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Jodie Catches Up With Former MP Jeff Watson
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Jodie is flying solo on this edition of the podcast! Jodie visits with former MP Jeffrey Watson, who served in the Riding of Essex from 2004-2015 under Stephen Harper's Prime Ministership.
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Introduction to 'And Another Thing' Podcast
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And another thing And another thing And another thing
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Welcome to another episode of And Another Thing, the podcast that continues to set the bar in the world of podcasts. My name is Jody Jenkins, and I'm actually on my own today. Tony is out gallivanting across the country, which can only mean one thing.
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that Stephen Harper is traveling somewhere and Tony's following him. So that's clearly what's going on. I know Tony will listen to this and he's probably shaking his head in bewilderment, but I actually don't even
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know where Tony's going. He's traveling a bit and he's back next week. So I'm taking the reins of the program and we have a great guest that we'll get to in a second. But first, as we always do, Tony normally does this part.
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Humorous Wrestling Email Exchange with Steve Paken
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If you are a frequent listener to the show, you know that Steve Paken and I always go back and forth via emails because I say something on the show and I call out Steve Paken and he responds, I ask a question. So I did get a nice email the other day from Mr. Paken and I think it was on wrestling because I asked the question about who was Lord Alfred Hayes.
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And, uh, it's funny. He didn't, he made, it was kind of like a tongue in cheek comment because actually, if I look it up here, let me look it up quickly because the comments he made was, and I'm going to double check this, but the comment he made was, Hey, Jody, I'm not really sure who Lord Alfred Hayes is. I didn't, um, I didn't really watch wrestling. So he obviously.
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He obviously, yeah, I've never heard of Lord Alfred Hayes or whatever his name is. I stopped following wrestling in the days of Haystack, Calhoun and the Sheik. So he knew that it was wrestling. So anyway, I digress, but I'm sure I'll get another email from Steve.
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But yeah, so happy new year to everybody. If you hadn't seen as well, we did almost 100,000 downloads of our show in 2022. So we're pretty proud of that. Show's been on air for three years now. So we're looking to continue to grow that.
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And yeah, that's all I got in terms of the stuff we have to get out of the way for our legal department. And now we're free and clear to be controversial. Okay, so we are excited to welcome...
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Uh, to the program, I think this is his second appearance. He is a former, uh, past member of parliament, uh, for Essex. He is a legend in Canadian politics. He'll laugh probably about that one. Uh, he's already laughing. He is now out in Calgary, Alberta, where he's got a new role that I want to hear all about. Um, and he also has a wonderful.
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hockey connected story that we're going to get him to unpack a little later on as well. And I think it's kind of timely because, um, I mean, this show will be out after the fact, but we are right on the heels of Canada winning gold at the world juniors over Chechnya. Check, check. I screwed up Chechnya. Anyway, I didn't even know there was a place called Chechnya. First of all, so that was new to me during this whole, uh,
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cool
Interview with Jeff Watson
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hockey tournament. But anyway, let's welcome the honorable Mr. Jeff Watson back to the show. Jeff, thanks for doing this. Always pleasure to be here. I thought you would ask me who Lord Alfred Hayes was. I'm old enough to remember back in the day watching Sergeant Slaughter and Nikolai Volkov and others, including Lord Alfred Hayes on the in the squared circle for back when it was called the WWF before the World Wildlife
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foundations sued them, I guess, or at least threatened legal action to get them to change it to WWE. So I'm an old school wrestling fan. Yeah. You know, it's funny. I mean, if I don't know, I mean, I know you're at West now. I don't know how much you used to follow back in the day, but you can, obviously you can interject, but
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There's a program on Crave, an episodic series called Tales from the Territories. It's bankrolled by Dwayne The Rock Johnson's media company called Seven Bucks Productions. But it's a group of guys that did Dark Side of the Ring, which is a wonderful series. If you're a wrestling fan, you definitely got to watch those episodes. So now they're back with Tales from the Territories.
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And they do a big one on the Hart family out west and that territory that Stu Hart ran out there. And it's wild to watch not only that one, but all of them in general. And the way the territory wrestling used to work and the stories, it's just off the charts. Were you a fan of territory wrestling or was WWF the thing for you?
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Oh, I think back in the day, there were all kinds of different wrestling federations that existed. They were regional in nature too. You know, Windsor, Ontario, where I was born and raised. I mean, guys will remember George Cannon and his group that he was a wrestling promoter. And well, I even had a high school
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I even had a high school teacher. He just used to call me whipper Watson after the old wrestler. So I got my first high school nickname from my grade 10 typing teacher. And I'm old enough to say I had a typing class, but yeah, that shout out to Mr. Innocent. If he listens to your podcast or not. You know, I, I, I wouldn't have told this story any other time, but because you brought up typing class, I have to tell this story.
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And I don't know if it'll translate over broadcast as well as it would if I was in person showing this. So I'm in grade nine.
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first year of high school, obviously, there's a type in class. And our teacher that we had, I can't remember her name, but she was very prim and proper, older, mid age, older woman, didn't really, was very kind of like, what's the word I'm looking for? On edge at times, like, you know, very strict, but like on, like, you know, she could, you know, scare her at any time. My buddy who was just a, just a clown, he had this idea
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where he brought in, he popped off keys of a keyboard at his parents' place of their computer or typewriter, brought them in. And what he did was we made it look like we were prying the keys off and then flicking them up with our thumbs in the air. And she lost her mind because she thought we were popping the keys off. Of course, we weren't doing that. But I just remember, I look back now and I go like, I don't know how these teachers put up with us doing stuff like that.
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I'm not even going to go there. I have so many stories about how much trouble I caused in grade school in particular and a little bit in high school. Oh my gosh. I'm sure we've all got this. I think we digress. The listeners have some good stories. Maybe they can email you one or two of them. Yes. Well, they could. They can email us at and another thing podcast at gmail.com because we get thousands a day. It's crazy. It's actually a little too much. We really need people to slow down on that.
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But Jeff, let's get to what you're doing now. And then of course we have that hockey story that I want to get to as well, the hockey connection. And we'll do that towards the end of the show. But you are in Calgary, you're in Alberta, and you have a new role. I'd love for you to share what you're doing.
Jeff Watson on Alberta's Community Outreach
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Yeah, I recently got hired on by the Premier's office managing community outreach.
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And it's an important task. We have a new premier. She's not new to politics, but new in terms of her leadership the last couple of months. And it's an opportunity to introduce her and her restyled cabinet to Albertans. And for those who may be less familiar with the makeup in Alberta, but the new Alberta is really changing.
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A very diverse province now. Calgary is the third most diverse major city in the country. I think about 40-45% of the city's population is a visible minority. I get to work amongst those communities. I work with a team of people.
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who are doing that kind of direct outreach, creating the opportunities for the premier and ministers to be able to meet with the public here, what some of their concerns may be, or some of the opportunities where government can help make a difference in how they build community. Well, that's exciting. How did this all... How did you get pegged for that job? Was that something that
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They were pretty excited to bring you on board. How did that all come to be? It was a bit of a surprise. I had been actually out in British Columbia for most of the year prior, doing some work with a new startup that had a brand new construction technology, if you will. I wasn't really dialed into
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Alberta politics at a micro level and I got a call from somebody that I had met some years earlier. They were building a team in transition and I was invited to actually come and apply and compete for the position against what I think was a pretty deep talent pool and I guess I must have
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brought the right balance of experience or whatever it was, but I got hired aboard. I think I'm the only one who actually wasn't really connected with the, at least directly connected in any way with the leadership campaign team.
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or that sort of orbit. But I've been around Alberta politics now since 2016, doing a lot of sort of GR work and some political work on the side, so it's not like it's an unknown commodity.
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I don't know, it just represents a really surprise opportunity for me, one I'm really excited about. And of course, it's one that will be, I think, pretty instrumental to the success of the government. I think if our team does our job, we might be able to play an important part in the re-election of this Premier and her government.
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I wanted to ask because the position that you've taken and your role with reaching out to these cultural communities and building those relationships and strengthening existing ones, I don't think it's bad to bring up his name or these names, but Jason Kenney had that
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had that perception of being a guy that was good at building bridges within those types of communities. Another guy who's found himself in some hot water before Patrick Brown also has a reputation of being able to build relationships within these cultural communities.
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Do you, I'm not going to say, I was going to joke around and say, do you see yourself leaning on them for advice? But I'm not going to say that, but do you, do you, do you, what do you bring to the table? Like, I don't, I'd love to hear, like, I'm sure you have a wonderful background with this, but like, is this a stretch for you? Is this some new skill sets you're putting into play or is this kind of building on what you've done in the past anyway?
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Yeah, it's a little bit of both. Look, I do have some experience on the cultural outreach side. One, when I was a member of parliament, Windsor was the fourth or fifth most diverse city in the country. So I already had a window in terms of my 11 plus years in politics, engaging with cultural communities there. In addition, helping Jason Kenny when he was a minister with
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in the Harper government with outreach more broadly speaking in the GTA. And then when I came to Alberta, the first to join the Unite Alberta project, which was the bringing together of the wild rose and PC parties together into what is now the United Conservative Party. The first hat I actually wore was with the cultural communities before I finally settled in. They needed somebody to do the
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faith community and school choice outreach. And so I moved over to that position. So some of this I have experience in. Some of it is new to, look, there are a lot of nuances within every community. No community's monolithic. So there's lots of relationships and dynamics to understand. I get to pull together a really great team of people from diverse backgrounds.
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who are really doing a lot of the sort of front-facing part of it, the face-to-face connections. I do some of that as well. I think primarily I was engaged because I know how to sort of create and mentor team to be effective and to come up with the overall strategy for how we have a positive and comprehensive engagement in Alberta. So it's a province-wide mandate. It's not just Calgary specific.
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So it's very exciting. I know there's new things I'm learning, and then there's old things I'm applying. I want to chat a little bit or get your take on the state of politics in Alberta. And the reason I want to hear from you on it is, well, obviously, you're there. First of all, you're in there. Secondly, we haven't known each other that long, but we've definitely
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grown a very strong relationship and gotten to know each other very well in the years that we have. But you are the epitome to me of a guy that's, you know, measure twice, cut once with the way you approach things. And I mean that in the way that you are so well thought out with the way that you deliver messages and comment on things. So that's why I'm kind of interested to see what's going through your head and what you're seeing on the ground in Alberta. Now,
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The only problem with that might be that maybe you're so enwrapped in what you're doing or wrapped up in what you're doing right now that that might not be at the forefront. But anyway, I'm going to let you share a little bit about what you're seeing out there and your feeling as we continue to move forward. And I would say it's interesting times for sure with the new premier and what's ahead for her.
Analysis of Alberta's Political Landscape
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Yeah.
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There's a very dramatic story here at play, and that's really the rehabilitation, if you will, of Danielle Smith, who at one time was a pariah in Alberta politics, involved as the leader of the Wild Rose in what was at the time a
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mass floor crossing, if you will, to the PCs in an effort back then to sort of try to create unity. And it backfired obviously out here. And, and so, you know, here through the years, you've got the premier on radio, building with following, letting us in on a window of her thinking.
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her out of the box thinking is I like to sort of say and now here she is you know in a process for the leadership over the last number of months culminating two months ago in the in the leadership vote persuading the very people
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who once said they'd never vote for her to support her and now she's premier and it's a dramatic story and what's interesting about that is there's just there are so many redemption stories in people who are who are sort of tied to her orbit right now to her chief of staff at one time was
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cabinet ministers, chief of staff in BC and wound up being homeless and on drugs on the east side of Vancouver before making a very dramatic comeback in his own life and now as the chief of staff to the premier. And there are a number of stories like this for people that are sort of in her orbit. It's a very spectacular thing.
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But more generally speaking, I would say it's an exciting time in Alberta. Economically, we've been rebounding over the last couple of years. It looks like it may be a pretty durable economic rebound. So I think there's a lot of optimism. The premiers
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leadership now, she's been premier for about two months. An election is pending in May. So we're, I think with the turn of the new year here, we're sort of unofficially in the campaign period. And I don't just mean the premier, the opposition is out there working away and hammering away in a heavy negative advertising already on the airwaves. So we're going to be locked in sort of this
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struggle between the two parties to see who will emerge in the election. Then the backdrop is this nonsense stuff that goes on in Ottawa all the time. Today they're out suggesting that it's time to get out of the oil and gas industry.
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transition our workers over to something else, you know, as if something magically is waiting for us tomorrow. And, you know, it just creates another antagonism that we think, you know, you really have it in for Alberta. So you'll find that Albertans are in a little bit of a fighting mood because of what Ottawa is doing. And we're not alone. Saskatchewan and Manitoba, I think, are
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taking some stronger, clearer stances and wanting a better relationship, if you will, to come out of confederation than we're getting currently. Interesting. That's the kind of answer I expected. Well done on that front. How much direct contact do you have with the Premier?
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Oh, well, she's busy. And that's what she has to be. And she's not sitting around in an office. She's out in the community engaging. So, you know, if I'm doing my job, well, it means that I'm working with my team, you know, creating the kind of scheduling opportunities for her, where she can engage with various communities.
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So I don't get a lot of face-to-face time and frankly, I don't need it in order to do what I do best and to set her up to do the things that she does best. She's phenomenal when she engages for anybody who's seen her. She has that comfortable style of having been a radio host for a long time and you can hear it in the way she communicates. It's almost like you're sitting around her, you could be in a room with 200 people and it sounds like you're sitting around a coffee table with her in somebody's living room.
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And she's very engaging that way. People seem to like her. From what I see, I do go to events on occasion, the events that we've sort of created for her. And the people in the room, I mean, they almost fight to get pictures with her. I'm not sure I've seen anything quite like that before.
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And so she's really a tour de force, smart. And I look forward to what that's going to mean. I think her government has sort of found its feet now, has a lot more certainty about its direction. I think they have a confident path forward as they look down the road to where the election is. And it's going to be an interesting time. We're going to have two female party leaders squaring off against each other in this election coming up, a former premier and one who's currently the premier.
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should make for an interesting battle, if you will, but I think our premier will emerge strong and well with another government. Yeah, Danielle's been a guest on the show. I thought she was wonderful and she had some wonderful points. She made some
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you know, had some great ideas that she shared. And I don't, I mean, at that point when she was on the show, I don't, well, I shouldn't say I don't know, um, or I don't think that she was, you know, contemplating next steps politically because I, who knows she may have, but she certainly wasn't indicating that. Um, but, but yeah, I, I, I really enjoyed speaking with her the couple of times that we've had the opportunity. So I,
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I certainly wish her nothing but the best in yourselves, nothing but the best moving forward. Um, we're running out of time here, Jeff. I did want to, I do want to get that hockey story in and I'll do that. I just quickly wanted to ask, um, you know, as a past member of, of parliament there for Essex, that area, do you, do you follow what's going on there? Do you still, obviously you still have friends and, and, and whatnot there? Do you, do you keep track or does that kind of like, it is what it is.
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No, I definitely do. The current member for Essex, Chris Lewis and I count him as a strong friend and he does the same. He was a municipal councillor back when I was a member of parliament and then he went off in business for a little while.
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and then came back and won this riding for the Conservatives over the NDP who defeated me. He's a two-termer now and I keep an eye, sometimes both eyes back there, just to see what's happening. I'm very excited about where that region is going. I felt like the time I was there, we certainly also
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sowed a lot of seed as a government back in the Harper days that is bearing a lot of fruit here. You look provincially now, we have conservative seeds, not only in Essex, but in Windsor, Tecumseh. So I think that the movement, if you will, the conservative movement, both federal and provincial, has a lot of upside growth potential down there. And for me, it's exciting to see.
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So let's get this hockey story in because I think this is an interesting one.
Jeff Watson's Hockey Connections
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You and I were texting back and forth earlier in the day and this kind of just came out. I think we were going back and forth about a bio for you, et cetera. And it turns out that
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Well, I'll let you talk about it, but there is a chance or you do believe that you are related to, you know, hockey royalty in a sense of, uh, of days gone by. So tell me, tell me this story about how you are connected to the hockey world. So a lot of people don't know, but I'm adopted and I was actually born Josip Mahavlich.
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And it was in my late 20s that I had gone looking for my birth mother and any family who may exist. And I found her actually and have had some relationship with her and some of her children since then. But what got interesting for me is when I was elected to parliament, there was a senator
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former Hall of Fame hockey player Frank Mohavelic, appointed by the Liberals. One day I decided to sort of take a walk down to his office and engage him a little bit, that I was a Mohavelic. And it was a most amazing interaction. I'll tell you, you know, he
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He pulls out a map and he puts it across his desk and he shows me in Croatia. He said, you know, all the muhavliches in the world, he says it's actually a very minor name. There aren't very many of them, but they all trace their roots back to two villages as he's pointing at the map. And I said, well, I'm a muhavliche. And, you know, he asked me who my mother is and where did she come from. And in the process of this story, he's literally got, I don't know, a piece of paper he pulled out of a book, or I don't know if it was a napkin, literally,
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gets his pen out and he starts making some connections. And then he tells me we're related and he figures out through my mom how we're related and if it's third or fourth cousins. And you know, I kind of thought, well, that's a nice story. Like, is that really actually true? And then I'm, you know, part of this DNA, one of those DNA matching websites and what comes up.
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But I'm probably third or fourth cousin, which confirms what Frank Mohovlic had shared with me. So it turns out that I'm related to two Hall of Fame hockey players, two legends, Frank and Peter Mohovlic. It's a very interesting part of my background and one obviously we're very proud of. I have his autograph on my Montreal Canadiens jersey, which is
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Where I always think of Frank Mohavelets and obviously Peter both were, you know, either played part or most of their careers with the Canadians. So very exciting. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's interesting. So you cheer him as a Canadian when he played.
00:27:31
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I think he played most of his career in drama. Is there any other team though, Jody? That's the thing. No, I know, but it's funny because I'm sure that I'm just looking actually at his career. I'm sure that there's some Red Wings fans that probably hold him as their own too. I'm not sure I understood what you just said, but that's okay.
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I, uh, I'm having trouble. Uh, I'm having trouble. Do you know who he, who he scored his, the, in the NHL, do you know who he scored, uh, the most goals with like a single season? No. You don't, eh? No, I don't. Take a guess. Um, Montreal. No, it was actually Detroit in 1968, 69, he scored 49 goals. And then the second for him was 60, 61, where he scored 48 for the Leafs.
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His career and I'll tell you when I met him as a senator I forget how old he would have been by then but man He still looked like he could lace up the skates and go and throw a few checks and put a couple of pucks in the net Yeah, no, that's a That's a cool story a cool connection. I mean Yeah, no, that's that's uh, that's very cool. So so you can call me Jeff Mohaveletch if you want to say have you ever thought about just using that
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No, I didn't. Although I almost, you know, I've kicked around the idea of adding, actually legally adding my first name, Josip, in my name. I think I'd still go by Jeff Watson, but it almost seems fitting to add a piece of my sort of first history, if you will, back into my name. But yeah, I don't know that, but people would wonder whether I, you know, why Jad Mohavelic's tune?
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So I could sign autographs. I don't know. And he lives, he lives in Timmins, Ontario. Yeah. Interesting. Well, we did, uh, we did, uh, we did a parliament, um, an inter-parliamentary inter-parliamentary group, uh, function together when we were both on the Canada, US thing too. And I gotta tell you, he was, he was, he was, he was a consummate gentleman, not partisan at all.
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and just took his role very seriously in the Senate for anybody who wonders whether appointing somebody from a sports background makes any sense. But he was very diligent about his.
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his Senate responsibilities. It was a real pleasure to be able to be a contemporary that way as politicians. It's funny if you go- Somebody's my family. Yeah, I'm sure it's easy to do, but there's a young picture of him now. It's in a Leafs jersey. It kind of looks like you. I'm taller though, but yeah. Okay, how tall was he? He was 6'1". Yes, I'm a couple inches taller than him. Okay.
00:30:32
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He was a big boy. A handsome guy too. He's better looking than I am, Jody. Appreciate the compliment. Jeff, thanks for doing this. We appreciate it. Looking forward to connecting with you in person.
Podcast Conclusion and Thanks
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It's been a while, but yeah, it'd be nice to connect. Of course, we wish you all the best as you continue this journey with
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the new premier and then the team out there and I'm looking for big things come May. So yeah, you're welcome back anytime and I'm sure we'll be talking soon, but thanks again. You're welcome. Pleasure being here. Always wonderful conversation with Jeff and we certainly appreciate his time. And I'm sure Tony would have just been grilling him like nobody's business. Yeah. So thanks again. And Tony.
00:31:22
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