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OPE Season 3 Episode 44 Help Wanted: Saving the Packers D-Line
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Is the Packers D-Line a disaster? Mike and Iowa Joe tackle the tough questions this week, joined by Jake Schyvinck. We're diving deep into the issues, the potential fixes, and the draft prospects that could be the answer to Green Bay's prayers. Hit play and let's debate the future of the Packers front line!
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Intro
Introduction & Guest Welcome
00:00:22
Speaker
Aloha and welcome back to another episode of the Ohana Packers Edition podcast. We continue our pre-draft preview. Pre-draft preview. Say that 20 times fast. We have Jake Shevink on today to talk about D-line.
00:00:34
Speaker
I know we did do edge rushers earlier, but
Jake's Insights on NFL Draft
00:00:37
Speaker
we're going to let... we're going to let jake dabble there because he's got a couple draft crushes in that group but we're going to focus more on defensive tackles and tweeners but jake thank you very much for hopping back on with us again this is making it consecutive years for you and we really appreciate your insight into the draft and Obviously, I love all your pre-draft work, but my favorite is after that the felt after the NFL draft and you do the Packers picks and how they fit in. So thank you so much for being back on and welcome back to the show.
Packers Defensive Line Review
00:01:07
Speaker
Yeah, great to be here. Had a blast talking about Ed Drescher's last year. That was a lot of fun. I know we were we we took a long time going through the top guys, and i'm I'm sure that I'm going to try to not talk the ear off of everybody because this is a deep class that that we're going probably be talking about today.
00:01:25
Speaker
It is. And okay, and before we get into it, don't worry, Joe and I, we have reconciled after I have missed two shows in a row, i think. there There will be care packages from my son's birthday party that will smooth that over. But alas, head forth, we dive in. And first off, as we've kind of been doing, we're going to recap where the Packers sit. So Packers, current D-line room.
00:01:48
Speaker
So the and these are just the guys who really contributed on some sort of significant or meaningful level
Should Packers Re-sign TJ Slayton?
00:01:55
Speaker
last year. So in the edge room, you have Rashawn, Lucas, Kingsley, Brenton Cox Jr., and Aaron Mosby.
00:02:04
Speaker
Defensive tackle, you have Kenny Clark, Devontae Wyatt, Carl Brooks, and Colby Wooden. And the lone... free agent of note from that room is TJ Slayton. So I guess we'll start there, you guys. Slayton, any thoughts on whether, you know, I don't think anyone from this class is anywhere near a must resign, but I've kind of gone back and forth on Slayton in terms of team bringing him back. What do you guys think? Right price, right time kind of guy, or they might look to move on to get more of their quote unquote type for half these defense.
00:02:43
Speaker
I
Packers' Defensive Strategy Needs
00:02:43
Speaker
I'm kind of up in the air with him. I mean, I'm not going to complain if he's brought back, but I don't think it's a huge loss if he's not, uh, The sad fact is, is he probably fits more of a three, four. So he was better off when the Packers were in a three, four, but I think he also can fit that Gilbert Brown mold of a four three where he's not going to give you a ton of pass rush, but he's your run stopper that you're going you know, you you're going to trot them out there when it's obvious run situations, because he is going to hold up that his gaps.
00:03:24
Speaker
I think a lot of it's going to be what they put around him. so I don't think he's going to be an in-season type of contract extension.
00:03:34
Speaker
It will be towards the end of the season and see what he's done. you know This is basically his prove-it year. He is a free agent right now.
00:03:47
Speaker
Oh, he is a free agent right now. yeah yeah I thought he had one more year on... No, he's a 21 pick. So, yeah, he's... Hold on. Let me... 21, 22, 22, 23. Yeah, that's four years. So, yeah, he's going to be a free agent. What is it in... What is that, like 10 days or whenever the hell the league year rolls over? Okay.
00:04:04
Speaker
Well, then I'm completely wrong in everything. I was thinking he still had one more year on the contract. So, I don't know. I really don't. If it's the right price... Let me rephrase all this. If it's right price, bring him back. If not, I don't think it's a make or break.
00:04:19
Speaker
You know... Again, I think he is going to, his body type and his play style does fit more three four than it does 4-3. So, you know, and i think we were set with that with Kenny Clark.
00:04:33
Speaker
And I said this last week with Dan, and I'm going to say it again this week. I do completely disagree with Andy Herman. I don't think Kenny's on a downhill slide. I don't think he's, you know, he's already hit his peak.
00:04:45
Speaker
I think it was just, you know, change from three four for his whole career, dating back to UCLA to going to 4-3 for the first time, probably since high school, if he ever played it in high school.
00:04:59
Speaker
I don't know. what You know, I'm not that deep in the woods to know what his defense was in high school, but I know UCLA is pretty good at the 3-3-5. And, you know, Green Bay, ever since they
Draft Picks Forecast
00:05:12
Speaker
drafted him, has been three four So i think he can pretty much fill the spot of what Slayton does. And then, you know, I guess since I was misthinking everything and thinking TJ still had one more year on his deal, you know, i guess D-line has become more of a need than I thought it was going to be.
00:05:35
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I think with Slayton, I think it comes down to what are you trying to add to the room through the draft, right? Are you trying to find a player like him who's going to come in on early downs and and be that force against the run? Because there are several guys who can do it.
00:05:50
Speaker
So if you feel like, well, we can get a cheaper option mid-runs of the draft, if if that's what they feel like they need to add, if they feel comfortable at three tech, which I'm sure we're going to talk about in a few minutes here, but if they feel comfortable there and they want the one tech run stopper, I mean,
00:06:04
Speaker
they could go to the draft for that. I don't know if it's just a TJ Slayton coming back as a, as a must do for them. I think they have other, other things they want to take care of in terms of the free agents, but yeah, I think it just depends on, on what they're looking for in the draft. Are they going to want to add two to two guys to this room or is are they going to just add pass rushers to the room? Like what's their approach? If, if they want the run stopper,
00:06:31
Speaker
I think they can get one for for pretty cheap in this draft even. and And you get a younger player who I think could maybe find a way to gel with the defensive line. i I would prefer probably if they want that guy, go to the draft.
00:06:45
Speaker
Yeah, I've kind of gone back and forth. I like the strides that Slayton has taken in his game, but it really does depend on like What's he going to sign for? The good thing is that guys in that 3-4 nose tackle don't really pass rush much mold, don't sign very early or for very much in free agency.
00:07:07
Speaker
And... But at the same time, the like selfish reason I'm against re-signing him is i don't want Slayton being back to give Goody that, like, okay, D-tackle is good kind of thing. Because I do think that the three of us are in agreement that they need to make an improvement. Something that Joe and I focused a lot on this season is they really needed better interior rush as much.
00:07:32
Speaker
grief as the edge rushers got on this team there was inconsistent to no push from the interior especially from when wyatt got hurt early in the season to when carl brooks rounded the corner late and really and kenny did too but there was like a six to seven week gap in the middle you know the middle third of the season where you just got nothing from the interior unless you were blitzing one of quay or or Cooper. And that just can't be because you can't blitz your linebackers every passing down. So I do, I think I'm like 60, 40, 70, 30 on no, don't resign him because like you guys are both saying, this draft has a lot of talent, especially on the interior. There's a lot of depth to this group.
00:08:14
Speaker
And as much as I like Slated, he really did get the gravedigger celebration down pat, but you can find that guy again. And they've, they've just got to improve the talent in that room.
00:08:25
Speaker
But moving on,
Analysis of Draft Prospects
00:08:28
Speaker
Jake. So like I said, I'm going to give you the floor in terms of what, you know, what we saw from Halfley this season and what that means in terms of, you know, what kind of, you know, to use the bill parcels, what sort of ingredients Groot is going to stock the pantry with for him. So,
00:08:44
Speaker
All three spots, i like I said, i know we I know Joe and Dan touched edge before, but edge, de-tackle, and then kind of that tweener, like, end tackle spot. You know, what have you got in terms of guys, you know, body types, player types that you're keeping an eye out for the Packers this draft?
00:09:02
Speaker
Yeah, it would be, it would be, i would be remiss to not mention three Texas start, right? This is you, you, there's gotta be some, some added juice there. As you mentioned, Devante Wyatt getting hurt, that, that stunk. It certainly stunk for this group. Cause you felt like at the beginning of the year,
00:09:19
Speaker
excuse me, that Wyatt was coming into his own. And you could see like, okay, there are there are incremental steps we're taking here as a pass for sure. Not that he wasn't already good there, but the the jump to the NFL is a different level.
00:09:32
Speaker
And it was great to see him start taking those steps. However, when you got to the postseason, and again, it's the Super Bowl champs, that's fair, right? they They bullied a lot of people.
00:09:44
Speaker
But to just quickly in that game, fumble aside, whatever, I know there's a lot of stuff about that, but that play, the touchdown right afterwards where there was just nothing, it was like, nobody's going to gain any ground whatsoever.
00:10:00
Speaker
The Eagles could have probably protected hurts for a half hour back there, honestly, on that play.
Traditional vs. New Draft Strategies
00:10:06
Speaker
And it just felt like, okay, I like Wyatt. I like Brooks.
00:10:11
Speaker
I get it. They brought Kenny with the extension. That's, that's great. There there's gotta to be something else here. There's gotta be a guy who can at least at the very least wreak havoc from the three tech alignment. I think more so than what we have now and potentially right. As you, as we talked about maybe with the tweeners, but some of these Z tackles are kind of in that same vein of like, maybe you can move them around. Maybe you can put one of these guys at the five tech sometimes. And, and,
00:10:40
Speaker
you know really you know kind of put together some new personnel-like groupings in 25 on this defensive line if you have guys who are more versatile. So I think you've got to find the versatile, maybe versatile, maybe not, three-tech, pass-rushing type of defensive tackle who also isn't like a so superb liability against the run. right You don't want that either. So I...
00:11:04
Speaker
In this class. Well, to kind of interrupt you on that one. Go ahead. They technically already have two of them on the team. They just didn't use them as a versatile tackle.
00:11:15
Speaker
And that's Lucas and Rashawn. Because I said it last week with Dan. And Mike and I have talked about it. all It seemed like all year this year. When Lucas played at Iowa, he played more of an interior defensive tackle than he did as an edge Now he has all the tools to be able to play edge, but he's only, you know, he played a lot more D tackle.
00:11:39
Speaker
Same thing with, with Rashad. He played more of the D tackle in, in at Michigan than he did the edge. So really i don't, I get that they didn't want to put too much onto these guys because it's the first year into the system and, and didn't want to, okay, well, we want to work you on the edge.
00:11:59
Speaker
We'll, we'll maybe mix in a little bit more, but, they may be more comfortable in a 4-3 rushing as a tackle than as and edge. So I think we have the versatility.
00:12:11
Speaker
is The only thing is, is Halfley going to use them in that versatility role, or does he view them strictly as an edge-type player?
00:12:24
Speaker
Yeah, that's that's a fascinating discussion for sure. And yeah, I know Van Ness played a lot in the B gap. I just don't, i I struggle with Gary and Van Ness being enough of complete players. I know you can move them around and right. You keep them on early downs as edge guys.
00:12:40
Speaker
But I do struggle at times with, with, how I feel like they can translate sometimes inside. And I love what they bring. And I know people don't like this because they like the edge guys to get after the QB, but like they both played pretty darn well against the run this year. Nobody cares that Gary played well against the run, which I don't know why, like this is a different defense. You kind of like need to do that.
00:13:05
Speaker
Especially after they kept shooting him about it in the, the three, four schemes under Barry and Patton before. Yeah, so like I know that you know people don't really care about that as much, but like Van Ness and and Gary were doing a lot better against the run, and that's that's part of the switch. they you You have to
Importance of Disruptive Draft Picks
00:13:24
Speaker
be able to defend that. So I got a little off track there, but yeah, I think...
00:13:29
Speaker
My thing is, i just don't, I think giving Lucas more of a track and Gary more of a track to build it up as pass rushers when they, and I still think they need to do more of converting speed to power, Gary especially.
00:13:44
Speaker
Gary has gotten way too comfortable speed rushing around the edges of three, four linebacker. There's no question. He needs to get back to speed to power stuff. So when you give them more of that track, I think as as five texts, I like that a little bit more than three, but I i get it that like,
00:14:00
Speaker
you know they have played there, they can move around. But I do think like with the way Goody wants to build this, and I'm guessing him and Halfley have had conversations about this, right? Of like, yeah, we're going to stay big at edge. That's what we do here. That we're not like really going to pivot too much. Like we want to stay with the 270 guys out there. So yeah, so to kind of bring this full circle, I think to find the three tech who can kind of do it all,
00:14:29
Speaker
And it's going to it's going to take some draft capital to invest. There's no question, but they got to find that complete player because they're like as you said, there are certainly guys that they can move in there.
00:14:40
Speaker
event on certain downs, but to find the like guy that's like, yeah, we don't have to to take Scott off the field ever. Yeah, basically like what you're getting at is to get that guy that Wyatt was in theory supposed to become. and yeah I still think he can get there. it Like you you mentioned, it really does suck that he got hurt at all last season, but especially at the point he did because it really
Closing Remarks on Draft Impacts
00:15:04
Speaker
cratered their overall pass rush. It just truncated because he looked so comfortable within this scheme early in the season. It looked like he was really getting it between the ears.
00:15:13
Speaker
And then, you know, we'll never know, but it felt like he was never fully healthy again last season. Like that, whatever ankle and knee or whatever was ailing him was probably dogging him the whole rest of the season because he never had that same juice or explosiveness out of his stance that he had early in the season. And it...
00:15:31
Speaker
Really, it just tanked how good the defense looked. And I know that you know a lot of his production came against like the Titans and some of the other teams, but like you know you lose him, I think it was the Jags game, and then you don't have him against the Lions and you know going into that stretch, and the defense just looks totally different. Obviously, you lose Jair as well, but...
00:15:51
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. It's they've got to, you know, and it's kind of like the wide receiver room where last year you due to free agent or due to the salary cap situation, you had to in some to some degree bank on your picks and your interior internal development because you just didn't have the flexibility or the avenues to go out and sign a guy. You know, whereas this year, you know, they have some options. You can sign like a Milton Williams or something like that. But I do think it behooves them to.
00:16:21
Speaker
could you know As much as people don't want to hear it, they do need to just continue to invest in their defensive line. whether you know and That's why this first-round pick is probably 40% going to be an edge or a three-tech type because you know obviously everyone would love for it to be a cornerback, but...
00:16:41
Speaker
the likelihood that they're going to find their guy at 23 is not the greatest. You know, there's just more bodies between edge and tackle than there are at just corner in terms of what they're looking for.
00:16:53
Speaker
now let me throw this idea out to you. because I did this with Joey. All right. I get it. You know, Green Bay usually goes defense or for some reason, people are mocking offensive line to the Packers again in the first round this year. And that just that kind of I'm not sure about that.
00:17:13
Speaker
But. 2002 was the last time the Packers took a first round pick wide receivers. The draft is now in Green Bay.
00:17:25
Speaker
this I won't say that this is like a horribly deep draft for wide receiver, but there is a good chance that there is a wide receiver that the Packers really do love sitting there at 23.
00:17:39
Speaker
Is it possible after 23 years with the draft being in Green Bay that the Packers just come out and say, we're doing it?
00:17:50
Speaker
Can you imagine the type of fanfare that would happen? That guy would get like the key to the city instantly. He wouldn't even have to see the field and he would be a hero. It's true.
00:18:02
Speaker
i Joe, I appreciate you bringing it up wide receiver, even though I'm not here to talk about wide receivers because I'm itching to do it anytime possible. i would love that. I think it would be fantastic if they if they found if they found the guy For that, I echo Mike's sentiment as well about corner.
00:18:21
Speaker
Just feels like if you look at like the top guys and then guys coming off injury are kind of the guys that get mocked to Green Bay more. It just feels like Goody's going to have some reservations there.
00:18:31
Speaker
And I think there are plenty of other like mid-round options he might target. So it does feel like defensive line is like the direction they will go. I will say one thing about offensive line.
00:18:42
Speaker
I don't mind it because if they aren't going to give both tackle extensions this year, there's a chance they're letting Walker walk. And if so, like I know, oh who did it? Was it, it might've been DJ who put Josh Simmons there at 23. And it's like, yes, that's another guy off injury. So it kind of makes it's kind of in that same vein of the corners. However,
00:19:04
Speaker
If they're banking on Simmons to be that guy in 25 and beyond and kind of ease him back in, like, I could see that. But, yeah, like, they're trying to do the Zabel thing.
00:19:14
Speaker
We know that. I think we kind of – if the NFL is viewing him as a center, which Brugler has him ranked as a center, I think that there's kind of that indication. I think that's probably out the window, right? But, yeah, I think – It would be really fun, though. Wide receiver would be. Yeah. Just to touch on the the offensive lineman point, too.
00:19:34
Speaker
This is the year that they're not taking one unless that guy is – don't want to say definitely, but that guy's got to be able to play left tackle at some point. Like, that's that's the only – like, I understood – you know, like, I talked myself around into the Morgan pick where it's like, okay, like – I don't know if he can play tackle, but, you know, at least he's versatile enough that he should start somewhere for you within a year or two.
00:19:58
Speaker
But this year, it goes back to the point about that. I keep leaning on with my Jair being on the team this year. Reasoning is that the whole marching orders in the building is we are contending this year. We are Super Bowl contenders and.
00:20:16
Speaker
I'm not jumping fully into the light, you know, that so many people jump headlong into like their first round pick has to contribute on day one and, you know, all that kind of crap. But you've got to have a guy that like at the dead worst, you're getting Rashawn or Lucas where it's like there's immense upside, but you're getting some kind of on-field production from the start.
00:20:38
Speaker
And Like, you can't, i don't want to say you can't, but it would be really hard to stomach drafting, especially an interior lineman that's not day one Alan Fanica coming in for you and stealing, like, not stealing, he's just like taking a starting job and is going to make your line that much better.
00:20:58
Speaker
like You just can't have that pick play 5% of your snaps on whatever side of the ball this year. like That's just not an option at this point. And to kind of go back on the corner point, like I do think people are starting to realize like they would have to trade up. And it would take like the...
00:21:15
Speaker
This a super homer scenario, but like the scenario where you know Will Johnson, he did he struggled with some nagging injuries this year, fell out of the top 10 in some mocks. And if he gets to that 12, 16-ish range, that is you know you're at the point where Goot's got to start cashing in on some of these.
00:21:32
Speaker
you know He doesn't have a lot of extra picks, but this would be the year that it's like... Okay, like, you know, you kind of played the game with Quinion Mitchell last year. Go get your guy this year kind of thing and stuff. But otherwise, that's where I do think D-line is the position where it's kind of like, okay, like, there's going to be a lot of guys...
00:21:51
Speaker
I know we just spent five, ten minutes talking about three tech, and it's like, all right, like, the homer in me is like, okay, what's it going to take to go get Mason Graham? But if Johnson slips, Graham is probably going off.
00:22:03
Speaker
There's only so much short arms will drop him in the draft. But, you know, that's like – Let's use that as the springboard. Who are the pie dreams and who are the guys who are realistically in range? And we'll just start at three tech Jake, just so we can kind of, we don't have to jump all over the place, but three tech in day one, where are your eyes looking for, for the Packers start off?
00:22:24
Speaker
Yeah. Mason Graham, not withstanding, think the two, the two options, I think at 23 are Walter Nolan, Derek Harmon.
00:22:35
Speaker
I think those are the two places you have to start. Now, Nolan, interestingly, a little more undersized maybe than we expected, right? Coming in the Senior Bowl, right? I want to make sure I pull this up correctly, but he was like 293 or something like that. I've almost he He got Florida stated. That's like mid-2000s.
00:22:57
Speaker
yeah Bobby Bowden, like Lawrence Timmons is a 6'4", 250 guy, and he shows up at the combine and he's 6'1", 230 kind of thing. but Yeah. that that And then, you know, Shrine Bowl Jay Higgins, did you see that way in too? Like – 226. I'm like, oh my gosh, that dream's done. Well, he played like it though.
00:23:16
Speaker
I mean, he did. He, he looked big, but that's why it was so believable. Right. It was kind of like, oh yeah, yeah he looks the part of being big. And then it was, it was tough. That was a tough one.
00:23:27
Speaker
But yeah, Nolan's six, three to 93. So that's not, I don't think a death sentence in terms of the size, right. They've put on, but early, early,
00:23:39
Speaker
It might be. Because Wyatt obviously cleared a 3-0 for a threshold. Here's my question. Okay. Do you think that this could be also a year that Goody and them get outside their thresholds a little bit?
00:23:53
Speaker
Because, you know, i kind of mentioned this with Dan when we did the edge rushers, that the thresholds the Packers had for many years were under the 3-4 defense.
00:24:07
Speaker
And to be in the 4-3, you kind of have to switch up your thresholds a little bit just because that's the type of players you're going to need for the type of things that you need done. You know, like your edge rushers.
00:24:19
Speaker
Maybe you need to bring in a couple of guys that are only, you know, 6'3", 250 as your speed guys. Maybe at your... your yourre defensive line you need to bring in and you know lucas and gary size guys that are you know six four six five two seventy five two eighty five just to be because that was one thing that i saw a lot last year is there was no speed you know it it seemed like they there was a lot of power but there was no speed to it
00:24:51
Speaker
And if you want to have a decent four three you've got to have at least one or two speed guys to be able to, you know, eat up those offensive linemen.
00:25:02
Speaker
I mean, to, you know, you got your your your strength guys that eat up the blocks, but you got to have your speed guys that can get around that and make the plays. So is this the year that they could kind of start shifting their thresholds a little bit just to fit the type of defense that they're wanting to play?
00:25:20
Speaker
potentially I do think I do think you know in the three four I think Green Bay went like exceptionally heavy with their with their three four outside linebackers that's the only one that's the only thing that I may say like maybe they won't tweak it because they kind of were like already kind of in a weird spot where it was like oh this Gary's 277 we're putting him at three four outside linebacker like that was kind of a strange thing because they didn't have any speed out there at all right but Yeah, I think they got to find one, even in the 4-3. It would be really nice to find like that guy.
00:25:53
Speaker
it's probably I still think if it's going to be that guy, it's probably not going to somebody who's you know hovering around 240. It'll probably be somebody who's 250, which I think you know brings in the Azuraku conversation if he just adds like five more pounds at the combine and is still good to go.
00:26:11
Speaker
and I've got five pounds for him right here. oh I think I can hand off some too, you know.
00:26:20
Speaker
and Especially I loved him, man. And I know we're in more in the D linemen, but I just, there was, I think it was, what was it? the I think they were playing Mizzou.
00:26:31
Speaker
I don't know. i can't remember the game off the top my head, but there were there was a tight end and then the running back. And he put such a swim move over the both of them. then I just I had to rewind it like three or four times.
00:26:44
Speaker
Just like did he really just pop pop these two guys? And it was just amazing. He's got and a neuro cross chop type of thing going on, too. And it works.
00:26:55
Speaker
The cross chop dips, all those things like he can get to it. And it is impressive. And it's already the b the BC connections already there. yeah And going back to your your question about bending thresholds, Joe, the part where Ezraku has a leg up on a lot of those lighter edge guys, and it's something you know that we've talked about, Mafi, in our little draft group is he's long. like He's not one of those... like you know You see like a Nolan Smith or some of these other kind of compact speed rushers where it's like, okay, there's you know it's not that they're just light. They're light and short-armed kind of thing and stuff, whereas...
00:27:33
Speaker
Donovan, he's you know he's the guy that he can tie his shoes standing straight up kind of thing and stuff. then He doesn't have the broadest shoulders, but like you could see him getting to a good 252, keeping his agility, all that you know all that kind of stuff you want to see.
00:27:48
Speaker
And... That's where I do think, you know, five pounds here and there, they could be like, okay, we'll take this guy at 244 and be okay with it because he can, you know, we we're confident in our strength and conditioning program. he'll He'll be able to ward off blockers and, you know, keep his himself clean. And, you know, we're going to protect him with this and that and stuff.
00:28:12
Speaker
I think that's more believable than like if he had 32 inch arms and you're like, okay, he's breaking like two thresholds and that kind of thing. So I think they'll stick to it, but on a one-off, I think they'll be more willing to kind of like, okay, we need this type of guy.
00:28:28
Speaker
Let's go get him. If even if he's a little light or if he's a little this, and I do think that that the scheme opens the door for that. And it's kind of funny because, The old scheme, it was like you need specific guys who can do specific things at specific positions. This one now, I feel like what Halfley has shown is on the interior, Slayton was his like oddball where it's like, that's just a big dude. like He's there to anchor the middle of the line.
00:28:55
Speaker
I think in in his highest of hopes, he would have four or two guys on the interior that are kind of safe. It's the whole like interchangeable safety thing where it's like...
00:29:06
Speaker
you don't know which guy is your nose and which guy is your three tech on a given down. And that way, like, if you've got guys who can play that at 295 to 10, 315, that's the ideal that he's looking for.
00:29:19
Speaker
And I don't know if he really cares that they're short, tall necessarily. Just, like, they can't be such outliers in two directions if you look at them on, like, a spread chart kind of thing of where their measurements and stuff line up. So I do think that's what...
00:29:35
Speaker
they're going for in terms of, you know, what they're looking for on the interior. And I think in a roundabout way, Joe, it does open up more doors as opposed to like, we're looking for a 6'5 guy with 34 plus inch arms who's 315 and, you know, like he's got to hit five thresholds. And then like you get to round four and you're like, okay, we'll take a Dean Lowry, even though he's short armed, but you know, we're late enough in the draft. Whereas now you're kind of like, we're early enough that it's like, we'll do this because we need that three tech penetrator who will,
00:30:11
Speaker
play the run, but also is going to just force escalate our entire pass rush. So I do think it it opens up more avenues for everybody in that regard. And they have kind of kicked the thresholds out once before, just barely.
00:30:29
Speaker
And they took Jair in the first round, who just was yeah barely under a threshold for them with the height. So that's why I'm wondering if maybe they'll bend the thresholds a little bit more this year, being that it's a different defensive scheme than they've been working with in the past with their old thresholds.
00:30:46
Speaker
And then even with Ja, that's another one where he's slightly under on height, but he meets everything else kind of thing. So it, it yeah, it it does create, they, they've always been willing to bend a little bit, but it can only be in one direction. They're not going to do it.
00:31:01
Speaker
Not, not on day one or day two. They're not going to do it like, oh, this guy is short and small kind of thing. And we're going to like, take it like this. It's very rare early in the draft, but getting back to the linemen. Yeah, I've been derailing everything. No, no it's good. this this this Like I said, this position is going to create so much of the movement.
00:31:22
Speaker
I really do think this is the this is the tipping point for the Packers draft because it's going to determine what they do when in this draft because I do think they need across the edge in the tackle rooms.
00:31:33
Speaker
the they Whether they bring Slayton back or not, you've got to try and improve at least one player in each room in this draft. So... I know you've got a couple edge you've got a couple edge crushes, Jake, and this is the D-line talk. So give us your give us those hopes that you've got that you're clinging to for round one.
00:31:53
Speaker
For edge or for D-line? but Either. Take it where you want. Yeah, I mean, as long as as long as the the issue, you know, whatever with the dismissal was at at Virginia, if that's – kind of a not a big deal. And I know there's going lot of talk about that this week. Like, man, Mike Green has it.
00:32:16
Speaker
He has it. And if they're going to break it and go get the smaller guy, might as well get a guy who can run people over when he strikes you in the chest like that. And again, it's one rep. It's happening in in a drill that's probably, you know, favoring.
00:32:31
Speaker
the edge rush little bit because they can go kind of any which way. But to have a guy who clearly saw that guys were quick setting during those drills and were like, okay, they're quick setting. Well, I just got to go straight at them. Like,
00:32:45
Speaker
that bend that physical play like he he has he has so much to like like if he's if they're going to bend it like for not for Ezraku like who is again as we mentioned like he's he's 248 the senior bowl he looked just as surprised he did if he was playing anywhere less like all throughout Boston College and he has the 34 and a half inch arms right that that's gonna be a big deal for them but like if Green if they believe in the production with Green if they believe like this is a different player we absolutely must have for this room then let's go get it.
00:33:17
Speaker
Other than him... the The two obvious ones that are like very much like, oh, hey, these are Green Bay guys. I mean, it's Stewart and and Williams from Georgia, right? Stewart from A&M, Williams from Georgia. Those are like they're the constant like, oh, yeah, yep, this is it, right? Oh, the production's out there.
00:33:33
Speaker
Oh, well, we know they're like nine plus RAS athletes. Like, we know that. So, like, so for Stewart, who I think people are kind of like, he's in that same type, right? Where it's kind of like, oh, Van Ness, Gary, like, can you kind of – push him inside a little bit i think so but also like i know on pff for a lot of places he was listed at 290 came in at 281 that's four pounds heavier than where gary was uh when he was rolling around through the draft so you know if if he's somebody where you're like yeah we we believe in in all of that explosiveness all of that power you know some of the stuff he showed the senior bowl like all that stuff like they i can't imagine they wouldn't be interested there uh based on previous history and if they continue down that road and and same with williams right like who
00:34:18
Speaker
Again, the production, not great, but do dude is just like, if if they want the run game production that they got out of Van Ness and Gary this this past year and they want it to like potentially a different level, then go get him if if he's there. like He is going to provide that for you. He's got enough length. He can use it at times. he's Again, it's it's about a consistency thing bringing it. So...
00:34:41
Speaker
There's going to be a lot of edge rushers as well in the first round, second round, like that are going to go pretty early. And like if Green Bay kind of wants to step out of there, like, yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't see why they shouldn't. And we'll be eagerly awaiting what James Pierce's measurements look like as well. He's probably going to be closer to the two 40 than the two 50.
00:35:01
Speaker
But, you know, there's just, there's so many of them that that you you look at one thing or the other. It's like, oh, will they will they work outside the thresholds for an Azaraku or Green? Will they take Scorton? Will they take Stewart? Will they take Williams? Like, there are lot of options for them if they want to improve that room, for sure.
00:35:21
Speaker
The funny thing is, is under Stewart, my first note is prototypical Packer size. Yeah, yeah. It's the same as every other one the Packers have drafted.
00:35:32
Speaker
Yep. It's look, look at how he moves. He isn't, he isn't sacked anybody in about a month and a half, but look at the way he moves like that. That is just very much them. That is just, that's how they operate. And to their credit, it, I mean, clearly Gary, they saw something and it, and it, and it's worked. I know injuries have, have heard it now, you know, he's switching schemes, but like clearly they saw something and and they, and obviously they saw probably a similar thing in Van Ness when they took him. So there, there's a clear, as you said, pro typical Packer selection, like,
00:36:03
Speaker
i I would be shocked if Stewart wasn't someone that they are talking so much about. This week, the week after this coming combine and go like, yeah, he's just checking boxes. He went to the senior bowl. Packers love to go you know that direction plenty. So, yeah, I can't imagine Stewart's not there. And I remember reading because I hadn't really dug into Stewart a whole lot during the fall until about October.
00:36:27
Speaker
Because one of my one of the guys I listened to and read, he did a mock draft and he put Stewart as like, exactly like, if if you read the blurb, you go, oh, that's a, he sent him to the Lions. But if you read the blurb, it was like, oh, yeah.
00:36:40
Speaker
Okay. that's That's Green Bay. He's young player, tremendous athlete, traits over production. And like, that's, yeah, that is amazing.
00:36:52
Speaker
So them. So them. You've got to think that the Packers have that one guy in the scouting room that just, does he meet the Packer threshold? Does you know does does he meet the, you know, is he 6'5", 275? You know, there's got to be that one that eventually they're just going to have to say, shut the fuck up.
00:37:11
Speaker
Get out of here. Leave us alone. We're going to take this guy, whether he's Vincent or not. But... Yeah, him and since we're kind of touching on Edge here for a minute.
00:37:23
Speaker
Oh, come on. Get my fingers working here. Ashton Gillette out of Louisville, I thought fit a lot of the same thresholds.
00:37:33
Speaker
i And I always put this disclaimer out there when it comes to our draft stuff. I don't put any... round grades on anybody. let people smarter than me do that. I just look at film and say, yeah, that my that guy might fit.
00:37:48
Speaker
And I think Gillette fit a lot of of lot of the Packers thresholds. any And he played similarly that, you know, I think his athletic traits are going to be that of which the Packers would normally go after.
00:38:05
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Another guy who... can be explosive and also powerful and, and combine the two when, when he, when he would like to. Yeah. That was somebody where I was looking at it in the summer. I'm like, Oh my goodness, like this guy's popping everywhere. And, and then Brian obviously comes in, you know, and saying that he's not very tall.
00:38:23
Speaker
So, you know, he's kind of like, I don't, I've learned to say, Brian, shut the fuck up. I don't care. This is how, who I like. Yeah. He's like, I just not very tall. like, I get it.
00:38:35
Speaker
I get it. But like, you know, But Brian shouldn't say much because, and to kind of lead our way back to defensive line, one of the guys Brian Mafi has been talking about a lot is that Deontay Corleone.
00:38:50
Speaker
Well, he's only so listed as six one and you know that's pretty short for a defensive linemen. That's Mike Daniels' height. And Mike Daniels was viewed as a short defensive lineman.
00:39:04
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know... Why they would shy away from that. They can play the leverage game so much better, right? If they, if they have enough traits and they have enough play strength, like you can play that leverage game as, as a shorter guy, as long as the technique is there, like you can absolutely win that way.
00:39:23
Speaker
think there's, there might be one guy the border D line who i was thinking of for that. Oh yeah, there is. I think it's Peebles from Virginia tech. Cause just like, yeah, he's the ball of energy, but like, yeah, he's short, but like,
00:39:35
Speaker
he's going to be able to play the leverage game and and play the pad level game. Like he he's going to be able to win a lot in that way, simply because he's going to be going up against, you know, 90% of the guys are taller than him.
00:39:48
Speaker
And if they're standing up at all, like they're, they're in trouble because of how how he plays and how low he can play. So, yeah, I i don't think, i think it'd be great to not, you know, it would be great if Green Bay was like, yeah, we don't need to always check this box necessarily. Like, how does this, does he play like,
00:40:05
Speaker
you know Does he play like he's a 6'3", 310-pound guy sometimes because of how like strong and how good the technique is and how good the pad level is and and how well he can anchor even at that size? like It would be great to see them kind of – venture a little bit out more to to kind of seat like to recognize and also draft those types where it's like yeah we we just like the player and jayden reed was a great example of that it was kind of like whoa ye they jayden reed whoa like that was kind of out of nowhere and then and the more you dug into it the more like oh yeah they're they're right like they they went outside they're like we love this guy and
00:40:42
Speaker
If you didn't, you know, in in that draft, if you didn't go back to 2021 and you stuck more in 22, you kind of, you know, be a little disappointed. But once you go back to 21, you go, oh, yeah, no, they they already saw it the year before. They know.
00:40:55
Speaker
Like, and it would be great to see them do that with defensive line, whether be three tech, if they want a one tech, if they want a versatile guy, like to just have, you know, guys who go out and just ball would be awesome and and'd be athletic, of course. But guys can just ball at defensive tackle.
00:41:13
Speaker
but And it's Don Bain Corleone. I messed that up, so I i apologize if he's listening. But just stay on him a little bit.
00:41:24
Speaker
And again, I hate putting comparisons, but he did remind me a lot of Mike Daniels. And the thing about him is... he's not going to be asked to be put, he's not going to ask to put on weight like Mike did.
00:41:38
Speaker
You know, Mike came in as like six foot, six foot one, two 90, and they needed him to put on weight. Corleone already has that weight on him and his playing as that just disruptive D tackle guy. And, you know, in my little experience of playing football and,
00:41:57
Speaker
What I remember the coaches talking about when you know playing defensive line is you want to get low. And that goes to your leverage type thing. is if If he can already get lower than what the offensive lineman can get, then he's got a leg up on him.
00:42:15
Speaker
And, you know, I said he's got good size, although he's a little bit shorter. And he's got good strength and he's very disruptive. And, you know, he he's got a hell of a motor on him.
00:42:28
Speaker
seemed like he never quit. And I just want a guy with the last name Corleone on my team because I'm a big godfather guy. So I can just imagine all the edits I can make right now with him on the TV.
00:42:39
Speaker
Yeah, he would be awesome. It's it's been a long time because he obviously had to kind of step away from medical stuff one of his his previous seasons. And right. So it was, you know, I think you he was being talked about a lot. Even I think want to say for 2022 or no, 2023 NFL draft, too, is kind of like we're waiting for him to potentially early declare.
00:42:58
Speaker
it's like he goes back and then, you know, there's. you know, the the health stuff that he had to kind of take care of. But yeah, I mean, he's played nose. He's played three tech. Like he is, but he is, as you said, he is downright disruptive pretty much anywhere you want to line him up.
00:43:11
Speaker
That would be awesome. if If Green Bay just decided like, yeah, so if we want to kind of, almost kind of two birds, one stone. That's right. Like, and have him, you know, be able to be more multiple the front. If they want him to be that, if they don't, that's fine. He can, he can settle into a position I think he can succeed at either.
00:43:29
Speaker
Like, yeah, that is somebody who has just dropped way off the radar because he's been in college a while because he's, he's hung around there at Cincinnati, but like, yeah, he, he can be so, so disruptive when he's at his peak.
00:43:42
Speaker
Mike, I suppose this is the time because I'm going to take a minute to talk about my guy here pretty soon. But, you know, you got two Michigan guys that are coming out. Do you want to speak on them a little bit? I suppose I can give you a quick minute or two to say what you got to do. And if you throw national championship, I'll mute you in a heartbeat.
00:43:59
Speaker
So Mason Graham, we'll talk about Mason here because of the two, I think Mason's the one, you know, they would draft in the first if he somehow magically got to 23, which I highly doubt, or if they make a move to move up to get him.
00:44:13
Speaker
Because like like we've been talking about, that three technique is a spot that you've got to have to run a extremely successful four, three defense. And I think, so it works in a couple of ways. I think if you improve the three tech spot, you know, you can rotate that guy with Wyatt.
00:44:31
Speaker
Kenny goes back to being your de facto nose tackle where he's, you know, especially at this point of his career, his skillset plays up at that spot, as opposed to him trying to be like a gap shooting three tech at this point.
00:44:43
Speaker
But yeah, What Mason gives you is that guy who, you know he played, he put on so many different hats for Michigan. He was obviously your three tech.
00:44:54
Speaker
He's a guy who came in as a true freshman and didn't look out of place, which is really wild to do as an NCAA defensive lineman. Like, you know, just like we say in the NFL, rookies suck. True freshmen generally do struggle, especially on the line of scrimmage. But he never really looked out of place as a true freshman, especially down the stretch, played his best in the biggest games.
00:45:16
Speaker
And you saw it in the 2023 season. You just see so many. And, you know, some people might say, like, it's the highlight plays. But no, like just on a down-to-down basis, he's chucking people, splitting double teams. Yeah.
00:45:30
Speaker
he's the reason that Michigan got away without having an elite, elite edge, edge room the past few seasons, because you're just, you're just putting so many resources to, you know, plugging up the middle of your old line, because you're like, if we single block that guy, he's going around them. If we so we double team him, he's splitting them or juking them into each other and going around the, around the two of them.
00:45:55
Speaker
And, you know, the stereotype wrestling background, not the tallest guy, not the longest arms, but knows how to use his weight, use his strength, use his leverage and his push pull move.
00:46:08
Speaker
You know, you hear guys talk about winning fast and Wyatt is probably the only guy on the interior who wins fast, you know, just getting out of his stance. Graham can do that for you either shooting out of his stance or with that push pull move, because he's just, his refinement with that technique is so good.
00:46:26
Speaker
and Like I said, the reason he would get in range for Green Bay is where I wonder how much Goot would be willing to look outside of thresholds because it's like he's a little bit stubby. He's a little shorter. He should weigh pretty good because he's a pretty stocky kid, and he should test pretty well. yeah know He's not necessarily Bruce Feldman's freak list, but you see the guy move out there. You you watch like – and you just – The thing that I point to is, you know, you can look at any of his highlights, but you especially go to the run to the championship game last year, the game against Ohio State, the game, the Rose Bowl game against Bama, where he just eviscerates some of Bama's interior O-line. I know it's not the O-line from the 2000s and 2010s, but he just put on a clinic, especially in that overtime. He took over on several downs in that overtime.
00:47:16
Speaker
And... you know not to say any player is a sure thing or anything like that, but him hitting would solve so many of their issues on the D-line because, like I said, you shore up that three-tech, and without accounting for what Wyatt was doing before his injury, if you shore up that three-tech position, it just improves so many of the other things you do. It allows your power edge rushers to get to the quarterback because they're getting a push from the interior of the D-line, and...
00:47:46
Speaker
On top of that, if Wyatt is that guy, you can play the both of them at the same time and really just chew up into your offensive line, especially against the the least athletic the less athletic lines you're going to face multiple times this season. So that's my thing on – that's my – round up on Graham and then for for Grant so this I'll use this as like a the poker stick to get us into day two I think he would be more of a day two pick for the Packers it's one of those don't I think it's I think it's a little criminal to say he's a high ceiling low floor guy because I do think the floor is as a run stuffer you know he's got some technique things to work out but
00:48:29
Speaker
What 6'3", plus 340-plus defensive lineman from college doesn't have technique stuff to work out? those Those guys are going top five if they don't have technique things to work out.
00:48:41
Speaker
But, you know, he's going to... At worst, he's that guy who's going to clog the interior of your line and give you five-ish good pass rush sets a game because he's just going to either shoot a gap or run a guy over like he did to UW in the championship game a year ago.
00:48:59
Speaker
so But I think the reason he would go R2 more for the Packers is I think... it's It's more theory, and he's just big for what Green Bay prefers out of their defensive tackles, especially, you know, we kind of talked about, you know, what's the difference between what they're drafting for the 3-4 versus half of these four three And unless he trims out to like 3-28 or something, I just can't see them taking 3-40 match.
00:49:23
Speaker
i just can't see them taking a three thirty plus three forty deal tackle in the first round, even if they are staying at 23. I, I just don't really see it even at this point. So I think he would be a day two guy. i don't know if he would get to 55, but like if you do the 2008 where you move back, you know, I've seen a couple of people do like the, if they move back and recoup and all that kind of stuff, that's a guy that if you go into the first third top half of the second round, you could look at him there kind of thing. But,
00:49:57
Speaker
I'll turn it over back over to you guys. Day two guys that intrigue you for the Packers.
00:50:03
Speaker
I'll let Jake talk more on it because my thing, like I said earlier, I don't do round grades on things. So I'll talk about guys. But if you ask me what round I think they're going to go in, I couldn't tell you just because that's not that's not my deal because i could I could say this guy is an easy first rounder and he won't get drafted until the seventh round.
00:50:25
Speaker
Hey, that's how it goes, though. There's going to be, right, there's always going to be those guys who fall through the cracks where you see the good film and you wonder what's going on, and and maybe they're not the biggest athlete out there, and, and you know, they they teams still get the absolute best out of them. So that that certainly happens. Throw this out there. My former co-host Nick Gregory and I were huge on Fukunokuwa.
00:50:47
Speaker
And we kept getting told, well, he's not going to get drafted. He's not going to get drafted. And the Rams took him in the seventh. And now he's like one of the top receivers in the league. Yep. That was my most viewed video for a long time was Puka.
00:51:01
Speaker
The Rams fans were all over that. I remember most Rams fans commenting like, oh, you ran four, six. How can you be good? It's like, buddy. I don't care. Receivers don't line up in a track starting block.
00:51:13
Speaker
They used to kind of, but back in the day, but they don't anymore. And so, yeah. and and And the thing about him is he caught everything. Yep. There was nothing that could get, if it was within a span of his reach, he could catch everything.
00:51:27
Speaker
But again, I'm derailing everything. So Mike wants to know day two guys, Jake. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, i would i would tend to start with Darius Alexander just because you just talk about disruptive. You talk about just violent pop in the hands.
00:51:43
Speaker
He's got two-hand swipe moves. Like, he's got the Brooks two-hand swipe, but he also can run right through you with the bull rush. He can kind of turn the corner a little bit. And I think what the senior bowl highlighted about him, that people – we're maybe not expecting is watching him just absolutely destroy offensive linemen and like full team stuff as like a a seven tech, almost almost a wide nine. He's like way out, way out there as a defensive lineman and just two hands swiping dudes, winning inside moves. Like he, like he's a, like an edge rusher.
00:52:14
Speaker
So guys don't guys that big. i I'm surprised he moves like that. Uh, And I know, i think, you know, the the run game production and in terms of tackles for loss, in terms of the stop rate isn't isn't as great.
00:52:28
Speaker
But I do think he has, if he shows you enough power to win kind of that speed to power leverage game where he's staying low and and he's driving through guys in the bull rush, I think that tells me That I think what he's doing and and in this shows up on film to what he's doing against the run is he's trying to win arm over. He's trying to run through guys. Right. And and again, part of that certainly is you can attack him one gaps against the run. That's not necessarily things that they don't teach, but a lot of the time is what you want to see from.
00:52:55
Speaker
Mike's Michigan guys. you want to You want to sit there. You want to extend. You want to see what's developing in front of you. And then you know you shed an attack when you see where the back is going.
00:53:06
Speaker
If he improves it there, I think they're getting the player they potentially want. Now he is a lot older, right? He is, I think, what Devontae Wyatt was. And he will be that when they draft him.
00:53:18
Speaker
I mean, they already took Wyatt. were already taking a chance there, right? And it's's it's day two. I know the whole thing about like, oh, maybe he doesn't get the third contract. Yeah, but if he gets a second one and he's in the prime and he plays until he's 32 and he's he's playing at that high level, I'm not as concerned about it.
00:53:32
Speaker
And I think they would be less concerned about it on day two as well. So if Alexander's there, you know, 54, 55, I forget which pick. It might be 55, which what I think they have that second-round pick. Like, I...
00:53:43
Speaker
In terms of the disruptive capabilities of him, in terms of how much he provides as a pass rusher, I would love to see that. I really would. well I think for the Packers to have a good defensive line draft, the key word you want to hear, you know, not that they mean anything, but the word you want to hear the draft Knicks say is disruption. This is a disruptor. Like that's what they're looking for.
00:54:07
Speaker
And like I said, yeah they need more guys who can attack a half man and make something good happen. Like they have guys who can do it. You know, Brooks has done it at times. Kenny was figuring it out at the end of the year.
00:54:19
Speaker
Um, Um, um, Wyatt did it when he was healthy. wooden you know That's a guy that like maybe, but if you can improve on him, you do kind of thing and stuff. Same thing, obviously, for Mosby, Cox and stuff. Guys who you know played a lot of snaps but need to be more proven and more proficient. but that's That's the name of the game this year. is They've just got to get more disruptive guys. like They don't have to be...
00:54:42
Speaker
the biggest names, but they just need guys who are going to go, you know, kick butt and chew bubble gum kind of thing. But Joe, take it. Well, i was just going to say that touching on Jake's point of the third contract, the Packers hand out so few third contracts anyway, that that one's not even in my realm. As long as we can get them through a second contract,
00:55:06
Speaker
You know, i'm I'm good on it. So, yeah, and I agree with the disruption thing. And that goes back to my point on the speed. You know, we have enough guys that are strength and leverage guys that getting somebody that can be disruptive with speed on top of the strength would add so much to this defense and and would help them out so much that, you know,
00:55:32
Speaker
The Packers did well enough this past year with in the first year of Halfley's de defense that I think we're all surprised at what they finally ended up ranking at. you know Here we were bottom tier for for so many years.
00:55:46
Speaker
And, you know, okay, well, we're bringing in this new guy. We'll probably hit about mid-tier. No, we were near top 10 in a lot of cat gordy categories for the defense. So if you can add somebody that has speed and disruption,
00:56:02
Speaker
or disruption through speed. Who knows? This could be a top five defense easily.
00:56:09
Speaker
Yeah. He isn't, Alexander isn't quite the mover that Nolan is. Nolan's on a different level. I don't know how Nolan moves like he does. And, but I think him and, I think him and Harmon are kind of in that similar vein of like, they're twitchy enough athletes. and And you've seen, you've seen a little bit more from Harmon in the run defense category, in my opinion, but I, you, you see,
00:56:30
Speaker
different ways they can win as a rusher, right? It's not just, oh, I can only run through the chest of players. It's like, no, they can, as Mike was talking about, find the guys who can attack half man, guys who can cross the face of guys, like just being able to, to move with the quicks, move with the agility, not so much this, this clunky mover who can only kind of do one thing is having that fluidity, being able to,
00:56:53
Speaker
kind of, you know, get to a second move or get to something else, you know, change direction if you need to. Like guys like that are going to help this team win in January.
00:57:04
Speaker
And I do think Alexander fits that mold really, really well. I'm going to throw out a name here. And again, i don't know of dread of round wise, so you can let me know what you think on him.
00:57:20
Speaker
But the last guy that I really watched was TJ Sanders out of South Carolina. And i thought he had good speed and quickness. I didn't think he had so much the strength.
00:57:32
Speaker
So, I mean, he still had good enough strength. And I thought he had a solid pass rush move set for a defensive lineman. I think that could add in a lot of what the Packers need. Maybe not as a every down type guy, but at maybe in the, unless they can develop them more with some things, but it seemed like he was somebody that, the that kind of also fit the Packers mold when it came to what they've done in the past.
00:58:06
Speaker
Yeah, I'm just trying to find his thing at this. Okay. Yeah, so Senior Bowl when he was 6'3 and 3 quarters, 284. So, you know, a little bit more in that like wooden, you know, Colby wooden type of area. But as you said, if you want just kind of the like come in on the hockey line, so to speak, and come in on that second line, go get the quarterback. like I think he's going to be very good in that regard.
00:58:32
Speaker
No question about it. As you said, the speed, the explosiveness, all of that. like if you If you want to bring in a type of closer late in games who's got like, you know, hundred mile per hour fastball. Like he's probably going to be one of those guys for sure.
00:58:46
Speaker
Is he going to be able to, is Green Bay going to want him to be able to hold up, you know, on early downs playing at two 84. If he, if he indeed decides to play at that weight, probably not. But as you said, if they're just, if their goal is to add disruption and juice and and any type of that, like excellent functional athleticism and movement skills into that defensive line, like he certainly fits the bill there.
00:59:07
Speaker
And and that's what I didn't think he was that underweight, but I mean, I'm not even sure what his frame is. i don't know if he could add on at least seven. Because, you know, if he could get to that 290 mold, I think that would make the Packers even happier if he could keep his his abilities at 290.
00:59:30
Speaker
So, oh yeah yeah, that would be interesting. I got one more name, and then I'm going to talk about my guy. Really quick, as as you said, if he gets up to Nolan's weight, we're fine. We are totally fine because he can turn the corner. He's got the got all the hand technique you know as as a rusher. like if If he gets to Nolan's weight in the 290s, yeah, no no question. I think Green Bay will good.
00:59:50
Speaker
Okay, before Joe gets to his guys, okay, I apologize. I'm going to have to duck out, but just want to say, Jake, thank you so much for joining up. And like I said, there's two keys to the same. They need more disruptors from this D-line draft.
01:00:03
Speaker
And on top of it, you want to have the rush that the Cooper-Quay blitzes become... a sprinkle on surprise attack thing, not a, oh my God, we can't get pressure unless we send one of these two guys. Like that, that's the name of it. And, and that's against any old line. And like, you know, I know that the Philly line is different and all that kind of stuff, but that's, that's the thing you're eight. That's the, that's what you're working for. That's the, that's the goal.
01:00:31
Speaker
But before I head out, Jake, thanks so much, Joe. Thanks for not firing and replacing me. And we'll talk to you guys later. Take care. Yeah. of likeke how Are you looking for a co-host gig, Jake? I may be in the market for somebody here pretty soon.
01:00:48
Speaker
yeah yeah um that's But I won't keep you too much longer because we've already been at this for an hour. But there's there's a couple more names that I would like to mention. yeah One of them I don't think is going to be the speed guy, but he could be an easy maybe TJ Slayton replacement if that's the route they kind of want to go.
01:01:08
Speaker
and he's got a great first name to go with it. And if we could have two of these guys on the team, that that would be great. You got Hercules... Lucas Van Ness and this guy's name is so Thor Griffin.
01:01:21
Speaker
Yes. So good off the snap. he was He was more of a block eater. I'm not sure if he's more of a run stopper than a pass rusher, but he was a big boy.
01:01:32
Speaker
does have some quickness. I wish he would use his strength a little bit more. but he did get some good arm extension. He really did impress me with his size.
01:01:43
Speaker
Like I said, I don't know if he's more in that Slayton Gilbert Brown mold where he's not going to give you too much of a pass rush or if he's going to be that guy that you throw out there because yeah yeah it's third and one and you got Saquon Barkley beating down on you.
01:01:58
Speaker
What do you want to do? You want to throw your big boys out there and say, you're not getting past us. Yeah, that's that's the perfect late-round poll because the production at Harvard was so good.
01:02:10
Speaker
And then comes to Louisville. And yeah, from what I've seen, i think I've only seen it. I've only got a few games of his that I could find from Louisville. But yeah, he they it was interesting because he's not he doesn't have a lot of he didn't have a lot of snaps this past season. I think he had like somewhere in like the 330 which was surprising. You got guys like Harmon, you know, that he was a little bit shorter on it with like 500, but yeah, he was only in there a little bit. and They put him a lot at nose from what I saw. And it was kind of like, okay, that's fine. Like he's clearly can hang.
01:02:44
Speaker
If you want him to hold the point of attack, I think he's, he's totally good in that regard, but he definitely has like the club swim. He can get after you with the bull rush. Like if you let him, get some depth and then kind of attack with that speed of power a little bit more. I think he can do it.
01:02:58
Speaker
So yeah, I don't think he's necessarily pigeonholed into anything. I was hoping we were going to get honestly, get to talk about this guy during this one, because yeah, I agree. Like I'm, It must be because he's only got one season at Louisville and people haven't found Harvard tape, which is totally fair.
01:03:14
Speaker
That's not an easy thing to find previously. But, like, yeah, the production scores look really good. it's hard to really grade a guy off of a college like Harvard because they're not, like, a known bright football team.
01:03:26
Speaker
school And that's what I've seen with a lot of other guys. You know, you see him go to places like Harvard or what was the guy that I watched a few years ago?
01:03:37
Speaker
He played for Delaware. Well, the only known player that came out of Delaware for the longest time was Joe Flacco. So, you know, yeah i can't think of his name. Kerr, Zach Kerr.
01:03:50
Speaker
And I was really, i loved him, but, you know, nobody really knew anything about him because, you know, Delaware. So, yeah yeah, Harvard is one of those hard ones to really grade a guy off of.
01:04:01
Speaker
I'm glad I saw him with Louisville because I was like, man, that's a big boy moving around pretty good. Yeah, i they gave him some opportunities to play some like three techs, kind of like four eye. It was more shaded kind of over the tackle. But like he, yeah, when he, they allow him to kind of let him loose, turn the corner, he can do it. But it it did seem like that they were more concerned that nobody else could hold the point of attack as well as him. and they're like, we got to keep him at nose. Like we got to stop the run. There's got to be some way we could handle this. And it was like, he was getting tasked with that and doing a really good job. Like I think,
01:04:37
Speaker
Yeah, if there's a gem on day three, which it's hard because there's this D-line class is insane. and There's going to be guys that fall to day three that probably wouldn't in other ones just because of how deep it is. And like he is certainly somebody who... like It would make perfect sense. i know that I know the director of scouting just went to Jacksonville to be the GM, but that's like the guy that... Oh, the Rams picked him up on day three when they didn't have a lot of picks, and he's good.
01:05:00
Speaker
Like, oh, wow, nobody's surprised there. like yeah, he feels like that type of player where you're going to get... pretty decent production out of him in the league at at a discount that he probably shouldn't be.
01:05:12
Speaker
He should be sitting as like a fifth or sixth round pick, right? Like that, that shouldn't be the case, but yeah, he is, he was somebody who I think I'm Friday night. I'm watching. I'm like, if nobody else brings him up during this, I'm going to, and I'm glad you did because well yeah I'll give you a little behind the,
01:05:30
Speaker
the The curtain view on my brain is i find a site and the one that I've been and using lately is NFL Draft Buzz. And I'll go through the rankings.
01:05:41
Speaker
And I won't read anything on them because I don't want to go in there with predetermined things. I just go through to look for names. And I don't always go with the first round guys because like, man, everybody's going to be talking about this guy. Everybody's going to talking about this guy.
01:05:54
Speaker
I want to find names that not many people are talking about. So I'll start going to like page three, page four, page five, just looking for different names on, on.
01:06:06
Speaker
So, cause like I said, you know, I, with our show, we're kind of small enough now that, you know, we're not getting the big attention. So I want to let the bigger shows know that let them talk about the big name guys, you know, the, the obvious first rounders. I want to be the guy that,
01:06:24
Speaker
I find that late rounder that I can say, i was on that guy from day one, man. yeah Heck yes. Yes. And he could very well be that guy. could very well be that guy. Yeah, and he could. He really could. I mean, he's one of those that I always say that if he would have played at like Alabama or or you know a big school or Ohio State or something like that, then we could easily be talking about him as a day one, day two type guy.
01:06:53
Speaker
But because he started out smaller, you know it could be anything. So I got to talk about my guy before we go. i i know a lot of people are going to ask me about Deontay Craig, and I'm not really crazy about him.
01:07:08
Speaker
I see what they see in him, that he's got some speed to him and all that. But I think he was more a product of the Hawkeyes defense than he was the driving force of the Hawkeyes defense.
01:07:22
Speaker
And I think one of the main reasons of that is because of the guy that I'm going to talk about now. And that's Yaya, Yaya Black. This guy is also somebody that probably, depending on what the Packers want to do with the TJ Slayton,
01:07:41
Speaker
could be a Slayton replacement. I'm honestly surprised of what he weighed in at the, what was it? The senior bowl. because he doesn't look it. He's they said six, five and a quarter or something like that. And 337 pounds.
01:07:57
Speaker
And if you look at him, he doesn't look like he's 337 pounds. I don't know if that's the height deal with it. I, you know, if it's more muscle than body mass, but,
01:08:10
Speaker
You know, he's a big man. He's got great strength. I did say I wish he would use his strength and leverage a little bit more. It would seem like he would put that pop in and then he would let the O-linemen dictate what was going on.
01:08:24
Speaker
It's like, man, you're bigger than a lot of these linemen. Use your advantage to them, you know. Knock them out of the way. This is where I wish they would start teaching the Reggie White hump move to a lot of these guys oh yeah because I think he would be the type that could just really hook that arm and throw.
01:08:40
Speaker
And, you know, he's got the run stopping ability. I said he moved around pretty good for a, you know, for such a big guy, because I'm going into this seeing, okay, they list him as 337. He doesn't look good.
01:08:55
Speaker
So I'm going to put that 337 mind in, you know, frame in mind when I'm watching him. And for his size, he he moves pretty well. You know, I don't want to put this kind of comparison on him, but he moved like a Don Terry Poe type, you know, where he's this big guy with good movement that if he went to the combine and popped a, you know, four, eight, 40, I wouldn't be surprised at all.
01:09:23
Speaker
But, and this could be a lot of bias for me, but I've not been high on the Hawkeyes for the last few years because they've been so poor with shit, but they always produce a lot of defensive talent.
01:09:35
Speaker
You know, they've got two linebackers that are coming out this year and Higgins and Jackson that are getting a lot of talk. They got a lot of DBs that are getting a lot of talk. And really, Yaya is not getting any kind of talk. And I and i think that's going to – I think he could easily be a sleeper in this draft. He's not getting a lot of talk, but he's got a lot of movement and ability that could put him – Again, if he went to an Alabama or an Ohio State, that could put him in a higher ground than what he's got right now.
01:10:10
Speaker
Yeah, it's tough when when the Hawkeyes have like a down year and it's kind of like they're only going probably remember guys who were potentially good the year before. Sebastian Castro certainly being one of those guys is where it's like, okay, they've already got the like, he was good last year, could have entered, and now we've we're we're keeping an eye on him right again this year.
01:10:30
Speaker
Yeah, because when you look at Yaya Black, it looks like like, as you said, it must be the height because he doesn't look bigger than, say, an Alfred Collins. And somehow he, at least at this point, is listed like 17 pounds heavier, which is is hard to... It's kind of hard to fathom. So it has to be the height or something like that. But yeah, when he...
01:10:48
Speaker
When he plays low enough and gets the push, my goodness, just guys just – it looks like guys are lined up as like running backs where they're ending up sometimes. Like it is really, really impressive when he plays with that leverage, and he obviously stops to run extremely well.
01:11:03
Speaker
That's what's tough with these like bigger nose tackle types, right, who stop the run. where it's like they're so gassed from stopping the run that they're like, I got to stand up a little bit more to rush the passer. That happens with so many of them. Tyleek Williams does it.
01:11:16
Speaker
Grant does it at times at Michigan. like Just the bigger guys have – that's just – it happens, right? But when he's low, and he did it a few times at the Senior Bowl as well in the one-on-ones, when he's low, it is very tough for guys to hang on.
01:11:30
Speaker
Like it is – they're doing everything possible. And I think one of them, I forget who it was against, but it was one of the LSU guys. I don't know if it was Jones or if it was Frazier because Frazier moved around all the time.
01:11:42
Speaker
But like if the, if the coach doesn't get out of the way like that, he he's knocking him to the ground and the LSU lineman, like he is generating a ton of displacement when he stays low and with the immense amount of strength that he has. So like, yeah, if he,
01:12:00
Speaker
if he were to get down to, as you said, if he gets down to around three 30 and he's not the three 37 at the combine and the combine numbers look really good. Like if the Packers do want a slight and type, why not? Right. If they're going to look at all the other types, if they're looking at Grant, if they're looking at Tyler Williams, they're looking at Alfred Collins, right. they're Or maybe they're looking at Jamari Caldwell, although he's, I think closer to three 40 as well.
01:12:21
Speaker
Like if he gets down around that, that three 30 and it's like, okay, well we don't have to spend way up at a one tech. If we want one, like, perfect, perfect spot to do it. If again, him and guys like Griffith who are there on day three, that they even later on day three, that they might not be because of how freaking deep this class is. Like, I don't see why green, someone like green Bay, maybe someone else probably will. If green Bay doesn't take advantage of that.
01:12:48
Speaker
Absolutely.
Iowa's Influence on Athletes
01:12:50
Speaker
Well, and the thing that I got to give, uh, yeah, yeah credit with is Iowa has a hell of a strength and conditioning crew. that that's another reason why it's hard to believe he's 337 because they put them through such a, know, they basically put them through pro strength and conditioning that he could probably drop it and still be good, or he could stay the same size and still, you know, produce maybe not Packer wise, but you know, somebody is going to take him and say, we don't care that you're 337. You're
01:13:25
Speaker
lean muscle you know, we're, you know, we're going to throw you out there. So, I mean, yeah, it's going to be crazy with him to see what he can do.
01:13:36
Speaker
i think this is one of the first years I've been excited for Hawkeye draft picks in a while, just because we've had a lot of down years. But like I said, Higgins, Jackson, Castro, Wampa, Black, Craig, you know, these guys are going to have the ability to go out there and you know, really shine.
01:13:55
Speaker
But I don't, I haven't been able to ask this of very many other people. And then this will be my last thing. And and then we'll kind of close this out.
Players Packers Should Avoid
01:14:04
Speaker
What's one player that you're like, I don't want the Packers to touch him with a 10 foot pole.
01:14:10
Speaker
I like defensive line or like any defensive line. we'll We'll just stay with the position right now. Yeah. Listen, I, I get it with this guy. Like, I understand why people like him because he can move around and and kind of be a disruptor. but But, man, at 340, I just – I don't know where I'm playing Deion Walker from Kentucky. I have no clue.
01:14:36
Speaker
I don't – and I get it. He moves pretty well for that size, but there are just so many reps where he's so tall, and it's like the pad level. You're just not – it's so hard for you to win a lot when you're, when you play that high in And I get it. He's, he's insanely tall. So it's very, very difficult for him to do it. But it's just like, if you're, if you're green Bay and you want like these super dynamic, disruptive types,
01:15:06
Speaker
and and you want like a true positional home for them, like your Nolans, like your Harmons, like your Alexanders who look like the true three techs. Like, I'm just not sure Walker is that. And I think Walker could be the guy where teams, because again, if he's playing nose, like is Green Bay going to want him, you know, that early because,
01:15:26
Speaker
you know we're not in the 3-4 anymore, and you're not going to have him out there all the time. and And I think you're going to have to rotate him a lot because I think a lot of people have pointed out like later in games, he is he's gassed. He is.
01:15:36
Speaker
And so yeah i think all of that, to me, I'm kind of like, i just I'm not sure I'd play him. I know he's a younger player. I know there's a lot of untapped potential there, and I know that he can do stuff from the 5 and the 3 and the 1, but I'm just kind of like, I don't see the consistency yet to...
01:15:54
Speaker
to kind of like, okay, because Green Bay needs certain things. And I don't always, and I know we've talked about the versatility earlier, and it's really nice to have that, but versatility as kind of as kind of like your, your go-to rather than like, oh, we can move him because he's versatile, but he's great here already versus like, is he great anywhere else?
01:16:15
Speaker
just kind of average to above average everywhere, like not find a home at all, I would want to find a home for a guy. and And I feel like I can say that with most of the guys down the list where I go,
01:16:27
Speaker
Yeah, okay, he's playing one tech. Green Bay wants at the one tech, great. Like, that's that's the home for him, right? As we've we've talked about with a bunch of the guys at the top already, like, yes, three tech can do that. We already mentioned Sanders, right, as kind of like, okay, if he's coming in right at the 280, 290, and he's going to be that third down, second hockey line, provide that, you know, late game kind of surge, perfect. Like, I think we've kind of zeroed in on his home, even though he's a little bit of a smaller guy in terms of the weight. But it just feels like for me,
01:16:55
Speaker
trying to figure out where Walker plays is the difficult part for me. that's That's the one thing where i'm kind of like, I would just rather have a guy where i'm like, yeah, he can step in and do this. not He's stepping in and I'm not sure where to go necessarily.
01:17:10
Speaker
So my guy, and again, i don't know how anybody – I haven't thrown – I get to the point with our our chat group on Twitter that it's like, I don't want to throw this name out here because it seems like I'm always getting – my chops busted with it. So I'm going to throw this name out here as a guy that I i i would get it if the Packers took him, but me personally, I wouldn't.
01:17:34
Speaker
And that's Eric Gregory out of Arkansas. I said he had a bit of a nice shoulder dip and swim move and had some quickness, but I kind of questioned motor because it seemed like he would get to the point where, so okay, well, I'm not going anywhere, so I'm done.
01:17:52
Speaker
you know And it just I kind of question that because, you know, if and and this was the knock on Malik Heath a few years back when he was coming out that I said the same thing. you know If they can motivate him to b you know give 100% of the time, they're going to get a hell of a player.
01:18:14
Speaker
Well, it seems like with with Gregory, it's just he wasn't giving the 100%. you you know You see a guy like Dante Corleone that was you know destroying everything, whether he was getting to the point of attack or not.
01:18:32
Speaker
And then you move to Gregory and you're not seeing that with him that, oh, well, I'm giving i'm getting double teamed, so we're just going to stand here in the dancing pose and make it look good. And I saw too much of that in in some of the games that I watched on him that I was like, man, i just i don't want that to i don't want that type of attitude to come onto the Packers because we get enough drama with a lot of the players that we have now.
01:19:00
Speaker
I don't want that happening to where he's going to throw the fit like a Devondre Campbell and just say, I'm done. i don't want to play anymore. you know, type thing. And I don't know if that's that with him or if he was dealing with some kind of injuries or, you know, what the issues were there with him. But I just, I didn't see motivation in him. We'll we'll just put it that way.
01:19:25
Speaker
Yeah, it's always tough when you have guys, like if they're getting double teamed, you see it, you know, I think some of these top guys really work to split them. Like they're not satisfied with just staying there, right? Like they they want to, like your Nolans and and Graham, obviously, especially is just a guy who is will not be denied no matter what. Like, yeah, when you see guys who kind of just like stand up and get held up and don't really aren't getting to other moves, aren't trying something, that's, yeah, that's that's difficult to see for sure.
01:19:54
Speaker
And like I said, I saw that a lot with him, and it got to the point where I was just like, I don't want to watch anymore. So I yeah i watched like two or three games with him, and then I kept seeing it. I was like, no, I'm i'm through with it.
01:20:05
Speaker
And I could have missed you know a game where he just went all out.
Potential & Versatility of Joshua Farmer
01:20:08
Speaker
But it just – yeah, I don't like that. All right, Jake, we're going wrap it up here. can we do one more? Oh, you got one more? Yeah, i just because I would love to get this name out there. just and I feel like there's a decent chance.
01:20:20
Speaker
that we could hear his name called to be green and gold. that's Joshua farmer from Florida state. Uh, almost six, three, three, 14 is what he was at the, uh, at the senior bowl, 35 and a quarter inch arm length. That's nuts.
01:20:34
Speaker
just because i think when you watch the film on him, and there's there's a little bit of inconsistency, right? Game to game. However, and I do think the anchor against the run would maybe be the concern, but if you're putting him at three tech and you can just, again, work on either building up that strength in the lower half or just working a little further on technique.
01:20:54
Speaker
Awesome. But what he does against the run is he continually sheds blocks, and and is is working to make the plays he's he's good enough athletically they put him at five tech to turn the corner a few times at florida state like he has that level of what we were talking about the buzzword disruption ability whereas like as i mentioned with with some of the guys where i say the versatility it's more of like your home is three tech but i can see it at five tech if you want to get creative with with as we were talking about earlier with Gary or or Lucas Van Ness, where you're like, can we move guys around and make things, you know, a little more difficult on some third downs and get creative? Absolutely. I think you can. And farmer would fall into that category for me.
01:21:33
Speaker
So if if he works on the consistency and again, I don't, To my knowledge right now, I don't think it's going to take more than pick 87 to land farmer, which, you know, if you're looking on that banking that, you know build consistency, lot of upside in the middle rounds, I'm totally good with that.
01:21:50
Speaker
So if like he is, you know, some of the packs are comfortable with that 314, they feel like he moves well and he tests well, you know, this coming week. I think he's got to be on that list because I think he he shows enough.
01:22:03
Speaker
in in In terms of the flashes as a run defender where you can work on the technique and and the pass rush stuff is definitely, definitely there. Like I think we should, as as long as things go well in Indy, I feel like he's going to start creeping on the major Packers podcast of like, this is a guy you have to watch for.
01:22:22
Speaker
The only knock he's got against him is Florida State, and I still don't think they've ever gotten over the Jamal Reynolds pick from years ago. That could be. That could be. maybe Maybe Jared Verse and Fisk have got them going, okay, you know what? Maybe they are. Maybe they are back.
01:22:37
Speaker
Maybe they are back. That would be the thing, maybe, that that that draws them back in. And that could be. i did see that they on the places where I get my game taped, that there were a lot of games on him. it just Like I said before recording, I had a lot of stuff going on this week that I just i was tuning out.
01:22:55
Speaker
I started catching myself like drifting off and losing focus on things. So I didn't get a chance to look at him yet. Hopefully I'll get a chance before the draft actually steps up.
Packers Draft Strategy & Selections
01:23:06
Speaker
But one last question for you. Uh, I've been asking this in the last few that we've, that we've had on, take 23 on the clock.
01:23:19
Speaker
Packers are talking in the war room. Can't figure anything out. One of the scouts pops up, says, well, I know a guy, your phone rings and they're asking you, what do we do at 23?
01:23:32
Speaker
It can be anything. It can be any position. You don't even have to give me a name. You can just give me a position. Uh, or if you got a name in mind, you know what it is, you know, what do you got for us, Jake? Who, who are we taking with number 20?
01:23:47
Speaker
I think there are a lot of like sensible ways I could go with this for sure. I kind of mentioned at the top, like I wouldn't mind the Simmons selection at all. If they thought the plan was in place for him to start at tackle, I wouldn't mind Nolan or or Derek Harmon at all.
01:24:01
Speaker
Matthew golden, somebody that I would probably be standing up for, but I'm going to throw the curve ball here. not nothing This is nothing against Musgrave. It's nothing against Musgrave.
01:24:12
Speaker
okay there There might still be stuff there. But i I would love to see 12 personnel with Tucker Craft and Colston Loveland. I would love to see that.
01:24:23
Speaker
I think the route running chops are spectacular. I think there's enough speed. i He's not just like, I can run straight up the field. right he he He makes those cuts look really, really fluid. like I would...
01:24:35
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love to see green Bay go. Yeah. Okay. Maybe the receiver class is down and maybe we don't want to do that in the first round, right? Where we see these guys more as complimentary guys. We don't see the Brian Thomas jr. The lab McConkie, the, you know, Jefferson and Iuke were picks in the twenties, right? They don't see that player in the twenties and they go, no, no, we'll pivot.
01:24:53
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We'll get a guy who we think maybe the passing game can run through craft and Loveland over the middle of the field is what I would, I would say in the room. I think, I think he's right there with Warren personally.
01:25:05
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they're They're different styles for sure. But if you want like your passing game to go through a guy like potentially like a Trey McBride where they're they're giving him so many things over the middle of field. But I think he has more straight line speed. Like I would stand up and go, yeah, go, go get Loveland. I think if he's there, you know, i think the passing game, if you if you want to, you know, change it up. No, we're going to keep this trend going after Jordan Morgan on the offensive side of the ball.
01:25:30
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That's I think where I would go. So the Packers haven't taken a wide receiver in 23 years. I think it's been 25 years since the last time they've taken tight end. That's what Jake's going with with his first round pick.
01:25:44
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it's It's a good class. It's a good class, man. and so if if if If it's strictly like like legitimately, like it's just if you're looking at like, you know, if if Goody next week says anything about tight end being deep,
01:25:58
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Look out like there the the reactions from that. I expect we're going to hear him next week. Go. Yeah. Defensive lines very deep. We're we're looking at all. There's a lot of different types. You know, we're we're taking, you know, we're trying to obviously bolster the pass rush. I'm sure he's going to talk about that.
01:26:13
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But if he says anything about the tight end class or the running back class. look out because I'm sure that there will be plenty of uproar. I've already gone on one show and and, you know, flirted with the idea of Loveland at 23. It was not received well.
01:26:28
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But man, I mean, this is, this isn't like necessarily like, well, we got to find a player at this position. 23. It's kind of like, no, like who's the best player. Who do you like the most that that's sitting there? yeah Like, go get them. Like, and if, if Loveland happens to be that, which,
01:26:43
Speaker
based on my current rankings, I think it's very possible that he is that if he's available there, just go get it done. You know, I know the pass rush that's, you gotta, you gotta fix that. There's no question, but it's a deep class. And I think they are going to have a lot of different options to kind of tackle it. we We kind of talked about edge earlier in the show. Like if they, if they kind of bend things a little bit, they want to go get the speed guy. Like they're going to have a ton of options, but if you want, if you're, if you're really serious about like this whole number one wide receiver thing,
01:27:12
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i mean, why not work on building your pass game as as a middle of field attacking team with Loveland and Kraft? I think it could be exceptional for them. Well, in LeFleur's system always, you know, use their tight end. So it wouldn't be surprising if they, and that, and like you said, that's not a knock against Musgrave. He's got his, his, his position on the team too.
01:27:34
Speaker
It's just not what they're wanting his position to be right now. You know, Musgrave was never going to be that inline blocker. He was going to be the, you know, straight down the field. You know, we were hoping he would stay on his feet a little bit more, but you know,
01:27:50
Speaker
ah ah he Yeah. So, all right, Jake, where can those folks find you at?
Where to Find Jake's Analysis
01:27:56
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You can find me on Twitter at Jake NFL drafts.
01:28:00
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Going to be posting a lot more clips on prospects soon here as we kind of get kind of the film watching. you know, step of the process kind of rounded up a little bit. And then on YouTube, Jake Shavink NFL going to be doing a lot of stuff, other film rooms on the prospects leading up to the draft. As I said, once the kind of the film process is is wrapping up, we'll get to that. And,
01:28:23
Speaker
Definitely going to be doing a lot of live stuff for the combine, just based on reactions. Probably going looking at it as well from Packers perspective, though I do try to keep it a little more league-wide than I used to. But we're probably to looking at, yeah, this guy hit some athletic stuff, like you should be watching him. And I'm sure the combine is going to be a lot of fun for that. There's going to be a lot of quick reactions to that. That's always a fun time.
01:28:48
Speaker
The Underwear Olympics, settle you know that's always that time of year that everybody over – of you know, overdoes it with the numbers and stuff. But Jake, again, like Mike said earlier, you know, appreciate you stopping by, giving us your expertise on things.
01:29:03
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01:29:48
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