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Inclusive Motor Sport – a conversation with Team Brit GT racing car driver Paul Fullnick
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Making it possible for disabled drivers to participate in motorsport
A motor cycling accident resulted in Paul Fullnick, having a leg amputated. Devastating, but the prospect of not being able to ride his bike was worse. Then Paul discovered Team Brit and the prospect of being involved in motorsport was rekindled.
In this episode of the Abeceder work life balance podcast Rest and Recreation, Paul introduces host Michael Millward to Team Brit the world’s only competitive team of all-disabled racing drivers.
During their conversation Paul and Michael discuss
- ·The origins of Team Brit
- How Team Brit got its title sponsor.
- How the race cars are adapted for disabled drivers
- The safety rules that the disabled drivers much comply with
- Paul’s progression through his motorsport career.
- How a race car is different to its road going brand mate.
- The importance of aerodynamics
- The role of the backroom team
- How Paul funds his motor-racing
- How racing liberates Paul from the restrictions of being labelled disabled
- Driving techniques
- How anyone and everyone can get involved in motorsport
Discover more about Paul and Michael at Abeceder.co.uk
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Transcript
Introduction to Zencastr and Podcast
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Introducing Guest Paul Fulick
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Hello and welcome to Rest and Recreation, the work-life balance podcast from Abysseedra, where we don't tell you what to think, but we are hoping to make you think.
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I am your host, Michael Millward. Today, i am speaking to Paul Fulick.
Paul Fulick and Team Brit
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a racing car driver who is going to be explaining how anyone can get involved in motorsport.
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Paul drives with Team Brit, the world's only competitive team of all disabled racing drivers.
Motor Racing Locations and Travel Club Promotion
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Motor racing is one of the most glamorous sports. Think Monte Carlo, Le Mans.
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Listener Engagement Encouragement
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Now that I have paid some bills, it is time to make an episode of Rest and Recreation.
Paul Fulick's Motorsport Journey
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that will be well worth listening to, liking, downloading and subscribing to and well worth telling all your petrolhead friends about as well.
00:01:42
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Hello, Paul. Hello, Michael. How are you doing? I am extremely well, thank you very much. I hope you can say the same. I'm really well. Thank you very much for having me on the podcast. Well, you are my first racing car driver and I'm all sort of full of boyhood excitement of motorsport I've read your profile on the teambrit.co.uk website and it seems like you're the all-round action man.
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I wouldn't go that far, but ah i do sort of get drawn to things, I guess, that are a bit more adrenaline-focused. Always have done, and and racing kind of falls really nicely into that kind of profile. So I guess that's probably why I i do it and why i enjoy it so much.
00:02:22
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Cool. You're a diver in the army. and then motorbikes was your first sort of entry into motorsports so i i had an interest in motorcycles all all my way through being a student and then being in the armed forces and then when i came out of the army that was something i sort really lent into that was a way of uh kind of replacing but the bits of the army that i really enjoyed uh the adrenaline and the teamwork and and all of that stuff that was a really natural fit so i of really lent into that after i left we are talking about you and your involvement with team brick today so
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What is Team Brit?
Team Brit's Evolution
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So Team Brit is the world's only competitive all disabled driver lineup racing team. So everybody who races with the team has ah either ah ah physical or cognitive disability and the team is adapted to help those people go racing.
00:03:12
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What does the BRIT stand for? So when the team was first conceptualised and it was a go-kart team and the aim was to take soldiers who'd been injured through military service and get them back on a road to recovery through the medium of motorsport and it started off as a go-kart team and BRIT used to stand for British Racing Injured Troops and it was purely military focused and that's sort of where the team set out. It's not quite like that anymore though is it?
00:03:42
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It's not. No, it's diversified into civilians and military personnel now. And it's gone from being a go-kart team right up to being a sort of a fully-fledged GT racing team.
Sponsorship and Personal Journey
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From go-karts to McLarens and Aston Martins and very powerful BMWs. Absolutely. You say that with a great big grin on your face. I can tell.
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And of course, nowadays, the name Brit is also the name of your title sponsor, Brit Insurance. They are. Yeah, absolutely. the And the story goes, this is before my time, that they happened to be watching a news article with the head of Brit at the time, saw the the name of the company kind of flash up and thought, well, what are we what are we doing here? And it was just a complete coincidence. the The name was, they just happened to have the same name. He got in touch.
00:04:31
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Cut a long story short, they very quickly became our main sponsor and have supported us ever since. A marketing person's dream, I think. How did you get involved? I was really lucky. i was on my way to a holiday um ah vacation in Wales and i was on motorcycle and had an accident on the way there. And that resulted in me having my right leg amputated.
00:04:53
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and so it was a bit of a busy day and ah when i was recovering i was sort trying to get used to the idea of life with one leg and all i wanted to know was could you know could i ride my bike again when could i get back on my bike when could i race again those were kind of the the things that were really important to me at the time um so give myself a focus um to get through the physio that I knew was coming and wouldn't be a lot of fun. And the the surgeon was really adamant. He was like, you you just can't get back on a motorcycle. um You know, if you have another accident this early on into your recovery, then it will be disastrous. And
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I was sort of bit down about that until I spoke to a colleague from the army who said, well, I don't know much about motorcycling, but I know there's this car team that take disabled drivers and they might be worth getting in touch with. So i think that afternoon after I woke up from the surgery, I emailed the the team and just said, look, this has just happened. I'm looking for something to do. This is this is my background. This is my history. And they just sent back an email saying, as soon as you're ready, come along, come down to the track and meet us.
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Wow. And then you're in the team. not Not quite. um So three weeks after that that email, um I went down to Brands Hatch and I met one of the instructors at the time, Jamie Falvey. And one of the the mechanics that is still there, JJ Spencer, who's a very dear friend of mine now. And they put me in a car and i went around and sort talked about what was involved and and what it was like to be a member of the team. And after that, they invited me to go meet the head engineer and the commercial director and the the team principal. We had a few meetings and a few weeks after that, they offered me a place on the team um and I bit their arm off.
Team Brit's Adaptations for Disabled Drivers
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I can you imagine. All of the cars are adapted in some way to accommodate the needs of the the disabled driver. They are. And I'm imagining that they don't need to do that much adaption for your car.
00:06:55
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um' No, so I still have use of one leg. um However, the the cars all have the normal pedals in that you would have in in any car, but the pedals are replicated as well on the steering wheel. So if you imagine you're holding the steering wheel on the left-hand side where you would normally have the the gear up and gear down as paddle shift, on our cars, those are actually accelerator and brake.
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And then the gears are inboard um on a toggle switch that use you use with either thumb in the middle of the steering wheel. So if you're, say, for example, paraplegic, you can jump in the car and you can drive it completely from the steering wheel. If you're fully able-bodied, you could get in and drive it completely normal with the pedals. And for myself, I've got the use of one good leg. So I've got the option of using either all of the pedals on the steering wheel, or I can pick up one of the pedals with the leg that I've got, and I can drive it that way. So depending on your injury, you have different options when you jump in and out of the car.
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Jump in and out of the car sounds like one of those sorts of things you might have to do in an emergency. Yeah, there's um there's you definitely need to make sure you can get out of the car quickly. Racing obviously is is reasonably dangerous and the cars do get into scrapes and accidents. So being able to get yourself in out the car is is a big part of the the safety setup.
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When you say get yourself in and out of the car, like there are rules about that, aren't there? You have to be able to do it in in a set period of time. Yeah, absolutely. So it varies from championship to championship. But as a general rule, we need to be able to prove before we can race that we can get completely out of the car on our own from a fully kitted position um in so between nine and 11 seconds, depending on on which rules we're applying to.
00:08:36
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um We have to send that video off to the governing body and then they they can obviously say that we can do it and then we can go racing. And that's that's partly to keep us safe as drivers, but also partly to keep um all the marshals
Racing and Recovery
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safe. They do an incredibly great job, um but it's not fair on them to ask them to go and dive into a burning car to get someone out if they you know need to be able to do it themselves. so So that's why those rules are in place.
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So you have this accident. You're in a hospital bed. contact the team, they invite you along and the way in which you described it sounded a lot less stressful than my driving test. i Yeah, I mean, I didn't really see it as stressful at the time. I as i ah saw it as a great opportunity to to go and um to do something incredible and and to take my mind off what had just happened.
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um And I'm sure at the time it was against most of the medical advice I was i was getting, but I was i was as damned if I was going to listen to that. So, um yeah, know the the team were were great. they They sort of gave me an opportunity to take...
00:09:39
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my mind off and focus it on something else. And at the time, that was just what I needed because it was a bit of a shock going from, you know, being absolutely fine on, say, a Monday and then on the Tuesday, you're adapting to life as an amputee. That takes some getting used to. So having something to work on and teammates to work on it with and having a a shared goal, that becomes a critical part of the recovery, or at least it did for me.
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Yes. But the thing is, although you can drive and these nice people at Team Brit say, oh, guys, come down to T, lost his right leg, wants to get in a car, come along, have a day out and drive around the track.
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That's great. But there' a i imagine that there's a lot of difference between that type of experience and getting onto the grid in a car, ready to race against other drivers as well. but there's also There must be all sorts of training that's involved.
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What's the journey from, or quite like driving around a track in a car to driving around a track in a car with other people are trying to get past you and block you and all those sorts of things.
Licensing and Skill Development
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Yeah, that's that's a really good question. And I think there are there are two types of drivers I've i've sort of discovered. There are drivers ah that are innately talented and will just get in a car and be able to put in a really good lap time really quite quickly. And then there's the rest of us that can't do that and we have to just work really hard at it. So the the difference between sort of your first nice day out and meeting the team and then getting onto the grid and finishing your first race and winning your first trophy, that the distance between those two events is just...
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you really hard work and the harder you work at it the shorter that space becomes right but what sort of work is involved in doing that is it just lots of driving around or you have to pass tests or what's it what's the what's the process so initially you you're absolutely right you do have to go and pass your your ARDS test which is your racing license um and that is is a two-part test it's it's a written component and then also an on-track practical so you'll be sat next to an examiner and they'll take you around and they'll make sure that you can drive around track being fully aware of what's around you and be able to react to things that happen with other cars and and things on the circuit. So if if you can pass that, then that gets you your license. You then become a novice.
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And then the more races you enter and take part of and get signed off on, you then upgrade your license over time. And you can get into bigger and faster cars and bigger and longer races. So it's a gradual process, um ah but it's it's quite structured.
00:12:21
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The license that you have has multiple levels to it. which means that you might start, well, you'd have to start off in a small engine car and you work your way up to the McLarens, the Aston Martins and the BMW that you drive. Absolutely. There's, I think, an innate danger for letting someone who's got enough money to go buy a Ferrari, but with no real experience of racing one, to then go and do it for the first time. So they do make you start in small cars and work yourself out. And that's for your safety and everybody else's on track. It's interesting that you say that because if you have got the money to buy very powerful car, you can simply turn up at the dealership, hand over your cash and drive away in an extremely powerful car without any extra knowledge about how to deal with that type of vehicle as opposed to something with 1100cc
Racing Technology and Experience
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engine. Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. mean, the difference being that, you know, there are rules on the road that
00:13:19
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you know and speed limits you you you will be adhering to otherwise you know they'll come take the Ferrari away but on the racetrack these machines are capable of going at some quite astonishing speeds um and and that you need to build up to you can't just get in on day one and and go kind of as fast as the car will go because you'll run out of talent quite quickly so that staging with racing is is designed to to be quite gradual and to make sure you've got the experience before you move on to the next next car Okay, so which level are you at at the moment? um So i'm I'm currently an international race holder, so I can take part in races both in the UK and internationally. And that takes me all up to sort of the GT racing that I do. And the GT racing is that?
00:14:03
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Glamorous Mans type racing. That's the very, very peak of GT racing. So I'm currently in GT3, which is a a specification of of vehicles. And you can race that specification all over the world. This year we're racing in the UK. And then hopefully next season we'll take that to Europe. When did you have your first race win?
00:14:23
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Oh, good question. um i mean, in the in the first car. So I started off in a little BMW 1 Series in my first year. I'm sure we won we won a number of of wins in that. We then moved on to a 2 Series BMW, so sort of a bigger, faster version of of the entry car.
00:14:38
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And then from that was straight into the McLaren GT4 that the team have got at the moment. And then this year, stepped out of the McLaren and into the BMW GT3, which is new to the team this year. So we're we're really happy. And that's the car that we'd look to take to sort the ultimate destiny, which is going to race at Le Mans.
00:14:57
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So they got a new BMW and you got to drive it first. I know. are the chances? Right base, right time. What sort of level of power does that car have? um So the the car runs 5, 600 horsepower, um sort of GT level, depending on the on the championship you're in.
00:15:15
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it's It's not really the power that's impressive, though. It's the way the thing stops and and goes around corners. it's It's got a decent amount of aero on it, which means it doesn't really have to slow down as much as you might think for for the the bends that it has to go around. And on top of that, you know the the brakes on it stop it in an awesomely short amount of time. So the thing turns and stops like you wouldn't believe. It goes round corners like it's on rails type of thing.
00:15:41
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It does, yeah. So the aero package on it is the bit that's pushing the car down into the tarmac. So you you stop relying on the mechanical grip of the tyres and the the suspension, and then you start relying on the the power of the air just pushing you into the track.
00:15:55
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I feel as if there's a science bit coming up. There is, and it it takes someone a lot cleverer than than me to explain it to you. But um yeah, the the aero cars are are just very fun to drive.
00:16:06
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So you're talking about aeros and as a novice, I'd be talking about spoilers and and skirts and various sorts of things. Yeah, so that does make up part of it. There's lots of different surfaces on on the car um that make up the aero characteristics of the car. And you're right, that the rear spoiler is is a big component of that. um And people who watch F1, aero is a big thing. And and where you put your aero and how it works is is a hugely complicated, important subject. And it's people far cleverer than than myself are the ones that go and work it out to make it
Roles and Inclusivity in Motorsport
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work.
00:16:40
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It all sounds very technical and very exciting and the sort of thing that, yeah, it'd be great to get involved in this sort of stuff.
00:16:50
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That's the nice thing about motorsport is it can be enjoyed at at multiple levels. There are people who who go and marshal at races and and sort of sit absolutely on trackside and deal with everything that comes along. There are people in the PR ah department, there are people in the management department, the mechanics, the engineers, the driver trainers. There's all sorts of kind of roles within motorsport, depending on on where your interest lies.
00:17:16
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I remember once seeing an advertisement for to be the HR manager for a Formula One team. Unfortunately, I saw it after it had closed, but I thought, what a job.
00:17:26
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That would be a job, wouldn't it? You'd see some stuff, I think, on that job. Right. Because it's, you think, driver and the people that change the tires. But like you're talking about quite a substantial organization at the F1 level. But even within Team Brit, there's a whole range of people in the background doing this the things that make it possible for someone to get into a car as well. So what I'm meaning is that you don't have to be a driver to get involved with something like Team Brit. There's all sorts of other things that you can do as well.
00:18:01
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Absolutely. when When you see that car out on track or crossing the line or starting a race, that is such a small tip of the iceberg compared to the countless people that have worked in the days, weeks, months and years up to that point to get that car to where it needs to be. So, yeah, the driver is the one that gets photographed and and all the rest at the end of a race. But they are a tiny cog in and and ah in a much larger kind of machine. And it takes everybody doing their bit to get that kind of result or that car or whatever it is you know done on that race day. It's a massive team effort. How far does the disabled...
00:18:37
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label go within the team? Is it just the drivers? So all of our drivers have a disability. So that that's part of the the team setup. In the background, you can be able-bodied, disabled. It it it doesn't matter at all. We take people on there their worth and what they can do and what they can bring to the team. It's it's a real mixed bag of of people we've got behind behind the scenes.
00:18:59
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And it is possible for someone to come along and say, I'm interested in motorsport. I'd like to be involved in some way. What can I do? You don't have to want to be a driver.
00:19:11
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No, absolutely. there There are so many ways of of getting involved in motorsport and we we discover new ones all the time. Yeah, if you can think of it, there's bound to be a role in in a motorsport team somewhere. I've got my own sponge and bucket.
00:19:23
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Yep, that's ah that's definitely a job.
00:19:29
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The way in which you painted it was you turned up, you wanted to be a driver and then you put on a driver development type programme. Is it also that with some people they'd be involved in other types of activities and then gradually go, well, I might like to have a bit of a drive?
00:19:44
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Yeah, absolutely. So one of the big kind of key points when people come to the team is working out what they've done in their in in their life up to that point that will help them with the challenges of of driving
Financial Aspects of Racing
00:19:57
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a car fast. So for some people, it might be the way they focus at work. They might be have a a job where they need to be very focused and disciplined, and that you know that plays a big part in it. Some people might have raced other things, you boats or bikes or planes or whatever, and they'll have ah an innate understanding of speed and and how to control something at speed. So finding those sort of key skills within people from an experience point of view is is really important.
00:20:21
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But there is a key thing about motorsport that we mustn't forget. And headsday along with the glamour of the sport, there's a lot of hard work, but there's also a lot of hard cash as well.
00:20:32
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. No, motorsport is renowned, and quite rightly so, for being in a very expensive sport. It's up there with sort of horse racing and and rocket science and all the rest of it it. It takes a lot of funding to get a top level car and and a and a good team onto a grid. And that's where you know all your commercial partnerships and your sponsors play obviously an essential role because without them, you can't go and do these things.
00:20:58
Speaker
That's true. Team Brit is not a charity, is it? No, that's quite ah an important distinction. um It's a fully commercial team. So every driver that drives for Team Brett has to go through the same kind of work to get commercial sponsorship as any other driver on the grid. And that is important, especially from how it makes you feel when you're when you're driving. If you're there competing against other people who are all able-bodied,
00:21:26
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You don't want there to be a sense that you're there because of your disability. You're there despite your disability. That's certainly true. But you're not there on a free ticket because someone's given you a handout and you know you've gone that you have to work at the deals and and do the same as every other driver on the team on the grid. And and then then it means something.
00:21:45
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No one's going to let you let you win are they? I hope not. so A lot times the other drivers, because they can't when you're in the car, they can't see whether you're disabled or not. So when you're out on track, the other drivers have got no idea whether you've got disability. They just want to beat you to the next corner and your job is to beat them to the next corner. So the disability doesn't really never really comes up anyway. It's not until everyone's out of the car at the end and then people will realise and come over and speak to and go, oh, how do you drive the car and and stuff like that. But when you're out on track, it's completely liberating. Nobody's got any idea.
00:22:17
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Right, sounds wonderful. And how much money do you then as a driver have to raise in order to get your car onto the track? That's ah' again, that's a really good question and it's hard to answer. When you start out, the budgets obviously are a fraction of what they are when you get into things like GT3 racing. So it massively depends on the championship you're running. the car that you're running, the teammate that you're running with or not with. So there's no set amount. The the best thing to do is to work out what what car suits you for your skill level at any one time. Work out how much you need to run that with yourself and your teammate for the year.
00:23:00
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Go away, find that, come back, do the deal with the team and then go and start to compete. Are we talking like six figures then? Again, it it depends. if If you're going you know real high-profile driving, then yeah, i mean the sums can get really, really big. But if you're talking club-level riding, driving, £20,000, £30,000 for a season is quite possible. it It really varies through motorsports, and that's part of the beauty of it. There is a type of motorsport to fit almost every but person and every
Racing Technology Innovations
00:23:31
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budget.
00:23:31
Speaker
Yeah. It's an expensive sport to get involved in. Yes. One of the things that I know with like Formula One and other forms of motorsport, the big commercial things, is that the manufacturers almost use the the sport as a testing ground for innovations on cars. So ABS and all those sorts of things.
00:23:56
Speaker
You're driving with drivers who have got a disability. Has Team Brit been instrumental in creating improvements that the average disabled driver would benefit from on the road?
00:24:09
Speaker
So not not directly from the system that we race with. um there's The controls that we use to go racing are what's known as fly-by-wire controls. So that means that the the pedals that we have on the steering wheel are not directly linked to the the braking system themselves. is no physical connection. So for road use, that wouldn't meet safety specifications. Also, the design that we have, we're only ever designing the wheel to be turned sort of less than one complete turn because when you're racing, you're never taking your hands off the wheel. So if you can imagine you're trying to park your car in a...
00:24:48
Speaker
parallel space at Tesco's and you've got to shuffle the wheel three or four times, if the paddles are rotating around with the wheel, that that becomes really difficult. So the the two systems are ah not really designed for road and for racing use. They're designed for one or the other. But lots of the technology that we've developed has been looked at by people, for example, like autonomous driving. cars and things like that because we use these fly-by-wire brakes and once you take the human out of the equation our system works really well it doesn't matter whether it's a racing driver or a computer that's operating it there's it's all done electronically so for them it's it's quite interesting yes i can imagine i must admit i have a car which has the paddles on the steering wheel and it seemed like a great thing to have until you're going round a roundabout
00:25:36
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Yeah, and then they they disappear. so That's exactly why you can't use racing paddles on on a road. Yeah, it's like a novelty item, but like completely, they will switch that off.
00:25:49
Speaker
But again, if if you if you're on track, they make perfect sense. You keep your hands in the same place, and you're you're never sort of shuffling around a roundabout. But you're right. Once you take them into the real world, then having your brake on an accelerator on the steering wheel is not such a great great plan.
00:26:02
Speaker
Yeah. looking at your profile on the brit team brit website you've done all sorts of different racing there's been like and and fundraising as well through your racing um the traveling from land center john gropes on a 50 cc motorbike or scooter and the scooter and that also this uh traveling from europe to the gambia in a car that you bought for less than 100 pounds you are a proper motorsport person, aren't you?
00:26:29
Speaker
It is one of things that you do. It's your thing. Yeah, I get a lot of lot of joy out of it. and And it's as much to do with the people you meet through it, I think, that that I get the enjoyment out of. um It's just people coming together to share ah a passion for something and going to either raise money to to find some some good causes or just going to do something that's not been done before.
00:26:51
Speaker
Is it your full-time job or do you have ah another job as well? No, I wish. I wish it my full-time job. If I could find a way of making enough money from it, it would be. um But yeah, there there are definitely ways. you know there There are lots of teaching jobs you can get in motorsport and that's a good way of kind of making some of the money back once you've got some experience. So that's certainly um a definite win if you get into the the motor racing world.
00:27:17
Speaker
Great. to ask you, what is your your road car? My road car? So, yeah i've I've got a really old BMW estate. It's done about 200,000 miles, and and I love it to pieces. And I chuck all my stuff in it when I go away to a race. And I'm normally smoking around in that that whole thing. And i I bought it for a pound. And, yeah, I've loved it ever since.
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Oh, it sounds great. If people want to get involved in motorsport in some sort of way, which are the circuits that you compete on in the UK? So nearly all circuits in UK will run track days and school days and experience days. So there's lots of different levels that you can go and experience things either with an instructor or in your own car or in the the tracks car. But there's also go-karting everywhere. And that that is the the absolute most brilliant foundation style that anyone who wants go to go and do some motorsport can get into. and And all drivers from all different backgrounds disciplines always return to go-karting at some point because it's such a pure kind of version of the sport.
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Yeah, travelling at speed two inches above the ground. It feels a lot faster, doesn't it, when you're that low to the ground. It's when they put you in a flame-proof suit to begin with and they've got the helmet on everything.
00:28:34
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you think i'm only going go-karting and then you realize it's basically a steering wheel four wheels in an engine and you're just flying around a track you know it's good fun though i do yes it's still still still not the safest things yeah all motorsport is dangerous if you uh if you're unlucky yeah you've got to realize that you have got something that is a very powerful and you're just balancing on it but you know you you communicate the fun of the motorsport extremely well and i've enjoyed very much our conversation today has been great from you know thank you very much and thank you very much for having me it's been really fun thank you i am michael millward the managing director of abeceda and in this episode of rest and recreation i have been having a conversation with paul fillick a race driver with team brit you can find out more about both of us by using the links in the description
00:29:26
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