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Edge Rush Revolution: Green Bay's Present and Future Prospects
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Aloha and welcome to week 2 of our lead up to the 2025 NFL Draft! This week Joe is joined by Dan Kotnik of Pack-a-day podcasts as they break down the Edge group!
We look at the current state of the group, any free agents that could fit in and what draft prospects would be the best for the Packers
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Transcript
Intro
Introduction and Co-Host Absence
00:00:20
Speaker
Hello, hello, hello. And welcome to another episode of Ohana Packers edition podcast. I am Iowa Joe and Mike Cuano has dishonor us, dishonored us all by not being here, even though I have had this scheduled out for at least two weeks. He's at some birthday party and you know, I guess when you hit my age and that you don't really care about birthdays anymore. So, you know, then I, I don't use that as a valid excuse. So his pay will be docked at some point.
00:00:49
Speaker
However, I do have a good friend, a fellow Packers content creator, somebody who's been on the show multiple times as a replacement, Dan Kotnick. Dan, I don't even know what you're doing anymore. It seems like you keep changing all your content stuff day after day. Uh, you were formerly of Game on Wisconsin. Yeah. Is it pack a day you're doing now? Yep.
00:01:17
Speaker
Yeah. I've been running, in the Monday edition of the packet a podcast, uh, with my good buddies, Monty Moore and Camille
Dan Kotnick on 'Pack a Day' Podcast Experience
00:01:26
Speaker
Davis. that's been a lot of fun this, that was a lot of fun this past season because it was the, is the first time that I got to do a podcast where we were basically a post game show every single week like like every other podcast like every other time I've done like a different day on on the pack a day or like did Lombardi's bar whatever it was like it's in the middle of the week so you're like three four days separated from it you're trying to figure out something else like this was this was a lot of fun to just like
00:01:57
Speaker
Literally two hours after the game ends, get on. And when you're still like cheesed off about losing to Jared Goff again for the second time, like you can go on there and like emotions are still raw and have fun with it. So it's been a lot of fun.
Benefits of Post-Game Podcasting
00:02:14
Speaker
Yeah, I know that's been the nice thing about Mike and I's recording schedules. We do it like not long after the game.
00:02:22
Speaker
Even though the episode comes out on a Tuesday, we're recording the night after the game. So it's all fresh in your mind and your your emotions can fly. Cause it's like, what the hell was that going out on the field? You know, what are we some high school team and you know, the middle of nowhere and im for you to so I, instead of recording later on in the week where it's like,
00:02:44
Speaker
Well, did that play actually happen or am I just misremembering something and. Right. ah ah you When you, when you start looking at it with, uh, with some kind of, you know, impartiality, rationality. Yeah. And it's like, well, maybe it wasn't too bad. And it's like, no, like we, it was great that Carl Brooks bought that field goal, but why are we getting that close to the, to the bakers?
00:03:09
Speaker
So.
Packers' Edge Room Analysis
00:03:10
Speaker
you know This week is our second week in our annual draft run-up. Last week it was Kawano and Mafi talking cornerbacks. This week we are talking the edge room. and you know This year talking edge room is is even more different Then I would even say last year because last year we were in the mindset. Okay. We still got a bunch of three, four type ends. Do we still move that way? Do we got this year? We got a little bit better of idea of what we're doing because of the four three and what they more need in that. So, you know, we're going to run this out like we do normally.
00:03:49
Speaker
We'll talk about the state of the room as is. We'll talk about maybe some possible free agents we could, the Packers could conceivably sign. And then we'll go right into our are draft stuff. So, and I know that's what everybody's mainly here for is the draft stuff. So Dan, in your opinion, what is the state of the Packers edge room?
00:04:16
Speaker
And I won't hold it against you if you talk badly about my, my, we'll call him my son since West and North likes to call Harry his son. yeah, see that's the problem is we don't have an Ohio state rusher on the, on the line. We've got an Iowa and a Michigan kid. We picked the wrong big time. it's, it's a lackluster.
00:04:42
Speaker
Like that's, I think a good word to describe it. Like I think, especially considering we're talking about those two guys, Rashawn, Gary and Lucas van Ness were both top. I'm trying to remember when Gary was they're at least top 20. They were around the same pick. Yeah. Right. I think Gary was like 15 and Lucas was 13 or was like something like, yeah. So like top, top 20, top 15 pass rushers.
00:05:12
Speaker
They, they need to be performing better that Gary, Gary, a pro bowler this year. Sure. But like I w with where they were drafted and the expectation that they come in with, they should be wrecking games. And I don't know if you can ever say they wrecked a game. Gary, like Gary, you might be able to go back and find, find something, find it. I've never, I've never seen though, Lucas van Ness ruin a game for anybody.
00:05:49
Speaker
And I completely get your feeling on it, but to, and this bit me in the butt just this week, but we won't get into that any further. to play devil's advocate here. You got to remember that Lucas was only in second year and you know, his second defensive scheme in two years.
00:06:07
Speaker
The big problem with Lucas going into a four, three defense, even though he played it in college is Lucas played more of an interior lineman than he did the edge rush. So it, you know, he's, he's got all the tools to do everything. And there were moments where no, he didn't wreck a game, but you could see where, okay, that's the type of guy we need because he was pushing his guy back or he was getting into the right spots. Just something happened here or something that there.
00:06:35
Speaker
Rashawn, I have to say, is kind of in a similar boat. When he played the fourth three in college, he was more of an interior guy. So not to make any excuses for him because, yes, they they really didn't perform as well as we had hoped. There are some things to look into. Next year or this coming year, 2025 should be a better gauge on it.
Strategies for Enhancing Packers' Defense
00:06:59
Speaker
you know If we can pick up a couple of extra guys maybe in free agency or in the draft or both,
00:07:06
Speaker
you know, that would help out a little bit. Maybe move those guys back into the interior or some and, and have a traditional type edge rusher that might help. But you know, it it is what it is, but it's not just those two mainly. Yes. You had some flashes from Britain. Cox. Yes. She had some flashes for minute bar. Yes. She had some flashes from Mosby, but there was no real.
00:07:35
Speaker
Consistency that's the word I'm looking for consistency through all of it, but I also don't just blame the edges I told Mike this several different times It seemed like when the pass rush would do their job The interior guys weren't doing theirs. Yeah, or when the interior guys were doing their job the pass rush wasn't doing theirs and You know what I mean by that for and I understand I know you understand what I'm kind of saying with it But for those that might not understand what I'm saying in an edge rusher That's basically what you are You want to seal off the edge whether it's the pocket edge the running lanes, whatever So your push is to come around and it's basically gonna form a circle So your edge rusher is gonna come around and form the top of the circle Your interior guys are gonna form the bottom of the circle and you're gonna close the circle
00:08:28
Speaker
The edge rushers at certain points would form that circle and go to close, but then there's gigantic running lanes for the interior guys because they're not doing their end of it. Now your buddy over there with pack a day podcast, Andy Herman, we've had on the show before. I'm going to disagree with something that he put into, I think he just released an article a couple of days ago or something. And part of it, he said that Kenny Clark was in decline. I disagree with that.
00:08:57
Speaker
Okay. And here's why I disagree with that. One, he's still only 29 frigging years old. That is insane to me. He's Kenny Clark. Kenny Clark feels like one of those kids that's been in college for like seven years. And it's like, he's a, he's only a senior. He's been there for eight years. So that one I got to give to him because he's still young. Yes. He's got a lot of mileage on the body, whatever, but he's still young.
00:09:27
Speaker
Two, like I was just saying with Rashawn and Lucas, Kenny has only ever played 3-4 tackle his whole life. He played it at UCLA. He played it with Green Bay. This 4-3 thing is brand new to him. He's still got the mindset of 3-4 where, okay, we got to anchor our position.
00:09:54
Speaker
And you know if I can get free, I'm going to get free. You could see that play out a lot with him over the course of this past year. So I don't i don't agree that he's in a decline. I think that he's in a new situation. And it took him a long while over the year to get out of that mindset. Again, 2025 is going to be the the You know, if he comes back and he continues to not play at a level Kenny Clark should play at, I agree. He's in a dec decline, but i I don't see it. I got a, whenever a new system, I think we're kind of spoiled right now. This new system, happily installed was way more successful than any of us expected. It was going to be going into this year.
00:10:46
Speaker
So now we're trying to nitpick every little thing that we can, because we didn't expect them to be top five here, top 10 here, top this here. We didn't expect that. We figured it was going to be okay. Well, they're still learning. They're going to be about mid range throughout the year. And then 2025 is going to be the telling year. We didn't expect them to come out and be the, be the part of the team that was leading, you know, leading this team to victories and that. So.
00:11:14
Speaker
And, you know, I think, I think part of it too, that you mentioned, uh, you mentioned, uh, like with, we're when we're talking about the past, the past rusher specifically, yeah I'm glad, I'm glad you brought up the interior line because yeah, like.
00:11:29
Speaker
If no one is scared about Kenny Clark or TJ Slayton or Devontae Wyatt in the middle, they can focus more on chipping on the edge and and taking care of and taking care of that. Or game planning the edge rushers, like you said, to come out farther and they know the middle won't be is is going to be wide open. I think part of this, though, too, is that Jeff Halfley built, was planning this defense around having better cornerbacks in this defense. Jay Alexander, he's expecting Eric Stokes to take a step. You're expecting Nixon and Valentine to, you know, to do, to do more. And then, you know, for at least half the season, they were still figuring out who's their starting, so who's their other starting safety. And
00:12:26
Speaker
Also, who's going to be playing middle linebacker? They, you know, they found Adrian
Impact of Strategies and Injuries on Defense
00:12:30
Speaker
Cooper and I think instantly really loved what they were getting out of him and he had to deal with injuries on and off. And so you're rotating, uh, uh, McDuffie in there, Quay Walker spent time hurt.
00:12:44
Speaker
And so there was a lot of this defense that got hamstrung at times due to the injury restrictions from everybody and Halfly wasn't able to do some of the things. You could see, you could tell the games where this defense looked really good. I go back to Arizona, Houston, New Orleans.
00:13:06
Speaker
Who was all out there? You've got Evan Williams, you've got Edron Cooper. Most of your defensive seven front is playing most of your snaps and you saw how well they executed defensively. And so I think that's a real that's a real part of it is when we look at Was this a down year for the defense with the pass rush and whatever? I think that has to be taken into account is Halfly is trying to implement the system, which takes a good season to do. And by the time he gets it in there, he's still rotating guys in that haven't played half of the season as well.
00:13:44
Speaker
So I think next year is going to be a real telling point for what the the Jeff Halfley experience is truly going to kind of be. And then like, as you mentioned, getting free agents in, I think this was that was another thing is like this year, it was a really an evaluation for Jeff Halfley of these are my guys. How do they fit into my system? Who do I want to stick around? Who's going to walk? Who do I want to bring in that kind of thing? So I think for this being sort of an evaluation year and you're implementing defense, that's a pretty good defensive production. But I do think that when we're looking specifically at that at that pass rush, I think everything you said there, the inconsistency is the thing that sticks out the most. There has to be a so at least one person that consistently is a threat or else, you know, it it really doesn't it really doesn't have the impact.
00:14:40
Speaker
Right. and i don't and and with halfly i've And I even mentioned this under Barry when they they drafted Lucas, I don't know why they didn't try to stack Rashawn and Lucas next to each other.
00:14:58
Speaker
whether one standing up, one, you know, whichever one's doing what, you know, whether Rashawn standing up and Lucas is in the hand in the dirt under Barry, or if both of them are lined up next to each other, I'm not, because they're similar guys, which they're more strength than, than speed. They, they have a decent amount of speed because they are athletic, but they're more strength guys that would have collapsed a whole side of the line, a whole side of the line.
00:15:28
Speaker
then you could have had more of your speed guys with Britton Cox and Kingsley and those guys on the other side who could clean up when what whole side of the line is collapsing. So I don't understand that. And like you said, it was just, let's see what we can have with what we got and then go from there. So yeah at at the very least,
00:15:51
Speaker
It's, it's a matter of they're all talented. Why wouldn't you want more talented people on this defense? Like you, like you mentioned Brett and Cox, Brennan Cox had so many flashes. Like he deserved to be getting more snaps than he did. So why not scheme up something to get your two best edge rushers on the field at the same time as Brett and Cox and create some kind of something, you know? i Yeah, I totally agree.
00:16:22
Speaker
And, and I want to say the Britain Cox and, and, uh, Kingsley and Mosby were part of the reason why it made it easy to trade Preston Smith. Yeah. Don't get me wrong. I love Preston. Preston was obviously the better Smith brother that stuck around and all that. But I understand it from his point of view, you know, he wasn't making it into four three. He wanted to go to the three, four.
00:16:49
Speaker
didn't work out for him very well, because it sounds like he's going to be a cap casualty or whatever.
Exploring Free Agent Edge Rushers
00:16:55
Speaker
And, but I think just having those three guys on top of Lucas and Rashawn just made it that much easier. But let's go ahead and move into free agents. This one looks like it's going to be quite the free agent pool as Dan and I were pulling up.
00:17:12
Speaker
Uh, lists here now because we were, we are so early in, or while I guess you can call it late in the 20, 24 season, the 2025 free agent season hasn't kicked off yet. So this isn't the most accurate list in the world because somebody's going to get tagged. Somebody's going to get a contract extension. Some guys might get cut. So there could be an even bigger list, but Dan.
00:17:40
Speaker
out of the guys that you're seeing right now, and we're just going to, we're going to say outside of Khalil Mack, because I guess Khalil Mack would be the, the, is being the big talked about guy. The only drawback I have to say about Khalil Mack is what is he going to want for being 34 years old? Right. You know, but outside of that, what are you seeing out of this free agent pool that you think would step in and be a contributor to the 2025 Green Bay Packers?
00:18:08
Speaker
Yeah, you know, the guy that went because I really didn't I didn't look too much at this free agent list till we till we logged on and I was just kind of like taking a glance through everything. The one that kind of sticks out to me in terms of. Fit and how much money they're going to like kind of ask for is Aziz Ojolari from the Giants.
00:18:36
Speaker
I think, because because I, like you said, your top two pass rushers right now, Rashawn Gary, Lucas van Ness, those are power rushers.
00:18:48
Speaker
I want, I want speed. And that's what I was like focusing on when I was looking at this draft class and everything. Like I want the quick Twitch guy. That's going to get off the line and get behind the line before anybody else, because though it's, it has become, look at, look at the last three games of this season, Vikings, bears, Eagles.
00:19:15
Speaker
how what what was the what was the time from snap to pass on like those games it was it was all quick hitters because they knew there was no the there was nothing down the field there they couldn't get to the quarterback I want someone that's going to get there fast, get there quick. Ojolary is a guy that I think he's still fairly young. i'm pretty sure i think he's I think he's just coming off of his rookie deal ah if if I'm not mistaken. According to the list that I'm looking at, it says he's 25 currently. Okay.
00:19:49
Speaker
I, I just, there are, there are, there are plenty of guys on this list that I would love to have like a Josh sweat, the Eagles Hassan Redick would be a fun one. I think he's more of the power rush than he is, that, but sweat would be great. I just wonder like the, like, those are all guys playing.
00:20:13
Speaker
at the very top of their class and have a cache that comes with it. Oh, Jalari kind of feels like a quote unquote like diamond in the rough, you know? Yeah. So I think I think he would be interested. The one that stuck out to me, though, you brought up was DeMarcus Lawrence for the like Cowboys. He's how old is he now? Oh, this is pretty three. So he's he's about Khalil Mac age.
00:20:42
Speaker
coming off of an injury, maybe you take a little flyer on him. I don't know. I, I'm, uh, I'm open to, I'm open to anything. yeah. What about you? I, I'd like to hear your take on free agency. Well, you know, I agree with you with Ojolari. and the Packers were kind of linked to him before the trade deadline, but it sounded like the giants weren't going to give him up. So.
00:21:08
Speaker
You know, that one would be interesting since he does have a little bit of a, I don't know. You want to say a ah ah history with the Packers wanting him. I'm kind of interested in this one, even though I know he's not. He never lived up to his draft hype, but that'd be chase young. I wonder if maybe a reclamation project would be there. Maybe getting a guy like Halfly and his crew to motivate him a little bit more.
00:21:38
Speaker
You know, maybe that might be something you know, a little bit more about him being the Ohio state guy. but really there's a, maybe Josh Uchi, he'll be coming off from the chiefs. I know he's maybe a little bit more of the speed guy. Uh,
00:21:59
Speaker
Homerism tells me Anthony Nelson coming off from the Buccaneers, but I don't know if he'll be more of a rotational guy or not. Uh, Derek Barnett, I know has been linked a little bit as a possible, but I think he's another one that's more power than speed. Yeah. yeah So, but you know, to be fair, I don't think there's really, I mean, there's a ton of names in that, that would be great out of the free agency pool.
Draft and Trade Strategies for Pass Rushers
00:22:29
Speaker
And I know the Packers are going to have a ton of money.
00:22:33
Speaker
But a lot of them remind me of what we already have. And it just, I don't know if that's something we, and I use the Royal, we as a Packer fan, you know, if that's something they need to get into or if they just need to, you know, stick with the draft and maybe take a couple of flyers like a Barnett or a Chase Young.
00:23:01
Speaker
Yeah, see, that's that's my thing with this with this defense and the pass rush particularly is I just say I should say specifically the pass rush because they have invested a lot of time, and a lot of capital in pass rush. And I think really every everybody that's currently on that in the pass rush group right now were brought on as some type of project, yeah you know? Like they were never a polished answer to the pass rush and they were always going to take time. And that's the plan Brian Gudukunst had when he brought all of these people in at some point. And so I just, I wonder if they would bring in a player like
00:24:00
Speaker
a Khalil Mac or a Josh Sweat because that takes away some, you know, that takes away snaps from guys that you're hoping to develop. But then at the same time, like you said, someone like a Chase Young, who is a project in himself,
00:24:23
Speaker
Do you want to invest in another project and wait for that and hope to for that to to develop? you know we We talk about the free agency class with this group. It's funny that like the free agency class kind of under underwhelms a little bit. But then when you look at the trade candidates for all for the pastor, like some of the biggest trade bait stories out there for the NFL in this offseason are all edge rushers. The Miles Garrett, Max Crosby, Micah Parsons, I throw in as a quote unquote edge rusher. Like it's it's funny that if the it seems like if the Packers want to
00:25:07
Speaker
make a take a huge swing, a home run swing at pass rusher, it really feels like they would have to give up some kind of draft capital, either trading away for a Miles Garrett or trading up to go for one of the top flight guys in this and this draft earlier in the first round or something. it now It doesn't feel like the final answer, the final solution is sitting in free agency at the moment.
00:25:38
Speaker
And that and that's true, too. I mean, I'm trying to go through this list real quick. And it just I don't know. I don't. It just like I said, it seems like you just said, you know, most of them are similar to what we have in projects.
00:25:54
Speaker
Like I'm looking at Joseph of Osai from, uh, the bingles. He had a heck of a year this past season, but I, I just, I think he would be in similar project and I don't think the bingles are going to let him go just because of his, you know, he's still youngish and they have issues as you know. what do you think of about the trade prospects? And before I let you answer that,
00:26:23
Speaker
I'm going to say, I don't think they end up with either one of them. Um, I am in the boat that I do not see goody trading the first round draft pick beings that they just got the NFL draft in and I could just see the signage and the hate and the course of booze for Gudakunst. If they ended up trading out with green Bay hosting the draft.
00:26:50
Speaker
You know, it's run it's funny you say that because we literally, we just recorded our our episode for Pack a Day like four hours ago. And we were talking about, we we were talking about Jordan Love like on Radio Row and and they were bringing up, you know, the he did the interview with Micah, he was on Micah Parsons.
00:27:13
Speaker
podcast and was like talking to him and how that's a trade rumors swirling around ah ah are the cowboys gonna trade or extend michael parsons and so and we had that same conversation of like. You know are the packers kind of hamstrung by not having that they don't want to trade away high draft capital for the first and probably only time they host the draft.
00:27:37
Speaker
in Mark Murphy's last year. And we came to the conclusion that if they traded away a first round pick for a, a max Crosby or miles Garrett, and he walked out on stage.
00:27:51
Speaker
with, uh, Roger Goodell to announce the Packers first pick. That'll be the single only time Roger Goodell does not get booed in green Bay at the draft. And so I, I think, I think that would be, I think that would be very funny if, uh, if they were to do that, I don't think that's anything they, they would do, but you know, like we said is, do you make decisions Based on base decisions for the future of your franchise based on the fact that It'll look good for the cameras for one night at the draft you know, and if you if you like it's saying like it's it's saying like if you got a
00:28:35
Speaker
if you traded for, if the decision was trade for Reggie white or have your first round pick of the draft, you know, like it it's, it's hard for me to say, I wouldn't do that. the problem is though, they're not just getting, they're not just giving up the draft capital. It's a crap ton of money for all of those. Oh yes. Yes. And so,
00:28:59
Speaker
i don't I don't think they'll do it. My inclination as a Packer fan also says, like I don't know if I would spend that type of money. I think you're still better off like taking a shot on a reclamation project or a draft pick to to come out of nowhere and and be that guy. you know So i I wouldn't, but the the the reckless Madden player in me still says, I want to see it.
00:29:28
Speaker
We'll see. Here's my thought process. Sure. Sure. and so So go with me on this. I'm ready. Scary inside into my mind. So every, every single time is Joe. So you got to figure that they're going to have some kind of special way to announce draft picks, you know, whether they, they, you know, trust putting these guys on the, the,
00:29:55
Speaker
tubes and go down the hill, the snow hill or, you know, ride the bike up to the stage or you got. Oh, i that would be amazing, wouldn't it? Joe, I hadn't even thought about that. That is amazing. They have to do that. They have to do that with the bikes. You would. That would be amazing, wouldn't it? But think about how much money the Packers would have to pop to do that.
00:30:24
Speaker
You know, not necessarily, you know, bring the kids in to do it, but you know, they'd have to pop the money to block off certain point portions of this and build the ramp to this and all that stuff. Or, you know, the same with the snow Hill and, you know, yeah all that good stuff. So for them to put all that time and effort and money into it. And they don't even get to allow their first round draft pick to participate in that.
00:30:51
Speaker
I just don't see how the Packers would be able to live that down. That would be on the top five blunders of every NFL networks special from here until, you know, our generation is dead. But is it a blunder if you're, if you draft a, or if you trade for a Max Crosby and he's, and he is the,
00:31:21
Speaker
He's the revolution that you needed on that defense to become a top five defense. I think it only becomes a blunder if you trade for somebody and they, they pull an Aaron Rodgers and pop their Achilles foreplays into the, into the season. That's also the issue that you run into, you know, you spend the draft capital on a guy and then he immediately steps in and you know, gets injured or something happens. So there's a risk either way with it.
00:31:48
Speaker
you can pop the draft capital and something happens to the guy. You cannot pop the draft capital and you know, you you take a guy that's out of the league league in two years. But I just remember all the vitriol and it it it was compounded by not taking the badger player in the year that they traded out of the first round to select Kevin King and with the first pick of the second round.
00:32:16
Speaker
And I just remember all the hate on trading out. Well, I stayed up all night long just to, you know, not, and I just remember all that hate. And for this to be in the city of Green Bay with the Packers popping all this money with the Packers making all this. Can you just imagine the Reddit threads, the Twitter comments, the blue sky comments,
00:32:42
Speaker
It would not look good for Ed Policy taking over for Mark Murphy at that point. His his his tenure would already start out tainted in the minds of certain Packer fans. But but you know what?
Packers' Draft Capital and Financial Flexibility
00:32:57
Speaker
Maybe that's the best thing for ed policy is because you, Mark Murphy basically gives a big middle finger to the entire fans says, I built this thing. I'll do what I want. I'm out. And now everyone's ed policy comes and he's like, don't, don't be mad at me. Like it was, it was crazy Mark Murphy. It was crazy old man Murphy that, uh, that did all that stuff. Like I'm the new guy. Like I'm your buddy.
00:33:23
Speaker
Yeah, no, I can see them trading the second round pick. I could see them trading if they could find a deal for somebody for the second round pick. I could see them doing that. I i wouldn't be surprised. I haven't got i I didn't look at what our draft capital actually looks like. But yeah, I think we just got an extra seven i was just straight up and just an extra seven. I don't know about the the if we get any comp pick.
00:33:50
Speaker
But I know you have the extra seventh from trade the trades. I will say, too, we're going into we're looking at that draft capital and the draft situation right now. We don't know what's going to happen between now and then in terms of what we might trade away or or get rid of. Who knows? Like that there could be there could be someone on this roster right now. Jay Alexander.
00:34:20
Speaker
who, and I could fight you all day on day on that. Cause I just, and that's another thing that i' I'm wearing. I'm wearing, I'm wearing my eye Alexander Jersey. I am. I am the one lone member of the Connick family that stands up for Jair, but I do wonder like.
00:34:37
Speaker
You know, if does, does trading wage, I year gets you an extra second or third that you parlay into doing something. I'm not saying I would do that, but, but it's, it's definitely on the table for, for where we're at. So, you know, the, the situation on come draft night might be very different in terms of what we're looking at capital or a situation wise.
00:34:59
Speaker
Well, money wise, I think the Packers are in the best position they've, they've been in in a long time. Cause I think what is it? They, they have 62 million open. And then if they can, if they restructure like three people's deals, that opens up another $51 million. dollars And you know, that would, that's what the bears were sitting at last year and free agency without doing any of that.
00:35:26
Speaker
I think Goody could work miracles with it. And, and, and I know there's a bunch of guys that are going to need to have contracts. You know, there's at least three of them on the offensive line, but you know, that that's conversations for later down the line for us. But I just, I don't know if there's anybody in the free agent class for edge rusher that I'm saying go get, I'm not even really, really sold on Khalil Mac 34 years old.
00:35:54
Speaker
I think he's turned into more of a rotational guy than a full, you know, a three down guy. What's he going to ask for for contract and all that stuff? So if he comes on, on a team friendly deal, like a Julius peppers deal or something like that, go for it. But I think your best bet's going to be draft picks, which is the perfect segue into what we need to talk about next.
00:36:23
Speaker
And I even dug out my handy dandy, my, my draft notebook. I, that's why we were kind of like recording. Cause I was freaking out cause I couldn't find my, my draft notebook. And I was like, there's no way I want to remember everything I wrote down.
00:36:41
Speaker
Okay. So I want to put a disclaimer before we get into any of this. And I tried to put this disclaimer into every episode we do about drafts and every year. I am not a guy that puts a ah round grade on somebody. When I go in and look, I just look at, you know, I'll grab this name from this list and I'll look at, you know, different film on them. I'll grab this name. I'll look at different film at them.
Evaluating Draft Prospects
00:37:06
Speaker
So the guys that I'm looking at, I have no idea if they're going to be a first round or second, third, fourth, fifth, pre, uh, preferred.
00:37:15
Speaker
undrafted free agent. I don't know. These are just guys that I've watched. I've liked and, and should be available for the Packers. I don't know if that's how you do it, but I just put that general disclaimer out there just in case. Joe, I'm an, I'm an idiot. So I i don't know.
00:37:34
Speaker
I don't know anything like I, the draft, the draft stuff. I appreciate you always bringing me on and I love getting to talk about draft stuff, but like. I, I'm not a professional. Like I, like all of these guys look like their first name name ah that they're all, they all look like first round picks to me because they all do crap. I can't do but i'm like, wow, that looks really good. And then someone's like, yeah, he looks like crap. He'll never get, he'll never play in the league. I'm like, Oh, well that's like, I'm part of a draft, uh,
00:38:08
Speaker
group message on X. And that's part of the only reason why I still have my Twitter account open is because of my, my messages over there with blue sky. Give us group messages, please. There's a few things I wish blue, blue sky would do. And I wish more people would get involved. So if you're listening to this, get involved with blue sky. It is much better than Twitter. It's, uh, you do have the occasional argument. Trust me. I know I just had one this week.
00:38:37
Speaker
but it has been a lot of breath of fresh air compared to what twitter has been the last few years, but You know i'm in a group with mafi and and kwano and like three or four other draft guys that will sit there and I put in a comment the other day and I felt like I was like a kindergartner getting talked down to from From three or fourth these guys because I was like wait because in my mind I didn't see out of everybody that I watched and all the stuff that I was seeing, I didn't see a since consensus. That's the guy we need. Yeah. Yeah. i saw I saw, you know, a handful of guys to, you know, maybe 10, you know, whatever guys that had tons of potential, but there was no polish to it to where that's a sure fire. That one's going to be the guy that you need to get, you know, uh,
00:39:36
Speaker
the next, you know, JJ Watt or whatever. Right. I didn't really see that. I just saw potential if this guy fixes this thing or this guy does this thing. Exactly. You know, he could be the next. And then, you know, I get the comment from Brian, you know, well, I got sick guys that have first round grades on them. OK, I'm sorry, dad. ah ah Well, see, that's the thing is like, I think to what it looks like is ah ah You are spot on, I think, with the idea of like every every person in this. In this draft class, the Ed Rush draft class.
00:40:14
Speaker
has something that they need to work on. They're not a finished product. It's really more just about what is their product right now that they can come and contribute immediately and how much of a project are you willing to work on to get them to their fullest potential. And yeah, there's probably like There's probably there's at least like three to four guys on this class that I would say like if they were drafted the first one like I probably would that that would make that would make sense. I think part of all what contributes to this also is it doesn't seem like a very strong skill position.
00:40:56
Speaker
draft like the quarter. It's not a really great quarterback draft. It's not a super great wide receiver class like so a lot of teams that probably would benefit more from a top tier quarterback, a top tier pass catcher or running back, something like that.
00:41:15
Speaker
are probably going to lean more towards guys like this that if these if this class was transported into like maybe last year's class, maybe these guys are getting knocked down to second third round grades because of the rest of the skill position talent out there. Pass rush is important, but I think so many more of these teams are focused on building around their offense that guys like this They're probably, there's probably a couple of guys in here that sneak into the first round that maybe wouldn't in a different draft class. And we're at the position again, like the Packers normally are where we're towards the end of the, you know, the end of the round anyway. And, and, you know, you're not going to get that sure fire guy in the first place. And I think that's a common misconception with a lot of, uh, uh, fans is.
00:42:09
Speaker
When you start getting further down in that first round, yes, they're supposed to be, you know, your, your top guys that are supposed to start right away, but the further down you get, the more they are going to be that high potential guy. So I know a lot of that we were even talking about and a lot has been said about Rashawn Gary and, and Lucas van Ness. They were mid round first guy, first rounders.
00:42:37
Speaker
but You know, they they were still not quite in that top tier. So by the time the Packers got into that but board, you know, they couldn't grab a, a Will Anderson, they couldn't grab guys like that. They had to get what was going to be next best for them that fit their profile that they thought that with their co their coaching staff, they were going to get a star out of them. So.
00:43:07
Speaker
We're looking that at at that again, but only in a little bit of a worse spot because we're 10 to 12 picks away from that. So with that being said, there's two guys that I know you're probably going to talk highly about right now. I did watch, I didn't make notes on because I figured I was like, Dan's going to be on. Dan's going to talk about these guys. So I'm going to let you have the floor for this and I'll just give you some of my thoughts afterwards.
00:43:36
Speaker
It, are you referring to, uh, the 2025 champion Ohio state Buckeyes, Jack Sawyer and, uh, DJ two of them out. I can never, I never remember. It's supposed to be here. Quanto is the one that pronounces these names for me.
00:43:57
Speaker
He pronounced, he pronounces these names and also he's ducking my ass that Michigan SOB. Like I came on here last year and I took all of my lumps watching his team win a championship and I get to come on here with maybe the best class of Buckeyes that we've seen in a decade run through a four team playoff And Mike Kawano is at Chuck E. Cheese. So. Well, here, we'll we'll clip that, but I want you to give him a speech right now. I will stay silent. I will even mute myself.
00:44:37
Speaker
Mike, I love you, buddy. this this year,
00:44:44
Speaker
is what you should be expecting moving forward. I know, I know that you can come at me with head to head record. It eats me up inside. I understand that Mike, but what,
00:45:01
Speaker
what progressed after that is exactly what the Ohio state juggernaut is and will be moving forward. and I'll give you the win in November, but I hope you realize that it released a Kraken that will not be put back into its cage. And I look forward to seeing you again in November. And finally, good luck with the NCAA, if you have a program after they're done with you. Thank you, Mike.
00:45:42
Speaker
And see, I'm just sitting over here in Iowa, hoping we have some kind of compet competitive team. What's the punning situation look like? I hope. Hey, we got another Ozzy punter. I love him. Okay.
00:45:58
Speaker
okay So I might, I might go away from where you're sort of thinking with this. I'm not crazy about Sawyer or to a model. Oh, like Jack Jack's, a player like Jack Sawyer exists in the Rudy quadrant of college football players. Like he is, he's not like undersized. I'm not saying he's like, you know, that, but like Jack Sawyer was great in college because he's not going up against NFL talent every single week. And he has an absolute crazy motor and drive to be a good football player. That can take you, so that can take you a lot of places in college football.
00:46:46
Speaker
I don't necessarily know how much it really translates to when you're playing Penny Sewell twice a year. Like it just, I don't think he has enough to translate into someone that's going to be a high impact style player. And it's the same kind of goes with JT. JT seems, he's got a little bit more raw athleticism to him. And so I think the upside on him is actually higher than it is on Jack Sawyer.
00:47:15
Speaker
But JT JT also benefited from playing on a really great defensive line. I am not sure how much he can do when you're just relying on him to do it by himself, unfortunately. So it I hope I'm wrong. I really hope I'm wrong. And both of them are great.
00:47:40
Speaker
i would I would not go anywhere near them until like the fourth or fifth round. Like they are day three guys in my book. And really that's what I was talking about when I put my disclaimer out there. There there are guys that look like they could, they have certain tools to do it, but there's no polish or, you know, ah ah nothing really popped out. I think they played off each other pretty well.
00:48:08
Speaker
Yeah, I think they did great with the situation that they had. I'm not saying that they aren't going to be stars in the league and, you know, going forward. Um, I just, I'm not sure if they will work for the Packers and the way Packer fans would hope for him. This was another thing that I, I was kind of questioning with the group, the group chat.
00:48:35
Speaker
Do the Packers continue to go off the measurables that they like, or do they wander from them a little bit? Because right now the typical Packers edge rusher is between like six, five, six, six, 270 to 280. Those are mainly your pure strength guys. Right.
Need for Faster Edge Rushers
00:49:02
Speaker
They have all the moves in the, you know, athleticism and all that to do whatever you need them to do, but they're more your, your bull rush, your strength guys. Do the Packers slide off that a little bit and go with somebody a little bit more around the two 52 55 era or range. That is more your speed guys. Those two guys for Ohio state.
00:49:28
Speaker
I won't say the Ohio state because that's just I don't understand that from you guys. You know, that'd be like me saying the Iowa Hawkeyes again.
00:49:41
Speaker
I don't think those guys fit the speed type of thing, the Packers. Yeah. No, they fit the model of what the Packers are normally take.
00:49:52
Speaker
But I don't think they fit the model of what the Packers need. The Packers have plenty of strength. They just don't have a ton of speed right now coming off that edge. So that is more where I'm seeing it. So while I may grumble that they took another Ohio State Buckeye, I wouldn't be against them taking these guys. I just don't know if I see them fitting exactly what the packers need at the moment. That is exactly right. that That's what i I want. I want the speed. I don't want i don't want
00:50:33
Speaker
More than Mickey's over here telling Rocky to eat a thunder and crap lightning kid. Yeah, I don't I don't want I'm i'm tired of I'm tired of drafting the the Blake Martinez's of the world and saying like, well, they they've got more drive than anybody. they' They'll get in there and they'll make the like, I want to draft talent. I want to draft the athleticism. I want the guys that They could roll out of bed with a hangover and, and have two pressures and a QB knockdown. You know what I mean? Like that, that's what I want. I want the guys that are just the raw athletic power. And, and I say Jack Sawyer could be very, but he, I think Jack Sawyer probably ends up playing in the NFL for a while because he's going to be a kick-ass special teamer.
00:51:29
Speaker
he's he's going to, and that's not a bad thing. i think he will i think i think quite funny that some of these guys think of him as a first roundunder and hear dan say he's go to be a hell of i think I think he, I think he, I think he plays, he plays as a rotational pass rusher. I think he gets, he gets probably like 30%, 30%, 40% of like defensive snaps somewhere in there. You know, he comes in on,
00:51:55
Speaker
on pass rush downs, but he makes his money and sticks around with the team because I think he becomes a special team. Mark Murphy was a special teams ace and look where at tom him so Ted Thompson. Thompson. I think that's what I was thinking of, Ted Thompson. like Jack Sawyer can be a really good productive player for an NFL team. I just don't think he's going to be a star pass rusher for an NFL team.
00:52:25
Speaker
And that could be the case. and you know And I've been wrong on things before. I will fully admit I was wrong on, I'm one of many that was wrong on the TJ Watt front. Same. I was about to say, are you going to say TJ Watt? Because that was me too. Well, I mean, and and I will go into this because I get into this argument all the time on Reddit and Twitter and and Blue Sky and all this, that knowing the information we had at the time, TJ Watt was not a good thing.
00:52:55
Speaker
Yeah, he was two years into a system. He was two years into a position. He's never played before. He was, he's full of injuries. He disappeared in big games when he was absolutely needed. So to think that he was going to turn into what he is now is almost impossible. But anyway, that's an argument from almost fuckwit 10 years ago.
00:53:20
Speaker
15 years ago, 11 years ago. It was what that was the, that was the first draft. My wife and I started dating because I remember draft. I remember, I remember trading out of that first round. I was at her house and I'm like, I, it was the same thing. I'm like, damn it. Like I stayed up for nothing. Um, so I'm going to throw a name of a guy out there. Okay.
00:53:42
Speaker
And again, I'm going to lean heavily on my disclaimer that I don't put rounds on guys. So I have no idea where he's going to go or anything like that or whatever. But there's a couple of things that are going for him. One is he knows the Halfly system. He's coming from but Boston college. Okay. Two, he's what we were just talking about where he has tremendous speed.
00:54:10
Speaker
And the third thing that I say that he's got going for him is he's got one of the best swim moves I've seen in a long time. And you really don't see that off the edge anymore. And this guy in one game, and I can't think of who he was playing off the top of my head, did the swim move on two guys back to back. And he succeeded both times. I mean, it was just running back, swim move, tight end, swim move. And I just got your quarterback, son of a bitch, Boston College. His name is Donovan Evryaku. Yeah.
00:54:48
Speaker
but he is a red, he is an edge rusher. Uh, you know, he's a speed rusher. It looked like he has some good balance. His bend was all right, but that definitely could use some work on it. I thought he had a ah ah solid and initial punch. his edge setting wasn't bad. So, I mean, he's got that going for him for somebody who's a little bit.
00:55:11
Speaker
undersized compared to what the Packers I think he's listed at like 254 something like that and he's got everything that I was just talking about the speed the quickness and all that thing and like I said I just I couldn't get over it in one game and it was on the same play he had the tight income after him boom over the top running back tried to come in boom over the top and he still made the play and I was like holy shit But I love the kid. And like I said, I think the number one thing that he's got going for him is Jeff Halfly.
Potential Draft Picks and Player Evaluations
00:55:46
Speaker
If Halfly says, I want that guy on my team because I know what I'm getting out of him. I know what he's capable of. And he's going to add something to this team. What better endorsement can you have? No, that's totally right. I think it'll be very telling when, if it gets to and think gets to the second round,
00:56:09
Speaker
depending on how the, depending on how the board falls, it gets to the second round and let's say we've had five, six edge rushers off the board already. And second round comes up and he's on the board and the Packers pass on him. I think that'll tell you everything you need to know about what Jeff Halfly thinks about, uh,
00:56:37
Speaker
Donovan. I like him too. Like you say, like a little undersized for what the Packers usually go for, but kind of, that's kind of what I'm looking for. It's like, like we talked about, like I don't want that same style. I, I like his ability to just get up. Like you said, get off the line and it does not matter kind of what's going in front of him.
00:57:05
Speaker
get to the quarterback, get to the backfield, like as quickly as possible. kind of in terms of like the pastor, to me he's, he's one of the more polished ones. Like a lot of the top guys, like, like Pierce, Carter, uh, Williams, the guy from Georgia, like,
00:57:26
Speaker
are all very like pure athletic and a lot of the stuff is need to work on hands, need to work on moves. Donovan was kind of one of the few that was like,
00:57:38
Speaker
That part of his game is is pretty good. He kind of needs to bulk up. He know kind of needs to be able to be stronger to hold that edge a little bit more. So i I like it. i can i throw Can I throw a name at you, my my draft crush that I am? for it. That's what we're here for. i this is a This is a guy that I think i think he, I think When you're kind of putting everything together,
00:58:08
Speaker
i think he could I think he could fit what the Packers are looking for in terms of their measurables. I didn't write them down, but I'm pretty sure they were right about there. I think he's like 6'6", 6'5".
00:58:26
Speaker
And I think he also fits what we're sort of looking for in terms of the athleticism and speed around the edge. And that's Shamar Stewart from Texas A and&M. Yeah.
00:58:39
Speaker
big, big dude, and he's and he's quick. And honestly, everything everything I saw about him where his weaknesses are plays too focused, like doesn't, you know, can kind of get lost in like uh like pursuits or doesn't the whole thing the one that was like seaball get ball like he kind of like yeah there's a step behind sometimes and reading run defense and stuff i don't care that great go go from point a to point b i don't care if the ball goes to c i want you to a to b because on those times that it does go to b i want you there
00:59:22
Speaker
but ruining the play. And so I, I, I just, every time I watched him, I'm like, gosh, like he's a, he's a massive kid. He's so quick. And he's just the kind of guy that I think fits perfectly with what the Packers look for physically and what they're missing from on that defensive line, which like we said, is just that raw speed again to get into the backfield.
00:59:52
Speaker
And then throw in his teammate, uh, uh, Nick's Gordon. And, you know, I thought I, ah ah I am going to go on a small rant because we're, we're getting to the point where we got it.
01:00:05
Speaker
I miss the old days of armchair scouting, where you could go on YouTube and you would find cutups on everybody that you needed to. Now people are not doing cutups. They're just throwing, well, this ah offense versus this defense. So you've got, okay, which number am I looking for now? and and There were so many times when I was doing that, I couldn't tell which one I was watching because they were doing, they were so similar. ah only difference between the two is Nick is, uh, two inches shorter. Otherwise they were there's tame build and everything else, but they're both similar. So I think if you could really, you know, get either one of them, again, I don't know what round I think you'd be pretty good with it. Cause you're going to get a similar player out of both of them. And.
01:00:51
Speaker
you know, to add to it, you know, when a player is getting the majority of the double team, there's got to be something special to him. And that's what I said about Stewart is he tended to be double teamed often. So when you're seeing that, then you know, offenses are scheming to stop him. Right. And, you know, that that's a telling thing to me.
01:01:18
Speaker
So yeah, I really enjoyed it. And the thing the thing too about Nick, he's 20 years old. He can't even drink yet. So like um there you go, we'd have another Kenny Clark. That's right. It's next Kenny Clark. Like there is something to be said about drafting a guy that young were 10 years from now. He's barely grazing 30. That's 10 years of prime production age. There's there's something to be said about the value in that.
01:01:51
Speaker
And you know, the Packers tend to do that. The only, there's only been a couple of times that their first round pick has been over like 22 years old since Gudakun's just taken over. So, uh, I will give one guy that I wasn't overly fond of, but I see that he gets talked about a lot is Landon Jackson out of Arkansas. I wasn't overly impressed with him. Uh,
01:02:20
Speaker
You know, he he's got the, his listed size is what the Packers, you know, and MO is. He did look a little bit quick off the edge, but he seemed to be, to try to be more of a speed guy. He didn't seem very.
01:02:36
Speaker
Uh, physical, and especially for his, his given size. And, and, you know, his, his past fresh moves was very limited. So I just, I, I wasn't overly impressed with him. Yeah. He kind of plays,
01:02:55
Speaker
he almost kind of plays smaller than what he is. Yes. You know what I mean? Like, like you said, he should be with that. I think he's like six, seven, something like that. He's in like, he's huge. Yeah. He's seven to 80 is what NFL draft bus has him lifted as like and And like you said, it seemed like a lot of times he kind of almost like it feels like he forgets that he's he he has that ability and or maybe it's not there. Like what the power that you would expect from that kind of player doesn't seem to always translate every single time when I see him.
01:03:38
Speaker
one One more that I wanna throw at you, because this one is one that I am, as a Mac school graduate, I love looking at the small guys, the small the law school guys. Mike Green, I'm interested on your take on him.
01:03:56
Speaker
Well, I will be honest, I didn't watch him. OK. Because a lot of times when the armchair scouts are saying, this is the guy we need to take, this is the guy we need to take. I don't watch him because nine times out of 10, the Packers don't even mess around with. Right. So Mike Mike Green played played at Marshall. Yeah. hes i use use it Yeah. Under undersized a little bit. But led the led FBS in sacks.
01:04:26
Speaker
But the issue, he played Ohio State this year. And I remember going into the Marshall game, it was, it's still Will Howard's like first or second game. And I'm like, they keep talking about this Mike Green. And I remember 10 years ago when Ohio State played Buffalo,
01:04:48
Speaker
and went up against Khalil Mack and kept Buffalo, Buffalo got blown out, but kept Buffalo around for like a quarter and a half just because Khalil Mack was game wrecking everything. right And I was kind of worried about Mike Green being that same thing. And he got completely shut down. And I'm like,
01:05:09
Speaker
Everyone like he like hit the stat numbers show up like this his production shows up like this But then like the one time he kind of went up against top flight NFL level talent He disappeared And so that could be a multitude of anything sure sure sure you know, not having the, as physical ability to be able to do it. right It could be that he wasn't coached proper, not saying that they have bad coaches, but maybe he wasn't prepared as well as he needed. totally So that could have been anything.
01:05:45
Speaker
Could have had a stomach flu. It literally could have been anything. I remember nothing of the Bears game because I caught that norovirus. I was temping at 102.4, so that whole Bears game was a fever dream for me. I think you were the lucky one.
01:06:07
Speaker
There's only like two plays that I remember out of the whole game. Christian Watson getting hurt and the punt returned. The two, maybe the two worst plays of the game.
01:06:21
Speaker
But yeah, I didn't tend to watch my green one because I was running out of time with all the other ones that I watch. And like I said, it seems like everywhere I turn, you know, they're they're hyping him up as this is the guy the Packers need to go for. And and like I said, nine times out of 10, those guys that they're talking about aren't aren't the guys that the Packers tend to to take. Not that it wouldn't make a good story. And I think if it was 10 years ago and it was Ted Thompson running things. Right. Oh God. This is, that might be his, you know, number one pick or whatever, but, and there was another one that I was going to watch, but I was struggling to find anything on him. And he was from a small school. It's like central Arkansas. Uh, Daniel, is it Weaver? David Walker, David Walker.
01:07:18
Speaker
And, and I think he's a little bit similar to green where he's only six to two 60. And, you know, he was ah ah from whatever everything that I read, he was a massive numbers guy. He was, he was stacking up the numbers and all that. But, you know, you, you got to wonder about some of those guys. Is it because it's a.
01:07:42
Speaker
big fish in a small pond that they're having a success or are they really, you know, just that damn good? Because you sometimes, especially now with the transfer transfer portal, you got to wonder why they didn't go to a bigger school don't because they would have a better way of getting into the NFL if that's what they wanted. And there's nothing wrong with it. Some guys just have loyalty. I think that's the only reason why we've got The University of Iowa has got some of their five-star recruits because two out of the three out of the last five years have been legacies. And that's the FNSs.
01:08:24
Speaker
ah ah But there's a couple of other guys that I watched and we'll we'll kind of wrap it up here since you we're already at the hour and 10 mark. Princely,
01:08:39
Speaker
um um Umanilian out of Ole Miss. I think he's a tremendous speed rusher, but he needs to work on his pass rush soon. And then Ashton Gillette out of Louisville. I thought he would be a tremendous guy to pick up. So oh final question for you before we finally wrap up and all that good stuff.
01:09:06
Speaker
oh
01:09:08
Speaker
your Your boyfriend could have good against calls you and says, Dan, I'm having trouble here. I don't know what to do. You know, I, somebody gave me your number and said, you'd be the guy to talk to out of everything. You don't even have to give me a name on a player. Just what position group that you think that the first round pick is going to be for the green Bay Packers. What do I do? Dan, tell me.
01:09:39
Speaker
Uh, Brian, I heard I was got a great punter. Like I think you should look at, he's not eligible for another couple of years.
01:09:51
Speaker
honestly, if it, if it's me and I haven't dug too deep into what the full draft cat of the the draft looks like this year yet, but.
First Round Pick Strategies
01:10:03
Speaker
I think you have to go, I think you have to go one of three ways. I think you either go defensive line, whether that becomes an edge rusher or becomes a ah tackle, a top flight tackle. There's a just kind of grazing at it. There's a decent amount of tackles, a couple of the, I would, I would take the Ohio state defensive tackles before I take the pass the edge rushers. I think you go defensive line, offensive line or cornerback.
01:10:32
Speaker
is where I think you go. You think offensive line really in the first round? i Just depending on depending on how the how everything falls, if if the if nothing jumps off the screen at you, edge rush or pass rush wise, I should say.
01:10:52
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if if there is If there's a top flight offensive lineman on the board, I i wouldn't say no to it just because I think offensive line is quickly becoming a position of need and I would rather address it now than wait a year or two when you know, who, I can't even remember who it was that came in at, at guard halfway through that bears game. the, the rookie, I I forget, I forget, I forget his name. It was, it was a undrafted, I was like, it was a turnstile. I'm like, Oh God, like we need something to happen. And so it involved Christian Watson getting better.
01:11:39
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fair So, yeah, I think it all depends. i I that's not the sexiest position. I think if there's other spots available, I'd go there. But if there is a top top tier offensive lineman that falls down just because of the way the board falls, I wouldn't turn my nose up. But I think it becomes a it's becoming a position of need. And I'd rather build a young core around my offensive line versus a Cornerback or a pass rusher that makes a year or two to develop. Give me a, give me, so i'm I'm a, I'm a big 10 guy. Give me an office alignment. Yeah. I mean, I think you're wrong, but yeah, no, I just, I I'm in the group that I even questioned why they took Jordan Morgan last year. Sure. in the first round with what they were setting up, but
01:12:31
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Yeah, that's all. Who knows? Nobody knows what good a Chris is. He could be calling random fans and say, Hey, Hey, what do I do here? Fair. So Dan, I appreciate you. You know, we always love having you on. Hopefully we can get you back on when Mike doesn't have so many birthday parties or whatever. Hey, as a mom, I understand. Cause some of those parents don't prepare far enough in advance.
01:12:58
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Well, see, I'm kind of wondering because, you know, we're still in like the winter months here. Right. You know, how many parents are having kids in the winter months? you Aren't they supposed to like conceive in the winter and have in the summer? my my first My first son was born at the end of January. My second kid's getting born at the beginning of March. yeah Well, that just says you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to continue in the winter and have in the summer. And my my wife and I were both were both born in December and January.
01:13:27
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ah ah See, the most ah ah I was born in July, my brother was born in July, my sister was born in October, and I had another brother that was born in June. So, you know, at least my parents did it right. we ah ah Mine wine were conceived in the and the NFL offseason. That tells you where my priorities are.
01:13:48
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All right, Dan. Oh, tell everybody where they can find you and what, you know, how to the check you out. Yeah, for sure. Mondays, at least for right now, Mondays on packet day, that would probably change as we get to the draft content, but I'll be doing something for the draft content for a packet day. check all of our stuff out over there. And then, I am pretty much only on blue sky at this point. Uh, so check me out over there. It's at Daniel, the mano.
01:14:14
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Yeah. Like I said earlier, blue sky is, you know, much better than me. I only keep my Twitter just in case I have to get ahold of some people that haven't decided to migrate over to blue sky, but I have been off of that off Twitter for long. I haven't even decided to call it X yet, but that that'll do it for our edge rushers episode of the Ohana. Ohana Packers edition. I even forgot what our name our title was because normally Mike doesn't shit a podcast.
01:14:44
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Uh, you can find me at Iowa, Joe at blue so on blue sky. You can find the show. They're not, we haven't quite done the show on blue sky yet, just because I'm bad enough trying to do my own shit on there, let alone do the the show on there also. But we are are on Instagram, Facebook, all those good things. Ohana Packers edition. Uh, do check out our website. Ohana Packers.org where we have, you know,
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01:15:37
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