Dyke
I think he's definitely getting into the 23. Um, with his versatility being able to play lock in and number six and plays plays a good six too. So I, I think he can, I think he can see sometime this, this coming spring here.
00:12:50
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, after um McCarthy, right? Am I get my getting that name right? um Yeah, they kind of like, it's kind of the same thing we've been talking about with with a certain other coach, like, try your young guys, this is the time to be trying them.
00:12:57
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. John McCarthy. Yep.
00:13:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Because like, what if like him, they're like, you know what, I can, I can swim at this level. Yeah, let's go. There's some people who won't but that's how you find out who your best players are Right.
00:13:14
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:13:19
Grumpy Old Prop
There's there certain guys like do you need to see Ian Henderson right now? I mean, I know maybe you want to win obviously, but is that is is if you take Ian Henderson Rather than it is a juku What do you get like are you gonna win a game because of it?
00:13:22
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:13:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Probably probably not No,
00:13:39
Jarrod Dyke
um Based on pure talent, no.
00:13:41
Grumpy Old Prop
so give my shot
00:13:42
Jarrod Dyke
is that you was without doubt more talented at this point, at least.
00:13:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. So at this point, right.
00:13:46
Jarrod Dyke
And I know Henderson's got a fuckload of experience under his belt.
00:13:49
Grumpy Old Prop
He's got a ton of experience.
00:13:50
Jarrod Dyke
That's not news.
00:13:50
Grumpy Old Prop
But this is, you know, ah yeah, I think he and I was so I think because they have recent experience of hey, we brought a guy in and he was good, right away, like right away. There should be should be less hesitance to do that here too.
00:14:07
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:14:07
Grumpy Old Prop
So hope hoping for good news for him.
00:14:08
Jarrod Dyke
I think for their sake. It, for, for Ireland's sake, you think about the possibility of a rotation between the seasoned veteran type burn and undoubtedly one of the best second rows in Ireland, if not one of the better ones in the world. Um, Joe McCarthy, who has clearly just stormed the scene between last year and this year. And then, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, extremely athletic and talented. Is it true who, if those are your, if that's your four or five and 19.
00:14:41
Jarrod Dyke
That's really good. Like going forward, like you, you need the one season veteran.
00:14:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:14:46
Jarrod Dyke
There's no question about that. and i And I agree with that because there's nobody else that really fits the bill because I don't trust James Ryan.
00:14:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Shoot
00:14:55
Jarrod Dyke
I think he's an idiot.
00:14:55
Grumpy Old Prop
it.
00:14:56
Jarrod Dyke
Um, and then you have Ian Henderson who again is not over the moon with quality. So I think those are your options really.
00:15:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:15:05
Jarrod Dyke
So, ah but still you should be very excited if you're Island for sure.
00:15:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:15:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep. And I'm glad to see it like, I realize just realized, oh, shit, there's teams that have been named. um I'm glad to see he's on the squad. So let's hope let's hope we um we actually we get to see him in the game, in the game here.
00:15:15
Jarrod Dyke
He is. Yes, he is. It's more, is he going to make the 23? And I hope so.
00:15:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:15:23
Jarrod Dyke
We don't need to spend much time on both Stodds. Stodd sent the shags and the scoreline shows it.
00:15:28
Grumpy Old Prop
And they got shagged. Yep.
00:15:30
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Yep. Scoreline shows it. Hanukkahm. I mean, I, and this goes back to my, my coach of the year thing, like, Razi has already given Hanukkahmas due, like, and there are other coaches but the way that are scared to do that shit.
00:15:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:15:50
Jarrod Dyke
And it's like, no, just get yeah get the talent in and get them, get them used to being in camp.
00:15:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:15:56
Jarrod Dyke
And then, yeah, get them some minutes because there'll be a day where you want that person to be the guy or the gal and whatever case it may be.
00:16:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:16:05
Jarrod Dyke
And if you don't have the experience, if they don't have the minutes under their belt,
00:16:11
Grumpy Old Prop
right
00:16:11
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, you're going to, they're, they might struggle at first or you can give them some minutes and give them some time and be smart about it. And, you know, yes, under some tutelage of one, see a Cleesey and two Evan that's Beth that he'll flourish, but that's, that's what you do with young players.
00:16:31
Jarrod Dyke
You surround them with some experienced, talented heads and you let them, let them just do their thing as they see fit and the guys will help them out otherwise.
00:16:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. and Right.
00:16:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. and And I mean, they already have like visa. They've got, they've got eights who are, who they can turn to also in case he's kind of poops it.
00:16:44
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
00:16:48
Grumpy Old Prop
So it's like, but if you don't play these guys, then you don't know what you got. So it's yeah.
00:16:52
Jarrod Dyke
You're never gonna find out. Yep, agreed.
00:16:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Anywho. Yes. Smart move.
00:16:56
Jarrod Dyke
Let's jump over to the gardens.
00:16:57
Jarrod Dyke
um Undoubtedly the match of the weekend. I think for the most part, Northampton Monster just rock them, sock them back and forth. Yeah.
00:16:57
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:17:10
Jarrod Dyke
yeah As much as I didn't want to enjoy this game I did because I was hoping I was hoping mustard would win But then obviously things happened otherwise, but that's a different story for a different day.
00:17:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:17:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:17:19
Jarrod Dyke
We'll get there in a minute We'll get there in a minute.
00:17:20
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:17:21
Jarrod Dyke
Don't you worry? Um So I I want to bring up and we we know the goods for Northampton no Not questionable question by any means whatsoever.
00:17:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:17:34
Jarrod Dyke
So there were moments where because of last week And the way Sam Pendergast had kind of, you know, Hey, you you got kind of thrown into the, to the fire a little bit out in Lotto shell.
00:17:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm hmm.
00:17:47
Jarrod Dyke
And, you know, it was one, it was like, is this kid going to be able to task, pass this test? He figured it out. It was ugly as hell, but he figured it out. And that's one of those games that makes you a better player as a senior level.
00:18:00
Jarrod Dyke
And also like having watched Jack Crowley, both against Austin in this match, I'm thinking. Shit. I might have this wrong. Cause I, I went back. pender gas for that 10 jersey.
00:18:10
Jarrod Dyke
But I absolutely would understand the case and or if Jack Crowley gets it because watching this game he and last week even he overly impressed me for sure.
00:18:23
Jarrod Dyke
So that was that was a great game from Jack Crowley and hostile territory and in a big match.
00:18:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:18:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Cause and, and I gotta say he's no disrespect to, to the rest of the monster squad at all intended here.
00:18:38
Grumpy Old Prop
He's outgunned in this game.
00:18:41
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm Yeah tough Mm
00:18:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Like Mike Haley is, um, Scanlon Farrell are are kind of, you know, they're, they're, they're they're solid, but they're not like, super athletic they like you look up and down this Saints lineup and it's it's it's tough I mean even Seabrook putting up but he put up a Hattie yeah like yeah like I know he's in Seabrook still young what's he like 21 or something like that
00:19:02
Jarrod Dyke
-hmm you ate it You you forget about like forget about the depth they have until they need to call on Tom Seabrick and he puts a game forward like this. You're just like, oh, that's right.
00:19:14
Jarrod Dyke
They do have good depth. God damn. You know, they have...
00:19:20
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, he's been around on the block already for a while.
00:19:23
Jarrod Dyke
it's so um I was shocked as as to find out as he was as young as he was.
00:19:23
Grumpy Old Prop
He really has.
00:19:27
Jarrod Dyke
I was just like, really? It feels like he's been around forever.
00:19:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, it's one of those.
00:19:28
Grumpy Old Prop
but Yeah, he's been playing since he's 15. What's going on there?
00:19:32
Jarrod Dyke
Something like that, right?
00:19:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, but, uh, no, he's like, don't sleep on him.
00:19:36
Jarrod Dyke
Do we check that birth certificate?
00:19:38
Grumpy Old Prop
And then, you know, you still have, you know, Freeman and, and, um, and Ram. Um, that's just in the backs, you know, the forwards, you know, love you know, we all enjoy Peter Romani, but like Kameny Pearson, Augustus, easily better than Omani, Kendall and in Coombs.
00:19:59
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, kindling's coming along. I will say that, but your point is is is on.
00:20:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I mean, you know, Pearson's coming along. So, like, and then, you know, like the man who wanted the end, who won the penalty to end it, Henry Pollack, like, he's, he's coming along, but like,
00:20:11
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah.
00:20:17
Jarrod Dyke
Henry Pollock.
00:20:22
Grumpy Old Prop
he's he's a fucking amazing play already so good though
00:20:24
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Both fucking time. Yeah. You get called in to the squad because I think Dom picked something up.
00:20:32
Grumpy Old Prop
not good no we need to see the curries maybe any
00:20:33
Jarrod Dyke
No, not good. I wish it was for someone else honestly, but it's, it is where it is, you know? Um,
00:20:43
Jarrod Dyke
I mean, I'll, I'll, I'll eat my hat in a minute here, but yeah, barf. Um, yeah, good stuff there from, from this game. Like, yeah, if you haven't watched it, go back, go back, watch it.
00:20:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:20:55
Jarrod Dyke
Um, Derek Kelly Allen is probably the best wing in Ireland. That's probably not going to see a ton of time for Ireland, which is sad.
00:21:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:21:02
Jarrod Dyke
Like guys, Uber talent. And he's a, he's a unit on top of it all.
00:21:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, he is.
00:21:07
Jarrod Dyke
Like. Yeah. And he's got Calvin Nash on the other side who obviously did great things too. So it's like Jesus.
00:21:12
Grumpy Old Prop
He did.
00:21:13
Jarrod Dyke
So that was, yeah, that there's a lot, there's, there's a lot of town that monster team may give me full credit.
00:21:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm. Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm not saying you know I Take nothing away, certainly from the wings.
00:21:22
Jarrod Dyke
The 12 13, the 12 13 problem is definitely a problem. I will say that, you know, no, no, no, no, no, and then over to, um, Marcel and Michelle,
00:21:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:21:29
Grumpy Old Prop
No, it is not.
00:21:40
Jarrod Dyke
I feel for Bristol at the same time, like this isn't their comp.
00:21:45
Grumpy Old Prop
It's.
00:21:45
Jarrod Dyke
You know, it will be one day, but it's not yet.
00:21:49
Grumpy Old Prop
And, and to me, I think this for for Bristol was more of a, okay, we, we grabbed, um, Harry Byrne for a little bit. What can we do with him? And it was like, you know, this is this consequence for you. They're not, they're, they're not playing for anything really. So it's, uh, like, just see what we can do. Let's let's open it up and see what we can get done. And, you know, that wasn't bad.
00:22:19
Jarrod Dyke
No, they they they I mean they had a shot at women this thing that they just could not get out of their own end and find ways to and you know a Loads of credit to Claremont obviously like they just kept the pressure on no matter where they were and no matter how how much it seemed like the tide was turning in those final minutes like
00:22:25
Grumpy Old Prop
no
00:22:32
Grumpy Old Prop
No. Uh huh.
00:22:41
Jarrod Dyke
They just said, no, the time that we are were just going to shove it right back and said, no, no, no, it's going that way still still. And it just kept, they just kept going for it. And finally, finally freaking the damn broke. It's like, jeez. Um, it was, it took a while though. It was, I mean, that pressure was on Bristol basically since their, their last try. So just before the, the clock went red until 86 87 minutes.
00:23:12
Jarrod Dyke
So yeah, tough, tough to absorb all that pressure and think nothing bad's gonna happen, and especially with fits in the bin as well.
00:23:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Right, it was just yeah.
00:23:19
Jarrod Dyke
That didn't help.
00:23:20
Grumpy Old Prop
That did not help. Well, yeah, it just was one of the things you felt like it was common and then. Dembers.
00:23:27
Jarrod Dyke
Right. and i And I mean, if you compare, if I'm comparing, even just the backup nines here, busy and Marman, I do like Marman, don't get me wrong.
00:23:42
Jarrod Dyke
But Bessie is just another level. He's been around the block so much.
00:23:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:23:45
Jarrod Dyke
And I know Marmian's not that young either. And I get it. But at the same time, like Bessie has been there, done that.
00:23:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:23:52
Jarrod Dyke
He's been a part of these types of competitions before and these types of games before. It is old news for him. He is the Wiley veteran that's guiding along the young pop agenda who played really well, by the way.
00:24:03
Jarrod Dyke
And yeah, he's he's that guy that you can just pick up, you know, much like Saron is sometimes for too long, although he wasn't this weekend. Uh, just very good.
00:24:14
Jarrod Dyke
And so it's like, uh, what do we, yeah, Jenna played really well.
00:24:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:24:19
Jarrod Dyke
He's 20, 21 damn good for him.
00:24:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Damn. I was waiting 20... Then realized that there was nothing coming after the 20, and I'm like, oh, wow.
00:24:30
Jarrod Dyke
um No, he's 21, but still like, still like right there.
00:24:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay. Fine. Oh, 21. Okay.
00:24:37
Jarrod Dyke
Um, yeah, no.
00:24:40
Grumpy Old Prop
20 and...
00:24:42
Jarrod Dyke
and a half.
00:24:42
Grumpy Old Prop
20 and... Yep. Christ.
00:24:47
Jarrod Dyke
Just about. So ah yeah, yeah. Earned place for Clamont, good for them. They, you know, we i talked about we talked about before, this is kind of their comp, they they like this, stuff they like this competition.
00:24:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:24:59
Jarrod Dyke
So not shocked that.
00:25:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Bristol, as you said, Bristol, get there.
00:25:04
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, they're They're still getting used to this competition. They're obviously very used to the prem at this point, but they're still getting used to this competition, the ins and outs, how to be successful and how to piece together a full campaign of Champions Cup rugby.
00:25:18
Jarrod Dyke
It's, it's hard.
00:25:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:25:20
Jarrod Dyke
It's, it's not, it's not, you know, even the veteran teams are fucking it up as we'll talk about in a little bit here. Like not news.
00:25:27
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, speak of the devil. We'll talk about this one. Let's go to Italy.
00:25:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:25:33
Grumpy Old Prop
but
00:25:34
Jarrod Dyke
Forza Benetton.
00:25:35
Jarrod Dyke
Oh my god. I was so happy for this for this group.
00:25:35
Grumpy Old Prop
ah
00:25:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. I mean, good on that. I mean, that's a, you know, that's a solid group right there. No, no question about it. And I think they've, they've been a little hard done in this competition. Um, but to beat the team that they beat even at home is, uh,
00:25:56
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, they beat Jack Knowlstein. No, I mean, that's.
00:26:00
Jarrod Dyke
Nobody's ever done that, right?
00:26:01
Grumpy Old Prop
so No, that's the sorry, I shouldn't even brought him up. um Not when I could bring up, you know, Audrey Carr Barlow, you know, has always been solid like these. These are Dylan Lee, like these.
00:26:12
Jarrod Dyke
Boudinot, yeah.
00:26:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, although left for a little bit, Doulan left early, like, yeah, there's things about it. But at the same time.
00:26:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Go, they needed this, they really they just needed
00:26:27
Grumpy Old Prop
something awesome to go their way. And and this certainly does the trick.
00:26:32
Jarrod Dyke
Really, if if ah if Italian rugby wants to prove that like there they are on the up, which we which you and I both believe firmly, this had to be one of the things that happened. And no, this whole team isn't Italian, but you look at the majority of the team, it's Italian.
00:26:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:26:50
Jarrod Dyke
Not the whole thing. Yes, there's some there's some other internationals that chucked in there.
00:26:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. but I mean.
00:26:55
Jarrod Dyke
Ronald Smith is obviously an import, but still, you know, Gaggio is obviously Argentinian.
00:26:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:27:02
Jarrod Dyke
So, you know, Eli Steinman is not is not but very much not Italian, but
00:27:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. No, probably not.
00:27:08
Jarrod Dyke
I mean, the back row that they put together here for this game and that this is without Lamaro, by the way, um, easy core, uh, Zulani and Lorenzo can only use definitely the better for the two canonies.
00:27:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. He was on the bench, but yeah.
00:27:19
Jarrod Dyke
Let's be honest.
00:27:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes.
00:27:20
Jarrod Dyke
Um, Oh, the other one scored this, this game. Um, yeah, I, yeah, it's true.
00:27:24
Grumpy Old Prop
But no, no, no, that's not, that's not a thing. Like, Nicole is good. but Lorenzo's very good.
00:27:29
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah. Play the mattress game.
00:27:35
Jarrod Dyke
And, you know, we, we do usually say the team that scores the most tries wins, but also if you can't bother to maintain your fucking discipline with a guy like rhino Smith, who's got a horse leg for, you know, attached to his, you know, the right side of his hip, like, yes, you're going to pay for it.
00:27:43
Grumpy Old Prop
mu
00:27:52
Jarrod Dyke
And he's, he fricking had a brain fart and and let the clock run out on one of them. So that says everything you need to know about how ill discipline La Rochelle where was I,
00:27:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, right.
00:28:04
Jarrod Dyke
crazy about every time they went for goal. I was like, no, this was my team. I'd be losing my mind. I'd be like, no, get your ass into the corner, please. But in the end, you know, they showed a ton of character and a ton of grit and got it over the line.
00:28:17
Jarrod Dyke
So yeah, good on bad 10. Well done to them and fricking burger Moscow. Yep. Or, um, excuse me, borderline. Excuse me. Um, right.
00:28:28
Jarrod Dyke
Right nationality, wrong person.
00:28:29
Jarrod Dyke
Um, yeah. good on him and good on the and good on those guys. That is absolutely amazing. And frickin Oh, God is gonna look like crap by his his wounds here.
00:28:30
Grumpy Old Prop
but Yeah.
00:28:45
Jarrod Dyke
And then let's go to me on that to spend too much time at the Viva here, like ah super disappointing from bath like Europe.
00:28:59
Jarrod Dyke
You're up and then you don't score a point. Like, man, what was happening here?
00:29:11
Grumpy Old Prop
I feel like they kind of just, like, it just stopped. I mean, it, you know, it was long before. wall of Yeah, because it was even before it was well before the let's see what um was the, yes I mean, they had a great seven minutes.
00:29:28
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:29:30
Grumpy Old Prop
And then I think they were like, all right, we're good. And I think, again, It goes to, I think the coach's mentality of, okay, just get a lead. Now we just sit a little bit on it. Like there's not, and we'll just continue putting pressure on the team until we get the ball back. And then we, like, that's how we, like, it's kind of like another team we'll talk about, you know, we don't, we don't have to play with the ball at this point. We'll we'll just, you know, go through some motions, kick it away and make, you know, maybe see if we can change field position and then whatever. Maybe the other team will make a mistake. The problem is.
00:30:07
Grumpy Old Prop
that might work you know a way to exit her it's it's not going to work away at that lens at the view like it's just not yeah you have to like put your foot down and and hold it there because you know
00:30:13
Jarrod Dyke
Right. Well, no, no, no, not a team trying to fricking finally grab their fifth star. Like, not forget it.
00:30:36
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Yeah.
00:30:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, you got to keep scoring and it it just, you know, didn't happen.
00:30:40
Grumpy Old Prop
and Yeah.
00:30:40
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, sitting on two point in lead is not really advisable.
00:30:44
Jarrod Dyke
especially like, and we know, we know freaking lens just got a dirty bench. Like you have to understand, you have to look at that and be like, all right, we need to be as far in front as possible before the bring bring they bring these motherfuckers on. Like Gus McCarthy, who just got capped this year. And he's looking good. Healy, who we know all about Clarkson again, kept this year. He looks really good. Snaming. Hello. Doris, who's probably going to be the lion's captain, like McGrath, who's been there, done that. Ross burn again, been there, done that. Jimmy O'Brien, who's going to be a big part of the island's future. like Dude, look at that and say, all right, I need to get as far ahead of these assholes as fast as I can.
00:30:44
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:31:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
00:31:21
Jarrod Dyke
Like, it can't be that easy. It can't be, oh yeah, um I got a two point lead with, I mean, even statement decide, no, no, no, mine.
00:31:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:31:28
Jarrod Dyke
Like, come on, dude. Come on. It's not hard.
00:31:33
Grumpy Old Prop
um But also, I will say, yeah, I mean, it's not easy.
00:31:34
Jarrod Dyke
I mean, it is, but apparently it is.
00:31:38
Grumpy Old Prop
It's not like what we're saying is like, Oh, yeah, anybody can do that. No.
00:31:41
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:31:42
Grumpy Old Prop
But you could already proved it again, seven minutes you go up 14 nothing. and Just just keep that attack. Keep doing like, literally keep doing what you're doing.
00:31:50
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:31:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Don't change anything.
00:31:53
Jarrod Dyke
Nope.
00:31:54
Grumpy Old Prop
And I feel like they did. I feel like they they kind of buttoned it up a little bit. um And then there's the yovanni Obama Obama Obama yellow, and then the Obama red at first off, I saw some some
00:32:03
Jarrod Dyke
bottle of red.
00:32:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, one of the, some certain hack pundit, um, Twitter or so person saying that like a scrum yellow shouldn't like that.
00:32:20
Grumpy Old Prop
There's got to be something, some way to make that not be a red. Cause like that kind of sucks. It's a scrum penalty.
00:32:26
Jarrod Dyke
It does.
00:32:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Like you're yellow and I know it has to go to red. Um, but it's yeah, it's just out of the rough game for Benno.
00:32:31
Jarrod Dyke
Don't get the first yellow to begin with.
00:32:36
Jarrod Dyke
That's where I'm that's where i'm at.
00:32:37
Jarrod Dyke
Don't get the first yellow to begin with.
00:32:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:32:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:32:39
Jarrod Dyke
you know
00:32:41
Jarrod Dyke
um
00:32:41
Grumpy Old Prop
No, I hear you.
00:32:42
Grumpy Old Prop
I think that's I don't think you're wrong. um I just think especially because scrum penalties are so subjective. That um unless you see it like completely obvious.
00:32:53
Grumpy Old Prop
um Yeah, I don't know.
00:32:56
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I'll agree with you there.
00:32:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Maybe is his refs are so bad about like refs cannot, you know, as we know, refs can't um refer you can't referee a scrum. So they may have been right to award a yellow against a team. But then to see like, okay, no, it's you and you already have a yellow.
00:33:09
Grumpy Old Prop
So now it's a red.
00:33:10
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I think there could have been some consideration taken and just been like, you know, if you were, it's, they do it and they do it and they do it in soccer, football, where it like, sometimes a guy will have a, you know, a bit of a challenge and
00:33:11
Grumpy Old Prop
the Yeah. He said, okay. And we're going to make it the three instead. like Yeah.
00:33:26
Jarrod Dyke
They'll be like, listen, if you weren't already on a yellow, I'd probably give you one, but this is your last warning.
00:33:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:33:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:33:32
Jarrod Dyke
You know, that's one of those things.
00:33:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Well, to me, if I'm the ref, you know, again, just give the yellow to the three instead of the the one or, you know, just be like, go the other way.
00:33:38
Jarrod Dyke
yeah yeah to the ah All right.
00:33:40
Grumpy Old Prop
And, and you know, yeah, where the hooker, yeah, fine. Either way is fine.
00:33:47
Jarrod Dyke
Uh, let's go to the three o'clock window for that for Saturday. Um, As much as I want to talk about Ferrell and his first start for a while and him becoming triumphant, it didn't end up mattering much.
00:34:00
Jarrod Dyke
So, don't really want it. And Stormer sent the, you know, they sent their second string and didn't really put a whole lot, whole lot of good forward.
00:34:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:34:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:34:09
Jarrod Dyke
So, no none not a lot to talk about.
00:34:10
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:34:13
Jarrod Dyke
Quincy was a lot to talk about until like, yeah I don't know, 30 minutes in.
00:34:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:34:20
Jarrod Dyke
a little bit, a little bit after that. And that was about it. Like it's as you, as you and I were texting, like you pointed out like this game ground to a halt about 35 minutes.
00:34:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Uh huh.
00:34:31
Jarrod Dyke
And I was like, where, what what is going on here? Like this is neither of these team looks like the same team that I remember. What is happening?
00:34:39
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, you even look at, so like we're, so we, we've been using, um, kind of a new website for us as far as like using it to to navigate through these games, the the game or the match reports and whatnot.
00:34:52
Grumpy Old Prop
The key events for this one are like Cunningham South try Chisholm, try Smith penalty, Jordan try and penalty and and conversion.
00:35:01
Jarrod Dyke
Conversion and open even in the sidebar there No No, and you know Quinn's we're going for that That fourth try just couldn't get out of their own way to do it though.
00:35:03
Grumpy Old Prop
and That's that halftime. And then Marley Smith, there's like nothing going on here. in this game, it's like, as we say, ground to a halt, it actually like, you can see it ground to a halt on the and the match report. Like other ones, there's like, you know, penalty here, you like yellow card, like there's some things of interest happening here. There was like nothing wild.
00:35:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:35:30
Jarrod Dyke
Unfortunately
00:35:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Which I, you know, I i thought that the the penalty kick, Oh no, I said that was okay. Nevermind. I'm not going back on that. Cause it was what, there was like, they're up 14, it's 25 in, it's dead in front of the 22.
00:35:40
Jarrod Dyke
14 and it was dead in front.
00:35:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, just take the three and move on.
00:35:45
Jarrod Dyke
One of those ones you should hit shit faced.
00:35:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:35:48
Jarrod Dyke
And he did, but yeah, it's like, yeah and then you go back and I'm like, maybe we should have cut for five.
00:35:50
Grumpy Old Prop
right Right. Mark.
00:35:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yeah. If I could have one thing back, it might be, yeah no, that's fine.
00:35:57
Jarrod Dyke
Maybe, but hey, you know, that, yeah. So it it in the end,
00:36:09
Jarrod Dyke
It's a good win for Quinn's that they, they turned over a really good team in Glasgow and and held them to one try, which Glasgow has been scoring tries for fun, this competition. So, um, credit and they've been, we've been talking about Quinn's defense this year and how much better it is.
00:36:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, good team like that's. Yeah.
00:36:23
Jarrod Dyke
And clearly, I think this is a, another piece of evidence that says, yes, it's, it's clearly better.
00:36:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Solid dub.
00:36:30
Jarrod Dyke
Nope. Sunday was kind of wild, but also like, don't need to get into do it too much apart from probably one match, maybe two.
00:36:42
Grumpy Old Prop
ah One let's go with the with and with just the one match.
00:36:42
Jarrod Dyke
The Damien Pinot show happened first.
00:36:45
Grumpy Old Prop
We don't have to go with anyway Yeah That's
00:36:46
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:36:48
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. I mean, the Damien Pinot show happened and like and six tries. Oh my goodness.
00:36:55
Grumpy Old Prop
so I I left this game because I wanted to go grocery shopping ahead of Saracens and just wanted to be done for for the day and like like I put it like Right.
00:37:04
Jarrod Dyke
Mmm, it's also about to be a snowstorm that night. So Yeah Yeah
00:37:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, yeah, I'm starting at like four or something. So it was time to go um
00:37:14
Grumpy Old Prop
And like, you know, Pinot had a Haddie already, so I'm like, all right, cool. and And then I was like, yeah, that, you know, what do I need anymore? Because I'd also capted him for the ah fantasy, um for Super Russo, you know, good decision on my part.
00:37:31
Grumpy Old Prop
And then and I was like, yeah, cool, three for my captain, and then Jared's like, four. I'm going around the grocery store, I'm like, but five five, and they'd say, like, I was like, shut up.
00:37:36
Jarrod Dyke
Five. Oh, wait, six.
00:37:40
Jarrod Dyke
What are you kidding, dude?
00:37:40
Grumpy Old Prop
He's like, no, dude, he does he did that, like, oh.
00:37:43
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:37:44
Jarrod Dyke
Like the the passes he was giving away before he was like, nah, I'm keeping this one. but I was like, Oh my God. So yep.
00:37:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Wow.
00:37:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Didn't he do that last week? Was that the, didn't he threw threw it back into the 10? Was that him?
00:37:56
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Yep.
00:37:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, fuck's sake, dude.
00:37:58
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. No, he was, he was on fire. So yeah, that happened and the the the sharks were there too, but they didn't really show up. Even with their, the few guys that they had from the spring box, like, yeah.
00:38:12
Jarrod Dyke
And then, and I know they're, they've been hampered with injury.
00:38:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:38:15
Jarrod Dyke
I i get it.
00:38:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, it's, it's gettable.
00:38:17
Jarrod Dyke
Not telling me something I don't understand, but damn, like that is a fat score line again from Bordeaux. Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
00:38:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:38:31
Jarrod Dyke
Um, Don't need to dive into Toulouse Lester too much. Toulouse are really good. Lester aren't that bad. It's just a really tough day.
00:38:41
Grumpy Old Prop
No, this was like Lester played. Didn't play bad rugby. Um, this was just a day where you had to play great rugby just to stay in it.
00:38:53
Grumpy Old Prop
And they, they're not there yet. Although, um, did you hear, it you heard the news, right?
00:38:59
Jarrod Dyke
Adam Radman going to Lester immediately.
00:39:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm. Right. It was immediate.
00:39:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Um,
00:39:06
Jarrod Dyke
That is, I mean, obviously that that benefit that move benefits both. I also wonder if there's someone hurt for Lester because, or maybe just Brown's done and they're going to just send him back in, which is really the the move I would make.
00:39:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Probably. Well, I mean, Anthony Watson retired, but I mean, he was, he's technically on the, he he's played this year.
00:39:22
Jarrod Dyke
I wouldn't...
00:39:26
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, and they but they weren't going to... He played one or two games this year.
00:39:31
Grumpy Old Prop
He's just never healthy.
00:39:32
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I think he played like twice this year.
00:39:33
Grumpy Old Prop
So if I think it's, yeah, but he finally, wrote so I think that's, if anything, it might be cover for him, which I'm guessing they have a significant salary cap bump because of that, which would allow them to buy out.
00:39:36
Jarrod Dyke
Some silly number Yeah played more Watson played more than I thought this year Yeah, yes Watson did play five times this year and he started all all the games he was in so I gave him credit for that
00:39:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Radwans deal. Yeah. All right. It all, it all, it all fits. And tell Brown to go home because he's useless now. Sorry. Love you guy, but yeah.
00:40:05
Jarrod Dyke
Um, way underestimated my fault. But anyway, yeah, they were there. Yeah. Those are really good. And they were pissed because they knew they weren't making top four of the whole comp because they knew they were going to win their pool.
00:40:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Right.
00:40:21
Jarrod Dyke
And so they were just like, they just took it out on whoever it was.
00:40:23
Jarrod Dyke
And it happened to be Lester. Sorry, Lester.
00:40:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, sorry, you're here, you're meat.
00:40:29
Jarrod Dyke
Just about.
00:40:32
Jarrod Dyke
Oh,
00:40:33
Grumpy Old Prop
And then sail too long, because that's the only game left to talk about.
00:40:39
Jarrod Dyke
where I wish. I wish I I.
00:40:43
Grumpy Old Prop
I will say, it's it's matches like this that make me not want McCall to coach this team anymore.
00:40:49
Jarrod Dyke
No, I and I wholeheartedly agree and you know, I called into question whether or not. He should be around for much longer if he's going to continue to do this, like what ah what I want to leave completely in this.
00:41:06
Jarrod Dyke
calendar year for rugby is you have to play X during this competition and you have to play X away from home. Like even rewind till last week when we played Monster and played like absolute trip and trash.
00:41:17
Jarrod Dyke
Like I don't care ah about where I am. I want to play a rugby and the people that are just like, no, you have to.
00:41:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Mmhmm.
00:41:24
Jarrod Dyke
I'm like, you only have to if you put it into someone's fucking brain, dude.
00:41:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:41:30
Jarrod Dyke
And so what happened with us on, and we talked about it previously to with Leinster, but this is like more so to a fault or a bath rather against Leinster, more so to a fault.
00:41:43
Jarrod Dyke
Like you've got the shags from a team that doesn't win from away from home, basically ever. And you're, yeah, we're up seven. That is not an insurmountable lead by any anybody, especially when you got a guy like Arata hanging around the fucking park.
00:41:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:41:56
Jarrod Dyke
Like what the actual fuck boys, like this is so horrible and it makes me ashamed, to almost ashamed, And yes, ashamed to be a Saracen supporter.
00:42:08
Jarrod Dyke
And I'm like, what the fuck? Like, this is not the team I fell in love with.
00:42:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Because. No, I'll tell you, this is this is where it gets me. And this is why I kind of somewhat understand where he this dude is coming from.
00:42:22
Grumpy Old Prop
um The Saracens are playing a lot like Exeter, except they've got better players. Like they can actually throw it around when they want to and do good things when when they get the chance to. But I feel like the coach takes it away from them. Like the thing is Exeter, you you get some of them in space. They can't do shit because they're all locked. They're all like kind of rumbling, stumbling guys. They're not world beaters. They have like two or three guys who can actually run.
00:42:52
Grumpy Old Prop
And everybody else is just like me. And it's like, you you're gonna, you're gonna use that. You're gonna have Maro Itoji, Theo Dan, as we saw, Ben Earl, Gonzo, Tom Willis, um Shagan, you're gonna have these guys and use them like Exeter uses their players, rather than let them do what they're good at and win a game.
00:43:21
Jarrod Dyke
Uh-huh.
00:43:21
Grumpy Old Prop
like, you you're you're really bottling them up significantly, you're not letting them play rugby, as you said, like, they didn't get enough opportunities to do that.
00:43:33
Jarrod Dyke
No, and...
00:43:36
Jarrod Dyke
Dude, and it's like...
00:43:37
Grumpy Old Prop
And, and the guys who do like, oh, give it to give it to daily, and watch him just chip it through again, instead of pass it, like, yeah,
00:43:38
Jarrod Dyke
It's one of those things where...
00:43:44
Jarrod Dyke
Or try and carry it when he doesn't need to carry it, like... Yeah daily how the hell he made the angle to you. I even got a clue um Tom Parton you can come back by the way Here yep agreed Yeah Absolutely
00:43:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:43:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Please. I don't know what whatever they did there, they fucked that up. They that was bad. But that's the other thing is it calls me into question like, maybe Tom Parton was like, they, that you know, if if you can't find a ah space on your team for Tom Parton, such that he has to leave, you're doing something wrong. Because the guys can pull the guy can play. But you got to let him do it. You got to we've play to his strengths a little bit. But if that's mismatched,
00:44:20
Grumpy Old Prop
and if you mismatch with him, you're doing something wrong.
00:44:23
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah. With him, especially.
00:44:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:44:26
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Super talented guy. You know, and it's like, it's almost like I felt like they resorted to tactics I might resort to with my team.
00:44:38
Jarrod Dyke
The difference being this is a professional team in the best competition in the world. And I'm coaching a high school team in the United States, which is definitely the shit show of rugby and in many ways. So i I'm doing what I do in those in those cases because I know there's gonna be some poor sap that's gonna find a way to fucking bottle that ball and be like, yep, give it back to them. Like, great, that's why I'm doing it because I know you're gonna give it back to me.
00:45:06
Jarrod Dyke
This is not that team, guys. I know, and and it was funny they were talking about the broadcast, which and I had half in my head. I was like, yeah, but French do one of two things.
00:45:17
Jarrod Dyke
They either bring it all together or they leave it all at home. There's no in between.
00:45:20
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:45:21
Jarrod Dyke
And I was like, yeah, that's true.
00:45:22
Grumpy Old Prop
That's true.
00:45:22
Jarrod Dyke
I'll give them that. But you can't bank on them leaving it at home. like like this Some of these guys are probably playing for contracts.
00:45:33
Jarrod Dyke
you know like ah why Why would you even chance that?
00:45:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:45:36
Jarrod Dyke
and Put the ball in hands of our best players, let them do the work, find space, and if there's no space, then all right, yeah, frickin' chip to the corner and make sure that they end up by the five, not by the 22.
00:45:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Mhm.
00:45:49
Jarrod Dyke
Like, we all know coff those coffin corners are a bitch to get the hell out of. Great, let's do that. And yeah, you know, make sure that...
00:45:59
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, and then... and um I won't use injuries as an excuse because it we have so many good players that should be available that it doesn't matter and I'm glad Angus Hall is getting time and You know, it just sucks that we're missing some guys, but it doesn't it also Yeah, and I'm guessing it was we won't see him for a little while though.
00:46:12
Grumpy Old Prop
hope Hope Toby's okay.
00:46:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Also.
00:46:18
Jarrod Dyke
That was just a really unfortunate incident for the fourth poor fella.
00:46:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Do you have a special guest on the pod?
00:46:24
Jarrod Dyke
Oh Hello, hello there kitty cat
00:46:28
Jarrod Dyke
and
00:46:29
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't know.
00:46:29
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't know if though the purring is coming across, but she just decided to, okay, good.
00:46:31
Jarrod Dyke
No, it's not, but it's still funny to see.
00:46:33
Grumpy Old Prop
She just decided to come in and start purring directly to the mic. So glad it doesn't pick it up.
00:46:38
Jarrod Dyke
and It's not as bad as the time she closed the laptop when we were watching the game.
00:46:41
Grumpy Old Prop
ah That was hilarious.
00:46:45
Jarrod Dyke
Ben and I, are watching this is the old days where we had to friggin' watch it by less than legal means, so and Ben's cooked his TV up to his laptop, and his laptop's sitting on his ottoman, which is right in front of the TV, but whatever.
00:46:56
Jarrod Dyke
So that laptop's semi-closed so it doesn't, yeah.
00:46:57
Grumpy Old Prop
But it was like mostly clothes so we can just watch the TV.
00:47:00
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, that way we're not like getting distracted with watching two screens and his cat comes over and looks at the both of us just before she's about to keep walking and looks at us and then steps on the laptop so it closes and turns the game off. You assholes didn't need this, did you?
00:47:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Ah.
00:47:21
Jarrod Dyke
oop Still won't forget that. but We'll never forget that for the entirety of my life. It was funny as hell.
00:47:29
Grumpy Old Prop
It was.
00:47:29
Jarrod Dyke
And we weren't even mad. We were both just like sitting there laughing our ass off like, I want to turn the game back on, but this is too funny.
00:47:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes, we had that coming.
00:47:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Like.
00:47:37
Jarrod Dyke
We couldn't control ourselves.
00:47:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, we had that coming. All right, fine. Like.
00:47:42
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, fair enough. All right. You do you. Oh shit, all right, let's go over to Salford.
00:47:52
Jarrod Dyke
I did not have this on my bingo board.
00:47:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Me neither, obviously.
00:47:58
Jarrod Dyke
Like Ben Curry doing actually good things in attack.
00:47:59
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:48:03
Jarrod Dyke
I was like, huh?
00:48:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Lies.
00:48:04
Jarrod Dyke
Are we sure about this?
00:48:05
Jarrod Dyke
This is the same person.
00:48:05
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:48:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, here's the thing. He is fast. There's no doubt about it.
00:48:11
Jarrod Dyke
There's never been a talk about that.
00:48:11
Grumpy Old Prop
He's fast. But like, he's never been, it's like, Okay. As I told one of my, one of my players who is large and fast, um, like anybody can run through for a try. It's, can you put other people through? Can you like, um, you know, create space for yourself and others. That to me is what makes a good attacking player, whether or not, you know, like I said, any, you know, like when I decided not to put a delicate, it's like any asshole can run straight forward for a try if they're fast enough. Like, okay. That's not.
00:48:47
Grumpy Old Prop
that don't impress me much.
00:48:49
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:48:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, show me, you know, because like, Johnny May can still do that. Like, great.
00:48:57
Jarrod Dyke
Playing for division two somewhere over in France.
00:48:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Jack Noah can still do that. Like, yeah, it's not, not anything that impressive. Do something, you know. and So to me, I need to see it like, a lot, not even more often, but I have to see a lot more and more often from Gary before I,
00:49:13
Jarrod Dyke
No, I'm, I'm, I'm totally in agreement. Like this is not, this is not changed my opinion of Ben Curry by any means whatsoever. It just means that he actually did something that shocked me a little bit.
00:49:20
Grumpy Old Prop
It's like he actually did something. Yeah, that's fair.
00:49:23
Jarrod Dyke
You know, I was like, wow, I can't believe you did that. Um, yeah. And really I can't believe Talon spit the bit the way they did. Like what the hell guys?
00:49:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Massive bit spit.
00:49:35
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. And it's not like they had a bad team named either. There was some fucking good players in this team and.
00:49:42
Jarrod Dyke
Where the hell they went, I haven't got a clue.
00:49:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:49:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, you know, like you, all you need to be in that cause it's Dan Bigger. See, I would've thought Bigger, yeah like I would've thought Bigger and Ben White would have, uh, had more fun with it. Cause it's like, they should know this team and know their weaknesses and, and you know, that this hasn't changed too much since they were around and Ludlum.
00:49:54
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm. Agreed.
00:49:59
Jarrod Dyke
Brubaisin was on the team too. Yep. Yeah. Some of these guys should have been able to say, all right, here's what we need to do to get the cadet to the easy.
00:50:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And Freesh to another extent, like you've got guys who've beaten sale on your team.
00:50:15
Jarrod Dyke
you know and
00:50:15
Grumpy Old Prop
But as you said, like French teams, if they don't show up, they don't show up.
00:50:18
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, sometimes they just totally don't show up. And sale took advantage of it. There's no question about it. they And they did what they needed to do. And they you know they did what a lot of people didn't have them paying to do.
00:50:29
Jarrod Dyke
If you placed a bet on sale, congratulations, you probably just had yourself a nice payday.
00:50:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:50:35
Jarrod Dyke
Payday!
00:50:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Don't spend it all in one place, Mark.
00:50:39
Jarrod Dyke
I don't know if he was able to place anything before he got to the stadium.
00:50:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I know.
00:50:45
Jarrod Dyke
Oh shit.
00:50:45
Grumpy Old Prop
We are. I'm sure he I'm sure he didn't. I won't tell them this is wink.
00:50:49
Jarrod Dyke
Wait, can I nod? ah All right. Um, superlatives outdid themselves.
00:51:01
Grumpy Old Prop
um I mean, Cormac, each is equal like a little bit. um
00:51:09
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Yep.
00:51:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Although, i shit, I mentioned him too early. Sorry. I meant more Tom, like Tom Seabrook outdid himself.
00:51:16
Jarrod Dyke
Also that, yep.
00:51:17
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm gonna go with with Seabrook on that one.
00:51:20
Jarrod Dyke
Um, I mean, keep credit where credit's due, Arata from cast asshole, but Ben Cherry, as we, as we talked about before.
00:51:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep. Yeah.
00:51:33
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:51:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Sure.
00:51:34
Jarrod Dyke
Um, the, and the entirety of the Ulster team, the entirety of Ayrton.
00:51:35
Grumpy Old Prop
The entirety of Benetton. and
00:51:38
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:51:38
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:51:39
Jarrod Dyke
Yup, like Rhinosmith in particular, but yeah, like, yeah, that's in for sure.
00:51:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yeah.
00:51:46
Jarrod Dyke
um Yeah, just in, I mean, we could give it to a lot of them other teams that just shithouse teams, but we won't.
00:51:55
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah I mean, I would also say, I would also say Bristol, like they, as a squad, they outdid themselves. They, they, like, they could have, they could have turtled a little bit here and they didn't.
00:52:04
Jarrod Dyke
Didn't know. Yeah. they That was not, that's not a fun place to go as many teams know.
00:52:10
Grumpy Old Prop
No, and they they they punt they tried to punch their way through it. Just came up short.
00:52:14
Jarrod Dyke
Nope. That's all right. Give them credit for the guts.
00:52:17
Grumpy Old Prop
But good credit. Yeah, that's to me.
00:52:18
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:52:19
Grumpy Old Prop
You outdid yourself.
00:52:21
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Shut the bed.
00:52:23
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, besides Saris.
00:52:27
Jarrod Dyke
Sorry, he's too long.
00:52:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Too long.
00:52:30
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:52:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:52:32
Jarrod Dyke
Um,
00:52:32
Grumpy Old Prop
um Glasgow to agree to agree to a degree.
00:52:33
Jarrod Dyke
Sharks to a degree, but I won't give them too much shit.
00:52:37
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:52:39
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Yep. Given that too. um And then, I mean, the referee in general was atrocious across the board.
00:52:39
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:52:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:52:47
Jarrod Dyke
Like I'm watching some of these.
00:52:48
Grumpy Old Prop
I do have two referees of of the to point out for the goodness reason.
00:52:50
Jarrod Dyke
I have, I have one, but like, like largely
00:52:55
Jarrod Dyke
There was some trash referees. I'm like, I don't even know, like, and I don't remember who the second chair was in the Quinn's classical game. He was right. Like Carrot came in from the side and nicked that ball.
00:52:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:53:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:53:06
Jarrod Dyke
I was like, I lost my shit if I was on the field. But like, there's no way that's legal.
00:53:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Right, right.
00:53:13
Jarrod Dyke
And like, uh, what's his face that was doing the sale game? Connecti, he's terrible. I was like, Oh my God, I would lose my shit if I had to use guys for my, for my match. Like goddamn, I'd eat them all alive.
00:53:26
Jarrod Dyke
Um, all right. So rough coach, young player.
00:53:31
Grumpy Old Prop
um The ref, so two of them point out ah first, Holly Davidson, how she managed Ulster, Ulster versus Exeter.
00:53:35
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. I had Ali down. Why that game going quick. I appreciate it.
00:53:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Uh huh. Yes. And she really was ah so authoritative.
00:53:43
Jarrod Dyke
I appreciate that.
00:53:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, she was good. Like, when I think it was a couple weeks ago, we we put in her out and and thought she she had a bit of a ah stinker for herself. So if nothing else, I also wanted to register that not only did she have a good week, but this is this is the level of of refereeing that I kind of expect from her at this point, like, do this.
00:53:52
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm.
00:54:03
Jarrod Dyke
Same. Yep.
00:54:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes, please. You're you're like,
00:54:08
Jarrod Dyke
This is what makes you better than most of the.
00:54:11
Grumpy Old Prop
And so it's funny that ah in in the in the email you sent over with the agenda, you you left on um Festivus, which is hilarious.
00:54:22
Jarrod Dyke
By accident.
00:54:23
Grumpy Old Prop
And this this feels Festivus Ian, because ah Ben Whitehouse um was but had the whistle for Toulouse Lester, which um kind of like like an appropriate match for him, a someone of his caliber.
00:54:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, and we give him a lot of shit, but I will say this is what I saw at least first half. Um, when it was clear who was winning the game. Ah, fuck.
00:54:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Sorry. I just had a charley horse.
00:54:54
Jarrod Dyke
adam boy
00:54:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Anywho, uh, it was clear who's winning the game till, until loose was going to walk with this. He's like, you know what? I'm going to make them play a perfect match. And like he gave Lester a little bit of, uh, like the rub on, on a lot of the calls.
00:55:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Like if anything was like kind of 50, 50 or you just kind of felt like it yet. No, like you weren't perfect there to lose.
00:55:13
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:55:14
Jarrod Dyke
This off, back up.
00:55:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Like I thought there were a couple of times like Lester just like reached right over the rock to steal, the to post the ball.
00:55:19
Grumpy Old Prop
He was like, yeah, whatever. like if you have Like whatever. Yeah. Play with the ball to go for it. Like do something, please. um And then like to lose would be like in a rock would kind of fall to their to the deck me big No, no, you were sealing off and it's like, you know what?
00:55:34
Grumpy Old Prop
That's fair. Like don't give him any benefit of it And I know the the scoreboard doesn't really reflect it but stuff like that keeps Keeps the game from getting chippy first of all um And and it also like is it keeps it kind of fair It's like, you know, if you're gonna but it also makes that to lose scoreline that much more impressive They played such a fucking perfect game
00:55:45
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm.
00:55:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, you know, like Lester, I feel bad, like that it wouldn't, I don't think there's anybody, I don't think you' there's, there's international teams who would not stand and in on those tracks.
00:55:57
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. It didn't matter who it was. Honestly, I think this was going to be a really funny looking score line for a lot for no matter who.
00:56:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, yeah.
00:56:14
Jarrod Dyke
No, it was tough. Stuff with them. I can understand why Lester pulled Paul hard as well.
00:56:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:56:20
Jarrod Dyke
I think they pulled him at half.
00:56:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:56:21
Jarrod Dyke
They knew this game was way gone.
00:56:22
Grumpy Old Prop
It was close. It was early.
00:56:23
Jarrod Dyke
Like we are not risking this guy right now.
00:56:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:56:25
Jarrod Dyke
No way. No fucking way. So don't blame him one bit.
00:56:28
Grumpy Old Prop
And, um, but I, you know, Whitehouse, I thought that would, he, he grafted the way I would want. They came like that to be raft. So, um, well done to him.
00:56:34
Jarrod Dyke
Fair. Young player.
00:56:40
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, that, that's where Cormac is a Chuku comes into play.
00:56:43
Jarrod Dyke
Is it true clue? Yeah. Yeah. I went with, um, the nine from, uh, Claremont, which I know.
00:56:51
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm also also a great pick.
00:56:53
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. There were, there was, there was actually a nice bit of selection problem for this one this week. So I appreciate that about this.
00:56:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Because I almost would have gone. so This is where I had Seabrook here, too, but like I was switching players around, but.
00:57:04
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm.
00:57:08
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. This is a true clue. Very appropriate.
00:57:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, Seabrook, but he's he's been around, as we've we've said, he feels like he's been around for like 10 years, so.
00:57:13
Jarrod Dyke
I know. Can't imagine.
00:57:14
Grumpy Old Prop
um But is a juke is is kind of new to us, so.
00:57:19
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, go with we're going to go with that.
00:57:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Going with him.
00:57:21
Jarrod Dyke
um Coach.
00:57:26
Grumpy Old Prop
um So it' it's the two teams we've been talking about. It's Richie Murphy and it's Bortolome, like Ulster Bennington, like, yeah.
00:57:31
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm.
00:57:34
Jarrod Dyke
Yep, I bought a lot me done.
00:57:39
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, just absolutely amazing. Yeah. You know, there there, there were other coaches that put things in place for, for bad time in particular, but still like.
00:57:39
Grumpy Old Prop
but yeah that's That's a reflection of the coaching right there to me.
00:57:53
Grumpy Old Prop
but You're there when it happens. Like, I don't know.
00:57:55
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:57:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, I don't know what else to say.
00:57:56
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. and And well, and you know, cause there's still guys that can tell then can have, you know, the perfect gameplay and put, yeah, exactly.
00:57:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, because it's not you can't just can model it.
00:58:03
Jarrod Dyke
And just find a way to fuck it up too. So it's not entirely a given because someone set you up well that you're going to be able to crush it.
00:58:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:58:10
Jarrod Dyke
Like.
00:58:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:58:12
Jarrod Dyke
There are many a player and and coach who have found ways to fuck shit like a shit up like this.
00:58:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:58:17
Jarrod Dyke
So that wouldn't be the first at all. Well, yeah, well, um excuse me, loads of good to them, for sure.
00:58:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:58:25
Jarrod Dyke
All right. um
00:58:26
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, that's a solid tea opponent. Like you, you don't just, it takes the full team and the coaching staff to prepare for the preparation, all that to win a game.
00:58:32
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, again, it's one thing where you talk about too long who've who've won three times, but those that was,
00:58:36
Grumpy Old Prop
I guess La Rochelle, like anywhere.
00:58:42
Jarrod Dyke
about 10, 10, 12 years ago. Now law Rochelle are very recently double champions.
00:58:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:58:47
Jarrod Dyke
Like this is not a cake walk by any means whatsoever.
00:58:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:58:50
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:58:50
Jarrod Dyke
Yes. They're missing a couple of guys, but you know, when you have Gregory Aldridge line it up at number eight.
00:58:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:58:56
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Okay.
00:58:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, anytime yeah that's happening, you're you're playing a serious game.
00:59:01
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. That's going to be a tough game. You know, we need Antonio in there.
00:59:03
Grumpy Old Prop
And yeah.
00:59:04
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Yep. Yep.
00:59:06
Jarrod Dyke
Have fun. Caraballo obviously is one of the more underrated, well, not underrated, but still, you know, in the shadows of other nines because he's, because of his age and because there's another guy in France that plays pretty well at that position too.
00:59:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:59:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, he is.
00:59:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, because his name is not it's on DuPont. like ah Yeah.
00:59:21
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, but still but a very good nine unquestionably.
00:59:25
Grumpy Old Prop
He's like the. the, um, like Cobus Reinach, I think, and except different, different, maybe different strengths, but Reinach I thought was always underappreciated for, uh, when he was in the prem.
00:59:29
Jarrod Dyke
A little bit. Yep.
00:59:38
Grumpy Old Prop
And I think Kurt Barlow has been a little underappreciated for where he is, but they're both like amazing players who.
00:59:42
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm.
00:59:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:59:44
Jarrod Dyke
Agreed.
00:59:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Yada, yada, yada.
00:59:46
Jarrod Dyke
Uh, try the week.
00:59:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Simi Pam.
00:59:50
Jarrod Dyke
All right. Yes, I love it. I love it.
00:59:56
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it's a good pick.
00:59:57
Grumpy Old Prop
The prop hands and the speed. Excellent. Well done.
01:00:01
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, no, I love it.
01:00:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, anybody can look. Anybody can fall. Yes, you got um which i call the, call it? The player of the match. But Simi's one try was worth more than four of.
01:00:15
Grumpy Old Prop
um Shoot, what is it, Phillips? i Fuck, I lost already.
01:00:19
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it was, you yeah, good good ah again i'll like credit recruits do and ke it was.
01:00:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Fair enough.
01:00:30
Jarrod Dyke
It was a nice piece of skill that did not see it coming.
01:00:34
Jarrod Dyke
Did not see it coming. I don't think too long did either, which is why it worked.
01:00:35
Grumpy Old Prop
You'd like Ben Curry now.
01:00:39
Grumpy Old Prop
So you like Ben Curry now. See how it is.
01:00:41
Jarrod Dyke
No, I don't.
01:00:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Nehru president of the Ben Curry fan club.
01:00:43
Jarrod Dyke
Just giving people credit where credit is due. And then basically like pick one of any of Penno's six tries, and you can probably throw that in the ring too.
01:00:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yeah.
01:00:54
Jarrod Dyke
ah Play of the week.
01:00:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Well, you just said it.
01:00:56
Jarrod Dyke
Penno, yeah, duh.
01:00:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:01:00
Jarrod Dyke
You can't score six tries to not get player of the week, like come on, man.
01:01:01
Grumpy Old Prop
No. Sorry. It's like, who else has an argument there? Sorry, nobody does.
01:01:07
Jarrod Dyke
Not many, yeah. Maybe fill out some Bristol Bears, but that's about it.
01:01:13
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
01:01:13
Jarrod Dyke
um Yeah, sorry. Six is still more than four, so.
01:01:16
Grumpy Old Prop
No. Yeah. No.
01:01:19
Jarrod Dyke
Sorry. Sorry, young lady, that is not for you. um And then, particular week.
01:01:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Mark McCall.
01:01:28
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, yeah.
01:01:29
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm sick of it. I'm just, you're killing rugby.
01:01:33
Jarrod Dyke
With a shout to, rob was it Rob Little that handed Exeter their one fucking point that they were able to get in the standings? You dick.
01:01:43
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
01:01:43
Jarrod Dyke
Come on, man. I already don't like you now.
01:01:49
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, shit. Come on, dude. Um, but yeah, no, McCall's got to fucking pull his head out, head firmly out of his fucking ass.
01:01:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Clean
01:01:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Clean it up.
01:02:01
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. And can't go, can't go away in another egg this week. We'll talk about it a little, in a little bit here, but, um, Yeah, it is. It is pickup time.
01:02:13
Grumpy Old Prop
It is. Back to the prem.
01:02:16
Jarrod Dyke
Yes, back to the pram for one week.
01:02:19
Jarrod Dyke
Likely no England players.
01:02:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:02:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh.
01:02:23
Jarrod Dyke
um Unless someone gets a it's a hall pass.
01:02:27
Grumpy Old Prop
That's true. That's true.
01:02:29
Jarrod Dyke
Like Slade get a hall pass that one week, I was surprised.
01:02:33
Grumpy Old Prop
I won't I thought that was gonna be a meaning that he wasn't gonna play who knows there's no such luck no no you go
01:02:39
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, me too. No, no, no, no, no, I stay. Good. No, I keep job. Shit. All right. Um, Quinn's are there Friday.
01:03:07
Grumpy Old Prop
I still got the quins. I think especially without the England players, that's going
01:03:08
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Yeah, that's a lot. I mean, there's a bit obviously missing from Quinn's, but like, it's gonna be like probably Hutch and Litchfield in the midfield and the, whatever the, whoever the kid was that started up when I went to Bristol before automation, it's like, yeah, it's gonna be that.
01:03:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
01:03:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, but you still have truck, you'll still have um Tom James and you still have, yeah.
01:03:32
Jarrod Dyke
they'll They'll still give it a go. There's no question about that.
01:03:35
Grumpy Old Prop
And then you get the other side, yeah, it's really, I mean, right.
01:03:39
Jarrod Dyke
It's no Marcus, but they have Jared Evans. So who's proven to be a okay operator at least.
01:03:42
Grumpy Old Prop
and All right. Right.
01:03:45
Jarrod Dyke
So, yeah, that's, I know.
01:03:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, James Chisholm's been playing pretty well. You still have, you still have some decent.
01:03:51
Jarrod Dyke
Will Evans should a full, get a full, full run this game as well.
01:03:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:03:55
Jarrod Dyke
So yeah, good luck.
01:03:57
Grumpy Old Prop
So anyway, I still got quints because they're at home.
01:03:58
Jarrod Dyke
Um, yeah. Yep. Uh, cluster Lester.
01:04:04
Grumpy Old Prop
I went to in an advance of the weekend, send my sincerest condolences to the cherry and white um and their fans for what I think they're about to witness. Um, cause I think last are going to be fucking. Yeah.
01:04:22
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
01:04:22
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I think so too.
01:04:25
Jarrod Dyke
And and and Paul, I'd still be in the team, along with a a couple other guys, just makes it for me.
01:04:25
Grumpy Old Prop
pahe
01:04:30
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah Right.
01:04:34
Jarrod Dyke
Ship bags and Saracens.
01:04:38
Grumpy Old Prop
This one is going hard overhead in St.
01:04:38
Jarrod Dyke
Please don't follow those guys.
01:04:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Saracens.
01:04:42
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, please don't follow those guys.
01:04:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Please don't.
01:04:45
Jarrod Dyke
Please. Please, please, please. I'm asking nicely. I need you guys to play a rugby. You guys are more than capable of doing that and more like they're nine, 10, like the only person that's going to be missing is daily from the back line.
01:04:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:05:01
Jarrod Dyke
So that should be fine.
Player Availability and Team Analysis
01:05:04
Jarrod Dyke
Um, forwards will be a different issue, but at the same time, I think there's still plenty of firepower in there.
01:05:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:05:11
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. We don't know. They won't have jinx, but they'll probably go with Hatfield and Capelli.
01:05:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:05:17
Jarrod Dyke
That's the one thing I think we need to figure out is who the hell's going to play when the O'Dannon jinx aren't available.
01:05:24
Jarrod Dyke
Cause I don't love, yeah, I don't love Capelli and I don't love Hatfield that much either.
01:05:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, I guess we'll see.
01:05:27
Grumpy Old Prop
No, I still think Sarah's going to pull it out.
01:05:27
Jarrod Dyke
So no, I think they'll figure it out. They'll find a way to get over line, even if it's a last minute kick or something like that. Uh, sail bath.
01:05:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Bath.
01:05:41
Jarrod Dyke
Bath. Bath's going to see. I'll have a lot of guys away. I was surprised as many guys as I got picked.
01:05:48
Grumpy Old Prop
And Beth just have, they have depth.
01:05:51
Jarrod Dyke
They do. They do. They still have Thomas de Trois. They're still going to have Finn.
01:05:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:05:55
Jarrod Dyke
Ben Spencer should still be available, I believe.
01:05:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Yup.
01:05:59
Jarrod Dyke
Um, most, yeah, most of the backline. The only guy that's going to be missing is Lawrence.
01:06:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:06:04
Jarrod Dyke
Pretty sure.
01:06:05
Grumpy Old Prop
And I said, did it, did you want to go?
01:06:09
Jarrod Dyke
If he did, it was like a, it seems like one of the pups that they're trying to bring along, which yeah, I don't think so.
01:06:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. So he probably was going to be allowed to play. Even if you did, I can't recall. Um, probably not. I mean, that would make sense, but no, of I mean, we that's why it didn't happen.
01:06:21
Jarrod Dyke
Nope.
01:06:25
Jarrod Dyke
We're talking about Borthwick here. that Nothing makes sense.
01:06:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Yeah, no, he, so he didn't go.
01:06:29
Jarrod Dyke
He's already, yeah. We'll talk about it in the Six Nations preview next week, but yeah, there's a lot of problems going on.
01:06:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yep.
01:06:35
Jarrod Dyke
Bristol, Newcastle.
01:06:39
Grumpy Old Prop
I got out Bristol again.
01:06:40
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, that's that's that's a cake walker. That's what that we do.
01:06:47
Grumpy Old Prop
We need to learn how to score with, with burn at 10.
01:06:47
Jarrod Dyke
Okay.
01:06:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Here you go.
01:06:51
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, they'll be fine.
01:06:52
Grumpy Old Prop
like there There it is.
01:06:53
Jarrod Dyke
They'll be fine.
01:06:54
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Especially without Radway and and in Newcastle anymore. Yikes.
01:06:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Throw it up on a tee for you.
01:06:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, that's, I don't get it.
01:06:58
Jarrod Dyke
Yikes, yikes, yikes. I don't either. I but don't either leave it to Dimes, right?
01:07:06
Grumpy Old Prop
I whatever.
01:07:07
Jarrod Dyke
All right, cool.
01:07:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Look, he knows what he's doing.
01:07:09
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
Closing and Acknowledgments
01:07:10
Jarrod Dyke
So, so he says, um anyway, we appreciate you guys for listening to us.
01:07:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Just listen to him.
01:07:15
Jarrod Dyke
um We'll catch you guys next week. If you're heading over to fancy stuff, we'll talk to you there. Otherwise, ah enjoy the weekend and thanks a lot for listening. Everyone have a good one.
01:07:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Later.
01:07:24
Jarrod Dyke
Cheers.