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Viral Videos, Lamello, and Salt Cellars.
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Jeff and Jon discuss their first viral YouTube video, an upcoming video about Lamello, and the return of salt cellar pandemonium. Make sure to check out our first video podcast over on YouTube.
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Introduction & Sponsorships
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Video Recording & New System
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All right, ladies and gentlemen, if you're just listening to the show, you don't realize that we're actually recording video for the show right now. So if you want to check that out, head over to our YouTube channel, it's going to be up there.
00:01:20
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Nate, it'll be interesting to see what that does. Yeah, trying out a new recording system. And the sound is going to be slightly different too.
00:01:27
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So the audio has been uploading to the Green Street Joinery channel for the last six months or whatever it's been? Well, basically the whole time. So originally Rob and I used to do video and that went up to the Green Street page. And then probably 18 months ago, so we stopped doing that say two and a half years ago or something.
00:01:53
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Then about 18 months ago, I started uploading just the audio. So it's just a static image and then the audio. Did anybody tune into that? Yeah, it gets, I don't know, say 50 or so views a week, something like that and some comments. People just listen to it on YouTube while they're doing whatever they do when they listen to it on Apple Podcast or whatever else. Yep. Cool. So now you get to watch. John and I just sit here.
00:02:16
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Well, the cool thing is we're going to transform this space. So that's going to be cool. Yeah. And I think that'll be a good show. I'm sure we can get some sponsors involved in that, especially when we come up with a plan and especially when you sort of put it together visually so that the sponsors can see it, you know, as far as the hardware that's going to be used, lighting. Yep.
00:02:41
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Because well you don't have to change the ceiling the ceilings actually pretty. I'm kidding is a pretty rough looking ceiling if you're if you haven't seen what the office here green street looks like. Do yourself a favor and just go to the youtube channel and watch a little bit of this episode you can see it's. I don't think this even does it justice now because we can't stitch in the ceiling the ceiling i think is one of the roughest part over there were like half of the wall is missing you just have cinder block yep.
00:03:09
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But yeah, this would be neat to rip up this, what would you call this floor? Like linoleum tiles. Linoleum tiles, yeah, there you go. Rip that up, maybe get a sponsor for the flooring, come up with the whole plan. I definitely would like to put some artwork in here. It'd be cool to have some cool paintings, some cool built-ins.
00:03:34
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What do you think about a double door just to keep the dirt and dust out of this area? I know way back in the 80s where I learned how to do all the woodworking, my boss had a showroom and then he had the wood shop. And it was an old house that was transformed into a shop and then basically like a store, a furniture store. And he created a double door to help keep the dust down.
00:04:04
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Not that it's so bad, but I'm sure that, you know, yeah, you just. Yeah. Most of that's from leaving the door open. So that's an exterior door. So it's sealed on all four sides. All right. I think once it has casing and stuff, it'll, it'll be sufficient. Yeah. But like days like today, it's nicer in the shop than it is in here. So if I'm in here doing office work, I might have that door open. It's just kind of stuff in here because. Yeah. It's always hotter in here than it is in there.
00:04:32
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And you didn't run the AC today because it's cool out. Yeah, it came in. It was gorgeous. Yeah. Beautiful weather. Unfortunately, really dry. There's like no rain in the forecast. And if you're a lawn guy like I am, you're sort of doing the rain dance every night because we keep getting teased like, Oh yeah, it's an 80% chance of rain. And we get, I think we had a couple of drops yesterday. I don't remember.
00:04:59
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So before we get into the whatever else we were going to get into, you are going to aerate. Yeah. So I think this weekend you're going to aerate and then we should try to get the seed down within the, within like three or five days from the time you aerate, because I'd like to talk about all the little chunks of soil that'll be left on your lawn. It's a good visual. And if you could just get just
00:05:26
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40 seconds of you pushing that air rate or maybe some close-ups of what it does, how it removes the plugs from the soil because that'll be a good video. I think that especially comparing your lawn to your father-in-law's lawn across the street will be
00:05:41
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Be good. And I know Barry from Jonathan Green will like that. So I probably won't have a sponsored video, but I just like those. I like everyone at Jonathan Green. So I would probably put that video on my channel.
00:05:58
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even though I'm not getting paid for it just for the affiliate. Yeah. And also they send me a lot of product and we're going to be using that product on your, on your lawn. So it'd be good. Yeah. Yeah. It's looking, it's looking pretty green right now. Like the areas that had decent grass, I guess, just cause I've been watering it twice a day. Like it's, it looks more green and full sort of than it was. Did any of that seed grow? There are. Yeah. There's definitely some little,
00:06:23
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a little bit, but you really need seed soil contact. If you think about it, it's just like almost putting grass seed on your driveway. Yeah, it's not gonna grow.
Viral Video Success
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So we're gonna talk about our viral video.
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So we put up a video Saturday morning like we always do. And right away it started to get some traction. Yeah, it hit 2000 within like a couple hours. And then it just built and I think now it's over 110,000. It gained more than 500 new subscribers. And that's really, it's amazing because you never know what's going to hit, but a lot of times Jeff and I will maybe have a plan for a video
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And then I'll come in here and I'll see something that I'm not that familiar with and think, ah, people would like to know about that. And that was the case with the Confromat screws because I had seen them before, but I, you know, I wasn't really aware of them and it just took off. I think, I think the short will do well to the one that you posted today on Instagram. I don't know how that's doing yet. Uh, it's doing okay. The, the Solice or the, the positive drive one is doing good.
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Okay. Yeah. I cut a lot of comments. Yeah. It's always good when you start getting a lot of comments, even the bad comments are good. So anyway, we'll, we'll put up a short of the, the confirmation screws and then we'll make the related video.
00:07:52
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the long format video and that might help if it blows up. So I had a video go, not viral, but a short kind of blow up. I think it's maybe almost 300,000 views and I posted it like two days ago. And that's the beeswax on the end of the board. And so right away, I started to notice I was getting like,
00:08:17
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Like kind of hateful comments. And I thought to myself, oh, this video is doing pretty good. So that's the sign of a video that's doing well. And then the nice thing about a short is, and I don't know much about YouTube after all these years. And I notice a lot of people who do know a lot about YouTube aren't putting up shorts. Some are, some aren't. So maybe it's not good for your channel.
00:08:45
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I thought they say that shorts are like the thing to be posting. See, you hear, I think you just hear like that opinion. Then you hear like a completely opposite opinion. My feeling is shorts are kind of fun to make. I consume a lot of shorts and I've had a few shorts really blow up and then not that, not that subscribers translate into views, which I wish they did, but they don't for me.
00:09:13
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And it seems vice versa, like views don't translate into subscribers always. But shorts translate into subscribers. Yeah, we picked up a lot when I was posting like twice a day, even though they weren't great, we were gaining a lot of subscribers off of them.
00:09:29
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So that's the thing. Like I have that one viral video on the bicycle rack, which is going to hit to 200 million views probably in the next, I don't know, a couple of weeks or months or whatever very soon, maybe even like the next week. Uh, but that has gained, I think 280, 200, I think 230,000 subscribers, maybe more.
00:09:52
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But that's the only reason why I'm going to hit a million. If that video didn't go viral, I would still be far, far, far from a million. But it'll be nice to hit a million just for bragging rights. Yeah. What is that, a platinum? Do they give you like a platinum? I think it's a gold plaque. Gold plaque? When I got my 100,000 plaque, it's a really cheesy looking plaque compared to- Is that silver?
00:10:15
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It's not even, it's like a little silver play button in like a flimsy frame where the 100,000 play button today I think is silver and it actually looks nice. It's actually like, I don't know, maybe 11 by 13 inches where this is like a little five by seven thing. So anyway, that's cool. We had that viral video going. Yeah, that'd be cool. We'll get a play button right here.
00:10:44
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There you go. Right there. Need a logo. We need a lot of things. In other news, you're doing the- It's all boxes. Yeah. Yeah. So I had meant to mention it last week.
00:11:00
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But we, I just didn't think of it. So we are doing the salt boxes again, even though I swore up and down, I was never going to do them again. And I had a couple of people busting my chops are like, you said you were never going to do this again. Yeah, I did. And I didn't plan on it. But Adam from three dot hit me up, say two weeks ago. They said, Oh, I think it's about that time. And I said, man, you know, I can't do these again. You know, it's just too much of a risk. It's just
00:11:29
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The price was based on the old shop, very low overhead. We're in this new shop, overhead is higher, costs are higher. So that was the whole thing. And the risk of just like, if things go sideways, it's a lot to deal with. Like they did last time. Yeah, everything went sideways last time. Yeah. It went sideways and then back the other way and then full 360 back sideways again.
00:11:54
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So basically, he said like, well, what can we do to make it happen kind of thing? And I said, best I could do is sit down and look at the numbers again, reprice it. And I did. And he figured out how to make it work. So we're going to do them again. Good. And run a 500? Yeah. So by the time this comes out, they'll theoretically be all sold out and we'll be doing 500.
00:12:20
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That's pretty amazing to have a product that can sell out that quick. Of course you're going to want to continue to make it. What's the percentage that goes to No Hungry? No Kid Hungry. It was 25%. I think it's going to be a little bit less now. 25% is a big donation. We donated over about $70,000 over the past couple of years.
00:12:43
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Yeah, and you have to make a profit in order to make it. Otherwise, you just can't do it because nobody's paying your rent. Yeah. So the price per box is going up a little bit for the consumer, for me as well. So I have to charge more to be able to do it. So the price is going up.
00:13:04
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for the people buying them. But I think it's only going up like 10 bucks to 110. He could get 150, I think, easy. I think he could too. I don't think it's about the money. Yeah. You know, Walter and I are coming up with a product and it's going to be important to hit the number, to hit the price right. Yeah. Because
00:13:29
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We can make it, but we can't make it if we can't make money on it. Because no matter what, it's handmade. And it's gonna take some time. It's gonna be a nice thing.
00:13:40
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I saw some of it. I like it. Yeah. It's fun. I used it today. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, I, um, I, I think of, uh, like if you think of being like a real art snob, it definitely has a feeling of a very famous art artist that which I'll mention, you know, when, when the product is out, it's actually kind of inspired by like one of these,
00:14:09
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famous sculptors. Now it is very minimal because it's a handle. But at the same time, there's one little change on it that I think kind of makes it... Yeah, it's cool. ...makes it elegant, right? So you have this tool that is going to get used that also, in my view, is like an art piece.
00:14:26
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Yeah, I mean, and look at like the mallets that half of these jackasses are using on social media. It's like a like a out of a coyote and roadrunner. Yeah, you know, they're funny. Oh my gosh. What is that thing? Yeah, there's something nice about using a good tool. So I was using that today and I won't even kind of describe it because we just want to kind of keep it under. Oh, did I give it away by saying?
00:14:53
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Oh yeah, kind of. Doesn't matter. I think we might have mentioned it though a couple weeks ago. Doesn't matter. Yeah. Cause you were talking about mine. Oh, that's right. That's right. So, um, and actually, Walter showed a picture of it on, on his Instagram the other day. Yeah. He, he sent me a picture of the, of the, uh, did he send it to you today? No. Cause I took a picture of it today and it looked really cool. It was a couple that maybe yesterday.
00:15:19
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Yeah. I was a little concerned about how it would feel. So then I used it today and I was like, wow, this has a nice feel to it. So, um, yeah, so it's some kind of a mallet, you know, we're making it out of a gummy bears and we put them, we immersed them in epoxy and, uh, and then Walter cut them on his machine. Yeah. It's just real sticky on the inside of his CNC. It looks cool.
00:15:44
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So anyway, but that's a big thing. It's like, okay, what are we going to price this thing at to make it worth it? Because imagine getting a big order and then we're like, Oh my God, we're just losing our shirts on this. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. You might sell a hundred of them and then it's like, now we actually have to make them. Yeah. Yeah.
00:16:00
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It's, Walter's got a great mind. It's really good to do it with him because he, well, you can count on him. You know what I mean? And that's, that's what I really like, not to get into a whole ass kissing session here, but that's why I like working with you. It's like, I don't have to,
00:16:17
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think like, oh, is this not going to work? If we talk about something, it just gets done. You know what I mean? You have your role. I have my role. We don't have to worry about somebody going to do their role. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Some people you can't depend on for anything. Yeah. It's really weird. With Walter, it's like, oh, this is really cool because he's also going to be thinking about it. He's going to be problem solving.
00:16:41
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You know, when he's not in the shop, just like I'll be. So the other day he bought his half home or whatever. And like at six o'clock in the morning, I was like working on my half and then he could see it. And it was like, and plus, I mean, to be able to, to be able to like work on a project with your adult son, you know, it's really cool. Yeah.
00:17:01
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There is that thing though, like when you work with any of your family members, is to always remember, you know, it's family, family comes first, you don't get too like crazy about anything. Yeah. Because no matter,
00:17:15
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No matter what you still have different, you know, personalities and opinions. You just don't want to, when you're dealing with your kids, especially in your kids, your father, you just always have to kind of like, okay, we can work on this project together, but we're not like going into business together. It's like, it's not like that. And I don't think he'd want to do that with me and sort of vice versa. You know, he has his whole shop and his whole space and same thing. Yeah.
00:17:45
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Yeah, he's doing a lot of cool stuff. I was talking to Dino the other day. I told you, yeah, Dino's gonna send some stuff over. But Walter made all of those, I guess they're the feet for the clamping, clamping system.
00:18:01
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Yeah, he's getting a lot, I remember that job was pretty early on and he was really excited to get that. And again, it's pretty cool to see him not only get the job, but complete the job. And he's dealing with a machine that is older than he is, so it's not like,
00:18:18
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It's not like turnkey, you know, like, okay, he's like having to figure stuff out. And even when, even when the things do go sideways, he figures it out, gets the job done, gets it delivered and moves on to the next one. It's not, you know, Oh, I'm overwhelmed with this and I got to quit. You know, so that's cool. I keep, I feel like I keep seeing the, either the camera or something flash. I don't see it. Boy, this paneling is pretty rough.
00:18:45
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Yeah. Did you just see that? I feel like it's when I shake my... I don't see it.
00:18:53
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I guess not. Maybe I have a worm
Bike Purchases & Shipping Delays
00:18:55
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in my brain. It's possible. I was just telling John, my bike still hasn't shipped. That was last episode. It was funny. Keith was saying, oh, it's going to turn into the bike podcast. I was wondering about that. I was like, oh, man, we're getting pretty deep with the bikes. And Ed, yeah. Yeah, so I did. I ended up ordering a bike that day. I went with the T7 and it still hasn't shipped. It's been a week.
00:19:22
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And there's no update. No, just says pick. Geez. Yeah. It's a small company. So. Where's it coming from? Bikes online. Where's that though? California. Yeah, I figured California. So it's going to be like five days once it ships. Well, you have no idea when it's going to ship.
00:19:44
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They told me Monday at the latest. Did you actually talk to somebody? Yeah, via email. All right. Because I changed the color. I accidentally ordered not the color I wanted, so I changed it. Do you want to tell me what color you're getting? It's gray. It's gray and white. Let me sit down here and pull it up. Originally, I accidentally ordered the
00:20:09
Speaker
There's definitely a way to share screen too. So this is the color that I got. Oh, that's sweet looking. That's a sweet looking bike. Yeah. But this is what I... That's what I accidentally ordered. I can see that. This is not really my style. No. I mean, that's like right out of 1985. Yeah. I'm a pretty like earth tone is kind of my thing. Yeah. That white and black looks sweet. Gray and black. I think you're going to love that bike. Holy cow.
00:20:39
Speaker
Yeah, I'm dying to get it. Do you go tubeless or you have tubes in your... I switched mine over to tubeless because a thorn will give you a flat, pinching a tube. You know what pinching a tube is? No. If you go over a log or something and the tube hits the rim, it'll pinch the tube and you'll get a... Oh, and it gets sealed? It looks like a snake bite.
00:21:03
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if you have a tube. Why, because the spokes go into the... No, it just pinches it. It pinches it so hard that it creates these two little holes in your tube and you'll get a flat. Now with tubeless, that'll get filled up with the sealant. Right. And it's saved me a ton of times plus you can then plug your tire. So I've had to plug my tire out in the field, right, around the woods.
00:21:28
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And that's plugging your tire in the same way you would plug your car tire with a rubber plug. Did you do it yourself? I did. Because this is tubeless ready. Yeah, so all you have to do is, I think, change your valve and then open up your tire. Well, take the tube out, open up your tire, pour it in there, and you're good to go. Yeah, I watched a video and the guy actually removed the tire from the rim.
00:21:57
Speaker
Then he poured the sealant into the tire and then he put it back on the rim. And then he had to like set the bead though or whatever, which was like, well, you just love like blasting out like a big amount of air in there or something. Well, you're going to use your compressor anyway to put air on it. I guess I bring it here. Yeah. You can make, you should make a little bike stand. I can make one for you. I was thinking about buying one. They're like 30 bucks. Why wouldn't you want to make one for the first 75? Take like a whole day, take 10 hours and make a bike stand.
00:22:23
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Yeah, they have ones that that you could screw right to the wall and it's just like the thing you have Yeah, little armor sticks probably way better than what I use because It's probably clamped in a better way. A lot of people don't clamp it onto the top tube. They actually clamp it onto the seat post. Okay, and You did get a dropper post, right? Yeah, it comes with one. Yeah
00:22:45
Speaker
So you just want to make sure your dropper post is fully extended, I think. I don't think you want to have upward pressure. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, otherwise it messes up the mechanism there. But if you're going to do any work on a bike, you definitely need a bike stand because it doesn't have a kickstand. Even just to put it together, it seems easier. Yeah, and it's not like the old days where you would flip your bike over and
00:23:05
Speaker
Oh, sit it on the seat and the handlebars. Yeah, sit it on the seat and the handlebars. I have a funny story. So that bike rack video, the whole idea there is you push the tire into it, and then the bike is held there with friction. And then you put this little locking pin, which is a half inch dowel. That's in case the tire pressure goes down while it's in storage. If that happened without the dowel, the bike would fall over backwards. It would just fall. Yeah.
00:23:31
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So I went out for a ride Saturday morning, I walk over to the bike, I clip my phone onto this thing that's right on top of the handlebars there, right where the handlebars are connected to the neck there. And walk over to the pin, didn't even think of it, pull the pin out and the bike just falls over and all the way to the bike lands on my phone.
00:23:56
Speaker
Nothing happened. Wow. I mean, that's it. So there's, that's how it connects. Yeah. So you're going to want to get one of these. You're going to love quad lock. Is that what it's called? Quad lock or SP connect. Um, I can't say I like one better than the other. I use them both. How do you like the case itself? Check it out. Yeah. Yeah. I like it. It's thin. It's got grip. So I'm using this right now. I went back to an Otter box. Yeah. Slippery. Yeah. And big. Yeah.
00:24:24
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No, this is really, this is really nice. So this is the SB Connect. I think you should go with this one. And the nice thing about that is you'll put your route there, you know, put your handlebars. Obviously you don't want to be texting and stuff while you're riding. Watch YouTube. But it's just nice not to have your phone in your pocket and
00:24:48
Speaker
You know, I don't know. That's really the main thing. But yeah, so shout out to iPhone for not totally getting destroyed. And this case worked out well. This is the iPhone 15. So this is what we're shooting all the videos on. This and this New Holland microphone, this was recommended by Keith Johnson. And I think it works great.
00:25:16
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I met him at IWF. Oh really? Yeah. We're going to see him. I'm sure at maker camp in a couple of weeks. Yeah. He was in the Lamello booth. Oh cool. Yeah. Which we just shot a video about the classic ex talented. I think Keith is super talented. Uh, I, I can't get over,
00:25:36
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how much work goes into some of those pieces that he's making. I mean, they're pretty, uh, like he did this whole, uh, recording, um, like consult, you know, heavily custom, heavily custom. And it was for a client. Oh yeah. Really nice. Uh, this isn't a dig against him, but is it, is the only reason he can do that because he's supplementing it with social media income, you know, maybe, but business is business in
Maker Camp Plans
00:26:04
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my view. Um,
00:26:07
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I think that I know like, I don't know. His videos do really well too. I mean, so. It seemed like a nice guy. Yeah. He's really nice guy. I met him at maker camp about three years ago. He's good friends with Derek from Maldon. Okay. And, um, I really, I really liked Derek. You know, it's cool seeing everybody up there. Yeah. Walter and I are coming up. That's like two weeks. Yeah. Yeah. Two weeks from Thursday, Friday.
00:26:35
Speaker
Yeah. Are you going up? What day are you going to go up Thursday? You're going up early. We're going to go up on a Friday. Um, and then we, we leave, I think Sunday morning. Now, is that this type of thing? Is that on, is that on like Columbus day weekend or something? And so do you leave Monday or Sunday Monday? You're really gone for a long time. Yeah.
00:26:57
Speaker
If I'm doing it, I'm doing it. Yeah, I guess so. Walter and I are like so similar because we both wake up like Sunday morning like, all right, let's go. I mean, that's just, I don't know, just like get back in our routine. Yeah. I feel like any sidestep out of my routine is so detrimental that I might as well ride it out and get my, get, make it worth it. You know, that's good logic. I think that's good logic. I,
00:27:26
Speaker
I look at it as like, um, I'll get back on Sunday and probably get back in time to ride. I, so my routine has a lot to do with, with working out and I don't like to be not working out on a regular basis. And if you're up there eating and drinking, you're not going to wake up and say, Oh, I'm going to go for a 20 mile ride. No. In fact, I thought maybe I could ride at Wyndham.
00:27:52
Speaker
But then I thought, you know, you bring the bicycle, it's just like, you got to pick like, what are you going to do? Yeah, that was like the first year I brought my fishing poles. See, that's kind of a, I thought about that too, because I think we're pretty close to a little, but then
00:28:08
Speaker
You'd want to get a license. I can't fish. I can't fish without a license. I just can't. It's not worth it. Yeah. I can't do it because I can't relax. Like I just feel like any minute somebody, so we go clamming all the time and it's only 10 bucks for a license and I've never seen a game more than clamming ever.
00:28:28
Speaker
You'll see them when you don't have the license. That's the whole thing. That's absolutely it. But I think a three-day fishing license is a little bit more. It's probably closer to 50 or 70. No, for New York, you can get a seven-day for 28. Oh, is that all? Yeah. OK. Yeah, because I go up to Pulaski. So it's 50 for a year. Oh, OK. 28 for seven-day. Well.
00:28:55
Speaker
Probably won't do it anyway, just because again, it's like one more thing. What are you going to do? Are you going to go up there for what you went up there for? Are you going to go up there and go fishing? Yeah, exactly. And you're staying at the place. Yeah, same spot. We always stay. That's the best. For me, that's the best spot to the best room. We're staying about three miles away, which the only thing that means is. Maybe you do bring your bikes and just ride.
00:29:22
Speaker
Yeah, but then I thought, okay, I got this expensive bicycle. What am I going to do with it? Yeah. You know, I could put it in your room. Yeah. I could put it, you're not taking the van, are you? Yeah. I could put it in your van. Yeah. Who's staying with you? You got the whole thing to yourself? Nobody, just me. Wow. Yeah. That's like a, that's a big room too, right? Uh, yeah. It's got like two, one of the queen beds probably. That's going to be pretty nice being on your own. Rob's not going to go. You don't think he'd get robbed to go? No. Yeah. Um,
00:29:50
Speaker
Yeah. Rob DeMarco was, was twisting his arm. Yeah. I got to get, I got to get Rob a jar of honey. DeMarco or, or Barone. Well, I'll probably bring a few jars up to, to a maker camp. And I was, I was talking about Rob Barone. So I'll, I'll either drop off a jar on my way back from here one day or leave it here. Um, we got to drag them in for a podcast. Yeah. I also want to get a, uh, what I'd like to do, how much are one of these candles from Brian?
00:30:21
Speaker
Um, like 30 bucks, something like that. All right. Maybe I'll give them like two jars of honey for a candle. I also, what I really want, I want a candle too. The candles are great. Yeah. Um, my mom, I got two of my mom. They're nice. You know, that's a great idea for a Christmas present. Yeah. And it's, you know, locally handmade. Yeah. They're really nice. I mean, they burn really nice. Yeah. I light a candle like every morning at home, you know,
00:30:45
Speaker
Yeah, it's nice. We don't like candles that often, but they are really nice and have a great scent to them. But also I wanted to ask him for just one or two wicks or just a little length of wick because I have some beeswax and I just want to play around with making a candle. Oh, yeah. And I'm sure that there's a I'm sure that he uses a really good wick because his candles burn amazing. Yeah. Yeah. It's like all cotton made in USA.
00:31:14
Speaker
Yeah, you guys should do a collab where that where so he his candles are soy wax and You do it could be a mixture beeswax soy wax together. That'd be cool I don't know if I could have enough wax for it to make sense for him. Yeah, because you super exclusive he makes six kids Does he make not that many candles? No, I'm saying because you only have so much wax and
00:31:38
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I did a short video recently where I made or I cooked down some of the beeswax and filtered it out. And I think I ended up with, I don't know, six or eight little cupcake cakes of wax. Okay. So it wasn't a lot, you know, it's
00:32:01
Speaker
I don't do it that much. It's not like a big, um, it's not like a, a huge beekeeping operation. I've got a few hives and it was a tremendous amount of work. We were driving back from my parents on Saturday. We were going through Colts neck, like over by Colts neck in, um, my wife's like, we should get some, some bees and then we can get like a tax break. I'm like, first of all, that's not a thing. Like the, it is a thing, but it isn't a thing though. You have to have six acres.
00:32:29
Speaker
Yeah, and you have to do it for X amount of years. And I think there has to be like a business tied to it with the bees. Like you have to either be selling honey or renting out the bees or whatever. And I was like, and it's like a massive amount of work. Beekeeping is way more work than you ever thought it would be. Now this year I did kind of a hands off approach and I feel like I've done the same. I'm not really doing that much different.
00:32:56
Speaker
Um, but it's still like, I don't know. You could be someone here. Give me a second. Sounds like someone's in the, in the shop looking for Jeff and, uh, he's going out to see what's going on. I'll give you the blow by below.
00:33:24
Speaker
Yeah. I don't know. I don't think it's a customer. I think it's just somebody might be lost. This is why it's nice to have two people on a podcast. Who was that?
00:33:52
Speaker
You're not driving a Camry, are you? No. I'm not driving my truck yet. Yeah, that's crazy. You're not fixed. Yeah, somebody was blocking the neighbor's driveway. I said tow it. Yeah. That's what I would do. The barbershop across the street. Yeah, there's apartments back there and somebody's blocking the driveway right across the street. Yeah. Crazy. I keep seeing a flash over here.
00:34:20
Speaker
I don't see it. I just see it looks, so I'm watching that. Looks blue. Yeah, I'm watching that show, Mind Hunters. Have you watched that on Netflix? No, I've heard about it. It's about serial killers. It's about really the science of developing the investigation of serial killers. So like understanding the serial killer to try to catch other serial killers.
00:34:46
Speaker
but it all takes place in like the 70s. It looks like we're in an episode of Mindhunter right now. If you watch it, you're gonna be like, holy cow. Because everything looks smoky too and everybody's like smoking cigarettes. It's funny.
00:35:00
Speaker
There's a lot of fruit flies in here today. So what else are you working on? So Leilani's out there and she's actually running through. We cut 18 sample boxes just to get warmed up, check the machines, check the setup, get her acquainted with the whole process. So she is actually, she's out there assembling the A-team right now. So we cut some of them earlier in the week or maybe it was even last week.
00:35:27
Speaker
but I cut another eight boxes today, and then we rabbeted the bottoms, then we sanded the lids and the sides, sanded the front and the back, rounded over the lid, and now she's assembling them. And then she'll get some practice sanding the boxes on the belt sander, which that seems like one of the trickiest parts of the project. I wouldn't say it's tricky, but it's a pain. It's just a lot of work.
00:35:55
Speaker
It seems like that's where you could screw one up. Really anywhere. Really just like doing a rabbit in the bottom is the one thing that you probably can't mess up. And you do that on the table saw? Yeah. All right. Yeah.
Woodworking Tool Preferences
00:36:10
Speaker
So I have the blade buried into a sacrificial fence a little bit. So we're taking like a say three sixteenths heavy by three thirty second rabbit on all four sides.
00:36:22
Speaker
And you're doing that with a flat ground blade, just a regular eighth inch. It's just a regular ATB blade that we have in there now. All right. But flat, a flat, yeah. You need a flat too. ATBR would be preferable. ATBR, R stands for? Raker. Okay, ready.
00:36:40
Speaker
If only we had a saw blade sponsor who would send out a blade, that would be... That would give us something to talk about. Nice, but... Because I need a new blade for my saw and I thought, man, I got to buy a blade. Yeah. If they gave me a blade, I'd talk about it. I just put a new CMT blade in my saw to cut Baltic birch plywood for that sauna.
00:37:06
Speaker
No, I gotta do that. But you know, it's funny, I've done so many side projects, like literally just things that I've done on the house. Well, you can imagine how much time that window took, the glazing of that window. I mean, just like little things that just suck up your time. And so, yeah, so I'm just not getting things done. And I was thinking about that recently, like,
00:37:33
Speaker
I need to make a list and maybe even just make a video, make videos about the little things that I, I want to get done. And then by the end of the week, that thing would be done. Like the erosion issue that I'm dealing with where the water comes off the driveway, it's like 80% done to completely really finish it. I need to grab a few more like four by sixes and some more rock and, and do a little bit more planting, but then it would be done. Yeah.
00:38:01
Speaker
But to do that would take a day day. If I video a day and a half, two days, I don't video it. Yeah. Sometimes just the thought of it is harder to get over and then actually doing it. I totally agree. And, and if you don't video it's, you can get a lot done. I didn't see that. I see your reaction. It must be on my screen only. Yeah, I think so. It's weird.
00:38:31
Speaker
So we're just finished shooting a video on the, uh, on the biscuit joiner. I'm actually excited to get that in the shop and start using it. It's really nice. I'm looking forward to using that. I want to make a few pieces of solid cherry furniture. And, um, of course I'll be using that to join the boards together. Just making sure that it's not like screwing something up. I don't know if it's just a glitch in the, uh,
00:38:58
Speaker
I don't know. It says we're recording for 38 minutes. So there it goes. Might be this, might be the camera. I don't know. That's just a little webcam I picked up. Where'd you get it? Target. Wow. Only place that was open at 8am when I, when the idea struck me. Did you do that today? Yeah. Oh wow. Well I had the, I had on my thing, like rerecord the intro because it's, have you listened to the podcast?
00:39:22
Speaker
I have, yeah. Yeah, the sound is really messed up between the intro and then the real thing. It's like super, the bass is really heavy and the gate that I have on. So when there's no talking, it will drop the sound way down. So a noise gate, you know, takes any dead space and it drops the sound way down. So it cuts out any background noise like this.
00:39:48
Speaker
security thing, humming, all that stuff. So when you don't talk, it's super quiet. And then when you do talk, it brings the sound back up. And then you can hear a little bit of that background noise. So it sounds like choppy.
Switch to Zencastr
00:40:01
Speaker
So then I was gonna get in and mess with the filters. And then I'm like, let me just look into Zencaster real quick, because, you know, I know we talked about wanting to bring people on. And so it was just like time for a change.
00:40:12
Speaker
Well, Walter was really impressed with, with how Zen cast, or he said that when he was on working hands, he thought, wow, there's going to be a lot of quiet space. And, uh, he said it just disappeared and the podcast really flowed. Yeah. Uh, Keith uses something else to do that. It's not Zen caster, but something like that. Yeah. Well, he uses Zen caster, but he uses a separate program to do that part of the podcast. Yeah. So what is Zen cast are going to do? Uh, it's basically just like a zoom.
00:40:41
Speaker
So if we have guests, they'll just be up there as a little thing. Okay. And then it, um, it does, it does have a way to, to sort of edit out that dead space and stuff, I think. And it's supposed to like do clips and stuff too. So we'll see. Okay. It's a 14 day free trial. So neat. Sounds good to me. Yeah. And a couple of people asked for video. So good. Good. Well, it'll be interesting to see what that does to the channel. Is that going to turn people off or turn people, more people onto it?
00:41:12
Speaker
I don't know. Like all the channels I'm subscribed to, unless I go looking, I don't see anything. So yeah, it's true. I don't see how anybody could be like, whoa, what the hell these guys are putting out a podcast now. So when will the podcast come out on the channel? Uh, theoretically it should be the same exact time Friday at 5 AM. Okay. So it's something to talk about on Instagram and yeah, I plugged the channel on my last video.
00:41:39
Speaker
but at the very end, by the end of my videos, I don't think anybody's watching. Yeah. Even the video that's going, uh, 111,000 or whatever it is, uh, like the average watch time is still only, you know, well, there's the average is highly skewed. Like it says three minutes, but it's like, you know, if you look at the graph where people drop off, most people are still watching deep, deep into the video. And then towards the end, there's a steeper,
00:42:11
Speaker
The videos that you watch, you watch them throughout. Yeah. You watch pretty much everything throughout. Yeah. You know, unless I get disinterested and then... Yeah. Yeah, I'm trying to think. I kind of do the same thing. Like the channels that I watch, I watch them front to back. Yeah, I guess I do too. I don't watch that many woodworking channels these days though. Oh yeah. I don't really watch any.
00:42:36
Speaker
It's funny when it all started, like I would watch a lot of, and you kind of knew everybody. Now there's, I mean, my son Michael turned me on to this guy who built a, he built an Airbnb with I think five containers and he's really good videos.
00:42:57
Speaker
And I mean, I stayed the entire video because he does a great job of breaking down the numbers, how young guys like maybe 25 years old. And it just goes to show like when when when I started making videos, there was literally probably 15 or 20 people doing it or that I knew of. And now some of the most popular people are people who are really getting a lot of views. I'm just hearing hearing about him now. Yeah.
00:43:27
Speaker
Yeah, it's so hard to gauge what what will be successful and what won't be. Yeah, that's why I think you just have to do what you like to do. And
00:43:35
Speaker
I mean, coming over here to shoot a video is not really like work. We're just like, okay, we'll shoot this video. We kind of know what it is. Yeah. Serving a purpose. Um, there's definitely projects I want to do sometime down the road, like that has more to do with a whole home. And I think that will be more invigorating because after a while it's like, how many pieces of furniture can you build? Um, at the same time,
00:44:03
Speaker
I think at some point I'd like to change up the furniture. Like right now I'm doing a lot of veneer projects. I'd like to get into building solid wood cherry just because a cherry is just so nice to work with. Oh yeah. And again, if I was building stuff for a home, then you'd have more, more reason to build stuff. I think too, a lot of, I don't know if a lot of other YouTubers feel the same way who make things.
00:44:30
Speaker
But early on I was making a lot of things cause I had a need for them, but after a while you don't have a need for them. So then what's the purpose? Yeah, you filled all the needs. Yeah. So what's the purpose?
Table Design Considerations
00:44:39
Speaker
You start making like a, you know, a boat out of a cardboard box. Yeah. So I think that, um, I think of our building, like a dining table for a home, I would have much more,
00:44:58
Speaker
I'd be more excited about the project. Yeah. I could use tape. You want to build me one? Maybe. Um, what kind of, where do you want to put it? Kitchen? Yeah. Uh, no rectangular. So it's pulling my kitchen. I'm sure we can figure out some barter. Would you trade a, uh, kitchen table for an entire kitchen?
00:45:24
Speaker
Hey, Laurel, I'm going to build Jeff a table. He's going to do our whole kitchen over. So it's going to go. Would you build it in cherry? I'm going to do like a. Yeah, I'm going to do like a bank at here L shaped and then table go here. Big tape. I want to do a big table or probably with leaves. Oh, my God. You just you just threw out the thing that's going to make me not want to build it. Leaves. You really want to do leaves? Yeah. Drop in leaves, though. Not what we got a butterfly.
00:45:54
Speaker
How about leaves that connect to the end, that connect to, did you ever see that? Where they cut them through the apron? Yeah, I don't want an apron though. Oh really? So what do you want? Like a trestle? Yeah. Yeah. Wait, so you want a trestle table with leaves. So how are you going to do that? That's why I was asking you. I'm going to make it somebody else's problem.
00:46:23
Speaker
So then there would be some kind of mechanism that... So this is my problem with leaves. I mean, I think the whole beautiful thing about a large dining room table is the run of the board. Yeah, I'm bouncing back and forth. I am more inclined to just do a big ass table. Okay, let me come up with an alternative. I think that you could add leaves to the ends
00:46:54
Speaker
without an apron. You could just attach like a channel on the bottom of the top. And then you have a, let's say you have like a, a piece like this, like a, and then you have these two things that slide in there. You're going to use them very rarely, but then when you have them, you have them.
00:47:18
Speaker
And, uh, and you're not ruining, you're not sacrificing the design of the table. Yeah. Other thing is like, okay, so let's say here's where the table's going to go. If I, if I bring it the full size, what am I really losing? Some floor space that I'm never going to use anyway. So I might as well just have a big table. So what I would do is I would put whatever work table, their cardboard box, something 30 inches high, and then cut a piece of cardboard.
00:47:49
Speaker
that you think can be the biggest table. Put that on there and see how it feels. So when we did the, we have I think a 52 inch round table in our kitchen. That's what this space demands. You need to have a round table. So when the kids were little, I think it was maybe a 46 inch round table. So the base is still the same.
00:48:14
Speaker
And then I made a, I told my wife I was going to make a new top for it and she goes, well, I want a 58 inch top. And so, uh,
00:48:26
Speaker
I, she must not have been home or something. So I, I cut a circle out of 58 inches and then, um, I bought it in there, looked at it, you know, just put it on top of the old round table. I was like, this is way too big. So then I cut it down to 52 and, uh, I put it in there and then she came home like at the same time and she goes, that's perfect. What size is it? I said it's 58 inches.
00:48:50
Speaker
So to this day, I think she still thinks it's 58 or 52 or 58 inches and it's perfect. Anything bigger. And meanwhile, a 52 inch table, you can easily fit like eight people around. You can easily fit six and that's what I have in my family. And if the girlfriend's come over and Jack's not there anymore, we can easily fit probably eight's kind of a squeeze, but six is super easy. Round tables are great for that reason.
00:49:21
Speaker
the, uh, the table that I made for a client a couple of years ago, that's 60 and that easily fits, fits eight. That's a, that's a, that's a nice thing about a round table, but obviously you can't do that in this space. Yeah. Yeah. So I have, uh, the, the long wall that it's going against is say 137 inches. So you think it's seven feet? Uh,
00:49:53
Speaker
No, I think I can go bigger than that. If you can do eight? Yeah. Well, I think that's where the cardboard comes into play. Let's see. I'll drop a cabinet in here. We can... What about the width? 96. Stretch it both ways. Come on.
00:50:20
Speaker
Uh, that's 96. Yeah. So how far do we want to be off the wall? 30 inches? No, not 30. I'm going to be, why is the same 14? That's not right. With 96 depth, 42. That's a big table. I think you could go 38.
00:50:52
Speaker
42 is a big table. You think? Well, so I kind of like the energy of a long narrow table. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? So if you look at like some of the shaker tables, they're sort of long and narrow. So what are you going to do? You're not going to have more than one person at the head and the foot of the table.
00:51:20
Speaker
No, no. Right. So you're never going to do that. So you don't really need 42. Wow. Ideally each person has 30 inches. What in front of them? Wait, uh, no, but I'm talking about, uh, I'm talking about across from each other. Yeah. So, I mean, I would look to see how narrow you can get that. Like what is 36 look like? What is, what is, um,
00:51:49
Speaker
What is 96 by 36 look like? That's 36. I would, I mean, I kind of like that. What is this? I'm going to guess it's, I'm going to guess it's 42. Yeah. This is 42 by 84. I think seven feet, a little bit more.
00:52:21
Speaker
No. Yeah. This is 42 by 84. Okay. Seven two. Is that what that is? Seven two. Seven, seven feet by three and a half. All right. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Um, yeah. I mean, that's my, that's my two cents. I think long and narrow looks more elegant. Like I always say that, you know, it's amazing what an inch or an eighth of an inch
00:52:51
Speaker
Yeah. The difference it'll make. I think functionality wise though, you think about like a holiday where you have a bunch of people at a table and you have a, you know, let's say this is a plate. You put another one there. You need room between for all the stuff, you know? Yeah, I guess you're right. I guess you're right. I still, I still like the narrow look. I mean, I just, Oh yeah. I mean looks for sure, but, um, and you're going to taper the bottom. Yeah, that's the idea. Big undercut. So trust Tressle.
00:53:21
Speaker
So like five quarter, six quarter top, tapered. Probably five quarters, because I have it, yeah. Churry? Yep. Yeah, that'll look nice. Yeah. If I made you a table, my wife would like destroy me. I could not make me a table, I was just kidding. No, but I'm just saying, because my wife is like, can you think you could make a table by Thanksgiving? Yeah, no problem. I know I can, but I just like. I'll make your table, you make mine.
00:53:51
Speaker
She wants a walnut table. Or you make my table and then it's in your house for Thanksgiving. And then you say, Oh yeah, this is actually Jeff's. So you're definitely going to go with Charlie. Yeah. Nice. What are you going to finish it with? Um, I'll probably do some type of oil. And then I'm thinking about trying out the Enduro conversion varnish. Okay. Supposed to be really tough.
00:54:17
Speaker
I'd tell you that the kitchen table we have, like I said, it's cherry. And I finished it with, I believe it was Minwax, but it could have been another brand, polyurethane, oil-based polyurethane for the floor. And it's bulletproof. Yeah, if it can go on the floor. That was the whole logic. Right. I was like, okay.
00:54:41
Speaker
It can go on the floor. It can go on the table. The only thing that you see on it because it's cherry and it's actually kind of nice is all like the, some of the homework, some of the tic-tac-toe games that you know what I mean? Um, and I, I could send that off. I wouldn't send it off, but I could always add it. If there's scratches, I can always add, uh, I can always lightly sand it and just put another coat of poly on it.
00:55:07
Speaker
Yeah. So I have to, I have to finish a table by thing. I have to finish the kitchen by Thanksgiving. Are you going to have your table done too by then? That's the idea. Well, that's a video if you want to do that. Yeah. Anyway, so that's what's going on with me. I'm starting that veneer project. I actually was ready to start putting the veneer on today. I decided to make another video. I feel like, you know what, I'm just going to,
00:55:36
Speaker
make a ton of veneer videos because that's what I'm doing. So I wasn't going to make, I wasn't going to post a video this Sunday, but then I thought, okay, these are all the tools that I need to make veneer. And a lot of them you don't really think of like just a long straight edge for cutting the veneer. So I thought, okay, I'm just going to make a video on every tool that you need. You have like a heavy one. I have a, an aluminum bar.
00:56:03
Speaker
quarter inch by two inch by eight feet long. I use it all the time. That's what I use to make all my rips. Let's just call them rips with a razor knife. Then everything else, all the crosscuts are done with a framing square, but there's just little things like
00:56:23
Speaker
I'll use veneer over a few days. And so there's no such thing as washing a brush or a roller when you're using contact cement. So I, um, I, I make like a lid with tin foil to go over the pan and you can re you can use that for days and days and days, you know, as long as you kind of keep that sealed. And so just, I figured I'll make a video about this and then, uh,
00:56:50
Speaker
And that hopefully will give me enough time for Brian to make the plans. And then maybe I can post a project video a week from this Sunday. Nice. We'll see what happens. So that's what I'll be doing for Sunday. Again, I'm on the schedule now. We're, we're posting the today's craftsmen videos every Saturday at eight 30 and I'm posting my videos every Sunday at eight 30. Nice. And it's a, it's good. It seems like it's kicked up my channel a little bit. I don't know.
00:57:21
Speaker
It's, and it's nice to add another piece of furniture to, to the, uh, let's call it portfolio, even though this isn't my, um, this isn't my design. I'm calling it inspired by, I am changing it a little bit. Yeah. And you know, you'll show people how to do it. So they may have seen it, but they don't know how to do it. So, well, that's, I might as well just say what it is. I think I might've already, it's the Marfa chair. It's a John Donald Judd's Marfa chair.
00:57:47
Speaker
It's really simple to make. Yeah. We talked about it a while back. I'm not sure you said that that you told me, but I don't think you talked about it on the podcast. It's really simple, but it's, um, it looks really cool. And, uh, and I, and there's really no good videos on it. Cause I was like, Oh, I'll look it up. You know, I could barely find a good post on it. So we'll see how it does. Yeah, that's cool. Well, what do you think you want to wrap this one up? Yeah, it's getting late. Cool. Um,
00:58:17
Speaker
Yeah, I guess we're going to end it like we always do. Let's hope that it records it. Looks like it did. See you next week. See you. If you enjoyed this episode, please tell a friend or share it on social media. You can leave a review of this podcast on Spotify or Apple podcasts. And don't forget, today's Craftsman YouTube channel has an upload every Saturday morning at 8.30 AM Eastern. We'll see you next week.
00:58:59
Speaker
Lost in the cold name Sunday. Ain't no shame but there's been a change.