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Ballots & Borders: Canada’s Election & the U.S. Tariff Tangle
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In this episode of And Another Thing, Jodie and Tony take a deep dive into the current Canadian Federal Election — the issues, the players, and what’s at stake for Canadians coast to coast. Then, they unpack the escalating tariff tensions with the U.S., exploring how the trade relationship is shifting and what it could mean for everything from jobs to groceries. Politics, policy, and a few pointed jabs — it’s all here.
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Transcript
Introduction and Hosts' Background
00:00:22
Speaker
Welcome to another episode of And Another Thing, the podcast that continues to set the bar in the world of podcasts. My name is Jody Jenkins. I'm Tony Clement.
00:00:34
Speaker
And you sounded so not thrilled to be saying and No, I'm very thrilled that I'm Tony Clement. Very, very thrilled. it's ah It's been a couple months.
00:00:46
Speaker
ah yeah I didn't know whether you wanted to mention that or not. Let's call a spade a spade. We've been busy. Yes, we actually have been busy. You've been gallivanting all over the world. Gallivanting and you've you've got a new role. Congratulations.
00:01:01
Speaker
Yeah, doing doing some real estate stuff, planning out major, major golf events. Yes. um Chasing around three kids. Yeah, that'll do it and every time. And still trying to find time to maintain some semblance of understanding with the current political scenes. Well, that's ah that's a full-time job in and of itself, my friend.
00:01:21
Speaker
Oh, my word.
Sponsor Acknowledgements and Achievements
00:01:24
Speaker
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00:01:45
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00:02:03
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're talking international tournaments. Yeah. So good for him. Good for him. Yeah, exactly. And I know that you can share a little bit more about what they do.
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00:02:30
Speaker
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00:02:43
Speaker
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00:02:56
Speaker
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Ovechkin's Record-Breaking Achievement
00:03:01
Speaker
Do we want to just dive right into the federal election or is there anything else you want to kind of? I wanted to i wanted to thank alec i wanted to congratulate rather Alex Ovechkin for beating Gretzky's record.
00:03:13
Speaker
not i'm not believe I'm not really a Gretzky fan right now, so way to go, Alex. You didn't want to thank him. I do want to thank him, actually. I want to thank him and congratulate him. you know you i watched it. i had my I've had my kids hooked on chasing the the record for the last little while. Amazing. actually watched it. I saw it in person.
00:03:33
Speaker
not Very nice. Not live and there in person, but I watched it on TV. No, no. that's ah that is It's a record I didn't think was going to be beaten anytime soon. And now, of course, Ovechkin can still play multiple games.
00:03:46
Speaker
Yeah. And multiple seasons. And you know who knows from the next time. when that record is broken, I guess all records are made to be broken. We might be in the dirt by then, Jody.
00:03:57
Speaker
So there you go. Did you watch the game though? No, I saw the, I saw, i you know, obviously a repeat of the the goal. So yeah. No, it was, it was fun to watch. Yeah. And I, I gather that ah he could have done it in the previous game. There was an empty net situation with the Islanders.
00:04:15
Speaker
or something? Well, no, the previous game wasn't against the Islanders. Okay, whatever game was before this one that the Caps were playing. Yeah, it was against Chicago. Chicago, that's He scored two goals, and everyone was like, is he going to break the record on an empty netter?
00:04:30
Speaker
because yeah and then they And they didn't they didn't have him on the ice for that, for the empty net period. No, it didn't happen that way. But yeah that did you know, though, i don't know if you saw this little tidbit, but Gretzky scored his last goal against the New York Islanders?
00:04:43
Speaker
No. Yes. wow That's and and, and, and in the same number of games or something, right? Yeah. Isn't that wild? frezy It's crazy. It's it, it is, it is crazy, but it's a, it's a, a remarkable accomplishment.
00:04:57
Speaker
I know Ovechkin is, is controversial because of his, uh, Russian background and maybe political beliefs about Putin and what have you, but but you can't deny yeah as an athlete that he is is a goat now, as they say. yeah Goat and status.
00:05:15
Speaker
Status, iconic. He's been goated. Exactly. So congrats to him.
Planning a Major Golf Tournament
00:05:20
Speaker
That's what I wanted to say. Yeah. So any, ah okay, well, that's, that's good. i don't have anything else to share on my end. Are you watching any golf coming up? and Some golf coming up. Masters this week. yeah I'm sure I will.
00:05:34
Speaker
Yeah. yeah So that's exciting. Yeah. I'm actually, I mean, yeah, it's hard to get, I mean, I'm glad that golf, like kind of the majors of golf are here now, but I'll be happier when we can get out there and actually play and what's What's the status of your tournament? Tell tell our our wonderful listeners about your tournament, how that's going.
00:05:53
Speaker
Yeah, it's ah growing immensely. Expect this one to be the biggest one yet. We have, I think I talked about it before on one of our episodes. We've partnered with our military base here, eight wing CFB Trenton, ah the Air Force, and we're going to be working with them. We're going to have an elite military hitters night on Friday, June 13th.
00:06:16
Speaker
ah that people can purchase tickets to come watch. And then, of course, we have the finals and stuff on Saturday night. And we've got live DJs and the tournaments. And it's going to be good. Do you have your foursome all set?
00:06:28
Speaker
who you who are you auditioning this year? Well, I guess i'll go I'll go back to the well with the the two crazy guys I had last time. So i'll I'm sure my friend Sean Mahoney wants to do that again. I'll i'll double check with him. And maybe Kelly Mitchell, of former and hopefully future sponsor of this program, he'll want to come out and then we'll we'll see who else I can bring out.
00:06:52
Speaker
Yeah. Who was your fourth last year? was some music guy that you know or something, wasn't it? I can't remember now. Isn't that terrible? Yeah. That's right. He must have met. Was it John Snowblatt? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Not music. Yeah. Yes. You're right. Yes.
00:07:05
Speaker
It was John. Former cabinet minister in the 30 years with me.
00:07:11
Speaker
So now you need to find, and you now you and we need to have like ah another cabinet, a former cabinet minister. You need to find some. i'll work on i'll work on that for you, Jody. but and And we should also mention on this program that it's all for a great cause too.
00:07:24
Speaker
Yes, for the United Way and the Military Family Resource Center. And tickets are available at endlesssummergolf.ca. Perfect. Perfect. It's a great time. Very I know it's rolling together nicely. I'm excited for it. And we're about just over two months away. Two months and a couple weeks. um But you spend like...
00:07:44
Speaker
I think people should realize you spend like 10 months of the year starting planning this thing. Pretty much started. I started in in like, uh, October ish, I guess last year. yeah Yeah. So i ifpped not early mind might yeah it's, uh, it takes a long time of planning and, uh, but it's all, it's all worth it. I love putting this event on and,
00:08:04
Speaker
And I'm excited, especially with the military component this year. Yes. And I mean, I can tell you, i mean it's woen I mean, we'll announce it officially at some point, but I can tell tell all our friends of this program, we're going to have, ah there's going be a flyover. Ooh.
00:08:20
Speaker
Yeah, with a a plane. I don't know which one yet, but that's going to be there. And then the Skyhawks are set to perform. We're just... Oh, thanks. Are you familiar with the Skyhawks? I am familiar with the Skyhawks. That's great. Yeah, the paratroopers. So they do quite the show and jumping out and get the smoke canisters going and the flags. And yeah, so they they're ah they're fall all in with the with the base. So they're very excited about this event. Oh, congratulations in advance. But will obviously, we'll be gearing up for that too. So that's, ah again, great ah great causes you're supporting there. So wonderful. absolutely.
Political Domain Controversy and Voter Dynamics
00:08:57
Speaker
Okay, let's go full bore on the federal election. Well, tell our lovely audience the shenanigans going on in Quinty riding.
00:09:09
Speaker
Holy smokes. Bay of Quinty is a hotbed of scandal during this federal election. its the I'm going to highlight one story, Tony, because you and I have had a good chuckle about it, but It is quite quite unsettling what's going on here in the federal election.
00:09:27
Speaker
So the story that broke over the past weekend was ah there was the liberal candidate ah had identified this. So his name is Chris Millett. He's a longtime publisher of ah the local newspaper, ah The Intelligencer. So he's got some name recognition here.
00:09:45
Speaker
And, of course, Ryan Williams is the conservative candidate. ah He's just finishing. He finished up his first his first term or right first four years with the with the but conservatives. So anyway, so Chris Millett, the liberal candidate, brought to everyone's attention that someone...
00:10:04
Speaker
or something had purchased, they're saying in the and dozens of domain names that include his name, such as
00:10:19
Speaker
so all these domains that have his name in them as the liberal candidate. But when you click on the domain or you log into the door, you go to the domain, but takes you to Ryan Williams campaign website.
00:10:33
Speaker
I'm sorry. It's so bizarre. So they lost, the liberals lost their minds locally. I should like should say, I don't know what they said at the, you know, the federal, or sorry, at like the head office level or whatever, but no they, yeah they lost their mind.
00:10:48
Speaker
um And then of course it caused the like conservatives to have to respond and defend themselves. And of course they, not surprisingly, they said, well, know, we have,
00:11:00
Speaker
We have nothing to do with it. We're not. we We don't know what's going on here. And we're fully prepared to help out. And of course, the liberals then bounce back with, yes, we take them at their word. But again, it's like it casts that whole sense of, you know, doubt, bad actors onto the whole conservative campaign. And as of, I think, like yesterday,
00:11:21
Speaker
ah We're recording this on Tuesday, but, or sorry, we're recording this on Monday. So as of like Sunday, yesterday, the, I think the domains had been shut down, but apparently like complaints and things have been filed with elections Canada. But I actually thought it was kind of funny. I mean, I don't know.
00:11:37
Speaker
I mean, pretty low. It's pretty, i mean it's mischief for sure. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah whoever did it shouldn't have done it. And let's be honest, but it's pretty low grade mischief. Like a lot worse things can happen to a campaign than that. I'm sorry, but it's just the reality.
00:11:53
Speaker
But you said there something with, Oh, yeah the headlines were just like screaming, you know, it's, uh, it's like, uh, straight out of Marvel comics or something, you know, screeching headlines. It's crazy.
00:12:07
Speaker
It was, uh, but you know what though? I mean, having said that, It's interesting. I've been watching. We'll talk about the polls, but one of the polls I i saw it was about you know voter intention in terms of like why or what was motivating them to vote.
00:12:23
Speaker
yeah And it is it's the leader. like Leader is number one. it's not like Party is not number one. no It's the leader. Whether you like or hate the leader. Yeah. yeah and And the interesting thing,
00:12:34
Speaker
the local candidate was like, I think it was 5% or less of people. Yeah. voted So in this election, more so I mean, I think most of most campaigns in the federal world anyway, the local the local candidate may move the needle a bit, but not much.
00:12:51
Speaker
But this one especially, the local candidates have, it has nothing to do with them. No, no. And and i I should say for the record, I've been to nine ridings.
00:13:02
Speaker
Yeah. Most of them I've door knocked in them. ah including my neighboring riding of Nipissing-Temiskaming, but mostly in the 905 Oakville East and Pickering, Brooklyn, and ah some of the Mississauga ridings and the Aurora Oak Ridges. Sorry, sorry, not Aurora Oak Ridges. It's ah it's another riding, something Oak Ridges or Aurora. But anyway, you get you get the you got the picture.
00:13:29
Speaker
um ah Oh, sorry. No. Aurora Oak Ridge's Richmond Hill is the name of that guy. Anyway. So, ah and it's all being driven by the national headlines. It was very little. I had a couple of people ask about local issues, but not that many.
00:13:45
Speaker
Yeah, no, it's just not a, It's not something that's going to move the needle. This is literally, you're either choosing Pierre or you're choosing Mark Carney, right? Like that's what it boils down to.
00:13:57
Speaker
Yeah. And we talked off air about the the big divide, which is also also gaining national commentary ah amongst age groups, right? You know, young yeah people, highly motivat highly motivated, not all, but a good chunk voting for Pierre.
00:14:14
Speaker
In the millennials as well, Pierre is ahead. Gen X, pn Pierre is ahead. Boomers, he's behind, like emphatically behind. And so that that's one of the hills he still has to climb, obviously.
00:14:28
Speaker
um And the other big thing that you you and I have talked about is the utter, complete and utter crash of the NDP under Jagmeet Singh. which And that that's the biggest problem. And again, it's the biggest I'd love to hear your thoughts from some of the writings you've been in, but I just wanted to quickly speak on that with, and I'll use Bay of Quinty, the writing I'm in as an example. I can say wholeheartedly.
00:14:52
Speaker
and I'll clearly state right now, like I'm not voting liberal. There's not a chance I'm voting liberal. But I have never... And I'm in Belleville. Quinty Bay of Quinty is Belleville, Prince Edward County, and Quinty West, a portion of Quinty West, Trenton area.
00:15:06
Speaker
But I've never in the last four to five elections seen as many liberal signs really as I have this time in Belleville, which is frightening. But here's the thing. And because, again, I've i've done a lot of campaigns. i know you know i i i know who has NDP signs. I know who the typical liberals are.
00:15:25
Speaker
no NDP signs out of as of yet. And I've seen ah decent number of places where I know they're NDP and they would have them on in previous elections and they've got liberal signs up.
00:15:37
Speaker
yeah so Yeah. I'm seeing in Muskoka, it's more they used to in the provincial election, which was, you know, merely weeks ago, they have Green Party signs and now they have liberal signs.
00:15:49
Speaker
Yeah, see, like, and that's, and in my, I don't know what it's like in your writing, but I was, like, looking at the numbers from the last couple elections, and I mean, if you think, like, you know, if the conservative base, they're not moving.
00:16:01
Speaker
they're not moving. They're staying put. So we know, like, I think it's safe to say that those numbers, you know, unless there's a dramatic, turnout and and that's the swell is all going conservative. I think it's pretty, you know, you can probably count on the same, roughly the same number of votes.
00:16:15
Speaker
The liberals, if they hold their number, you know, they were behind. So that's where they'll be. All it takes, you know, is to 2,500, 3,000 votes to move from the NDP to the liberals and conservatives loose Yeah. I mean, I would say this in the 905, Jody, not a lot of NDP votes anyway these days.
00:16:39
Speaker
So even compared to the 2021 election or the 2019 election. there might be two or 3%. yeah there there might be two or three percent difference, but I would say that also that the conservative vote in the 905 writings, which which conservatives have to win if they're ever going to form government, if they have a chance to form it, they have to win the bulk of the 905 area code writings outside of Toronto.
00:17:04
Speaker
I would say that the conservative vote has grown since 2021 and ah And ah judging by the data I've seen from those writings that I was in that vote that vote is holding, as you as you mentioned.
00:17:20
Speaker
And if I look at 2021 here again in Bay of Quinney, the New Democrats had just under 9,000 votes, which represented 15.25% of the vote. Yeah, they're not going to get that this time for sure. right so that's my point.
00:17:33
Speaker
Yeah. 15 is pretty high for the NDP. That's what I'm saying. The conservatives won with 40.5%. The liberals were at 37%. Really?
00:17:44
Speaker
Wow. yeah That's a tight election. That's my point, right? but Yeah. Yeah. No, I hear you. I hear you on that. oh yeah if and i And I think actually, I think the new Democrats here in Bay of Quinny will be lucky to get 10%.
00:17:57
Speaker
ah Yeah. I mean, the national polls have them at seven. That's what I mean. oh Holy smokes. And I'm being generous, right? so Yeah. There are in Northern Ontario NDP conservative switchers.
00:18:09
Speaker
They don't like the liberals anyway. And so just because the and NDP go down doesn't mean it's it's lights out for the conservatives. So and that's what they're going really hope for. And, you know, um I think the polls are trash. I'm going to tell you that right now um based on what I've seen on the ground.
00:18:28
Speaker
But even if you could argue that the conservatives are behind, which, you know, most of the polls indicate, ah You know, you still have the debates coming up, which could make a big difference, particularly in Quebec and in Ontario, two battleground provinces.
00:18:42
Speaker
And so, yeah, we shall see. It's not over. it's As we record this, it's still three whole weeks to go. i think it's i think it's super tight.
00:18:53
Speaker
Again, I don't know how accurate the polls are. The only problem I have with the polls is like, Lots of conservatives were pretty confident when we were 15, 20 points up. Yeah. And now that we're down. It's like polls are giving their garbage.
00:19:08
Speaker
I get it. I get it. Yeah. So, uh, this all begs the question, Jody, what do you think of our pal, John Donald Trump these days? Yeah. i ah No comment.
00:19:19
Speaker
i Look, i I don't know what to make of everything that's going on. There's so much. Everything changes by the minute.
00:19:30
Speaker
And it's it's very bizarre, fluid situation. And... I don't know. <unk> I don't know what to say about the whole thing. Again, the only thing I do say is like, you know, i think it's forcing Canada to look at some some real, yeah whether it's ideas or initiatives or self-sustaining approaches that we probably should have looked at a long time ago.
00:19:58
Speaker
It's kind of forcing us to look inward.
Discussion on Tariffs and Canadian Sovereignty
00:20:00
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. You know, here's my take on it anyway. First of all, on the tariff issue, ah Look, ah Trump needs the tariff money to for the federal budget so he can massively cut taxes. He's thinking about things like 0% capital gains tax, for instance.
00:20:20
Speaker
So you need you need another monetary source. so he's going to tariffs to do that. The the problem is the markets are just... evaporating ah wealth at a massive scale. So he's going to try to wait that out.
00:20:33
Speaker
And he he basically believes that tariffs are a way to onshore more domestic job growth in manufacturing in particular for the United States. And that was what he ran on. And we shouldn't be surprised that he's using tariffs. I get all that.
00:20:49
Speaker
um But, you know, Obviously, that's a very blunt instrument to use. um And you know you can't just sort of, you know, like in within couple of months, close a factory in Canada or Mexico or Europe or Asia and then ah automatically create that same factory in the United States.
00:21:12
Speaker
ah It just doesn't work that way. So he's basically created a lot of economic uncertainty, and he's not going to get the payoff, at least in the immediate term, that he needs to justify all the chaos he's creating. So that's my first point.
00:21:29
Speaker
My second point is that you have this whole other narrative about 51st state, Canada, you know which was started in my mind by Justin Trudeau.
00:21:42
Speaker
you know Justin Trudeau flies down to Mar-a-Lago and says to Trump, who you know hates his guts, hates Trudeau's guts, ah hey, you know you can't do the tariffs on Canada.
00:21:54
Speaker
Trump says, why not? Trudeau says, because you'll destroy our economy. That's why. And Trump says, you know quite reasonably, first of all, I wasn't elected to save your economy. I was elected to save the American economy. And secondly, if your economy is so frail,
00:22:08
Speaker
that my tariffs will destroy your economy, then you should become the 51st state. And it was a big, hearty, har-har joke at the time. But then, as Trump does, he gets fixated on things and starts repeating it endlessly about Governor Trudeau and 51st state and our our most cherished new state and all this garbage.
00:22:26
Speaker
ah And, of course, Canadians, quite rightly, find that extremely unsettling. um And it's generated an unprecedented level of anti-Americanism ah and pro-Canadianism ah that I haven't seen the likes of since the 60s, let's say.
00:22:45
Speaker
And um yeah, it's all generated because of that Trudeau-Trump relationship. that wasn't going very well and this created this situation. But the end point of what I'm saying is the end point of what you just said, which is it's, it's now enlightening us to the fact how, um, how lazy we were to rely on the United States militarily, yeah politically, economically, diplomatically, and now the piper has to be paid. yeah And so we're, we're going to have to rely on ourselves more. And I think that's a good thing.
00:23:18
Speaker
Uh, and, um, uh, Let's take ah Arctic sovereignty as an example. We got to put a lot more money into defending our sovereignty in the Arctic because let me tell you folks, and I know this from experience as a former cabinet minister, if you don't defend your sovereignty, you don't have your sovereignty. yeah It doesn't exist.
00:23:37
Speaker
And so if if we want the true North strong and free to continue, we're going to have to put a lot more in ah in terms of you know having that military presence in the far north. Otherwise, the Chinese and the ah and the Russians and the Americans will divvy it all up right before our eyes.
00:23:58
Speaker
Bam, done. And so I think that this is really a wake-up call to us. And that's what um I think the election should be, not just about how much, who hates Trump more, which is kind of, again, a lazy argument to have.
00:24:15
Speaker
It really should be, how are we going to transform ourselves over the next, you know, decades so that we have more sovereignty? Because if we don't do that, we will not have our sovereignty either in the North or elsewhere.
00:24:26
Speaker
I really do believe that. Yeah, no, I, I a hundred percent agree with everything you're saying. And, It's, um yeah, I mean, i I'm kind of, I think there's opportunities and i'm I'm excited to look forward and see what the future holds. And I think that's what this election is about is who is presenting the best vision for the country moving forward and, um you know, creating those opportunities for, you know, our not only are for our our citizens to survive, but to thrive. Yeah.
00:24:59
Speaker
Yeah,
Political Strategy and Critique of Liberal Policies
00:25:00
Speaker
and and you know a pierre Pierre Polyev has had had a for a couple of years now a lot of great ideas, and he's built on those and and extended extended those during the campaign period.
00:25:12
Speaker
ah His Canada First strategy of of maintaining our sovereignty versus the Trump tariffs ah is um is is part of it.
00:25:22
Speaker
um But ah the the crazy thing is, with this Mark Carney character, you know, you know, Pierre, you know, we're against the carbon tax. Well, I'm against the carbon tax too. yeah We need to do more for the seniors. Carney. Yes. Let's do more for our seniors. It's like everything that Pierre has either believed in or advanced or now has rolled out in the election campaign.
00:25:47
Speaker
They, the liberals can't wait. even though they were the diametrically opposed, let's build some more pipelines. Yeah. Great idea. you, you you had 10 years and you did nothing. Yeah. Uh, so this is the thing that is frustrating for conservatives for sure.
00:26:02
Speaker
and maybe they're just seeking to cloud the, uh, the terrain so that, you know, nobody pays attention to their, their track record. I think probably smart politics if, let's face it, the the liberals are the the the the least principled party in our in our ah political realm.
00:26:21
Speaker
And they'll they'll do or say anything to win an election. yeah you know I hate it, but I admire it at the same time and in one level. but But no, I hope they don't get away with it. It's just like to have a fourth term, which would be historic yeah in the in in the recent history of Canada, to have a fourth term in a row um in my view, is completely undeserved.
00:26:44
Speaker
But, hey, Canadians are going to have a choice, man. And if they choose incorrectly, the impact could be very severe. That's all I'm going to say.
00:26:54
Speaker
Yeah. No, I don't and don't disagree with that either. And I'm assuming, or maybe it's not safe to assume this, but you've probably – interacted, engaged with Mark Carney at some point in your career?
00:27:06
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. When, when he was the governor of the bank of Canada, I, you know, yeah, i interacted with him, had meetings with him, had a dinner with him once, you know, all of that kind of thing. He was, he was a figure, uh, in government, but he wasn't the driving force, the driving force during, and he's trying to claim credit for, you know, he was the great savior in the 2008 recession. No, it was Stephen Harper and the late Jim Flaherty who were the great saviors.
00:27:32
Speaker
Anything else is nonsense. But he has this propensity to inflate himself and have only a casual understanding of the truth. So, um again, hasn't hurt him so far, but we'll see what happens in the next three weeks or so, I guess.
00:27:48
Speaker
Do you remember at that dinner what he would have eaten? or think we had we both had steak. Okay. Does that make you feel good or bad? I don't know. It wasn't tofu or anything like that. was it And what was the ah medium rare? Was he rare? Do you, well done? I don't remember that. No, but I don't remember that.
00:28:06
Speaker
And I think we actually had it. He has a private or he had, a private dining room in the Bank of Canada offices. So I don't think we went out to a restaurant. I think we actually had had the dinner catered in some fashion by in the Bank of Canada building, which was right across from my offices as Minister of Industry. That's impressive.
00:28:25
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. that's ah We all need that. I'd love to have someone come and cook me a steak in one of my ah palatial offices. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, he was living the life, I guess. And I don't know.
00:28:40
Speaker
and don't know. I think there's a lot more to learn about Mark Carney. And my only fear is we'll learn all about Mark Carney the day after the election. Yeah. That's usually how it works, right? Yeah.
00:28:51
Speaker
And then people are going to come up to you and me and say, oh boy, that was a really bad choice we made. And I said, well, how did you vote? Well, I voted for Carney. and Yeah. Yeah. Here's the thing though, Tony, here's the thing is like, in my opinion, and correct me if I'm wrong, as a, as a conservative supporter,
00:29:08
Speaker
the a majority conservative victories is their only, as our only hope. It's the only, like anything else is, it's not good. where it's so You know what I mean?
00:29:19
Speaker
Like a minority conservative government doesn't help us.
Electoral Predictions and Personal Insights
00:29:23
Speaker
Oh, I think, i thought well, doesn't help us or like, would we be in power in your scenario? I mean, like you, you, you really think that's, you know, like they're going to liberals in the NDP and whoever else wouldn't team up to,
00:29:35
Speaker
Well, I think the ah the whoever else is obviously is the bloc. Yeah. So I don't think it's given that the bloc is going to support the liberals on anything. ah And secondly, and they might just sort of passively say, you know, we'll let this new government, ah ah you know, try to govern.
00:29:54
Speaker
NDP are going to be so clobbered that they'll be useless and not part of the picture, even in that scenario. Well, if the NDP are clobbered and we expect them to be to end up as as terrible as it is. there's only There's only two outcomes for this election. It's either the liberals win big or conservatives win big.
00:30:14
Speaker
Well, Singh has already said he'll never support a conservative government ever. Yeah. so Now, he could be, the day after the election, no longer the NDP leader. So who the who the hell cares? but Yeah, he's on he's on the verge, if you believe the polling, he's on the verge of potentially losing his seat.
00:30:29
Speaker
um Yeah, he doesn't come from BC, so yeah nobody has a ah real affinity to him. He comes from Brampton for crying out loud. Whereas Nick Nano says that Pierre and Mark will comfortably win their neighboring ridings.
00:30:42
Speaker
Did you see the rally that Carney's conservative opponent had in her riding? She had like thousands of people out at her own rally without without Pierre. Yeah, I know. That'll be interesting. so but yeah But well, they say they say that Carney's comfortably ahead.
00:30:57
Speaker
and Okay, well. If Nick Nano says it, it's got to be true. It's got to be true. He's from Belleville. Is he really? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. He's a Belleville Yeah. Well, he's making a name as usual.
00:31:09
Speaker
And I will say this too. Everybody, you know, that 338 that people follow and it's the pool aggregator. Everyone always says, ah even that the CBC pool tracker stuff, like they always say like, oh, you know, yeah those pool aggregators are, they never, well, I can tell you that those Both those have been pretty accurate the last several elections. Is that right? Yes.
00:31:30
Speaker
do you Do you happen to know what it's saying about to your riding in Bay Quinney? Yeah, we've gone from, we were, so we were actually conservative safe and we're now a toss up.
00:31:42
Speaker
Wow. Yeah. Yeah. And our neighboring riding to the north, which is Shelby Cramp, as of course, Daryl's daughter, a longtime conservative family. Again, another conservative safe seat. And I'm pretty sure it's now only leaning conservative.
00:31:56
Speaker
Wow. Yeah. so Well, all I can tell you, Jody, I was at Shoppers today yeah doing my shopping and ah an old gaffer came up to me and said, we need you back in Parliament. I said, i'm I'm not putting my hand in that wood chipper ever again.
00:32:11
Speaker
and was quite emphatic about it. Oh my gosh. that No, thank you. No, thank you. I'll pass. The other, and we didn't mention it too, is like,
00:32:23
Speaker
I did notice in the last federal election, if you recall, because it was like a it was like basically a covid election. lot going on with mandates, lockdowns, all this stuff. Then the my tea party did have some traction in terms of like, you know, grabbing like three or four thousand votes in a riding or whatever. And and we don't even have five percent national. yeah We don't even have a candidate in our riding. Oh, do you? Oh, OK.
00:32:45
Speaker
No, we have we have one here in Paris, San Francisco, but I don't much. I think that that's I mean, that's good for the conservatives. But I would also say. There's no guarantee because they were really, those supporters were motivated on issues. And I'm not so sure that they come out and and vote, you know, just not for the conservatives again. Right. Like, I don't know. yeah Yeah. Well, they, most of them think that it's just the same thing. Yes, exactly. Same, same Exactly.
00:33:09
Speaker
Anyway, well, that'll wrap up this episode. Good to connect again. Good to connect. Looking forward to getting some more of these in the can. But again, we'll thank John and the team at Municipal Solutions for their continued support. Our presenting sponsor from day one, MunicipalSolutions.ca.
00:33:26
Speaker
Hunters Bay Radio. Yes. You can listen there on Saturday mornings at 88.7. Yeah, great. And I assume you're still the vice president of operations or?
00:33:38
Speaker
ah Just vice president. I'm just on the board, man. I don't i don't operate a darn thing, but except when I do my show. you You never touch a button when you're in there? Oh, I do. Believe me.
00:33:49
Speaker
Absolutely. Don't tell yourself short. Yeah. No, I've got my show coming up on the 19th of April. Is it an easy' bringing back an episode, bringing back something I did nine years ago called Resurrection Saturday. God. It was the Saturday of Easter.
00:34:07
Speaker
Resurrection Saturday, where I talk about bands who who nearly died but were saved by changing a lead singer or something else happening that got them their second wind. Okay.
00:34:18
Speaker
That's the resurrection I'm talking about. Nice. I knew was something like that. so Yeah, exactly. Awesome. yeah so listen You can listen to that at noon, on the 19th of April. and All right. Mark that on your calendars. And Tony, we'll do this again in seven days.
00:34:32
Speaker
You betcha.