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Ep 132 - Cryptoterrestrials: Ancient Indigenous Humanoids & the UAP Phenomena
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What if the ‘Others’ are not really others but brothers (or at least cousins) who have been sharing this planet with us for Millenia?
Having realised that the planet suffers regular catastrophes they moved underground tens of thousands of years ago and left the surface dwellers to it, popping back up occasionally to see what’s happening and perhaps influence events.
Join Greg and Dave as we discuss the above. What do you think?
Read the article here - https://ufoidentified.co.uk/articles/f/crypto-conundrum-a-hairs-breadth-from-the-truth
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Transcript
Introduction to Pursuit of the Paranormal
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Welcome to the worst nightmare of all. Reality. Explore the lesser known stories of our unknown world. Join the pursuit of the paranormal with Ash and Greg.
Hosting Change Due to Ash's Absence
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Hello and welcome to another episode of Pursuit of the Paranormal. At this point, I would normally say, hey Ash, how are you doing? But nothing to me. So fortunately, Ash has taken unwell as I speak. It's not feeling great. So it's left to me and my guests to run the show tonight.
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This will be interesting.
Guest Introduction: Dave Smithhurst
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So welcome along, Dave. Dave Smithhurst. Everybody who's listened to the show before will have heard you on the roundtables on other episodes we've done. So.
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Yeah, it's just me and you tonight, Dave. Yeah, well, that's good. I mean, Pity Ash is not there, but he just said he was... He didn't say he was indisposed, but now I gather he is. He said he had to step out, I think was the phrase he used to me earlier in the day or early this evening. So now that she had a new light on that. Unfortunately, I thought of a better backstory where sort of I was knitted together by Frankenstein, a youthful thinker.
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you know on Pendle Hill you know from the various different body parts so he had somebody to talk to ufology about you know in 2017 but I realised it didn't fly really so I'll have to stick to my original story
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Yeah. Awesome. But yeah, thanks for for coming on again. It's always a great chat and you know, I message you on Twitter and and tell you there's always a great chat where we're we're in a good old gym wag as the English say on on the podcast episodes and we can talk for England. So what are we going to discuss tonight, Dave?
Exploring Crypto Terrestrials and Their Link to Paranormal Phenomena
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Well, what I thought we'd do and something we've sort of talked about a little bit, talk about the subject of crypto terrestrials.
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yes and and there's quite a lot to it quite interesting and we'll just see where we get to i mean we might end up depending on how much we teamwork which might be a lot we might have to do uh in two parts but we'll just see where we get to because there's loads of interesting stuff
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Yep. And it ties together a lot of stuff in the field. So what I'll do, uh, I'll go through a bit of a, I just do a bit of an introduction to it and then we'll just seconds go and we'll just see how we'll see how we go from there. You just dive in as normal. It is one of those subjects that some people know about. I've got a slight interest in as in there is.
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You've got the UFO people, you've got the cryptid people, you've got the paranormal people and people like you and me to a certain extent who are fascinated by not just what's happening now, but what has happened a long time before and what
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what we're being, what's being held back, why it's being held back and anybody that has looked into ancient civilizations and that kind of thing, we'll kind of get what we're going to talk about. But I hope it brings new light to people who haven't really dabbled in it because it's it's almost like it is a cover up, essentially.
Crypto Terrestrial Theory vs. Extraterrestrial Hypothesis
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especially when when you go about all the information and let talking through that I think it's it's one of those areas that once people have a little listen to this episode and go oh actually that's a bit that's a bit weird and why why is this happening why is that not happening so I think we might find some people this will be a new direction for them that they'll they'll start looking into so yeah I'm fascinated
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idea. That's a really, really good point, actually. And I think that it has the potential to offer a bit of, you know, to go on the unified theory of physics, well, in a way, and we'll get on to it later on, if we get to the, I was a bit of a profile of cryptos, as I'm saying various different things.
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that actually ties together a lot of things like cryptids and a number of other things. And it'll be interesting to see what people think about that. But that's a bit of a way off yet.
Mac Tonnies' Book and the Concept of a Sister Humanoid Race
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But it is one of them things. So, I mean, I basically, I wrote an article, I put it on UFO identifying with Ash. Now I originally wrote it for liberation times in December, 2021.
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Chris had been talking about it for a bit and we just wanted to put it on and I did it as what they like to call in the chattering class is a counterfactual whereby you take an existing scenario and you just redefine it a little bit and see if anything else fits what if Hitler would have won the war what if I don't know your Pearl Harbor didn't happen that sort of thing or whatever
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Well, it's really interesting just to set the facts and try and is there another alternative explanation for what we see now in the UFO field? Because it's very useful because there's so many strands in it these days and it's so complex, it's quite a useful exercise. So I'm not saying what I'm saying is true.
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but it does offer an interesting alternative to the classic extraterrestrial hypothesis and listening to you and asking a lot of the chats I was thinking about a chat listening to you guys I mean last year about the different theories and there are so many competing theories now it is interesting just to be able to look at the facts now more specifically
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I actually remember what really got me anyway what happened was I did this article liberation times but I wasn't quite happy with it because it was good article but like anything you haven't got enough time you haven't got enough space so I did this big article and Ash was good enough to put it on his site and it covered a lot more stuff we're gonna get into tonight really.
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So, but what really set me down that road, does the fellow called Mac Tony's, which I'll get into in a minute, but he sort of created this idea of critical terrestrials, which I'm going to have described to people in a little bit.
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And so I end up, his book come out, it was around 2010. I remember catching up with him about two years later and just seeing it. But then you may remember sometime about probably 2018-19, Lou Elizondo, he mentioned, I didn't, if you ran him a girl on the, that UFO podcast, I mentioned humankind's.
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And he also mentioned a book called Change of the Sea. Now, humankind was a reference to maybe we've got somebody else with us on the planet. And this Change of the Sea is about, is a book, a sci-fi book about different races we don't see living on the planet.
Abilities of Crypto Terrestrials: Manipulation of Electromagnetic Spectrum
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So it was a bit of, it felt to be a bit of a hint. So I sort of, I sort of revisited and I thought, I immediately thought of the crypto stuff and some of the links and as you know, I'm into it, ancient civilizations.
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So I sort of got into it that way. So I've really been looking at it ever since, really, in parallel to the other stuff we look at.
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So, yeah, so that was where we were with it. So I thought I might first just go into the car, sort of crypto terrestrial fairy, and then we'll see where we go from now. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. We will go with, go with you and I'll dive in. Yeah. When you wish. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Right. Well, I'm going to start with a quote from, and I'm not being, whatever, what's the word, hubristic or whatever the word is. I think I'm running out of words myself with that one. But anyway, yeah.
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I have a quote from my own article at the start because I thought I read it the other day when I was thinking about this and I thought it's quite good and it sort of sums up the crypto thingies and this is there. What if the others are not really others but brothers or at least cousins who have been sharing this planet with us for millennia? Have you realised that the planet suffers regular catastrophes?
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They moved underground tens of thousands of years ago, unless the surface dwellers to it, popping back occasionally to see what's happening and perhaps to influence events. So that in a nutshell sums up the crypto terrestrial hypothesis. After this, now, basically it's a book written by Mac Tonas in 2010.
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And it was called Cryptoterecile. Now he died shortly after that. I'm not sure if he died. Hopefully it wasn't one of those suspicious things, but it was one of the rare cancer, very rare form of cancer again. But I haven't delved into the dodgy side of that or whatever, because there's some people I do think have been off like that. But anyway, well, let's not go down that route. But basically, very unfortunately that, and I think they found the manuscript in his papers,
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along with the book will come out later on about his diaries as well. But anyway, he was a real forward thinker and he was very good at turning situations on the head and looking at things in you. And he was very interested in the wide rating. He's a real loss to the community. Anyway, so he wrote this short book called Crypto Terrestrial. It's only under the 40 pages. You can get it on Amazon and advise anybody to give it a read. So this is what he said, basically.
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There was a sister humanoid race living on the planet Krypto,
Human Evolution and Crypto Terrestrial Adaptations
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to rest they'll just be secret earth dwellers for people. That's my, that's my translation. Secret earth dwellers. So there's a sister human race living on the planet with us. It actually split from humanity many thousands of years ago. Lives largely underground because of repeated cataclysms and that's why they chose to move underground at some point.
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They've got high tech compared to us. They look like us, sort of. Some interesting talk about how much they look like us, maybe look a bit different. Low in numbers, but they seek to keep themselves hidden because they're low in numbers. And it's a sort of secretive and sort of misdirection as to which I get into. And they occasionally influence human affairs in their interests.
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the the
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they're like humankind to help them. Do you mentioned about what these, these are like human-like, sister humans, people talking about what they look like. Now, if they've been underground for 10, like thousands and thousands of years, do you think they've sort of adapted slightly larger eye?
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which could amount to what people are seeing. Have I jumped ahead? No, but it's worth saying no, because I was weighing up whether to say at this point anyway. Yes, so there's a bit of a variance of it and Toner himself thought there was like different variations because he did think there'd been sort of appearance attrition and change through living underground.
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But he theorised there were some who looked very much like us, could pass for us. But a lot of them as well looked had bigger eyes, twice the size, longer faces, longer noses, taller cheekbones, a lot of them were blonde, tall,
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and we'll get on to all that, but some of them all were darker in appearance, Asiatic in appearance, but again, you know, tongue got bigger over time. So yeah, there is a particular type, and we'll get onto it in a second, but there was some sort of genetic deterioration. So there was some who looked like, because some others weren't, and other profiles we'll get on to much later on, say there may be a couple of different times. So I think it's entirely reasonable to assume
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but it's quite a bit of variation there because depending on when they split from humanity and the conditions, there could well be, but there's, you know, people do look quite different as well. And it's a small population as well. So yeah, so it's a bit up in the air that, but yeah, it looked like us, but different, but like hybrids actually, Greg. It's a bit of a lot. Okay. So it's interesting because I just suddenly thought of something that I saw on the news within the last couple of years that
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humans are still evolving.
Why Are Crypto Terrestrials Interested in Nuclear Activities?
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So there are the kids now, there's a lot of children being born without wisdom teeth.
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Really? I didn't know that. Yep. So people are being born now without wisdom because there's no use for them. So humanity is evolving over, that's within our lifetime. Michael Masters, because one of the critics says, you know, he does that temporal thing where they come in back from the future and they look a bit like grays and people say, well, how can we
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And we estimated the time they're coming back from based on the amount of change that they've undergone. But in the course of that conversation, it does say humans are evolving that same conversation. And environmental factors may well mean quicker evolution. Because I remember a lot of people have said, come on, Michael, it's hundreds of thousands of years and it are tens of thousands, not just 12 or something.
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So he said, no, ever. So that was, that's an, that's an interest. So that is certainly he's an expert in that. And he thinks there could be quite significant change over time. So yeah. And if you, as I say, depending on when they split off.
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That's very interesting. Just for the listeners, there's loads of stuff to all this. So I'm sort of doing shorthand a little bit just to get through it. Because we could get into all these things quite deeply. So they'll have to take a little bit on faith, but there's a bit behind it, as it were, even if it's, you know, because I'm just trying to give the bare bones of what you're saying there. But hopefully there'll be enough detail.
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and make it they can see the we'll put the link to the article. Yeah. It's on UFO identified.co.uk. There's a good reading list at the end of the article. load of books on it as well. They can be and we can do it up some more in depth. Yeah, we're interested. Yeah. So, I mean,
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Anyway, so we go back to that sister human race, split from humanity, live underground, high tech, low numbers, keep self secret and occasionally influence human affairs. Now, not always, Greg, as we'll come to see, maybe not always in our interest, but we'll get onto that. But it does fit the UAP facts quite well in some ways, but we observe. So
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We've observed in the phenomena of craft, but change over time. We had airships in the late 19th century, then we had rockets, then we had saucers, then we had the tic-tacs. The ships have kept changing and they've kept pace rather subtly with our technology. Yeah, that's an interesting one.
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Also, these human-looking creatures, which is quite unlikely if you think about it, but they would look human if they come from another evolutionary path and another planet. Their origin stories, they keep telling people, they encounter, keep pace with our scientific understanding. So there were fairies in the Middle Ages, as it were. Then they come from Mars when we didn't know much about the solar system. Then it's distant star systems. Then it's different galaxies. Basically, the story keeps changing.
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the suspicion being its misdirection. And also, there's obviously been a rise. They're more interested in it since we split the atom, basically, just around the end of the water. There's been a massive rise in activity. Now, why would that really interest another ET race? Obviously, we can think loftily about how it might be a warning to them and all the rest of it. And it could be of things.
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But a more direct reason might be if it threatens their existence because they're living on the same planet. And so they actually have to move from observation to sort of more intervention. And that might have been the change. And all those things mean that this theory of somebody sharing the planet with us
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could explain a lot of the things that are a bit incongruous because all those things are quite hard to explain in the UFO narrative in terms of the extraterrestrial hypothesis. And of course, there are always warnings about continual ecological disaster. Because clearly, if you're living under a nuclear pile, a nuclear stockpile or whatever, and your water's being polluted, then you're not going to be very happy about it, are you? They're probably deep enough down to have sorted out.
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So we've seen this move from sort of god-like indifference to sort of more action. We've got active surveillance in nuclear facilities. We've got on buzzing fighter planes, in particular nuclear weapons of war, undersea, submarines, aircraft carriers, nuclear powered aircraft carriers, and ones that are carrying nuclear weapons. And also this big thing about telling a variety of people to protect the planet.
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And interestingly, they're going about protecting the planet, but they don't really say much about protecting the population. They're not particularly bothered about that. So that's, again, interesting. And that comes back to some of the messages that they want to influence is maybe quite self-serving. So the messages seem to be, the big messages, don't play with matches and you're killing the planet. They're the two things that they come out with, which again, would be consistent with somebody who's got a vested interest and is not
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I mean, it's not a great communication strategy really, but it's quite visible. It's got simple messages. It's got shock and awe, but the thing is they try not to give the game away. Remember that's the thing. It's all misdirection and subterfuge this. Yeah. It must be, it must be, there's a definite fine line between. Influencing or trying to influence and essentially looking like you're
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taking over the planet?
Government Collaboration with Crypto Terrestrials for Cataclysm Preparation
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Well, the theory is that the more detailed work that they're doing, that's what Tonus was getting at as well, was he's maybe doing more secretly and they're quietly infiltrating our institutions or doing things and events without us knowing. And that's the big worry, isn't it? And that is, I think, the unspoken worry, wherever the others are from. If they're able to look like us or mimic us or whatever,
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then used to know in the area and that's the old sci-fi trope in it of who can you trust and all that but but apparently just to digress when Eisenhower apparently had his meeting him think he was 54 is it famous meeting I don't think it was Holman it was another one it was another f-up Edwards of it anyway whatever one it was he the thing that freaked him out the most was they looked like they looked like humans and then he showed him this invisibility trick
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And he said, well, we could, we're totally open to these guys. You know what I mean? And that really scared him apparently. So whether that's true or not, it isn't this idea of quietly influencing. And if you remember Robert Bigelow said in that famous interview, they walk among us every day. And there's a few other people said that.
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So the other one, the invaders, if you're really old, they're like me, there's this 50s show. I mean, I only know it because they showed it. David Janssen, but he used to show it on kids telling, you know, in the morning or whatever. And you could tell the aliens because they have this sort of spot like hand, you know, they could put a hand in a V shape. Very interesting.
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You just did that as well, Dave, so what does that say? I don't know, maybe, well, I'll give the game away again. I am in fact a Zylon and not to be trusted. Anyway, so what he said was Tonnes, basically, Mac Tonnes, but they had two main technological advantages.
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Basically they were able to, and this will become important later on, they could manipulate the electromagnetic spectrum and matter. So that's anti-grab portals, stuff like that. So that was one technological advantage they had. And the other was they were able to manipulate our minds through psychic control, ability to generate illusions and all the rest of it.
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And we can think about something I mentioned in a couple of slide nine, which we can get into a bit later, which was this famous slide talking, I think it was from 18 from Chris Mellon saying, but the others had these mental abilities and they could walk through barriers and walk through secret installations. And there's a lot of echoes of that in that Thomas was talking about based on a lot of accounts he'd looked at. Yeah. So.
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It sort of explains a lot of both the craft and the encounters that we hear about.
Advanced Technologies: Why Do UAPs Crash?
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The big point, though, is they might well have developed a different science to us. Although I may be discover things, but we haven't. See what I mean? And so that's the plan. There's a bit of a link to the ancient sieve stuff when we get onto that a bit later on. So people keep their ears on that.
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It might also explain why their tech is impressive, very impressive, but it's not so advanced. We can't envisage it. See what I mean? And they occasionally crash and it occasionally doesn't work.
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and all the rest of it, yeah. So that's an interesting one. That does come up, yeah, it does come up. It's like they can, based on people's sort of knowledge, they say, how can they come from wherever they come, thousands and millions of miles away or light years, and then they come to earth and then they crash with this advanced tech. That is a good
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That's a good explanation as to why that might happen. That's right. I mean, when you start getting into this, you start being, you know, yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, that ticks that box. So it's quite seductive as a theory. I mean, it's a long way, but it is. No, it is seductive. Yeah. I use it because it's a bit pejorative in it though, because you think you're being tricked. Well, maybe you are, maybe you're not, but it is very, it's one of them things. And so the other, because the other thing about the tech is we saw
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If it's likely that they were an entirely different ET civilization, just through a lot of averages, what's the chances that they'd be very much a very similar tech level to us?
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The chances are they'd be very much more advanced just through the law of averages. So the fact we've got humanoid beings that have got tech, but we can envisage even though it's a lot better than ours might suggest, but we're on a similar technological timeline and we just, we've missed the trick and all the civilization hasn't, I mean, that's a bit of a leap, but it is interesting.
Defining Non-Human Intelligence
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Would that tick the non-human intelligence box?
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Well, well, well, it's not quite human intelligence. Well, I thought, and I didn't want to go on about it because we had so much to go on about behind. I immediately clocked that when he said that, that non-human day. If you think about it, it could cover this, this scenario and to be very careful. And they ultimately say,
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Because it's a bit of a debate if you believe this, or you take this theory on board, but they might actually just be humans, they're just a different branch. So it actually ends up saying that definition, whoever's flying the craft is a non-human intelligence, if that makes sense. Yes, and that covers everything then, it covers extra-terrestrial everything.
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Yeah, and that's why I sort of emphasise that a little bit when we were going through it as well, because it's quite important. And that's why I actually prefer saying non-known civilisation, because I think I said that a lot, but as I said, stop saying that because it's more confusing for people to use it once. But I think they may well have been edging a little bit because they might know more about the origin of the others than they say, if that makes sense.
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Yeah, so I suppose then I remember this bit I'm going to talk about next is the sort of darker side of the cryptos or what tonus for was the side and I remember calling it's not all good man I seem to remember all in this bit in the article because I've been watching back all saw I think when I was so good isn't it but anyway
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There was a bit of a dystopian aspect, though, as I say, he theorized just from, again, observation, looking at cases. He went through a load of UFO cases and counters, and that's how he sort of built this picture up. They maybe once were powerful, but they're in decline sort of after thousands of years in the gloom and the lack of genetic diversity. So a bit like what you were sort of, well, an area you were going on.
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So they're a bit like, I suppose, the Wizard of Oz, you know, like sort of hiding behind this sort of psychic curtain outnumbered and using sort of misdirection to disguise the lack of potency or, you know, numbers or power really. So that's quite an interesting one. So this Wizard of Oz thing really struck me as a really good analogy, you know. Definitely.
00:25:48
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he theorized that the lack of genetic diversity might explain the harvesting of genetic materials from both humans and animals. Now, if you think about it might therefore, obviously, I'm sure you've already gone to this, I explain abductions and disappearances and even cattle mutilation as well and all that sort of stuff. So it's really interesting. Now, the other interesting thing is from fairies to present day,
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There's always a bit of a surreal quality to the encounters when people are talking about them. And there's also a variety of different aliens which would, you think, drive a hole into the crypto terrestrial one. But it could be that a lot of these things are psychically generated as are a lot of the different craft and things we see.
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And also the psychic stuff again is about getting compliance from people and getting them to do what they say. So again, there's this whole thing of misdirection and overworldliness and sort of an undue psychic influence, but sort of gets go through all this a bit like a stick of rock.
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So, I mean, there's a bit more, just to go on from that, just to develop it a little bit more. But I think that's quite interesting, the sort of darker side of toners was going on about. Now, for me, I don't think this whole, I think this crypto thing, it's not a bad fit, clearly it doesn't fit everything. But I don't think personally, if I'm looking at the things, and who am I, but it's my view anyway,
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But I don't think they're quite as reduced in power as maybe Tony has suggested. And there's been a bit more about, and I think the craft and the tech, it looks powerful. They seem to have a large infrastructure around the globe, under water, in different places. And for me, they don't, obviously they might have some problems that necessitate abduction, but it don't seem to be on the decline as much.
00:27:47
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So that's, so what are the alternatives explanation? See, one might be that we're approaching another like cyclical cataclysm. You know, if we think there's these things that happen every so often, how are we approaching another one?
UAPs and Nuclear Silos: Crypto Terrestrials' Interests
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And it may well be, but all these activities, the crypto-terrestrials don't want us to tech them with them. Even via a nuclear catastrophe, also the industrial infrastructure poisoning the planet.
00:28:15
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You know, in a way that even they might not be able to clean up or survive. It's a massive shift because I, just to sort of jump in, you've got the whole Maelstrom Air Force Base where this unidentified object shut down all the nuclear weapons.
00:28:35
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and you think actually this crypto terrestrial sort of take on things that they're not trying to help humanity because we we think that they're trying to stop us now we get into this tech where we can destroy worlds um to quote Oppenheimer about becoming the destroyer of worlds um yeah I know it's this new on it destroy the worlds yeah but yeah Oppenheimer quote yeah
00:29:04
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now I am become the Destroyer of Worlds. I remember that as a teenager reading about that. When I hear that clip, when you hear Oppenheimer say, now I am become death, the Destroyer of Worlds, after that first nuclear bomb went off, you just think, that's quite a dark moment in humanity. Sorry, I went slightly off track there, but the whole Maelstrom thing,
00:29:33
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that they're not actually saving us from killing each other, actually. Well, you're right. That takes our boss, that they're saving the planet. So you didn't go a truck of talk, because actually, that's the point. They might just want us to go quietly. That's the thing. Now, another thing I remember talking to Frank Millman about this, and I'll show you with Frank. Now, we've only seen him do it one at a time with the nuclear weapons.
00:29:57
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I mean, the thing about knocking out nukes is you either knock them all out or you don't bother. Now they've never done that, have they? So it might be that they're only able to knock out a couple at a time, or maybe... But they're quite localised. Yeah, yeah. And the amp got the power to do that on the numbers. And it might be like you were implying there, but they just test it out to see if they can do it. And it's all surveillance about thinking how can... So how do we shut the nuclear power plants off so it doesn't poison the world?
00:30:23
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How do we stop them launching the missiles and stop that? And you know, how do we stop the industry? They might be just weighing that up. And that's just that little warnings they're giving. We can shut down this air force base and all your weapons on this site. Just imagine what else we can do. But showing that little bit of force, giving us a little bit of a slap to just sort of go,
00:30:47
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Well, keep in check, boys. It's no coincidence that the sultry, well, no, it may be a coincidence, it may be entirely a coincidence, but you could argue that the sultry in 1972, the strategic arms limitation talks, some people say in the field that it's a direct consequence of that contact with the nuclear installations in the 60s, it scared the death out of the Americans and Russians. And that was the quid pro quo that they did, this limited the size of them. Now, if you think they're talking to somebody about that,
00:31:16
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that's the scenario that would sort of make sense. Absolutely. Anyway, more charitably, they may well be working with our governments to help them prepare for this cataclysm out of sort of enlightened self-interest really. So, and if you think about that scenario,
00:31:35
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That might explain a couple of things, a few other things. I mean, they might be, because it might explain why the government covering this up so completely in the first place, you know, almost like playing whack-a-mole with anything, you know, killing people, you know, all the rest of it. They don't want any talk of it, massive disinformation, a great risk to their own liberty and the Constitution, the law. And why is a small but really powerful group allowed to jealously guard
00:32:03
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This UAP secret, how have they been allowed this license unless and because they know something's come in. That's the underlying point I'm making.
00:32:11
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The other thing is there's persistently large rumors of large construction projects in the US, underground massive ones, big mining machines. Now clearly there might well be some military based stuff in here but it seems to be a lot. And you know those noises people keep hearing underground and all the rest of it. There's a lot of that stuff and I think that could, may not but
00:32:35
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it could potentially be explained by that, because if you think if they're preparing for whatever's coming and they're digging massively underground or some sort of shelter for the selected few, because they'd only probably be able to save about a million or two million or whatever tops, you know, or whatever, you know, it's like getting the sci-fi scenario of selecting the best sort of, you know, a selection of the population, which might happen to all the
00:33:02
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please off that last book but yeah but anyway so so so anyway so uh also there's a phenomenon not so much now but until 2017 there was a lot of people who made a big noise about the phenomenon and the uaps and what they weren't going to do when they got in office or got in power or whatever or when they got more information they actually when they were read in
00:33:27
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He so curiously went quiet, which would imply, happened to Carter, it happened to a few people, which would imply, but once they were told what was happening, Congress just said, well, actually, we've only got 40 years and this is what we're doing if we tell everybody, they're all gonna panic. That would be a reason for him to be quiet, wouldn't it? Now, it might also explain why apparently Jimmy Carter, when he was finally read in after these battles with George Bush Sr.,
00:33:57
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He was allegedly found crying in the White House after he'd been
Presidential UFO Briefings and Emotional Reactions
00:34:01
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briefed. You've all followed that story. Well, what would make a man who's capable of being the president, a woman, whatever, capable of being the president of the United States cry like that? I mean, I can't say it's just, you know, it can't say it's just he found out, but we've had DNA experiments. He might upset you, but he wouldn't upset you. So that, you know, it's a pretty big thing that, I think. I mean, again, this is just speculation.
00:34:26
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And there's a whole sort of thing with Tom Delonge in that interview with Kurt. I can't remember the second name now. That Kurt theory of everything. Kurt Jaimungal, that's it.
00:34:36
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He, Tom Delonge says once he understood it, he's got as many sleepless nights. And Tom Delonge talks about taking measures against these people. If we knew the situation, we know it. And he implies there's something serious behind it. And there's a few other people who've said seven things. What's his name? Bryce Zabel tells a story when he was a sort of intern with this guy who was, I think he was the economics minister in Reagan's cabinet. I can't remember the title.
00:35:05
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and he told him when he was in the military that he'd been told some terrible the nature of the secret and he couldn't get to he took him weeks to get to sleep and he and he wouldn't tell Bryce what it was but he said he said well why are you that worried because i've got daughters so the implication is
00:35:22
Speaker
But there's some sort of, when people understand there's some sort of secret thing that's quite bad, and I don't want to scare everybody, but it's just, I don't know either way, I'm not, so I'll be honest, and hopefully it isn't true, but there's this thing, there seems to be this thing about something happening, so it may well be, there's a chance that we are working in partnership with these bees to just ensure that, now,
00:35:48
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The next thing you have to think about is why would there be a big push that in 2017, it's often the questions often asked at that point. Well, why now? Why are you doing that? Well, it may well be. But. But there's been a big, as I said, is the big push. The main reason that that was touted was that they were sick of compartmentalization. You weren't developing the technology and falling behind the Russians and Chinese, but I never really flew for me.
00:36:17
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because they could sort that out quietly without having to push it, push it. But I mean, what if the real reason was that there's a new generation of the sort of military and intelligence officials, they found out about this impending catastrophe, but they think there might be other options. So we might really be seeing with all this activity now somebody trying to arrest control of the wheel from the sort of fatalistic sort of cabal of old guys.
00:36:46
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and maybe even rest it from the CT, from the crystal-terrestrial conspirators as well. I mean, we don't know, do we? So that is another really interesting scenario. And just to finish off, I think there's some
00:37:01
Speaker
we get to the end of this little bit now there's some quite profound implications basically about that so so on its own the discovery of another human sieve living underground would be sort of jaw-dropping wouldn't it you know it'd be really shockers and it'd be amazing now if you add but it's actually because of frequent catastrophes and cataclysms that's pretty serious now if you then add
00:37:27
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But one of these cataclysm is imminent. That'd be like a moment of surreal panic. I don't know how I'm laughing, but it would be a moment of surreal panic. It's either laugh or cry. Yeah. Yeah. So I know it's all speculation. We don't know, but it does illustrate the CT theory, the Cryptoterestro theory.
00:37:48
Speaker
create these other possibilities and it shows you can start to interpret quite weird things that are happening in the UFO scene in a different light and maybe play around with them and think about what they might mean. It's interesting because I
00:38:06
Speaker
When we first started the journey of the podcasting and whatnot, and I got to know Ash, I always thought the UFOs and other beings were from our space. I didn't really think about it any other way.
00:38:24
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But as time goes on, I actually think that that is less likely than this kind of hypothesis.
Exploring Crypto Terrestrial Origins vs. Extraterrestrial
00:38:32
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Yeah, well, I remember you guys having that. There's a couple of episodes, there was one particular one where you looked at the inter-dimension and all that, and that was the sort of consensus, because you remember I was pulling actually his leg because he dismissed the cryptosurrestrial theory, didn't he?
00:38:47
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I just just worth saying now because I meant to say at the start I'm sticking with Mac Tony's definition and he says the crypto terrestrial humanoid beings sort of whatever that is.
00:38:59
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and the flesh and blood. Now you've got ultra terrestrials, which is a bit of a fluid definition. It can cover what I've just described, but also there's an implication you may be interdimensional or they're living in a separate reality. Then you've got into, you've got properly dimensional beings who are living in another parallel. So there's a load of different ones, but for these purposes, we're sticking to this more of a flesh and blood beam as in our reality. But that's interesting now. But yet that there are a number of
00:39:26
Speaker
different explanations and again one of the most compelling things and I'm not sure what I think about it really because Chris Bellen and if you're the ones in the know do seem to think he's actually so I've got to give a lot of weight to that to be honest with you but yeah anyway but I do think there's a lot of
00:39:46
Speaker
Those stances, it's more logical if they look like us and all the rest of it, but they're actually come from the planet rather than, and because the nature was technologically relatively speaking. So you just mentioned Christopher Mellon and Lou Alesondo, Alesondo a while ago. So these are these guys that have been involved in this subject matter for a while.
00:40:15
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from the government side, part of programs, all that kind of stuff. And they always stop short of saying, this is exactly what I know, for whatever reason, NDAs, all that kind of stuff, and I get that. But which one of these are we supposed to
00:40:34
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sort of trust for sort of the direction they're they're trying to drop hints a lot of the time I get that and um it's just like oh just tell me what you know
00:40:48
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and then we can kind of all go down that route. But you kind of sometimes hear different versions of something. And I didn't know which one of these speakers, I'll say speakers in terms of like these guys that are putting their head up above the parapet to sort of try and break the message. Which one should we, in your opinion,
00:41:11
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Which ones should we be listening to more than others, do you think? Well, I think the conventional forge, not forge, but it is a forge, I suppose, is to say that it's not just one phenomenon. It's different ones. And some may be ET, some may be crypto, some may be interdimensional. There's a number of things we're dealing with, you know? Yeah.
00:41:33
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So that is one thing. Now, if you listen, me and Frank had a big, long conversation. I think we did a sort of part of a pod on it, but we mentioned it. If you listen to Melanie, he's very much extraterrestrial. He's very focused on the satellites and all that. And he's pretty clear. It's that. Alexander, not so much. He sort of talks about DNA manipulation, but he talks about this human kinds and interdimensional stuff.
00:41:57
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and people working at different times. So there's a bit of a, I think there must be some level of debate amongst them. And if you listen to Gary Nolan again, he said extraterrestrial, but then he said, but they might not be as we know it. So then you've got, what's his name? Jim Semivan saying they've been here, they've always been here, the tricksters and you know, and all that. And you know, it's as older than we are, you know? So the answer to the question is I don't know, Greg.
00:42:24
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Well I do but more sophisticatedly I think one can only assume there's more than one phenomenon going on or there is one phenomenon and it's manifested in vastly different ways.
00:42:39
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But if you were to follow the crypto thing, what it would be is Tony's would say, although what's happening is for misdirection and all the rest of it, what's happening is that they're giving us the illusion that they're actually terrorists, but they're not. I mean, they saw a good laugh. They saw a living here and they've got a big infrastructure below the ground.
00:43:01
Speaker
and they are here and they just thrown us off the scent really because the last thing they want, particularly if they aren't big in numbers, is us a lot getting on the sink because we'll be firing the caves and all the rest of it won't we? You can imagine, can't you? I say Charles and find that large missile down there. Very much so. We can't have good things anyway. We always ruin stuff.
00:43:29
Speaker
And one thing I would say, I've always been a bit reluctant to say, oh yeah, it's all consciousness, man, which you hear a lot of, and it's all these big amorphous beings. What I actually think is whoever it is, be it ET or whatever, have figured out the relationship between consciousness and manipulating matter.
00:43:51
Speaker
and they just understand how to manipulate it. But it's very much to hear in the present, they're not dead or they're not on different astral planes, they just know the science more and are able to mess with reality more.
00:44:06
Speaker
I think there is an argument if you should follow this, but it is what it is, the CTs are mainly. And if we get something out of the profile tonight, you'll see that a bit more clearly within that. But yeah, so I don't know. I mean, two minds, but I'm always thinking at the back of my mind.
00:44:23
Speaker
how could the crypto exploration suit this? And that's when them definitions come out. Again, that was interesting. Because there's been a few reports, there's one report, for instance, of the crypto trestles, which I'll get into later. They have this sort of cloaking technology being found in military installations, the shadow people, you know, in nuclear installations. And one in the 60s in Britain in the 70s, this guy was found. So there's quite a few. And there's also a report in another book,
00:44:51
Speaker
But this NASA guy, mate, these guys in the desert, and they said, oh, yeah, we've been we've been here for ages and, you know, and explain the full scenario of who they were. So there's a lot of and the technology they had. So the point is, there's a lot of things that would fit.
00:45:08
Speaker
you know, that explanation, the point is the military may well be aware of that. Yeah. It'll be why they would put the, you know, that stuff in place. Cool. Anyway, so we saw at the end of the car thing now. Yeah.
Historical Evidence of Advanced Civilizations
00:45:23
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And I thought we might go into the historical bit next, if that's all right with you. Yeah, let's go.
00:45:30
Speaker
So one of the main objections to the crypto-terrestrial theory is there's no real historical evidence of an early advanced civilization. Well, that's what mainstream agriculture has been saying to most people. Now, there's a very simple answer to this. If they did go underground, say, 20,000 years ago, there wouldn't be much evidence of them there because it'd all be eroded. We've seen some of the older structures are almost totally eroded.
00:45:57
Speaker
And there might also be old, many old artifacts that are buried deep underground or beneath the sea, but we just haven't found. So it could well be that the argument doesn't mean anything. But let's just, but I think there are also signs
00:46:14
Speaker
in our more recent but still very ancient past that might give us some clues. So I'll just have to backtrack a little bit. Now again, if people want to look at the article, I go into this in some detail. So I am truncating it a little bit and just trying to pull out the main things, but there is a bit more to it than what I'm saying. So if people bear with me on that, why is he saying this? There is a bit more behind it, but hopefully it'll make sense.
00:46:38
Speaker
Yeah. So you've got classical archaeology, but basically see civilizations emerging around 4000 BC, maybe 4000 BC in some area. Now that view has been increasingly challenged by older and older discoveries of civilizations. We're seeing Lebecce Tepe around 11,000 years ago. Big Lidar discoveries of these old cities. But there's a number of things that are being found that are a lot older than this conventional thing and the old
00:47:09
Speaker
Some of the oldest of these, the other thing is, a lot of them are oldest civilisations that we find are often the most sophisticated. And then the decline later on, a bit like the building the pyramids in the Egyptians got worse at it. Or you find some cities in the Indus Valley that were brilliantly laid out and had running water and all that, and then they were rubbish after that, obviously slowly got worse. The implication is there was an earlier, much more advanced civilisation, and they were like the remnants of that.
00:47:38
Speaker
So there's a few things there. Now the archaeologists still sort of fight against this and there's loads of examples of denial, suppression, people not getting granted funding, people on the grants taken off and not being scared to dig below certain levels. When did he want to look at that mewing detection, the big cavity he found in the pyramids because he said that he wouldn't find anything and there's a whole
00:48:03
Speaker
and archaeology really is very much it's almost like art history it was formed in colonial times and it's this discipline with a lot of outdated assumptions about ancient peoples and all the rest of it so it's a bit of a flawed science many people say and it's not very multi-disciplinary in terms of science and all the rest of it so it's under a lot of pressure the moment as the Graham Hancock thing showed now clearly
00:48:29
Speaker
if you've got an archaeologist on there they probably felt foaming at the mouth and they would say it's a lot of rubbish what I'm saying but there's more alternative thinkers but the evidence that's set it up seems to be quite strong and I'll get into some of that in a bit but what it really means is that hints of all the technological civilizations are not likely to emerge in the mainstream and they won't be looked for so the argument is we don't see any evidence well they wouldn't probably talk about it or look for it anyway so that
00:48:58
Speaker
maybe we have to scratch a little deeper.
Flood Myths and Cyclical Destruction
00:49:01
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Now the first thing we do have tales of destruction in a lot of myth, flood myths, we've got you know from all over the ancient world the most famous one is Atlantis but there's one from the Egyptians with Foth and it all is about an ancient civilization being destroyed and some of the survivors starting again. There's loads of different legends and different winds so
00:49:24
Speaker
A lot of these, with the flood myths and these different stories from around the world, from different cultures, from India, from South America, from Egypt, from wherever, it does seem to suggest that there is some sort of cyclical, or there could be some cyclical, destructive cycles. Now, they were originally dismissed, but there's more evidence recently, perhaps, Comet Strikes. That's the big one from Graham Hanstock.
00:49:49
Speaker
Hancock, the younger dry-ass comet strike, which was the latest one about 12,000 years ago. There's also a lot of potential evidence around solar flares, which Dr. Robert Schott goes for and all the rest of it, and even talk about mini-novas and all that from some people. But anyway, solar flares, evidence for that. There's a lot of burning around the world. Those vitrified forces, Scotland might be examples of that. There's a few things of old statues as well in Egypt, but a burn and melt at the moment.
00:50:18
Speaker
There's no explanation of how it might happen. And even sort of global seismic events have sort of been mentioned, like a sort of crustal displacement where the earth's crust shifting, which is a bit weirder. Charles Hatwell went for that, but there's a more modern sort of theory of that, which I'll go into again in a bit more detail.
00:50:36
Speaker
But I suppose to show water that, to cut to the chase really, in sort of myths and in the geological record, there's some sort of suggestion that there's a cyclical catastrophe that goes on that might have forced a branch of human civilisation underground.
Advanced Ancient Technologies and Terra Preta
00:50:51
Speaker
There's evidence to suggest sophisticated scientific knowledge, which I'll get on to, and shared iconography across the globe at a much earlier date. Because the other thing the archaeology says, these civilizations never talk to each other. And it's quite clear you see similar tools and techniques and all the rest of it all over the place, and iconography and even just pyramids and that sort of thing.
00:51:12
Speaker
I was going to say the pyramid is a classic example of that. Yeah. And so once you've got evidence of a global civilization that was at least seafaring, then you're in business, perhaps we're in a much earlier civilization, something we're not aware of. So, as I say, if that's true, it may be, but
00:51:35
Speaker
A science that an offshoot of humanity took with them and shared at various times, we can see evidence of that and we might see it and I think we can see evidence of it in UA. Please today, but I'll get to that.
00:51:47
Speaker
So, I mean, it took a load of time to detail all the things in the short time we've got here now, but in terms of this sophisticated scientific knowledge. But basically, the biggest one is sophisticated building techniques, moving these impossibly large stones, how did they even move them, manipulate them. There's evidence of the use of machining, proper machining, lathes, very precise cuts.
00:52:12
Speaker
Advanced manipulation of materials and materials and concretes and all the rest of it. You've got chemistry, water management, acoustics, potential power generation. You've got loads of examples of that going
00:52:30
Speaker
Just give you a couple of little examples. There's one soil called terra praetor, which you may have come across. It's a super soil. It's massively, what's the word, fertile. Keeps fertile forever. They found it in the Amazon. It's definitely of artificial manufacture. Very old, 10, 20,000 years, maybe more. It's a mass brilliant fertilizer. Never gets old. It's got loads of other weird properties. Brilliant soil for growing things. And that's all over the world, Greg.
00:52:59
Speaker
You can find it on every continent. And it's the least way to end. People used to flog it in the old days. They flog it now and move it around. It's in Russia, Asia, America, all over the place. Now that, to me, on its own, would suggest. But in fact, it's been bio-engineered. It's very sophisticated. It would suggest a much older, sophisticated civilization who did that. And if they had a bigger population, think about that LiDAR thing you said to them.
00:53:26
Speaker
You need to have very efficient soil to be able to produce that stuff. It even has things where it takes the carbon out of the air as well. It's a very, very sophisticated and it's, as I say, it's not natural. That's known. You just all scratch your heads and as usual, just churn away and think, oh, that's interesting. I wonder what happened. Nobody questions it further because it'd be weird to do so. Yeah. Basically. So, uh, yeah. So anyway, yeah, that's interesting. The other one that you'll have heard about is these tales of the manner and flying craft.
00:53:56
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crop up a lot, particularly in any but in other places. And how would that be and why they'd come along? And also, and more so sorely, is a lot of evidence in ancient measurements when the measurement scales are based on the size of the earth, which would imply that at some point, somebody in history had accurately measured the earth itself. And so therefore we're able to measure it. So all these are little indications
00:54:23
Speaker
a potentially advanced technology. Yeah. And all the rest of it, the ancient past. And as I say, I've got a massive list of them in the article. Yeah. Yeah. It's fascinating. I just, and I know like some of the shafts in the great pyramids, like they, they line up like perfectly with celestial bodies. And it's like, when you're putting something together that big,
00:54:52
Speaker
How without some kind of advanced understanding of...
00:54:57
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building and everything, the solar system, like you say, the Earth, how could you possibly? Well, the pyramids, I mean, it's published by the CEPL, but when we do something on ancient ships, we'll get into that. We'll do that. Yeah. Well, I mean, it is a scale model of the northern hemisphere of the Earth. There's loads of things about it. It includes processional maps in it. It's got loads of, there's loads of stuff in it and it's people think it's a bit of a
00:55:25
Speaker
as well as being having some other function which I'm going to just go on to in a minute. You think it's like a bit of a marker for us for future civilisations just to sort of tell them, you know, that there was an older civilisation there, you know, it's like a bit of a, what's the word, a time capsule or some of that similogy. Anyway, so all right, so what I'm basically saying is that we might have had this ancient civilisation that had all these moral age ones that had much more sophisticated
00:55:54
Speaker
science so how does that link to the cryptos then so as i say i think we can say the sort of ancient advanced science but it was different two hours if you think about it we sort of rely on force mechanical advantage combustion wide electricity nuclear energy etc you know and could go on but it's that sort of thing it's all force and grunt
00:56:18
Speaker
And I think that we might have missed a few tricks sort of along the way. We might have missed some important areas of science, which I'm going to get on to in a minute. And we've got to retain the vague memory of these in the sort of historical and folk record. But I think we can see three particular ones if we look at all the stories and tales of ancient civs tech. The first one,
00:56:46
Speaker
was about being able to electronic, the electronic electromagnet, understanding, the ancient seemed to understand the electromagnetic nature of matter. And how you could manipulate this. And that'll be shown in electromagnetic and sonic and field manipulation. So lifting stones, anti-graph flight, cutting and digging tools. So that's the first key area. The second one is around drawing natural power from earth surface sources. And the two thought there was geomagnetic.
00:57:16
Speaker
and people think the pyramids were designed for that and there's a lot of stuff behind that which we could go into another day around getting the vibration of geomagnetic energy vibrating in the pyramid and then it producing electricity and also the stuff of using the electromagnetic energy in the air a bit like Tesla did and drawing it down and using it it's quite interesting
00:57:38
Speaker
There's another one as well as maybe transmitting power wirelessly as well, which is a really interesting idea. It's very Tesla. Yeah. Well, the idea is, but one of the thinking is that the Obelisks.
00:57:51
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may well be a memory of an earlier or maybe even maybe an example of an earlier thing whereby what happened was that your power generator was sent wirelessly a bit like Tesla to these local stations which were the obelisks and within a radius of what 200, 400 foot or a mile or whatever
00:58:12
Speaker
a bit like Wi-Fi, but only this time with power, you could use all your tools within that. And if you think about the obelisk, that same thing is in India, it's everywhere, that idea. And if you think of that, it might be a remnant of an older tech whereby they had a totally different approach to generating power. So that's the second thing. So we've got electromagnetic field manipulation, effectively sonic and sonic field manipulation.
00:58:38
Speaker
Natural power. Just a quick one. For anybody listening, when we talk about Tesla, we're not talking Elon Musk, Tesla. We're talking, because there will be some people who haven't heard of Nikola Tesla. And his ideas were beyond where he was in time. And so the accounts go that after he died, all of his
00:59:07
Speaker
like documentation about wireless power and stuff all went missing. Yeah, well, that was his big thing, but he developed this way to take power along cross. He was so revolutions, but transmitting this power wirelessly. And he even made illusion himself that the agents might have had this power as well. And the reason they shut him down was because you couldn't charge for it.
00:59:31
Speaker
That was quite what I was saying. It's all about money. Yeah, exactly. It's shut down. So we've got the two. And the third one is a little more interesting and a bit harder to define. Well, not define, but sort of envisage. There seems to be indications that the ancients had discovered the relationship between matter and consciousness. And more specifically, the ability to manipulate reality. And if you think about advancing quantum physics, now an observation on that's where that's all coming from.
01:00:02
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So they understood the relationship between that, the ability to maybe manipulate reality, objects and machinery. I mean, I think a lot of them vases might have been done.
01:00:11
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by 3D printing and it could have well been run by somebody doing that mentally or something like that because a lot of the things we see, a lot of it looks like 3D printing and that sort of stuff. It might be controlling machinery like that. Interesting the headdress of the fair, a lot of people think that may be mental amplifiers, a lot of that
01:00:35
Speaker
and a lot of the things that other people wear, these different things coming out of the sea, kind of a little bag, thought to be a power source, but they then amplified psionically and all the rest of it, which sounds a bit weird, but again, coming back to slide nine, there's evidence that somebody certainly thought that technology was being deployed, however it was, psionic technology. And we can go back to maybe controlling the body,
01:00:59
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regulating health, telepathy, you know, so communication would be totally different and maybe even remote viewing. Now, I remember seeing ages ago, there was these things in, there was somebody who said they had a past life or whatever, now whether they had or not. There's these little things around one of these Egyptian temples and she said that they lay in them and the people were doing like healing things that they did sonically. They sort of healed people using sort of sonic thing, you know, you'd never know that looking at it.
01:01:29
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but it was all that ability to manipulate things.
01:01:33
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So anyway, you can imagine, so that's the sort of things that they might have got into. And if you think about, if they had all this energy flying around in the atmosphere, it'd be quite hard to have a computer like we've got now, because it'll all get fried on a mobile phone. The tech might have been totally different. They might not have to have tech. If they could communicate mentally or remote view, the tech might look totally different. And that's the point.
01:02:00
Speaker
The science may well have looked very, very different from ours. Would this be? Again, I hate jumping in because it's super fascinating, but I get these moments.
Tic-Tac UFOs and Ancient Technologies
01:02:15
Speaker
No, it's by all means just diving because there's loads of stuff here. We've got these tic-tac objects. We've got all these different things that have no visible mean of propulsion.
01:02:31
Speaker
no exhaust plumes no heat signature are they taking on those principles of tesla and and the civilization before that they're actually being powered by the atmosphere well i don't know you should say that greg oh because that's where we're going to get to just in a sec so we didn't even plan that no no no that's right so let's i just just we'll just go back slightly sorry yeah no no but it starts a really good point so basically
01:02:59
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their science might look very different from ours and we don't even recognize what we're looking at when we're looking at all ruins or whatever that stuff that's right in front of us so a temple a quaint little temple because everything's a temple isn't it's the archaeologists might have been a production facility a pyramid might have been a power plant and so forth we just don't know what we're looking at
01:03:21
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Now it's possible to your point that an older SIV might have gone underground with this tech and survived. So if you think about the UAP phenomenon today, we see all these characteristics just like you've said. So we see this like
01:03:41
Speaker
Manipulation of anti-graph, field manipulation, different kinds of unlimited power, different kinds of power. I'm just trying to think of all the things, psychic power and manipulation. All these things, those three areas I've just described, all we see in the UAP phenomenon today. 100%. So it might, now there's also
01:04:07
Speaker
We might just be seeing, that's the best way to put it, so we might just be seeing an older version of ourselves in the form of cryptos. And the Lynge case, these old technological, we've seen them emerge again, but we can see them in the past, and that's the Lynge. See what I mean? Yeah, and it definitely goes against the whole future humans. In actual fact, they're not future humans, they're past humans, which is even, I think even more of a crazy idea. And do you just think that the whole,
01:04:36
Speaker
tic-tac because that's that's probably the the best sort of current uap sort of shape that we're that's in the news and everybody talks about tic-tac it was seen underwater bubbling underwater is it is it essentially a submarine when it hits the water because it's a submarine shape you only have to look at that one though unfortunately
01:04:59
Speaker
imploded down by the titanic and didn't half look like a tic-tac UFO. Absolutely, no I agree with you so yeah and there's loads of stuff like that and there's a book by a fella called Jared Murphy called it's not aliens it's all brilliant but it's just as good as fingerprints of the gods in my opinion that's what I got that terra prata from actually yeah it's very good but that's his argument well his argument is
01:05:23
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but there was an old civilization that is still with us today. It's a bit more sophisticated than any other, but it's really interesting. Before we move on to the next thing, I'll just give you, because this is really important, there's another thought that is worth considering at this point. This sort of cataclysm stuff,
01:05:45
Speaker
And this explains why we haven't advanced much in 300,000 years. Because if you think about it, we've been atomically normal. From what I can gather now, reading the best guesses, at least 300,000 years ago, we're like we are now. Same Brentnall capacity and all the rest of it. Linguistic capacity, you know, all the rest of it.
01:06:03
Speaker
But is it really likely that we've been like that for 294,000 years and 6,000 or whatever, we just start to develop agriculture and animal husbandry and then we do, is that likely or is it more likely? But we get so far each time and we just get smash like skills, you know?
Cyclical Human Advancements and Setbacks
01:06:25
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And then we have to start again. Every 12,000 years is supposedly the cycle.
01:06:31
Speaker
And it may well be, but perhaps one time we sort of got lucky. The cycle was a bit longer. People had a bit more tech than you would think. And more advanced than we are now, maybe developed all this stuff. And they were lucky enough to go on the ground and save themselves. Or they just got lucky in sports, or they couldn't save themselves anyway.
01:07:00
Speaker
We're seeing this lucky mob, as it were, flying around today in our skies. And that is, to me, is an absolutely fascinating thought. It's a great take on the whole thing. Yeah. Interesting, isn't it? It explains.
01:07:16
Speaker
a lot of the phenomena that we're seeing and even like we mentioned earlier the wording that David Grush used non-human intelligence that it's saying what it is but without really saying what it is. I listen to a guy called Project Unity called Mr. X, people may remember that from days ago.
01:07:38
Speaker
And he was saying, well, looking at E.T. tech, however, the other tech, we probably missed the trick scientifically and they haven't. And it may be that we just got on the wrong path. And I thought, hang on a minute. I mean, he's thought, hang on a minute. Well, maybe I thought maybe that just applies to
01:08:00
Speaker
to ancient sibs, maybe we missed a trick that they haven't, maybe we as modern sibs have missed a trick, but they haven't, it made me think that that was entirely possible. And once you get that, you can see these links very, very clearly. So what we could do now, what we might want to do, Reg, is
01:08:26
Speaker
I've got another little bit and maybe we can, because how long have we been going on for now? Just over an hour. What do you want to do? Do you want to keep going or shall we? I think we could probably get it done in about two hours.
01:08:42
Speaker
I reckon. Okay. Okay. Yeah, go on. All right. Well, we'll see how we go. If we get knackered, you'll say, because it's worth just for everybody. I don't want to leave people on the edge of the seats. And we'll go a bit quicker after this. So, all right, we've now established what the core story is now, it might relate, and what the historical
01:09:06
Speaker
picture was and how there may well be a long arm from millennia ago up to the present day in terms of sort of technology. So what's the sort of, is there any evidence of this happening over time historically more recently and whatever. And we do see some sort of more persistent tales really. So, and again I'll go a bit quicker here because I think people would
01:09:30
Speaker
Across the globe, across all societies, there's ancient tales of advanced, sort of God-like underground civilizations, sort of living in tunnels and cave systems. And I'll just read you this list, because I was looking at this the other day. And the idea was they occasionally came to Earth to teach mankind civilization, or whatever, or reteach them and help them out.
01:09:51
Speaker
And the myths are in Buddhism, in India, Mayan, Aztec, African, Native American, Sumerians, Babylonians, Chinese, Japanese, Egyptian, and Celtic. And that's just not Mammon. So all over the world, in all these areas, there's this idea of an underground, more advanced civilization, which occasionally comes in certain instances.
01:10:14
Speaker
all over the place now this is before the concept of hell all these things so it's not like some we're not i'm not mistaking it for the concept of hell and all that it was a spiritual place and there's all these ideas of vast tunnels networks and numerous entrances to the surface so there you go and i think the commonality of that myth a bit like a flood myth must give it at least some substance to be considered as a potential indicator definitely
01:10:42
Speaker
Now, linked to this more recently in the UAP within the last sort of 10 years, but we've seen it over the decades.
01:10:49
Speaker
You've got evidence of large underwater bases, craft emerging from the sea, lakes, near islands. Suggestions of large underground inland bases, sort of using old volcanic systems around mountains coming out of Gorges and maybe coming out of isolated places out there. And with underground entrances. So that's been quite commonly reported over time. Persistent tracking of craft.
01:11:17
Speaker
over both poles, isolated areas again, which would be ideal for doing where they're coming from. Who's flying there? There's nobody. In fact, they've almost caused nuclear war a lot of the time. And I think, tied into that, there's sort of numerous accounts of activity in wilderness areas, like Siberia, Afghanistan, Mongolia, India, Tibet, South and Central America,
01:11:43
Speaker
And some wilderness areas in North America, now earlier in USA, but still in Canada. And these are present there, but also were in ancient times as well. And there's loads of tales of encounters with flying craft, sort of beings flying down to meet them, looking different, again, the blonde appearance and all that. So there's a lot of these encounters there.
01:12:12
Speaker
What that is, is I think evidence of a sort of big undersea and underground infrastructure, really. And then you couple that with sightings and sort of reports of activity in remote parts of the world, you know, throughout recorded history, I suppose.
01:12:28
Speaker
I think that's quite significant as well. So you've got this myth of underground service, then you've got this whole infrastructure thing stretching from the past, particularly the wilderness bit into the present day, which is what you'd expect to see, I suppose.
01:12:44
Speaker
I mean, it sort of suggests there's a sort of long-term, how would you say, high-tech presence, sort of acting covertly like we were talking about before. And that's what we sort of think this CTC would do, really. And I suppose as we've got more technological advance there, a bit will be more shrinks as to where they would operate as it were. But yeah, anyway, I've also thought myself, you know, the persistent reports from amateur astronomers,
01:13:14
Speaker
and all the rest of it of craft flying across the moon, it might also be them as well, because that'd be logical for them and mine there, wouldn't it? If they had that tech unobserved and do all that. So that's just a thing to throw out there. But one final thing that I think is really, really interesting and got me going. I think, if you think about it, there's what appears to be sort of writing,
01:13:40
Speaker
found on a lot of craft resembling ancient human writing symbols, sort of hieroglyphics. He constantly reported on recovered or witnessed extraterrestrial craft. Yeah, absolutely. There's loads of them. I forget there's loads of Kecksburg, there's loads of them. And you hear it from people who are well experienced. You hear it all the time.
01:14:06
Speaker
They often resemble sort of a mixture of a, what would it be? Linear B, you know, the old sort of creation one, Sanskrit, sort of Egyptian hieroglyphs, that sort of mixture. And the obvious point is why would an ET civilization have a script that even resembles ancient human writing? Why would that be? It's much less puzzling, I think, if the craft
01:14:30
Speaker
sort of themselves are somehow derived from an older human civilization. There's a common route to that. And you also see with the UAPs, they've got a habit of having symbols denoting the status and of the location and origin.
01:14:45
Speaker
And that's again something that's a very human sort of aesthetic thing to do. Very much so. We launched the Voyager probe and we put a disc with human sounds, maps of where we are in the solar system, everything. So why wouldn't people do that kind of stuff previously? Absolutely.
01:15:08
Speaker
So we've finished on this historical bit now, but this is more about what we've seen. So if we're looking at this history through all this lens of what we've been looking at now, we can see that the sort of indications of a CT sieve, I suppose, high tech living on the ground on the sea and in wilderness areas. That's that's our characterise sort of reinforces the idea of cyclical catastrophes.
01:15:38
Speaker
And it also explains why the phenomenon is kept under such a veil of secrecy by our current government. So you've got all those three things coming together and you can see that sort of connection. Yeah, definitely. So any thoughts on that? I've got a slight change of pace now. Mind blown, really. Well, this will blow your mind even more. Go on, what are you going to say?
01:16:05
Speaker
It ticks lots of boxes. It ticks lots of boxes of what we're seeing and I've watched the stuff with Graham Hancock and the ancient civilizations and like archaeologists not wanting to lose 10 years, all this kind of stuff, but by sticking to a narrative which as the years go on, doesn't hold up anymore, but they're not prepared to
01:16:32
Speaker
to change their way of thinking because that impacts their funding and it always comes down to money and Graham Hancock gets a lot of stick online, a lot of the archaeologists and I think the younger archaeologists who are
01:16:49
Speaker
who are sort of a bit more in tune with where we are with the world right now, UAPs, all that kind of stuff, are probably a lot more open to it. But it's the older ones that just don't want to hear it, because it's like, well, I've got to learn new stuff. And because it's against my thesis. It's just dogma. But we see the saving of the ufology field and the physics field. You just can't have new ideas. And the scientific method and the spirit of inquiry just exists in their minds as an idea. But when the push comes to shove, they don't want to know it.
01:17:19
Speaker
I mean, there is an also interesting aspect to this, but I don't think there's a conspiracy of the archaeologist, but I think from the government. The question is, if you've acknowledged as an ancient advanced civilisation, the next question is what happened to it, yeah? That might lead to the thing, yeah. So that's why... Probably more of a panic than you wear a lot of the UAPs. Yeah, so I think that's why the government isn't averse in one way or another to helping the archaeologist, even though they don't know about it.
01:17:46
Speaker
sticking to the dogma and grant funding. Anyway, given the time, let's go. Because this is really interesting, the next one. So, interesting details. You might be shocked by some of this, Craig. I don't know a young lad like you, but it's a strange case of sort of aliens with human DNA. Aliens in inverted commas, I suppose. And this is a 1992 case of a guy called Peter Currie. I might be burdening his name. You might have heard of this one.
01:18:15
Speaker
But he was handled, this case owned by a very famous Australian researcher, Bill Chalkrew, who was well-respected, an Australian UFO researcher. And he was also regressed, this guy, with his experience by John Mack, you know, the famous sort of Harvard psychiatrist. So he can't get better than that. Anyway, again, I'll go through it pretty quickly.
01:18:33
Speaker
He woke up in his room, this is the weird bit, to find one strange-looking female, sort of on top of him having intercourse with him, basically. I'm not so interested. He couldn't really. He didn't get his in control of things. Well, there you go, I suppose. Yeah, I suppose. Unless, I suppose, his wife was sleeping next to him, in which case it has to be explained to him. But anyway, this is what happened. So he woke up, he couldn't really move, but this was what was happening.
01:18:58
Speaker
And there was another one, another woman sitting naked beside him. So it was two naked women. I noticed that at the start of a joke. But there's one tall blonde with very white skin and one more of a sort of Asian, sort of Mongolian appearance with darker skin. Now interestingly, they had sort of a non-human aspect, which is where coming to what you were talking about earlier at the start, their eyes were twice the size of human eyes.
Ancient Human DNA and Crypto Terrestrial Encounters
01:19:27
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They have longer, sharper cheekbones and faces, the noses longer as well, and they have thinner bodies, and the heads were also a slightly different shape, slightly larger. So classic looking, I would say, a bit like hybrids. You know, the hybrids we see in popular culture or whatever with the bigger eyes, but looking sort of even very much like that, and very much like the appearance that has been described elsewhere in some of the literature.
01:19:54
Speaker
So now, interestingly, the blonde woman left some of her hair on the bed. You know, this little long blonde there, she had. And Bill Chalker had it DNA tested, which was really interesting. Now, here's the very interesting bit. The hair, I'll just read this bit, was found to contain a very rare and ancient DNA.
01:20:16
Speaker
from an isolated part of China and an equally rare and ancient DNA with a Celtic and Basque origin. Well, now the results were double checked by the lab and they were correct. So you've got quite alien looking, so all human hybrid beings had rare, ancient human DNA.
01:20:38
Speaker
point about this, I put it to you, Greg, but this is just a sort of DNA signature that you'd see from a sister race that split a long time ago from the modern population. That's the point of all this. Their appearance, as I say, is sort of really consistent with people receiving encounters and Tom has talked about this as a sort of a person, I'm going to talk about it in a minute.
01:21:03
Speaker
Their appearance is consistent without being seen around and people wear dark glasses sometimes and all things to cover up the slight differences in appearance as a common trope. But it's only one case, but it does all the possibility of proof of this link to the physical evidence of the sort of crypto origins of the others. It's a potential political, physical evidence of that link. So that's why it's so interesting.
01:21:31
Speaker
So there you go, a really interesting case. Yeah, that ancient DNA, that's fascinating. And if it's been checked and it still holds up, that does raise more questions, doesn't it? Well, I remember it was about three or four years, but whenever it was, I'm an Australian, and I knew immediately what it could mean. I didn't mean to that extent, but I realised
01:22:00
Speaker
Because they were saying it was alien. And why would aliens have human DNA? But if you know the crypto stuff, clearly that was another explanation. So it was really interesting. And I suppose the fact that there's less numbers, it would mean that the gene pool would be smaller and not so diluted. So you'd probably find that the DNA won't
01:22:25
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essentially won't sort of water down like it is today you've got people jetting all over the world so we're all a bit of a mix of a gene so yeah
01:22:36
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Yeah, being an isolated population. I mean, part of the reason they think that they have abductions and all that is, and one other thing is to tech younger children, you know, sort of very young girls, particularly, or whatever, is to add them to their communities to improve the gene pool, you know, to absorb those breeding stuff, essentially. Again, that ticks that box nicely. And that's the fairy thing of, you know, change lens and abducting kids at that age, you know.
01:23:03
Speaker
So that's a really interesting thing. Anyway, so coming to the last bit now, which is the bit I wanted to try and get to tonight, because I think it may have, and people may see what they think. Some links to what we've seen in Peru recently, which is why I wanted to do it tonight, because it's topical.
01:23:20
Speaker
and it's what is called the crypto profile and I think you'll find it's really interesting. So it comes from a book called The Children of Orion, a brilliant book by an Australian writer, it's called Ryan Musgrave Evans and he's an interesting character, he's on YouTube, he sounds a lot
01:23:41
Speaker
on YouTube but he's a very good writer and he is out there but he's really good as well, his writing is very good so you shouldn't always judge a book by its color. I don't agree with everything he sort of says or all his theories but his car stuff I think is really good you know where he's going, which is the truth a lot of people this this car info can be quite good and sometimes the speculation isn't as good but anyway I digress.
01:24:08
Speaker
So he derives this profile, and he'd done a profile of crypto-terrestrials basically, and it's from studies of...
01:24:14
Speaker
Ancient Celtic accounts of fairies, which are fascinating when you read them, absolutely fascinating. They put the glamour on, taking care of the power they've got floating, invisibility loads, and you'll see why that's relevant in a minute. Jack Vale, and he did a lot of his work, is it homage to Magnolia or something like that? I can't remember the name of it anyway.
01:24:38
Speaker
but anyway it's got Magdol in the title but anyway that's all about ancient you know the fairy myths and was that actually 18 counters and also the fellow called Charles Hall who did these account these tall whites that he met he was working with after the war and living in Nevada desert near the area 51 in assigned areas now you believe that I believe it not but uh
01:25:03
Speaker
These made the connection around, but these bonds to Charles Hall encountered were actually, he thinks, were actually cryptos. Again, because he had the same characteristics of all the other things. So he's knitted together, and he's also done a load of study of encounter cases, and it's really interesting. Now, he also, and this gets a bit weirder,
01:25:25
Speaker
He claims to be an experienced himself, which isn't weird in itself. I don't want to say, oh, God, we deal with it all the time, don't we? I won't dismiss anything on that basis. But he says since childhood, and he's had a lot of encounters with these beings, and he's asked them loads of questions, which he's also added to his understanding of looking at the literature, like a bit of a reinforcement curve or whatever opening. Really interesting. Interesting, love, and we haven't got time to get into this this time.
01:25:53
Speaker
He's doing a part two for definitely. Yeah, he thinks that the time travel is funnily enough. And again, there's a whole story around that, but it's really easy. But I won't get into that now because it's too, too much. We'll be here. Oh, God, we won't.
01:26:08
Speaker
The morning will be rising, cockles growing. Anyway, so it's fascinating extra dimension, obviously. And obviously, as I said, I don't know the truth of it, but I'll give you a brief account of the profile.
Crypto Terrestrial Descriptions and Technology
01:26:22
Speaker
Just bear with me. Yeah. Yeah. So you can. There we go. Yeah. I've got I've made a couple of notes here, so I'll get it right. So the crypto terrestrials have two basic appearances.
01:26:34
Speaker
Tall blonde nordics with shivering silver suits. That's one of the way they appear. Think about what we've heard in Peru recently. And generally smaller beings who wear black jumpsuits with helmets and red goggles, and particularly the red eye glow. How many times have you heard the red eye glow going? Now, they've got larger eyes, thinner bodies, longer arms, larger heads, more pointed face and nose. It's very much like what we've been talking about.
01:27:03
Speaker
And that's in a few things. Now, these beans grow gradually over the lifespan of 900 years. This is from these tall whites thing. And they eventually end up between seven and nine foot at the end. I know this all sounds crazy, but this is, this is the profile. You think about all the different beans would be seen at that size and all the rest of it. Yeah. And I would just go back to say this larger thinner eyes and bigger eyes and all that. You could see them looking quite gray light, couldn't you? And there's some pictures from, you know,
01:27:32
Speaker
but on the internet, they've got human colour skin sort of, but they look very much like the classic grey alien, very interesting. And yet, there's also some talk about some of them may be more like that than others. Anyway, so to give you an idea, at 100 years old, one might just be five foot, and they'd only get to six foot and then taller at 200 years. So that also explains why you see smaller creatures
01:27:59
Speaker
and bigger ones, all as part of the same things. That is very interesting as well, yeah. So when they go on missions and they're quite weak bodily, they're not as strong as humans. They often wear the black suits or the silver ones and they function like exoskeletons. They have lots of technical functions which I'll go through.
01:28:20
Speaker
They've got an anti-graph function so they can float above the ground. Invisibility function, how many times have you seen that on a bit like the Predator, I suppose, and a bit like what we've seen in Peru. So you can only just see him, the shadow people, that's all you can't see him at all. A portal function, which means they can go through walls or appear in different locations. Think of abduction cases, think of other cases you've heard about that.
01:28:43
Speaker
And also they've got SciTech built in where they can give people illusions and all the rest of it. And they also wear cloaks and hoods on their heads. It's a common thing. And how many tales of cloaks and hoods have you heard? Think about the Sci thing as well. Oh, well anyway, I'll come back to that. They live underground in areas where in isolated spots in forest, hills and mountains away from the human population.
01:29:08
Speaker
And that's often where you might find them and they're living in underground units. Yeah. Come back to that as well. Don't like dogs, kill them on sight. Cause if they get bit by a dog, apparently it's really dangerous for them and they're very protective of the children. So if there's any humans with their arm nearby them or near the kids, they'll kill them or they'll, they'll have damage damage him. And that's one of the thinking about a lot of the hunters who go missing. That's what in these eyes right there is that's what's happened to them. That's what the beings of a party.
01:29:38
Speaker
And I know this all sounds a bit weird, but the profile, the profile is really interesting when you start looking at it. Is it any weird and all the stuff that's coming out over the last few years anyway? No, no, no. That's right. But what I'm saying is why I place a lot of faith in it when I've gone back and looked at a lot of cases, once you know what you're looking for, you can see a lot of these things.
01:30:01
Speaker
As I say, they've got a lot of psychic sort of manipulation tools affecting people's sort of will and their ability to be controlled. So you can make people see things and make themselves look like other beings. So that might be the dog man, might be Bigfoot. It might be all these other things that feeling of fear people have and all that. Well, I'll come back to that in a minute. Yeah.
01:30:25
Speaker
Interestingly as well, the speech is a mixture of bird-like chirping and guttural growl sounds. They can speak in English or whatever, but that sound, and how many have we heard that with Bigfoot and all the rest of it? That Japanese sounding recording of Bigfoot. Buzzgrave Evans put one something on his YouTube channel and said, this is the crypto stuff. So I thought that was really interesting.
01:30:49
Speaker
Now, when people come near their underground homes and bases, they tend to defend them in various ways or protect them. The use of mental apparitions or illusions to scare people. The appearance creatures, the dog man, might be a big dog or whatever, a bear, whatever. They do a lot of invisible stalking, which is a big feature of a lot of cases where people are out in the wilderness. They feel there's something there, a presence, but they can't see it.
01:31:16
Speaker
They appear through portals to get people or behind people and seem doing that. And a crucial one, which we've heard a lot, because people have a profound sense of fear. You know, that hard feeling. And also in other things, a profound sense of sort of well-being when they should be scared. But anyway, in this case, a profound sense of fear. Now, they've got a range of ships.
01:31:39
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Sort of different vehicles, some that are like, almost like cars, not cars, but you know, short, hot vehicles that are oblong, some that are more circular, some that are triangular, but again, you can see these different things being deployed if you look at the, in the different circumstances where they are.
01:31:58
Speaker
And they also, and this will get all the paranormal people, they've got a habit of visiting humans in their homes, causing mischief and taking things. And he contends, Musgrave Evans, about a lot of the poltergeist and paranormal activity is actually these guys. Now, if you think back to some of the cases of the slight shimmer, things being moved and mischievousness, it's not as entirely crazy as you would think.
01:32:22
Speaker
And the idea of these creatures having red eyes, we're seeing, could be the red eyes of the helmet. So key takeaways there. And there's a lot of detail work. The book's brilliant, actually, children of Orion. And it goes into it a lot. And so it took a real long time to unpack it all. So lessons will have to bear with me a bit. But when you know the profile and you start applying it, it's amazing how it's repeated across multiple cases.
01:32:53
Speaker
you know what you're looking for. I read, to test this out, I read the Philip Mantle book on UFO landing books in UK, but it was out recently. Tony Dodd's book, there's another one, and I could see all these things coming up again and again. Now, I'll get onto this at the end, but obviously that might be, he's just written a profile that does that like a horoscope. I get that, could be it, and I accept that could be the case.
01:33:17
Speaker
But if it isn't, it's amazing once you start looking at it. There was one case in Manchester where these three-foot-odd beans with these black suits on helmets, red things, come out and started attacking all these people. A garden-faced, recorded case in the 80s. In fact, I think it was on your show. One of the guys talked about it. In fact, I remember hearing it on your show about two years ago. And that case is a classic. If you think about these small beans, it was a classic case of that.
01:33:46
Speaker
It fitted all the things. You won't remember it now, Greg, but I remember listening to it because when I read about it again, I thought I spoke to Ash UAP, Ash, you know, on Twitter, who we had a couple of times. And me and him were talking about it, saying it's definitely the same profile. So I've talked to him a lot about his profile. Very interesting. Anyway, I'm getting a bit excited about that case. But yeah, so the other thing is, I think it could very well explain Skinwalker Ranch.
Crypto Terrestrials and Paranormal Phenomena
01:34:14
Speaker
and cattle mutilations because the fairies on the cattle mutilations like I said on the other program is the reason they mutilate the cows is they don't like the encroachment on the land it's very protective for the bases and all that and the skin walkers stuff if you think it's multiple phenomena and that's where I talk about this unified fairy think about all what this profile says it's multiple it's illusions it's side control it's creatures it's cryptids and it's also all these other things happening
01:34:43
Speaker
and you've also from skinwalker you get the hitchhiker effect where these mists and dark beings turn up at people's houses
01:34:58
Speaker
as i say it sort of explains the appearance of the others over the years you know how they look and the possible crypto i've sort of said that i suppose really so i won't go on about that just thinking i've got just look at me notes there's anything else uh and it all started the technique need to do that so we talked about that really talks about the shadow people and this military base there's a lot of cases written about that infiltration and if we go back to that case that i talked about at the start of the program
01:35:26
Speaker
this is in a military base, Nick Rebford in one of his other books wrote about it and this guy, the guy, he sort of shimmered into existence and the guard seen him in looking at these plans in this
01:35:38
Speaker
weapons sort of with all the plans and nuclear weapons and he went out again and he sort of went out and zoned out again madness but it was just had the helmet had all the gear black suit like a cat suit you know same description that's why she's very interesting anyway
01:35:57
Speaker
Got a big link to slide 9 and I have got slide 9, I won't go on too much but let me just read you just quickly what it said on slide 9. He said the science exists for an enemy of the US to manipulate both physical and cognitive environments in order to penetrate US facilities, influence decision makers,
01:36:18
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and compromise national security.
US Security Concerns and Crypto Terrestrials
01:36:21
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And it mentions psychotronic weapons, which means weapons that control how you think. Cognitive human interface, how you even make it, you do something you don't want to do. Penetration of solid surfaces, the portal stuff. Again, instantaneous sense of this assembly, that's knocking things out, like the nuclear weapons and all that and pilots. Alteration manipulation of biological organisms, that'd be Havana syndrome and whatever.
01:36:46
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Anomalies in the space-time construct stopping time and again manipulating time and matter. Unique cognitive human interface experiences which presumes illusions. So it says finally, DOD has been involved in similar experiments in the past as relationships were renowned subject matter experts.
01:37:06
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and the DoD controls several facilities where activities have been detected, which have made skin walk and maybe other facilities. The point is, knowing what we know now about the crypto profile and the crypto generally, it does ring a few bells, doesn't it, in terms of that profile I just read out. Yeah, it's very interesting, isn't it? And these guys remember, this was a penetration to one of the Senate committees, a closed session, talking about the armed services committee, I think it was,
01:37:34
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talking about why it was important and the potential weapons application or weapons threat I don't think they would say but they obviously have to make it a bit interesting for the generals but you know that was so there you go so I just thought people might find that interesting to think about slide nine and finally
01:37:55
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If you think about that Peruvian case, big nine foot tall things, silver suits floating off the ground, hit them with rifles that don't affect them, and trying to abduct sort of teenage children and face peeling and all, it's got a load of connections to me to this crypto profile, loads of them. I thought I was really interested.
01:38:17
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So I just, because we can have a bit of a chat or whatever, but I'll just give you some brief conclusions just to round it off. I've written these down, so bear with me. The first one on the pro side, obviously the human resemblance and the tech not far ahead of ours is sort of pro the crypto area.
01:38:37
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Also explains a number of discrepancies that we've talked about, connects quite a lot of dots. I'm really shy, isn't it? And also, profile fits a lot of cases. The profile talk about four, it's fixed a lot, it answers a lot of questions and maybe gives us a unique
01:38:54
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The cons are, and there's loads of these, and for listeners, I'm aware of loads of them, I've thought about them myself, so I've just tried to give you the sort of overview of the case, and maybe a future date we can get into more of the white mine arbitrary, but just a couple. Is it really realistic for a civilisation to live underground for that length of time? Could they care for that length of time? And why would they not do both? I stay on top of the ground and underground, why would they not do that?
01:39:23
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Now, if they kept getting bumped off and they preferred it on the ground, there may be a reason anyway. I'll just play it straight and just do the cons straight. Could they have really stayed in? He's not realistic.
01:39:36
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Why have they not simply eliminated us as a threat? Maybe they didn't think of it at the time, maybe they didn't realise or make mistakes. A profile, as I say, I said this earlier, it might just be a case of constructing something that fits the facts and then making it up to fit what you've seen rather than it flowing away. So there could be a bit of that and I'm aware of that.
01:40:02
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There's loads of others as well, so this is just a bit of a taste, but it's really good as a counterfactual to create some new thinking about things. And I think if you go back to that thing where you and Ash were discussing it, this sort of thinking, you could apply to a lot of things and it helped more to help people, I think.
01:40:19
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I think it does offer that profile that I just finished on, which is why I wanted to get it in. It sort of gives the chances of sort of that unified theory of cryptids, ghosts, paranormal, UAP. Not saying it's the whole answer, but interesting. And the other really intriguing thing for me, for more of this, is that our science has somehow missed a massive thing. And we're doing this long-handed labor-intensive, very brute force, wherever, and then maybe,
01:40:48
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a much simpler path. So that's it for me, Greg, and you've done well, too. But it's a lot in it. It's really interesting. So it's fascinating. It's fascinating. It's interesting you talk about the technology that we use. We use combustible to move. So we've got the internal combustion engine. We get to space by rockets, which essentially is
01:41:13
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Yeah, big firewall engine. Yeah, it is firing up into the sky, which is kind of primitive considering We talked about before like I just over a hundred years ago or whenever the Wright brothers were doing the the first man flight Just like essentially on a pedal bike with wings and now within 60 years we are on the moon and you just think
01:41:42
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How have we come so far so fast initially? Have we been in contact with other non-human intelligence? Do we have
01:41:57
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Do we have knowledge that potentially they're trying to stop what's happened to them happening to us? Thus another thought that they're these warnings that like don't get too advanced don't because you think like you mentioned just then that why didn't they just wipe us out before we became whilst we were primitive that had been ideal a few thousand years ago
01:42:20
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when we restarted again, essentially after the last cataclysmic event, why don't they just take us out then?
Human and Crypto Terrestrial Interactions
01:42:26
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They might have, they might have, they might have felt sorry for us, but they might have wanted to keep our gene pool around as well. Yeah, we're handy for them. So we're in actual fact, we're just, we're a cannon fodder for their longevity. And what about, what about the fact that
01:42:48
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You mentioned it in the article. We mentioned it that their technology is just a little bit advanced compared to us. Why? Why is that? I mean, we we've got you look back to pyramid times and they talked about the gods coming down on chariots of fire. Maybe that was the crypto-terrestrials helping to get them to a point in time
01:43:14
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which is helping them, then we've gone a bit too far and we started creating nuclear weapons. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which there are suggestions that that's happened in the past. Yeah, well, in India and in Africa, in bits, and certainly there's one, I think it's Mary Hendra, it looks like a nuclear blast has gone off radioactivity levels. I'm not sure if there was radioactivity in the end, but it looked like something had gone off as well. So do they get to a point where they,
01:43:42
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Potentially this cycle that they're showing themselves a little bit more because they probably feel we're a bit more Ready for it. Yeah, they can't destroy us because if that if it goes pear shaped and they don't do it properly
01:43:58
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like you mentioned that we we would just go in with all guns blazing potentially and we're just outnumber them we just go via force rather than you throw enough people at you can see it in like Ukraine and Russia just Russia's just enlisting everybody just throwing troops at the thing if we you're right because if we did it just by force and we've gone down this wrong path spiritually we're a bit rubbish we're not in tune with the earth
01:44:25
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and all the rest of it. We've got all these brute force methods that really destroy. It might just be we're a particularly bad bunch and they could have seen the other ones die off quite easily because they wouldn't have damaged much because they'd been entombing the planet and they had quite good tech but wasn't it basically. But we're the gods and well yeah exactly but we're a lot of trouble and so they have to deal with us because we've got dirty nuclear well I like nuclear I can understand nuclear but
01:44:49
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We've got very dangerous nuclear plants if they go off. Massive industrial pollution, you know, massive sort of very labour-intensive force-based production. So they can't afford. Yeah, exactly. So they can't afford.
01:45:04
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just to see as often if you can imagine, if it is indeed inevitable or it's convenient, you can see him saying to somebody saying, well, you can save about two million will help you. But I'm sorry, the rest of them had it. But even if they don't say that, they said definitely it's a new light on that nuclear link.
01:45:22
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Because it may well be, it wasn't, but we were of interest because of what we've done, it was we were of interest because that meant that we could do them in as well. It was a self-preservation technique. Not out in the stars, but on the Earth. So, as I say, I hold all these things in my mind and I don't say, oh, he's definitely clicked on me dogmatic about it.
01:45:45
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but it does help me think about what's happening sometimes and what it could be when I'm listening to things again without legislation and a few other things it is useful to have in your back pocket and the connection is really interesting as I say this echo from the past that we've seen you AP today is an absolutely fascinating idea yeah oh yeah yeah very interesting cool well thank you very much for
01:46:14
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mind-blowingly whistle-stop tour of it all, because I know we could have spoke for hours on this, Dave, but there's a lot to digest. Some of it I was aware of, some we'd talked about before. But yeah, some of that, when you start looking at the different theories of how it slots in with the events that do take place in our history with UAP and some of these facilities,
01:46:43
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it does tick a lot of those boxes does and I know you mentioned about I mean it doesn't sound too way out there considering it helps to explain like we were talking that the like interdimensional beings actually ticks a lot of boxes that things appear and disappear but the crypto terrestrial and
01:47:05
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the way they've interacted with us also ticks a lot of boxes and it's a definite definite aspect I'm going to continue looking at when new stuff comes out and go okay how does that fit in with that and that's yeah that's it's real use I think and people you will find yourself I don't know you know a bit about
01:47:27
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lot of it anyway just for your general knowledge in the area but people who are listening if you know a lot or a little will find themselves they'll set this in and they'll probably cogitate and play with it a bit and it's the sort of thing you keep mulling over and it is really really useful but listen I'm really I didn't say at the start thanks for having us on because I'm regret it's really good to be on it. You don't need to say thanks for having you on because you're
01:47:52
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you're part of the family. Well I get that, I know, I know that but it was everywhere, I didn't want to sound, it's good and it's been really interesting, I mean I've really enjoyed it and I've probably written the most down what I've ever had for a finger just to try and keep, because the structure is very important in track, it's quite elusive to tie it all together. I think it's come across amazing from you.
01:48:14
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to get that volume of information across in a way that people can follow it because there's a lot to take in and I think some people who have looked at it from the peripheries and maybe people who listened to Joe Rogan for example and he had a fascinating episode with Graham Hancock
01:48:34
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Yeah.
Conclusion and Future Discussions on Related Topics
01:48:50
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does go there and Graham Hancock's got a Netflix series called Ancient Civilizations that's well worth it. It's just fascinating to see somebody else's take on things.
01:49:05
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and your take on it there. You need your own Netflix series, Dave. Yeah, I love you. This is Dave Finche, a man from Salford with the answer to the universe. Why not? But I think what would be good, and I know we're going to get off now, but it might be good if
01:49:21
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we might want to do just a bit of a, not a round table, but a discussion session, like you do sometimes if you're on this subject and just if people listen to it, then we can just have a chat about some of the areas. And we've also talked, if people are interested, if this has been to doing some on the age of six, as well as we plan to do. Definitely. That'd be fascinating. It's something that I would be well up for talking about. I love all that sort of stuff.
01:49:47
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So yeah, thank you very much Dave. Thanks a lot Greg and I've really enjoyed that. My pleasure as always. Thanks a lot mate. See you later. Cheers mate. Bye. Pursuit of the paranormal with Ash and Greg.