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The Soundtrack of a Packers Fan
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Aloha and welcome to another episode of OPE. On this installment of Off Season Off Topic, Iowa joe is joined by Dusty Evely to talk everything Music! From the early years of listening to what is on our current playlists!
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Introduction and Breaking Rumors
00:00:01
Speaker
Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to another episode of OAP. I am Iowa with Joe. We are continuing my off-season, off-topic episodes this week. i've I figured I would crush some of those rumors that we didn't get along and actually bring on this guy where it's just me and you know, where we constantly we just hate each other and all that.
00:00:22
Speaker
So I decided to bring Dusty Evely on to kind of quash those rumors and have a conversation about music. Dusty, we were kind of catching up a little bit before the show on nobody's sick this time. Nobody's, you know, we're we're not dealing with any trash buckets and stuff like that at hand. And so but Thankfully, everyone is ah ah everyone might not be asleep at the moment, but yeah, there's no no no flu outbreaks or whatever was happening the last time. So thankfully, we're we're good on that front, brother. I'm i'm i'm excited talk.
00:00:54
Speaker
I was going to say talk ball because that's my go-to.
Anticipation for Football Season
00:00:56
Speaker
I'm excited to talk to music, man. I love talking music. You know, I said this the other day on Blue Sky when Maggie Loney had posted something that she, you know, they just had their other kid recently.
00:01:11
Speaker
And, you know, she hadn't, she'd been taking care of the kids and all that and not really worrying about football. And she felt good. And I said, I'm the same way with these offseason, off topic things. I haven't really thought about football in a while. And now that it's kind of creeping up on us, I'm, you know, I can feel renewed about it, constantly.
00:01:31
Speaker
So, you know, I suppose, you know, we should be obligated to throw this out there. How are you feeling about things coming up pretty soon? Are you are you excited or is it, are you kind of tempered at the moment?
00:01:45
Speaker
Yeah, no, I'm excited. I mean, i am. It's, you know, with with what I do off season is always little weird in terms of like trying to find stuff to write about, right? Like it's, it's tough because it's, you know, how, how many times can you revisit the same place? And I'm trying to like look forward, but we're still, you know, you got the draft class and all that. Like I love kind of looking forward to that stuff, but I get to a point where like, I love the thought experiment stuff of this stuff, but I love, I love more like I'm ready for this to be done being theoretical. Like I want to watch football again. So, i'm'm I'm excited about it. think it's going to be a fun season. think it's going good season. I'm really excited about this team overall. But like, yeah, it hits a point.
00:02:22
Speaker
ah ah used to take like a month off from writing after the Super Bowl. And I just, I don't do that anymore. And so I just, I i get to point where I'm just going to burn out. So right now, I'm just going to burn out. I don't want to look for a topic every week. I want football to start. So those topics that I already know,
00:02:37
Speaker
I can just do because I've got that system down. yeah i'm i'm I'm excited, man. I think it's going to be a fun season. where Where are you sitting with this season?
Draft Day Experiences
00:02:45
Speaker
You know, like I said, I really haven't thought about football until, you know, seeing the camps just around the corner. And and I think what in a couple of days, the rookies report and all that stuff.
00:02:56
Speaker
I'm jacked for it right now because I'll be going up again in August. So I'm hoping to. I think I've figured out now that they've released the schedule dates that I'll be up there for one open practice and then one of the joint practices or the lone joint practice. yeah um So I'm ready for it. You know, I thought maybe I would be like burnout just from being up there from the draft because that was a lot of people to be up there around. A lot of people up be up there.
00:03:27
Speaker
Well, and like everybody always says, well, how many people were there? And it's like 200,000. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But then people don't realize I've lived in a town of 900 people all my life.
00:03:39
Speaker
Well, it's also like you're used to going, I mean, I'm, I live in a town with 6,000 people, so bigger than yours, but I've been here for, been this area for like 30 some odd years at this point. But even beyond that, just the green Bay area, yeah yeah i I've been to enough games. You've been to enough games. Like, you know, that area you go to practices, I've got my routine.
00:03:56
Speaker
man, but you're capping out at like 77,000. There's more people than that, like around the stadium, but whatever capacity, 77, 79,000, like we're talking three times more people than that in that area. It's like, dude, I was stressed out about parking and all kinds of stuff. Like they pulled it off really well, but yeah yeah, you're talking about like, not even just like what you're familiar with in your day to day, but just the game day experience. You're talking like three times more people than you generally see in that area. Like that's, it's a different experience or just a different experience.
00:04:26
Speaker
and i and because i've been trying to do health stuff lately i have a step tracker on my phone in just those three days i did almost 20 miles of walking it i believe it man we did one day and i felt like my legs were gonna fall off so kudos to you for doing all three but uh well i've always said that if the draft was gonna be in green bay no matter if i had to quit my job and go up i was gonna be there one way or the other and and when they announced it i had plans uh like the year that they announced that i was making plans to go up but i kept as the closer we'd get i would keep changing my room accommodations because i'd find one cheaper over here and this one's a little bit closer this one's a little bit nicer for the same price so i didn't finalize my my hotel accommodations until like the week before
00:05:18
Speaker
And I was able to get like a last minute one in Appleton. So it was, you know, it was a little bit of drive, but not horrible. And yeah we stayed in Sheboygan. I think we did the same thing. We booked like a weekend. I mean, my brother went up. We booked like a week and a half at that time.
00:05:31
Speaker
We stayed in Sheboygan. And it was just like, that's where we stay anyway. When we go for games, like it didn't matter that much. was like, what's the traffic going to be like? i It really wasn't that bad. We got up there early enough. Like it wasn't that bad. Like it really was.
00:05:41
Speaker
We had a great time. do The first night, the the first day for me was the bad part with traffic there. But the thing that pissed me off is you knew the event was going to happen.
00:05:53
Speaker
So they had construction work going on on the road. They sure did. They sure did. but It's funny that you say Sheboygan, cause I have family in Sheboygan and when my grandpa was still alive, that's where I stayed when I would go to the training camps and go to the games and that had, I wanted to drive the near hour back and forth on it. I probably could have stayed there for free, but It's like, no, I want to be a little bit closer because I don't want to be that dead.
00:06:18
Speaker
Well, and that's the thing. We only did it one day and that's an hour closer for us to get home. that's our go to. If we were up there for three days, we we would have looked for something closer, I think. But the fact we were just doing one day, we got there super early. We didn't have to worry about a second day. we just we just stayed hour out. But.
00:06:33
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firm And for more than that, we want to stay closer. You avoided me at all costs. So, you know, it just. yeah There was people like I was trying to meet up with that I was like, there was like a handful of people that were like, Hey, can I, so can, can we meet up when we're up here? Like, listen, man, we'll try, we'll try.
00:06:47
Speaker
I ran into Peter Bukowski on the street, like just at a random happenstance and we were able to hang out with him for a little bit. I met up with a couple people. There were some people that I was like, listen, man, we're going to try, we're going to try.
00:06:58
Speaker
There were so many people even like trying to figure out how to get out of like the thrall was tough, man. So yeah, it would have been cool. think there's probably there was a lot of people would have liked to seen up there. It was just it it was once we found a spot that was like, we had chairs like, okay, we're not moving. I didn't even bring a chair or anything.
00:07:16
Speaker
What I did is and I know we're supposed to be talking music, but this was so fun. And I love talking about it because it's ah ah like a once in a lifetime experience to do it. But you know where the pro shop is?
00:07:28
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Yep. Back by the leaps, the leap statue. They have this railing that runs up that you can sit on. And that's where I sat the whole time. I could see everything on the, on the, we didn't bring chairs, but we were out, outside hinterland.
00:07:40
Speaker
We happened to walk up and they had tables and chairs out there. And as we were our brother and we just, there was an empty, empty chairs. And like, we got there at noon. This was around five yeah food trucks there. And we're like, we're going sit here for a few minutes.
00:07:53
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We're going to rest our legs. Uh, we're going to like get some food. And then we're like, how about we just stay here the rest of the time? So we just stayed there the whole time. that's what i said i just sat there eventually i did go in and get a on night two i had to go get a blanket because they got so freaking chilly i had to grab a blanket and ah ah while i was in there i decided well you know i'm gonna buy one of them little seat cushions make my ass a little bit feel a little bit better but i was in the perfect spot i could see the jumbotrons i could hear everything being announced so you know i just sat there and you know i did it was so funny that once
00:08:29
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the Packers were on the clock everybody like crashed in there. Yep. But the minute the pick was called. It was like a mass exodus. Oh, it cleared out. Yeah, yeah. What's that happened? I went down a little bit closer because I had a friend and her son that was in there that got pretty damn close. They were in that walking area where they had it barricaded off. Yeah, they would walk down and all that stuff. she So she got right there on the fence.
00:08:55
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so once everybody kind of cleared out i went down and met up with her and and that and then the next day i did the same thing because that one was even funnier because after the second round pick that's when they did the mass exodus and i was like did you guys forget there's a third round we got a whole other round here man everyone was like third round pick's gonna suck we're not sticking around for it i don't know how this goes but all right dusty we could have a whole nother episode on just uh on draft experience because like i said it's once in a lifetime thing hopefully they get it back up into green bay again within our lifetime that we can go up again and do it but what we're here to do now is talk music yes there's there's a couple things dusty is known for on on social medias one is his obvious breakdown of plays and and packer content
00:09:46
Speaker
The other one is his horror movie i love. And his third thing is his love for music. And even though I don't share some of the similar things Dusty does with like remembering records and and stuff like that, I do consider myself like an eclectic when it comes to music, because if you would go through my playlist, you'd be like, how do you have this one and this one in the same
Musical Influences and Evolution
00:10:10
Speaker
playlist? Or how do you what's going on with this? group So I figured we'd bring I'd bring Dusty on and and just chat a little bit of music. So I guess the first question is and the first topic is what got you into your love of music?
00:10:27
Speaker
and And obviously, you know, you probably can say parents and that. But is there anything specific that got you into what you listen to? Yeah, I mean, it's it's certainly my dad. Number one, just he was he was a big music guy. it? I mean, he is still alive and still in the music. He is.
00:10:44
Speaker
He is a big music guy. We're growing up. I grew up in a they were fairly conservative, fairly conservative, very conservative household, I guess. So my what I was raised on because dad was big into like classic rock stuff still as big in the like classic rock stuff.
00:11:00
Speaker
but You know, Beatles, Stones, Alice Cooper. We're from the Detroit area. So like the lot of the Detroit based stuff he was into as well. But by the time i was born, I started getting into music like a lot of that stuff. He kind of called a little bit.
00:11:14
Speaker
And so it was really it was a lot of Christian stuff. So I got into I got into he never got rid of his Beatles records. So the beat I was raised on Beatles, Alice Cooper.
00:11:24
Speaker
and then like Michael W. Smith, Stephen Curtis Chapman, like all like, like CCM stuff from like, whatever, like the late eighties that that kind of era. But I mean, he, and you know, he, they he loves all kinds of music.
00:11:34
Speaker
So I kind of grew up like listening to that stuff and and branching out and getting another stuff. And know, now my dad has broken out of, you know, a lot of like the but like Christian music stuff he was into. i'm I'm still I will say I'm still into a lot. Some of those bands i like the tooth and nail stuff.
00:11:47
Speaker
and I'm still very much into i was worked in a Christian music store as music buyer for a store for a while. I'm still into some of that stuff a lot of the ccm stuff i'm away from and my dad's the same way so like we we still share like a lot of the not the same exact taste of music but i'd say my love of music i mean growing up like music was always on and so like i listened to a lot again a lot of christian stuff but then you know i grew up with i'd say probably first love was probably the beatles just because it was on all the time still love the beatles uh love billion dollar babies i was cooper billion dollar babies uh and then i mean really i don't think i got into a whole lot of other stuff until
00:12:24
Speaker
man late middle school early high school like there's lot of christian stuff and then i had a friend my one of my brother's friends was big into like rem and the pixies and smashing pumpkins and stuff and so that's what i was like oh there's a whole other world of music out of here i was not familiar with so like first love beatles and some of the like early kind of ccm christian slight alternative stuff and then once i found once i found pixies and sonic youth like it was over i was like all right man like this is this is this is who i am now this is this is now like the and then like even was being like star flyer 59 who's like ah ah like a
00:12:57
Speaker
mid nineties. They're still around like mid nineties Christian shoegaze band. And I was like, Oh man, this stuff's incredible. Like I love the shoegaze stuff. Like this is amazing. I can't believe no one's talking about starfire 59 and I still love starfire.
00:13:09
Speaker
And I was like, Oh, my bloody Valentine's doing this stuff like seven years ago. Like it's just so once, once I kind of got away from that and got another music, ah it's kind of falling in love with new stuff all over again. but That's my roundabout way saying I kind of started down a path.
00:13:22
Speaker
That's what got me my love. And then I kind of like renewed love in middle school, probably when I started finding some some other stuff I was not overly familiar with. And I mean, radio was big at that time. So yeah yeah listen, a lot of radio stuff and then just my taste of kind of evolved and grown and grown a little more insular at times over that. But I still try to keep my finger on the pulse of like new stuff. I try listen as much new stuff as possible. And for pretty of the kids that are listening radio is the thing we had before you could select which. Yeah, radio was like, ah it was like a Spotify, like pre made playlist that Spotify gives you except like you had no control over anything. That's and every now and then people would talk about it.
00:14:01
Speaker
And sometimes throughout the day, you heard the same song like five different times. So you just went with it. Man, like breakfast Breakfast at Tiffany's by Deep Blue something. I heard that song 3000 times and not a single one of them was my decision.
00:14:15
Speaker
And it's and I'm kind of the same. Well, not with the Christian music stuff, but my parents, my mom was horrible about not horrible, but I mean, it was just constant that anytime she got in a car, the radio was on.
00:14:29
Speaker
Yeah, whether it was with the cassette or hell, we had cars that still had like eight track and that in it. And so whether it was that or the radio or whatever,
00:14:40
Speaker
was playing, you know, she always had something going and it ranged. A lot of it was what, you know, oldie stuff, you know, from the sixties and that, and, and then some country and, and that, but, and then my dad was the same way when he was out in his shed or remember being little, little, and he'd have a little radio thing set up in his shed when he was out there doing stuff and he'd have stuff playing or, um or, um and then, you know,
00:15:07
Speaker
Not that I know much about it because it was all before my time and all that, but dad was actually a musician. he he was in the band high school and that. So, you know, he did marching bands and, and, drum and bugle cores and, and all that shit. So.
00:15:23
Speaker
He knew his shit from that. And, you know, obviously I in in school, I tried to. But I always said that I can I know what the notes are and I know what the finger positions are, but I can never get my fingers to work right to make it sound like it's supposed to be.
00:15:39
Speaker
That's why I'm a drummer, Joe. I couldn't do it either. That's why that's why I drum. That's the only thing I can play. um play. um Well, dad had a saxophone from when he was in high school. So that's what I started on. And then I tried to do guitar. But like I said, I just I didn't have that.
00:15:54
Speaker
dexterity to make things work out real well and i didn't get along with the band teacher that i had when i hit sixth grade because it didn't work out well with him and so it just i was done with it and i just never could get back into it playing and sports were more my thing than and then actually playing the music but i loved listening to it and like i said it was all ranged from you know girl groups from the 60s to Motown. Motown is one of my favorites. i
00:16:26
Speaker
One of my favorite artists, and this will be something we'll talk about a little bit later, is Sam Cooke. He just loves Sam Cooke. Matter of fact, i what was it, a couple months ago, I watched the the Netflix documentary they had on him.
00:16:42
Speaker
Okay. because Yeah, it was really great. and it it delved into him being a getting into the civil rights movement and then his and his questionable death yeah and and stuff like that. But ah ah one of my favorite, i if if you look through my playlist, I have like a whole thing of just Sam Cooke.
00:17:02
Speaker
But, you know, growing up, it was through that. and then, of course, when I got into school, you know, you had friends and that were listening to all the popular stuff. And then,
00:17:14
Speaker
Then when I hit about middle school and they allowed us to start weight taking weight training instead of regular gym, I started getting into the weight training stuff. Well, of course you had your metal music and shit going on in the gym while you're lifting and and and stuff like that.
00:17:29
Speaker
When I was in junior high, not junior high, and when I was in my junior year, i had hurt my knee playing football. And when I was rehab and I still going through my weight training, well, the football coach was also the teacher at the time and his favorite thing to play while the whole, while we were doing our weight training was, uh, Metallica, uh, Oh, the album with inner sand man. And, just a black album. i think it's just called Metallica. Yeah.
00:18:01
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. So that was all he played and it was on a loop. So I would get it, but then I had a brother that was 10 years older than me too. So when he was still in the house while I was growing up,
00:18:13
Speaker
he had all kinds of music. You know, he had a Michael Jackson phase. He had a Guns N' Roses phase and Bon Jovi. The one the one cassette that I can remember stealing from my brother's lot was the Young Guns 2 soundtrack. Yes, ah that blaze of glory on it.
00:18:35
Speaker
yeahp Yeah. Yeah. There we go. So I would get into that and but now it's just and like like i said before we started recording i'm not so much the okay well this album i
Transitioning to Modern Music
00:18:48
Speaker
gotta have this album it's if i hear a song i like a song it goes on my playlist if i hear a song i like a song it goes on but if i hear a song don't like it i don't uh now so like that's where i sit with things is just i grew up with a lot of different Musical things, you know, everywhere from everything from, like I said, the 60s to more and when I was a kid, more modern stuff.
00:19:14
Speaker
yeah im Now I'm finding it's getting harder to get into a lot of this more modern music. So now I'm getting the feeling of what my parents did. I still have my love for things, but it's just like, you know, i tried to listen to that Chapel Rhone.
00:19:32
Speaker
like man i just i can't i was like what is going on here am i am i am i that south park uh episode where everything just sounds like yeah no you are mean think it's the like it's that for me for like different genres like i can still get into like like modern pop stuff like i like i like i like chapelle ron mean miley cyrus i'm doing some really good like she's but i knew i'm like my miley cyrus stuff is cool for me, it's been hip hop for me.
00:20:01
Speaker
That's what I was like. I think I'm old because i used to be really into hip hop and still it's still like, you know, some of the old school stuff and like like out guys, not outcast the other day. Like i love like they're outcast stuff. Early outcast is great.
00:20:13
Speaker
And then I try to listen to I've got a friend of mine that is, you know, will text me occasionally. Hey, man, listen to this. Listen to this. It's, know, future young thug. it's it's just it's all distorted and it's like the mumble rap stuff. Travis Scott is another one where it's like this all and that's when I was like, this all sounds the same. And I'm like, when did I get to be 80 years old?
00:20:35
Speaker
there's still there's still stuff that I like. But a lot of the a lot of the and I'm sure I'm just I'm not delving the deeps. I probably should be like the cool kids are still out there and the cool kids are like quite a bit still. But like, that like the some of the modern rap stuff a lot of like and I guess it's like the popular stuff and all just it's all mumble rap.
00:20:50
Speaker
I can't. It's not that it's not that I can't understand what they're saying. um doesn't bother me too much. I got a lot of stuff I don't know where people are saying it's that like it all kind of sounds similar a certain extent and I can't that's when I was like, oh, this is the thing for me. Like modern pop, I'm cool with modern rock, I'm cool with a lot of modern hip hop. Like just, the I guess is just the current state of it.
00:21:09
Speaker
yeah I just, it's like this, this isn't, this isn't for me, but this also isn't made for me and that's okay. Right, right. Yeah. And I, and I think that's my thing with pop. I've never really been big in pop,
00:21:22
Speaker
You know, I think I've gotten more into the pop that when we were kids, now that I'm adult, just from the nostalgia factor and and the music factor. But a lot of the newer stuff, I just, I have a hard time with because, and I know this is going to make me sound really old and I'm not super old. Listen, you heard what I just said. We are, I'm way older than you are just based on the way this is going. So you say what you need to say, Joe.
00:21:48
Speaker
But it seems like they're more direct in what they're talking about in the music anymore. Whereas back then it was more like innuendos and stuff like that, where I tried to listen, like I said, that chapel row I tried to listen to that hot to go And she started saying all this shit. And I'm like, who's the letting their kid listen to this shit, man. You sound i thought do you sound so old.
00:22:15
Speaker
You know, fucking when you would go back and listen to like, you know, the Britney Spears and the Christina Aguilera, they were talking the same thing, but they were using innuendos more than they were just being. well I saw Christina Aguilera music videos, man. Nothing subtle about Christina Aguilera. Like, come on now.
00:22:33
Speaker
Now the music videos are different, the actual visuals. But when you hear the lyrics, it's not per se more direct to the point like a Nicki Minaj talking about her WAP.
00:22:45
Speaker
I mean, you know, I think that was a Cardi if I'm not mistaken. think that's Cardi B. Is it Cardi B? fucky i I'm old. I don't know. i Give me some friggin guns and roses and I'm good.
00:23:00
Speaker
But not modern guns and roses, because as bad. You know, i have to give it to them. At least they're getting along again and they're producing shit. I mean, think Slash is not right. Like Slash, I don't think it's Slash has been coming in and out with them. They had a run there for a little bit where sat Slash was back touring, but he's always had his own kind of band where yeah yeah Miles Kennedy, he he tours with Miles Kennedy a lot.
00:23:27
Speaker
Okay. Yeah, I knew for a while they had that big falling out because I think slash was not back for was that Chinese democracy, the big one when like their big reunion one, I think. Yeah, he wasn't back for that one. That was Buckethead.
00:23:38
Speaker
They had. That's right. That's right. Yeah. See, I do know some shit. Don't but No guns and roses. I'll give you that. I mean, I think there's something to that part of me like I do think I think that's always been there like the directness to it. I think it's just a matter of like how popular some the stuff has been right and like with the I think you can be more direct now and i mean and i think part of that was i mean some of it is like you got money by radio play you got money by record sales and you got record sales by radio play like that that doesn't happen anymore no so you don't be like radio friendly like it doesn't say whatever you want same thing with like tvs and movies they don't have to be broadcast friendly they can just do whatever the hell they want into it but i mean what
00:24:21
Speaker
What would you say are some of the artists that you've been day one with and and even still kind of get into? I mean, so like, old I mean, older stuff, like I said, like, i mean, like Starflyer 59 is like a band that I've been and ah ah with since I think the first one was 94 silver came out 94. I think gold was 95, which is my first album on them. And they were like, I don't know how big they are.
00:24:46
Speaker
But that was like, early, that was like Christian shoegaze stuff. They were on tooth and nail. Like, like their lyrics, like you would not tell they're a Christian from their lyrics, clearly, but they're on tooth and nail there. They were in the Christian bookstore that I worked at and all of that stuff.
00:24:58
Speaker
they were like early and early kind of like heavy shoegaze and they kind of evolved a bunch through the years. And they just put a new one last year that I still like that. That new one's still awesome. So like,
00:25:09
Speaker
Like them I like, I mean, there's a bunch of bands I've kind of hopped in and out of, um a lot of like a lot of groups that if I like their stuff, I will give their other stuff enough of a chance to where even if I don't like it on first listen, I'll end up loving like St. Vincent.
00:25:22
Speaker
St. Vincent I've been a fan of since her first album came out. Like I think she's yeah incredible. And some of her stuff's been, it treads kind of a weird territory. Every album you're not entirely sure what you're going to get, but every album of hers I've loved. Like it's, it's just been, think once I love an artist, I will unless it's like overtly bad and I can't talk myself into it, I'll will give them every opportunity to win me over with with every record. Yeah, like some of them like and this is like, you know, i don't know the different things as well. Like Arcade Fire, I was in on I think before that first album came out.
00:25:57
Speaker
And then I think they came out with reflector and I was like, this is it. I can't like they lost me here. And now there's like all kinds of like, like allegations against the lead singer. And I don't feel so bad that I lost Arcade Fire along the way. But like that was a group that their first three albums I thought weren't were incredible.
00:26:13
Speaker
And then their fourth one, I gave it a shot. And then their fifth one, I gave it a shot. And I was like, I think I'm just out. I think I just don't like this band for the most part. Like if I'm in, I'm I'm in until they force me to leave.
00:26:24
Speaker
Right. and see i had the same feelings about metallica not so much i like i said we grew up in a time when you know you got your music in ways that aren't legal yeah yeah 100 so i mean no i don't know what you're talking about joe you know we were selling that those seven seas and flying some jolly rogers and shit getting our music brother we sure were But I I understood Metallica.
00:26:58
Speaker
It was Lars. It was all Lars basically that was leading that. I I understand where they were coming from. But when you have a reputation as a hard metal, you know, fuck this, fuck the system type deal. And then all a sudden you're in suits and that saying, well, you took our songs. We want our money. Yeah.
Music Industry Critiques
00:27:19
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You know, the it just kind of ruined Metallica a little bit for me because it's like okay, I understand you want your money. But what happened to all your other stuff? I mean, that and that's the issue with a lot of the I mean, a lot of metal punk rock groups, right? Like a lot of punk like like, early punk rock, I like as a modern punk rock I like as well. But then like,
00:27:40
Speaker
it's really hard to be punk rock when you're making a bunch of money. And so like those ideals that you stood on, like, I think, I think the clash have always still stood for that. you know, Strummer died long, long time ago, but yeah the guys that are still around, I think still stand on that. But, know, the sex pistols, like for whatever the sex pistols stood for. And then after,
00:27:56
Speaker
Sid Vicious died and then Johnny Rotten went to do was a public image limited or whatever. You listen to him talk now you would never know he was like on the cutting edge of punk rock. Like it's just yeah you can you've got all these ideals and man like yeah we we don't like the system and all of that. And then it's like, well, now the system is giving you money. It's supportive of it. So it's real hard to be anti establishment when the establishment is the one making you rich like it's it is ah it's something i've certainly had to come to terms with at times where like all these guys are playing a role to a certain extent not to say that like no one believes this stuff they they believe but i like metallica i fell out of because like some of their stuff was bad and then the last album i did was good and so like i like the last album i just yeah what was the album that they came out with right after that whole
00:28:39
Speaker
thing went down and i just i tried to listen to it and i think one because i was so salty over what lars was doing and two it just it didn't sound great i can't think of what it is it wasn't it was i don't think it was garage inc it was the one saint anger i think saint anger but anger sounds familiar yeah and it just that i know that was universally like panned just because it was not metallica And so, I mean, it happens. And like I said, there are times that even my favorite bands that I'll sit there and I'll listen through their new albums.
00:29:11
Speaker
It's like, okay, well, i like maybe three out of the 10 songs on that album. It's tough with some of them. I mean, because if you do get to a point, it's almost like, like an actor that's been around for so long, yeah you know, like, like, like Nicholson and some of the later Nicholson stuff, like, he's incapable of playing a character a certain point, and he's just playing himself. So like, if a band's been around that long, I mean, i mentioned St. Vincent, one that's what I love about her. She's constantly reinventing herself. Like, she's yeah remarkably talented. and but she doesn't rest on like, she's just an insane guitarist. And there's some albums she doesn't play guitar on. Like she's constantly looking for that next thing. Like what is she chasing? Whatever she's chasing I'm on board with. So this is constant reinvention, but a lot of artists, if they're just kind of making the same album a whole bunch,
00:29:54
Speaker
at a certain point you're like i mean i could listen to the new album or i could listen to the album i like better that came out 10 years ago because it's all roughly the same at this point so i is do get to a point with ah ah with some artists where you're like yeah okay i'll just i like the new one i'll just go back and listen the old one like it's just yeah since there's a comfort in that i think right and there's nothing wrong with just listening to the old stuff anyway because i mean you know you you got to do it at some point because those lyrics stay in your head you got to belt it out while you're driving down the road and and then you know stuff like that you know the shower music
00:30:30
Speaker
so uh what what are you kind of hardcore now for mean it depends depends on the mood I mean I was looking over like recent albums when I've been listening to like the new Lord Huron came out yesterday big big fan of them I've loved them since The start was a Lonesome Dreams, i think was the first one.
00:30:50
Speaker
i bet That's another band that like, they've got a core sound. but every album they're doing something different with that. And I really liked that that they yeah they sound like themselves while not sounding like themselves. So that one, I mean, I've not fully ingested that one that just came out yesterday, but I really liked that one.
00:31:08
Speaker
St. Vincent one from last year. Like I'm still all on that St. Vincent one from last year. The new Lucy Dacus, like huge families, Lucy Dacus, she's up and down for me. She was in boy genius as well, but she's been, she's been hit or miss with this new ones. Incredible. Someone turned me on recently to ah ah Hotline TNT.
00:31:24
Speaker
ah think it was a was Wisconsin band. put out one two years ago. It was really good. And they just came out with one about a month ago. wrote Raspberry Moon. think it's Raspberry Moon. That's really, really good. Like, I love that one. And so I'm i'm jumping like Japanese breakfast, but I knew one the new Deaf Heaven came out. I'm not huge in a metal. My older brother's big metal guy.
00:31:41
Speaker
And so he's been slowly working on me. um He lives two streets away from me now. so he's slowly working on me to get more of the metal. big subwoofer out and he's just blaring it dust you need to listen to this one he doesn't but like uh he he will absolutely be like hey listen to this and it's always like is this metal he's like cat it's it was uh devil wears prada this is the new band he's into so i was like is this like the movie and he was like kind of but they didn't know it was a movie so he's getting me into metal so like i've got my record on he just gave me the record behind me which is a me without you live album
00:32:12
Speaker
So like I've been getting trying to get more into that. Some August Burns Red, the new Deaf Heaven's incredible. Big me without you guys. So I mean, it's it's kind of it's whatever I kind of try to dip into older stuff still. you know, there's times where like what's been it's been six months of listening to Sgt Pepper. I got to fix that. And even like Josh Ritter's got a new one coming out. I love Josh Ritter. So I've been going back through like some of his older stuff as well. yeah Kind of prep myself, you know, but i'm I'm kind of, it depends on the mood, I guess. I still will like, all I want to listen to for a while is Phoebe Bridgers. so I'll just listen to Phoebe Bridgers for a while.
00:32:46
Speaker
for a while so it just kind of depends on where i'm at i work the job i work um i'm at my desk all the time um i can't i can't do podcasts it's constantly i've got to jump on calls or it's a lot of yeah yeah thinking through problems or responding to emails so listen to music new music all day for eight hours i ingest a lot and some of that hits and some of it doesn't i've i've been lucky that i've been able to kind of get on a whole bunch of stuff whether it's good or not i i take in a whole lot of stuff man and see with me it's opposite i'm at the when i'm on the job i can't listen to music because i've got to be able to have an ear you know if i'm doing my patrol i've got to be able to hear my radio
00:33:24
Speaker
so i'll listen to podcasts because i can hear the different you know i can hear the radio somebody's just talking more so than if i hear you know the guitar solo is going at that moment you know then somebody's calling me on the radio or whatever if i'm sitting at my desk you know i can do either or but it's just a lot easier to pull up like you know that's how i got into a lot of uh the you know like game on wisconsin's and ah ah yeah and don and matt with the hey we like your pod and that is because they were on while i'm sitting at work so it's just a lot of easier just to pull that up than it is to try well i don't want to listen to this one today ah you know i don't want to listen to this song and so just pull up a podcast let it go in the background and and go from there but you know i'm i i mean i gotta say you're you're into it a lot more than i am with stuff but you know i listen to i'm a writer dive for like breaking benjamin
00:34:21
Speaker
and hail storm and i've been getting back into faber drive i forgot all about them for the longest time and then i don't know randomly it popped up in something was like that song sounds really familiar and then i got to look at oh holy shit i was listening to that when i was going to work every freaking day so and then i know i saw that they came out with or they've been releasing some new music within the last year or two so i was like okay yeah so i've been listening to them a little bit more hail storm i ever ever since i listened to the first song of theirs or the first song that i ever heard of theirs was like my god this is just amazing so you know every every time they come out with something new i always pull up their album and and i gotta sit through it and
00:35:19
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breaking benjamin you know i do listen to a lot and
Discovering New Music
00:35:25
Speaker
obviously the first song because i'm a gamer too so the first song i remember them is uh from the halo 2 soundtrack oh yeah oh yeah um um so and then i've i've listened to a lot you know i went back and listened through some of their albums and stuff like that and i try to and i know they released something just last month or so so i got to get back into listening them a little bit more but you know honestly the way i find a lot of my music is going through and watching some of these tv shows because it's like those people go through and like randomly select just like the most obscure music that people don't really listen to or it's like friends of theirs or something and it'll go into an episode and it just it'll pop and what was the latest song that i got
00:36:14
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because i went back to do a re-watch of one of my favorite shows the flash it's like oh man i forgot about that song but that's like a banger think that's how I found um um perfume genius was on yeah closing credits of a man. I'm blanking on it. It was a really bad Netflix show. Netflix ah werewolf show like years and years ago with Bill Skarsgård. am blanking on the name of it.
00:36:40
Speaker
I think I watched three episodes of it, but the closing and credits of one of them was a perfume genius song. That's how I got into them was like, okay, that rules like that. That episode was terrible. I've watched this show again, but that that song is good. So I just try to find music by Yonaka.
00:36:54
Speaker
Okay. Okay. And I was like, man, that's like a, and it really pumped you up because it was like right it like a big fight scene. And it was like that really, so now I listened to it in the car that like pumps myself up to get to work. Like I'm going punch somebody in the mouth.
00:37:11
Speaker
I like that you can like, I mean, so many, I'm sure you're the same way. Like so many memories of mine are like tied to music. You listen to a song yeah and you it reminds you of of the place you were, who, you know, what you were doing. I think of Starflyers, Starfire Gold or Bex Odile of a very specific summer and what I was doing that summer.
00:37:29
Speaker
I like that you have, you have taken this song that like reminds you of like a fictional thing that you're like, yeah, this is the fight. Yeah, this is like you got that too you get you find that stuff in the movies and there's another one because one of my other favorite shows is psych and there is a very comedic fight scene during romeo and julia and juliet and it's towards the end of the fight and james rodea rodriguez is trying to fight this ninja and just to hold him off until somebody gets there and it's a dope nose by weezer and every time i listen to that song i cannot help but giggle or whatever because it's just the most hilarious fight scene you've ever wanted to see
00:38:12
Speaker
and so i do relate to that but i have kind of the same thing where i'll hear song it's like oh yeah i was out doing this at that time you know you know this was when i was in college and i was listening to this this and this yeah and so like i am big into slash two on top of the guns and roses so i listened to velvet revolver for the longest time nice uh uh That first album ruled. I can't remember much else about it. That first album was Dying Light. I think they only did one because I don't think it was too long after that that Scott, oh, what was his last name? Yeah. Stone Temple guy. um Yeah. I'm blanking on his name.
00:38:54
Speaker
Yeah, he overdosed. So it wasn't too long after. don't know. Yeah, and like they kind of reformed. I think they reformed Stone Temple as well for an album or for a tour or something in the meantime as well. Yeah, but that's going to. Yeah, I should know his name. Because he couldn't stay sober.
00:39:09
Speaker
And I think Slash was going through his sober phase. So he's like, we can't have this. and that kind of sucked because it was even even the name was kind of similar but it was basically everybody with guns and roses minus axel yeah because uh the drummer uh the bassist and slash were all from guns and roses and then the rhythmic guitar guy i think was was he did he play with metallica at one time
00:39:42
Speaker
I can't remember. I like, I get confused. was Scott, Scott Weiland, by the way, Scott Weiland. Yeah. I was getting, cause I think velvet revolver and like audio slave came out around the same time. Yeah. And audio slave was,
00:39:54
Speaker
What was that was a camera who that was? that That was rage. But with Chris Cornell, I think, if I'm not mistaken, like it was because I was exactly the Rocha left. So it was basically the Rage Against the Machine guys with Cornell. I think that was after Soundgarden broke up.
00:40:06
Speaker
And so it was like these two weird hybrid super groups that were basically the backing band of a band and another lead singer from another popular band. I think both i'm think Velvet Revolver in that first Audioslave album like came out around the same time.
00:40:21
Speaker
I remember it was very like, very strange. Yeah. And it's crazy how that stuff works because then Hinder booted their lead singer and it was like the singer from Three Days Grace went over and sang with him for a little bit.
00:40:36
Speaker
And then so it's like, they're already these well-known bands and they're just swapping guys in and out. It's like, okay, as long as you're producing good music, I don't really care. As long as it's good. du i mean, there's some bands, there was a, a Christian emo band called further seems forever. i don't know if you know further. so That's kind of an oxymoron, isn't it? Christian emo?
00:40:56
Speaker
now you can you can still be angsty man i mean again it was the same thing they're on tooth and nail like they weren't like truly like a band but they're on a christian label that first album was uh was it chris carralba who did dashboard and so it was like he did the first dashboard album then he joined further scenes forever they need the second dashboard album it took off and so he left for dashboard confessionals so second album was Jason Gleason, I can't remember what album what what band he came from.
00:41:20
Speaker
After the second album, he left. After the third album, for the third album, was the guy from like Senses Fail. So they put out like three or four albums. It was the same backing groups, was a different lead singer. And it was amazing how much like, how much that sound changed.
00:41:33
Speaker
Just you're dropping a different lead singer. into the make Nothing else changed. Every album, dr it was a fun little experiment over like a three or four album span there. Yeah, and and some of them just can't work because, like I said, I was kind of big into Hinder. I loved a lot of their stuff.
00:41:47
Speaker
And then they dropped their lead singer and picked up the other guy. And it's like, this just he just doesn't have the voice that the other guy does. I mean, he's got a good voice. it just It's not the same. so Blink did that too. Blink-182 did that as well.
00:42:04
Speaker
Yeah, but he kind of went off the deep end. well he did but he was always kind of off of the deep end but then they dropped in on blanking on the dude's name that came in and they put out a couple albums with him and like it sounded really good and that still kind of sounded like blink but was less less whiny up front like the vocals were slightly different which i think he's off with the alien somewhere so was saying he's you know he's he' big advocate big pro alien advocate ah ah see you bro but uh i just and And like I said, I'm just here for good music.
00:42:35
Speaker
I want to listen to some. And there's one thing that I, well, there's a couple of things that I really try to avoid at all costs anymore. But so the question is, what kind of music can you just say no to?
00:42:51
Speaker
like i will say this and my wife will make fun of me. me. ah Country music I can't do. like and there's And that's a and it's a fine line with some of it. but like you know, folk stuff for folk to me is different.
00:43:02
Speaker
Yeah, even some like country tinge stuff I can do like I've grown I live in Kentucky, man, like you got to tolerate that to some extent. But like, ah try to listen to like Garth Brooks. Yeah, I can't I can't do it.
00:43:15
Speaker
There's something about like the overly produced like, the like I guess commercial country used to call it like ah country country pop. And it's not really pop country. it's more like country rock anymore country pop country yeah but it's very much the very much like the radio like the basically the the clean country yeah type of stuff like i just there's something about i i don't know what it is because i there was stuff that i will like i'm like i love gillian welch i know if you listen gillian welch which is like very kind of stripped down folksy and she's got that like it's her and david rowling she's got like that very southern twang
00:43:46
Speaker
that i would always point to is that's what i hate about country music but i love her i love her voice so there's something about i think almost like the overproduced nature because then it's the the vocals become like it's the twang but it's almost like a theatrical twang and so it pushes it to a level that like on a physical level it makes my body like i can't listen to this anymore like there's something about that i can't do kind of like keith urban being australian but singing with a ah deep south accent that's yeah and then madonna singing in a in a australian accent like there's this weird like what what are we doing here but mean that's there's something there's something in my brain that when i hear that stuff i i can't do it so like if it's if it's adjacent to that if it's country-ish if it's folkish i can still like it but that overproduced stuff
00:44:32
Speaker
And it's getting bigger now. Yeah. Like there was even, i mean, we talked about earlier Chappelle Rhone. I really like Chappelle Rhone. She put out a country song that is in that vein. I was like, I can't do this like this. I cannot do. But then, Julian Baker and Torres put out a country album this year. I love Julian Baker.
00:44:47
Speaker
They put out a country album this year. That's a little more like old school classic sounding and like still kind of twangy, but like I can get behind that. So there's something, there's something, there's some disconnect. I don't know what it is, but my brain knows what it is and it hates it.
00:45:01
Speaker
right and i'm kind of the same way i i can listen i'm not big on country but i can listen to like some of the older stuff i do happen to like garth brooks's stuff i i you know because it's kind of like at that tail end of you know old school country meets modern rockish country and and now i won't say that i like everything he's ever did there are just a lot of songs that Again, you know, I don't sit here and go buy albums and say, I love this album.
00:45:32
Speaker
It's just that there are some songs that I'll sit there and, you know, I'll listen to, you know, obviously the dance and thunder rolls and stuff like that. It was like, listen to thunder rolls. And I got half with your song is like, i need to go outside. Like you need to turn this off. Like god this is, I cannot something about this. I cannot abide. I can't do this.
00:45:51
Speaker
But then I grew up really loving like Keith Whitley, because I really loved his music. And then a lot of the older country guys like Johnny Cash, and Johnny Horton and and guys like that, that i i can listen to not like i said not all their songs or even like like i'll love it like i'll love it stuff i think yeah i love it there's a there's a there's a dirtiness to some of that stuff too that yeah and i can even go back to like hank williams senior where there's a couple of his songs that i just i i really like and i like to style and stuff like that so but other than that if you start playing country around me it's like nope and it sucks because i'm kind of in the same but you are where i'm in iowa and
00:46:31
Speaker
you know there's like one major rock station in the whole state and the rest of it is all like country so i can't even listen to the radio that's why i spend most of my time on spotify yeah yeah there's one there's a i don't know man this it seems like there's a proliferation of like just country music like there's it's everywhere now like it's it's it's popular again i think it's going through a cycle it's popular again and so it's it's everywhere and I don't understand transitioning over and doing you know Darius Rucker was known for Hootie and the Blowfish and now he's producing you know country music uh what's the kid's name Shabuzi took Gypsy and turned it country and now it's you know all over the place and I remember hearing that in the club when I was in college um
00:47:21
Speaker
So, you know, everybody's doing a
Genre Transitions and Covers
00:47:24
Speaker
transition. oh Beyonce, I think she's even doing her whole country movement now with this cowboy Carter Carter, which I mean, that last album, like that album hers, like, yeah, it's country, but like, that's not like country country. Like I get i got get down, like there's still there's there's more to that. And and i guess it's I just said, like the polished set, but it's not.
00:47:45
Speaker
it's not like the big twangy vocals. It's not like the building strings. Like it doesn't like it. It's, it's an odd thing. And it's the same thing with, with some other artists that I will listen to where like, there's elements of a country album there, but that to me is not like, again, there's something physical in my brain. Like my, my body doesn't revolt against that Beyonce album. So I don't count it among pop country stuff.
00:48:06
Speaker
Now this is to be controversial. I'm not a big Beyonce fan. brother It's very controversial. Don't say that out loud. I'm not saying she's a bad artist or anything. There's just something about the way she sings that I ah ah can't get behind it.
00:48:22
Speaker
That's fair. don't know what's that. I said that's fair. I mean, I love her, but like there's there's artists that just rubbed me the wrong way. I get it. Right. And it's not like I don't. If I hear a song, it's not like, okay, yeah, that's great or boo, don't you know I'm going to be sick. It's just I can't get into it as much.
00:48:39
Speaker
And the same thing with this, I'm going to kill like two birds with one stone with my things. I'm not a big Taylor Swift fan either. Now, there there are a couple of songs that I can listen to, but it's not like I'm you know umm definitely not a Swifty.
00:48:55
Speaker
But I mean, I can I i can see. i guess my point is, is I can see where people enjoy them. It's just not my style, per se.
00:49:07
Speaker
That's fair. I like ah one of the things i like to like early Taylor Swift. I can't do because that's that's all country. like I like I like that. She tries new things. I like that. And some of it like was maybe she's maybe she's chasing a hit, by you know, different radio crossover hit for some of that. But like, I didn't really start liking her until folklore Folklore came out like that the Folklore Evermore set.
00:49:26
Speaker
that those two albums are insane like those are incredible and that's really when i started hitting with her then even like i can't go back to like far deep back catalog because it's it's way too twangy country and like okay this this this portion isn't for me i can't do this i have this thing where i tend to like people's covers more than i do like the originals out of things so like one of the things that i found the other day and i actually put this on uh blue sky at one point that somebody I used to know by Gautier. oh yeah.
00:49:58
Speaker
I found a cover by Three Days Grace. I like that a lot more than I like the Gautier version. Or like the Beatles. There's a lot of people who have covered the Beatles, and I tend to like some of the covers more than I like the the originals on it. Like, I'm a big Jeff Healy band guy, and he did one of the best covers of while my gut my guitar gently weeps and i think i'm so amazed by how he plays that it helps get into it because if people don't know who he is and i don't know if you've ever heard him oh yeah no yeah i've watched i've watched the movie roadhouse okay okay well you know i gotta you know yeah you gotta know your audience on a little bit this i've already kicked away 90 who's gonna listen this by with my hot takes so
00:50:48
Speaker
But for anybody who doesn't know who Jeff Healy is, he was in the movie Roadhouse. He was at the guitar player in that. I can't think of what his character's name was, but he was blind. And the way he played guitar was he laid it in his lap and he held, he would do the finger on the bridge like a steel guitar.
00:51:07
Speaker
And he would play it more like a steel guitar than an actual guitar. And, you know, I could honestly put him in easily like the top five guitarist of that time period just because of how well he played the way he played and yeah yeah it's it's slide blue stuff yeah he was because i think the first healy thing i ever heard he had a big hit in like late eighty s early ninety there's a couple of them there's lost in your eyes and there's angel eyes angel eyes is what i'm thinking of and so i knew i knew healy from that and i was like okay this is like
00:51:39
Speaker
ah pretty generic radio pop stuff, right? Like it's just like it's a radio ballad. It's whatever. And then when i actually heard like his other stuff like, oh, OK, this dude can play like this isn't this man is talented. I thought he was I thought it was just, a you know, um oh, he's this is a guy like Eric Carmen or something. He's going to pop up and drop a radio hit. You'll ever hear from him again. But you see that dude can rip, dude.
00:51:59
Speaker
yeah Yeah. And he was like I said, ah if if you had to put him in that, I'm going to give him that era. He's probably top five. Now you might leave him out of the top five if you put like all time.
00:52:10
Speaker
But during that era in the 80s and the early 90s, I would say he's got to easily be one of the top five just the way. Yeah, i'd I'd have a hard time figuring. I mean, I think, you know, slash is probably up there. Yeah. What's some of that? There's so much of that. You're in that weird.
00:52:26
Speaker
You're in that weird position where it's you're you're kind of between some of the yeah the synth rock stuff from like the 80s still carrying over and and still some of like the the butt rock hair metal stuff before you get into some of the alternative. So I think I think maybe and I probably if someone checks me on this will probably tell me I'm an idiot, probably fairly slim pickings for that area. I er i would imagine there weren't a ton of like I mean, like there's still some of those same like metal guys hanging out like. guys like stevie ray vaughn who who vaughn was around i guess uh who's uh yang we melstein or whatever i'm playing yeah and then of course jack clapton that was running around this steve steve vye's running there right steve vye in that area yeah am an idiot you called me on real time you're right joe i mean you had guys during that area but it's not like
00:53:16
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Not like the, you know, 70s. Yeah, it wasn't like late 60s, mid 70s stuff. It was just all these rock gods. It was not not quite in that arena anymore at that point, I think.
00:53:28
Speaker
All right let's shock some people. what is What is your guilty pleasure that somebody who's looking through your playlist is going to be like, you're listening to that?
00:53:40
Speaker
Buddy, I don't have guilty pleasures, man. Life's too short for guilty pleasures. I mean, I mentioned Miley Cyrus earlier. She's amazing. You know, i'd like cur early, again, early stuff is like very country stuff, but really what she's been doing since then has been awesome. um new album's incredible. but i I make no bones about the fact big Carly Rae Jepsen guy. I think she's the emotion album.
00:53:58
Speaker
Tremendous pop music. I mean, that's the thing I would, I don't go ahead. I was just going to say, yeah I had the the one hit that call me maybe on my playlist for the longest time. And her album after that man hit a emotion. though There's stuff on emotion that's incredible. So i'm I mean, there is certainly stuff that I will be made fun of. I think if someone hears me about in public, it's life's too short for guilty pleasures, man. And that's like, I kind of go to like radio pop stuff just because people, yeah people who who are like deep into music generally don't like to admit if they like radio pop. But man, that stuff's catchy.
00:54:29
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that stuff's catchy I mean you know Chapelle Roan I love luck babe her song good luck babe just insane uh so yeah I'd say I would guess I'm gonna say guilty pleasure give me Carly Rae Jepsen give me yeah give what'll we'll say Carly Rae Jepsen I'll be honest mine and I probably don't look it and with me being a Packer content creator and you know die hard football and baseball and you know jock on top of jock and whatever well I've got my nerd side everybody knows my nerd side but I'm a big musical guy.
00:55:00
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i love musical albums. So 1776, one of the best ones I've ever had. There's one that this play has never been released as like a movie or anything like that. You could only catch it on Broadway for a short time. And every once while you can get off Broadway's, but it's called Assassins.
00:55:21
Speaker
and it's actually ah musical about assassins so like boo john john wilkes booth and yeah i remember that one yeah yeah and so i there's a few of the songs on there that i i listen to when i'm in that kind of mood uh oh what's another one that i got into that uh but there are just some musicals that i can just sit there and i may not like the movie or the you know the play or whatever but i love the music that came from it and that that's probably the one thing that if somebody would look at my normal playlist compared to like that playlist they'd they'd never understand what was going on with it
00:56:11
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Because I am. i'm more of your... I don't like screamo. i don't I don't like the screamer stuff, so I can't get into a lot of the the heavy, heavy death metal type thing because that's not music to me.
00:56:25
Speaker
Even though I like some of the background music to it, I just can't handle when somebody's screaming and all that. But I am more of a heavier metal type of guy. You know, like I said, Hailstorm, Breaking Benjamin, 6 a.m., you know, stuff like that that I can get into.
00:56:43
Speaker
I was listening to Pretty Reckless there for a little bit. There was one that I was actually listening to the other day that I'd never heard of, and I think they've been out for a bit, Cav-O. don't know them.
00:56:56
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I never heard of them, but it randomly popped up in a suggestion. i was like, okay, well, I'll listen to it. It was pretty good. and I think one of the things that would also kind of be out there is this can be controversial too.
00:57:18
Speaker
And I want to talk to you about this because I want to get somebody else's opinion on it.
Guilty Pleasures and Criticism
00:57:22
Speaker
I like Nickelback. I like Creed, you know, I like that kind of stuff.
00:57:29
Speaker
Why is it, is it just popular to hate on them for no reason? Or is there an actual reason why these guys get hated on? ah to me i mean that that era of stuff that was like that was post pearl jam i worked with a guy who would always say he said it sounds like they got a her stuck in their throat because it's always it's that same like you i can't listen to that stuff and not think of well that's just you're trying to sound like any better like you're failing because like seven mary three was a big one around like earlier than that as well but like that's been there was a band i was into for a bit called new idol son that was basically just like they wanted very bad they'd be pearl jam they didn't care who knew it they wanted to be proj i think
00:58:07
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I think there's some amount to that, I think. and And it's weird because there's other people that were like the vocals will sound the same. but I think better was so is so like iconic in the way that he sings. And we hadn't really heard that before, that if you hear something like that afterwards, what the music that even sounds roughly the same, you're like, well, he's trying to be Eddie Vedder. So I think I mean, I don't know about me.
00:58:30
Speaker
I think there is like I think there's something to like this doesn't feel genuine. I know like that first, like the first Creed album I dug, the second album, like Human Clay, i like Human Clay. i think part of it for me, and this is again, bygone era, right? Like I got sick of Nickelback and it could never do that. I don't know. I couldn't put my finger on it.
00:58:48
Speaker
there's something on nickelback i just don't like i i cannot cannot cannot vibe with that band could never vibe with that it's the canadianness of it all i think is what it is you're trying to rip us off inner canadian get out of here brother but creed for me it was very much radio killed them like yeah they just overplayed like that first album was solid My Own Prison was great. That was that was I very much enjoyed it. I've not listened to it forever, but I really liked it.
00:59:12
Speaker
Human Clay. I mean, that because I was arms wide open and what if and there's a handful of songs on the higher was on there that they just played in the ground. They were in everything. They were ever you couldn't go into a store or not here. And so for me, like there was that and then like they kind of get too big for the britches and staff kind of crashed out.
00:59:31
Speaker
And then yeah i think that third album was bad. And so I don't and I might be wrong on this. I might be misremembering. I don't know that I don't remember anyone a hating Creed until that third roughly around the time that third album came out because I was were kind of sick of it.
00:59:45
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Staff was kind of at that point was kind of making like a general nuisance of himself. You start in fights, you show shows drunk. The third album sucked. And that's when. And so they'd become like a laughing stock since then.
00:59:56
Speaker
But dude, Those first two albums are solid. Like if you can get past someone like the higher and arms wide open and stuff, some of the cheesiness and getting overplayed some of the guitars on human Claire, like, I mean, are, are great. I just, I fell off of them.
01:00:09
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Staff then tried to make, this is kind of maybe lesser known staff, tried to make a career in the Christian music industry. You put out a Christian music album. That's terrible. Didn't they start out as the Christian band?
01:00:21
Speaker
So they were pegged. They were not on a Christian label. I was working in a Christian bookstore at the time. ah were not on a Christian label. They were pegged as a Christian band because of some of the lyrics in the first time. They happened the same thing, the same thing with that first collective soul album.
01:00:33
Speaker
And then they tried to get it into Christian bookstores to expand the audience, but Christian bookstores wouldn't carry it. there was kind of that. are they Christian? Are they not? There are some lyrics in there that could like kind of, kind of say, you know, this is, this is God-like or something. Maybe they're referencing God, but there was, it was never overt.
01:00:52
Speaker
It was just kind of a, it was, there's a time all Christian music has been like this, where if there's something that feels like it could be Christian-ish, the christian group will try to claim it because they're like look we're cool we got this on the radio like that's and so i i think that that was uh evanescence actually evan i think evanescent that first evanescence i think was on a christian label if i'm not mistaken but that was like this anytime something kind of bumps up against christianity tries to claim that as there so i think that's what happened with with creed and then they distanced themselves from that and staff tried to come back to that after creed kind crashed out
01:01:27
Speaker
now you just mentioned evanescence and i've kind of got a love hate thing for evanescence first i like i like their music but i've got a story behind it so i had a friend for the longest time that used to be in a band and they got to the point where they were traveling and they were like uh the lead act for some of these bands and they were actually going to be the lead act for evanescence they were promised a thousand dollars to do it they went out on stage they did their set they did all that they didn't pay them yeah and sounds all right so ever since i heard that story i was like man that's really fucked up so i just i i still like a lot of the music but then i think
01:02:17
Speaker
you couldn't have paid these guys a thousand bucks after you know selling millions and millions of these things so i try to keep in mind with some like some of that like that's probably management that's probably having essence management that didn't pay him like i try not to hold it against the band unless someone from the band was like an out and out jerk uh but well they said that they didn't get along with a couple of the guys in the band the guys in the bands were kind of like high nose in them and stuff like that don't know about her i don't remember what he said about her but i do say i do know that he mentioned that a couple of people in the band were not i mean i think after the first album i think they kicked out the guitars because he was ah jackass so i would totally believe 100 believe that so so what do you and we'll wrap up here pretty quick but i do want to ask what's kind of the most obscure music that or
01:03:08
Speaker
something that, you know, nobody has probably ever heard of or if they have, it's not really, you know, it's not mainstream, so to say. So i I listen to a bunch of stuff.
01:03:20
Speaker
And I don't talk to people about what they listen to. So I have no idea what people listen to. I mean, there's a bunch of stuff that I have listened to that i will listen to. um think I was looking through, OK, what have I listened to that I think people don't really listen to so much like there's It's group called LN that's on. don't really think they're doing much anymore. Lead singer is a guy named Gary Murray, they're kind of always call them sleepy time rock. It's very kind of atmospheric, folky type of stuff. So LN, I've been a big fan of for a long time. There's a group that a friend of mine turned me on to called My Lucky Day, which is.
01:03:52
Speaker
upbeat at the the ah the album. The album is yeah, the their first album or the album that I have is called All Shimmer in a Day. All of the song titles are in English.
01:04:03
Speaker
They're a Japanese shoegaze group that only sing in Japanese. I've never heard them anywhere else. The first that album is 10 songs is 29 minutes. It's unbelievable. I'll go to bat for g Granada, which is like a they're not they put out three albums back in like the mid 2000s. They were a Swedish group, kind of like, kind of like jangly pop stuff, like kind of some kind of 60s pop stuff there. I don't think they're on streaming services like they're extremely hard to find if you're looking for them.
01:04:33
Speaker
They had their signers a second album takes a lot of walking. incredible like that's when i go back to quite a bit i i've never met i've never met anyone else ah that has ever heard of them um only person i've ever really like talked to about their music is my sister because she listens to them as well uh that i think them and i guess my little i'll throw two more paloma paloma was a band that came out on a christian adjacent label in the early 2000s they put out one album That is a masterpiece, like kind of a very kind of dark, slow brooding kind of like pop album. um Guy's voice is incredible.
01:05:07
Speaker
And they disappeared. I have no idea what happened to a single member of that band. um they put out one album called the Spooky Loop. And it's incredible. And then the last one I'm going to throw out for, oh, just for giggles. They're probably a little bigger. I think they're making a comeback now called Unbelievable Truth. Have you ever heard of Unbelievable Truth?
01:05:23
Speaker
it's honestly it sounds familiar but i would have to listen to it to to fully say so there's an artist a friend of mine her name's cat jones i think she's got a new album coming out too and she turned me on to them it's the lead singer of radiohead's brother it's tom york is lead singer radiohead this is andy york their first album almost here is i mean an absolute masterpiece. They put out one other album, they broke up and I think they're coming out with a new one. But Unbelievable Truth is one of those that like, I feel like more people should know, but I don't think they do. So I think I think of those all, think probably Ellen or Granada g Granada is like, Ellen, you can still find Granada is next to impossible to find but they're like, their second and third albums are just in incredible pop albums.
01:06:04
Speaker
I'm like, yeah, kind of laid back again, kind of like 60s inspired pop stuff. I mean, you just you can't find them anywhere. So I'll go with Granada probably. gonna throw out my band i know they had a little bit of a run a few years back ah where they actually had like a uh uh one that was a song that was played on the radio quite often but oar of a revolution oh yeah man i i cousin that i don't really get along with anymore when but when we did get along with and he had heard him well when he was his first year of college got me into it i've listened to him ever since there have been a couple of albums i like no thank you but other than that there's been mainly and i i give them a lot of credit because they're not like mainstream bands they they've had to play on radio they they've had some i i know uh god this had been a dozen or so years ago they
01:07:00
Speaker
one of the the and mlb home run derbies they actually played a crazy game of poker i was like where did you hear that from but i've listened to them for a long time they're It's hard to really pinpoint what type weren't they kind of music. OAR was kind of jam bandy. They were kind of traveled in like that jam bandy type of stuff, didn't they? Yeah, yeah. And it's and it's kind of got like a reggae mixed in with a rock type thing.
01:07:31
Speaker
and But yeah, I love them. And they are indie because I made the mistake one time to sign up for something because I was trying to buy something on their site.
01:07:42
Speaker
And now I just get constant bombardment of emails about we're going to be in this town. We're going to be in this town. We're going to be in this one. sure to buy tickets, buy this, buy that. So yeah, it's, it's,
01:07:54
Speaker
I love them. I haven't really paid attention to see what they've released lately, but the last one I listened to had some pretty good songs on it, and it sounded like they went back to more of their roots than than anything. and you know he he's i can't think of what the singer's name is, but he's definitely got a unique voice to him.
01:08:15
Speaker
yeah So, but yeah, and, you know obviously they they they're they've got saxophone in there. They've got all this. So it's it's an unusual arrangement of instruments they've got in there, but it all comes together and it sounds really good.
01:08:32
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So we'll we'll kind of wrap up here, but I got to ask.
Iconic Musicians and Myths
01:08:40
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what would be you're gonna have you know this is a common question when coming to like football and stuff like that you get to have dinner with three people ever musical wise sure who are your three people oh man number one with a bullet don't think about is tom waits like he is i've i've been able to see him live twice his music if you've not listened to tom waits you've not listened to tom waits his catalog it is an insane journey, just an absolutely insane journey.
01:09:11
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I'll go I'll go Waits. I'm going to go with with someone you mentioned earlier. I'm going Sam Cooke, Sam Cooke. One of the best voices ever. His his album Nightbeat is one of my favorite albums ever. That's like very stripped down. It's a like basically at a club at night it is the vibe they wanted. it's It's incredible. So I'll go with him and oh man, I'll go. and I'm going Paul McCartney. I'll go Paul McCartney. I love the Beatles. Just that, you know, where they came from in terms of because you you get to talk with him about it's basically the history of music, man. Like you get, I mean, the history of pop music anyway, like the, the, from the early beginnings from like a cover group doing their skiffle group as a skiffle rock stuff to like becoming the biggest band in the world.
01:09:55
Speaker
And I'm saying Paul because ah George was kind of quiet. Ringo. think Ringo always just, he's always kind of said like, he's just kind of been along for the ride. i feel like lennon would just be very very annoying uh so mccartney is i've read enough anywhere without yoko oh man i listen i've read enough books on beetles i've read enough lennon interviews to know like he was an interesting man to have a conversation with him feels insufferable so i think mccartney you get the amount about him that i wouldn't be able to sit at ah ah in the same room with him Oh, oh, 100% like post even like, I read a book recently called solid state that was really, really cool. That was the the recording of Abbey Road.
01:10:30
Speaker
And so you get lost like behind the scenes, like how they mixed it and all that stuff. And even then that was like, I didn't know Lennon was not there for most of it because he got in a car wreck. And then anyone was there him and Yoko were like, in a bed together, because like his back was all jacked up.
01:10:44
Speaker
And then he's just doing heroin like crazy. And then post Beatles was like abuse stuff and everything like he he was always a guy who struck me as like, He is very talented. He also is like way too high in his own supply here. So McCartney, you get the kind of that leveled look. He seems very funny. So yeah, i think I'll go.
01:11:02
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That gives me a pretty good, you know, I don't have any jazz guys in there. I must want Miles Davis, but Miles Davis feels like just insane. Yeah, i'll stick with I'll stick with that. McCartney, Sam Cooke, Tom Waits. So of those, I guess only one of them is dead.
01:11:14
Speaker
right. Hey, i got I got two that are still alive. I'll take it. So I'm going to outdo you a little bit. I am going to throw the Sam Cooke in there because like I said, I'm i'm diehard on Sam Cooke.
01:11:25
Speaker
When I was watching the documentary about Sam Cooke, and it makes sense after listening so to a lot of his stuff, he couldn't hold a note. That's why you hear the warble.
01:11:36
Speaker
you know That's why he has the warble because he can't hold a long note. His voice just couldn't do it. So he came up with that warble to to kind of extend it out. so Sam Cooke, whatever that, that would be, if I could have Sam Cooke's.
01:11:53
Speaker
Fascinating figure. I did not mention it's fascinating figure and in terms of like, he fought to get control of the rights to his own music. No one was doing it at that point. And like this, his struggle for that, i think would be incredible to kind of talk through.
01:12:05
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Well, and that's kind of what the conspiracy say is how he ended up dead was because of a little bit of that. but I'm going to go way back.
01:12:16
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And I'm talking way, way, way, way back. This man has been accredited with creating rock and roll. And no, I'm not talking Elvis or anybody listening.
01:12:28
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Robert Johnson. I've got to know the story behind Robert Johnson, because, you know, that's where the whole Crossroads thing came from, because, you know, they they he sold his soul to be able to learn how to play like he did.
01:12:42
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And he even had a how do you want to say it a a death that is kind of quite a questionable death yeah and he's actually one of the 27 club he was 27 when he died so you know you could probably list him as probably one of the first ones of the known 27 club but his style you talk about sam cook's live album the only thing we have from robert johnson is like
01:13:12
Speaker
scratched up yeah record that was created in one night. And it's just it's amazing if you can hear cleaned up versions of it. It's just amazing stuff.
01:13:24
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And so Sam Cooke, Robert Johnson, and I've been struggling with the third one. I'd love to throw Lizzie Hale in there just because you got to have a pretty woman in there at some point.
01:13:35
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Sure. But I'd love to have Jeff Healy in there just because I'd love to know his stories in that too.
01:13:46
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But man, just trying to go through and and think about it. so
01:13:56
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You know, I'm going to go... just to add a modern tone to it so you've got like many different generations i'm just gonna go ben burnley just because i i think he'd be fun to sit down and talk to his story in that so no we'll change it back to lizzie we'll keep the modern stuff and we'll keep the prettiness with her so because if anybody if you've ever followed her stuff on like uh social medias and that she's like the true definition of the rock and roll sex drugs and rock and roll stuff
01:14:28
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Because that's just true definition of it. So, you know, women's lib, man, just got to... ah ah she's She is. She's really great with that stuff. And I and i love her her music, her voice.
01:14:43
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During COVID, they she released an album that they did in their and just their little studio thing where she just did cover songs. And she covered i Will Always Love You.
01:14:56
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And it's just her voice was amazing with it. If it nobody's heard it, go look for it. It's just, it's obviously it's not like Whitney Houston. Sure, sure, sure. You know, level, but it's pretty top notch up in there. So I'm going to Robert Johnson, Sam Cooke and Lizzie Hale on that.
01:15:14
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Not a bad three. We're at about an hour and 16. So, and I'm running out of questions here we've pretty much covered all the topics I really wanted to get with.
Music Writing and Concert Challenges
01:15:27
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So Dusty, why don't you just tell everybody what you're doing now and what you're going to be up to and where they can find you and all that good stuff. Find me on social that Dusty Evely living on blue sky mostly these days. And yeah, writing over at Acu packing company, trying to get an article or two up a week. I don't know what but I've got next. I got to figure that out for next week, I guess, but something, something next week. And then a Wednesday pack a day and yeah.
01:15:54
Speaker
Posting about music. I did just see Joe. We do not talk about this. i don't know how many concerts you go to. I don't, I used to go to a lot. I don't yeah you want to hear a hot topic. I do. You don't do not, do you not like concerts? never um been to a concert.
01:16:05
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You've never been to a concert the only concert that I can claim that I've been to now is the draft. Oh, brother. got it. Is that a conscious decision?
01:16:15
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and Not really. It's just in the area I'm in. There's not really okay places that I can go to, to see things. The closest things are like two hour drives.
01:16:27
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And they're usually on nights that I'm working or something like that. The closest I've got was Breaking Benjamin was going to be in Cedar Rapids. And it was in December.
01:16:40
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and I had everything set up to go. and we got hit with one of the worst snowstorms you ever wanted to see. And there was no way i was going to be able to make the two-hour drive in it. So that was about the closest I've been.
01:16:51
Speaker
why yeah, it's not necessarily a conscious decision not to go to concerts. It's just the area I'm in, it's hard to get.
01:17:03
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You know, we have a local place that they do bring in some acts, but it's usually country acts or stuff like that. and I mean, the big thing they celebrate now is hairball comes in.
01:17:15
Speaker
And that's the tribute bands to all the hair metal. Man, I mean, if I mean, listen, if I will say, i don't that I've ever felt more alive, more joyful than I have at a concert. Like I write I used to go to quite a few I've not been to I went to Manchester Orchestra a couple of years ago. That was another band that I've been with since the beginning. Like that was like early, early days of Manchester and they've been going 20 years now. Yeah.
01:17:39
Speaker
uh like i've i've never felt the feeling i get at a concert i've never really really felt before so if you can get to something well i'm in a good area i'm right off 75. so uh they'll like this is like a stopover town for them lexington yeah yeah over town for them so i've been able to see quite a few bands over the years if you can if you can go please please joe try to try to get some live music i change your life and the Well, I will say I almost got to see Hailstorm at the State Fair until realized what date it landed on.
01:18:15
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And I was sitting in Wisconsin for training camp.
01:18:20
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and I was getting so excited. i was like, all right, I'm going to go up and see Hailstorm. Because the Iowa State Fair is one of the top state you can go to or whatever. So they bring in all kinds of these frigging names.
01:18:33
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And Des Moines has our one main rock station, Laser 1033. And they used to put on a rock fest, laser fest. It would be like a three-day fest.
01:18:45
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but it always land and with the jobs that I've worked, I've either had to work weekends or nights yeah and and it just it never would. It's either go up and enjoy it and lose money because I'm not at work making it or make the money and and go to something that I know going to be able to go to.
01:19:05
Speaker
It's fair. That's fair. So it's not like I haven't tried to make the effort to get to these things. its just it seems like Mother Nature tells me you're not going. That's fair. that's fair I understand that. And I feel sorry for bands that come to Iowa because there's always that stigma from there for a while. I was told that like Marilyn Manson and Ozzy Osbourne were banned from the state of Iowa for the longest time.
01:19:31
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But you also have the stigma because we're the state that the music died.
01:19:37
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and And if you don't know the story, it's because Buddy Holly and big bopper Big Bopper and Ricky Valance died in Mason City in a plane crash.
01:19:47
Speaker
So it's like when you've got that stigma of being that state, do you really want to go to that state to perform? ah Just don't fly in, man. Take a bus in. Stop before the border, take a bus in. You're good. and But yeah, I mean, I really want to go to places. it just, it,
01:20:06
Speaker
it doesn't seem to happen on my head because like i said it's either lose the money or make the money and go to like training camp or to a game or something like that and you know my packers are a little bit more important than than you know music can be sometimes listen man i get it i get it i i will say my first love is music but i get it man So, all right.
Podcast Promotion and Conclusion
01:20:31
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So, pack a day, all that stuff.
01:20:34
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Socials, our socials. I don't even know what we do anymore. I think we've still got a Twitter. I've been posting mainly on Blue Sky, but it's few and far between anymore. try to do my best on there, but, you know, social, sometimes it feels a lot better, healthier when you're not on social medias.
01:20:52
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01:21:25
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