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Jarrod Dyke: Hey everybody, welcome back. It is the Fancy Rugby Yanks Podcast. My name is Jared Dyke.
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Grumpy Old Prop: So.
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Grumpy Old Prop: Plus he's just a generally good guy.
Jarrod Dyke: There is no, well, yeah, I think, I think we can assume that.
Grumpy Old Prop: but By the way, I don't know um if you've seen ah Boston Calling and the lineup on, I think it's on Sunday, whatever the last day is, Spin Doctors are playing.
Jarrod Dyke: No. Mm -hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, ah
Grumpy Old Prop: George, come on, you know you want, you know you want to, you know you want to, George.
Jarrod Dyke: oh shout to that. Shout to that.
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Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: People don't be racist and don't be and an anti -semite.
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Jarrod Dyke: Covered it all, I think.
Grumpy Old Prop: um Yeah, if you if you have any opportunity to stop an ice raid or at least not let them in, don't let them in.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, there's plenty you can do to not do that as well.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: So there we go. Uh, make sure that you grab our Patreon. We appreciate everyone's support that grabs that. Uh, there will be, there'll be goods up there for our fancy, um, PWR stuff.
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Jarrod Dyke: We have lots to come cover first. First of all, um, TRN doing their their best to make up for their complete blunder so far this year with the PWR by giving us a double dose this weekend.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's been bad. And smart.
Jarrod Dyke: Nice of them.
Grumpy Old Prop: Smart because I think there were certain fans that we know. um We're kind of sick of it just being like, oh, whatever team, um you know, Alona Mars playing, the Bears are playing or, you know, she's on the Bears.
Grumpy Old Prop: We're showing the Bears, which.
Grumpy Old Prop: Look, I get it. I mean, some of us who went when if you're a child of the the 80s and 90s, as I was, you're used to seeing the Dallas Cowboys fucking on every every weekend, you just saw it.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh my Lord.
Grumpy Old Prop: It was a thing. um Sorry, that's kind of what the Bristol Bears are going to be right now. Just, you know, for the right now's. But it's bringing in fans, and that's the point.
Jarrod Dyke: Yes.
Grumpy Old Prop: There's no...
Jarrod Dyke: Yes, that is. Um, but we did.
Grumpy Old Prop: Anywho, she wasn't playing in this match though.
Jarrod Dyke: So now we'll talk about the first one, the first one's first year, Lester and, um, and, and Loughborough and just, uh, you know, an absolute absolute pacing by the lightning.
Grumpy Old Prop: She busted her face.
Jarrod Dyke: And, uh, yeah, there was some, as you suspect, there would there would be, there would be some good, good, uh, good works by the loft protein. They've come on lately. I think, I think everyone would agree as well.
Jarrod Dyke: So, and we talked about how this league's getting a little bit more competitive. Unfortunately, Lester didn't quite come up to the, to the stuff they did the week before.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, kind of, I honestly kind of let themselves down a little bit.
Grumpy Old Prop: Well, yeah, but I mean, it's still a little bit better than their their their match against Saracens. But it's still this was at home. This was, you know, not not the Saracens, not a bad team, mind you.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: um Yeah, they kind of let it happen. I just wonder if last um what I'm seeing is last week the Rockets were fired up bombs. And this week it's like, OK, kind of a return to normal like that was there like
Jarrod Dyke: Mmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Last week was their, you know, championship match kind of thing. Like, let's just, let's do it.
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: Let's show we can do it. And now it's going to be them not realizing that, oh, that's, that's how you do it.
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's how you, that's how you do it. You can't just relax.
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: You can't just be like, all right, well, we can, you know, we're not going to get up for this one.
Jarrod Dyke: No, no.
Grumpy Old Prop: You're going to have to until it becomes habit.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. And you can, it's funny to see like some of the numbers on this game too, like, really the penalties are the thing that bit the Tigers in the back on the backside for the most part. And because if you look at any of the lightning players in terms of their meters gain, none of them had none of them had over 100.
Jarrod Dyke: Not there were a few at 50 odd, not nobody over 60 even. But you look, you look at the penalties conceded like, oh,
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, yeah, they were just playing, because they were just playing in the lesser end the whole time, because it would, yeah, yep.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. And I'm sure there was some, you know, and, you know, we have missed tackles down here. Turnovers one were was also very lopsided on the other side. So while it doesn't look like much in terms of meters made, what's up?
Grumpy Old Prop: What was territory, um just close the tab. I was just closing the territory. Really, I mean, 46 % in Tiger's territory. that doesn't That doesn't feel right. Oh, no, I'm sorry, 54%.
Grumpy Old Prop: I was reading it the wrong way.
Jarrod Dyke: There you go.
Grumpy Old Prop: um Yeah, it still doesn't feel right. It still feels as though.
Jarrod Dyke: No, it still it felt like it feels like more, but I think it was more there. That's more down to the, um, Loughborough efficiency as well.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, that's true.
Jarrod Dyke: Get down there, score, and leave.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. work your way That's true.
Jarrod Dyke: Okay, we're done.
Grumpy Old Prop: after After the score, they had to work their way back in and that took, you know, 46 % of the time.
Jarrod Dyke: Later.
Grumpy Old Prop: that That actually, you know what? Tracks. yeah I get it.
Jarrod Dyke: There we go. We've solved the mystery of that game. Let's unpack the mystery of Bristol and Trail Finders. Like, wow.
Jarrod Dyke: the I mean, it was, if you haven't watched this game and you love rugby, go watch this game. There was so much to love about it.
Grumpy Old Prop: a whole lot, like just good, good rugby and trail finders just like I don't even know.
Jarrod Dyke: It was, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: I don't know, like just putting it on them. And, you know, Bristol, kind of for Bristol to for, you know, coming back.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: But like, this wasn't so this was not how it was supposed to go. Like, I did not have this on a video card at all.
Jarrod Dyke: No, no, no, no. I mean, I think the one thing we can kind of point out is Phoebe Murray having to play 10.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: That's, that's annoying. HSM was out with this game.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, right.
Jarrod Dyke: They still don't have ever read back. Um, that's kind of, that's kind of annoying, but it's, it's a load of credit, uh, trail finders and and the way they played and really they, they, they almost showed.
Jarrod Dyke: Bristol, a little bit of the way they probably should play just a little bit more. And we love Bristol for their attacking intent, but sometimes just wanting to attack out of that 22 does bite you in the ass. And it did it a lot. And really what happened with trailfinders is they kind of got to like around that 10 meter line of their own. And then they decided, all right, this is what we're going to play. And maybe a little bit before that, even. And otherwise they were just pragmatic and get the fuck out of their own end, which is the smart thing to do. Like.
Jarrod Dyke: I'm not like Mr. Privatism by any means whatsoever. I love a high -risk yeah type of attack, but there's still a point where you're like on neuron five and you need to say, maybe this one's not for us and bang it down the five fields, you know?
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, sometimes, you know, that's the way to go. If you, you know, if you want to play like, for but let's put it this way. The men played exactly the same way.
Grumpy Old Prop: um There's just a slight difference in level of opposition that allows the men to do that this weekend and really didn't work in in and the ladies favor.
Jarrod Dyke: Well, yeah, no, I mean Right Same same and even after Yeah, and even after they had to shuffle the back line a little bit after either lava bond or barley went down so they ended up going with
Grumpy Old Prop: Plus they're on the road. It was just not not the right not the right time to to choose that um that swashbucklingness. and i don't get I love a good swashbuckle,
Grumpy Old Prop: Sometimes you got to keep it in your pants.
Jarrod Dyke: um Fi Lewis at att nine and Cara Bevan at 10. Like, yeesh. That's ah it's a tough day. Tough old day for them. But you know yeah, there was a lot of, Millie David almost, this was the first rookie move I've seen Millie David make all season.
Jarrod Dyke: And she got away with it because there was no TMO, which fucking sucks.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: But like any other day, that is bad news.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: And I'm sure Dave Ward gave her an earful afterwards.
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean, I didn't say that there won't be sanction from the league anyway. I don't know. I just haven't seen.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, it was ah oh, it was just a ah she was trying to get the ball to the middle and almost got held up.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, I thought it was. I thought there was a i sorry. I thought there was a high hit. I could I.
Jarrod Dyke: There was there was but it was it was on her it wasn't against it wasn't like, she wasn't penalized it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Sorry.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, no, that that was not pretty.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's right. That's sorry.
Jarrod Dyke: That was not a pretty look either.
Grumpy Old Prop: I got all this confuzzled. It's been a long week.
Jarrod Dyke: You were backwards.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Um, that's okay.
Jarrod Dyke: You're backwards. It's okay. We know that's how you usually are we forgive you.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm not forwards, but no, except on the, except on the pitch.
Jarrod Dyke: You're backwards from your usual routine of being, being backwards.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, anywho. So yeah, she gets, that was like the first real rookie move I've seen her make with that. Oh yeah. I'm just going to like go through two people to get to the middle. No, no, no, no, just.
Grumpy Old Prop: And that's not her game anyway, like that's, that's, I mean. You got to know if it is or not. So good. Maybe maybe she is spending a little too much time around the loan and things. All right. I'm just going to run through it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, that's not your game.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: you're You're like your game, the perfect all up the that. Was it last week or the week before when it was a week before, I think, when she like cut in and just pin that defender and then just took the corner because the like, yeah, that's her game.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's her game is is go to space, not not run through people.
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: And but she's also got to learn that because you never know.
Jarrod Dyke: So.
Grumpy Old Prop: Sometimes some people can do both. and not the people you think they can.
Jarrod Dyke: Some people can.
Grumpy Old Prop: so
Jarrod Dyke: No, no, but yeah, and by the end, they Kate Zachary appear to have won the game, but the referee eventually called an obstruction on the kick, which I did i was looking at it live, I didn i didn't bother, I ended up getting a chance to rewind it and look at it again.
Jarrod Dyke: But looking at it live, I was not overly convinced of that decision. Didn't matter. Trailfinder said, you know what, screw this, we're still gonna win. And they did.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: got the hell we Got the held up at the end. So I'm yeah know ill full credit and loads of um guts to Trailfinder's women. The good news is for Bristol, they got a, they got a little bit of help anyway, because they were talking about it before they, if they don't want out, they're going to need help and go a little bit from sale of all places.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: I would, did not have that on my finger board.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. And from saris, for that matter, um, you know, the Quinn's, uh, no, no bonus points, um, eggs that are get one, but that's, you know, two is better than one.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. As well. I can't believe it.
Grumpy Old Prop: So that's helpful. They, they want out over some of their competition.
Jarrod Dyke: One, one bonus point over. you know, four points or five.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah yeah Yeah, that's helpful as well.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. There's that too.
Grumpy Old Prop: Well, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: so but So the bears are still in this fight and things are getting fun in this league going down to the wire here.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: still There's still at least one postponed game that's probably gonna need to be played. So I don't know how the hell they're gonna fucking figure that out.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I would assume that if Exeter lose by like a point, they're gonna like we played one last match. We got to fix that.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, they're gonna need to have a look at that if it if it's determined it wouldn't matter then they won't bother with it, but Because they've they've not but they've not had any postponements and they've not had their buy yet All
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, although it's it's wild that Loughborough have played 14 matches. Everyone else has played 13. Right. Yeah, it's hilarious.
Jarrod Dyke: right um Before we dive into the prem this weekend we have Some shit house tournament starting this weekend. I don't know if you've ever heard of it. It's called the six nations and
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean, how good can it be the US isn't even in it?
Jarrod Dyke: I mean, if we're going by that standard, it's probably better.
Grumpy Old Prop: but yeah
Jarrod Dyke: Be honest. Uh, it even involves the US. I don't care. I don't count for much. Let's be honest about that. All right. Um, we'll go team by team and you know, we don't need to go through every lineup the whole way.
Jarrod Dyke: England, I've already published that lineup. We'll start with them. I have such a gross feeling about, ah like I'm upset with rugby in general, not because I think rugby is bad. I just feel like rugby still, some people are still stuck in the old ways and they're rewarding. They want to reward shit house three, which I feel like is exactly what's going to happen with England. And they're going to shit house their way to maybe three wins, maybe four. And somehow it's going to be the same. It's going to be Eddie all over again. We're like, yeah, everything's fine. And.
Jarrod Dyke: They'll regret it next year when they get their ass kicked in the autumn and go, Hmm, maybe we should have done this before. It's like, well, you're kind of fucked now.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, it's just like, but the definition of insanity, you're keep you're doing the same thing over and over again.
Jarrod Dyke: Like way to go.
Grumpy Old Prop: And what you're Why would you expect different results? I mean, to, to, the to his credit, he's got Finn Smith and and not George Ford in reserve, but at the same time, like, why not?
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean, no, yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: I just don't like it. And then I don't like the, you know, Luke Cowan Dickie. Why? Really? We're actually going to start him.
Jarrod Dyke: Barbzilla.
Grumpy Old Prop: um And obviously the both curries. What the the why would you need a clone of this? Why do you need two guys who can only poach and really provide nothing else?
Jarrod Dyke: I don't even know if that's the answer. I think they just tackle.
Grumpy Old Prop: True.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. I'm not attacking bone in your body.
Grumpy Old Prop: No, not not even a little bit like You look who's who's, who's the runner in this. It's, you know, Ben Earl, Ellis Genj and George Martin.
Jarrod Dyke: Earl. and Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Those are your three that you're going to.
Jarrod Dyke: I don't even know if Martin's that much of a runner, honestly.
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean, he's, you know, he'll take carries. He's one of those, like, you know, i I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll have. But 10 carries for 20 meters kind of guy. Um, we're like, one of those is actually impressive.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: And then the rent, you know, two, maybe you're impressive and the rest are kind of like, okay. day viewers get like, and why do we need, what why do we need to see Henry Slade? I don't get it.
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean, obviously the if you've listened to us before, you this is this shouldn't be a shock, how we feel about it.
Jarrod Dyke: Uh,
Grumpy Old Prop: But look, I'm happy to see Freeman and Caden Murley out there.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: um I think Alex Mitchell and Margaret Smith will still make it electric in some way more than they have in the past.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: So there are a significant, like they have, you know, 12345 playmakers in that that back line, which that's honestly, that's a step up.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, but their, their game plan is. As such that and it's the game plan of a lot of really shitty teams right now where, all right, let's play defense and box kick the go ball away and then hope that our talent wins us the game.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Like if that's really what you're relying on, you're not going to, I don't think you're going to be Ireland and you're not going to be France. I don't care where the game is. I don't care the if the game's on the moon.
Jarrod Dyke: It doesn't matter.
Grumpy Old Prop: The thing is, too, if you're going to let your talent win the game, you've got to select the most talented players. That's that's bottom line. Otherwise, it doesn't matter, because if the whole idea is and my talents going to win the game, even when we play without the ball.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm -hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like you better be so much better than the opposition. Otherwise, like.
Jarrod Dyke: Which they could be from the, even from the team they picked or the, the squad they picked, not the team they picked, but from the squad they picked, they could be, but they're not.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm. Not the scene.
Jarrod Dyke: No. Nope. I don't see it. Like I think beard needs a shot. Besides Italy, I think beard beard needs a shot. um I'd like to see more of Slayton Roboc.
Jarrod Dyke: ah like to see more Honestly, I'm not overly impressed with Dingwall, but there's no way he's worse than Slayton.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: There's no way. You gotta be kidding me.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: And anybody that wants to sit there and defend Henry Slade, bring it on. I will challenge you to anything that you want because there's no way he's worth more than anybody else that could be in that shirt.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right and I'd rather see Ted Hill and then either of the um either of the currents Yeah What are they doing?
Jarrod Dyke: Please. Well, and they freakin they make Henry Pollock miss the game this weekend and then send him home as well. like Honestly, stick the kid on the bench.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like what are you doing? and Yeah Like that's how it should work.
Jarrod Dyke: Stick the kid on the bench. Get rid of one of the fucking clones, please.
Grumpy Old Prop: It should be you should have you should have Ted Hill Ben Earl and Tom Willis starting. And then you should have Chandler Cunningham South or Pollock on the bench.
Grumpy Old Prop: Actually, I don't know if you want to almost have...
Jarrod Dyke: I think you I think you get away with turning himself and park on the bench and put turning himself as 19.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's what I was thinking too, just now.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep, yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: And yeah, that way if you know if he's got to replace Martin or something like that, fine. I mean, Ted Hills played Locke too, so.
Jarrod Dyke: Yes, that's true. So yeah, you have options but
Grumpy Old Prop: But either way, I also wouldn't go a six -two. Just what the fuck?
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, that's six two.
Grumpy Old Prop: What the fuck?
Jarrod Dyke: So I don't want to I mean, I bet you the answer for a break glass in case of emergency if one of the centers gets hurt slide um is better than their current option right now.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah Yeah, I figured you, yeah, that's the other thing is why wouldn't you pick Lawrence at 12, Freeman at 13, and yet another runner out in the way?
Jarrod Dyke: I bet the house so I bet the house on that.
Jarrod Dyke: And yet another attacker on the on the width there. Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: Cause it's not like you have anybody not on, you know, actually like slight home even.
Jarrod Dyke: Agreed.
Jarrod Dyke: Yup.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Slight home on the way. Fuck.
Jarrod Dyke: Yup.
Grumpy Old Prop: Fuck. Yeah. I'd take slight home out there. I'd take roebuck out there.
Jarrod Dyke: Yup. Or Ro or Ro buck. Yup. Either or either or and I don't know. And so we're not we can point out that we're not super homeless.
Grumpy Old Prop: Or right.
Jarrod Dyke: Go ahead first.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Like, or even, even Oscar, even Oscar beard at 13, like you put, um, which he has played he's played and he's somebody that yeah you have.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. Yep. He's played well this year there. And I've had I've shat on him and I've now eaten my hat. So but
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, it's like, but you gotta play these guys. You gotta see what you got.
Jarrod Dyke: Absolutely.
Grumpy Old Prop: Cause like, you know, what you you know, like we know this team isn't good.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, you have to know you have to know by the time you're on the downslope to Australia.
Grumpy Old Prop: We know this team isn't good enough to win this match. Like we know it. It doesn't, they you don't even have to play the game. I know it. The only way this game changes for in England's favor is if Ireland get like a red card early.
Grumpy Old Prop: And even then, and they're doing the 20 minute red cards. for this tournament like even then it's not like a set thing like I don't know what it's gonna take now with with the the the laws the way they are I don't see this team winning unless something goes hard for for Ireland right
Jarrod Dyke: No, I know. Oh, shit house three.
Jarrod Dyke: Nope.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. The highlands have to go into a shell and just play like absolute dog shit. that And that's not a strategy.
Grumpy Old Prop: right no it's really not but it's worth a strategy which I why do I need to see what he's he's played yeah he has been awful unfortunately yeah
Jarrod Dyke: That's not a strategy. Um, it is worthless strategy, right? Just so we, it's very evident that we're not just a bunch of homers, like daily belongs, nowhere near the squad, but nowhere near, especially the last month he's played, he's been playing like crap.
Jarrod Dyke: So.
Jarrod Dyke: Like I would rather have Joe Carpenter or cocon a coconut singer. If you're, if you need a battery player, right.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah I'd much rather have Coke and a cigarette.
Jarrod Dyke: Either or i I'd accept both, but yeah, beats the shit out of me. Anyway, um, to France, I.
Jarrod Dyke: There's a lot of like, there's some, we, there's actually some young players that we were talking about during champions cup, um, jig, who's in this team, the cause of the kid is in this team.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm -hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Like I think Buddha Allen's going to end up playing, starting for this team. Like I, this is like the anti England, like there's there by hook or by crook, they're, they're putting guys in positions to, to play games that need game time.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Right. Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: like it or not, that's the way it should be going. And as much as that we want to shit on the spring box, they're at least trying that as well. So Mm
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. And their their team's getting better for it. Like overall, cause they know they all trust each other.
Jarrod Dyke: hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: They're all working with each other. They're all can like, they know who can do it and who, uh, you know, maybe needs a little bit more time or, or just doesn't, isn't quite up to the standard. And it's like, you don't know that if you don't play, like, do we know if Henry Pollock is up to the standard of international rugby?
Jarrod Dyke: Mm hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Not yet. But is that a reason not to play him? No, it's not.
Jarrod Dyke: Give him a taste. See what he does.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like I can figure it out.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I'm I'm glad to see. I'm off in here, the hooker from Bordeaux.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: He's been he's played a lot of really good rugby for that for that club the last couple of years and about time he gets there's no boogie. So that I think that's what it's is doing it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: But like, still, I think he's ah he's played really, really well and he deserves the shot.
Grumpy Old Prop: But hey.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: um
Jarrod Dyke: Rabastillamani gets a shot, even though he's playing for Webster.
Grumpy Old Prop: Hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: That is awesome. I mean, that's, doesn't get a shot. He's been around the block about a billion times, but that, I mean, that's, that's, that's, hey, that's good.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: But whatever. Like, why? Yeah. I mean, I'm just kind of interested in seeing how they French this.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, how are they going to fuck this up?
Jarrod Dyke: Do they, cause how they, how, well, how they French it lately is not really, they don't French it the way we used to, they used to, they, they buckled down and find ways to get it over the line.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: but Well, that's the only thing. Like, i yeah, I'm just saying, and do pawns back.
Jarrod Dyke: I mean, and DuPont's back.
Grumpy Old Prop: So fuck it. yeah Why are we even playing the games? ah
Jarrod Dyke: Freish in the squad. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I like that.
Jarrod Dyke: Lot to like about this. A Be very interested to see it.
Jarrod Dyke: Well, let's go to the Azuri.
Jarrod Dyke: More of the same, I hope, in terms of their trajectory. um a lot of the same names though, which is concerning certainly in the forwards, in the forwards.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, that's the other problem. It's starting to get like, You guys gotta either take the yeah, take the next step or it's getting a little stale um Look I Have all the respect and love for Sebastian nagri that he has earned which is massive amounts.
Jarrod Dyke: So I'm gonna get along on the tooth.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm -hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: I Don't know that I need to like I Think it's time to for to move on like he's not
Grumpy Old Prop: He's not what today's game is anymore. And that's hard to say.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: I don't, I. Fuck. I don't, I don't, I don't want it to come across as like cruel or anything like that. It's just.
Grumpy Old Prop: You know, five years ago, yes, that was what you needed.
Grumpy Old Prop: But, you know, I think you need more of the Lamara. I think even Vincent is a little bit too... I mean, that was probably because he plays for Exeter and that's how he's taught to play.
Grumpy Old Prop: But I think he's a little too physical instead of, you know... He apparently does have some speed. I like to see him use it more often, but he runs in tight too.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, same.
Grumpy Old Prop: The physicality isn't
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, he's asked to run to brick walls. You wonder, you wonder why he's not developing.
Grumpy Old Prop: so much the game anymore. and
Jarrod Dyke: No, it gets out of his. Got something much better up his sleeve. And ah while Karen Crowley did this, this team, a lot of good, you know, Cassata has already shown that he's willing to um do the things necessary to win games at international rugby in today's rugby world, which is, which is rewarding ah attack.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: right
Jarrod Dyke: Um, I like Pajarello. I think, that I think we'll see a lot of him. This, um, this tournament and there's no Alessandro Garvey. Oh, yes. He is there. So there he is. Wait a minute.
Jarrod Dyke: Am I missing something here? He's there.
Grumpy Old Prop: and but
Jarrod Dyke: So I think that's probably your, your, those are your two halfbacks. So your, your, your two nines. And then, um, Jesse, did he come from Zebra? I think, um, the one new kid on the block for the backs for the most part, at least.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah,
Jarrod Dyke: Um, and they really, they just need to keep what's so healthy.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah they really do.
Jarrod Dyke: You know, they can keep him healthy and yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: um I like seeing Garbisi on the squad, like Healthier too, and on the squad. um I feel like it's been a while since I've i've really seen him. um Wait, no, where's...
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was right. Guess he's from the Zebra.
Grumpy Old Prop: Hold on, was I... Fuck, I was thinking of someone else.
Jarrod Dyke: Who?
Grumpy Old Prop: Fuck.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's a different Paolo, but I can't fuck. Nevermind, move on.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, anything about Evani.
Grumpy Old Prop: We're moving on. I can't i cant remember. No, I'm thinking of... um but Who's the wasps? winger and center I haven't just haven't seen him in forever a dog woo him I thought he I thought he had gone to okay because I was like I thought he went to Italy so he could play with him okay that's a shame I hope so I really like was okay I just I yeah I miss him from the he was a hell of a player
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, oh, oh, Dogwoo. Yeah, no, I think he's hurt. I think he's hurt. He is over in Italy, but I think he's hurt.
Jarrod Dyke: I think he'd be in this team if he was healthy, because he was he was in the automations, if I'm not mistaken, so.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Uh -huh. Yes, no, and I think he needs to be unleashed, but I also think he needs to be healthy in order to be unleashed. So problem solved there.
Grumpy Old Prop: It is the most important most important ability is availability.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, always. um Ireland. I think they, if they get stuck in their own ways, and we'll see how it goes without Farrell, I think it's Easterby that's in charge now.
Jarrod Dyke: um if they get stuck in their own way, then this could be a ah bit of a slump of a tournament for them. I don't think it will be. They have too many good players. It really depends on, for me, for me it depends on how does Sam Pendergast go?
Jarrod Dyke: Because while I, you know, I gushed over Jack Crowley the other week and how good he was because he he played very well, to me, the best 10
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: if they're both on their game is Pendergast. And he's got that slick ability to just get the ball and all of a sudden it's gone and it's also gone a mile to the guy on the wing. And that ah that to me says a lot.
Jarrod Dyke: um Can they find the right spot for Karen Frowley?
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: They have a lot of young back three players especially. you know Can they integrate these guys in well?
Grumpy Old Prop: What would you want to slot him there? I don't know.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, can they can they get some of these guys to play Well, I still think I get rid of Connor Murray. Like that's, I, I hope for their sake, they are trying to and blades a little old too.
Jarrod Dyke: So that doesn't help them.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: You know, Craig Casey's hurt right now. That's probably the biggest annoyance the whole, for the whole thing, because really that's there.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: That's their guy. That's not named James and Gibson part that they probably liked too. Yeah. Blade's 30. That doesn't really help. Um, they have.
Grumpy Old Prop: He's got an awesome name.
Jarrod Dyke: I mean, yes. Yes. I'm not, I'm not arguing. Um,
Grumpy Old Prop: And for those of us who are um of of of the the um you know, trending towards older. I don't know if I probably, I'm sure I've mentioned it before, but I don't get the opportunity to say it very often.
Grumpy Old Prop: But um there was a game for the old Nintendo, the first NES called Shaolin Blade.
Jarrod Dyke: dip Yep. Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: So whenever I see Callen Blade, I'm like, I, yes, I think of throwing ninja stars at ninjas.
Jarrod Dyke: Good one. Good reference.
Jarrod Dyke: Good reference. Yeah. Good reference. Damn. Pulling one out your, uh, your backside there, but yeah, that's a good one.
Grumpy Old Prop: Every so often.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, yeah. So I, I think they'll still be fine this tournament. Um, but they, they, they themselves while having so lots of success do need to stare themselves in the fit in the mirror and say, all right, who's really getting along on the tooth here? And who needs to just go? Um, like Murray's one, I would argue that you and Bandiaki might be one that needs to, and and everyone's talking about how, how big he could be this tournament might be sell, but they, he needs to, they need to consider sending him, I think they're doing him a favor right now by putting him on the lions radar.
Jarrod Dyke: and trying to get him on that tour.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, just to be like, okay, you can retire now.
Jarrod Dyke: But really, that'll be, that should be his last major tournament, or his last major tour.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: what are Whatever, what have you. um And just like, get really, like yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Until it's Baba's game.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, and get, you know, get rid of like, James Ryan.
Grumpy Old Prop: But like, this it's it's also, yeah, yeah, it's also the um rather you get rid of them a year earlier than a year too late.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, let the Achukul kid go.
Jarrod Dyke: Always.
Grumpy Old Prop: And it's one of these like bondiaki, I mean, he's a great player and he's, you know, we've, obviously we've talked about like how he's what, you know, to a laggy was always considered to be. Um, but like, he's going to go from like fountain of youth, fountain of youth, fountain of youth somehow, who the hell knows how, who the hell knows how until all of a sudden it's like, like, um, Peyton Manning, when he just couldn't throw a ball more than five yards anymore.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, it's gonna be a cliff.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm -hmm. I remember those days. Old noodle arm, barely got it out of his hand.
Grumpy Old Prop: but yeah Bad. It was bad.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I remember that.
Grumpy Old Prop: And it's like, it's going to get, yeah, I just, I don't want it to get there for Bundy. I'd rather him retire. So we remember him for his business.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, that, that feels a little bit of a disservice to him.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: So hopefully not. Uh, up to Scotland. Um, again, the makings of a solid team that unfortunately I think he's just going to come up a little bit shorter than what they want.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, listen.
Grumpy Old Prop: They could beat any, but any, well, okay. No, it it hurts. Cause two Pilates out, but even with that, they can beat any team in this competition, but right.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: They can also lose to any team in this competition.
Grumpy Old Prop: They're just not going to do it often enough to win the competition.
Jarrod Dyke: They need to find consistency somehow.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I honestly don't know how they do it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: The two people that are being out gives them an opportunity to put some new guys in the midfield and and let them have a run. Stafford McDowell's a unit, the not Ben or Matt Curry.
Jarrod Dyke: Looks like he's going to be interesting. um So there's some options there.
Jarrod Dyke: Possibly checking king penis somewhere in that midfield as well.
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean, yeah, but that would that would mean Yeah, that would mean moving Hugh down to 12 and I don't I don't like that.
Jarrod Dyke: I know it's been considered, but I'm not sure that works.
Grumpy Old Prop: I like him a lot at 13 I'd almost look at hutch I Give it a shot.
Jarrod Dyke: No, I don't either. I think, I think they need to find someone that can play 12 and let Hugh Jones stay where he is.
Grumpy Old Prop: I know he's he's had his um Like he's I'd say he's a type of prototypical 12 he's not the the bundy aki like I'm just gonna run it down your throat 12 he's like that more like New Zealand style where it's like Your second, you know, a second first receiver, um someone who can like, you know, step in there, but also, you know, has a little bit of physicality, like, like a little bit of everything, like not enough of a first receiver to be a 10. Not quite powerful enough to just be an out and out 12. Not enough of a playmaker to be a 13 and not fast enough to be a wing, but like a good jack of all trades in there.
Jarrod Dyke: Possibility, yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: Which you work to, and I say that would work because Hugh Jones is so good in space. So you, you know, between, you know, the wings or the back three in general, taking the width, I think Hutch and and Hugh would work really well.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: But the fuck do I know?
Jarrod Dyke: That's a possibility.
Grumpy Old Prop: just a It's just my my thinking after a beer.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. We'll see. I think we'll see Jamie Dolby a little bit. I hope we'll see Jamie Dolby a little bit for this, for their sake, you know, Ben white and George horn are both getting up there and age as well.
Grumpy Old Prop: Probably. I mean, you won't, you don't want to rely on hutch. Isn't hutch over 30 anyway? Like he's not a long -term thing.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. Yeah, so yeah, um but, you know, Toby's a nine, obviously. So, but just thinking about their thinking about their half back situation, Ben white and, and horn are not the youngest, you know, so they are good.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, sorry.
Grumpy Old Prop: um No, but they're good.
Jarrod Dyke: They're, I'm not questioning that, but they they do need to have a look at it. Our buddy Fergus gets called in good for him.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: You know, New Zealand didn't want him. So let's go screw it. He's automatically eligible for there.
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean, and he's shown like he can be an attacking, like he's a good solid attacking 10 too.
Jarrod Dyke: So later.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, when they let him, the few times he's, he's let off the leash, he's done really well with it.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm hmm. Uh huh. Mm hmm. Yeah. And then, and again, the the problem for me lies in there.
Jarrod Dyke: And it's the place that you would hide someone that is not particularly skillful, but their their second rose, especially.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: um I think Cam, and I think Cam Henderson needs to play in this team. He's been playing so well for Lester, um really liking the way he plays.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah i agree because he can bring stuff to like you know um like johnny gray we don't need to see more johnny gray yeah grand girls really is uh who was on the team okay um who else am i thinking of there was a it was a
Jarrod Dyke: Um, yeah, just send grant coach, send grant coach on his way. Please do him a favor. ah No, we don't need to see, need to see that either. And, um, I think, uh, the Cummings wasn't this team, but they're letting him get hurt. So, uh, Scott Cummings, they let him, but he's hurt. So that's not going to happen.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, I thought he used to play for Exeter like a lot in her Sam Skinner.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, Skinner, he's not in this team.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. but And that's, but I think he's also kind of passed his, uh, sell by date probably.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, he's way, but he's way past that shelf life.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's just a shame because he was a fun player to watch. and I don't think he ever really got the crack that I would have liked to see him get.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. So we'll see. ah We'll see how they go.
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean, that's how long I felt like he deserves more of an opportunity.
Jarrod Dyke: um
Grumpy Old Prop: Even even today, I'm like, I would have liked to see him on the team. Because yeah, he might be old, but he still can do it.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. So maybe the second most talked about team in the six nations with the first being England, because it's England, um, being Wales, like gat is calling on some fucking war horses here.
Jarrod Dyke: Like some old war horses, uh, will grift, John, uh, will roll ins.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Right. Who? I think he can't play now. I think he's out.
Jarrod Dyke: What's up.
Grumpy Old Prop: I think Will Griff John is out.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh yeah. That's right. He came off injured. Didn't he?
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: You know, Wayne, right?
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Tulip a foul towel. like, okay, this would be interesting.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: um
Grumpy Old Prop: Roland still. I mean, shit.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, that's one I'm just like, ah what?
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: What are we doing with that here? Yeah, I think they're I think that's asking a lot of this team, honestly.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm. But I don't, I would hope that that's not, like, I hope that they are, and I, cause I have a lot more respect for Gatlin than I think most do.
Jarrod Dyke: I still don't believe in
Grumpy Old Prop: and uh excuse me there um i kind of feel the feeling like he might be using them just to be on the squad and lead the guys like give them something it's like people who've been there can help like impart wisdom for for you know for moments and stuff like that maybe talupi faltao is going to be a um just ah like a legendary water boy
Jarrod Dyke: Bless you.
Grumpy Old Prop: to go like talk to players when they need it, to help them get into the mindset or or see things that they need to see in the moment.
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: like I would much rather see that than see him play out there, to be honest.
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I hope for their sake. It's that. Yeah. Like, you know, even in the back line, like Roger Williams and Liam Williams, like, oh, and walk -in same thing.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. what I don't know what Liam Williams...
Jarrod Dyke: Like, ne yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: like I don't know what Liam Williams is doing on Saracen, let alone on this team. like
Jarrod Dyke: Uh, agreed.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah Give me like Josh Hathaway.
Jarrod Dyke: Agreed.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yes. I am excited to to see more him Yep, and how but then then how how does Llewelyn not make this squad like how is how is Lee?
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, give me all the Josh Hathaway that you got, man. No.
Jarrod Dyke: I don't know, or Winnet.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like what's what are you doing?
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I, and I know, and Costolo is out. So, you know, the, the, I'm not shocked that they didn't call on Anscombe, honestly. Like, as we we've been talking about, like you need to look forward, you need to find guys that are going to get the, that are going to get you to Australia, you know, and while, while whales are not going to.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: dazzle anyway, this tournament, maybe they upset a couple teams, we'll see. I think we all agree that they're not going to really light the world up on by any means whatsoever.
Grumpy Old Prop: thirty who Who do you think they're going to send with the lions?
Jarrod Dyke: On this team.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I could see Hathaway if he has a good tournament.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, that's true.
Jarrod Dyke: Williams possible, Thomas Williams, possibly. um I love Jack Morgan, I love a whole lot of Jack Morgan all day.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm -hmm. Yep Maybe Nicky Smith.
Jarrod Dyke: um
Jarrod Dyke: maybe Nicky Smith, I like Nicky, the way he's played since he's come to Leicester has been really, really good.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah Yep
Jarrod Dyke: um And there could be a bolter in there or two that I'm not thinking of. and And that's really it. That tells me like, yes, definitely everyone else like is playing for their life.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, you know who this team really could use is Lewis recent Yeah
Jarrod Dyke: You know, and really, he went and decided that he wanted to spend the next two, three years on a fucking practice squad. Idiot.
Grumpy Old Prop: I think he's out of contract now or, you know, he will be after the, whatever league year ends.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, well he good. Good, maybe he'll come to his fucking senses. Like the prime of your career, you gotta go do that shit. Ugh, idiots.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah Apparently he's making more money though.
Jarrod Dyke: Ask Christian Wade how that worked out.
Grumpy Old Prop: no Apparently he's making more money though.
Jarrod Dyke: I'm sure he's making a bit of coin. There's no question about that. i know I know the struggles of the sport and I'm not questioning that. So if that's your aim, all right, cool.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I get it, but like, you're not gonna do much. You're going to be sitting on a practice squad and pretending to play a sport you know very little about.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: This isn't going to do you a whole lot good in terms of, but hey, do you, but also don't be shocked when you come back and wonder why you wasted so much time sitting on a nothing squad for a nothing team on top of that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Yeah. It was that too.
Jarrod Dyke: Let's say, isn't he playing for the Jaguars?
Grumpy Old Prop: Hey, he was on, he was, he started on the team that was, is now in the super bowl.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, but they also couldn't keep him and decide that whoever they had in in that spot was better than him.
Grumpy Old Prop: Well, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: So probably.
Grumpy Old Prop: And to be fair, they're probably right.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: Cause they're in the super bowl and they had some guys get hurt. So it's like, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: All right. um
Jarrod Dyke: Who wins?
Grumpy Old Prop: Who wins?
Jarrod Dyke: third Third in a row for island, never been done, or so on someone coming in to crash the party.
Grumpy Old Prop: I think, I think France win. I think France is going to take it.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I do too. DuPont's back, I think.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: this There's a resurgence here that comes in and they get it done.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Despite all the injuries that people are talking about for them, I'm like, it doesn't matter. They have so much ammo, they're just gonna put it back in the clip and shove it back in the gun and say, let's go again.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Yup.
Jarrod Dyke: It's not gonna matter.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, that bullet, that bullet's a dead. Cool, I got another one here.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. And it's probably like we know France, Ireland, or or are one, two.
Jarrod Dyke: I think so.
Grumpy Old Prop: And then to me, it's like England, Scotland, or like 3A, 3B, but maybe not even in that direction. Like I could see Scotland again. Well, I mean, Scotland have been beating England.
Grumpy Old Prop: So it's
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. I think, I think somehow, i think somehow
Grumpy Old Prop: not much of a hot take there to say Scotland might finish better than England.
Jarrod Dyke: I wanna say that England stumbled on either Wales or Scotland or both. um Maybe Italy, doubt that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I was gonna say, I think Italy's more likely than like Wales. I don't think Wales are gonna do better.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: I think Italy could take Wales.
Jarrod Dyke: Which they have.
Jarrod Dyke: So with that, there's also this, like again, there's also this posterity that this,
Grumpy Old Prop: It's been done.
Jarrod Dyke: shit house rugby with this shit house tactic. And this shit house team finds a way to fucking get over the line because they're just so fucking talented.
Grumpy Old Prop: No, there isn't.
Jarrod Dyke: But, but and I'm not talking, they won't win, they won't win the cup.
Grumpy Old Prop: there isn
Jarrod Dyke: They won't win the cup, don't worry.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: Don't worry, keep keep you keep your hat on guys. That's not happening.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah Yeah, it's not, it's not coming home.
Jarrod Dyke: like But just they'll they'll get four -ish wins somehow and it's like, why?
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's coming close to home, but not home.
Jarrod Dyke: Why, that that that like the way they play them, for them to ah find a way to f freaking get it over the line does rugby no good.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: And that's the stuff that makes me sick. And then just, yeah, we talk about rugby shooting herself in the foot. That is it right there. That shit is it right there. So, speaking of stuff that makes me sick, well, not yet, but we'll get there.
Grumpy Old Prop: Not yet.
Jarrod Dyke: Let's go to the prem real quick. Do a quick run around to the stoop. Quinn's 22, North Hampton 19.
Grumpy Old Prop: Fun. Just a fun game.
Jarrod Dyke: Very good match. Very good match. Yep. Definitely one of the ones that you want to, you want to send, send to your friends and be like, go watch this.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: This is why I like rugby.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm. Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, you know, both teams while being definitely depleted still had really good lineups. And we saw, Hey, guess what?
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm -hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: We saw guys that were young do good things.
Grumpy Old Prop: I know.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh my God, what do we do?
Grumpy Old Prop: i I don't know, but, like, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: What is the world coming to? Fucking, fuck you, boys. Anyway, Waghorn, between this this match and the week before, like he looks like he's a unit.
Grumpy Old Prop: like
Grumpy Old Prop: Like...
Jarrod Dyke: I knew we were gonna laugh at that fucking name.
Grumpy Old Prop: who ah
Jarrod Dyke: You're not even inspired either, are you?
Grumpy Old Prop: Not much, no.
Jarrod Dyke: Okay.
Grumpy Old Prop: the but Come on.
Jarrod Dyke: ah
Grumpy Old Prop: Waghorn. I mean...
Jarrod Dyke: ah I knew you were going to laugh at that game so much. I was like, this will be one of Ben Jiggles at for a while.
Grumpy Old Prop: but so The whole, you know, you stand there and you do the hula hoop kind of thing.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. but and
Grumpy Old Prop: Waghorn, wahorn yeah
Jarrod Dyke: or or
Grumpy Old Prop: I wag horn and you wag horn.
Grumpy Old Prop: Nevermind, that's more of an initiation thing.
Jarrod Dyke: Make Murray
Grumpy Old Prop: Let's move on. That's an 80s initiation thing.
Jarrod Dyke: doing the
Grumpy Old Prop: We don't do that anymore.
Jarrod Dyke: doing the, no, no, no, we don't want to do that. I'm probably doing the the hip turn and the clap.
Grumpy Old Prop: Why didn't anybody tell me we're not doing wag horn anymore?
Jarrod Dyke: No, the the the clap with his hip and it's not a clap.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh. Yeah. Yes. Yes.
Grumpy Old Prop: I was like, I knew it from somewhere. I couldn't remember where.
Jarrod Dyke: that's That's what a wag horn is right there. That's what that is. You're welcome.
Grumpy Old Prop: There you go.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: He's also a very good enter.
Jarrod Dyke: Anyway, there was a rugby match somewhere in this in this neighborhood, I swear.
Jarrod Dyke: For we'll get to the quiz in a bit, but but for the Saints, Tarek Afar, we talked about him when he got when he got signed by the Saints.
Grumpy Old Prop: I would like like, yeah, I would like to see him on the Six Nations squad over some of the people who made it.
Jarrod Dyke: Starting to come good.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's just me.
Jarrod Dyke: yeahp i Yeah, Yeah, same.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: But yeah, played really well in this game.
Grumpy Old Prop: He did I why did they did so I Was technically working during some of this so um Why did it did Augustus was he just pulled or was that was he did he come off injured?
Jarrod Dyke: Mm -hmm. He was pooped.
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay, okay, that's fair there Okay, I just I I had it on I had it on in the background and I just saw him come off and I'm like
Jarrod Dyke: He was truly pooped. He was struggling to get off that field, but he wasn't hurt. He was spent. He put a lot of work in.
Grumpy Old Prop: that is way too early to come off and i thought that was kind of yeah fair enough
Jarrod Dyke: yeah Yeah, he was, he was a little spent, spent a billion there. ah And this, and I'll give the saints backline credit. Like it was, it's a tough, tough group there, but really like for all the young, young fellows in there, not named Hutch and Ram, like,
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: good performance from all of them. These are guys that are, you know, um you know, like 23 and under for the most part, McFarland, Make Peace, Cubitt, Sibala, Litchfield, Seabrook, like, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, that's it.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, and to think about that, like they, they have guys to replace all of them.
Grumpy Old Prop: and
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: So that's wild.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: But also like, yeah, they all so stood up and performed well for their club. And I would be, you know, despite the result, I'd be pretty happy if I was Phil Dawson.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, they should be in the those, you know, specific players like make peace qubit, especially like people should be proud of that effort. Like, again, this isn't no, this isn't the full team, Harlequin's either. But I mean, it's still Joe fucking the entrepreneur over there. Still Will Evans, Jack Kenningham, who are both you know solid starter, like,
Grumpy Old Prop: regular starters on this team, as are you know Tyrone Green um and Nick David's been pretty regular too.
Jarrod Dyke: David.
Grumpy Old Prop: like And Danny fucking care.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. Danny Care.
Grumpy Old Prop: And Jack Walker, like there's enough there's enough you know solid starters to fund Luis too.
Jarrod Dyke: Old man Danny Care.
Grumpy Old Prop: When he's healthy, he's always on there. like This is not, you know outside of the, you know if you're gonna see this lineup, maybe you'd either see, um maybe not Chisel Medade, it would be Dom Brant, or maybe it would be Smith, ah Marcus at 10.
Grumpy Old Prop: And you'd still be like, no, this is a team that that's like their 1A squad, essentially. they Yeah, they got to make a couple of changes, but this isn't that bad. And plus some young guys, like kind of for both squads, it was a good mix of of young and and certainly experienced and like high quality rugby players, not just like experienced players.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: So.
Jarrod Dyke: Glad we got to see another, get another look of, uh, Cleves came off with a, with a, with some sort of,
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. um
Jarrod Dyke: little Nick or, or nod from, from the match he played previously.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: So I'm glad he came back and was able to, to really put in a good shift to put all the way, got all the way to survey seven. Um, well, Joe, well, Joseph, I mean, they got to try and manage his men so he can play, uh, stay healthy.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Cause he is good.
Grumpy Old Prop: He is, and they do, right?
Jarrod Dyke: he He really is super talented. So I don't blame him for pulling that him at 64 and be like, all right, we don't need you to break.
Grumpy Old Prop: No, no, you're good. Nope.
Jarrod Dyke: And the bet. And they put in the, another young player, like. good um These guys don't have a choice, but they're also not shy about it either.
Grumpy Old Prop: Whoa. But wait, so you're saying, you know, they can play, they can put out a lineup that's both, you know, young and old -ish, good mix of both these teams could build up a good mix of a lineup and actually play real rugby and make a showing of it.
Jarrod Dyke: So
Grumpy Old Prop: That sounds shocking. I don't know what to do with that information.
Jarrod Dyke: Sounds like blasphemy, right?
Grumpy Old Prop: I didn't know that that was possible.
Jarrod Dyke: I did not know that existed.
Grumpy Old Prop: Although we're not there, there's a there's game in between, but still.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah there's There's plenty of games in there. Veloster Lester over at King's home.
Grumpy Old Prop: What if the Slater Cup? um Great to see Ed.
Jarrod Dyke: Yes.
Grumpy Old Prop: Always.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's always fantastic to see him.
Jarrod Dyke: I'm glad he's still smiling despite all the things that are going on.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. And ah who was on comms for this? um It was another former player. yeah I don't know if you you were you had it on mute or something.
Jarrod Dyke: I had on very low.
Grumpy Old Prop: I think. because the Yeah. So one of the. um Because who from.
Jarrod Dyke: Might have been Ashy.
Grumpy Old Prop: May a bit.
Jarrod Dyke: I think it was DC and Ashley, actually.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. OK.
Jarrod Dyke: I think it was Danny Caron, Ashley.
Grumpy Old Prop: shit Yeah, they were talking about having to play against um against Ed Slater because one of the Gloucester locks was was making some I've been always Cameron Jordan was doing some things and um They were like, yeah, it's almost you know, it's like like they were bringing up you know Ed's name they were they were ringing it out as as he deserves like He was a big unit, but he could do stuff with the ball too.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like it wasn't just physicality with him. And they're like, that was just the worst. Cause it's like, I still got to hit him and he's going to get the ball away. Like I'm not even going to hit him and make a tackle. Like it was little.
Jarrod Dyke: Ain't that the truth?
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. It was like, I got to take contact on this big motherfucker and it's not actually going to gain my team anything because he's just going to dish it off. Like yup. Very clearly a back was saying that and accurate.
Jarrod Dyke: Absolutely. Yeah, well, you know, but I still like to tackle flowers usually. Usually.
Grumpy Old Prop: No, not certainly not locks. Geez.
Jarrod Dyke: No, not big giant locks like old, like good old Ed Slater.
Grumpy Old Prop: Nobody likes to tackle locks. Even props are like, give me a fucking break. You're freaking seven feet tall. I don't want to do this.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, it's true. and Somewhere in there, there was a game and it was good.
Grumpy Old Prop: It was an excellent game.
Jarrod Dyke: It was pretty good.
Grumpy Old Prop: What it like what a fantastic like display of rugby from both squads um in honor of of of Ed himself. like It's truly worthy of of of his name on it, I would say.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, they they did the game, they did his named trophy justice on this one for sure.
Grumpy Old Prop: I did. And, um, you know, Carlos was fucking ridiculous, most of all. And obviously he was, he was, he was man of the match, but like, what a game he had.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep, yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, just pulling the strings from, from 15 to, um, you know, obviously Anscombe did, did his job, but like,
Jarrod Dyke: hes And he's now, and because Anscombe's arrived, he's in the, and we talked about before, he's in the right spot that makes him
Grumpy Old Prop: Carreras was just, it was like, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: He able to play the best game that he can for this team without a doubt. Like 15 is his position easily.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: And he showed it today or not today, but this weekend.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep. Yeah. And, and yeah. And Carreras was as good as like the distributed, the final distributor, like putting people through, scoring himself. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Excellent.
Jarrod Dyke: absolutely
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, the well, and again, why the fuck is counting that squad?
Jarrod Dyke: yep I don't, I don't know.
Grumpy Old Prop: Don't get it.
Jarrod Dyke: Don't beat me truly.
Grumpy Old Prop: um And wait, I thought played well and I did he get hurt too. So what do you say why you came out?
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, he picked up something and he came off with an HIA actually.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, that's to okay But the other side Brad when it gets over
Jarrod Dyke: Um, the newest, yeah, the newest tiger doesn't do much, but when he does it, he does it. I'm like, doesn't, you know, we were talking about before, you know, and, and you and I have even talked about this offline, like, yeah, you would like a winger to be able to find a little bit of work he and get himself in a good position.
Jarrod Dyke: And it's a balance between getting into the midfield and and getting work and then making sure that you're home for when that pass comes.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, and that's just a little bit of coaching, but I think, you know, we know Dimes is no.
Grumpy Old Prop: I think he just prefers to play in space. And if he does, he's not going to go into the the middle.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: like That's just not his game. Like we were talking about with Millie David.
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: That was hard to make that connection. Um, but yeah, like he's kind of the same way. He's not a, a run into the middle of the field kind of guy that does that breaks him.
Jarrod Dyke: no
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, so I think he tries to stay out wide to stay out wide, but then, you know, Mike Brown makes a break and that's the best cause you know, Brown's fast enough to beat one or two defenders, but there's always going to be one who will track him down.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: And Radwell is like, yeah, you can just give it to me and I'll nobody's catching me.
Jarrod Dyke: I'll finish the job.
Grumpy Old Prop: And yeah, Brown, he's like, yup, you got it.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. And I'm going to catch him. So maybe it's team a hassle Collins or Wade.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: They did not catch him.
Jarrod Dyke: So, Nope. And that was so yeah well played to the, and to the, these two teams and
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, should be proud of the way they played for, for Ed and yeah, smiles all around for everyone there.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I don't want to talk about this game, but we have to.
Grumpy Old Prop: Do we?
Jarrod Dyke: Uh, yes.
Grumpy Old Prop: Do we really?
Jarrod Dyke: Uh, it was, I mean, and I'm not one to make excuses, but yeah, we were pretty fucking hampered by a lot of things. Saracens were and we didn't play a bad game up until about 45 minutes into this thing.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, it just kind of, they just stopped.
Jarrod Dyke: Wasn't a great game.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, and that's that's exactly it. Like they stopped like we were watching it and we we're like, this is more of what I want. And, granted, some of the stuff they were trying didn't come off. But like, keep trying, it'll stick.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: You know, we're just especially when you're down there and that, you know, but it's like we just went into a shell and decided that whatever Exeter wanted to do, they could. And that was kind of meh for me.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: and You know, I'm not going to sit here and worry about them being, them winning this game. They're not a better team.
Grumpy Old Prop: No, but it's also now, if more of anything, it's saris now have lost to Newcastle, they've lost to Exeter, like, and it's been convincing losses to both.
Jarrod Dyke: like
Jarrod Dyke: Like, um, yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: I don't care who you're putting out there, you can put the shags out there, you should be crushed in both those teams.
Grumpy Old Prop: Then they lose to Lester too, like they've, who's it?
Jarrod Dyke: lost They lost at home to Lester, but also we didn't have anybody to play 10.
Grumpy Old Prop: What's even the
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I ah hear you.
Jarrod Dyke: Tim's fail had to step in last minute.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: They still got two points out of the game.
Grumpy Old Prop: True.
Jarrod Dyke: So it wasn't a terrible performance. It wasn't a great performance. It wasn't a terrible performance though.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I'm, I'm disappointed. I'm not gonna, sorry, exitter I'm not even giving you credit. I don't give a fuck.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Honestly, tell them why it's getting the credit and that's it.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah Yeah, I mean, yep.
Jarrod Dyke: And Bampo, Jesus Christ, that guy, that kid's fucking pain in the ass. um
Grumpy Old Prop: But it's like, that's the other thing is, you know, they have two guys who can do anything on this, in this, in this field, really anything. And, and like, just make sure Brown Bampo and Wyatt don't do anything and you'll be all right.
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean, fucking Ethan Root scored in this game.
Jarrod Dyke: That would have been those ones to target.
Grumpy Old Prop: Fuck that.
Jarrod Dyke: Everyone else's meh.
Grumpy Old Prop: What the fuck? Yeah. How did Ethan Root get?
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. I mean, the game becomes relevant when Ethan Roode scored.
Jarrod Dyke: No longer, no longer counts. Not when that douchebag scores. You and your douchebag brother.
Grumpy Old Prop: And it was like actually a good try too, which is not not his style, which means you let him get a good try against him.
Jarrod Dyke: Well, it was a follow up on someone actually doing the work. That's all it was.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, but he was actually there in space and support, which is just not...
Jarrod Dyke: Not given, that's a blind, srr that's the equivalent of a blind squirrel finding a net.
Grumpy Old Prop: and know
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, fair.
Jarrod Dyke: That is the blind squirrel finding the net, almost literally.
Grumpy Old Prop: i That's true. it It was, it was kind of just circumstantial that he was the one that he was just in that area when the shit went to whatever. It doesn't matter.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm -hmm, yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's still surprising to see him score a trial like that.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, no, I'm not you're not wrong. um Really, for me, like, okay, I'm glad Louis Johnson played this game, and I'm actually wondering, if we should have pulled him a little earlier.
Jarrod Dyke: Cause he started to look like he was just a little bit out of the water, just a little bit by the time about 55 rolled around. And I think we got him, we should have got our mother a little bit more.
Grumpy Old Prop: 60. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. And especially with Fergus on the bench, you know, there's no point in it.
Grumpy Old Prop: True. I just, it just feels like the, the, the, it feels the felt.
Jarrod Dyke: We were the four four split because we didn't have a choice as well.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. and But it also, it just feels like the the intent wasn't really to win the game and that kind of pissed me off.
Jarrod Dyke: That was annoying.
Jarrod Dyke: No, and I'm, um there's no argument on me.
Grumpy Old Prop: Cause if the intent was to win the game, then yeah, you're right. 55 minutes, Louie's coming off instead of 60, which made a difference.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, even if I would have been okay with 50. Honestly, I think he did, did his job for those, those minutes and you know, things looked good, but. Things started to take a turn and at that point it's like, yeah Mark, you gotta to have your head on a swivel and be like, all right, Fergus, get your ass in the game now.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: Like, go write this shit because it's starting to sink.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: All right.
Jarrod Dyke: And it sunk.
Grumpy Old Prop: Let's move on to fun games.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. ah Let's go to the gate.
Grumpy Old Prop: This was fun.
Jarrod Dyke: This was this was a lot of points.
Grumpy Old Prop: A lot more fun than you were expecting. Like it was funny outside. Like I was texting with Jack because I was watching on the other game. I had both on and.
Jarrod Dyke: No, I, had I, I didn't have the motivation to get both going.
Grumpy Old Prop: And I was, I was joking about a squeaky bomb time in this one. Cause when bears took a massive lead early, um, three tries in 18 minutes. So, and then just like that, they just pooped it away.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, real quick. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's crazy.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: And, you know, it became a game for a bit.
Jarrod Dyke: And Newcastle actually played.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Newcastle good for Newcastle. I mean that Ben Stevens and dry was was were is pretty sweet too. Um,
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, it was like real gutty performance by by Newcastle and it was almost that that hurl yellow that really decided it because motto scored Marmian.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm -hmm. Yep That was good That was good um yeah, so really I mean This was one of those nice games to sign off on after Bristol had a couple of really rough weeks in Champions Cup We'll see how it goes for them, but yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, nevermind. We're gonna talk about we're gonna that'll that'll come up in a few minutes.
Grumpy Old Prop: Spoilers.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah Yeah, like they they played well new castle like put up a lot more of a fight than I expected so um Yeah, good stuff both teams Even though the score line kind of obviously favors new Bristol They they pulled away towards the end too, but that was what was that? It was tight until like Yeah, 70 minutes
Jarrod Dyke: So yeah, so ready. And then things just come. The damn burst, as it were.
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean, that's not bad. Overall.
Jarrod Dyke: No, no, by no way so but means. By no means whatsoever. Okay.
Grumpy Old Prop: And then.
Jarrod Dyke: Bath versus sale.
Grumpy Old Prop: Bath for sale.
Jarrod Dyke: Or sale versus bath, whatever. um Doesn't really matter because I appreciate bath just sticking it to sale and being like, oh, isn't that cute?
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: You thought you were getting a bonus point. No, no, no, no.
Grumpy Old Prop: No, point no point for you. Not even one.
Jarrod Dyke: No soup for you. Yeah, I don't, I. Yeah, just it's just, it's again, it's another example of like, you're expecting a, a bastion to the wall and box kit game is gonna turn into, ah you know, a wonderful win because your team's gonna out talent the other and it couldn't because Ben Russell was on the outside.
Jarrod Dyke: So pretty much was the was irrelevant in terms of that strategy.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right edward we mcconaey and and joke are gonna say like they have just they have playmakers all all over that team um Yes, it was it really was and it was right after a Jomo should have scored it before too
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, that jumbo try was pretty sweet that Koka assisted on. Or no, did they do the chop? Yeah, it was right after they chopped off another one. That's what it was. Yeah. Let's stand you cowards.
Grumpy Old Prop: And I maintained that that was incorrectly chalked off. that was That should have been a try. So, oh, justice.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. I mean, yeah, a little bit of justice for him. And like, really, your 20 is Ben Bamber, like, and again, i'd I'd, I'd feel more sorry for sale if there's playing style, didn't just say, all right, we need five locks to just smash into someone, you know, Bard, Sam Dugdale, who's not a lock, but also was not that skilled on a back rower, like,
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm -hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: No, I thought it was funny like because you're saying they pulled it off their their most mobile back rower and I'm like Who It
Jarrod Dyke: therere there I mean, it was an accurate statement. it's there It was their most mobile back rower.
Grumpy Old Prop: was Right, I was like I just don't think of bit of a yeah, Doug.
Jarrod Dyke: Didn't say it was a good one.
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean he's good He's not bad. I'm i'm not gonna disrespect him. I actually like him a little bit. So I'll leave it at that but
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, but that but you pull him off and you have Johnny fucking Hill and Ben Bamber on the field.
Grumpy Old Prop: And the Duprices were causing all sorts of stupid shit all game. Like, they're getting in trouble, dude.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, you're most mobile and you're least injured and least, you know, shit causing.
Jarrod Dyke: like knock it off man like you could have some sort of dynamism in your pack with the back like even with this back line i'm looking at right now you know even i don't like them that much but even with fucking gusts war like
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm -hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: There are good things that could happen with this. Joe Carpenter, who I like a lot.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm -hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Aaron Reed, who we really like a lot.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah Right But that's also so weird why wouldn't you put nice level up at 14 because look we've Been saying it I'm sorry.
Jarrod Dyke: Addison, I have appreciation for. I think Maasie White is exactly what they want Naivelou to be, but he's, he wasn't. So, um, and this is also, he also could be, you know,
Jarrod Dyke: he's already walked, so it doesn't matter.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, so there was a lock.
Jarrod Dyke: He's a Naivelou who's already walked, so it doesn't matter.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm sorry. I was thinking who's I think it no didn't think it rid of ah ah ah of a back to
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. No, that's where they but got rid of the Fijian captain.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, right, so it's like, but like O 'Flaherty, why is, what is, no, but I'm saying like, why would you, why are you putting him out there?
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, so they got rid of... He's at 14, so...
Jarrod Dyke: Well,
Grumpy Old Prop: Why would you choose him over Nicely? Why would you, you know, like, you have other, like, or, or he's just not what they want.
Jarrod Dyke: I don't know. they They were expecting him to be something that he wasn't, so... Or maybe he was... Maybe he didn't want to play the shit that they wanted him to.
Grumpy Old Prop: The thing is, exactly. He's like, no, like, I want to, I'm just gonna run this space. No, no, no, we don't do that here, we run this,
Jarrod Dyke: and Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: And it's like, fuck, it's, it's just to me, that's, I'm just pointing out the stupidity of you get rid of a talent guy. And I love, we love O 'Flaherty and we had, we've said a lot of positive things about him over the years, but, and we've been saying a lot tonight. I mean, I feel like I've been saying it a lot tonight, so I apologize. I'm catty tonight. Um, Tom O 'Flaherty doesn't have it anymore.
Jarrod Dyke: That's the same level now.
Grumpy Old Prop: And not, no. Um, he doesn't have that. He doesn't have the big gear. He wants head. He's got all the other stuff still, but he's not, he's not that like you give me an inch and I'm taking a mile.
Jarrod Dyke: no
Grumpy Old Prop: It's like you give him an inch. He's going to take about an inch and then you'll make a tackle.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: And it's that's no, it's kind of sad.
Jarrod Dyke: Not there yet. Not there anymore.
Grumpy Old Prop: He still does all the other stuff really well. no So.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: But like, yeah, why would have a guy who can scoot over. thomas of fla I mean,
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Definitely. Uh, all right. Superlatives names that outdid themselves this weekend.
Grumpy Old Prop: it's hard to like, he's been so good for so long anyway, but still Santi Carreras.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: Huge for, for a team and ah in a big, big win.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Why a drama?
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. um I'd say make peace, keep it.
Jarrod Dyke: I had, I had told, I had told you down Tobias Elliott, you would know. Yep. Good one.
Grumpy Old Prop: You know, again, tough spot to be in played it really well.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Revalvo.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: Good. Um, a couple of shouts to the PWR, Lisa Thompson from Trail Finders.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: Lottie sharp had had two and one of them was absolutely brilliant.
Grumpy Old Prop: Please clap.
Jarrod Dyke: Paul. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Shout out to our series girls who are keeping shit afloat for this club because they're not good otherwise.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, anybody else?
Grumpy Old Prop: um I'm thinking I'm going back through. ah Mata, I guess I would say, too. He had a pretty good game, but I mean, it's kind of Mata -ish.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah Um, yeah. chat it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Again, McCall.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Gotta say.
Jarrod Dyke: I was saying, I was saying second half series mostly, but yeah, McCall didn't appreciate the job that, uh, tempestoro Keith did this weekend.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I just know. um
Jarrod Dyke: I thought they were both complete crap.
Grumpy Old Prop: They were they were they were. Not ideal.
Jarrod Dyke: No, like the rafel turnover that O 'Keefe called. I was like, no, you got that really wrong. And upon replay, he totally cocked it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I was like, Oh, come on, dude. Uh, you're supposed to be at a national referee and you cocked that up. Like what the fuck are you doing?
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: I think I'd say even Daniel Dupree. I don't know what the hell is.
Jarrod Dyke: Hmm. There.
Grumpy Old Prop: But he's got gotten up his ass, but it's not a good rugby player, I guess.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: No, no, no, agreed.
Grumpy Old Prop: he's really becoming way too meathead and not like it used to be he'd run to space and then be a meathead in space and it's like that's the best kind of meathead because at least you're running to space and you're taking up like kind of what we're saying about Slater earlier like Edward you know get you into space and then put someone else through now Dupree is just I'm gonna run right into the nearest guy just to show about how big and tough I am and it's like you don't that's not what makes you good anybody can do that
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: Iron Andrews can do that.
Jarrod Dyke: No, yeah, it doesn't take, it doesn't take, yeah, it doesn't take much for that.
Grumpy Old Prop: First Van Ryn can do that.
Jarrod Dyke: Fuck. I could do that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: I don't want to, but I will.
Grumpy Old Prop: I don't want to anymore.
Jarrod Dyke: My body doesn't want me to.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, no, I, oh yeah, I'm very good.
Grumpy Old Prop: Good.
Jarrod Dyke: Thank you very much. Uh, ref coach, young player of the week.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Grumpy Old Prop: Not so much Raph. I don't really
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I put Pierce down because he was the breath for the Quinn's game.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, but that's too easy.
Jarrod Dyke: That right.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um,
Jarrod Dyke: Pick him out every day of the week.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah. So no, not really. I don't have, I'm not going to go with the ref. Um, coach, I mean, skivs hard.
Jarrod Dyke: Fair. Yep. Good one.
Grumpy Old Prop: That was a, that's a big win team that the club needs.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh yeah. And I had him on the hot seat going into this thing and he, he's pulled it out for sure.
Grumpy Old Prop: We did both of us did. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Um, I have buddy Madison, show find his woman then young player.
Grumpy Old Prop: Fair enough and No question there Young player, I mean I guess I'd have to go within that Quinn Saints game And Cleves, yeah He's I mean he's just a good like I Mean I would that's that's so if you went with him and I wanted to give make peace keep it the shout because
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. I went with Cleves.
Jarrod Dyke: But you can make a base ah case for make these qubit as well.
Jarrod Dyke: There you go.
Grumpy Old Prop: He had, he had quite the, the day.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean, look at that man.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep, yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: They're good. I mean, if they, if they can't keep both of them or they could potentially have just a solid one, two combination at 10 between him and and Smith, like for until we're like, you know, not what 20th season.
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, talking about Finn Smith being the old man of the crew For see if they actually come back to life All right, it's the pick them but we only got three of them Friday night France Wales Yep
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Man, I remember when he debuted. Yeah. yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: Only three. France.
Jarrod Dyke: i will I mean, I'd go put a dollar on whales if they win because that'll be a nice payout, but like, that's about it. I bet you we can find a site around here that i'll but but that'll take that action.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, no. I think I'd rather pay a dollar to put on friends and get like a dollar and a cent back. Rather than just not have a dollar.
Jarrod Dyke: the that would be that That would be your philosophy if we're honest. It's all right.
Jarrod Dyke: All right.
Grumpy Old Prop: Scotland.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, Scotland and Italy and Edinburgh.
Grumpy Old Prop: scotland
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Work for this one. God damn it.
Jarrod Dyke: All right. Um, big one in Dublin, Ireland, England.
Grumpy Old Prop: Well, we've seen England squad. Don't know who Ireland selecting. I'm gonna go with Ireland.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. I still feel better about Island.
Jarrod Dyke: Still feel better about Alan.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like just seeing that lineup, like no.
Jarrod Dyke: Okay.
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay. Good. Done. Done with this one.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, and your reaction after I told you, you're like, what the fuck? I was like, exactly.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Exactly, sir. Exactly. All right, cool. um Time for fancy stuff. If you can join us there, we'll see you there. If not, thank you very much for joining us and listening to us babble into your ear for a little bit.
Jarrod Dyke: Enjoy the opening weekend on the Six Nations. We'll catch you guys later. Have a good one.
Grumpy Old Prop: Later.
Jarrod Dyke: Cheers.
