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Packers Off Season Off Topic: Star Wars A New OPE
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Join us for another thrilling episode of “Packers Off Season Off Topic,” where we take a delightful detour from the football field to a galaxy far, far away! In this week’s episode, Iowa Joe is joined by Star Wars aficionados Dan Kotnik and James Townsend to dive deep into the epic universe of lightsabers, droids, and the Force.
Whether you’re a die-hard Padawan or a Jedi Master at heart, this conversation promises to ignite your passion for the galaxy far, far away. We’ll explore everything from the compelling story arcs of our favorite characters to the latest series that have fans buzzing.
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Intro
Introduction to Star Wars Episode
00:00:29
Speaker
Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to another episode of OAP. I am Iowa Joe, and this is a continuation of our off-season off-topic episodes.
00:00:41
Speaker
I have brought on two good friends to talk about one of my favorite subjects outside of the Packers, and that is Star Wars. Gentlemen, I are today. I guess I should introduce my guests.
00:00:52
Speaker
Don Don Dan Kotnick and James Townsend. I can't talk. I just came off a 12 hour shift. I got home at five o'clock this morning, so I am running on caffeine and willpower right now. But gentlemen, what's happening today?
Personal Star Wars Journeys
00:01:11
Speaker
Man, i'm I'm dealing with the toddler slash newborn life in the middle of a heat wave here in Detroit. So I don't know, 12-hour shift, wake up at 4 in the morning and wait for the the library to open so my kid can go do something in the air conditioning for an hour.
00:01:31
Speaker
Yeah, well, I have four kids, one of which is a toddler, so I feel that man sure. Respect, mad respect. but but And the only thing I got to deal with is in my big bellied beagle. So I'm i'm good here.
00:01:46
Speaker
But today is Star Wars day. I've looked forward this for a long time. Dan and I, we've had conversations in the past on it. James, since you're new to the group, we haven't really had a big conversation, but we did touch on it when you joined me for our episode earlier in the, in the off season.
00:02:04
Speaker
But the first question i'm going to put out there and james i'm going to let you take it first since you're the you're the newbie of the group what got you into star wars oh man i remember see i was born in 1981 so i remember being about two or three you know around there i mean it was ingrained in me as i grew up and i remember me and my cousin I would always just stay the night at at my grandma's house and we would have A New Hope on VHS and just watch it over and over.
00:02:39
Speaker
It's always playing. And then all the other ones too. And you just grow up. And especially, you know, Lucas was a mastermind and and I was one of the kids roped in by the merchandise. And man, to to go scouting for Star Wars toys. I remember that. It's like they made the exact number.
00:02:57
Speaker
to perfectly match supply and demand. So you like you can never find a Luke Skywalker. You can never find all these things. And that just and then they quit making them and, you know, on into like the later 80s and the early 90s. And I would go to antique malls and look for them and stuff and and try to find people's old toys in their attics.
00:03:15
Speaker
So, i mean, yeah, I was just caught up in the magic from day one. That's great. Yeah, I feel that. Dan, how about you? What got you into the Wars of Stars? Yeah, I am. I am definitely I'm a little bit younger, I think, than both of you guys. I was born basically i was born like 19 on the edge of like 1990, 1991.
00:03:37
Speaker
So like when I was a kid, like I distinctly I can I can remember like watching glimpses, like bits and pieces of like the, cause like my family wasn't like a blockbuster family. Like we didn't go like, you know, rent big movies from blockbuster, but like I would catch like huge chunks of these but like,
00:04:01
Speaker
pop culture movies on TV, so like Ghostbusters, Raiders, Star Wars on like TV when they were on. And so I would catch like these huge pieces of it. I'm like, and i and so I'd grow up like thinking like, man, these are like really cool. These are really cool.
00:04:16
Speaker
And then like as if it was like perfectly synced up just for my generation i basically probably was like phantom menace came out you know right when i was at peak you know that that age of grab on for a a fandom you know i was like a kid remembering like i remember seeing like the uh this is going to be so stupid. I remember seeing the the Taco Bell dog in a Phantom Menace commercial.
00:04:48
Speaker
i was like, this is going to be so awesome. I'm like, I like I probably hadn't seen like the first three Star Wars movies like all the way through. And like known like the whole story. I knew like the, like the bait, the main points, like Luke blows up the death star.
Emotional Connections to Star Wars
00:05:05
Speaker
Vader is his father. you know, he comes back and kills the emperor, like bam, like the the main plot points. And so I was like, this is like a star Wars movie for me. I get to go see it.
00:05:16
Speaker
And like, I just remember loving all three of those movies. And it wasn't until like, so like, a few years after the after Revenge of the Sith came out and you got like a little bit older and like that, that that was like what, 2005, I think. Yeah.
00:05:34
Speaker
So that was like right when I was getting into high school. And that's right when like Facebook and social media started to come around. And I was like, that's when started. I was like, oh, like people kind of hate these. I'm like, and then that's why I kind of like started to like get into like, i I, it's weird that like, that's when I started like get into like the community aspect of star Wars and start to analyze like star Wars more than just like just a movie and seeing it as like an experience and seeing it as like the, the soul and the lore of it all, you know?
00:06:10
Speaker
Yeah, I feel you. See, I'm kind of in between you guys in age. I was born in 86, so I didn't get to catch the original run of anything. But i remember i was in kindergarten, and this always stuck in my mind.
00:06:24
Speaker
i had a kid in and my class whose name was Luke. Well, we ended up getting a student teacher who would come in and call, and he just started calling him Luke Skywalker. and we're all like, what the hell are you talking about?
00:06:39
Speaker
you know just You know, we're all little kids. We don't know it anyway. And then, I don't know, a few years later, a kid moved into town and he kind of was into it. So that got me into watching it. And my parents bought me the VHS set the of the original three, which I still have at home.
00:07:01
Speaker
And that got me into it. And then what really got me into it was when George Lucas re-released them into theaters, you know, a special edition once.
00:07:12
Speaker
And my mom took me to the first one. And then it really sticks my mind a lot because then my mom got diagnosed with cancer. So while she was doing that, the three movies were getting released and while she was feeling good, that was our way to go to the theater. And she took me to see all three of them into the theater.
00:07:33
Speaker
And don't worry, it's not a sad story. She's still alive and kicking and a pain in my ass. So it was just, at the time it was a, it was a a situation where you didn't know what was going to happen and all that. So she just wanted to take us, you know, here and there. And then, so that got me into it. And then when I hit,
00:07:54
Speaker
I never got to see the prequels in theaters because I was in that awkward time where I was just, I think the first one came out in 2001. So I was like a sophomore in high school and then, you know, so on. So I was in high school, I was doing stuff in high school. I wasn't able to go to the movie theaters as much, you know, ah ah so it was just one of those things I didn't get to do.
00:08:17
Speaker
But then when I hit college and had downtime between the drinking and the classes and all that other stuff, you know I was able to sit down and watch the movies. And Dan, I've told you this story before that a buddy of mine bought Revenge of the Sith the day it came out, watched it gave it to me and said, you've got to watch this.
00:08:37
Speaker
And I sit there and I missed a class because I had to watch it twice.
00:08:42
Speaker
So that really got me into it. And then another reason with the downtime, I got into the book. So it got me into the expanded universe. I've read all the books, the video games. I've played a lot of the video games. So it just sucked me in, the culture and all that. And i take my – I know it's a fictional universe and all that, but I take my Star Wars very seriously, and I don't like people messing
Favorite Star Wars Media
00:09:06
Speaker
with it. So we'll get into that part of the conversation later on.
00:09:10
Speaker
So with all the that kind of leads into a little bit with all the media that is out there now for Star Wars between the video games, the book series, TV shows, the movies, what is what has been your favorite parts of it so far? And whoever wants to take it first can take it first. But what have been your favorite parts of the Star Wars universe so far?
00:09:35
Speaker
I mean, is it is it is it too early to say that Andor was like one of the best things? i i i i i I absolutely loved everything about both seasons of Andor. i thought i thought everything they did with it was really well done. I think the way that they not only just...
00:10:02
Speaker
immersed you in the universe itself with the way that it was shot. And they did it was just clear that this was not this was not the the sequel people that were trying to know,
00:10:19
Speaker
you know Flash bang, you know, throw a bunch of crap at you like bang, bang, bang, shoot, blazer, blazer, blazer, bullet, bullet, bullet, gun, you know, kind of thing. And, and, you know, like this is Star Wars, right? Like everything is, is quick, flashy.
00:10:33
Speaker
Like it was like, no, like Star Wars is just, you want to be in the universe and we're going to pull you into this world. And they did it so well. And, know,
00:10:44
Speaker
The best part about it was that it wasn't even like Star Wars people like Tony Gilroy is like famously not even like a huge Star Wars fan. And he was able to pull us anybody, a Star Wars fan, non Star Wars fan into this into the Star Wars universe so well and tell this story in the universe that, yeah, it was just it was such it was so it was so well done that it was like has nothing to do really with like the I mean, obviously has something to do with a lot of the the whole overall story, but like it's it's so separated from like the Skywalker saga itself.
00:11:29
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The fact that it works so well, I think, like really puts it puts it on another tier. So and or for me is like. God level Star Wars.
00:11:41
Speaker
James, what about you? what's What's been so far with all the stuff that's out there been your favorite part of Star Wars? Well, to speak to some of Dan's points real quick, I think he touched on something I think is going to be important for the Star Wars universe going forward, and that's let's see some stuff outside of the Skywalker story. you know it's ah It's an immensely huge universe. let's Let's see if we can keep the magic going and and kind of get away from that. But I'm a huge fan of Andor too, but I think that the, you know, when you ask what my favorite or most important part is, i would have to say that that would be the most magical for me. And the most magical phase of Star Wars for me was before the prequels came out.
00:12:26
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And when you had the original trilogy and the expanded universe books, and there was so little to go on that,
00:12:37
Speaker
the magic was in the fact that you had to use your imagination to fill in all the blanks and there were a ton of blanks. So like you would hear, gosh, one snippet of dialogue about the clone wars and you had hours upon hours just to think what, what were the clone wars? And just to do that. And then like,
00:12:57
Speaker
I'm pretty sure the heir to the empire trilogy came out before the prequels. but things like that, you know, they expanded on that clone wars idea and like the dark empire comics from dark horse.
00:13:09
Speaker
it just, it, it further flushed out that mythology, but still left enough room to, let you and your imagination run, run crazy. And then when the prequels came out, it kind of, uh,
00:13:22
Speaker
Filled in a few blanks, but then you know as Disney gets a hold of it- A few too many blanks. Disney get a hold of it. and And yeah, I love Andor. They've done a lot of cool stuff that I've really enjoyed, but they are filling in all the blanks and it's like they're leaving nothing to the imagination. And to me, that was the most magical part of Star Wars was to all you could sit around and daydream about, you know and like that's that's going away.
00:13:48
Speaker
yeah
Critiques of Star Wars Sequels
00:13:48
Speaker
and And that was one of the things that I hated about when Disney bought the the rights to Star Wars and Lucasfilm was all that stuff that they did. where They just said, nope, we don't want it anymore.
00:14:00
Speaker
It's null and void. yeah And it was like, yeah man, there's so many great stories that you could use. and And luckily, like Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni have been reaching into it and say, all right, we're going to pull this out of there. We're going to pull that of there. We're not going to completely erase everything, but there's just so many great stories that were in the expanded universe. And I agree, James.
00:14:22
Speaker
I always tell people, and one of these days I am, I'm gonna take a picture of it, but I have shelves over here that have the whole expanded universe novel set from beginning to end. i you know Hundreds of dollars were spent on it, time searching for the damn books and all that. And I've read them all.
00:14:40
Speaker
I loved them all. and that and There's just so many great stories. And there's some weaker stories. And there's some ones that's like, nah, there I'm glad they got rid of that one or they got rid of that set or whatever. But there's other ones in there that really, really were great. And I would have loved to see them incorporate a lot of that into what they're doing now. But I understand it from Disney's point that they wanted to make their own stories and make their own universes and stuff like that.
00:15:09
Speaker
So now this is going to be the flip side of it. what's been your little And before I do that, I have still yet to see all of Andor.
00:15:19
Speaker
I tried to get through the the first season, and I just i struggled with it. I don't know what it was that I struggled with. i just I had a hard time connecting with it.
00:15:32
Speaker
and so obviously since I didn't finish the first season I haven't touched the second season so I don't know it's really weird because I did like Rogue One so it's really weird that I can't get into Andor as much but you know maybe I'll have to sit down here pretty quick and and try to did you at least get to the Narkina five like arc where he goes to to prison in this first season the last episode that I watched they had just like escaped from prison Okay.
00:16:01
Speaker
Okay. So is that that that's when it that's when it hooked me. Okay. Yeah. I got to that point. And it it was, I mean, having Andy Serkis and it are certain, yeah, however you pronounce his last name was great and all that. I just, like I said, for some reason I was having a hard time connecting with and or storyline and it was just, I don't know what it is, but wasn't able to connect with it like I was other things.
00:16:30
Speaker
So now this is going to come up with my other question. What's been your least favorite thing about all the stuff in star Wars at the moment? Since Dan took it first last time, James, how about you take this one this time? We and might all agree on it. Yeah, I don't know. I know this is a hot-button topic, but my least favorite and the experiential side of it was The Last Jedi.
00:16:56
Speaker
And and there there are some parts I appreciate about it, but i it's kind of there's a lot of background ideas behind this. and And the first, I remember seeing the prequels at the theaters. I would stand in the line, the magic was still there, everybody's dressed up, you know, long lines.
00:17:15
Speaker
And i had I had issues with the prequels. and And a lot of that just boils down to, you see a lot of people object about the prequels and the response. I think even George Lucas's response was, I'm sorry, you got disappointed by a kid's movie. Like, and and yeah, he, you got to remember that's his audience. And and yes,
00:17:33
Speaker
I can let a lot in the prequels slide. My problem with the prequels was it, it was almost, I felt like it was written by someone who didn't know the original story. Like, but I was like, I know George Lucas wrote this, but you know, when Obi-Wan says, I knew your father and he was already a good pilot when I met him, I don't think anyone who heard that would have thought, oh, maybe he was just like a seven year old boy who was a pod racer. Like, like it was like, Lucas, you, you remember your own story. Right. And like, uh, that kind of thing.
00:18:03
Speaker
I just, those those were my issues, but I can get past them. I never felt any disappointment watching a Star Wars movie, even with the prequels and and even Force Awakens. Yeah, it was A New Hope redone, but it I was still like that. You know, I saw it like two or three times in the theaters because it was just that Star Wars world back on the big screen, you know, and I was happy to see it and excited. But I remember when I saw Last Jedi, I felt this weird feeling when I saw Leia you know, Mary Poppins-ing through the space, and and, you know, just there were things I was like, what is this weird feeling? And then it ended, and I walked out in the theater, and me and my walk wife are walking to the car, and I'm like, I don't know what's wrong right now. And it took me about a day or two to realize I'm feeling disappointment, a feeling I've never felt with Star Wars. I couldn't identify it.
00:18:53
Speaker
i I'd never linked those two things together, disappointment and Star Wars, and I didn't know how to handle it. But the The issues are, you know, I I ah surprisingly wasn't that disappointed with Luke Skywalker's arc.
00:19:08
Speaker
my My main issue was the whole movie was essentially a car chase in space. They built up Finn and Poe and those guys as their story arc went nowhere. They basically made them war criminals responsible for killing thousands of people because they disobeyed orders and did what they wanted. And then it didn't even work in the end.
00:19:29
Speaker
So Poe and Finn are like murderers of thousands of of rebels. And, you know, it's just like a giant spaceship chase in slow motion. I was like, this is terrible.
00:19:40
Speaker
And then the law that brought the larger issue of the sequels to bear for me is that I like when someone tells a story that they know how it's going to end. And to to take such a huge franchise and say, okay, I'm going to tell episode, you know, shoot, seven or whatever.
00:19:59
Speaker
and And then just let you take it. And I don't know where it's going to go. And it's like, you guys. So Rian Johnson just kills off the main villain and and wraps a ton of stuff up in in a way that like you're going to need another two or three movies now. And it just, yeah it was a wreck. It was a wreck. So that and it that was my initial, that's my least favorite because that started my dissatisfaction with some of the Star Wars stuff going on.
00:20:27
Speaker
Dan? He sounds just like me, doesn't he? Because that was the exact same wording that I used when Dan did a show where they did a rewatch of the Star Wars movies, and I was on The Last Jedi one. And the whole Leia doing the Mary Poppins is word for word what I said on that.
00:20:48
Speaker
I don't know. yeah And the novel explains that. the novel i read the novel of the the novelization. And in it, she learns how to do this trick from Luke where she can suspend her body. And like they explain it. And I'm like, if they had done that in the movie, it would have made more sense. But she just randomly is like out dead in space and is like you know just saunters back into the spaceship and it came from nowhere and I'm like what in the world because it's it's even like a bigger F you to the audience because everyone knows Carrie Fisher dies like shes she's dead and you think okay this is how they're like okay it's a little unceremonious but like this is how they're gonna take care of it and you're like okay like there there she is like there there's our princess and then it's eyes open you know you can fly you can fly
00:21:39
Speaker
It's awkward. It took me out of the experience. You know, when you see a Star Wars movie, you're soaking up every minute. And when that happened, I thought, what am i watching? And it created this further layer of detachment and it i'd ruin ruined everything for me.
00:21:55
Speaker
All right, Dan, I imagine your sentiments are going to be pretty similar to that one. So what what has been your least so far of the... I've got i've got three for words for you Somehow Palpatine returned.
00:22:15
Speaker
Yeah, i so I had an interesting experience with this movie because. So my so like I said, my birthday, my birthday is at the very end of the year, December 30th.
00:22:28
Speaker
and this movie, that movie came out in 2019, like near Christmas time. And my whole family was to get, we were, we were together, in Columbus, Ohio for a wedding, like around the same time at Christmas or was for new year's.
00:22:47
Speaker
And so we were there a couple days early. I'm like, well, it's my guys. Cause it's my birthday. I want to go to I want to just do like the you know, the like the movie theater experience where you go and like you order like a real like the dinner in the big comfy chair.
00:23:01
Speaker
I'm going to go see the last you know, this is the last Skywalker Star Wars movie like everyone. I know not everyone's a Star Wars fan. Like, just come with me. Let's go see this movie like undo it.
00:23:11
Speaker
And everyone's like, OK, Dan, like, yeah, let's go do it. So and we go see this movie and kind of the same thing with James kind of like sitting there. And I was more like kind of coming to grips with the fact that it was the last movie, you know, like you're just kind of like that was it.
00:23:30
Speaker
there's There's no there's no there's no do overs after you're not expecting any do overs after this. Fast forward like four or five months after that, we're in the thick of covid.
00:23:43
Speaker
And I remember sitting in in this house this house that we were we were kind of like cloistering in for a month or two at the very beginning, the worst part of like COVID.
00:23:56
Speaker
And you know it's it's a northern Michigan winter, so it's like bleak. It's like you're on Hoth. like it's It's this terrible you know winter out. I just remember looking out the window, and this stray thought came through my mind. I'm like...
00:24:11
Speaker
The last movie I ever see in a movie theater may have been The Rise of Skywalker. And it was the most depressing thought I'd had since the start of COVID. Just like, kind of like, joe like kind of what you're saying. It was like the epitome of just the like the biggest problem with the sequel trilogy was...
00:24:33
Speaker
There's no continuity in the story. One person wants to tell the story. Then it's this person telling the story. Then it's the next person telling this story. And I felt like the Rise of Skywalker one.
00:24:46
Speaker
Was just there was. There was no. what What was what was the. Can anyone tell me what the like. final thing was like outside of palp like it was like you had to invent palpatine out of nowhere because you didn't have anything yeah you you got like like you said james like you got rid of your big bad in yeah and uh in the the the previous one so you had to invent this whole other thing out of literal thin air and
00:25:21
Speaker
And so it's it's not earned. And then half of the set pieces when they go to I forget the the name of the planet where they they're having the hundred year celebration and they they and then all of a sudden Lando is just there out out of nowhere.
00:25:38
Speaker
And then then there's the whole thing about like, they're trying to create tension between Poe and Finn because like, you were a Spice Runner? ah ah okay like Oh, Poe, Poe, Runner of Spice.
00:25:49
Speaker
And it's like, none of this seems earned. it's it felt like It all felt like, yeah the whole movie felt like a bad improv movie. And I'm like, this was the...
00:26:01
Speaker
this was the signature This was the final line in the story of the Skywalker saga. Yeah. And you did it in crayon, like with backwards letters and stuff like that.
00:26:18
Speaker
I'm like,
Discussing the Skywalker Saga's Conclusion
00:26:18
Speaker
wow. Like, I literally, like the like, a couple weeks ago, I tried to, you know, they have the, they had for a while there on Disney Plus, they had, like, the the stream, like, the 24-hour stream. though They're just playing, like, everything in continuous order.
00:26:31
Speaker
And they had that on. And it was, like, right at the beginning, i'm like, you know, i maybe I just give it a chance again. i haven't seen it in a long time. i got, like, halfway through, and I'm like, no, I was right.
00:26:42
Speaker
I was right. This is terrible. And you see, I kind of love, Yeah, it was. It was a cleanup job. I kind of liked Rise of Skywalker way more than I liked Last Jedi.
00:26:53
Speaker
And it's not because... I mean, I get what you're saying with that, Dan, is it's all... But the thing about the whole Palpatine return is they did that in the Expanded Universe.
00:27:05
Speaker
There was this whole thing about the Palpatine was trying to clone himself, trying to be the Eternal. so But like you guys have said, there's no continuity between any of the three movies.
00:27:18
Speaker
And there was no explaining, okay, well, you know that it would have been different had in Last Jedi, you know they killed Snoke, and then all of a sudden you see Snoke walk through the door again.
00:27:33
Speaker
Right. that That would have explained a little bit of it because, okay, this is a clone, but who's he a clone of? And then that could have been explained a little bit in and Rise of Skywalker. Okay, you see Kylo walking through the vats of of clones and you can see the progression of, well, that looks like Snoke.
00:27:54
Speaker
Well, that looks more like this or that looks more like that. And that that would have been able to set up the progression a little bit better. My problem with, and I agree with all you all of what you guys said, this is pretty much the worst part of Star Wars is them trying to force the ending of the Skywalker saga.
00:28:19
Speaker
And that's basically what it was. It was a forced way of doing things. they They were like, okay, well, you know, these guys are getting too old to be playing this stuff. We want to have our own versions of these guys going forward to make our own movies.
00:28:33
Speaker
We're gonna end it. And they did it in the most obvious way, the obvious way they were going to do it just by killing them all off. Because then they knew fans were gonna be like, well, we can't beg for them to bring them back because you know we visibly saw them die.
00:28:52
Speaker
there's no way you can bring them back. You know,
Opinions on Other Star Wars Media
00:28:54
Speaker
the old Marvel thing that if there's no body, there's no death or even star Wars, no body, no death. I mean, they brought Darth Maul back like a hundred different times and different things. So, he's on Darth Maul now.
00:29:07
Speaker
Yes. you can And the original voice for him, uh, from the cartoon, Sam Witwer is going to be coming back and doing one. I don't know what the premise is of it, but it should be pretty good.
00:29:20
Speaker
But, Yeah. and the And I just was thinking about this. They were trying to create, recreate the original three from the OG trilogy.
00:29:35
Speaker
If you think about it, Rey, Luke, Po, Han. Finn is the hard one to throw out there. You know, is he more of a Lando? Is he more of a this? Is he more of a that?
00:29:50
Speaker
But your two basic ones, lay Ray is your Luke and Poe is your haunt. My biggest problem with all these movies is all the cheesy-ass humor that they tried to force in there.
00:30:06
Speaker
Yeah. you You had your humor in the original movies, but it was a subtle humor. It wasn't like this out there forced in trying to make a joke where, you know...
00:30:19
Speaker
oh In Force Awakens between Poe and and Kylo, it's, well, am I supposed to talk first or you supposed to talk first? how are we supposed to do this? Okay, what?
00:30:33
Speaker
and then And then the second one, before the whole Mary Poppins thing, it was the Poe doing the prank phone call to the other ship just to buy time.
00:30:45
Speaker
I swear, I was in the theater for all three of them. And for The Last Jedi, I think the people around me thought I was having a religious movement. Because every other minute it was like, Jesus fucking Christ.
00:30:58
Speaker
What the hell is going on? oh i mean And I don't ever talk at movies. That's why I hate going to theaters is because I don't want people talking while I'm trying to watch a movie. Yeah.
00:31:12
Speaker
and just with all three of them it was the same thing what the is going on what the hell is this shit on the screen you're meaning i'm paid all this money for this it makes me feel awkward talking about it i do
00:31:28
Speaker
all can i say can i say runner runner up If you were saying disappointing, the one of the worst Star Wars things I've ever seen, and I can't call it disappointing because I don't know if I had high expectations for it.
00:31:42
Speaker
The Acolyte was one of the worst. I don't know how you guys that I know that's a bit of a hot button issue in the community about, you know, it i i I just was so not into that. And I i thought it was a real misfire. And I know, you know, the complexion of this phone call might make us look like we have ah ah certain opinions about that show. But I thought i thought from just say like ah like a pure story standpoint, I was just like, this
00:32:16
Speaker
sucks like i i'm not invested in this at all like and i'm like none of it really tracks none of it makes sense i'm like like and so like i can't i couldn't call it a disappointment because i wasn't like super like jazzed about it you know but like ah ah like in terms of like things i really didn't enjoy accolade is like one i will just never imagine going back to revisit You know, I think a a big part of that, and I agree with you, is just boring and a misfire.
00:32:47
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But for me, a big reason of that is I've lost all respect for the Jedi. And so like when your heroes are like all Jedi, it's like they're just a bunch, they're this authoritarian cult. and And most of it, the plot has to do with, you know, one of the Jedi disobeying or like trying to weasel out of the cult like, you know, tendencies of the Jedi. And it's like,
00:33:08
Speaker
It's just boring to me. I don't, I don't invest anything into the characters. Cause I'm like, you probably deserve to get taken down. you know
00:33:16
Speaker
and and And I was right in the end. He, the dude let one of them fall into the fire. Like it was, right I think my biggest, and I didn't really have that bad of opinion of acolyte. I mean, obviously it wasn't like my favorite thing in the world, right but I think my biggest problem was, is they made you feel invested in this character.
00:33:37
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only to within like two seconds of them dying. i And it just, it was like, well, then why do I want to invest myself into another character if the next thing I know you're just going to kill them?
00:33:51
Speaker
I mean, to give them- They really leaned on Carrie Ann Moss and she was in it for like all of 15 minutes. Right. And when they built up that and i don't i don't remember the name because it's been so long since I watched it, but the one Padawan the the the like the pasty greenish padawan i kept leaning into her too like okay you're gonna be following her because she's she's having and the next thing you know she's dead it's like yeah what so and you know why am i getting invested in these characters but on the other hand you know i thought the the fight sequences were some of the most amazing things i've seen some of the character
00:34:40
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building, even though the, the, the finish of the characters weren't great, the building of the characters I thought were pretty solid. I think the biggest problem with the Acolyte was they planned on having more than one series.
00:34:54
Speaker
They planned on having multiple seasons to this show. So they were setting things up for the next season only for it to be pulled out from underneath them.
00:35:06
Speaker
Obviously they were bringing play just in, obviously they were bringing Yoda in, obviously they were doing all this stuff, but they never got to finish it. Which I would love to see. Like I, I found the villain really compelling. I enjoyed him.
00:35:20
Speaker
he, he was cool and, and I, I would love to see Pelagius and and all that develop, but man, they just really blew it on the storyline on the main story. And, I have an unpopular opinion probably, but i man, I really did not enjoy skeleton crew.
00:35:35
Speaker
Really? watched it yet. Yeah. Yep. Didn't enjoy it a bit. i watched all of it because it's star Wars and I make myself, even if I don't like it, but, uh, yeah, I came out the end of the only part I liked with the whole show is where that kid tries to light the lights, ignite the lightsaber.
00:35:53
Speaker
I have not been able to get to it yet. uh i i have like a long list of things that i need to watch and i just i i keep putting them off because every time i every time i go to sit down to watch it something happens so usually i watch something while invest my gaming time well i haven't had much of my gaming time lately because of things at work where i'm working longer hours or more days and stuff so i haven't been able to watch a lot of things but yeah my unpopular opinion and might not be so unpopular
00:36:23
Speaker
is i hated the idea of solo now it ended up being an all right movie but i thought it would be better as a separate entity instead of trying to be the backstory of a main character if that kind of makes sense if it had not been that it was the han solo backstory i think it could have been a lot better but I think they were trying to force too much into the background of Han Solo.
00:36:53
Speaker
And obviously and we're all used to Harrison Ford being Han Solo that it felt really weird trying to get into this other guy being Han Solo. So even though the movie was decent, i so I still had a hard time with it because I was like, man, i just I don't know if I can get into having somebody else be Han Solo after years of Harrison Ford.
00:37:20
Speaker
So that's my kind of back thing, but ah ah i want to do a hypothetical here. Well, I'll be doing a lot of hypothetical because we're talking about a hypothetical frigging universe. But if you could go back, let's say you had the power, the, the, uh, uh, you had somebody's ear in the whole situation.
00:37:45
Speaker
You know, everything that went down afterwards. If you could, would you go back and talk George Lucas out of selling to Disney? Or would you still let that process go through?
00:38:00
Speaker
I know it's a hard question because I thought of it and I was like, man, I don't know what my answer would be. Because obviously if he didn't sell to Disney, do we still get Mandalorian? Do we still get you know, like Dan, your guys' is and, or do we still get all this other stuff on top of the crap that we got?
00:38:20
Speaker
Do we get something else or do we never get anything ever again?
00:38:24
Speaker
So whoever wants to take it first, cause I know you're both deep in thought right now. I don't think Luke, I mean, Lucas is not, uh, prolific. Like, uh, there's a good chance we would have not, we would have gotten nothing else, uh, after the prequels. Uh,
00:38:41
Speaker
but you know, it just goes back to like what you want to keep. Uh, there's a lot of stuff that Disney has done that I, I would hate to get rid of.
00:38:51
Speaker
solo is a guilty pleasure of mine when I want to watch, it's like a favorite because it's like when I want to watch something star Wars ish, but don't want to engage or pay close attention, I can run that.
00:39:04
Speaker
And it's just like star Wars in the background. And, uh, I really, it's, I acknowledge everything you say about Solo is true, but it's a guilty pleasure that I can press play anytime. I've probably watched it more than any other Disney thing, just because it's so easy to- Don't get me wrong, I've watched it and whenever it's been on TV, you know, I'll just pop it on or whatever to have a background, but it just, it it didn't live up to my, um i i was a dis I was disappointed in it, just because I thought that had it not been han Solo, it could have been a better movie.
00:39:35
Speaker
Not a
George Lucas and Disney's Influence
00:39:36
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diehard fan of it, but I did enjoy Ahsoka. I loved Kenobi. I really loved Kenobi. So yeah, I would hate to jettison those things, but if I did have that power, I would go back and just stop George from making the prequels too and just have that isolated, tiny little... I'm an ultra fundamentalist, ultra orthodox Star Wars fan. This is the way. Yeah.
00:40:07
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's interesting for me because like you know like i said, i I grew up like like liking Star Wars, like the idea of Star Wars, but never like really investing fully in Star Wars until I kind of became like almost an adult. you know And so i i kind of like was a late bloomer coming into it.
00:40:30
Speaker
And so i I personally really love Wars. this current environment that we're in with Disney because you know I'm getting to experience all of these things you know live I'm you know like like everything that was going on with Andor everything that that first season of Mandalorian i'm not sure like there's you know a a time period that we're gonna like kind of recapture with star wars like in that like that was kind of a unique star wars moment where like that was the first that was the first like disney star wars like tv show and and it just kicked so much ass in the first season and everyone was connected like you know and it was like oh like this can work
00:41:15
Speaker
Disney can make a Star Wars thing that's not just a crappy two and a half hour movie, you know, with lightsabers, you know? And, you know, I'll i'll say this too. i'm I'm curious what James has to think about this too. It's like, I've got ah a son that's three and a half. He's literally right downstairs right now watching Tales of the Jedi.
00:41:33
Speaker
yeah the Disney, plot you know, the Disney show about, about Jedi. And he, he runs around, you know, like, ah like we go to the park and he's like, come on, dad, like we're Jedi.
00:41:45
Speaker
Like we're going to find like bad guys. Like we got to find pirates and you know, like this is my lightsaber. And it's like, you know, you know, we we get a lot of we get a lot of crap.
00:41:57
Speaker
You know, there's going to be like so there's going to be a lot of Book of Boba Fett's that come out with it. Yeah, you know, or but, you know, there's there's now there's now a lot more.
00:42:11
Speaker
entryways for more fans to jump into this universe. Yeah. And specifically for my son, there are earlier entryways for him to jump into the Star Wars universe where now we have to make the differentiator when he asked to watch Jedi.
00:42:32
Speaker
Is it Howie Jedi or Daddy Jedi? Because it's like, do you want to watch like my Jedi or your Jedi? Because he'll sit and watch like the first half of Phantom Menace because it's got so many bright lights and it's got a lot of colors on it and stuff.
00:42:46
Speaker
And it's like, there, you know, there's just so much more there's because of the content net out there. It's a wider berth for more fans to find entryways in there.
00:42:56
Speaker
And some of it might be bad, but I think it can't be. It's got to be a net positive for more fans to jump into this universe with us.
00:43:08
Speaker
Yeah, my my son's three and he hasn't hit the Star Wars phase yet. He's still stuck on Spider-Man, but my ah My My oldest is 12, and she when she was about six or seven, her first exposure to Star Wars was the Rebels cartoon.
00:43:25
Speaker
She just started watching it one day, and she got into it, and she would watch it. She, you know, just dedicated. And then one morning, I wake up, and she's having, like, a panic attack. She's, like, breaking down in tears. I'm like, what's wrong?
00:43:37
Speaker
She said, Kanan just died, you know, and, like, you know she's going through the whole drama of it and she hasn't seen the original trilogy or the prequels or any anything this is her first star wars experience and i'm like it's so cool like you said all these points of entry for for folks to get into star wars now and rebels was her original star wars thing and that's so cool that's really cool yeah she was tore up oh man i can only imagine now i will say that for rise of skywalker there there's i I admit this.
00:44:09
Speaker
I'm a man. i know we're not supposed to shed tears and stuff like that, but I was having a rough time of it. Seeing how they sent Carrie Fisher out hit me, but I was also going through a ton of emotions because the week before I lost my grandfather.
00:44:27
Speaker
So i was already going through a ton of emotions and then all of a sudden seeing the way they they sent Carrie Fisher out, I i was just like...
00:44:39
Speaker
you were You were fine until you saw Chewie react. Pretty much. And then him actually getting his medal. And I was just like, oh my God, I can't do this anymore.
00:44:52
Speaker
and But you know I struggled with this question a lot because a lot of like what you guys said, we would you know would we have something like the Mandalorian? Would we have this? would we My only hope would be is it would open his eyes to say, all right, Dave, Dave Filoni, you've been my right-hand man for eons now.
00:45:16
Speaker
It's your turn to take this thing and run with it. Yeah. And that would be my only hope is if if he didn't sell to Disney, he would just turn everything over to Filoni.
00:45:27
Speaker
you know Take a step back, be the, you know he could be executive producer for everything, you know have his name still slapped on it and just let Filoni take over. And
Hypotheticals and Sith Lore
00:45:36
Speaker
with that, I would hope we would still be able to get some of the things. you know Maybe it wouldn't be the Mandalorian we see now, but it would be something similar.
00:45:45
Speaker
Maybe it wouldn't be the Rebels we saw at that time. It would be something similar, but you know who knows? But that would be my only hope. I wouldn't go back and erase the prequels. I really wouldn't.
00:45:57
Speaker
Even though they weren't the greatest in the world, I still liked the Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith was me perfection. i just i It just cinched everything up so perfectly.
00:46:09
Speaker
it it may The only thing that with Revenge of the Sith that kind of ruined the OG trilogy was the whole when Luke is asking Leia about her mother and You know, what do you remember about your mother?
00:46:24
Speaker
Well, how do you remember that when you just fresh out of the womb? And I, I, you know, that kind of ruined that, but you know, I wish he would have changed a little bit on it.
00:46:36
Speaker
ah you know, obviously there's a lot of things with the, the prequels that could have been changed, but I wouldn't go that far back to stop anything, but, but I would like to see, I would like to see the universe. If a Dave Filoni took over instead of a Disney,
00:46:52
Speaker
taking over but help us obi-wan feloni
00:46:58
Speaker
and i mean you look at it now and he's pretty much running a lot of the stuff as is and everything him and favreau have done i mean i know ahsoka wasn't the greatest in the world but it was still better than some of the other stuff that we've got and i liked it i thought it was cool see uh ezra too that was really cool right and i i do have to say this i wish they would have picked somebody else other than rosario dawson as ahsoka and it's not that she's a badass soka it's just i've seen her in too many things that it's like it's hard yeah in yeah it hurts me it's hard for me to envision i mean like one of my favorite movies in the world is clerks too and she's yeah one of the stars of clerks too it's like huh
00:47:42
Speaker
but No, there are there ares some really good things in Ahsoka. And like I said, i'm not a super fan of it, but I like it. i don't have any complaints. Well, that's like a lot of people are down on Book of Boba Fett and it's like, well, I didn't mind it.
00:47:56
Speaker
You know, it may not be the greatest thing and in the world for me, but, you know, obviously the last few episodes were rough because it was just basically should have been the Mandalorian. season 3.5 or whatever. That's the thing. like To me, it just had no point. It was a story that wasn't worth telling. It was like, Boba Fett shows up and yeah gets a job running, Jabba's whole place. And it's like, boom, end of story. But then like the only parts I liked were when The Mandalorian showed up and became The Mandalorian.
00:48:28
Speaker
well i did like the fact in book of boba fett that it showed him escaping the sarlacc it showed him how he survived and all that stuff the other side point of it is him becoming the new boss and all that yeah that was kind of out there but he had to have a purpose i guess and and scooter bike we're going to talk about that and that was i don't think no but never again although swoop bikes is another thing from the eu they just really kind of went nuts with them and the design of them so yeah
00:49:04
Speaker
let's do there's a big american graffiti feel to the uh yeah the scooter bikes so i i wanna if you were to fall into the star wars universe today
00:49:18
Speaker
What would your preferred... don't want to say profession because a lot of the things weren't really professions, but what would you want to be in the Star Wars universe? Would you want to be a Jedi?
00:49:31
Speaker
Would you want to be a Sith? Would you want to be a politician, a spice runner? you know What would it would you want to be in the Star Wars universe?
00:49:42
Speaker
I know I came up with some deep questions on this one, so... I had a short amount of time with you guys. I had to come up with something good for this. Okay. I've ive i got exactly. i know exactly what i I've got.
00:49:55
Speaker
This is such a specific moment. You're going to be Dex, aren't you? The the in the the the first that that chase scene in attack of the clones where they're trying to chase down the assassin yeah and they go into like the sports like basically a intergalactic sports bar
00:50:28
Speaker
i want to I want to run that. I want to live on Coruscant. Because like this is a this isn't... like any Any business or anything like that in Star Wars is not like... You're not like some manager at BW3s where you're like running front of house, back of house bullshit. like If you have a bar or cantina or something like that on Coruscant,
00:50:51
Speaker
You're basically like living. you're You're basically like one step below a politician. You're a suit. You're probably like a pseudo mob boss. And like, I'm probably running like an illegal gambling scheme out of the back of that.
00:51:06
Speaker
I'm running death sticks out of the front. And like, that's what I want to do. I want to live. i want to live on Coruscant. I want to live like just below the love, like just below the level of, you know, legality and some kind of business and and live my life there.
00:51:24
Speaker
That's what I want to do. i I didn't think about that one, but yeah, that would be pretty solid. James, what about you? What would you want to be in the Star Wars? I was really shocked that you didn't say you wanted something to do with force powers because, you know, that's the obvious answer for most people. But James, what about you?
00:51:42
Speaker
i i want to be a Jedi. And... I want to I would, uh, be a Jedi reformer. I would, uh, cause Jedis are the biggest hypocrites of all time.
00:51:53
Speaker
Uh, so I would reform the order and, and try to, uh, uh, get them to withdraw from politics and political activities, which is an attachment to changing things. And, uh, I would try to be as much like Yoda in a hut on Dagobah as possible.
00:52:09
Speaker
Yeah. And I really struggled with this one too. Cause it's like, i want to be a jedi because i've always you know i said when i was a kid there's three things i wanted to be either one to be a ghostbuster i either wanted to be a teenage mutant ninja turtle or i wanted to be a jedi and obviously i'm not a turtle so that didn't happen and you know i do like paranormal stuff but i didn't become a buster but uh i struggle with that as an adult because it's like i would use the force as ah ah to do bad things. You know, I'd be walking in the bank.
00:52:41
Speaker
You will hand me your money. You will take your top off. You know, the whole fan voice thing. You will take your top off. I just wish there was like a a level of like, because all dark side users, they always, the trajectory is always like Palpatine level evil and decay. And it's like, what if you could just stop at a certain level of like, you know, things like that and just not go full killing youngling. Like basically like I know he wasn't, I know he wasn't actually like a force user, but like Kumail Nanjiani's character in Kenobi where like he's like pretending to be a Jedi. Like if I like that, that's okay. Like if you could like basically use your like force powers to just kind of like trick people and be like kind of a bit of an asshole.
00:53:30
Speaker
Yeah.
00:53:32
Speaker
Yeah. And, and, but, and, uh, But, you know, like Yoda said, you know, once down the dark path, always will you follow. So, I mean, it's hard to, once you, the once you break that wall, it's hard to get back through it, you know, but you get those that's stiff eyeballs though.
00:53:52
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. but
Favorite Star Wars Characters
00:53:54
Speaker
now speaking of sith and i'll mine is obviously going to be some kind of force user i probably wouldn't be a jedi or a sith i would probably be the the one that knows how to use the force but didn't follow kind of like i am now where i believe in a certain thing but i don't follow any specific religion so that would probably be me in the star wars universe where i can use the force but i don't follow any specific uh uh uh you know school of thought on him. But what do you think of the change on what they, how Sith get their lightsaber crystals?
00:54:30
Speaker
Before in like the old expanded universe, it was like a synthetic crystal that had to be created. Now it's you bleed crystal. and And I know that's a big argument with people because, well, with all the killing that Anakin did, why didn't his turn red then? Well, bleeding a crystal is a Disney concept. It wasn't an original Lucas concept. So what do you guys think on that whole thing there?
00:54:57
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James, el of i I guess I hadn't really thought about it.
00:55:01
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I, I guess I, I like the idea of anything, anything with the force going to the dark side of the force. I like that.
00:55:14
Speaker
Anything connected to that being emotionally driven because that's the, that's the whole, you know, you know the whole idea, you know, fear leads to hate, hate leads to anger or what is Haley?
00:55:29
Speaker
Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering or whatever wherever it goes like that. It's it's an emotional path that you go on that leads you on the dark side.
00:55:40
Speaker
You know, it's it's usually it's usually not like a like, oh, I'm going to go on the dark side to make a shit ton of money or something like that. It's an it's an emotional connection to go down.
00:55:51
Speaker
And so I like any I like any idea that keeps the force connected to emotions. OK, I see that I like it.
00:56:03
Speaker
i I like it. I think it's a ah ah cool idea. And it's it's kind of neat to think about too, if you're converting to the dark side, if if you're a Jedi or what have you, and your you're making that slow progression, imagine that moment where like you're previously green or blue, and my kids are yelling in the background, i don't know if you can hear him but where your previously green or blue lightsaber just turns red and you know you've crossed that line.
00:56:30
Speaker
And you are yeah you're there now. there's You're not faking it. like like This is it. like I kind of dig that. And yeah, another example of how some cool things come out of Disney, haven't it?
00:56:42
Speaker
Yeah. and And see, I'm kind of indifferent on it. I kind of understand the reason of the synthetic because you had to build it through the dark side of the force. And you had to use that to only dark side users could create a synthetic crystal.
00:56:57
Speaker
So I kind of appreciate that a little bit more. And that would help explain the whole Anakin situation. You know, okay, well, he didn't get his red crystal until he, you know, delved deep into the dark side and was able to create it.
00:57:10
Speaker
But, you know, I'm kind of indifferent. I can understand it on the other side that you've delved so far into it. You've done enough killing that your lightsaber that's attuned to you...
00:57:23
Speaker
you know becomes that so we're almost to the hour mark i'm going to ask one more question then i'll let you guys go or give you know tell where everybody can find you and all that good stuff who is your favorite character out of all the media that is star wars i'm going to give mine first so that way you guys can think on yours a little bit more there is a video game series called knights of the old republic I fell in love with that game when I was in college.
00:57:54
Speaker
I don't know how many classes I missed playing that game on top of watching Revenge of the Sith. But Darth Revan, well, Revan, I'll call him Revan, has been my favorite character out of everything because he was one of those that was able to fall to the dark side and be redeemed.
00:58:15
Speaker
So we actually got to see the Anakin situation full force where he fell to the dark side. What horrible fate for him though. Yeah, yeah. I didn't like the book.
00:58:26
Speaker
The book really sucked in my eyes. But yeah that was one of the things that I was glad they got rid of out the expanded universe because now I don't have to. and But then again, the whole video game series is out of it.
00:58:38
Speaker
But... favorite storyline and all that stuff that whole storyline arc has been great i wish felonium and i know revan is canon now because he was mentioned in a couple of the cartoons oh cool so i do hope that they that feloni will touch on something with that i when they were talking about how they were going to do at uh a story arc prior to the whole so Skywalker thing.
00:59:07
Speaker
I had hoped it was going to be an old Republic type deal, but didn't end happening. That's my guy, Revan. I love him even above the Skywalkers, man. It would be Revan and then probably Luke, Anakin, and down. but so That gives you guys enough time to think. Who wants to go first and tell me who their favorite out of all the Star Wars media is?
00:59:30
Speaker
Well, i I'm tied, but I think I would pick Obi-Wan Kenobi. he's He's my favorite. I've enjoyed everything about every appearance of his, but it's a close tie with, yeah this is such a traditional answer, but it's a close tie with Luke. I've enjoyed Luke's, like I said, even in Last Jedi, I i didn't mind his story arc. I thought it was pretty cool.
00:59:53
Speaker
If you get past the point, like, would he do that? Would he just withdraw from his friends and stuff? And I think that's debatable. I definitely would not have chosen to written his to write his arc like that. But as it is, it it made sense if you accept that that premise. And it was just is just I just like his whole story.
01:00:15
Speaker
Yeah. Like I said, they it the Skywalkers are up there for me. And even Obi-Wan, because Ewan McGregor was a great Obi-Wan. I mean, I think I liked him as an Obi-Wan better than even Alec Guinness.
01:00:26
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Right? Yeah.
01:00:30
Speaker
All right, Dan, it's your moment. Yeah. mean, i was I was gonna say i had kind of a two part answer to this, like in terms of in terms of like character development and like the character character in the universe.
01:00:48
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It's hard to beat Obi Wan because he was played so well by i McGregor in the prequels. Like he was probably the best character in all of the prequel movies.
01:01:02
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so Outside of... He didn't jar jar out Outside of outside of of of of Palpatine and Insidious, like he he plays he plays it so well.
01:01:15
Speaker
The progression of of where we meet Obi-Wan to where we see him in the kenobi series to where we see him in the original trilogy it just flows seamlessly and there's not a character i don't think there's a character in the whole star wars universe that i think has made that kind of transition between that many eras of like time like not not just like
01:01:47
Speaker
timeline eras, but like physical timeline eras like 70s, 80s to 90s to 2000s. Like that character has transitioned and aged so well that it's it's really hard not to say Obi-Wan.
01:02:04
Speaker
And so I have to agree with James there. But the other one I was going to say, and I'm going to bring this full circle. Diego Luna played and or so well. Like oh yeah it was like,
01:02:18
Speaker
he i just don't know how to say like diego luna played short circuit in your brain it was so good he was like it was just like again it it was like it was a tricky situation with andor because the whole first the whole first season of andor takes place across like maybe a couple of weeks yeah like at the at most a couple of weeks like And then the second season of Andor is basically like ah ah five, it's five years condensed into three, you know the three episode chunks and to show that character progression and to show that as well as he did and to like take to take the character that he played one time in a movie
01:03:11
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which he did really well. Like in Rogue One, he did that so well. And you did that 10 years ago. And then now to bring that back into a show where you're playing the same character, but it's it was a character you played physically 10 years ago.
01:03:29
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And also it's 10 years ago, like or it's like five years ago in his life. And you have to like do you know do all that emotional baggage like to to to build up to the character he was 10 years ago when you played him last time like i think he just did it super well and you know i i was just really moved by the second season of everything that he went through and you're kind of like he's that vision he's that window for the audience to see the atrocities of the empire and what stokes
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01:04:07
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rebellion outside of people that are connected to the force and it's just very powerful to see him emotionally connect to those and you're like you're that audience and he's he's connecting you to it he's gripping you by the hand and pulling you into it and so in terms of like character that i watch play in a star wars thing it's hard to beat diego luna what he did in andor
01:04:31
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Well, fellas, we're a little over an hour, so I'm going to let you guys plug what you got going on. James, you got the Billy the Kid Coalition and all that stuff. You do your once a month. So why don't you tell everybody where you can find where they can find you at?
01:04:45
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Yeah, so I spend most of my time talking about the real world Han Solo, which is Billy the Kid. i do a podcast called Chasing Billy. We do some episodes pre-recorded, but we also do a monthly live show sometimes more when we feel like it. But that's on YouTube. If you just go search Chasing Billy, we'll pop up subscribe and subscribe and check us out. And also pretty vibrant Facebook community with Billy the Kid's Historical Coalition.
01:05:14
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We work to preserve and promote all of that history associated with Billy the Kid. We mark graves that haven't been marked since that time and discover new history and just make sure the known history is preserved.
01:05:28
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And I'm on the board of directors for that nonprofit. And their website's btkcoalition.com. And look us up on Facebook. No, it's not the BTK killer.
01:05:42
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It took me a long time to get over that. But But ah that's how they refer to them. And though I just had to accept it. I couldn't change it. But look us up on Facebook, Billy the Kids Historical Coalition. Join our group. And we have a good time in there, too.
01:05:57
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And I've caught a lot of them and that's how I connected with James and it it is, it's a good, I love their show and what they're doing over there. And like I was talking to them before we started recording, I just finished one of the books that they released and, and I got another one to go. so dan i know you do all kinds of things and i can never keep track of everything so won don't you tell everybody what where they can find you at well i'm taking it taking it pretty easy right now especially with the little the the newborn uh hanging around right now it's mostly just uh mondays on the pack a day podcast
01:06:33
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You can catch me with Monty Moore, Camille Davis. We release episodes every Monday for the Pack of a podcast. If you're not familiar, Green Bay Packers podcast, we release an episode every single day. Monty, Camille and myself release our Monday episodes.
01:06:48
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So we're getting, you know, obviously very close to the start of the NFL season and training camp is coming up soon. So obviously that means we're going to be talking about some stupid stuff coming up to fill time before training camp. So if you're a Packer fan or NFL fan or anything like that, give us a listen. we We have a lot of fun over there.
01:07:08
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And Dan's great. I've known him since the Lombardi bars day. So, you know, they, they, they are pretty knowledgeable with what their stuff is. Well, Most of them are knowledgeable. I mean, they still they still hire Jimmy.
01:07:22
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Yeah, we can. Yeah, ah tax purposes. But yeah, pretty much. you got to. Well, that's the whole ADA compliance. deal Right. Exactly. but but guys that was a great episode i loved it i always i love talking star wars you can find our show anywhere you get your favorite podcast ohana packers edition podcast uh facebook uh instagram elon machine blue sky all that good stuff if you like star wars if you like the packers
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