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Tariffs, Trump, Ford and a Carney!
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This week on And Another Thing, Jodie Jenkins and Tony Clement tackle the biggest political stories making headlines. They break down Donald Trump’s latest tariff talk and its potential impact, Justin Trudeau’s ongoing struggles, and whether Mark Carney is the Liberals' next big hope. Plus, with the Ontario provincial election on the horizon, what’s at stake for voters? Don’t miss this lively discussion filled with sharp insights and candid opinions!
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Introduction and Sponsorship
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Speaker
Welcome to another edition of And Another Thing, the podcast that continues to set the bar in the world of podcasts. My name is Jody Jenkins. I am Tony Clement.
00:00:35
Speaker
And as always, this program is brought to you by the great crew at municipal solutions, John mutton and his team doing
Martial Arts Achievements
00:00:43
Speaker
a wonderful job. And Tony, I know that you recently connected with John and yeah, lunch. Where did you guys go? Like, did you, did you go to his house or did you go to eat? We went to milestones in new market. Okay. And what does a, what does a guy like John order? What's it it's a meal for John? Yeah, no, I think he had, a he was, it was a carnivore diet for sure. Yeah.
00:01:03
Speaker
Definitely, definitely. Now we have to congratulate him. He got two gold medals at his latest jujitsu tournament in California. So congratulations, John, on that. And I think Janine, his daughter, just won another world championship. So they're just tearing up the jujitsu world, I'm telling you. And how close are you to getting into the jujitsu game? No, no, I'm the Muay Thai guy. Remember with Clifton Brown? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you're still doing that too?
00:01:31
Speaker
Yeah, we had a fight night, uh, just on Saturday night in Brampton. There were like 500 people there. Really? Oh, and you went and I went and I saw like a dozen, a dozen matches and, uh, you know, three rounds, three minutes each. It was, it was very entertaining. Great products. That's great. Good. And, uh, response was good. Was this one of the first ones or?
00:01:51
Speaker
Well, no what this wasn't us. This was oh just just happening anyway. I see, I see. We were in the velvet roped area, you know, VIPs. Oh, you're one of those guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're a big wig and mooey tie. That's right, yeah. Yeah, you're big time. I'm big time now, baby.
Sponsors and Promotions
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But I know it was very entertaining and ah great to see it live, which was fantastic, because I've just seen videos to date, right? Of course, Clifton knows the sport backwards and frontwards.
00:02:20
Speaker
was coaching me a little bit on some of the intricacies, but it was it was all good. But congratulations to John. And of course, Municipal Solutions, which is your project project management team for rezoning and development approvals. I can tell you that Municipal Solutions cuts through the municipal red tape to bring your project to fruition. Go to MunicipalSolutions.ca and then a shout out to our terrestrial radio sponsors, Hunters Bay Radio, 88.7 FM in Muskoka.
00:02:49
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huntersbayradio.com. Every Saturday morning, they have a suite of various podcasts, including ours. So we thank them for that as well.
Events and Personal Stories
00:03:02
Speaker
And when's your next rock and shindig? I just had one last week, which I was really happy with. Oh, what was the theme? Hot and cold.
00:03:11
Speaker
Oh, so it would have been songs like cold as ice. Yes. Uh, did you do hot, hot, hot by Buster Poindexter? No. Oh, well that was a, you failed on that one. No, well it's baka it's rock and shin dig. It's not. Yeah, Buster Poindexter wasn't pop, was he? I don't know. Anyway, no, I didn't do that, but I did, I did a song from hot, hot heat. Okay. Vancouver band. So that there you go.
00:03:36
Speaker
And, uh, yeah, we had, uh, we had the good, some good Beatles songs, some stone songs. So, you know, and heat anything by canned heat. No, I didn't, but I did do. She's so, she's so cold rolling stones. That was a good one. Okay. Yeah. What about, oh, you could have easily done vanilla ice, but you didn't. I did not know. I didn't. Sorry. Epic fail.
Doug Ford's Political Strategy
00:03:57
Speaker
Epic fail. I thought you were like, it doesn't have to be rocking. Like there's rap, by the way, there's rap stars in the rock and roll hall of fame. Just saying. I know. I know it's everything in the rock and roll outfit, but I think I did funky cold Medina though, but you wouldn't do vanilla ice. and I know know. Are you kidding me? I did. it did Funky cold. Let's do it.
00:04:20
Speaker
There we go. There we go. So yeah, Hunter's Bay radio still going strong in Muskoka and you're welcome to do the live stream at Hunter's Bay radio.com. All right, so all right as of this recording, day one of the provincial election, ah Doug Ford has called what I think can be referred to as a snap election over ah a year and a half away from what should have been ah the next um provincial election. Doug Ford coming out in the from the position of he needs a strong mandate to, I don't want to say fight, but to combat ah potential Trump tariffs and what that might mean to
00:05:00
Speaker
our province. Look, i think I think it's probably a foregone conclusion that they win, but to be honest, you know outside of the fact that he's been saying that you know another four years will allow him to outlast this current Trump administration based on times, I mean, he does have a strong majority. He if you he can do anything he wants right now.
00:05:23
Speaker
I know, I know. And let's face it, he's been talking about, or there's been rumors of an early election for 10 months. That's well before Donald Trump got elected. So yes, they're now saying they need a mandate to combat Trump, but they were going to need a mandate to do something if they were going to call an early early election, which they've been. i yeah I know you call it a snap election, Jody, and technically, I guess that's right. But they've been signaling this for eight or 10 months. So it's not a big surprise. And maybe that's part of the strategy. that you the the The worst thing, people get really riled up if it's a surprise, but this isn't a surprise. It's it's it's simply what they were sort of sowing the seeds of for the last few months.
00:06:04
Speaker
Yes and do you subscribe to the viewpoint that's been put out there that the real reason for this is election is to get ahead of the federal election of course I know you and I were talking off air about this it's been a long time.
00:06:21
Speaker
since there has been a federal conservative government and also a provincial conservative Ontario government. And it looks to me, unless unless I'm not reading it right, you'd have to go back to when Robarts was premier and Diefenbaker was the prime minister. do you Do you think that carries more weight in terms of Doug going, I don't want to run after the federal conservatives look like they're going to win?
00:06:49
Speaker
Yeah, I think that's part of it. I just recalled that there was a brief overlap with Brian Mulroney in 1984 and ah Bill Davis, who stayed until 1985.
00:07:03
Speaker
Okay. So that would have been the last time then. Yeah, probably that's the last time, but it's it's it was only a few months or a year. So I don't know how much that carries weight. But basically the rule of alternation does apply that if we have a provincial liberal government, you have a federal concerted government or vice versa, that seems to be the history ah as you say, for 60 years. So ah yes, I think that Doug Ford did want to get ahead of that, assuming as he was that there was going to be a Pierre Polyev government over you know at some point in the next few months. So he got he, you know, and he's not the only one who did it. to the the Nova Scotia, Tim Houston did the same thing a few months ago, exactly the same thing.
00:07:48
Speaker
So this is seems to be something that the provinces are trying to get ahead of the federal election cycle.
Travel and Experiences
00:07:56
Speaker
Yeah. And I mean, he'll look like a genius if I know that, you know, Trump tariffs, they're talking February 1st as a first wave, and then they'll take a look at where they go from here. But it would be interesting if it was all for naught and say that the tariffs don't happen for Wednesday election. and He's like, well, you know, slapping his hands. That was easy.
00:08:19
Speaker
Well, and you know I don't think this is going to be the case, but if if Trump were to announce on February 1st, oh, on second thought, I don't think there's going to be terrorists in Canada for a while. And then he's got he's got another 28 days so of the election to talk about. No, no, that Trump is really going to impose the terrorists. Yeah, I thought about that. I did think about that. What if that does come out? That would not be good for their election. No, no, no, it would not. But I think there is going to be something on February the 1st, even if it's a first wave rather than the whole the whole Kahuna at the same time. But yeah, I mean, it's it's a looming and ever-present threat now and in today's world, that's for sure. Well, there's lots of issues going on, especially on the affordability side. I just got back ah from some time down in the States and I'll yeah tell you, it's
00:09:07
Speaker
It's expensive down there. Like I was full on expecting like deals, you know, and sure our dollar, you know, it it was painful to do the conversion, but I was like, yeah, but down there, you know, i'll find some deals. There's no deals to be had. yeah yeah right It's expensive. Food is expensive. Everything is expensive. I was actually quite blown away.
00:09:28
Speaker
Um, we went into a gas station, like a regular size bag of chips was 599 U S not kidding you. I'm not kidding. Wow. Yeah, it was, it was pretty bad. It was pretty crazy actually. So, uh, and, and your lodgings were your lodgings expensive too? Well, we, well, we had some points and stuff, so we were able to access that. But if we didn't have, if we didn't have that opportunity, yeah, it would have been very expensive. I mean, so tell our audience what you were doing down there.
00:09:57
Speaker
We were, I was working with, uh, the PGA show. It's one of the biggest, well, it is probably the biggest show, um, on the planet in terms of getting all. You know, companies that have anything to do with golf together under one roof. This was their biggest show in 15 years, over 30,000 attendees. well I will say that I think the weather played a role in that. If you know last week down, down south, the weather was pretty brutal. yeah horribleable Um, but it was great. That's great. I go down there for my, um, golf tournament.
00:10:26
Speaker
Uh, we have a lot of brands that we
US-Canada Relations and Leadership Concerns
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work with. So just making connecting the dots on some stuff, meeting some new potential partners, but overall it was a good time. And, uh, did get some golf in, although that wasn't enjoyable. It was, I was every day, I was looking forward to the, the hot tub more than the golf. So is that right? How is that cool? Oh, it was brutal. Oh my gosh. Yeah. What are you going to do? Right? There was just, there was a cold front.
00:10:49
Speaker
The polar vortex was all over North America. What are you going to do? Yeah. yeah But as we were there, it was interesting as the guys I was with, we were talking because a lot of the stories we're seeing about, you know, Trump making comments about healthcare, Trump making comments about.
00:11:01
Speaker
this, that, and the other thing with Canada. And it's like, you got to, you know, going back to what we said at the beginning with Doug Ford, you got to, you got to take these things seriously, even if they don't come to fruition, because it could be a potentially a massive, massive blow. And then you hear, I mean, Ford's mentioned it, the Liberals are floating it out there about pandemic level stimulus spending, if we get to that point, which to me makes me go,
00:11:24
Speaker
Holy. like see i can we know Can we afford to even do that? i That's a very good question. It's going to be painful and we will have a discussion I'm sure about whether the federal liberal government is is using the right tools in the toolbox to to deal with this, but i'm not I'm not looking forward to billions and billions of dollars flowing out. I think Doug Ford is talking about exactly the same thing too. 100%.
00:11:54
Speaker
He needs a mandate not only to negotiate on the tariffs, but also to to spend a whole lot of money if the tariffs are actually imposed. He literally said he literally said we'll need that mandate ah because there's potential for billions of dollars in spending. yeah I know. Literally billions like it's an interesting time. So we'll see how that all unfolds. Of course, the election set for February 27th. And then about a week after that,
00:12:23
Speaker
We're going to have another result of a somewhat of an election when we find out who the next liberal leader is for the federal liberals. Yes. And it will be Mark Carney, Jody. Wow. You normally don't predict things. Like you're usually pretty, like I've, I've tried to put you on the spot. It's usually pretty stone cold about predicting, but you are very, you are very sure about yourself on this one. I'm very sure. I think he's probably going to get 70% of the votes. 70%. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm predicting. And, uh, even if it isn't 70, it'll be 65 or somewhere around there, but not much lower than that. I don't think. First ballot win or how do they do it?
00:13:01
Speaker
Yeah, yeah they they do it. They do a ranked ballot, but you know they've they've got six candidates, but it's only- Oh, so he wouldn't win on the first one probably. No, he I think he will. Oh, you think he will. Okay. Yeah. yeah i don't I don't think those other candidates, you know obviously, Christian Freeland is a force to be reckoned with, but she might get 25% or 20% or something like that. So not enough. This is my prediction. I'm going out on a limb here at and another thing, but that's what I'm saying. It'll be prime minister, Mark Carney.
00:13:35
Speaker
without a seat, without ever having been elected to any official office. Yes, which we talked about, which I think is, I want, you know, people to think about this, that Mark Carney, let's say that Tony is correct. He goes on to win. He does become the prime minister because Trudeau said that, you know, it's so whoever wins the leader liberal leadership will become prime minister. So let's just assume that it's Mark Carney. And let's assume in some strange world that the House actually it doesn't go right to an election. Something goes weird in the House actually sits. Mark Carney would be the prime minister. And as you said, he'd be sitting in the gallery. walk Yeah, and he'll be sitting watching while his house leader. That's never happened, correct? i They've been ah they may have been in the gallery for a period of time.
00:14:23
Speaker
Um, but, uh, but whoever that person was, like I'm, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, you know, John Turner or something like that, they they may have been in the gallery, but they'd always, they'd already had an elected position in the past is what I'm trying to say. yeah Not so Mark Carney. And, uh, I was mentioning to you this other little twist of fate that, uh, because the set election date is October, which is the 10th month.
00:14:50
Speaker
And the House will be coming back in March, which is the third month. So that's seven months difference. There's a law in place that was put to put in the Harper years that you don't call a by-election if it's within nine months of the set date of the election. So he can't even get into the House of Commons even if a liberal resigns their seat. So what's the earliest he could get in then? After an election.
00:15:13
Speaker
after an election. geez Yeah. Yeah. So he, now, I mean, there's all these, we everybody's wargaming everything, Jody in Ottawa, outside of Ottawa. Maybe he doesn't call back. He, the house is supposed to come back on the 24th of March. Maybe he visits the governor general, gets sworn in as prime minister, and then calls the election. Or the house comes back on the 24th and there's like two key votes as soon as the house comes back of that are confidence votes, speech from the throne,
00:15:43
Speaker
and supplementary estimates, ah which is scheduled for the 26th of March. So each of those is a confidence vote. So so you know he'll need the support of the NDP, otherwise the government will collapse and we'll be into an election. Now, everybody's assuming that Carney will want to avoid that at all costs, but I'm just going to read out the results of the latest poll from the ECOS polling company.
00:16:10
Speaker
which is known to have a liberal slant in things. But if you're a liberal, you're goingnna you're going to look at the ECOS poll, which shows that under this poll, as of January 27th, the conservatives have nationally 35.7% and the liberals have 32.7%, only a three point difference. And of course, because most of a lot of support for the conservatives is plumped in Western Canada,
00:16:36
Speaker
that actually could mean that it would be a minority liberal government under those circumstances. So if i if I'm a liberal looking at that, and if I believe that as a liberal, ah you know maybe maybe you do call the election.
Political Leadership Dynamics
00:16:50
Speaker
yeah you know maybe maybe Maybe Carney has some momentum, ah you know he's got he's the new guy in town, so you know why not why not roll the dice? Interesting.
00:17:03
Speaker
So it's going to be interesting to see how they war game that. There are other polls that don't show what the ECOS is showing that still show a 17 point or 20 point lead for the conservatives. But again, maybe the momentum for the time being is with the the liberals. Now, if I know Pierre Poliev and you know, Pierre Poliev, you would say, bring it on, baby. Let's go.
00:17:27
Speaker
yeah right He's ready and the team's ready. So it'll be very interesting to see how the ah calculations that have to be made in order to decide whether that the house comes back, whether there is an election, whether the election is in the fall, because the NDP are willing to support the government. You know, Jagmeet Singh is starting to vacillate a little bit on whether he's immediately going to try to bring the house down or whether he wants to vote for the massive billions of dollars of extra spending first.
00:17:57
Speaker
So lots of, um, lots of things could be happening over the next few weeks. That's for sure. You send it, we'll spend it. That's what they say. That's the NDP motto. That's the NDP motto. And the Liberal motto for that matter. Yes, and the Liberal motto for that yeah for that matter.
00:18:14
Speaker
yeah the Speaking of ridings and races, did you ever sit with, or did you serve in with ah um MP, was it Leona Alislav or Alislav? Yes. yeah yeah because she's She's running in for the nomination in Mark Garretson's writing. No, she isn't. She isn't. now she's dropped She dropped out. She dropped out.
00:18:36
Speaker
Okay. So is it just cause I, okay. Is that because the mayor put his thing forward? I wonder. Yeah. So she's backing him then. Yeah. So she's, you know, she's being, taking one for the team. So she dropped out, I think two or three days ago. Yeah. Okay. I didn't realize that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So she's out. So it's the mayor of Kingston who's running for the conservatives. Yeah. Well, but there was another person, did they back out too? or i I think so. I think it's just the mayor of Kingston now.
00:19:00
Speaker
Oh, it's just the one. Okay. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just looking up that story right now. Leon Alice Lev ends federal conservative candidate bid. Okay. She made her announcement on January 26th. Thanks for stepping aside to support Kingston mayor, b Brian Patterson.
00:19:15
Speaker
that just leaves Patterson and Jared Stearns vying for the candidacy. okay So there's one other person. but One other person.
Local Politics and Memes
00:19:22
Speaker
So that's in your backyard, yeah. Yeah, obviously Patterson will win that. Yeah, I would think so. I would think so, yeah. Interesting. The du the ducks are lining up, Jody. It's going to be on the ropes. Yeah. And of course, though that's a liberal seat provincially, too, isn't it? so It is, yeah. Ted Su or whatever his name is. Yes, Ted Su, that's right. Yeah, yeah. So I don't know who the conservative is, but I don't know if you have a chance. Lots going on. Lots going on in the world of politics. Have you been following the Trump stuff?
00:19:53
Speaker
What other stuff is there? I i just, I just been following the executive orders and yeah the executive orders, the memes, like, uh, someone does voiceovers. It's like, okay, uh, present, Mr. President, uh, this is an executive order to stop men from wearing skinny jeans. And then it was Trump side. He's like, Oh, that's a big one. That's a big one. He's like, as said we got to stop that. That's not that right away. Yeah. I've been laughing at those. Those have been pretty good.
00:20:18
Speaker
I know people are getting older than that i've not been following it too much now, no but it's, uh, we're in a different time. Just like that. A president gets inaugurated and the world just shifts. Isn't that, isn't that interesting? Well, it's crazy it's just crazy to me to think like if they, do if he does go through it, like putting tariffs on big things and like, you know, whether it's forestry, automotive, uh, saying he doesn't need our oil or like, I mean, that's, that'd be a huge blow to the country. There's no question about that.
00:20:48
Speaker
Yeah, it'll be a huge blow. um And I think it'll hurt America too. But, ah you know, a lot of talk about him using tariffs to balance the federal budget. Yeah.
00:21:00
Speaker
He's going to have billions and billions and billions coming in. And, uh, that's, that's the way that, uh, just like before income tax caught on. Yeah. Yeah. Governments use tariffs to to pay for their budgets. Gotcha. So it's like a late 19th century kind of view of fiscal management that he's promoting. What is, what is, how does he describe it? Tariffs are the most beautiful word. and Most beautiful word. yeah Exactly.
00:21:30
Speaker
So we have different times and we've got to be strong as
Conclusion and Thanks
00:21:34
Speaker
Canadians. But I would say, and I know you would say, we have a vacuum of political leadership. I know Danielle Smith is doing a great job. Doug Ford's doing a great job. But in the federal government, there's this vacuum of leadership. yeah Trudeau is a lame duck.
00:21:46
Speaker
We've got to have an election so that whoever is prime minister has the authority and the credibility to deal with America. because and And I'm not saying that, I imagine not saying that as a partisan. If yeah there is an election and the liberals win, fine. Go go to it and negotiate and negotiate from strength. ah But ah this this can't go on this way, Jody, with this lack of this power vacuum. and Uh, the, the man who is, uh, Justin Trudeau, who's hated by like our own country, hated by Trump, uh, you know, he's not going to get anywhere with, uh, with this issue. Well, it sounds like you scripted that. Was that like a rant that you prepared? No, no, no, no. I'm just, I was off the cuff. I was straight from the heart. Telling it like it is. Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. That's right. That's what they say. That's what they say. Who you, who you, who you liking for the Superbowl, buddy?
00:22:43
Speaker
How you can't bet against the Chiefs? No. How can you bet against the Chiefs? I agree. it always seem that They always seem to pull it out of the nine. You can say it's the refs or whatever, but you know they they yeah you can't pin it on the refs. It's like winning championship teams, find a way to win. Find a way to win. right I laughed because I saw someone posted a picture of, I think it was like ah Chiefs fans in 2016 and it was a picture of all these people in Patriots gear. so
00:23:14
Speaker
yeah oh bandwagon yeah yeah the penwagon strong I just like Mahomes. I know he's in he's in the same division as my team, so I i really should hate them. but i just I think Mahomes is just he's a great quarterback.
00:23:31
Speaker
yeah and jan i mean philadelphia is no slouchakquan warm up Like that's going to be a good game. I think it's going to be a good game. It's going to be a good game. Yeah. Yeah. I'm looking forward to it. So anyway, as George would say that that's a show. That's a show. Ladies and gentlemen, we love coming to you at every every time we're here with you. We appreciate the amount of support we get. We do get feedback. Thank you. Keep the feedback coming in. Rate the show. Review the show. ah We're going to keep doing it. We enjoy it. And we just ah really
00:24:05
Speaker
Really love the fact that people are listening to this. Yeah. And we're going to have a first time guest coming up in a, maybe a week or two, Sabrina Nanji, Queens park reporter. She's going to come on and we're going to do a deep dive on the election. We'll be deeper into it and yeah get her thoughts. So we're excited about that and boston more to come. And of course, municipal solutions.com. You can find out more about them and we continue to thank them for being our presenting sponsor.
00:24:29
Speaker
and Hunter's Bay radio at 88.7 up in the Muskoka's. Make sure you check us out every Saturday morning. Yep. Tony, we will do this again in seven days. Let's do that.