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OPE Season 3 Episode 46 From Free Agents to Draft Picks: Crafting the Perfect O-Line for the Green Bay Packers
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Aloha and welcome to another episode of OPE! This week we break down the Packers offensive line group, potential Free agent additions and what prospects fit the Packers mold
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Intro
Introduction to the Podcast
00:00:21
Speaker
Aloha and welcome back to another episode of the Ahana Packers Edition podcast. The podcast where we are over we're not overlooking we are previewing the O-line position in the 2025 draft class, but free agent and trade news is dropping all around us. So we're going springboard into that side of it. Before I do, though, Iowa Joe is back with me again today. Unfortunately, we have no guests. No one wanted this O-line class.
00:00:48
Speaker
ah ah hope that's the That's true.
Devonte Adams Signs with Rams
00:00:49
Speaker
he's to come but joe there's several names that were on the wish list of many packers fads who will not be coming to green bay given recent events i guess at the top of the list we'll start with there will be no reunion with devonte adams he is signing with l la It always seemed a little hopeful, but at the same time, you know, there was still decent connections with Tay, but in the end, he stuck to his guns that he wanted to go back to the West Coast.
00:01:16
Speaker
He signs with the Rams, and it's like a two-year, I think, 46 or something like that, million-dollar
DK Metcalf Trade and Analysis
00:01:22
Speaker
deal. 26 guaranteed. m Haven't seen any corroboration of whether Green Bay was involved or not. Honestly, this is all... Not 26-mil guarantee. Yeah.
00:01:34
Speaker
ah ah so And then we got some breaking right now. According to Schefter, I see on Reddit that they're they're quoting Schefter, DK's going to Seattle, or not Seattle, to Pittsburgh.
00:01:45
Speaker
The Steelers. So that one's off the table too. And on top of it, not just he's going to Pittsburgh, it's for there' a second round pick going back to Seattle. But on top of it, they're paying him $5,150.
00:01:59
Speaker
i' Not sure about the guaranteed money on that one. But While I was more on board with the idea of DK than, say, like, T. Higgins, still not really feeling paying a guy $150 million dollars to figure out that he is not a wide receiver one.
00:02:19
Speaker
You know, DK is like, he's a he'd be a really nice piece to this offense, but...
Top Threat vs. Wide Receiver One
00:02:23
Speaker
I think what people fail to recognize a lot is there's a difference between being a top threat and a wide receiver one.
00:02:30
Speaker
and dk is really good at what he does, but he is not that guy who's going to be number one on the call sheet, face the top corner on the other team, produce every week, and still force a shade or even a double team to an extent.
00:02:45
Speaker
He's still limited as a route runner. He kind of had the yips last year to an extent. And, you know,
00:02:54
Speaker
It's sort of interesting to see that he ended up in Pittsburgh, who, you know, they have a decent front office. Has quarterback. Yeah, but I believe that he listed that he wanted warm weather.
00:03:06
Speaker
Check.
Green Bay's Trade and Draft Speculations
00:03:08
Speaker
Stable quarterback situation. Check. And I forget what the third one was because the first two are making me laugh. 30 million a year. Yeah, so I guess he got one of them. but million a year.
00:03:21
Speaker
Yeah, so, you like I said, someone else can put that bill to figure out you know what he is or isn't. I do agree that Green Bay still... I honestly... for it. I really think that his hope was he was going to end up with the Rams. Yeah.
00:03:36
Speaker
And when the Rams decided that they weren't going to pay that kind of money out for DK and also give up a second round pick for him, I really think they just moved on to the next. And I honestly think that's the same thing the Packers did.
00:03:50
Speaker
I will fully believe the Packers were in on him because I know Gutekunst has said in the past that he's going to do his due diligence on everything. But I think when it came down to it that they were going to have to give up a second round pick and a five-year $150 million dollars contract, they said, no way, we're not we're not paying that.
00:04:09
Speaker
And I agree with you on DK. I think he's still living off a lot of his is pre-draft hype, even though he's been in the league for, what, four years and now. I think a lot of people are living up to his pre-draft hype where it was, oh my God, he's an athletic freak. There's like,
00:04:25
Speaker
point 0.1% body fat on him and you know all this other stuff and for as much as that is true I don't think he's ever lived up to what people expected him to be but he's his draft stock is still fresh in mind for a lot of people and of course he's got the big name to him oh my god it's DK Metcalf it's DK Metcalf we got to get him we got to get him I think the Packers are going to make a make a deal at some point with some kind of wide receiver.
00:04:55
Speaker
And then of course they're going to draft one. My hope is still that they're going to take one in the first round. I think this would be the here to frigging do it. Cause as you said earlier, this OT class is not really, this offensive line period is not really a, a solid one. I mean, there's some pieces in there, but there are a lot of work need to be done with them.
00:05:19
Speaker
And the only two or the only real position that I've seen so far that is top notch. And, and I know a lot of people are going to throw corner out there and corner is not bad, but I think even wide receiver out does what corner does. And there's going to be a lot of guys out there that it just didn't this year makes so much sense.
00:05:41
Speaker
No, totally agree.
Edge Player Extensions and Green Bay's Strategies
00:05:43
Speaker
You know, the the name out there, if you're looking for, like, a wide receiver one who weirdly hasn't gotten a lot of news in the circles is Amari Cooper is still out there. He's still only 30, which is a little odd because it feels like he's been around for forever at this point. Yeah.
00:06:03
Speaker
There's still some speed guys out there in free agency, so you can go that route as well because the draft doesn't really have those types. They're working the the trade market. You never know what kind of trade that Goody's going to be able to pull off and get somebody in here, you know? yep I hate to say it that, you know, they can also dangle Malik Willis out there as a trade piece. And I think some of these QB hungry teams would be all right. Yeah, sure.
00:06:28
Speaker
You know, we'll give this guy shot. You'd throw us, you know, Malik Willis and lower draft pick for some name. I think they said that even Rashad Bateman was possible as a as a trade piece from the Ravens. So that would be somebody that they could look into.
00:06:47
Speaker
Yeah. So. so
00:06:49
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's it's it's whatever. People are going to be mad. People are going to be okay with it. And wherever you fall into that, we love you guys all anyway.
Fantasy Trade Scenarios vs. Reality
00:06:59
Speaker
But on top of that, on the other side of the ball in free agency, two trades that will definitely not be happening are the top...
00:07:09
Speaker
basically the top two edge guys in the NFL, uh, between miles Garrett and, uh, Max Crosby, both signing Buku bucks, extensions with their current teams.
00:07:20
Speaker
think Garrett's deal basically averages 40 million a season. Crosby's is somewhere in like the 36 or 37 per year. per year Those guys are staying put.
00:07:32
Speaker
There's still a lot of guys on the free agent market that Green Bay can go after, but... And Hedrickson is still out there as yeah possible trade teams.
00:07:41
Speaker
And that one, I'm pretty sure that bridge is pretty well burnt from both ends, so that move will probably happen sooner than later in terms of them moving on because Cleveland or Cincy doesn't want to lose him for nothing, but But the Crosby and Garrett ones, they were fun pipe dreams, but they weren't ever really more than that because what you were going to have to send back to get them out of those situations –
00:08:09
Speaker
I know a lot of people say it should be doable for Green Bay, but it's it's just really funny seeing the people who say those things are the same ones that are like, this roster lacks so much talent, you know, elite talent, blah, blah, blah. and And, you know, they they need help at six different positions. And, oh, but at the same time, trading, you know, sending out four picks for one guy, that's the way to do it kind of thing. It's like...
00:08:34
Speaker
And I'm not going to argue that a fifth, a sixth, a first and a second round pick are going to be better players than Myles Garrett. But the mental gymnastics some of some people do to like justify points on either side of where this team are, it it like I said, itp it makes me laugh. I don't even reply to most of them anymore because I'm like, you're so set in your way, in your fantasy way that...
00:09:00
Speaker
No amount of good-hearted discussion is going to change that. And so you just stay wherever you are. But I do find it funny when you, like, if you really pay attention to who says certain things, a lot of the time it's the same people that are making wild arguments on either end of the spectrum. And it's like, okay, like, which side of the fence are you sitting on today?
00:09:24
Speaker
And the thing is, is there's too many people out there playing fantasy football and Madden and all that stuff that think it's just so simple. Hey, we'll just throw him this offer here. It worked over there, so it should work here, too.
00:09:36
Speaker
Well, that's not how real life works. You know, a GM with the great player is not just going to give them up for pennies. You know, they're going to try getting the – look at what the Packers got for both Devontae and Aaron Rodgers. It's not like they gave him up for nothing.
00:09:52
Speaker
And supposedly those were the only teams those guys were going to go to.
Green Bay's Draft Focus on O-line
00:09:57
Speaker
Yeah. So, you know, they they got good pieces back for it. So, yeah, I never believed the Miles Garrett one just because I thought i was going to be – There was too much there for it, and especially with him being on the other side of 30.
00:10:13
Speaker
The Max Crosby one was interesting just because it seemed like of the Raiders were in a spot where maybe they were going to blow up their team. But now they they traded for 35-year-old Geno Smith, and they re-signed Crosby and all that.
00:10:30
Speaker
I honestly thought maybe... DK was going to end up down there too because of the whole warm weather and quarterback and stuff like that. But, you know, whatever. i just Like I said, Goody is going to do what he can do.
00:10:46
Speaker
But here's the thing. Gutekunst is also one of those guys that likes to collect draft picks. And he has said multiple times he would love to have more draft picks. He always wants more draft picks.
00:10:58
Speaker
The Packers are light on draft picks this year compared in past years. So the likelihood of them packaging multiple picks from this year is almost nil.
00:11:12
Speaker
So,
00:11:14
Speaker
yeah, I just, I don't see it happening. I don't see, i mean, i can see them doing like a Malik trade where they they trade a seventh rounder for a guy that maybe isn't doing well on his current team or maybe trading a player for player type deal.
00:11:36
Speaker
But I just, I don't fully expect them to go into, i know Goody said at his press conference that he wasn't going to let the, where the draft is taking place, stop him from making moves, but I just cannot see him trading a first round pick without having an extra first round pick when the draft is in Green Bay with so many Packer fans around.
Current State and Future of Packers' O-line
00:12:02
Speaker
And on that note, let's focus in on the topic of this episode, which is O-line. We have to.
00:12:11
Speaker
So as we stick to the script that we've been running with the last few weeks. So if you look at it, the main outgoing guy is Josh Myers. And I do believe at this point he is probably gone in free agency. i think the only reason he'd be back is if we go through, the you know, we're hitting the end of March.
00:12:31
Speaker
He's getting no real calls. He kind of comes back to Green Bay and is like, hey, like, I've got no interest. Like, you know, is there still a spot for me if I come back kind of thing? and I don't know what the discussions would be in the front office.
00:12:46
Speaker
I'm of the mindset, I hope they're ready to move on. i think they've seen the best that they're going to see from Myers at this point. I think both sides just need a fresh start at the position. Well, I think Myers just needs a fresh start on his own.
00:12:58
Speaker
And I think the Packers need to just go in another direction at this point. But... you know depending and that's what But that's what makes their situation on the O-line so funky is because Myers going out, hypothetically, you're set at left tackle, left guard, right guard, right tackle going into the season.
00:13:16
Speaker
But... With Myers going out, the center position being potentially vacant or being vacant in that scenario, you know there's a multitude of options that they have in how to replace Myers' starting spot.
00:13:31
Speaker
you know If he's ready, Jacob Bunk seems like a guy that the team is you know would like to go. You can move Elton over. Tom moving over is still not out of the option. And even Ryan isn't out of the discussion as either as the center.
00:13:46
Speaker
i kind of honestly would like to see Morgan play center if, you know, he's... If they've trained him up or anything. But... I think they're going to move Elton over because they want Morgan to start.
00:14:00
Speaker
But... I don't expect to see too much in free agency either. Again, it's not a great class. And if anything, i expect them to sign someone like how they brought in Dillard, where it's a guy who can you know battle to be your swing tackle and you know start a couple games if you have to, if you need him to. But other than that, I don't see them at maybe some guard depth.
00:14:28
Speaker
But otherwise, i don't see too much happening on that front in free agency. You know, there's a couple of guys that I wouldn't mind bringing in. I just had their names.
00:14:43
Speaker
Shit. James Daniels. Why couldn't I think of it? Bring an Iowa guy. He played more... In college, he played center, and I think that's what he was originally drafted as was center, but they they kind of shifted him to guard because I think at the time that they drafted him, they had an established center, so I think they wanted to play him at guard more.
00:15:05
Speaker
Still only 27 going on 28, so there's a little bit left there. oh There was one other one that i kind of thought of because I think right now,
00:15:20
Speaker
It's all about depth. Like you said, we can tell what the starting line is going to be pretty well, but but it's the depth pieces that we're we're kind of missing out on.
00:15:32
Speaker
So maybe a guy like Dylan Raddins that's coming out of Tennessee.
00:15:39
Speaker
There was one other guy that I was looking at with Daniels. Patrick McCurry. from Baltimore. that one seems to be a pretty big name that I've heard thrown around a lot in the inner circles that could play guard.
00:15:55
Speaker
So there are guys, it's just, you know, we can sit here and say, i you know, the the whole line is pretty well set, but what do the Packers think about it?
00:16:09
Speaker
Do they think they need to bring in a... My whole thing is, is I think Morgan will go to left guard. More than likely, oh oh Elton will go to center because that's how we saw when Myers was getting hurt what happened.
00:16:25
Speaker
So I see that happening more than not. So at that point, your your line is pretty well set.
O-line Free Agent and Draft Prospects
00:16:35
Speaker
Now you've got to worry about your depth, and that's what is not looking great right now.
00:16:41
Speaker
So they still got Dillard listed, but I think he's a free agent right now. so it'd be Because you know the technical first the season hasn't started yet. So I believe he'll be a free agent. So they've still got Glover and Telford.
00:16:59
Speaker
Glover, I think, has a lot more potential. Even though he looked rough, you've got to remember he came out of Georgia State and he was a seventh-round pick. Not all of them can be a Rasheed Walker and step in and play decent right off the bat.
00:17:13
Speaker
and Rasheed didn't play as a rookie either, so... Right. Yeah. And then for... Let's see. Guard, Donovan Jennings, who they were really high on because they gave a pretty high signing bonus for...
00:17:29
Speaker
Marquise Hayes. I don't really know much about him. you He's a second year man out of Oklahoma, but, and then Monk, and then they brought in Trey Hill as a, uh, futures contract.
00:17:43
Speaker
Monk is interesting. He looks like he could play. and Well, they have them listed as both the center of guard, but I think he dealt with, dealt with injuries a lot last year. So that's why we'd really didn't see him much. And, uh,
00:17:56
Speaker
So there are pieces there, but how reliable are those pieces? I really don't think they're going to draft anybody high. I think it's going to be some late round guys when it comes to the O-line.
00:18:09
Speaker
So free agency, maybe do, like you said, a Dillard pick, which could be that James Daniels or Raddins ratdens or you know something like that, because they're going to need a swing tackle. And Dillard definitely was not the swing tackle that they needed.
00:18:25
Speaker
I'm not sure what the the love they had for him was, but i guess that's why they get paid the millions of dollars and we get paid nothing.
00:18:36
Speaker
I think with Dillard, there was just no one else left. And it's a guy that I know he hadn't played well at tackle, but he at least had played tackle in the NFL. right I think that was their, I don't want to say their justification, but they're like, he might not be really good at it, but at least he's not going to be shell-shocked and deer in the headlights if we have to throw him out at tackle in a game.
00:18:56
Speaker
which is kind of what happened to Glover and Telford at times when they had to come in and play guard in you know regular season spots or you know in the playoffs after like Jenkins got hurt and stuff like that. so One name I will throw out there, this is like...
00:19:12
Speaker
I have no idea what the situation is or where the player and the team are. But one name that I would keep an eye on is Jedrick Wills, the former like top 10 pick of the Browns.
00:19:25
Speaker
He's had a lot of injuries the last two. I think he's been injured two of the last two years or two of the last three or maybe the last three years. But super talented kid. At times has looked really good when he's been on the field, but just hasn't been able to stay on the field.
00:19:40
Speaker
And just like the Eagles signed Makai Becton off the street, you know, after the Jets basically gave up on him. Wells would be one that, you know, if he made it to the open market, i like I said, I have no idea where the Browns are with him. Or if he, you know, like I said, with Myers, if it's like for him, he's like, it's time for me to find a a fresh start and, you know, like just, you know, get clean air and, you know, just, you know, a fresh start somewhere else.
00:20:09
Speaker
Maybe it could be that kind of position for a guy like Wells too. But yeah, I'm with you. You know, we, we've talked about it on other episodes when we're talking about why the Packers would go with a certain position here, there, and with regards to drafting, drafting O-line early. And most of it is because, know,
00:20:29
Speaker
Some split of they've got a lot of guys they like on the roster. and like you've pointed out... There aren't many names that will probably be there at 23 that you're like, that's a guy we've got to have. And I know Shavinck, you and I talked about it when we had him on for D-line where it's like, this is not the year to be taking a Jordan Morgan type player on O-line in the first round where you're like, we don't know where this guy's going end up, but he's really talented and we're going to find it out in two years kind of thing.
00:21:02
Speaker
My thinking is if they take an O-line in the first round, that guy's got to start right away. and to me, that means that that's a left tackle or a center. And I don't see those guys at either position that, you know, at center, it's like, is that guy going to be that, you know, is that guy that good of a prospect that it's, you know, the, the deadly, is he worth a first round pick?
00:21:25
Speaker
And then with the left tackle, there's a couple of guys that I'm sure we'll talk about in a sec, but you kind of mentioned how they all have these warts on their game that it's like, okay, like, and I, I was on derailed with a Shavinck and Moffy last week.
00:21:42
Speaker
And, you know, the, the thing, the, the analogy we kept coming was like, I shouldn't have to squint that hard when I, when I, when, when Green Bay makes a pick to be like, that's an NFL player.
00:21:54
Speaker
As much as I wasn't a fan of the Morgan pick last year, at least, the thing I was squinting about was i don't think he's an NFL tackle, but I'm like, okay, he's an NFL starting lineman.
00:22:06
Speaker
I just don't know where. And that was the consternation over the pick when, you know, we were kind like, that was the whole thing with me. You know, people would keep asking me, what do you think of the pick? It's like, where does he play?
00:22:17
Speaker
Right. And you, and that was something that Shavink and I were talking about on derailed a bunch is like, you I don't want to go two years in a row where we're like, they have to like shuffle the deck chairs to figure out where these two guys futures is at kind of like, you don't want to spend two first round picks in a row on that kind of lineman where it's like, oh, we don't know where they're going end up, but they're good players. And then as like with the Packers luck, it's going to be, oh, shoot, they play the same position.
00:22:46
Speaker
Yeah. And that would be so right up the Packers Creek. But, you know. Well, and that's that's like when people give have a fit about the Lucas Van Ness pick or the Sean Gary pick.
00:22:58
Speaker
At least we knew what they were going to play them at. And you're going to play multiple ad rushers at a time. like that Yeah, you know, theyre they freak athletes and they can fit all over the place. But we knew exactly where they were going to play at.
00:23:12
Speaker
Jordan Morgan, all we knew was he was a freak athlete that we had no idea where he was going to go. At that point, we had Rasheed Walker playing out of his mind on left tackle, and he could have collapsed at any time.
00:23:23
Speaker
There's no doubt about it. We didn't fully know what Rasheed was at that time. You had Elton, who was not going to be moved for nothing unless it was because there was an injury. You had Myers, who, yeah, but at the time, Jordan Morgan...
00:23:37
Speaker
was he going to play center he'd never played the interior line in his whole life so that was going to be an interesting concept then you had uh uh oh shit, I'm blanking on the right guard. Ryan. Ryan, who who was going to be the question mark. So, okay, well, maybe he slots in there.
00:23:57
Speaker
But then Sean Ryan started playing out of his mind. And we had Zach Tom at right tackle, who nobody was going to replace him unless there was an injury. So the whole thing use is, I agree with you.
00:24:09
Speaker
There's no way that they can justify taking another offensive line and in the first round that has no place to play. Whereas if they take like an edge rusher, we know where he's going to play and why they're taking him.
Challenges and Analysis of O-line Prospects
00:24:25
Speaker
Whereas the offensive line is you're going to pay four years for a backup? You're going to pay first-round money for four years of a backup? That that doesn't really sound...
00:24:38
Speaker
smart to me. I'm going to think that they got a little too much into like the old fashions and shit like that. that you know They were seeing things with beer goggles and they meant to take number four off their big board and they said three or some shit like that. you know but I suppose, should we start talking about some of the ones that we've watched?
00:25:00
Speaker
Yeah. So who's... Okay, do you even want to bother talking about a membo who shouldn't be there 23? Or want to focus more on guys? The whole thing that I've been doing is I haven't been looking at anybody that is probably not going to be there.
00:25:16
Speaker
Okay, sounds good. The one guy that I looked at that's been... talked about as possibly a first rounder. Jake had mentioned his name and I think there was somebody else that mentioned his name was the kid from Ohio state that Josh Simmons, you know, and maybe he ends up at 23
00:25:35
Speaker
But even if he does... And the wart there is... i don't know when he's going to play this year because he... So they're saying right now that you know there was sort of like a... Not a disconnect, but there was just a lack of information about what his injury was.
00:25:49
Speaker
And there was sort of a debate whether it was like his... I believe his patellar tendon, his quad pateler quad or patellar tendon, or if it was an ACL. And then the last I saw, it was I think it was his patellar tendon, which...
00:26:04
Speaker
I've seen differing opinions. Yeah. I've seen differing opinions of like how likely it is to you know, how, how good he'll come back from that. The latest I've seen is it's more promising, but that's his wart. Otherwise, I don't know if he'd be there at 23, if he was fully healthy, because it's not fully healthy. Do you take the risk of taking him at 20? Right.
00:26:29
Speaker
And so that's one of those medicals we'll need to check out. But, Simmons is one of those guys where this, the recent transfer system in college football helped him so much because he was like buried on San Diego state's roster.
00:26:44
Speaker
And somehow Ohio state was like, we want that guy to come play for us two years ago. And, he honestly made himself millions of dollars because he came through, proved to be a really good past protector. uh,
00:27:00
Speaker
He's not Bach, but he's in that sort of mode where right now he's not the most physical run blocker, but he has good... He has solid technique, in solid hand technique as a pass blocker, moves really agilely for you know a guy his size.
00:27:14
Speaker
Going to have to figure out how well that matches up after you know his operation. and rehab, but, he is in my short bin of guys that I'm like, okay, I can see it.
00:27:26
Speaker
I would tweak my, I would twitch a little bit. Cause I'm like, I'm hoping that means the knees. Okay. But also it's like, like, yeah you know, I'm, it's not the same, but I'll always have Justin Harrell syndrome where it's like, we took a guy who got, who was hurt his last year and he was always hurt and in the NFL. And the,
00:27:48
Speaker
You know, I would be a more comfortable if it was just an ACL. But if they're saying it's a patellar, you know, that's your kneecap. That's the muscle that goes your kneecap. Yeah. And, you know, it it because when I had my ACL surgery, that's the piece that they took to create my ACL.
00:28:08
Speaker
Oh, no! So... yeah You know, when they explained it to when the surgeon explained it to me, there's three surgeries that they can do for an ACL. And this was at the time. You got to remember, this was 2003, 2004.
00:28:21
Speaker
They could have changed it, but there was three possible ways for an ACL. One is the one that they did on me, which is the patellar. They just slice a piece of the patellar off, string it back, and that's your ACL.
00:28:32
Speaker
The second one is part of your hamstring. And the last one is a cadaver. And you can only do the cadaver so often before you're you're screwed. so And then obviously the other two you can only do so often or you're screwed.
00:28:47
Speaker
So the patellar is what keeps your kneecap in place. So if you've screwed that up, you're going to have issues for a while. And it just... So I would be more comfortable if they would just come out and say, it's an ACL.
00:29:06
Speaker
Then I'd be okay. And i was just looking it up. They basically confirmed it was a torn patellar tendon. Yeah, so I think it was Pellicero something. he He was putting out that, like, yeah, basically the combine confirmed it was a patellar. So it was the Oregon game, which...
00:29:23
Speaker
Let's see. When was that game? I think it was... Okay, so that was October. So... I don't know what the track record for patellar tendon recovery is, but, you know, if it's the same time, you know, it was October 12th of last year that game happened.
00:29:40
Speaker
So if you go with just like a very loose one year, that puts him back around like week six. So you keep him on pop kind of thing. But then at that point, it's like, okay, he hasn't done any of the training camp. You know, he he hasn't participated in preseason.
00:29:55
Speaker
You know, his conditioning is just like, whatever the rehab is kind of thing. So, you know, he's not in football hitting shape and stuff. So, and that's if there's no right steps back, you know, there's no setbacks on it.
00:30:08
Speaker
but And so like I said, all of these guys have warts. Simmons wart is when will he be able to play for you? And like I said, If Green Bay has a plan, whether it's Monk at center, whether it's moving Brian or Elton over to center, i don't think it's Tom because they don't have another tackle on the roster.
00:30:31
Speaker
and like and Unless they believe in Morgan at the right as right tackle. And I need to see him play. yeah Right. The only hope that I have for it is they view him like a Brian Bulaga.
00:30:42
Speaker
Bulaga was the left tackle that, quote-unquote, had the short arms. And, you know, he slotted in at right. They were going to try him at guard and it didn't work out. So they slotted him as tackle and it went, yeah obviously we know how that went for him.
00:30:56
Speaker
So that's the only thing that I can hope for is that if they're going to move Tom to center, then they're damn sure that Morgan's going to be able to hold up as a right tackle.
00:31:09
Speaker
Yeah. So,
00:31:12
Speaker
Yeah. But so the injury is the big concern, but on the flip side of it, like I said, the football player side of it, I don't have that many concerns. If he's going to be healthy, this is a guy that you can expect a high level of play, you know, by the time he really gets his feet wet in the NFL. So there's that side of it.
00:31:34
Speaker
Another guy that I've seen is Kelvin Banks. And, My problem with him... so So I'll loop these two together. Two guys that I've seen as potential loose picks are Kelvin Banks Jr., the tackle from Texas, and Josh Connerly Jr. from Oregon.
00:31:54
Speaker
And the reason I lump these two together is both guys have technique flaws, but... To me, Connerly is the one that even though he's, you know, consensus not ranked as highly as Banks is, he's the one I would bank on and it feels more like a Packers pick than Banks is because Banks' issue is his footwork and he has sloppy footwork and relies on like his size and his strength to recover from it.
00:32:24
Speaker
Whereas Connerly hits his hand placement, that's the problem.
Evaluating Current Draft Class Challenges
00:32:29
Speaker
And I know some people will like say, like oh, like but you know that sounds like a bigger deal. That was Rasheed Walker's profile coming out of college. is like He's this really good athlete, but he needed a lot of work with his hand placement, his his hand punch targeting and all that kind of stuff.
00:32:46
Speaker
Connor Lee is... That's another thing that I've seen a lot of these college guys do, and I call it the bear hug. They don't shoot upwards into the guy's chest. They want to swing their arms out and grab the shoulders.
00:32:57
Speaker
And I think, and I do wonder how much of it is that Buck and Bulaga were really good at it at the NFL level. But the thing that it was different for them is they were like one hand stabbing and then the second arm would come after. It's not, like you said, it's not like a, you know, it's not like a garbage truck clamp where they come at the same, the arms come at the same time kind of thing.
00:33:18
Speaker
And so, yeah. But in my opinion, and I'll get yours right after this, I would bank and i would i would bet on Connerly over Banks because at least you see the movement skills with his footwork that you can, you know, you have Walker for one more year.
00:33:38
Speaker
If Connerly can't get it within training camp, you have time to work it up, just like you did with Walker, who was only a yee seventh-round pick. But, the the talent When you see him, 20% of the time his technique is on, he just stones people and takes them out of plays. And it's like, if I can get that 85%, 90%, 95% of the time, I've got an all-pro player at left tackle.
00:34:05
Speaker
Whereas with Banks, and you saw this against Ohio State in the semifinal game where the the semi-final game where the The two top Ohio State edge rushers, they're not good pass rushers, but what they are is like high effort, high motor guys.
00:34:23
Speaker
And when you're a guy like Banks who doesn't have good footwork, doesn't have good technique on the top of that... Those kind of high-motor, high-effort guys can take advantage of your flaws because as much as you're like – and he's not quitting on it, but as much as you're trying to make up for it, they're by you already kind of thing. And the NFL, it only gets faster and more you know and more more immediate in terms of how quickly you can lose a battle at the line of scrimmage. So – if And like I said, these are low percentage to happen for Green Bay because i just don't think any of these players are... Guys, they're comfortable taking unless the board just falls in the weirdest way. Kobe doesn't like your opinion.
00:35:10
Speaker
that's That's an often repeated phrase. But... all Of those two guys, I would take Connerly first, but did you get to watch a lot of those two guys? Honestly, i struggled watching any kind of the offensive line guys just because it's been the same struggle that I've had with a lot of other positions. Trying to find the actual tape for them was kind of hard.
00:35:33
Speaker
And the one thing that I absolutely hate doing is trying to watch tape from like two years ago. Because that's not the same player that you get.
00:35:45
Speaker
you know What they were in 2023 is not what they are in 2024. Are they similar? Yeah, but it's not the same thing. So they're either super good in 2023 and suck in 2024, or they're going to be super bad in 2023 and they've grown in 2024.
00:36:01
Speaker
So I really struggled trying to find tape for a lot of these guys because it was like, oh, yeah, I want to watch this guy. And then I'd go look in my sources and they had 2022 tape. I don't fucking want to watch them when they're, you know, a sophomore and don't know what they're doing.
00:36:16
Speaker
You know, I want to watch them, you know, now when they know they're putting things together. So I really struggle with that. Now, i laugh at your, how you had your two ranked with Banks and Connerly, because the site that I use, this NFL draft buzz, has Banks obviously at number one, but they have Connerly down at number seven.
00:36:38
Speaker
And they have like five other guys in
00:36:43
Speaker
ahead of Connerly. And one of them that they have ahead of them, I did watch some on. And that's Gray Zabel from NDSU.
00:36:54
Speaker
And I will be honest, in my notes, I said that you can see that he's athletic. but he's very raw because there were times where it's like, well, what the hell are you doing there, man?
00:37:08
Speaker
And, and, and that's like I said, made the comment earlier. You're seeing a lot of these kids do that damn bear hug where they want to swing their arms out and clamp onto the shoulders instead of shooting up into the guy's chest and, and going from there.
00:37:24
Speaker
So I watched Zabel. I, I said he had good speed and good lateral movement. And I said he looked more athletic and he struggled against speed rushers.
00:37:36
Speaker
So I don't know if that's maybe footwork he needs to work on a little bit or what, but it just seemed like if a guy put a speed move on him, he and kind of like you said, would give up on him. You know, it's like, well, he's already beat everything that I have. So, you know, ole and go from there.
00:37:54
Speaker
oh Then I wish we had Joey on this week because their number four prospect is, Armand Mimbu out of Missouri, which I think if the Packers would draft him, it would be for guard position because his size is definitely outside their thresholds.
00:38:13
Speaker
So I did watch Texas's line, not for but banks But there's another guy from the Texas line that I was watching. So I did see some of Banks.
00:38:28
Speaker
And Texas had a heck of a line this year. I mean, you could see that when they were playing as a cohesive unit, you know, they they were very good. But when one guy struggled, it just seemed like it threw out the balance of everything.
00:38:42
Speaker
So the guy I watched from Texas, and I have to laugh, I was starting to enjoy watching this guy from Texas. And then when I went to look him up to see if he went through the combine just to see what his stats in that or his testing numbers were, they had him as like a oh maybe backup, and they had him ranked real low. I was like, what the hell are you talking about?
00:39:06
Speaker
They called him unathletic and all that stuff. And it's Hayden Connor, the OG out of Texas. And I was like, man, that's like old school guard. he he was he He was a stocky guy. He moved around real well. I did say he was probably a pure guard.
00:39:26
Speaker
I don't think there's going to be much to him where he's going to be able to move out to tackle. So I don't know if that would keep the Packers away from him because he's not the versatile guy that could play, you know, multiple positions. I think he's going to be guard and that's always going to be He had good hand use usage.
00:39:47
Speaker
Strength looked little it looked good. The only thing that I said about him was I wish he stayed in a block a little bit longer. It seemed like he would like block for a second, throw off, and then look for somebody else.
00:39:59
Speaker
Well, you can't do that when your quarterback's still got the ball in his hands. You've got to stay on that block. And I do think that kind of goes to your, like, it's hard to watch – O-line film these days because so many college teams run spread or like...
00:40:15
Speaker
run and shoot concepts where the ball is supposed to come out in under like a couple seconds, kind of like it's one read and yeah you know everything is pre-snap determined by alignment, motion, all that kind of stuff. So, you know, that's why they kind of joke that like quarterbacks can't make reads anymore because everyone, you know, everyone's calling the plays for them and then everything is set up, you know, like before the snap. So there's no like progressions or anything like that.
00:40:42
Speaker
And it's kind of same for O-line because, know, And just thank God they don't all cut block all the time anymore. Because I remember there was a point where like all the top like prospects would do is like, it's like, well, shit, like all he does is cut blocked in the 80% of the time. And, you know, he yeah there's one prospect on here that I said, I wish he would stay on his feet more.
00:41:03
Speaker
But, yeah, it, like I said, if it sounds like we have issues with this O-line class, We kind of do in the sense that we either. It's not pure prospects.
00:41:17
Speaker
It's like I've been saying weekend and week out. There's not that one guy that just, wow, that guy is going to be a star. You know, like last year, there was guys like the kid from BYU that ended up with the Bears.
00:41:31
Speaker
You know, that was a... I can't think... like I can think his name, but I can't pronounce it. With the Chiefs. He ended up with the Chiefs. Yeah. Was it the Chiefs that... He was the Yoke kid. The Yoke kid.
00:41:43
Speaker
Amagaji. Okay, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he ended up with the Bears. Yeah. So, you know, there were... Or the guy that ended up with the Chiefs from BYU. You know, those were guys that... I can see it in him. You know, he's really popping on this film.
00:41:56
Speaker
There wasn't that with a lot of these guys that I did watch. It just, okay, well, they're doing their job, you know, but they're also doing their job against guys that aren't, you know, professional grade
00:42:13
Speaker
talent. And I shouldn't say that because, you know, even to play in college football, you're still a small percentage of, kids that ever play football Now, the one thing that I have to do say, say about Hayden Connor was the two games that I watched. The one was against Michigan.
00:42:29
Speaker
And, you know, as well as anybody, the Michigan had a hell of a defensive line. And that was one of his best games. And so it's just like, okay, so when I see what's the guy that does the NFL stuff, Zerline, that's always putting his write-ups over there, say, well, he's unathletic and he can't do this. Are you kidding me? One of the best defensive lines in the whole frigging country, and he that's one of his best games?
00:42:56
Speaker
You're telling me that that shows that he's unathletic and probably isn't going to be a solid prospect in the NFL? I mean, am am I that – dumb.
00:43:09
Speaker
I think what helped Connors in that is like, like you kind of pointed to is that that line dealt with injuries this season and Texas game, the Texas Michigan game was like the second game of the season. So they were all healthy at that point. and And,
00:43:24
Speaker
I didn't think he was like that bad of an athlete. I don't think he's an elite athlete for a guard or anything like that. But yeah, I, I, I pretty sure he was one of the guys that was dealing with like, a bunch of different nagging injuries throughout the season, the season.
00:43:40
Speaker
So to each their own, I do feel like, you know, we've kind of alluded to the Packers are looking for guard and or and are looking for tackle and center.
00:43:52
Speaker
If they're going to get a guard, it I do think it would be more from, excuse me, the free agent side because they'd want just
Iowa's O-line Prospects' NFL Impact
00:43:59
Speaker
someone. who Yeah, actually, I'm on the reverse. I think if they're going to tackle, it's going to be somebody in free agency that they know can play the swing tackle.
00:44:09
Speaker
And because look at the guards that they have. They're pretty set at guard. So if they they bring in a center, then you know it's going to be Elton and Ryan. Or if they move Elton to center, then you know it's going to be Morgan or Ryan.
00:44:21
Speaker
But there's no depth there. you know Glover, as you as we talked about, is not a guard. He's going to be more of your tackle-type depth. I was looking at it. Telfer is a free agent, according to the list that I was looking at.
00:44:34
Speaker
So he will be not – unless they re-sign him, – going to be there even though they like him. Uh... So... Unless he was an exclusive rights or something, but the list I got... He should be. i should be an exclusive rights guy because he only came... 23 was when they signed him to a futures deal, so he should be like really easy to retain if they want him. you know and That's the big thing. So...
00:45:08
Speaker
And yeah, I don't think I've seen updates that. But I mean, Phil, he wasn't really a, you know, a must. I know they liked him, but he really, he was even worse than what Glover was showing at at the guard position.
00:45:22
Speaker
So i view it as the Packers are going to be looking more for guard depth than they are anything in in the draft. I think they'll reach out for for a swing tackle and free agency.
00:45:35
Speaker
and go from there, but we could both be wrong. They could be like, oh no, our guys are fine and we don't need nothing. so Yeah. All right. I feel like we're going to just be, we're just going to be pissing in the wind a little bit on this.
00:45:51
Speaker
Shall we do our usual and we'll talk about whatever whatever talent our alma maters have put into this draft class you want to go first with who Iowa has in this O-line class? Well, Iowa's got a couple of them.
00:46:03
Speaker
And I do have a couple other names I'd like to throw out there. Okay, go for it. Go for it. Yeah. The one that I was talking about that I said that needed to stay on his feet more was Chase Lott out of UConn.
00:46:14
Speaker
i I said he was quick off the snap. He might be better suited as guard. He did the whole bear hug thing. He played right tackle at UConn.
00:46:27
Speaker
So that's why I said I think he's going to better suited as a guard. And he just seemed to always – be off his feet for some reason and then the other guy is was giving me kind of bulaga vibes i think more with his build than anything and the reason i wrote him down is i busted out laughing watching this so this is what i got wrote down on him i said he was good off the snap he he actually did the back pedal which was or the the leg kick and that was shocking because it
00:46:57
Speaker
Like Mike and I were talking beforehand, it was few and far between that you saw people actually do the leg kick when watching this stuff. But I thought he was a little bit stiff in it, so that could be something to be worked on.
00:47:10
Speaker
I thought he was a better run blocker than a pass blocker. He struggled with the pass off. And what I mean by struggle with the pass off is he would chip a guy and then he would be he would struggle to he struggled to go off to the so his actual assignment.
00:47:28
Speaker
So that might be something to work on. But the thing that made me the laugh out at him was, and I can't think of what, I think it was the, oh God, it was one of the bigger games because they got absolutely decimated. Purdue absolutely got decimated that game.
00:47:46
Speaker
The edge was coming off. And it looked like he was going to beat him. But all of a sudden, you just see this big bear paw come out and slap him in the back of the shoulder pads and knocked him clear off his feet.
00:47:58
Speaker
yes I wrote down in my notes, what a slap. Like, continue to watch the game. And he did it two more times. The edge guy would come around and he would just swat him in the back of the shoulder pad and just stumble the guy.
00:48:12
Speaker
And it was so hilarious that I could not go without bringing this guy up because it just, it had me laughing watching this. So Iowa does have two guys coming out that I know, I think even possibly three, but I know two for sure.
00:48:27
Speaker
One is Rickman. I think the left tackle and the other is Connor Colby. Rickman, I think Rickman is going to end up being one of those that is probably going to end up as a late round draft pick, probably preferred UDFA just to see what he does. He he held up well.
00:48:47
Speaker
I think he was probably one of the better offensive linemen that Iowa put out this year. But I just, i I don't know how well he's going to I don't know how well his ability is going to transfer to the pros.
00:49:04
Speaker
Now, Colby is another one that is going to be probably a pure guard. Good hand placement, good off the snap. oh Maybe needed to work on his footwork a little bit.
00:49:16
Speaker
And he did struggle a little bit with power. So if somebody put a power move on him, he he struggled with holding holding holding ground on that guy. I have to say the last few years they have really pumped out lackluster prospects from the Iowa offensive line, which sucks because it always it seemed like for years we had first rounders constantly.
00:49:42
Speaker
And i just, this is, again, lackluster. I think there's going to be some guys coming out next year that are going to have a better shot at it. Do I want the Packers to grab them? Well, yeah, I'd have an all Iowa draft if I could.
00:49:57
Speaker
But it just, I don't know what round they're going to feel comfortable in. And I don't think the guys coming out are going to have the versatility that Green Bay is going to, that normally wants in their offensive line draft picks.
00:50:14
Speaker
Yeah, so, excuse me.
00:50:18
Speaker
It's, yeah Yeah, it has been down for Iowa for O-line. And it it feels weird to say that because as much as everyone talks about like Wisconsin, i felt like our schools, Michigan and Iowa, have both been in that realm of like they're always putting out talent. And it has been weird to see Iowa struggle to put good O-line talent into it. Basically, it's kind of been that way since like Wirf's lin and Linderblum went to the NFL and that it's kind of just tailed off after that pretty bad.
00:50:51
Speaker
But... It's all after he let his kid in be in charge with the friggin' recruitment. And... Now I'm glad that San Jose State or whatever them whatever college school has got him because he can screw them up.
00:51:08
Speaker
We're still feeling the effects of it. but And I know it's a joke, but it's really true. Kirk let Brian recruit do all the recruitment. He was in charge of the recruiting, and you can tell.
00:51:21
Speaker
And because a lot of the guys that he brought in just didn't fit the Iowa system. And they really struggled with it. And offensive line is especially.
00:51:33
Speaker
Kirk, for as much as I give him shit for being just an average coach, is a hell of an offensive line coach. He's one of the best ever. And that's not just Iowa bias. that's that's No, because like I said, we were just when the faucet is just on for O-line prospects, and you can list them. There have been some really good ones that have come through the NFL.
00:51:55
Speaker
And like I said, the way the faucet has just turned off the last few years, it's it's surprising.
00:52:01
Speaker
And so hopefully now that Brian is out of there, Kirk can get back into it. And the one kid that I was hoping would be a potential prospect coming out this year. And I think had he went to Iowa, he probably would have been more than Alabama, but now the kid can go fucking brought in Alabama for all I care is Caden Proctor.
00:52:26
Speaker
He was a five-star coming out of high school and he was supposed to be that next great Iowa lineman. And now he's just,
00:52:37
Speaker
a drop of water in, in Alabama and, and that's nothing against Alabama, but when you know, you're almost guaranteed to be a top two round draft pick from Iowa, or you just become another one of the numbers at Alabama, you know, something's a little off here.
00:53:01
Speaker
So whatever, more power to them. That's, that's the only knock I have about the n NIL and the transfer portal is allowing guys to jump around like that.
Michigan's Miles Hinton and Conclusion
00:53:13
Speaker
But until they get something figured out, I don't know, but yeah, I would just have been producing.
00:53:20
Speaker
Yeah. So, and on the Michigan side of things, we only really have one NFL prospect this year. Excuse me. And that's miles Hinton.
00:53:31
Speaker
And he would probably go later in the draft if Green Bay were to take, well, he probably is going later in the draft because, you know, he played on the championship team last year, but he was more of like a spot, like he played the six lineman role, was a spot starter.
00:53:48
Speaker
He's...
00:53:51
Speaker
He's a little outside of the thresholds, but in the like big way as opposed to like the the you know being short-armed. and So he measures up in terms of his arm length and hand hand size. He's got 34 1⁄8-inch arms, 10 1⁄4-inch hands. So those two measurements Green Bay really likes.
00:54:09
Speaker
He actually weighed in less than I thought he would. they They had him at 323 at the combine. and But he is 6'7", and Green Bay hasn't picked a lineman that's 6'7 before... round like six or maybe five at, and the times that I've really been tracking it.
00:54:23
Speaker
So, um, am curious if they'll take him, but he would fit that role of like, he comes in, he's a swing tackle. He's a guy you can put out there. If you go like an extra lineman heavy kind of thing and stuff. And,
00:54:38
Speaker
You know, he has some developmental upside. His technique needs work. But he is the he comes from that mold of linemen where he's a big dude and he knows he's a big dude.
00:54:51
Speaker
And when his technique goes. gives a little bit. He does just use the fact that he is, you know, a city block big to be like, okay, like I've screwed up my footwork or my hand placement, but he still has to run around me kind of thing and stuff. So he he knows that his size is his asset and he uses it to his advantage.
00:55:13
Speaker
Same thing, like you said, i don't know where exactly he would fit in with how... Green Bay kind of likes certain template for their O-linemen, but would be pretty thrilled if miss or if Green Bay picked him because I do think, like I said, I do think he has some upside as a pro.
00:55:29
Speaker
Otherwise, we could keep kicking rocks on this class, but Joe, you got anyone else you want to go over for this one or you want to put a bow on it today already at this point?
00:55:40
Speaker
I think we can wrap wrap it up because, yeah... If the Packers take somebody, I really don't see it before like the third round. Yeah. And i just... Even then, it's like, okay, well, I think they're only going to take this guy as maybe it's a diamond in the rough type deal.
00:56:01
Speaker
Uh, so yeah, I mean, I tried to look for my normal, uh, small school guys and I got as far as the kid from William and Mary and that's about all. And that would be your like homogadgy equivalent player kind of thing and stuff. Yeah.
00:56:16
Speaker
the Packers did talk to a kid. Uh, it's a me Mario. uh,
00:56:27
Speaker
Logan Brown from Kansas. And now I did get to watch a little bit of him, and he seemed solid, but he was a right tackle. So, again, i don't know if he's got the versatility there to be able to play both ends of it, but he seemed like an old-school style right tackle where, you know, he played to the whistle, and he had the movement and the speed, and he looked more athletic. Now, I don't know what he did at the combine, so I couldn't tell you if he completely bombed it.
00:56:58
Speaker
or if he even was there. So, yeah, other than that, i struggled watching any offensive line. And like you said earlier, we struggled to get a guest for the show because nobody wanted to talk about it.
00:57:11
Speaker
Yeah.
00:57:13
Speaker
up for next week next week we do have oh sorry circling back to logan brown he actually had a decent combine he was there and he comes up he came up he didn't do the agility drills but for the speed size and explosion composite he has a 944 razz so Kind of makes sense why he, and then in terms of arm length, he's like 33 and seven eight so tackle doable for how the Packers like their guys to measure out and stuff. So kind of makes sense why they would talk to him. Oh, no, he, he, we were so close.
00:57:51
Speaker
Hang on, let's see if he comes back. Come back.
00:57:55
Speaker
We were so close. No, wasn't the internet. that I got punchy with the buttons. I was closing the wrong tab.
00:58:04
Speaker
Not technical difficulties, human difficulties, but what else do you expect? But as I was alluding to, unlike this week where you had to hear the two of us try and find positive things to spin this O-line class with, next week we'll have Dusty Evely on to talk tight ends. And that should be... You've got big slate of or a big slate the next three weeks.
00:58:27
Speaker
Yep. So we've got Dusty talking tight ends. That should be a lot more energetic episode. I feel like more upbeat in terms of the outlook of what Green Bay could possibly get out of this class.
00:58:39
Speaker
but And tight end can be a sneaky need. I mean, I know we've got Tucker and Musgrave and that, but you know if Musgrave doesn't continue, that could be a sneaky neat need. Yeah, i think I think honestly they should be looking into it I haven't given up on Musgrave, but you know the track record coming out of college was he couldn't stay healthy, and granted the two injuries he's had as a pro are really fluky injuries, but
00:59:10
Speaker
You can't discount that that's been... Unfortunately, his thing, other than you know all the Bambi jokes and stuff like that, but you know when when he's been out there he's and healthy, his impact has been noticeable.
00:59:24
Speaker
But unfortunately, you know for everyone talking about Jair and all that kind of stuff, it's a similar thing where he's only been out there like a third of the games that he's been a pro. So it it like you said, it's a sneaky need, but one where depending on how the board falls, you could see like...
00:59:40
Speaker
I don't know if he'll be there, but Warren from Penn State or Loveland from Michigan, those two guys could be in play at 23, especially if there isn't a receiver that they really like. They could go like inside out.
00:59:53
Speaker
But we'll see that. Michigan guy without throwing the Iowa guy out there. I see how it is. yeah
01:00:01
Speaker
But we'll save more of that for Dusty when he joins us next week. want to thank you for joining us on the Ohana Packers Edition podcast. Please check out our website, ohanapackers.org.
01:00:13
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01:00:46
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This guy is just me. Oh yeah.
01:00:51
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Because I haven't created one over there yet. There's not enough people over there for us to justify having another social media account. Well, I don't think it's that. It's just I haven't been active. No, no, no. Don't say that. Don't say, shh.
01:01:05
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I'm covering for you, Joe. No, I fully admit I struggle with the social media stuff. So, yeah. If anybody wants to do social media, please contact me at OutbackPackers1919 at And you can come do the social media for it. yeah
01:01:27
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01:01:42
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To put it undelicately, we don't want to see one taken before day three out of this draft class unless funky things happen in terms of guys sliding down the board.
01:01:52
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I will run up on the stage and and protest if it happens. I old man arrested at Lambeau.
01:02:01
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So maybe we're not funding my trip. We're funding my bail. No.
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But that's Iowa Joe. I'm Mike. We say all the time, go Pack Go and Aloha.