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Packing the Courthouse
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This week Iowa Joe continues his Offseason Off Topic discussions with Dawn Dacquisto from Hey! We Like Your Pod! Dawn and Joe talk True Crime from what makes people interested in True Crime, Trials and events we are interested in currently and talk some local stories!
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Introduction and Guest Introduction
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Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to another episode of OAP. I am Iowa Joe, and this is a continuation of my off-season, off-topic episodes. This week, I am bringing a good friend on, one that I i wanted to bring on last year, but but we didn't get a chance to.
00:00:17
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She's been kind of We've kind of intermingled over the years between the two our two pods, so it just made sense to try bringing her back this time. Dawn DeQuisto, I think I did that right. I was thinking over it the whole week. i was like, I knew what it was. I knew what it was.
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And now I just blanked on it. But Dawn from Hey, We Like Your Pod, her and Matt do, well, you guys have been kind of taken, what, once every two, three weeks now.
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But during the season, you're pretty much a weekly episode. Every
Podcast Schedule Changes Due to Health
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week. we This is the first off season that we didn't stay every week, but I've been dealing with some health issues this summer. So we decided, hey, let's, you know, let's get our lives together. and But we've been over 40.
00:01:04
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are we five seasons now are we five no it's been a while i think you guys were doing it long before i yeah so but this is the first uh off season that we haven't gone every week so it's been kind of weird i miss my maddie i missed talking to him matt you know ah he's gonna get a big head from this but matt's one of the best guys that you ever want to meet out there and you know so you know i can understand that if i had matt as a podcast partner i'd probably want to talk to him every week too I like my podcast partner where i I kick him off to the side when I don't need him. yeah That's not true, Mike. I do appreciate you and your your help and all that stuff. Hi, Mike. well
00:01:47
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That's not what we're to talk about this week. I wanted to do this. like Like I was telling Don before the start of the podcast, last year when we were doing the top fives, I was trying to figure out a way to get this incorporated, but Mike's not really into it, so it was hard to do last year. But this year with the off-season, off-topic,
00:02:07
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episodes and me doing it kind of by myself, I wanted to talk about it a little
Focus on True Crime
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bit. And this is going to be a true crime episode. Don't worry, we're not going to get into too many gory details on the thing and that we're just going to talk a little bit about generically about true crime and all that stuff. So I guess the first question is, Dawn, what got you into being a true crime follower I don't want to be and say enthusiast because then that just sounds kind of wrong being enthusiastic about.
00:02:37
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ah ah You're right. You're right. It does sound right. Well, okay. So that's a good question I've had to ask myself that. my my I'm not really, I guess you could say I'm a true crime.
00:02:51
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I'm interested in true crime, but I'm a trial watcher. Right. oh Which is a little different because I have a lot of friends who watch trials, but they also watch like all the documentaries and also fiction. And I will not touch that. That stuff scares me.
00:03:10
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It's too scary. and The local news is too scary for me. So I just watched trials, but I'll explain. So what got me into it, i didn't know, um guess, well, let's see, COVID happened yeah and we're all stuck inside.
Interest in True Crime: Personal and Pandemic Influences
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And i don't I'm sure you recall in Minnesota, there was the George Floyd murder by a police officer.
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And I, despite my reluctance to do anything, that to expose myself to anything gory or, or sad or anything that's making me squirmish or anything like that, I decided I was going to watch that trial.
00:03:53
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Yeah. And it was live streamed and I believe it was on television too, but it was live streamed. And so I could watch every second of that trial that, that kind of started me and then I got on into another case from that and the next case I got into was I'm still into because they keep arresting people it's just like a big conspiracy a lot of people were involved and it was the murder of a law professor in in Florida but so your question was why like what got me into it so yes I was interested in what happened
00:04:30
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to George Floyd and how the justice system worked, especially with a police officer being the person on trial. But it took me a couple years to realize why i have, and I've had friends say this to me over the years, you have such a strong sense sense of justice. eight And it took me a long time to understand that it's because I myself, I'm a lawyer,
00:04:58
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ah ah was a victim of a very serious crime when I was 10 years old. And i kind of blocked it out and about 20 years ago, it's the memories started coming back and such.
00:05:11
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And the person who committed, who tried to kidnap and kill me basically when I was 10, actually got a neighbor girl. She lived four blocks from Yeah, and she's much younger and so much more vulnerable.
00:05:25
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I always got to wait. And he's still alive and he's still in prison and I still participate in his parole hearings. i imagine.
00:05:36
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Yes, with his with her family. And so we've we've developed really new. And so it didn't recur to me like I didn't because I never watching the news. It freaked me out. Like like I said, no crime shows, nothing like that.
00:05:53
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But all of a sudden I'm watching these trials and I'm being exposed to all kinds of things that I never wanted to be exposed to. And I realized that it was a way for me to kind of ride along with justice, like to feel good about other people who were getting just little measure of justice.
Trial Watching as Education
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Because real justice would be that the crime never happened or the person is still with us or you know, when we're talking about murder or whatever, or they're not,
00:06:19
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maimed for life or whatever the crime was. But now I will say I generally will shy away from anything that's got too much, you know, gory detail. A lot of times I will skip over in the trial, I'll skip over the testimony of the doctors and that kind of thing, just because I can't.
00:06:37
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But that's kind of- Well, and top of that, they use such big terms in that that I just, it kind of like goes yeah right over my head. The trial watching is so educational. It's so, so for over the years, I've thought about just because I was going to go to law school. We talked about this offline, but I thought about, well, just for fun, getting a law degree. Like, and i don't there's no way I'm going to practice law. And I'm certainly not going to practice criminal law. No way. Right.
00:07:06
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right But how interesting would it be just to get that law degree? And so what I find with the trials is i'm it's very educational. And then when you watch trial after trial, after trial, you many trials, you're starting to and like you're starting to speak in legal jargon and you're understanding.
00:07:27
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So yeah, a lot of people on my channel think, are you a lawyer? it's like, oh God, no. yeah Well, and I said that when we before we recorded, I had to ask what you did because I was like, for some reason, it just kept sticking in my mind that with everything that you talk about that she has either paralegal legal assistant or something like that. But so, yeah, I was i was in that group. Yeah, yeah. And I guess because when you watch enough trials, you're starting to, you know, use words like motion and continuance and things like this, like as as if it's it's part of daily life. But and have friends who are lawyers and things like that. So it's not like like I can ask questions to offline.
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I just finished
Jury Duty Experiences
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a show on my channel. It was I was invited by a lawyer, a yeah YouTube lawyer, Judy. She's just the sweetest thing on the planet. Judy's a YouTube lawyer. Look her up. She's great. And then she had a law professor on and me And so I call myself Dawn DeKisto, potential juror, because ah ah because I like to look at trials as if, even if I know some of the background, right, I will look at them and I try to be fair.
00:08:39
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I just try to be fair. And I try to take both sides of the argument in. like right they And I'm not like on there, there's a lot of people on YouTube who are like,
00:08:51
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they hate all defense attorneys because they're, you know, defending criminals. And I used to be that way, but anyway, so that's kind of my story. The dude that, that this, you know, that happened, that this dude is still alive in Wisconsin. Wisconsin is a life, but you can't be without parole in every state. is without control Yeah. It was the same way It's parole. he gets to go up and say, and I need to, I want to get out for these reasons.
00:09:20
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Yeah. So it's an interesting process. and for many years, I wasn't involved in it at all. I wasn't even like it was blocked out of my memories until it kind of came back. Right. right ah law Yeah. So that kind of brings up the question. Have you ever been part of a jury?
00:09:39
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i have been asked many times and never. um and I've always gotten out of it for I hate the word gotten out of it, but for medical reasons, I usually write.
00:09:50
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Yeah. I would like in the jury pool twice and I got selected one time. Yeah. it kind but It wasn't, it wasn't a big, it was a bigger trial than what we thought it was going to be, but it was just basically a meth trial.
00:10:08
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was a lady that kind of was like a small town kingpin type deal where she was supplying stuff when the detail when we got all the details she was like they would bring her this the the pseudephedrin and she would like make it and give it out and stuff like that has so but it was it took about a week maybe four days you first part was just you know you know they do the voir
00:10:39
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and all that stuff. And then they got us in and they had a few witness witnesses that they brought on and stuff. And it was it was kind of, for me personally, i don't know about the rest of them. This was 15 years ago.
00:10:56
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don't know about the rest of the jury or anything. I mean, we ended up on an agreement on everything. It was unanimous across the board. But for me, it was a toss up. and then the lady took the stand and it kind of just blew the whole thing out of the water for me because the defendant took the stand yeah yeah and she uh her husband at the time got on the stand was saying well i don't remember this person and i don't know this person and but this is what happened here and this is what happened here and then the defendant got on the stand goes oh well he just didn't remember this or he so he was she was like battling what her husband was saying and battling what these other people were saying and trying to put a spin on it oh yeah he knew this and
00:11:40
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He just he doesn't remember it. And it's like, OK, you're just trying to cover your bases now. This isn't, you know, you're trying to give somebody else's testimony instead of your own. And then when we got into the room to do the deliberation and we started putting like figures together, you know how with the the cold medicines that you have to, like, give your ID and all that stuff for for the Sudafedra.
00:12:06
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the people and there were like two or three people and her that it all corresponded around the same time they were getting it all together at the same time and it all came because her husband was a farmer so he was getting the ammonia and it was all happening around the time that he was getting the tanks of ammonia oh wow so when we were putting all that together it's like okay and then what she was saying on the stand to try to refute her own uh witnesses it's like okay this is this is yeah
00:12:39
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and so yeah we buried herself Yeah, at least in my mind, she buried herself. And then obviously we all found her guilty and it was unanimous and all that. So who I don't know what the sentning sentencing was because we weren't a part of that. But you know she she did get ah ah she was found guilty. So yeah but that was the only. Now, i was in the jury pool for another trial and I was damn glad I didn't get part of that one because I had wanted nothing to do with it.
00:13:08
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It was a cold case file. And it was a rape and murder from the seventy s Oh, wow. And when we cross paths because the two juries were going on basically at the same time or not the same time, they they just ended their one trial and we were coming in for the other. So there was some intermingling between some of the the jurors, the two jury pools.
00:13:35
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I probably shouldn't. Well, it's been 15 years. the the your limitations is out of there, but there was yeah some intermingling and we found out that they were almost in physical fights during their deliberations.
00:13:47
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Wow. Like 12 angry men or 12 angry jurors type of thing. Yeah. They had and you know of course you had the people that oh well she deserved it because she was wearing this and she was wearing them Hotsi Totsis and you know and stuff like that. So there and that jury trial went to hung jury i don't remember whatever happened afterwards but i was just glad i wasn't part of that because there's no way i'd have been able to handle being because i'm one of those that yeah i know i'm out of shape i'm getting older and all that stuff but you don't poke me and you don't you don't get in my face if i believe something and unless you can give me the proof to show that i'm wrong
00:14:33
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then don't sit there and and I'm also one of those that I don't want to base everything off of hearsay. Well, like I said, there were rumors that they were going through and saying, oh, well, you know, I knew this girl when she was you know, when she was working down at this store and she was, she was, she was a whore and stuff like that. And it's like, no, that doesn't mean jack shit that, you know, nobody deserves to have what happened to her.
00:15:03
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So, you know, I wouldn't have been able to sit in that jury too long with that conversation was going on. Right. Yeah. have hard time with that too.
00:15:14
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But go ahead. No, I was just going to say, I think it's kind of a blessing that I've never been on a jury. There's some of them that, you know, and I was, I was selected. Well, I wasn't selected, but I got my notification for one a few years ago, but we never got called because it was during COVID. So they were trying to really limit the the actual jury trials that they were having at the time.
00:15:42
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but You know, like, it's hard to want to put somebody away or not, you know, not put somebody away. But it's a little easier to go into a jury when you know it's something like drunken driving or or a drug case or something like that because there's not a life on the line. You know, you're not sending somebody to death. You're not sending somebody away from life without parole.
00:16:07
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You're not doing that. They're going to get, if they're found guilty, they're going to get time, but it's not like, killer time or, you know, something like that. So not that I want to be back on a jury because that was just a pain in the ass to deal with, but i bet I would Yeah.
00:16:26
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Yeah. So I was just going to say the reason why I kind of will find myself leaning towards like true crime stuff is just because I've always been interested in like, you When I was a kid, I loved Sherlock Holmes. Well, I mean, I still love Sherlock Holmes. So I always loved the investigation portions of things. i ah I'm a Cumberbitch, so.
00:16:49
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and yeah And his is one of the best Sherlock Holmes ever. I loved it. I wish they would finally do another season, but it doesn't ever look like they're going do one. But, you know, I have the books. I even have some of the books that were written by... um but newer authors, but still with the same characters and stuff like that.
00:17:10
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but And i just always loved the investigation part of things. And even when I was a kid, I said I wanted to be a lawyer, but then my dad said, well, I don't want my kid, uh, you know, defending the likes of, uh, uh, uh, you know, the murderer or something like that. So that kind of blew that whole thought process out of me. So, so you would have been a criminal lawyer.
00:17:33
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Well, I know at the time I just didn't know what I wanted to be. i just wanted something in the law. I didn't know if it was going to be criminal. i don't know if it was going to be, i didn't want to do like tax stuff because I was never good at math.
00:17:48
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So I think that's one of the big requirements for being in like tax law and stuff like that. Right. But, So I just, I love the investigate, but now I get to the point where I get angry when I listen to these true crime things, because you hear about how the law enforcement didn't do this or they didn't do that. And it's like, that's the first thing I would have done.
00:18:13
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or I listened to one of the pods, uh, and that's why we drink. And, did an episode a couple weeks ago where It was in Minnesota and there was and a young indigenous girl who she went out.
00:18:30
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She told her parents that she or told her mom that she was going to go out to the movies with some friends. Then and her and her mom had to go to work. And like in the middle of her mom's shift, she gets a call from the girl and she's like crying and you know, whatever. And, you know, wanting her mom to come get her and stuff like that.
00:18:52
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So she goes home and there's like a bunch of kids in the house and, you know, they've been drinking and all this other stuff. And she tried to go get her daughter out of this one room and these kids letting her go into the room.
00:19:05
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And so now I have to say, this was one mistake on the mothers that I probably, if it had to be, it would have been done different. She went outside to call the cops.
00:19:18
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Oh. And when she came back in all the kids were gone and they were running out the back door and her daughter wasn't in there. yeah And nobody's seen the daughter since.
00:19:28
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Oh my God. And well, when the cop showed up, they immediately said, well, it's a, ah ah she's a runaway. And so they, they did no investigation or anything on it.
00:19:43
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And then like a week later, the cop calls again and says, well, has she shown up? And the mom's like, no, are you guys doing anything? Oh, well, I'll call you in a week. And she hasn't showed up, then we'll see. So, you know, I get really angry when I hear that stuff because like, this is what law enforcement is supposed to be for.
00:20:01
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oh tell me about it. Now, don't get me started out live. That's another conversation. I know that can be a whole new episode. now I know you've been kind of you do your trial watching and you've been kind of getting into you've been following some of the more recent ones. Well, i I didn't watch the trial, but I know the story of one of the ones that you were really getting into. So I kind of want to bring that one up. And that's the Delphi case.
00:20:30
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Oh, yes. We kind of had a discussion one time through your chat during one of your your podcast episodes that ah ah you were kind of not sure about the guy that is sitting in jail because of it.
00:20:46
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Right. And i leaned the opposite way where I, even though I didn't watch the trial, I followed along the other things. i start to wonder if they actually did get the, you know, I think they got the guy that possibly, cause I mean, there were supposedly people that put them in that area during that time, they were able to match some things up to him, but uh how deep do you get into these trial watches do you actually go through and uh if they uh do you go into like case files and stuff like that or do you go through everything that's publicly available everything that's richard allen you're talking about and he was he was prosecuted he was convicted he was found guilty
00:21:32
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by a jury of his peers. A lot of people think hes still think he's innocent because they believe he was coerced into this confession. confession He was put into solitary confinement. He was treated to inhumane conditions. He still probably is.
00:21:49
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And he went kind of bananas from all appearances.
Delphi Murder Case Discussion
00:21:53
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And so when he finally said, yeah, to his wife, I guess over the phone, I did it. They don't, a lot of people are like, yeah, he just, he doesn't know what he's saying anymore because you've seen him. He's like drooling. He's lost a million pounds.
00:22:07
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So um i will watch. every single hearing, read every motion, every response that's a but that's publicly available. Some try from cases they won't make them as publicly available, just kind of depends.
00:22:24
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I will watch, and I mostly only watch lawyers on YouTube. I don't watch, because I want to know like really what's actual yeah what's going to happen, like how what's the layout, because there's a whole like it's just like any business.
00:22:41
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There's a whole different playing field, right? Right. Different terminology. And so and and there's some lawyers that are going to give it to you one way or the other way.
00:22:53
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With Delphi Richard Allen, which is the murder of two young girls for anyone who doesn't know, and This one was not, it was not, lot of things were kept secret by the judge.
00:23:10
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And so it wasn't as open. And that also will breed a lot more suspicion from people who are used to being able to read everything from FOIA requests and whatnot.
00:23:22
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And so there's a lot of that too. But I followed a couple of lawyers who actually because it wasn't being live streamed, went to the trial. There were a lot of lawyers all over the country attending that trial, taking off a work for, i don't know, a month or two, whatever it was. I can't remember how much time trial was. It was a bit, yeah. Yeah, it was a while.
00:23:44
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And we're in that courtroom because they were concerned about what was going on. So when you see that kind of thing, Karen reads another one. Uh, which just i haven't been up to date on that one yet. and i see I'm the upper other way. I don't watch the trials. I'll catch it when one of my favorite podcasts do it. and then ill Karen Reed was all a lot about law enforcement being very corrupt and a lot of police because of since that trial have been fired.
00:24:15
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Yeah. And they're involved with other trials that are really big in, in that area that if they got their fingerprints on there that they might have affected those trials. So from justice being done. So in any case, some Delphi was was pretty heartbreaking and because he was found guilty and it was just really not clear.
00:24:40
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it was really not clear what what was really going on there. Now, Richard Allen in that case, he did he told police that he was there.
00:24:51
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Yeah. He told police and then they like forgot about it for five years and then went back and questioned him. And so, Something about the, they had him in the file as, uh, they, they like,
00:25:07
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there was a file and it was, it had a note on there that said cleared or talk to or whatever. And, and they had a volunteer in there that was doing like file sorting or something.
00:25:19
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And she found it and went through it. And, uh, so that, that kind of brought him back on the scope. Right. But I do agree that it sounds like to me that there wasn't a lot of things that they released that what they did release did seem a bit damning to. Sure. Against him.
00:25:40
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know he said he was in the area, but I know they said that there was also another set of like, not like as super young as the two girls were, but like teenage or upper teenage girls that said that he was there.
00:25:54
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so they saw him. He, I mean, he never denied. i mean, he, I think they probably said anybody who was there, let us know, you know, type of thing. The problem is there was e convicted sex offender there.
00:26:08
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there was the son and the, and the the father was like burning things. And I can know, but I mean, there were a lot of people that didn't appear to have been, and and one of the persons is dead now.
00:26:20
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And a lot of people that weren't investigated to the extent they, so here again, it comes back to law enforcement doing it. It's a tiny little town. you don't like to point fingers, but,
00:26:31
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It's like, what is going on here? Because that would be like more likely the person. And I think they said at least what I got from the, the one podcast that I listened to recently that, that they, there was a connection between the family and Drew Dallin that he worked at a CVS that the grandmother, frequented.
00:26:57
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Everybody did. It was a tiny town. Right. But I mean, that they she knew him and not like bosom buddies or anything like that, but they they had a working knowledge of each other. And, you know, typical law enforcement thing is, you know, if there's a connection in any way, we're going to follow that line no matter what.
00:27:17
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Well, the problem is the girls were hooking up with this guy. Right, yeah. yeah what we youre talking about but yeah yeah they they yeah and That connection. They were having secret, I don't know, dates or whatever, and they were meeting him there.
00:27:31
Speaker
Yeah. that' so now The way they put it on the podcast was that she had been communicating with a known catfish, which the catfish is a term that if anybody doesn't know what catfish is nowadays, it's where you pretend to be somebody else online. But they said that there was no that that there was communications but there was never anything to show that they were going to meet up that's how it was was put the way i heard it now like i said i haven't deep dived like you did you but he ended up being there as well as his father okay his father ended up like burning things and he picked his father up and he actually pointed the finger at his father
00:28:15
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okay Yeah, it's very convoluted. So it's just, I know with all of that and then you have what appears to be a coerced confession by somebody who really doesn't, I mean, it's you think bad it's really sad. you think maybe the defense, the defense counsel kind of hurt him more in a way than,
00:28:39
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tried to help him because that sounded like they were trying to because i i do know from parts of what i heard and then from what i heard of the podcast they were trying to put it off as like a as a cult ritual death or something like that night right right um that that could have been yeah like ah too much of a distraction Right. Instead of, you know, focusing on the two that you're talking about, you know, that sounded like they were trying to bring this cult up and that they were, using you know, they even said that they were involved in that.
00:29:15
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Yeah. Okay. so but Not, not the, you did the false, not the guy who was convicted, Richard Allen, but the, I forgot the other guy's name, but he's still in prison, I think, as far as I know, for other crimes.
00:29:28
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Yeah. So, It could have. but I mean, hindsight's 20, 20. I do know that his lawyers are still out there saying he's innocent. We believe we're we're disappointed.
00:29:41
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A lot of defense attorneys will do that, but they're pretty sincere. And then we've got like the podcast, ah prosecutor's podcast. who are like, oh no, he's guilty. you know so it you know i listen usually Oftentimes I'll listen to multiple side like multiple sides because I'm trying not to be just like one way or the other, trying keep it in line.
00:30:01
Speaker
But in this one, it's hard because if you can't see the trial, you can't see the people's faces when you're postifying, it's really hard. so actually I didn't know the... that I feel one way or the other.
00:30:14
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But I do say on that one, I feel really sad. And I just don't. and And I didn't know that the guy and his dad were there. Yep. I had heard that they had been communicating.
00:30:27
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But there was no actual meetups planned, or they were going to get together or anything like that. So yeah, that does kind of, you know, throw in there. simply The young, the son picked the father up in that area.
00:30:41
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the father was burning something. Honestly, it feels like 100 years ago, so I might not have this right, but it's very suspicious. with the And the only other thing that I knew about Richard Allen is they were, and I will fully admit, I'm not, being that I i am a gun guy and I do know some things about how firearms work and all that, I'm still not sure how they were able to link that 40 caliber bullet that was unfired to his gun.
00:31:14
Speaker
Right. we do understand the possibility of had if it had been fired. Right. But I'm not sure because I mean, You go into one of the other rooms and I've got two 40 caliber handguns in there with boxes of different ammunition all over the place. And I guarantee you that somebody else has got this matching ammo in another house, you know, distance away.
00:31:39
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So if it's an unfired round, he could have been out there target shooting for all I know. Cause you know, exactly me being a country kid myself, yeah I can drive like five miles out of town and there's and a public hunting area that I can go set up a target.
00:31:54
Speaker
And as long as there's nobody behind it, i can start firing away and target shoot out there. So ah the who's to say that he didn't go out there to fire a new pistol that he had just got and he dropped a round out there.
00:32:08
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And I don't even think they had fingerprints on it or anything. No, they tried to say that they were able to match the unspent round his gun.
00:32:21
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And I'm still not sure how that would have linked up because the only markings that it would have, and I honestly, even though we're not going to show video or anything, I don't have one of mine handy to be able to pop a magazine out of it, but there's a magazine. And when you jam the round down into the magazine, that's the only time you're going to get any marks off of it. Right.
00:32:44
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Right. Well, the magazines are, they're very, minute differences between the magazines and the same guns, because they're all basically pressed the same way.
00:32:58
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you So to be able to say that bullet, unspent bullet came out of that gun, and that didn't make sense to me. Not certain. Right. Exactly. But but this shows the power of the government.
00:33:14
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that you put somebody on trial, you arrest them and you charge them with murder of two little girls and you stick them in front of a jury in a tiny town. And I do believe they brought jury in from a larger town outside of i think so had to Delphi, but I can't remember what town it was, but definitely didn't just have Delphi folks trying that as jurors on that case.
00:33:40
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But nevertheless, he's sitting there and a lot of jurors, it's like you're 90% there. Prosecutions. yeah prosecutions the success rate, the guilty rate is so high.
00:33:54
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It is so hard to get a not guilty. um and And then when you're talking about two little girls, it's just really rough. And so i just don't have certainty. I can't say, i i know a lot of people are like, no, he's innocent. that I just don't know because i didn't see the trial.
00:34:11
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I wasn't, bright but I watched as much as I could. I read as much as I could. I thought the judge was just gross. And see, I had the same thought with a different case to kind of jump ahead or jump to a different one.
Judicial Bias and Law Enforcement Corruption
00:34:26
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go ahead, jump. The Kyle Rittenhouse stuff.
00:34:29
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Oh, yeah. I thought judge was siding more with the defense throughout the whole thing. and Now, this is going to make a lot of people mad, and I understand how it sounds and all that stuff.
00:34:44
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And I do not like this kid one bit. He should have just hidden a hole and, and now he's trying to ride Trump coattails. And I, I'm, this is not me sticking up for him one at at all.
00:34:59
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Right. He should have never been in that situation. That's the first thing.
00:35:07
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The second thing is if you went into that situation, he should have got himself out of that situation quicker. Mm-hmm.
00:35:16
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But if I have a crowd of people throwing shit at me, threatening my life, and they as far as I know, they said that there was a guy there that had a handgun that pulled it on him, I would be trying to defend myself also.
00:35:39
Speaker
But that like I said, that doesn't ah ah like that doesn't mean anything because he put himself in that situation. Sure, sure. I didn't watch that trial. I know the judge though, because he was the same judge in a trial that I did watch. It was a retrial of an old, old case in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
00:36:00
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And um was, this guy was found guilty and he had one of the rare, rare, rare appeals that was like after 20 some years, he was given a new trial. So I watched the retrial.
00:36:10
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I think I watched the old trial too. I think they played it. so But it was that same judge. Anyway, house Yeah, yeah he's he's a despicable little kid. But I didn't watch the trial and I couldn't watch the trial.
00:36:24
Speaker
I just couldn't. I just couldn't watch And like i said, I don't want people to think that I'm trying to defend him in any way. I'm sure not. And i i did hear some lawyers talk about it and he was... They didn't prove that case.
00:36:38
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And anybody who thinks that... somebody should be found guilty just because they know they're guilty, but the case wasn't proven. They're wrong.
00:36:49
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You need, you need that check and balance in government because you sit there and you're charged with a serious crime and you're looking at serious time in prison, you know, taking your life or part half of your life away.
00:37:05
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you need the government to prove their case. So yeah I didn't watch it, but I'm, from what I gathered, the jury came to the right decision. Right. And, but my whole point of thing was, is that judge seemed to.
00:37:20
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Oh yeah. I saw that. Side with the defense a little bit more often than a little bit, then what he should have done. Yes. So yes, that was more of the point I was getting. i don't know why I went on that long diatrapa. No, no, no, it's okay. Well, that brings me to Karen Reed and I'll make Karen Reed short, but I think everybody on this, in this country should watch the entire care Karen Reed trial, even though it's over, you can replay it.
00:37:44
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Yeah, Karen Reed. I'll make it as quick as I can. So Karen Reed was is this was in outside of Boston in Canton, Massachusetts. Okay, he's like almost 50. No, I think she's a ah woman youngish woman dating a Boston cop.
00:38:03
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They went out. with a bunch of cop friends in Boston as one does, I guess. And they drank and drank and drank and drank and drank as, as they do in Boston.
00:38:17
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I mean, these people that most of the cops were in New York for the day at ah ah another cop's funeral. So they were drinking literally for 24 hours. Yeah. And they all ended up at one of the cops house.
00:38:30
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Karen Reed drops her boyfriend, John O'Keefe, at the door to be like, what's going on with this party? Should we go in? Should we not go in? He's just going to check it out. And she's like waiting for him to text.
00:38:44
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She's getting pissed. He never texts her. They were like in a two year relationship already a little bit on the rocks anyway. And she takes off. She goes back to his house and she's like, where are you, you pervert?
00:38:55
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You know, leaving him all these nasty messages. And the next day she wakes up at like 5 a.m. or 4 a.m. She wakes up in the middle of the night and he's not there. And she's like, well, and that is not like him.
00:39:09
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Bottom line, he's dead, looks to be beaten to pulverize and dog-bitten on the front lawn in the snow, because then a blizzard is starting that morning, of this cop's house where she left him.
00:39:26
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And they the cops are accusing her of running him over with her car. Well, excuse me, but she had this enormous 6,000 pound, like brand new Lexus that has all this data that they can gather.
00:39:40
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There's no evidence that there was a car crash. There was no evidence that she hit somebody. There was no evidence of anything. There was no evidence. There no dent on the car. I was going to say with as plastic as cars are anymore, there would have been some kind of damage to it. She had a broken taillight, but there was ever there was a video of her pulling out.
00:40:00
Speaker
to go look for him at like whatever time and hit his other his car parked there. What? In the taillight. Well, it appeared like from all appearances that the cops like broke the taillight out a little bit more and took like a broken drinking glass and threw it at it and you know, some really lame stuff, but there was no dents.
00:40:21
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Anyway, she got found, they had a hung jury. And so she had to retry and she ended up getting Some of the best, like Alan Jackson out of LA here.
00:40:32
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One of the best defense attorneys around. Millions of dollars. he He ended up pro bono because they just believed in the case. Anyway, they finally got her off. Not guilty, not guilty, not guilty. They charged her with everything.
00:40:46
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yeah second degree murder, manslaughter, leaving the scene of an accident, all this stuff, they were just all these lesser included, right not guilty on all of it.
00:40:57
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They finally, because just as a tactical maneuver, the defense, because they had been through a trial before and there happened to be a lawyer on the jury,
00:41:09
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she advised them on the second try on the retrial and they put in with her advice a DUI. Really? Yeah.
00:41:21
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Even though that wasn't proven and they're like, yeah, DUI. It was like a $6 million DUI charge. It cost that Canton, Massachusetts money, so much money. And the town is upset because they're why are you charging this woman?
00:41:37
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Anyway, people that killed her probably Boston cops, aren't being investigated. It'll never be, it'll be never ever investigated. It's just a big ride show.
00:41:49
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In my opinion. Right, the problem with law enforcement, and well, I mean, there's a lot of problems, like we said. there We can have a whole new, but they basically are a brotherhood. And they there's a YouTuber that I'm uh acquaintances with and and we'd have conversations and stuff like that i've had him on the pos uh the pod before and and when he started when i first started watching him and all that he said it and it kind of made sense there's no such thing as a good cop and the reason he says that is because if a good cop will let a bad cop do what a bad cop does and not
00:42:32
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turn them over, right? Then that makes him a bad cop. Yes, yes. And that's the kind of situation that probably what happened was that cop knew too much.
00:42:44
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The guy is inside knew he knew too much. yeah And they just had to get him out of there. And yeah, there are other cases in that same police precinct.
00:42:57
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of oh some I'm not even to mention them on here some really bad stuff yeah some really bad stuff and there's a young lady who's dead who was theoretically pregnant with one of the cops kid like started when she was like 11 I mean it's bad and maybe he knew about that he seemed to be a really nice guy this one John O'Keefe who was killed he
00:43:28
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His sister passed away from cancer, had two little kids. he He had mom and dad and brother who had kids and and he was single guy.
00:43:41
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And then her the sister's husband passed away like six months later. these kids are orphans. John O'Keefe, single guy, takes over, adopts these kids.
00:43:54
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So not only, i mean, his whole family lost John O'Keefe, Karen did. his girlfriend, but these kids have now lost their parents and their next parent.
00:44:05
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Like, oh my God, it's, you couldn't be more sad. anyway, it was a big trial. A lot of police officers testifying, you just would be blown away. I mean, you gotta see it to believe it because you could just see their line. Like, it's like, it was a joke to them.
00:44:24
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It was so in your face. You wouldn't even believe it. You have to see it. I wouldn't believe it if I didn't see it. So in your face. Like, hey, we're lying. I mean, it was so bad. Kind of to jump back to what I was talking about with the jury that I was on.
00:44:39
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We went in there not wanting to be on the cop's side. but Because she went through and started, like, hurting her own case. It was like, we've got to go with it because yeah now she's calling her own witnesses a liar. And, you know, he's trying. So they're trying to help Yeah.
00:45:00
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But yeah, that's why you never you don't testify in your own defense ever. because your ego or if you do, don't sit there and try to refute your own witnesses.
00:45:13
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that You can try to refute. You can refute the prosecution, but don't refute your own witnesses. right Yeah. So I know I wanted to leave a little bit of time open and we're we've got probably 15 minutes here or, you know, however long it takes. But I kind of wanted to leave this portion open to talk about any cases that, you know, might be local or, that you don't, cause honestly, in the small town that I live in, there's two local cases that I am surprised, like a a podcast, like small town murder hasn't,
00:45:51
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done or yeah because theres there's one specifically that I remember that happened in high school that when I was in high school that just it I know what the scuttle bud is because I'm in the town that it happened and I know the rumors and all that stuff.
00:46:09
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And then the other one I know that I know there's probably been a ton more. I will say that I've always heard I've never been able to find the actual episode, but I heard that Paul Harvey said that Southeast Iowa is like per capita the murder capital of of the world of the United States.
00:46:30
Speaker
Wow. And, and there, if you actually go on and look at like, you know, when they talk about worse places in Iowa to live, they talk about this area specifically because of the crime and the unsolved murders and stuff like that.
00:46:49
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oh And so, but before I get into mine, is there any of them that you can think of that you would like to talk about?
YouTube Channel and Trial Watching
00:46:56
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Yeah, for sure. So I have a YouTube channel And opened that YouTube channel to randomly discuss my rantings about trials.
00:47:08
Speaker
And I also am really into watching police and interrogation videos and body cam. i mean hey that's how i kind of keep my uh uh true crime stuff going is i'll be sitting at work and i'll have like a trial you know like the court cases going on and i love judge simpson out of out of michigan oh and judge fleischer out of texas i love listening to those guys because they seem to actually be caring judges yeah
00:47:40
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yeah so i love it I love that on YouTube. You can like subscribe to judges, not local, but judges channels if they have them. And it's just great.
00:47:53
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But I'm not like a full-time YouTuber. I'm not even a part-time YouTuber. I just go on when I feel like it. hobbies That's what we call them, hobbies. hobbies Yeah, exactly.
00:48:02
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pleases like Because people are like, oh, you could have so many followers. And it's like, you know what? If it was that easy, I would have it by now with as much work as me and Mike have put into it. Well, i love I love my audience. I love interacting with them. But like if I need to take like six months to a year off, I'm going to do it.
00:48:20
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I'm not going to be like, oh, I got to create content. yeah Okay, so there's a lawyer in Chicago. He's kind of funny. you Are you familiar with the term? Oh, is that Mike's Laws?
00:48:31
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Yes. Yeah, I've seen some of his stuff. He's fun. Okay, so local trial. So my channel the reason I brought up my channel is because I am going to soon be replaying the preliminary hearing for a case right here where I live.
Ongoing and Notable Cases
00:48:51
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And it's California versus Larry Milete or Milete, but it's Milete technically. It's M-I-L-E-T-T-E.
00:49:04
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Oh God. So every, that's a cool part about watching all these trials because you learn the different state laws, that all the different jurisdictions. It's kind of interesting. So in California, what they do is before they have, before they admit,
00:49:20
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a case to trial. Every state's a little bit different, but California brings it to the next level. They basically have a mini trial. Yeah.
00:49:29
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And so when when we say preliminary hearing in California, it's not just okay to judge saying, do you have all your evidence? you have all your witnesses? What are your witnesses gonna be? you know Any argument about that?
00:49:42
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This is like a mini trial, so it can go on for days if it's a big case. So this is Larry Valette. okay. okay So the reason I took interest in this case because of my past that I told you about when I was a kid, when this guy tried to get me any And he got the other gal, he little girl, she was only seven.
00:50:05
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She was missing for a couple of days, right? And so when she was missing, the whole city was like involved in a search, right?
00:50:14
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So like a thousand people back in the day. Of course, I was too little to participate, but I knew it was going on. Yeah, yeah. i was worried. I was worried because I had a feeling it was the guy. i was like, what is it?
00:50:26
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And... Cause there aren't that many people out there who would do something like that. I mean, my mother, the reason I'm yelling is my mom's like, oh, it's not the same one. You know she's like trying to make me feel better, but it's like, this isn't making feel better. Anyway, it was the same guy.
00:50:41
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So there's this big search party. So anytime in the sad, sad and not rare enough occasion where there's a crime and you hear there's a search party looking for a young lady usually,
00:50:57
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it gets my attention. It brings all those things back. yeah So it gets my attention more than almost any other thing. And so a few years ago, there was such a thing and they were looking for this mom her thirties of two, I believe she has two children, Maya Milete, and they still haven't found her.
00:51:19
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And they had search parties and it was kind of on the news. It was sort of like in there, but don't even know, I mean, I was watching trials by then, but I wasn't again, the local news scares me.
00:51:31
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So this is the first time. Yeah. This is the first time I'm really going to pay it attention to something local and I'm actually going to attend the trial. Yeah. actually can you attend But so on my channel, I'm going to replay the preliminary hearing, which lays out the entire case.
00:51:47
Speaker
and all the people that are involved, and how the victims, the survivors, the peopleless suspects, the whatnot. It's just, but what you found what I have found watching cases, watching trials, is it's like you, that's why I don't bother with Netflix or television, because it's more entertaining. It's more interesting.
00:52:06
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Like you wouldn't believe these characters that come up. yeah And like the the one I was telling you about, the professor in Florida, that the law professor, there were, his ex-wife, his ex-wife's brother, his ex-wife's mother, and three murderers that they hired.
00:52:27
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So each trial, right, is a different time. Now the ex-wife hasn't been even arrested yet, but she's been named as a co-conspirator. It was all about her. That's what the show that I was just doing before this show was all about.
00:52:43
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But, you get to know all these witnesses, like the girlfriends of the drug, like the girlfriends of the murder, you know, it's just like, and they come and they've got their little outfits and they have their little ways about them and you just really get to know them well. It's the same thing with this preliminary hearing that I'm to start rolling soon, which is the case against Larry Malete, which has been,
00:53:06
Speaker
postponed like multiple times. One of the reasons the preliminary hearing is so good and not just to get familiar with the case because I think it needs more attention but because the the lawyer of Larry Milete who is no longer on the case is just like you just Like you have to see it to believe it, how bad she is.
00:53:35
Speaker
I'm sure she's good at some things, but she isn't a criminal lawyer. And that's amazing when you hear
Lawyer Speech Habits
00:53:42
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that stuff. Like I said, I'll have like Judge Simpson's court on or Fleischer's court on.
00:53:47
Speaker
And the one thing that I always, it always boggles my mind o is when I was in college, we had to take speech courses. you know it was mandated and all that stuff yeah well the first thing that t they teach you in in speech is don't you uh uh uh and don't stammer like that and you'll sit there and watch these courts and you'll listen to the the lawyers and it's just like a constant um it's like wow you go to school for eight years and you can't you know come up with a
00:54:23
Speaker
thought in a speech that doesn't have the these and somebody yelled at me one time when I posted that in a in a uh uh whatchamacallit the the comments at the bottom of the video well in one of my higher speech classes that's the way when you're thinking of something you take a breath You take a pause.
00:54:48
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man You, but you know, when you sit there and you, way through stuff and I'm bad at it I try to do my best. through it but we all do it. Sure.
00:54:59
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but I'm also not getting paid $300 an hour.
00:55:05
Speaker
and you know, my ah client's life isn't hanging in the balance and, and stuff like that. So I can get away with it. But when you're constantly doing that, it just, it doesn't sound.
00:55:19
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oh it bothers me a lot. It bothers me a lot. I did a video where I was actually reading, I prepared everything. But I've been really tired lately. i've I'm on antibiotics and whatnot.
00:55:30
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That's my excuse. And i I played it back and I'm like, oh my God, I was just like, uh, uh. And I'm like, I'm reading. How could I have done that? And I wrote in the comments, I'm so sorry, everyone, about all the ums and the ahs.
00:55:43
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Because I'm pretty good at not doing that usually. And I had some really nice comments. it was so great. You did a great job. i was like, Oh, but still i am very critical of that.
00:55:56
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yeah But this wasn't her. No, this woman, you just, I'll send you some clips. Like I'll send you some clips. It was so bad. I mean, the judge was like, ma'am, like you just, I'm not going to give it away, but it's was it Amber Heard Johnny Depp level bad with that, with the Amber Heard.
00:56:16
Speaker
first no no No, no, no, no, no. You don't understand. This woman didn't belong in a courtroom. And she's there. Like, this is probably one of the biggest trials in this $4 million, that 4 million, 4 million population city that I live in. So it's not small group.
00:56:35
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And she, yeah, she was totally unqualified. Bless her heart. Bless her heart. She just didn't know what she was doing. it's kind of funny because, I mean, yeah, like who am I to criticize, right? She's the lawyer, but Right. Trials and you see really good lawyers. and You're like, oh, no, no. And when the judge is telling you, ma'am, this is a preliminary hearing. We don't do this.
00:57:02
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And I'm thinking that's like, okay, so yeah. Anyway, um um it's a good, it's going to be a really, i'm quite this guy. Okay. So this Larry Maletti, the husband took his wife's wife and hit her somewhere. Okay.
00:57:21
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body hasn't been found. Prior to doing this, like the stories, you can't make this stuff up. He hired a, like fortune tellers, and then he hired like people to put spells on her.
00:57:40
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They're going to be, they're going to be, I mean, it's just crazy stuff. And then they finally arrest a guy Well, the neighbors have video of him burning like this huge bonfire in the yard, like massive.
00:58:00
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And of course he wasn't arrested then, but they have it on video. Then him pulling up, backing up to the garage, pulling like a big, body sized thing and putting it into the car.
00:58:15
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It's all on video. Yeah. Right. And then he, what else did he do? And it's just so sad. mean, I, I'm kind of making fun of it, but cause I hate to be like that because I really feel for his, like her family. I was just, before we happened to get on, I was talking about something on Reddit where, um, where,
00:58:37
Speaker
They said the the question was, what podcast did you stop listening to and and why? And I said, one of them was Crime Junkie. And I said, the reason why I stopped listening to it was because it was, it seemed so scripted.
00:58:54
Speaker
there yeah There was no like real back and forth between the two of them. It was like a script and they were just reading from the script to the point that even the the shock value wasn't shocking because you could tell she was just reading the the shock value off the script. and And somebody came back, well, I stopped listening to it because they would insert personal stories and they were trying to you know put jokes in there. it's like But that's why I like listening to some podcasts because if you're doing nothing but throwing this stuff out there, all it is is going to make you depressed.
00:59:32
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They're trying to tell a story while also keeping you engaged. True. And you know, you know, it just as well as I do from podcasts, you can have a script, but you don't want to go by the script. You want to have the interaction between you and your your podcast partner.
00:59:49
Speaker
And you can have these these notes to go off of, but what makes the podcast is the back and forth between the the two people. So if that means, you know, like the stories that I'll get into here in a couple minutes, I have kind of personal connections with the two things that happened here and in in the town that I live in.
01:00:07
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And so, of course, I'm going to insert, you know, said stories in there because, you know, that happens well so i i that would happen on and it wasn't like a big argument or anything it was just a back and forth on on why we don't listen to something it's like okay but i would rather have them like i said one of the podcasts that i've listened to since day one was and that's why we drink with m schultz and and christine schaefer chiefer and
01:00:39
Speaker
That's what they do for the most part is just make jokes and back and forth. But they're good about not making light of the the stuff that's happening. It's more the banter back and forth to not make it so depressing while they're... Because if you're hearing it and you're feeling depressed,
01:00:59
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Think about what's going on in the person who's telling you the story because they had to do the research on it. They had to get into the details on everything. So they're trying to make keep themselves sane while also keeping you sane while listening to the story. Right. It's not that easy. I just did a review ah ah about that the last thing I'm going to mention is that ah trial in Kentucky that I was really invested in for a few years.
01:01:25
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And this was another, you know, guy who made his girlfriend, mom of his child go missing.
Challenges of Covering Non-Live-Streamed Trials
01:01:35
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And she's never been found, it was 10 years ago.
01:01:38
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And they decided not to live stream that trial. So I had to like gather all the information from newscasts, because it's a tiny little town where was one lawyer that I know of that went, but her coverage was, it was good, but it was, she has a really different way of of reporting out. And so I had to look at all the local newscasts who were there and listen to those journalists and then yeah take all their notes and put together my own document. And I was like, oh my God, it was really an investment. And so this is the um thing where I put the document together and I'm like, okay, well, so here's the, cause people, the few people who follow me know that I'm really into this trial and they watched all of my preliminary stuff about it for years.
01:02:25
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And it's like, I can't not cover the trial. But I kind of can't cover the trial because it wasn't live stream. So I'm going to do my best to put together summary of this two week trial for you guys.
01:02:37
Speaker
It was so depressing. It was I'm in awe. I don't care. i got it out there. But I know what you're saying. And then but some people. So I have to do better at that. It's like, you know, there's gallows here, but you can't offend people.
01:02:51
Speaker
You don't want to be so. eat It's really a tough. You don't want to joke. ah ah Another pod that I listen to occasionally, mainly just to see if they ever do these small towns or near me is that small town murder.
Incorporating Humor in True Crime Podcasts
01:03:05
Speaker
And they flat out say, we're going to we're comedians. That's what our day job is. Yeah. So we're going to make jokes and all that, but we're not going to make jokes about the families or the the deceased or the missing or anything like that.
01:03:20
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But we're going to rip apart law enforcement or we're going to rip apart, you know, the person who committed the crime yeah and stuff like that. But we're not going to do that about the, you know, the the decedent and and the families that are suffering and all that.
01:03:36
Speaker
And the thing that they say that um um Oh, I just, it just fell out of my head. We're, we're assholes. We're not, oh God, I can't think it because, but I think of it at the same thing.
01:03:52
Speaker
I'm an asshole, but I'm not a, you know, I'm not mean spirited asshole. but You know, I, I have asshole tendencies to me, but because I do the same thing, I will joke with y'all.
01:04:05
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I mean, you've seen it in like the, the, your, your guys's pod, uh, in the chat and stuff like that you know i'm gonna rip on somebody jimmy christensen great guy and everything but that's just the back and forth that we have matt ramage me and him have back and forth too a little bit but it's joking it's not taking anything serious and that's how you got to do it is you can rip on stuff but you got to be tactful you can't just go out like like we were saying earlier about the one trial that i almost ended up on
01:04:39
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where they were talking ah ah so badly about the person that it happened to. yeah. And you can't do that. No, you can't do that. That's not right.
01:04:50
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Because if it was the other way around, and it was a person in your family, you would be having a fit if they were talking about it like that. Oh, you're getting rumbled over. I know. I've got my windows open right next to me We're gonna have true crime just on the the last part of this episode. It was um It was um it was a Harley or something.
01:05:15
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But I'll go ahead and tell my two little stories because I don't have a lot of information on them because they happen.
Local Murder Cases
01:05:21
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The one happened while I was in high school. And like I said, I heard all the scuttlebutt about it, but i never really did the research into it to fully do it. And then the other one I have a little bit more knowledge about, but not a ton.
01:05:34
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So the first one happened probably 2000. thousand two 2001, And there was a gentleman named Larry Pippinger, who was a paraplegic. He was in a wheelchair.
01:05:49
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And he was living in a house with another gentleman, Chris Himm. And, you know, not to speak well. Just say All of them. They were meth heads. Well, I was going to not ill will of the one guy, but he was not a great guy. The guy that died was not a great guy. He was not a great guy.
01:06:08
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yeah But that doesn't mean he deserved what happened to him. So, you know, I'm not trying to be like I was like I was just saying, I'm not trying to speak bad about him because it shouldn't happen. But I know who he was and I know the stories about him and he was not an angel by any means. okay But the story was, so what they found out was, or this is how it happened.
01:06:34
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There was a house in town that was on fire. At the same time as there was a house on fire in town, there was a car burning out in the country a couple of miles outside of town. They put out both fires, they were both inflamed and everything else.
01:06:48
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When they got into the car and the trunk was a suitcase. and inside the suitcase was a dismembered body. Oh my God. Okay. Yeah. I don't want to get too gruesome with it because I know you said all that stuff.
01:07:01
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and Well, it ended up being this Larry Pippinger, but when they went into the house, they found where he was killed and where all that stuff happened. and that will zone too Yeah. the The house was on fire and all that stuff.
01:07:14
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Okay. They pinned it all on Chris him. And he's the one that went to trial for it. He's the one that's sitting in prison for it. But the scuttlebutt is because of the drug habits of both of them.
01:07:34
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They got into it a little bit too deep. And there's a big reason a lot of people think that is because i do you know who Tom Arnold is?
01:07:45
Speaker
The comedian slash actor. Yeah. Who was married to Roseanne. Yes. He's from a tumble, which is only like 20 minutes away from me. you have a child Okay. Go ahead.
01:07:56
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Yeah. so his sister, they made a documentary about about a couple years ago called the meth queen and that's his sister. Okay. And she was the meth queen and she had reach.
01:08:11
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Okay. They're the scuttlebutt was that they got a little in too deep and he owed the wrong people money and that's what happened and they just pinned it on oh him because him happened to be living in the same house doing the same stuff as larry pippenger was doing so that's the whole scuttlebutt behind it that's intriguing that's a mystery It is now the main reason they think that he got in a little bit overhead. And I know I said I wasn't going to get too graphic, but if you've ever known anybody who's been on meth, it's hard to believe that they would do some of the things that happened to the body. Okay.
01:09:01
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while, because they said he got messed up, killed the guy dismembered him, threw him in the car. if you've ever known anybody, they get manic, but they don't get to the point where they're going to go nutsoid like that. that kind of string yeah right They get into having a lot of energy okay and stuff like that, but they don't go psychotic necessarily.
01:09:29
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but Supposedly when they found the body, the genitals had been removed and put into the mouth. Oh my God. So that's very personal. It's very personal. Yeah. That's like, okay. That's sending a message.
01:09:44
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Exactly. So that's why a lot of people, claim that it was a lot deeper than what they said. So is he going to get a retrial?
01:09:56
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Or are they? He's as far as I know, he's still sitting in prison. they They found him guilty. He's in prison and it they just let it lie that it was him. once you're found guilty did he have a trial found guilty yes yeah yeah they went through a long trial and and he was found guilty and and of course he had no money beings that he was so he was going through the public defenders and all that and and not to say that they're bad lawyers but you know yeah it's not ellen jackson it's not ellen jackson from la or it's not johnny cochran or you know ben shapiro or something like that
01:10:33
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yeah Well, the reason I have a little bit of connection other than it being in the same town and the town that I live in is only like 900 people. The guy who was murdered's daughter used to be my babysitter when I was a kid.
01:10:48
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Oh, wow. And my mom lived next door to the gentleman's ex-wife and daughter for years. So they lived next each other.
01:10:59
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And I actually worked a little bit at a limpy sub shop with the ex-wife for a couple of years. So I knew the family. Yeah.
01:11:10
Speaker
Yeah. yeah Well, the other one's even closer to home. But wait a minute. moms Okay, before you go. So on this one, has the Innocence Project looked at it or anything like that? I really don't. It's been so long since anything.
01:11:25
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i just know. There's so many people in prison that maybe shouldn't be. I mean, it's not like I said, most of them should be, but there's some. Right. and And most everything that I heard was a bug.
01:11:39
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I don't know what was said during trials. I would have to go through the trial transcripts because at that time I don't think they really did any videoing in. Yeah. I had to go back when I was a kid, cause that was a million years ago and find and find,
01:11:56
Speaker
bits and pieces, microfiche. I was like a detective. I'm a genealogist. I've dealt with a lot of those. Okay. Oh my God. It it took me forever. And then, was it last year? The family of Rosie, who was not, didn't survive.
01:12:14
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They sent me the whole trial. I haven't looked at it yet. that That's quite the... i think I think it's all audio. I'm not sure.
01:12:25
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This trial, the guy who tried to get me was moved out of our... It was moved to Madison, Wisconsin. and okay His lawyer and he, there were death threats. There were thousands of people from my city who were out in the courthouse.
01:12:41
Speaker
They had to wear body armor. Back then, that was in the 70s. No, I can believe it. There was, yeah, there's a case here in the, uh, I live in the middle of this. So it was 20 minutes to the west and then for fields, 20 minutes to the east.
01:13:02
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And a couple of years ago, two kids murdered their teacher and actually got national yeah news there for a bit because of what happened. And whenever they go to court, they're always in, in bulletproof mess and stuff like that.
01:13:16
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Yeah. yeah i'm telling you if you would actually do research for this area this area is full of that stuff per capita and ah ah about two hours north is marshall town and that's where that young girl was kidnapped and murdered by and that drew a lot of national news because the guy that perpetrated it was here He it wasn't quite illegal, but he had outstayed. Well, yeah, it was illegal. He had outstayed his visa or whatever. And she was a college student.
01:13:48
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And and I can't think of what her name is off the top my head. But that happened. But so yeah, if you go through, just look in the southeast aisle, you'll find all kinds of cases.
01:14:02
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And it's crazy because it's more understandable in like bigger cities because there's more people there. But because we're in, you know, the biggest city around me is Atumwan. That's like 26,000.
01:14:14
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So when I go to Green Bay every year, that's a big city to me. You know, the 126,000, you know, that's a big city to Right. So, but then, so yeah, with this case, I don't know anything other than what I heard rumors and all that stuff for years. Right. I just know that the guy's sitting in prison and, you know, yeah, the the rumor is he just took a fall for,
01:14:43
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Right. You know, and whoever was sending a message, maybe he was afraid to, he would be next. Right. Right. If he got off, he would be dead anyway. So yeah. yeah Yeah.
01:14:54
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Wow. Right. And then the other case that I know of and has a personal touch to it or personal knowledge too, is, this happened 20 in twenty
01:15:11
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Oh, what was it? Mid 2010s.
01:15:16
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So probably 2015 or so. There was a guy in town that named Darryl Teeter. And now I can tell you the rumors behind that one too. that He had a medical issue that he would get pretty strong painkillers and we turn around and and sell those painkillers.
01:15:41
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Okay. Now that was, that's rumor again. i don't know. i you know, that part of it, I don't know. It's rumor.
01:15:50
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Well, one, the next morning or and one morning they found them dead and he had been shot in the back of the head and they found the kid and He pretty much confessed to it and all that stuff and you know all that.
01:16:10
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But, oh which one? I know. And the reason why it's personal is I know the family because my dad and his dad worked construction together.
01:16:21
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And then I worked at a couple of gas stations and his dad used to, and one of them here is, or one of them was here in town and his dad and his mom were in all the time. And I've known the dad since I was like knee high.
01:16:33
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So, then I used to and his older brother was a year ahead of me and his sister was a year below me in school. And I had kind of hung in the same group as this kid a little bit.
01:16:48
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So the kid who shot or the kid who was killed? The kid who shot. No, the guy that died was was an old gentleman. Yeah. pro He was retired age. I know that for sure.
01:16:58
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um um And he just he went in and they they don't quite know exactly what went down. They don't know if the kid was just trying to get more and this teeter didn't want to give it to him.
01:17:13
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for what was going on but he killed him took the the painkillers and and ran. And ah ah so, but yeah, that but what pissed me off about that trial is the kid got on in the stand and he flat out said and i know the dad and this i can see his dad doing this because his dad is that type of person that you know you he's protective right and the kid goes yeah my dad
01:17:52
Speaker
pulled 60 000 out of his out of his safe and handed it to me and told me to run but i just couldn't do that and it's like you literally just told him your dad under the bed was trying to evade police was like really your dad did this and you're gonna throw him under the friggin bus so yeah that one was guilty he Yeah, he was found guilty. and And the sad part about it is is he's a bit younger, so he's going to be in there for a long time.
01:18:28
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Sure. Because i think at the time I was mid-20s, and he was probably four years younger than I am. So he'd been about 21, 22 when it happened. So, you know, you figure minimum 25 to life without parole, right?
01:18:49
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he's going to be in there for a while. Wow. That's crazy. And he did it because of just wanting pain medicine. Drugs. He was addicted and they were supposedly it was like morphine style pain pills.
01:19:05
Speaker
So it is so weird how some people can get addicted to drugs and some people can't don't. Yeah. but and Why was this guy selling his doctor prescribed drugs? I don't get that. really make That makes me mad because that messes it up for people. like There are cancer patients who can't get medication because of shit like this. No, like I said, that part of it, I don't know. That's rumor.
01:19:31
Speaker
yeah could be completely wrong that the kid just knew he had it. So he went in and stole it was going to steal it and got caught. but that was yeah the rumor had been that he was he was selling some of them so but when you can get you know 100 for per pill and you're on a pension or not a pension but you're on like social security and that yeah you're gonna do what you can do because you got to remember you're in the high dollar area i'm in the i'm in the boot hills
01:20:05
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yeah You gotta do what you can do to make money. but yeah, I mean, there's been other cases that kind of have personal touch. Like there was a kid, my brother was friends with and went to school with that, uh,
01:20:18
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it was actually technically a school shooting because they were in driver's ed class and the kid this one kid had the girlfriend of this one kid had broken up with them but the kid didn't accept that they were broken up well this friend of my brother's was you know kind of flirting and hitting on the girl that was presumed to be single and the other kid didn't like it and told him well i'm gonna you know i'm gonna kill you and you know they just kind of whatever and the next day the kid brought in his stepdad's service revolve of service gun and made him get on his knees and pop my gosh and a lot of people are pissed off because they just released him five or six years ago really yeah that's not that's not good because to make somebody get on their knees like that
01:21:12
Speaker
That's kind of, and they were 16. Now my brother's 10 years older than I am. So he would have been 16 the time. I've been about six. So now I just turned 39. So this kid would have been 49 when he got, or in his forties when he got released. So he'd been in prison since he was 16, but he still got released. Hmm.
01:21:36
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And that was, there was no doubts about it. There were witnesses, there was proof, yeah there was everything else. And I guess because he was 16, like your brain's not developed in there and all that.
01:21:47
Speaker
I know, but the other kid was 16 too, and he'll never be coming back. I'm just wondering why. Was he tried as an adult or is it a kid? That one, i hit that I will be honest, I can't tell you that one because, like i said, I was only about six when that would have that one happened. i would I would have to go through.
01:22:06
Speaker
i just remember because my brother was living out of state at the time, he actually came back for the funeral. and then That so sad. They're just little twerps.
01:22:17
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Like, what the hell? And then the graveyard that the kid's buried in, we have relatives that are buried near where he's at. So I see the stone every time we go out for like Memorial Day and all that stuff. So that's why it stays in my mind so often is is because of that.
01:22:34
Speaker
the So you know I know I'm and i'm ending it on such a downer, but you know, that's really sad but that that's that's true crime for you.
01:22:47
Speaker
You know, yeah yeah like like local stuff. I'm most of the things that I probably do this. That's all I got. Yeah, right. Right. I can't tell you I went out and did anything. That's self-incrimination. Yeah.
01:23:01
Speaker
The things that I watch are like, except for this one coming up, which is going to be closer
Small-Town Crime Dynamics
01:23:06
Speaker
to home. But I'm But you like you said, you're also living in an area like 4 million people. I live in area of like 900 people. So, you know, there you can't.
01:23:19
Speaker
That's why I never did anything when I was a kid, because 90% of the people in town knew who I was and knew who my parents were. So if I got in trouble, I was going to get back to um Right.
Understanding the Judicial Process
01:23:29
Speaker
eight So, well, hey, yeah, so we probably should put a bow on it because I think we're both kind of getting tired.
01:23:38
Speaker
well is there any final things you want to put on this true crime episode i would just like to encourage people to watch actual trials and because a lot of the things you see on netflix or whatever they're very they're broken down into tiny little pieces you're not getting the whole story of a lot of times you're getting very much slanted like you say, but also just you're just getting such a tiny bit. And if you sit down and invest in one trial, just pick a trial.
01:24:11
Speaker
You don't have to become like me where you're like, I have a trial going on all the time. Although I do take breaks for months where I just like, oh, I can't. But and they're not always violent crimes like there's financial crimes and and other things that are interesting and educational but i think bottom line is by watching trials you're getting to know your government better yeah and you're getting to know the processes better because you may find yourself
01:24:41
Speaker
a victim or a friend of or especially in the climate we're in now. That's right. So it doesn't hurt to have that knowledge. and And, you know, you might also find some of it very entertaining.
01:24:55
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And you also know that if you get in trouble, you call Dawn
Community Updates and Personal Stories
01:24:57
Speaker
because Dawn has been through enough, has seen enough of these trials that she can help you out a little bit. I can walk you through it. um You can help me. I talk about, I i post in my community tab, you know, once in a while, even though I'm not always doing videos. So I'm like, hey, this is going on. Take a look at this trial and I'll direct people to other channels and that kind of thing too. I know I get the notifications all the time. don't always check them, but I get the notifications.
01:25:29
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i'll be like all right what's don doing now
01:25:35
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sometimes i'll put pictures of todd oh i didn't tell you okay i gotta go really quick okay we'll just end this on a funnier note it's not really that funny but okay cat cat story so a few days ago okay so i have a new habit i live in an apartment building now so there's like My front door is really my back door, but anyway, it's there.
01:25:59
Speaker
and there's like a big huge common area, right? yeah yeah but Like there's an elevator and, but there's just a lot of space and I have plants out there and some that. And last couple of weeks I got Tasha collar yeah with a little bell and it's got like an apple tracker in case she runs away.
01:26:19
Speaker
it's kind of open. Like a bird can come in once in a while. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. like Oh, she might chase a bird. So I'm going to put the apple tracker on case I have to go find her. And, Okay, so I'm out there and I'm working on this huge arrangement because I'm an artist, I'm creative, I'm always doing creative things. So it's like this immense project.
01:26:40
Speaker
And was working on it for hours and she was out there and I could see her. But anytime somebody else come out at their door, she'll run inside the apartment. And I had her cropped open just like other people. So I thought she was in the apartment. And once in a while, like checking on her and I looked on the apple tracker and I could tell she was right there.
01:26:59
Speaker
Well, she had, and I'm on the third floor, so we have sta we have an elevator, but we also have a staircase. It's like boom, boom, boom, boom. It's like, what do you call it? It's not straight down. It goes and- It's staggered. Yeah.
01:27:14
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yeah So next to the stairs, there's a railing and then there's just a little tiny ledge. And then in between all of that, there's like a three and a half, four inch space.
01:27:25
Speaker
So she could literally, you could drop something down three stories. Well, guess who dropped down? God. God! And she was there for like an hour and my neighbor found her. She was hanging on for dear life on the second floor in the middle of the, between the staircase and the railing where she found a little one inch ledge for each foot.
01:27:51
Speaker
And I had to go, my neighbor's like, hey Don, there's this cat. She didn't know it was my cat. There's this kitty. And I was just kind of finishing up. And I had come in the apartment a couple times and called her. And I even i put YouTube on and I play cats meowing because she'll come running.
01:28:07
Speaker
But she didn't. And I did. In hindsight, I did hear a scream, but I didn't think it was her. Well, now she's really going to be pissed off. She's really got a gun for you because you ignored her. Oh my God. She was like, and she was all contorted. Like I thought her arm was broken.
01:28:27
Speaker
it took me at least 10 minutes to get her out of there. And I got her out of there and she's like hugging me and just like hanging on to me. And so she hasn't gone out there or left me like she's napping now, but she hasn't let me out of her side.
01:28:41
Speaker
my cat mikes to My cat likes to think he wants go outside, but if he ever steps outside, he runs and hides underneath our our deck. And he did that one time where i might want him out there it's not safe yeah my dad actually thought he had let him loose one time by accident. He had just run out.
01:29:02
Speaker
So I spent like a good hour before work trying to find this cat. And next thing I know, I just see this head pop up from underneath the deck. And I went over and I had to grab him and he had cobwebs and everything else. him because he had just hid under the deck because he was like, I don't know what to do. Right. there so I mean, Tosh, she was a wild cat. She was from a feral cat family. And when she was like six weeks old, not even old enough to be separated from the mother, somebody, this was way out in the mountains, not here, found her in like in the mouth of a dog
01:29:36
Speaker
oh really yes and so she had been bitten her leg and whatnot and she's like and they saved her and so she had to be like you know bottle fed and that's what mine was medical treatment and so these feral cats but I knew she would do something like this again because she just has no sense.
01:29:59
Speaker
She has no sense. Like how did that even happen? I still can't figure it out. I've looked at it a few times, I've taken pictures. I'm like, I don't know how she did that, but thankfully,
01:30:12
Speaker
I mean, would have probably gone for hours thinking she was napping because the little apple tracker showed her like right there. She was just straight down. yeah Well, I got to give her credit. At least she wears the collar. My mom had a cat that if we tried to put a collar on her, she somehow would slip out of it.
01:30:28
Speaker
I'm surprised she hasn't. She does not like the collar. It's taken weeks and weeks and weeks for me to get her to wear it. And she's getting much better about it. She lets me put it on because I scratch her really good when she gets it on.
01:30:42
Speaker
And so she's like, yay. The harness is another story. When I put the harness on her, she goes limp. She plays dead. My cat does the same thing. You put a harness on it and he just falls over. Yeah. So I take advantage and i that's when I like cut her nails and do shit to her that she doesn't want me to do. I just put the harness on her and she's dead. Mine will fall over like he's dead and just start meowing like he's dying.
Conclusion and Promotions
01:31:07
Speaker
but we could have another podcast just on stupid stuff where animals do so but anyway don thank you so much for joining us uh like i said earlier you guys can find her and matt pickett on hey we like your pod they're great i've enjoyed all their stuff i you will catch me occasionally in their in their chats and and stuff like that being the little asshole that i am but you know thank you for joining me hopefully we can get you and matt on during the season sometime and get mike here too and we'll we'll have a little powwow again like like we did before but yeah find us anywhere you find your your podcast find them on youtube all the socials find us there like subscribe all that good stuff and as mike would say pack go and aloha