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SIPA Paranormal Chronicles S1 E8 - Keith Linder, The Bothell Hell House
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In this week's episode we are delighted to talk to Keith Linder, Author and Poltergeist Target
Keith experienced three years of Poltergeist activity in his house in Seattle Washington, and in his own words, the things they witnessed while living there would change their lives forever.
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Transcript
Intro
Introduction of Hosts and Guest
00:00:12
Lee Hatfield
Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of SIPA Paranormal Chronicles. Once again, I'm with my resident co-host, Megan. Say hello, Megan.
00:00:22
Megan anderson
Hi everyone. Hello.
00:00:24
Lee Hatfield
And today i would like to introduce Keith Linder, who is the author of a couple of books called The Bothel Hell House. Did I say that correct, Keith?
00:00:38
Keith Linder
Yes, correct. Yes.
00:00:40
Lee Hatfield
Awesome. So I'd like you to introduce you to the show, my friend. Thank you very much for your time.
Keith Linder's Background
00:00:46
Keith Linder
Hello. Good morning. Still morning in Seattle, so good morning. Yeah, thanks for having me. Nice to meet you, Megan, as well.
00:00:55
Megan anderson
Nice to meet you.
00:00:57
Keith Linder
Yeah, hello. My name is Keith Linder. I'm an IT specialist, so to speak. Senior program manager. I have been for quite some time. I'm originally from Austin, Texas, now living residing good old Seattle, Washington.
00:01:15
Keith Linder
Moved here 2005, obtained a job at Microsoft.
00:01:18
Lee Hatfield
Bye.
00:01:21
Keith Linder
Was there for a few years, worked on a lot of the, on the back end, the Xbox 360 and the launch of that.
00:01:37
Keith Linder
software. My hobbies are reading, writing, fishing, wine tasting.
00:01:55
Lee Hatfield
Accidentally. I like it how you put it like that.
00:01:56
Megan anderson
Yeah.
00:01:59
Keith Linder
Yeah, I hope I'm out there purposely.
First Paranormal Experiences
00:02:04
Lee Hatfield
So, so yeah, so Keith, obviously our paths have crossed in the past when I've listened to one of your your lectures on the Bothell Hell House.
00:02:04
Keith Linder
Not the house I had.
00:02:15
Lee Hatfield
So can you please go into detail on how it how you became to buy the house and how you then moved in and the first kind of activity that you experienced, please?
00:02:28
Keith Linder
Yeah, so me and my girlfriend Tina had been a couple, but living in separate places. We'd been together two years already.
00:02:52
Keith Linder
And lo and behold, this beautiful house emerged.
00:02:57
Keith Linder
unit, dwelling unit, two-story home, about 2,300 square feet. And so it just seemed like the perfect time to maybe, i mean, take our relationship to the next level, if you will.
00:03:10
Keith Linder
And we both fell in love with the house. We toured it. we We met with the homeowner. And we put our bid for it. There were other people bidding for the same house. And we were glad we won.
00:03:22
Keith Linder
I was ecstatic that we won. I had just been promoted to a manager role at a new healthcare company. So I was going out on two limbs. My girlfriend has started a new position with a new company.
00:03:45
Keith Linder
And tell people, like said, explain in my book Of course we didn't know it at the time, but we began experiencing activity on day one.
00:03:56
Keith Linder
And by day one I mean, you know, you buy house, you move in the first day, get the keys and signed papers and all that stuff. Sort of running on a a house high.
00:04:06
Keith Linder
We were very house high.
00:04:07
Lee Hatfield
four nine
00:04:08
Keith Linder
We were excited. It's May, it's spring. Beautiful outside, the birds are chirping. And the homeowner gives us the keys and a bottle of wine.
00:04:17
Lee Hatfield
guess I'm not a person who's in it.
00:04:17
Keith Linder
Eventually he leaves. That's showing us all the rooms again and stuff like that.
00:04:19
Lee Hatfield
I like things just right.
00:04:22
Keith Linder
oh
00:04:22
Lee Hatfield
That's why Brighton's home recommendations.
00:04:23
Keith Linder
But full disclosure, we have no kids.
00:04:25
Lee Hatfield
And love Brighton's home recommendations.
00:04:26
Keith Linder
We have no pets.
00:04:27
Lee Hatfield
A home that's just right.
00:04:27
Keith Linder
It's just us two in a big house.
00:04:29
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:04:30
Keith Linder
And it's empty.
00:04:32
Lee Hatfield
I had the worst dream last night.
00:04:32
Keith Linder
The power's not even on yet. So we reside in the living room downstairs.
00:04:34
Lee Hatfield
You were in a car crash and the kids and I were on our own. That's awful.
00:04:37
Keith Linder
We're just talking about what going to do with the house and stuff.
00:04:38
Lee Hatfield
I really was saying you got life insurance from Ethos and you got $2 million of coverage online.
00:04:41
Keith Linder
And kid you not, all of a sudden, in the middle of me and Tina's conversation, we're sitting on the floor, let's go for it.
00:04:43
Lee Hatfield
Life insurance made easy. Check your price today at ethos.com. I love it.
00:04:48
Keith Linder
We're just talking and we heard a kid call. it was very loud. It paused our conversation because, number one, we were almost in the home or we thought we were.
00:05:01
Keith Linder
And then we looked at each other like, was that a kid call?
00:05:06
Lee Hatfield
that's ten
00:05:06
Keith Linder
And kid calls, like all other stuff, it's very distinct.
00:05:08
Lee Hatfield
um
00:05:09
Keith Linder
There's adult calls, there's male calls, women calls, kid with kid calls.
00:05:13
Lee Hatfield
don don't think
00:05:16
Keith Linder
oh
00:05:17
Lee Hatfield
actually
00:05:18
Keith Linder
And it sounded like came from one of the rooms upstairs. However, we didn't get up investigate.
00:05:21
Lee Hatfield
go
00:05:24
Keith Linder
We didn't, we weren't screening ghosts or Casper or anything. Because we thought when all the windows closed in the home, even with that, the noise had to have come from outside.
00:05:35
Keith Linder
There's obviously no kid now.
00:05:35
Megan anderson
right.
00:05:36
Lee Hatfield
plas are working
00:05:37
Keith Linder
All right. And we just ignored it. It shrugged off. It sounded like a kid called, but okay, whatever.
Escalation of Haunting Events
00:05:46
Keith Linder
A few weeks after that, now we're moving in. Now we're movers of bringing stuff in We're bringing stuff in.
00:05:52
Keith Linder
And now we're living in the home. So i would I immediately began noticing items missing.
00:06:00
Lee Hatfield
get <unk>
00:06:01
Keith Linder
but By that I mean my, you know, there's the key fob I use every day for my car.
00:06:06
Lee Hatfield
severe diarrbianoia or vo
00:06:07
Keith Linder
And there's spare that I never use that I keep somewhere tucked away.
00:06:12
Lee Hatfield
and
00:06:12
Keith Linder
And I remember one day going to retrieve another item. And I noticed my key fob that I never used was gone. Gone. And I thought that was weird because this is not something I gave the movers. This is something i I walked over to the home in a glove box or whatever.
00:06:28
Keith Linder
And I never used it. One thing about living by yourself for so long, you never lose stuff when you live by yourself because it's just you, right? I'm not one of those guys. I put something somewhere. know where it's at all the time. I'm very habit-forming.
00:06:42
Keith Linder
I put stuff in the same place as always. So I was very disappointed in myself that this item was missing I'm like, how did you mess that up?
00:06:52
Keith Linder
And then Tina comes to me few days later about missing jewelry. Hey, you see my hair ring. Hey, you see my bracelet.
00:06:57
Lee Hatfield
big
00:06:58
Keith Linder
I'm like, no, I didn't even know these things existed until you told me. And so once again, we thought, okay, it's moving. Things get shuffled around. they're eventually going to pop up, you know, and whatnot. But they never did.
00:07:16
Keith Linder
then we started noticing in the midst of that, Things that we didn't own appearing. And by that I mean kid toys. And by I say kid toys, I mean when I said appearing, appearing on the staircase, coffee table, kitchen counter, bathroom counter, hallway, little boy kid car toys, little girl kid toys.
00:07:44
Megan anderson
Yeah.
00:07:45
Keith Linder
And they're always displayed out in the open. These are not things that you would find when you move into new home, unless you moved a large appliance. So, you know, the artists fell back there behind the refrigerator years ago nobody ever went to receive it. No, these are things out in the open.
00:08:00
Keith Linder
So we're like, is somebody coming in while we're asleep, battling our property with kid toys? Cause that, that ain't gonna work. You know?
00:08:12
Megan anderson
but yeah
00:08:12
Keith Linder
And so we thought for a while, okay, It's a prank, but that's a little bit bridged too far around my end of a prank. you know but Not having anything to go on, I got this security system installed for Tina's sake, for her peace of mind and mine. Because we always saw these kids twice in the morning, the morning hours.
00:08:33
Keith Linder
So I got a security system, a house monitoring to arm the house while we go to sleep to prevent that. But that didn't slow it down. Okay, then it became more weird. Like, okay, even if The idea, like I tell you, some of the ideas we had was somebody coming through the hole in the floor, you know, coming through the, you know, just all these things or the vent or how they getting in here.
00:08:57
Keith Linder
it wasn't making sense to that level. And then waking up, finding all the kitchen cupboards open, you know, all of up, down, closet door in the kitchen, just wide just nothing missing, nothing missing.
00:09:13
Keith Linder
pulled out or taken out as I later learned in other Portuguese cases, but they're all neatly wide open. They go da da da around the whole kitchen. You don't have to get your cabinets all right. That's just weird.
00:09:27
Keith Linder
But believe or not, we're not screaming ghosts yet.
00:09:28
Lee Hatfield
For sure.
00:09:30
Keith Linder
We are not pulling that ghost card yet.
00:09:35
Keith Linder
Until one day, when we finally had to pull the ghost card, was they were watching TV downstairs. shoulder to shoulder. And I remember when Tina moved in, she moved in this four foot tall plant, artificial plant that we set by the entertainment center, Kate Missick.
00:09:55
Keith Linder
And we're just watching TV. And I'm so glad Tina was with me when I saw this and vice versa. And that's one of the, I guess, interesting things about this case. We witnessed a lot of phenomena together versus, hey, let me tell you what, I saw where you were going. No, we witnessed a lot of phenomena together.
00:10:14
Keith Linder
uh and this being the first one when the plant darted up and did a spin and fell to the ground in our direction felt toward us just out the blue there's no rhyme or reason or anything like all cue or something and we like eyes wide like did that just happen no earthquake no tremor no you I know Washington is an earthquake zone state, but nothing else whatsoever.
00:10:48
Keith Linder
And we looked at each other first, then we walked toward the plane. Once again, not screaming ghosts yet. We start rummaging through the leaves because we thought, this has got to be a joke. This has got to a remote control.
00:11:03
Keith Linder
This is before drone technology. something but Somebody did something. And so we thought we were on some... I guess, Big Brother TV show where somebody's monitoring us.
00:11:13
Megan anderson
Thank you.
00:11:15
Keith Linder
Okay, sooner or less, somebody's gonna walk out the closet and balloons are gonna fly, confetti's gonna fly. And like, ha ha, you guys are all da da da TV show. You know, but that didn't happen.
00:11:28
Keith Linder
And when that didn't happen, then a little, I mean, an ounce of dread fell on me because then I like, I think we got a ghost.
00:11:38
Lee Hatfield
Oh, for sure. Yeah. It's not like, yeah, I think my mind be blown by that point.
00:11:41
Keith Linder
yeah
00:11:44
Keith Linder
Yeah, I think now it's starting to, okay. and and And that's when I died. I'm like, okay. Because now we're like six weeks in. I'm like, okay, that kid coughed.
00:11:57
Keith Linder
But we didn't know. what How did you tell you have a ghost in your home? Because we had no experience of breast with the paranormal prior to this.
00:12:06
Megan anderson
Mm-hmm.
00:12:06
Keith Linder
We had no knowledge of it. We never watched a lot of paranormal shows. I watch a scary movie every now and then, but those are scary movies. They're not paranormal. So we had no IQ of what paranormal is or was.
00:12:21
Keith Linder
we went to the internet in my office and we typed in, how can you tell your house is home? I mean, there's going to be website out there. How can you tell?
00:12:28
Lee Hatfield
Did they put a picture of your house up, Keith?
00:12:28
Keith Linder
That's
00:12:31
Lee Hatfield
but so
00:12:32
Keith Linder
probably it now. Yeah.
00:12:34
Megan anderson
Hahahaha!
00:12:34
Keith Linder
Yeah.
00:12:36
Megan anderson
yeah
00:12:37
Keith Linder
yeah my house is probably thell of the the jpe picture now But oh when we went to the internet and the internet was very informative because it says missing items.
00:12:51
Keith Linder
so These are the top five, top ten things you can tell your a house about. Missing items. Rearranged items. Items appearing that neither one of you own. Strange noises.
00:13:04
Keith Linder
Okay. Waking up finding all your kitchen cabinet doors open. And if he even said kid cough, you know, and so we're like, oh, but, you know, there's two ways to look at a haunted house.
00:13:18
Keith Linder
You can look at it as Amityville, or you can look at it as Casper the Friendly Ghost. Okay? And up until that time, we're like, oh, kid cough.
00:13:28
Megan anderson
yeah
00:13:30
Keith Linder
it's a kid ghost. Okay, kid ghost. All right. What do you do? who type How do you handle a kid ghost? And the internet, like said, well, you'd be very nice, be very gingerly, motherly, fatherly, put on a parental role.
00:13:47
Keith Linder
It does happen. Sometimes maybe a child or something passed away. We don't know. But you want to talk gingerly, too. You want to be, you know, hey, how you doing? Stop that.
00:14:00
Keith Linder
Go into the light. be it peace and all that stuff. And so we tried all those things. Because we were like, okay, have a kid, there's a little kid cough. It's interesting.
00:14:11
Keith Linder
It's not frightening now that we know this is what what we have. And don' keep in mind, we don't know where this is going. And all Portuguese, well not all, but most Portuguese cases start out like this.
00:14:21
Keith Linder
You know, there's cases where people, oh, I got candy. Portuguese is going to be candy and chocolate. That's before the fires start, right? And so we thought, okay, kid goes, we can live with a third roommate.
00:14:34
Keith Linder
this is This is as far as it goes. This is it. and And no, of course, that's not. Because after the plant levitated, came the loud bang. o o Boom, boom.
00:14:47
Keith Linder
of nowhere. You'd be having dinner, eating, or watching TV. Boom. And the first time you hear it, me and Tim are always on opposite sides of the house. I'm in my office. She's downstairs watching TV clicking or something.
00:15:00
Megan anderson
Did you ever try to identify any
00:15:00
Keith Linder
And we meet.
Failed Interventions and Witnessed Phenomena
00:15:04
Megan anderson
potential like natural explanation for this occurrence?
00:15:08
Keith Linder
As far as the banging or the.
00:15:11
Megan anderson
Yeah. Yes.
00:15:15
Keith Linder
Well, we heard the loud banging. We rushed to the area that we thought the banging came from.
00:15:20
Megan anderson
Okay.
00:15:20
Keith Linder
And it's always three bangs.
00:15:20
Megan anderson
Okay.
00:15:21
Keith Linder
And there's no more bangs that afternoon. So you like. Waiting for it to give. It doesn't happen again.
00:15:27
Megan anderson
Yeah. Yeah.
00:15:29
Keith Linder
until 24 hours later, 48 hours later, it happens, and then you and then you're like, okay, go to the internet, how do you, about banging, all right, so we're like, hey, kid ghost, stop the banging, that's not nice, you're trying to sleep, something like that, and then so few days later, that might work, and then one day, plant goes flying across the room, you know, and then we're like,
00:15:39
Megan anderson
Yeah. Yep. Yep. Mm-hmm.
00:15:46
Megan anderson
yeah yeah
00:15:57
Megan anderson
while
00:15:59
Keith Linder
First time you hear, you don't know what it is until you go and see it. You see a plant obliterated on the floor, of dirt and everywhere. You're like, oh, the plant was over there. How did it get over here? And then, well, flying objects. like, hey, kid comes.
00:16:13
Keith Linder
Cut it out. Go into the light. Be nice. Now I'm starting to think little bit differently because none of the things we're trying is working.
00:16:26
Keith Linder
And it seems... We're the only ones being nice here, okay?
00:16:30
Megan anderson
Right. Yes. right
00:16:33
Keith Linder
We have to clean up the mess. We have to respond to the loud banging. with It's very inconvenient to clean up broken pottery, dirt and stuff and vacuums and all that.
00:16:45
Lee Hatfield
We have a fight.
00:16:45
Megan anderson
yeah
00:16:47
Keith Linder
And it seems like somebody is throwing these things to get a rise out of us or to watch us do cleanup. And so I'm getting a little bit frustrated. Like, I'm getting a little bit more forceful in my, hey, cut that out.
00:17:00
Keith Linder
You know, and I advise them, that's the direction they want you to go in.
00:17:06
Megan anderson
Mm-hmm.
00:17:06
Keith Linder
And so they know what they're doing. We don't know what they're doing, but they know what they're doing. And at the same time, I'm branching out of, I'm not so much being trustworthy to the websites anymore because they're starting to get things wrong.
00:17:19
Keith Linder
So I'm like, what are the next steps? Well, you want have your house? blessed you want somebody in and come in there bless the and we did, we called churches and they came in and left the house.
00:17:31
Keith Linder
And that would quiet things down for a couple of days. and Then it would be right back to
00:17:41
Keith Linder
Then, well, you want to smudge. You want to do this and all that. And those things we did and tried. It fell miserably at because the activity always ratcheted up.
00:17:53
Lee Hatfield
Did you get any professional advice with regard to the smudging or did you just read up on it and then do it yourself?
00:18:02
Keith Linder
do the mess up And let me tell you, is I think I wrote this in in and in the Bothell Hill House. A co-worker advised me to smudge a sage.
00:18:15
Keith Linder
And I found a store, a botanical store, deep in the Palace of Seattle that where could buy sage. didn't know sage was. I knew the sage cooked with, but that's all I did. So I went and bought a sage stick, a long,
00:18:29
Keith Linder
It didn't come with instructions. But I was happy. I was so happy to try anything because wanted to try it out. And then I went home. Tina wasn't home yet. She get home from work yet.
00:18:42
Keith Linder
And i went and I bought a lighter. And the first few times I'm lighting it, but it's not igniting or whatever. So I've been frustrated. And then it's lighting and it's smothering. And I don't know to do.
00:18:52
Keith Linder
So like, okay, well, it looks like a wand. Let me just go around and do this. And I kid you not,
00:19:06
Keith Linder
I'm saying it very peacefully. Leave, be at peace. And I started in the farthest room working my way to the front door. figured whatever's in here, got to start at the end of the house so they have no refuge.
00:19:18
Keith Linder
And as each room, I go through each room, I'm corralling them out the door.
00:19:19
Megan anderson
Mm-hmm.
00:19:25
Keith Linder
Well, the two things I know I did wrong was I didn't have any windows open, which I learned you're supposed to have windows open. And number two, I did it alone, which is very dangerous to do.
00:19:36
Keith Linder
oh And so as I got out of my master bedroom and got to the landing, I didn't know what this was working or not.
00:19:44
Lee Hatfield
Wow.
00:19:45
Keith Linder
Is there some sort of sign I get? But the sign that I got was not what I wanted because as soon as I got to the landing where I could see him at front door I kid you not, the front door opened wide went, shoo, and slammed shut. sho And I was like, that was probably the one of the first two, probably the second animations I've seen, or men or manifestation, other than the plant levitating, other than the bangs and whatnot of it physical, because that door opened by itself and slammed shut.
00:20:02
Lee Hatfield
well look
00:20:16
Megan anderson
Wow.
00:20:17
Keith Linder
And I was like, does that mean it just left?
00:20:22
Lee Hatfield
Hopefully.
00:20:23
Keith Linder
You know.
00:20:25
Lee Hatfield
Hopefully.
00:20:25
Megan anderson
Oh, yeah, like so
00:20:27
Keith Linder
Well, here's the deal, because Tina hasn't come home yet. And once I saw the door, I was like, oh, it left. That's it. And then I stopped saving.
00:20:35
Lee Hatfield
if
00:20:37
Keith Linder
And then Tina came home, and I told her the story, and she was like, oh, right. And then, like said, a few days later, I had Tina doing nothing. But a few days later, the plants started being thrown again, the loud banging.
00:20:52
Keith Linder
And we told our friends and we had friends come over. it just Interesting thing about our case is we would have friends over for dinner and they would witness phenomena with their own eyes.
00:21:02
Lee Hatfield
Wow.
00:21:06
Lee Hatfield
and they'll
00:21:07
Keith Linder
By that I mean some of my friends' co-workers, I watch Monday Night Football, saw the plants be thrown across the street.
00:21:07
Megan anderson
Wow.
00:21:16
Lee Hatfield
wow
00:21:16
Keith Linder
a Some of them heard the loud bang. There's a chapter in my book but we're called the housewarming party where we had friends of Tina's and mine over, couples, and all the women
00:21:39
Keith Linder
Okay? All the women experienced hair being pulled. Everybody knew our housewarming. Nobody came in underwear, but everybody like, you guys didn't have it, whatever.
00:21:51
Keith Linder
But, so we told everybody, but they said, oh, somebody just put my hair. Or they had a shoulder thump, shoulder tap.
00:22:03
Keith Linder
And they had to let me in. It became a joke so much that why is Keith getting locked out of his own house? Because it was funny. And I knew, looked at Tina, like, you know.
00:22:14
Keith Linder
Well, finally, when most of the people left around 2 a.m., there's only two people left in the home, Tina's best friend or her best friend's mother. Me and Tina are playing cleanup. We're cleaning up the it down. And Tina's friend, Kim, is on the couch. And she witnesses, because she's in a better peripheral than we are, a plant goes from left to right across her eyesight.
00:22:40
Keith Linder
She saw the whole thing. heard it song peripheral spun around. Tina heard the noise and Kim's mom heard the noise. And sure enough, a plan hit the hit a wall, obliterated.
00:22:52
Keith Linder
in Kim had heard Tina's stories, but like said, seeing is believing. And what she saw with her own eyes, she was now Team Keith, Team Tina.
00:23:03
Keith Linder
Because she was like, well, you told me your house was haunted, you told it was that haunted. And we're like, we told you stuff goes flying here.
00:23:08
Megan anderson
Thank you.
00:23:12
Keith Linder
And her mom, being from Florida, from L.A., but originally from New Orleans, very spiritual, said, oh, okay. And she advised us all to go to the other room.
00:23:27
Keith Linder
watch How long have y'all been having this problem? She said, well, since day one. And she said, well, we're all going to go to the other room where the plant was thrown. We're all going to pray. We're all going to circle, hold hands, and going to pray.
00:23:41
Keith Linder
Together i' going to play individually. He Tina says, y'all the occupants of the home. Y'all go first. And what y'all want? Y'all need to pray. When you pray, you need to pray what you want the spirits to do.
00:23:53
Keith Linder
You need to be very firm and resound and honest in what you want them to do.
00:23:53
Megan anderson
Mm-hmm.
00:24:01
Keith Linder
And Tina's like, you know, just semi-crime. I just want y'all to leave the house. I want y'all to, you know, get out. And I'm the same way. I'm like, we're just on time to leave. And, you know, this is a home.
00:24:13
Keith Linder
We're going to make it a good home. for whatever bad experience you had prior to us coming. But we're not like that. So we did all that. Kim prayed. Kim's mom prayed. Then we all did a prayer together.
00:24:25
Keith Linder
it was the Lord's Prayer. And then whole thing took two about five minutes. And then we waltzed back into kitchen, which is a few feet away.
00:24:35
Megan anderson
Mm-hmm.
00:24:35
Keith Linder
And I kid you not.
00:24:36
Megan anderson
Mm-hmm.
00:24:37
Keith Linder
As soon as you turn the corner, every kitchen cabinet door was wide open. Every drawer was pulled out. Every closet door was wide open.
00:24:50
Keith Linder
And I remember the first thing I did, because Ken's mom, very elderly, very senior, very elderly, she's like a Yoda to me. And I looked at her because I wanted to catch her face expression.
00:25:03
Lee Hatfield
Oh, 100%. Yeah.
00:25:05
Keith Linder
And I looked at her, like her face especially told me where her mouth dropped open. Because there's believing, and there's believing.
00:25:16
Lee Hatfield
With a capital B.
00:25:17
Megan anderson
Yes.
00:25:18
Keith Linder
Okay? And she had I knew she was sincere in believing our story. knew she was sincere in trying to offer us a remedy. But when she saw that, she was like, mouth dropped open. She said, I have never seen that.
00:25:35
Lee Hatfield
Oh, wow, that's crazy.
00:25:36
Keith Linder
that's
00:25:36
Megan anderson
wow
00:25:37
Keith Linder
and She thought I could only imagine a ride home with her and her daughter about what's in store for Keith and Tila.
00:25:47
Keith Linder
I did not sense from her that this was going to end well.
00:25:56
Megan anderson
and
00:25:57
Keith Linder
You know?
00:25:58
Lee Hatfield
Oh, for sure.
00:25:58
Keith Linder
The doctor operates on you and he's like, he looks at his nurse and what?
00:26:06
Keith Linder
we'll do what we're doing, but you know it's and I remember that and that haunted me when I saw her face
00:26:14
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Keith, would you say that the you mentioned in the kitchen a few times, would you say that the kitchen was the most popular location where the activity was?
Identification of Active Areas in the House
00:26:24
Keith Linder
No, no, the kitchen not even closed. I can tell you the most popular, you can say that, or the most active room in the house was My office.
00:26:38
Keith Linder
Second place to that was the hallway. Third place was that would be the master bedroom. And you think about it, it sort of makes sense because these are the areas that we are in the most of the time.
00:26:51
Keith Linder
When I'm home on my day-to-day day, I'm mostly in my office. Kitchen is only for transitory purposes and eating and whatnot. Now, we do have a lot of activity in the kitchen.
00:27:03
Keith Linder
If you've seen the photos from the books and the all online. Had a lot activity the kitchen. Most of it, though, we were not home, though, thank God.
00:27:10
Lee Hatfield
okay
00:27:11
Keith Linder
But when phenomena erupted, my office was pretty much ground zero. It is also Central Command. the office My office was my man cave, but was also the place where I did 99% of troubleshooting to rent our house of the activity.
00:27:30
Keith Linder
By that, I mean... I had installed cameras, motion detection cameras throughout the house, but the hub is the office. The computer is the office. The Wi-Fi is it.
00:27:42
Lee Hatfield
So that would kind of seem to me like, yeah, because that's your epicentre, because you' that's where you're doing all your research, they're trying to maybe stop you going into that that room, do you think?
00:27:42
Megan anderson
Thank you.
00:27:53
Keith Linder
but that I haven't said they tried to stop me from going in. They tried to make life hard for me to conduct troubleshooting, to remove them by the equipment manipulation, equipment malfunction, equipment destruction.
00:28:03
Lee Hatfield
Okay.
00:28:09
Keith Linder
Keep mind the first, let me make sure, two fires erupted in the office. The second fire in the bottle hole, not coming to Bible, was the poster catcher fire.
00:28:24
Keith Linder
which did considerable damage to eat electronic equipment. oh A few months after that was another fire where the computer monitors themselves caught the fire.
00:28:36
Keith Linder
they set the monitors by means to review that.
00:28:40
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. And you're a technical guy. So yeah if that was a rational reason for that to catch fire, you should know that, right?
00:28:49
Keith Linder
Well, not only that, but the fire department, because every fire we've had, The fire department responded and they cannot determine root cause of the fire, which is, you know, spontaneous fire as Portuguese, albeit rare, it does happen.
00:28:56
Megan anderson
wow
00:29:01
Keith Linder
The fire is rarely determined as to what causes this. That's what makes it so a unknown and terrifying. Postures don't catch fire. There's no heat source next to a poster, no lamp, nothing.
00:29:12
Lee Hatfield
Correct.
00:29:15
Keith Linder
And that's all the five build the pipe fire department, the fire department, the fire marshal made two visits to the home. to try to determine that. I know I can't tell them the ghost is doing it. So I let them in.
00:29:26
Keith Linder
I want to be proven wrong. Prove me wrong. Me and Tina never knew all the activity that we had. And it's getting worse and worse. We don't know the circumference of the activity.
00:29:38
Keith Linder
We don't know what's the, you know, the most epic activity that's going to happen. Then they're going to start dying. In fact, all we know is it's ratcheting up higher and higher and higher.
00:29:49
Keith Linder
If you'd have told me from the kid conference to the post the fire. I'm like, what?
00:29:55
Lee Hatfield
Oh, yeah.
00:29:55
Keith Linder
No, we don't even know that's even possible. You know, set fires at will? Yeah, it did. Yeah. You know, I wouldn't believe you would have told me, but when you experience it, it comes out the blue.
00:30:07
Keith Linder
It comes on the left field. You're caught unaware.
00:30:09
Megan anderson
Mm-hmm.
00:30:09
Keith Linder
You're sleeping. taking a shower.
00:30:11
Megan anderson
Okay.
00:30:11
Keith Linder
And you've got a fire to deal with, you know. And they always catch you when you're most vulnerable, taking a shower, sleeping.
00:30:19
Keith Linder
So yeah, so so the office was also, and then the hallway. The hallway being that, you've seen the picture, it's where we a lot of times were advised to lay out our religious paraphernalia, the Bible, on the bookshelf, candles, sage stick, and they would just run in there and ransack that hallway, okay?
00:30:42
Keith Linder
Throw things. I hallway's right outside my office, so could be typing on my computer.
00:30:46
Lee Hatfield
every day
00:30:47
Keith Linder
and idols be thrown in the hallway or thrown from the hallway into my office or or vice versa.
00:30:55
Keith Linder
The hallway was also the place where I saw the apparition, the female apparition. Summer 2012 was the first time I saw the
Encounter with Apparition and Tenant History
00:31:05
Keith Linder
Grey Lady. There's a chapter of my book called The Grey Lady.
00:31:09
Keith Linder
And she's called the Grey Lady because she's a Grey Lady. You know, this is about July, August 2012. and two thousand and twelve I'm typing in my office on my computer.
00:31:22
Keith Linder
We know our house is haunted at this time, but it's not. Up until this stage, it's just been the loud banging and the occasional flower pot being thrown. And lights going off at all by themselves.
00:31:35
Keith Linder
And Tina's taking a bubble bath. So I'm typing and all of a sudden I hear it click. As soon as I hear it click, my lights go off. Click, lights off. I'm go sitting in the dark. So I turned toward the doorway, like anybody would, because that's where the light switch is, by the doorway. I'm thinking, I'm going to see Tina.
00:31:54
Keith Linder
Now, and Tina have made an agreement, because we live in a haunted house, that we are not going to play practical jokes on each other. Okay?
00:32:04
Megan anderson
Right.
00:32:05
Keith Linder
We don't need to play practical jokes on each other. We got a full-time whatever doing it.
00:32:09
Megan anderson
Yeah. Yeah.
00:32:12
Keith Linder
So to question, of the door thinking Tina was going to be there. And i was very tradmonished her like, Tina, we're not going to be doing jokes like that. And I said, this would be perfect for a movie because soon as I turned toward the door, there's a woman standing there that's not Tina.
00:32:32
Megan anderson
a
00:32:32
Keith Linder
OK? So dial it back in a minute. Think about it. There's only two people living in the house with Or, yeah.
00:32:38
Megan anderson
yeah
00:32:40
Keith Linder
And your significant other, you know where they are around the house. You know how they look. And you turn towards the direction expecting to see them. All right?
00:32:51
Keith Linder
And it's not there. There's another woman standing at my door, plain as day. She's 100% gray. And my mom, I'm like, I don't know what to do because I'm like, what? what
00:33:06
Megan anderson
yeah
00:33:07
Lee Hatfield
and
00:33:07
Keith Linder
Because this hasn't happened before. This is new. And the woman and I, as soon as I look at her, she turns sideways and she tries to go to the room, to the left of my room, to the door, which is the washroom.
00:33:24
Keith Linder
She's not trying to open the door to go in like you and I would. She's trying to go through the door. Okay? And she can't disappear. She can't fade in and out. She can't disappear fully through the door. She can go ahead.
00:33:39
Keith Linder
very stilted like but forceful repelling her or something. Weirdest thing ever that you see. And this happened all so fast. And the fact she just gives it back to me and darts down the hallway.
00:33:51
Keith Linder
I still don't know what I'm looking at.
00:33:52
Lee Hatfield
Wow.
00:33:54
Keith Linder
i give chase. I'm more running on instinct than anything. i don't know what I just saw.
00:33:57
Lee Hatfield
Oh, yeah.
00:33:59
Megan anderson
Yeah.
00:34:00
Keith Linder
Okay. I get up thinking, you and my brain's like, hey, somebody came through the front door or and made it all way up to your bedroom and turned light off, you're going to see them go out the door when you turn the corner.
00:34:11
Keith Linder
That's that what my brain's hoping happens.
00:34:14
Megan anderson
Yeah.
00:34:15
Keith Linder
Okay. But no, I turned the corner, gone. Nothing, gone. All right. Nobody's, no noise in the front door, nothing.
00:34:26
Keith Linder
So I then go into the master bedroom and veer right and go, and I'm not looking for Tina them to see, was it Tina? I know it wasn't Tina.
00:34:35
Megan anderson
Wow.
00:34:35
Keith Linder
Okay? I want to tell Tina what I just saw.
00:34:40
Keith Linder
So I come to Tina and she's in the bathtub taking a moment. I'm like, Tina, I didn't saw it. And Tina's like, saw what? And I'm like, it, I just saw it.
00:34:40
Lee Hatfield
oh yeah.
00:34:54
Keith Linder
Because up until now, me and Tina have heard noises, kitchen cabinet doors, toys, and all this stuff all that phenomena. But we never had no pun intended. We never had a face to the phenomenon.
00:35:07
Keith Linder
Okay? We never had a mascot, if you will, something we'd be like, hey, you know, you can say there's still there's still hope of a little bit of plausibility explanation.
00:35:11
Megan anderson
Yeah. Yeah.
00:35:19
Megan anderson
Yeah. No.
00:35:20
Keith Linder
Okay? It'd be hard to, but you can still convince me. oh Ain't no convincing that.
00:35:29
Lee Hatfield
No, 100%. hundred percent
00:35:30
Keith Linder
Ain't no convincing. I said, yeah, I saw it. I said she was great. in She was not translucent. She was full body. She was solid.
00:35:42
Keith Linder
When she walked, she made the tap. You know, she was hovering.
00:35:46
Megan anderson
Wow.
00:35:49
Keith Linder
She walked like you and I walked. The physics that apply to you and I when we're walking and navigating the hallway applied to her.
00:35:55
Megan anderson
wow
00:35:56
Keith Linder
I heard her noise. you know but the And I was just blown away. Now, it would another year and a half, almost two years before I saw that exact apparition again.
00:36:09
Megan anderson
wow
00:36:09
Keith Linder
But this time she was all white. Okay? And there's multiple theories. have some of my own of why she went from gray to white.
00:36:22
Keith Linder
Full body. And then to make it even more interesting, you guys are going to love this, is The both apparitions, the three times that I saw her, two times in the hallway, the first time I saw her was before 2012. The second time I saw her was September 2014.
00:36:45
Keith Linder
Between those two times, I had not made contact with the previous tenants yet, especially in 2012. I would not contact the previous tenants who lived in the house a few years before we did,
00:36:58
Keith Linder
two thousand eight two thousand nine until August of 2014. When I found out from the previous tenants that they had activity themselves, 2008, 2009 when they lived in home, and then I met the mother who I contacted online, the apparitions that I saw looked like her.
00:37:20
Megan anderson
Wow.
00:37:25
Keith Linder
Okay. I didn't tell her that. But what she told me when I contacted her, because her family moved out of the house in 2009, she said the house was a living hell for them.
00:37:39
Keith Linder
She said she tried to commit suicide three times in the house.
00:37:44
Lee Hatfield
wow
00:37:45
Megan anderson
wow
00:37:45
Keith Linder
She said she was depressed in the house. She said she was raped in the house. She said her husband was an Alaskan fisherman, so he was going all the time And she was there with the three kids.
00:38:01
Keith Linder
The youngest son's room was my office. She said, he had a weird, rare case of meningitis that he had almost died. Seattle Children's Hospital was, he almost died several times being treated at Seattle Children's Hospital.
00:38:19
Keith Linder
She told me, I haven't went public with Tina with this yet, because I was seeing her too. She said, The youngest son, one who had been a dentist, saw shadowy figures out the corner of of his eyes, and he still sees them today.
Former Tenants' Tragedies
00:38:37
Keith Linder
In 2014, when they let them down. And i said, well what what room was he in?
00:38:40
Megan anderson
Mm-hmm.
00:38:44
Keith Linder
And it was my office. And at that time, i started seeing the shadowy figures hover outside my office, but I didn't tell Tina, because I didn't want to spook her, and I didn't know what to make of it.
00:38:55
Keith Linder
But she confirmed that to me. And then she said, the house destroyed our marriage. And it did because they had gotten divorced. And had just gotten back together by the time I contacted them.
00:39:07
Keith Linder
She was very spooky and it thought it was as ri that you contacted me now me and my husband just got back together. And the house broke us up.
00:39:20
Keith Linder
But she told me the kitchen cabinet, they woke up with the kitchen cabinet doors open all the time. They had pretty padded footsteps, electrical issues, shadowy features.
00:39:31
Megan anderson
wow
00:39:32
Keith Linder
The TV stations were turned by themselves. They had a live-in nanny. said said ah to They were out of town and it was just a nanny and the kids. she said the man heard loud banging and loud noises and when she went downstairs to investigate she saw all the cabinet doors wide open and mainly took all three kids and drove to Yakama Waxham which I've been to Yakama Waxham it's about three hour drive and she drove over there and now this 2012-14 I'm in the house and I'm seeing this apparition especially the second time and I'm like her name was Rhonda and I'm like that's Rhonda that's her
00:40:00
Lee Hatfield
Chase.
00:40:16
Keith Linder
You know, face everything. And it to like I said, true story, Rhonda successfully committed suicide September of 2016.
00:40:22
Megan anderson
Thank you.
00:40:27
Keith Linder
She walked into a moving train in Montana.
00:40:33
Keith Linder
all those you But she said she never recovered from that baffle house. She said something about that house. It was like a gray cloud formed above it and it destroyed her family. And we had maintained contact cause I would check in on her.
00:40:45
Keith Linder
She was still somewhat depressed, but she was getting better. But she had had four suicide tips in the home that I was able to verify. And I put those reports in my second book, The Attachments, which is of Washington State, of the police response, the ambulance response to the house in 2008, 2009.
00:41:04
Megan anderson
Yeah.
00:41:06
Keith Linder
And what they wrote when they found when they came to the home. This has nothing to do with Keith and Tina. Keith and Tina weren't even dating me. I didn't mean to do it until 2010. This hell was going on in 2008, 2009.
00:41:18
Keith Linder
two thousand That's why I always tell people You can always Okay. Then about 2008, 2009? You're telling lightning strikes twice?
00:41:37
Megan anderson
Yeah.
00:41:37
Keith Linder
Lightning never strikes the same place twice. Okay.
00:41:40
Megan anderson
Did you ever notice like a pattern of like a certain time or if you were a certain like activity was happening? Did you notice more stuff would occur or like a certain time of day more activity would happen more?
00:41:55
Keith Linder
Yes and no. I noticed, we had activity in 2012, and twelve and the activity we had 2012, compared to the activity 2014, 2015, or night and day, okay?
00:42:03
Megan anderson
Yes.
00:42:12
Megan anderson
Okay. Okay. Yeah.
00:42:13
Keith Linder
You can ask me which one I prefer, would prefer 2012, if had to choose. But 2013, had no activity.
00:42:18
Megan anderson
and
00:42:19
Keith Linder
but two thousand and thirteen we had no activity There was a time, I want people to understand because this is important. There was a time in the home, I was in house four years, where the activity did stop and stopped for about a year and two months.
00:42:34
Lee Hatfield
for the
00:42:34
Keith Linder
It was an abrupt stop. No rhyme or reason, just like when it started. There's hey kids, we're leaving, goodbye. No, it just wakes up one day and you start realizing, oh, it's two months and we haven't had anything.
00:42:46
Keith Linder
Oh, it's three months and we haven't anything. Well,
00:42:48
Megan anderson
Okay.
00:42:49
Keith Linder
When it came back in 2014 and
00:42:56
Keith Linder
stayed longer, yeah, there were certain things that would seem to set it off. And by that I mean, because now me and Tina, we're being controlled.
00:43:05
Lee Hatfield
It's staple. Yep.
00:43:09
Keith Linder
We're we're making up irritable, okay?
00:43:11
Megan anderson
okay
00:43:12
Keith Linder
Sleep deprivation is a, a you know, to this day, is a form of torture. Okay, the military or whatever will tell you and And it's because you're tired and you become aggravated.
00:43:30
Keith Linder
And so we're aggravated and we're tired. And why are we aggravated and tired? Why are we having sleep deprived? Because we're responding to fires. We're responding to loud bangs while we're sleeping.
00:43:39
Megan anderson
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:43:41
Keith Linder
We're responding to, hey cut that out, to sheets being yanked off you, in bed. I have to go out and maintain a daily life of work and Tina, Portuguese guys don't care about that.
00:43:54
Keith Linder
Okay? They're going to torture you whether you sleep or awake. So I'm irritable because I'm at home or, hey Tina, did you call the priest? Did you remind the priest? Oh, I forgot.
00:44:05
Keith Linder
Oh, why'd you forget? Well, I was busy at work. You told me you would do it. I'm busy at work. And now we're, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Alright?
00:44:12
Megan anderson
Yeah.
00:44:14
Keith Linder
And now we're not talking to you though we're mad. She's mad. I'm You know, we're doing this in the house, mentally, mentally. And the portrait guy sees on that. And by that I mean, you'll be sleeping, boom, fire, wall writing, all this stuff, you know.
00:44:32
Keith Linder
They slam the door on Tina and turn the lights off while she's taking a shower. She's like, I got response. I got a little dart. And then what happened?
00:44:41
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:44:41
Keith Linder
What happened? you turned the light on, you know. It's the same thing with me. Tina was away from the house on a poster card fire and I was in the house by myself. Well, I couldn't get out the house because the door was like, all of a sudden the lock wouldn't work. I couldn't get out my own house.
00:44:54
Keith Linder
The door was like something was holding me in. Okay, I had call 911 and call her, turn back around, the house is under attack.
Theories and Patterns of Haunting
00:45:01
Keith Linder
So certain things seem to trigger the activity, but the baseline is always there.
00:45:06
Keith Linder
Okay, but when there's arguments, then things I notice objects are heavier. get thrown.
00:45:16
Keith Linder
There's a concussion in the house. There's a electrical magnetic type interference. One of the investigators picked up on the house was humming.
00:45:29
Keith Linder
You have to walk out of the house and walk back in to hear the humming.
00:45:35
Keith Linder
Yeah, it was just very electrical. Even the fires that we see, mean, I tell people, We all know Portrait Guts can mimic voices. They can mimic sounds.
00:45:49
Keith Linder
But if you ask any Portrait Guts survivor, even their own voice, up here in own voice, there's always that 1% that makes it seem... Okay, that sounds like me, but I can still hear a little artificial in there.
00:46:04
Keith Linder
You know what mean?
00:46:05
Megan anderson
Mm-hmm.
00:46:05
Keith Linder
I can still feel a little artificial noise. So I... People talk about the piano sounds. We've heard the piano crash sounds. Okay? And you have to hear it to believe it because I've read other cases of oh you just hear a piano crash.
00:46:23
Keith Linder
And I remember one day Tina blew my phone she said, I ran out of the aisle. Why? I heard a piano crash. It came from upstairs. And she said it was just loud and thunderous, but sounded like a piano.
00:46:36
Keith Linder
And she said it was a little bit off, but it was still. So that was weird. And then the fires that I would see, even though I'm seeing them my naked eye, they're little real fires. okay there They're fires.
00:46:49
Keith Linder
But they look different.
00:46:53
Keith Linder
They look something, something ain't right about them. The objects after the fire is extinguished, it's generated a birth. has weird burn marks it just looks weird it just looks like a burn Yeah, so it's very puzzling. There's an artificial electronic something them behind it, even the sounds, voices, and even the EVP and all that is very interesting.
00:47:25
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, because i've I've got a firefighter background, Keith. So yeah if there's a fire in an apartment, you can pretty much say where the source of the ignition started.
00:47:37
Lee Hatfield
So yeah when you say that it was weird burn marks, what what kind of what do you mean so from that kind of that way
00:47:47
Keith Linder
Well, I mean, um'm like I said, fire to be, don't have to be a rocket scientist, though.
00:47:54
Keith Linder
Some of the fires we have, like the burnt Bibles, okay? The burnt Bibles are in places, and they're incinerated, right? But there's no smoke or fire residue anywhere near the Bible, except on the Bible.
00:48:09
Megan anderson
Yeah.
00:48:09
Keith Linder
And there's a bookshelf above the Bible, and there's objects. You know, i would think heat would cook some of the items around it.
00:48:17
Lee Hatfield
For sure.
00:48:17
Keith Linder
a naked eye or nothing, it would be visible. You would see and it would just be like, it would look like, okay, this Bible burnt somewhere else and they brought it back and sat here.
00:48:29
Keith Linder
But that's impossible because we were in the house when it got when they caught fire in first place. Okay? And even the postifier and the firemen, when they responded, they were they were like scratching heads. It was like, I can see them trying to do the equations in their heads about the post. I'm like, there's no heat source. There's no you know And they're looking for an Auckland's razor to apply anything.
00:48:50
Keith Linder
Give me anything to where we can say, start at this fire with this poster. And the room and me are not giving them that. Nothing behind it. You have no national, there's no heat lamp. There's no, you know, well, it's April. Who needs a heat lamp in But so they were like, we don't know. But okay.
00:49:10
Keith Linder
okay
00:49:11
Lee Hatfield
Did they ever try to point the finger that you did it?
00:49:16
Keith Linder
No, they didn't. Because like I said, I was very terrified when I called them.
Inexplicable Fires and Community Reaction
00:49:23
Keith Linder
And I extinguished the fire when they got there before they got there. oh but and never I never got to the point where they left at us as some arsonist or whatever.
00:49:34
Keith Linder
People were very sincere trying to problem solve our problem. So they were grateful for that I extinguished the fire. they were grateful for that I called. But they were very curious as to what caused it and if it happened to get called again. course it never happened again.
00:49:50
Keith Linder
But it was just weird for the time period that they're there. i mean they went downstairs and I understand why they have to do it. and when They looked at the fuse box in the garage.
00:49:58
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:49:59
Keith Linder
Let's go look at the fuse box.
00:50:00
Lee Hatfield
going
00:50:01
Keith Linder
Why?
00:50:04
Keith Linder
the lightning shoot from the fuse box, but, so I get what they were trying to do, I felt sorry in a sense, because I want to tell them, this is the ghost, man, this is the, oh, if I would have said that, then be like, okay, this guy, all
00:50:11
Lee Hatfield
sort of
00:50:13
Megan anderson
Oh, yeah.
00:50:19
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:50:21
Megan anderson
oh yeah
00:50:23
Keith Linder
right, you know, but I can't tell them that, but if they would ask look, you know, you know, oh, here's the guy, because,
00:50:25
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:50:31
Lee Hatfield
in the
00:50:32
Keith Linder
Right before the activity came back in 2014, January of 2014, I had a fall, a bad fall coming down the stairs.
00:50:34
Lee Hatfield
Until you.
00:50:41
Keith Linder
This when the activity was, there was no activity. Because we just left, we just left 2013. I come in and had a bad fall. It was bad. And upon falling down, I broke my right patella tendon, my kneecap, which requires surgery to repair.
00:51:00
Keith Linder
And, That day, the fire department responded to my injury. Tina called them because my knee was size of a bowling ball and I couldn't bend it, so she called them and they helped me into the ambulance.
00:51:13
Keith Linder
But it was the same. What was so interesting was, fast forward maybe four or five months later, the same firemen who responded to my knee fall were the ones responded to my post-fire.
00:51:30
Keith Linder
So they remembered me. And they're like, oh, we can't do what you need. We broke your knee. That's how small Bothell is, the fire department.
00:51:42
Megan anderson
Yeah.
00:51:43
Keith Linder
And like, yeah. They said, whoa, man, you're a lucky guy. I want to to Vegas with you one day.
00:51:48
Lee Hatfield
Snyder will have
00:51:48
Keith Linder
Because they were laughing about, number one, the fall I had, and now I was back up walking and running again, evidently. And now I had this fire in my office, and I put it out myself. I didn't burn the house down or whatever.
00:52:03
Keith Linder
So it just sounded interesting. And lo and behold, they they didn't know at the time. They're the ones that gave me the idea. It took about a year and a half for me to run with the idea, to call down to the Snoqualmie County Records Office.
00:52:22
Keith Linder
oh Because in America, it's called the Freedoms of Information Act. You can retrieve information.
00:52:28
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:52:30
Keith Linder
And as people for all the 911 calls to the house. No other paranormal team, including Ghost Adventures, never thought to do that.
00:52:41
Keith Linder
But I did. And when I did, that's why I got the county records, not my records, the county's records of Rhonda's attempted suicides, which I always believed her, but in my mind i was like,
00:52:44
Megan anderson
wow
00:52:58
Keith Linder
okay if they responded to it then they would have to have documented that, especially if they took her with them, and they did.
00:53:03
Lee Hatfield
Go ahead.
00:53:07
Keith Linder
And so it was a relief to me to have her story in the verifier paper proof, side by side, in the sheriff's deputy's notes taking.
00:53:19
Keith Linder
And I'll tell you one story about what he wrote. I've seen a lot in my Bothell house that scared me. This scared me because I know where she... and the deputy were going through.
00:53:34
Keith Linder
Okay, so this was sometime in 2000 and 2009. And anybody can read this because it's included in my two books. The PDF is.
00:53:47
Keith Linder
A sheriff deputy responds to the Bothell House of a woman trying attempt a suicide. Both neighbor and husband, the husband, Rhonda's husband, had not heard from her in a while.
00:54:01
Keith Linder
They're doing what it is called a wellness check. Okay. oh The sheriff pulls up in front of the house. This is what he wrote in his notes. Pulls up to the house. And he walks up to the front door.
00:54:15
Keith Linder
And knocks. And no response. He can hear from the garage, which is to his right, a woman screaming.
00:54:26
Keith Linder
She's saying over and over and over. Why don't y'all just leave me alone? Okay. So he rings the doorbell again. Nothing. And this woman's screaming. Why don't you leave me alone?
00:54:41
Keith Linder
He then proceeds from the front door and walks to the side of the house to the backyard. Okay.
00:54:50
Keith Linder
And then he gets to the backyard. He's on the backyard patio. The same patio I would be barbecuing on a few years later. He sees a mattress stuffed through the glass sliding door.
00:55:03
Keith Linder
Weird. but Okay. alone Weird. right. There's a mattress stuffed through the whole carved out sliding glass.
00:55:15
Keith Linder
Okay. That's weird. I'm going to back up.
00:55:19
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:55:20
Megan anderson
Yeah.
00:55:21
Keith Linder
I'll back up. but Okay.
00:55:24
Megan anderson
yeah
00:55:35
Keith Linder
Okay, now he's in the living room, the infamous living room of the Bothell Hell House. And he's looking around. He doesn't see anybody.
00:55:46
Keith Linder
And as he's making his way further into the house, Rhonda comes out of the garage, and now she's into the kitchen. just step out the garage you you me kitchen
00:56:02
Keith Linder
on both arms. better And she's holding a screwdriver.
00:56:19
Keith Linder
The police officer tells her in her screams Put down the screwdriver, because she's walking toward him. She's deranged and all that.
00:56:28
Megan anderson
Yeah.
00:56:29
Keith Linder
Put down the screwdriver, ma'am. He gives her a few tries and she doesn't respond or whatever. He tases her. Okay?
00:56:40
Keith Linder
So this is, how many seconds that took?
00:56:51
Keith Linder
is getting absorbed into the walls, into the ceilings of the house. Alright? And he tases this woman. She falls to the ground, blah, blah. He calls for psychiatric people that come to pick her up and all that stuff.
00:57:09
Keith Linder
And then he says in his report, there's nobody else in the house. She's screaming, why can't y'all just leave me alone? He writes that there's nobody else in the house
00:57:20
Megan anderson
wow
00:57:23
Keith Linder
And so I read down, who was Rhonda talking to? Because she was by herself.
00:57:31
Keith Linder
Now, go back to plugged into the door. I knew Rhonda, I knew why that was. when When I heard the police officer wrote that down.
00:57:46
Keith Linder
Because Rhonda, a few months, told me about an episode where she was in the kitchen Rhonda's a smoker. She went outside to have a cigarette.
00:57:57
Keith Linder
And she closed the sliding door. Her baby in a high chair. She had baby formula boiling on the stove. Okay. She put the baby in the high chair by the sliding door.
00:58:10
Keith Linder
She left the sliding door open. As any mother would. Right.
00:58:16
Lee Hatfield
ye
00:58:17
Keith Linder
When she turned to walk back into the house. This is Rhonda. The sliding door slammed shut on her and locked her out of the house.
00:58:32
Keith Linder
Rhonda's now locked outside her house in the backyard with a baby looking at clear as day, wailing now, with baby formula boiling on the stove.
00:58:47
Keith Linder
You know what any mother's about to do.
00:58:50
Keith Linder
Ronald said she found the biggest rock and busted that glass window to get back into the house. Okay?
00:59:01
Keith Linder
And that let me know, okay, she never got that replaced. The time frame for when that's happened and when she was suicidal, it had have been, don't know, days or weeks because...
00:59:16
Keith Linder
That's the only reason her ribbiting was because they didn't have any money.
00:59:19
Megan anderson
Mm-hmm.
00:59:20
Keith Linder
We didn't have any money. Was to stuff a mattress through that plug. Now you're really going to love this. Talk about when we moved. remember when we first toured the house. Me and Tina with the homeowner.
00:59:35
Keith Linder
And like I said, lovely house. We fell in love with it. And I remember we got to the sliding door and I looked at the guy. Because I'm from Texas. I'm like,
00:59:46
Keith Linder
Hey, there's a, the screen is missing. What happened to the screen? I said, most sliding doors, you know, you have the glass in the screen. Because do you want to open the glass in the screen?
01:00:00
Keith Linder
And they said, oh, the screen is what's missing. It's just gone. But, you know, if you feel you want one, you can buy one and then take it out of your rent. And that's fine. And I was like, oh, there's no screen. Okay.
01:00:15
Keith Linder
So all that stuff, when you piece it together, form a tie on my head, like I said, and then you fast forward to Keith and Tina waltzing in May 2012, happy-go-lucky, I love you, honey, I love you too.
01:00:18
Megan anderson
wow
01:00:29
Keith Linder
And you have to say, a woman took a screwdriver. ain't talking about a knife, okay? A knife is a sharp edge.
01:00:35
Megan anderson
Yeah. Wow.
01:00:36
Keith Linder
Probably cutting others. A screwdriver, that takes some power and some will. both arms that had to hurt.
01:00:44
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
01:00:45
Keith Linder
I had to have hurt.
01:00:46
Megan anderson
yeah
01:00:46
Keith Linder
Blood profusely, being tased, being hauled out of there on of a cart or gurney or whatever and all that
Researchers Validate Experiences
01:00:53
Keith Linder
stuff. And the house is just, and then here we come five years later, not unaware whatsoever. And the fact that Rhonda, she rest in peace, walked in front of a moving train on a clear summer day is just, like said, nobody, yeah, bottle house.
01:01:14
Lee Hatfield
That's crazy. So yeah from a medical kind of point of view, a lot of people are going to say that she had mental health issues. Yeah.
01:01:24
Keith Linder
No, and well,
01:01:25
Lee Hatfield
yeah Yeah. Yeah. So with the previous, you you've just been talking about one to being one of the previous residents after you moved out.
01:01:36
Lee Hatfield
What about people that moved in after you left? Did they experience the same kind of thing too?
01:01:43
Keith Linder
no and it I would say no, but to put an asterisk next to that. Number one, I have not purposely reached out to the people who live in the house now.
01:01:56
Megan anderson
Mm-hmm.
01:01:56
Keith Linder
I do know the people who live in the house now have been living there since left.
01:02:01
Lee Hatfield
jumpping
01:02:03
Keith Linder
A husband and wife.
01:02:03
Lee Hatfield
So turn on NordVPN.
01:02:06
Keith Linder
I have never been snooping around asking for anything because I don't want them to happen. They want to put the idea in their mind that they can have activity.
01:02:18
Keith Linder
They know the house is haunted. Or was. Or whatever. To what degree is on them, but they know. It's not hard to find out, but they know.
01:02:29
Keith Linder
But I have not asked or sent somebody to ask in my stead. And the reason being, aside from that I don't want them to have activity, number two, if there is activity, it's going to have to be organic in the sense of We have activity.
01:02:47
Keith Linder
But also, I tell people also, you have to understand, the Bothell House, there's always, it's it's a haunted house in the sense of people, with two families, Miami, around them were haunted while living there.
01:02:51
Lee Hatfield
you
01:03:04
Keith Linder
Okay. And a haunting can cause you to have mental issues.
01:03:08
Lee Hatfield
will be
01:03:09
Keith Linder
know as it's a wonderwhile beco right now you have to be crazy for couple but
01:03:16
Keith Linder
Between Rhonda and us, meaning Tina, were three other families. have not talked to I'm a Detroit group called to fighting them.
01:03:26
Keith Linder
So I don't know if they had activity or not. One of the theories surrounding poltergeist phenomena, and there are other cases where poltergeist, famous poltergeist cases where people live in a house today and the people 20 years ago had activity.
01:03:39
Lee Hatfield
ah ah hundred
01:03:39
Keith Linder
They're like, oh, we were fine. there seems to be a synergies association. Call it synergy, frequency, or a what whatever what you will.
01:03:49
Lee Hatfield
friend one
01:03:50
Megan anderson
Thank you.
01:03:53
Keith Linder
Not everybody's going to have activity. Now, I will say that Steve Marrow, psychotic Steve Marrow, who did investigate house, lived in it for two and half weeks, and then Don Phillips did Kyle, he has a theory or understanding that this possibly low-level activity in that house or other people's houses because we did find out other homes near the area were having considered low level activity but people are shrugging off is just one of those things you know i could tell you for me uh what sort of got me in trouble maybe i'm wired differently is because if i leave a room and i leave it with the lights on and they come come back with it off i know i had to turn it off
01:04:23
Megan anderson
Thank you.
01:04:39
Keith Linder
Outside of the light bulb blowing out, which it could happen. All right. But if I turn the switch on again and the light is on, I'm going to be like, wait a minute. I know I left it on.
01:04:50
Keith Linder
Same thing with the television.
01:04:50
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
01:04:51
Keith Linder
Or you sit your keys over here and they're over there. We go through so much of our day where we're just like, man, you know. Me, what got me in trouble was I stopped buying cameras like I know left that light on.
01:05:08
Keith Linder
Okay. And so I buy a camera who records me through my daily activities. And then all of a sudden that phenomena don't happen anymore. and Like, oh, it don't happen anymore.
01:05:19
Keith Linder
Okay? But what what does happen? The camera gets turned around. Or the SD card is missing. Or it's unplugged. So I go, hey, Tina, did you mess with the camera?
01:05:30
Keith Linder
I ain't touch cameras. Tina don't know nothing about tech. Don't want to. Okay? And so I go buy another camera to watch the camera that was unplugged.
01:05:42
Keith Linder
Okay. You know, because I'm like, it becomes a a game of cat and mouse. And now that the spirits are gaining the attention that they want. And they found somebody they could pick on. I go, look at him. I'm an idiot. He's going to another camera.
01:05:56
Keith Linder
Look at him.
01:05:57
Megan anderson
Yep. Yep.
01:05:59
Keith Linder
That's what they didn't say. Because don't think the same thing.
01:06:00
Megan anderson
yeah
01:06:01
Keith Linder
He doesn't know he should stop right now and just let bygones be bygones, you know.
01:06:06
Megan anderson
yeah
01:06:06
Keith Linder
If we take something, just forget about Just forget about it. But no, I'm like, no, that was mine. It took it. It's gone. I want it back. You know, I'm going to harass the house with my cameras to to figure this riddle out. And then at same time, they go, well, let's give them more. More of the same.
01:06:23
Keith Linder
More of the same. You know.
01:06:26
Lee Hatfield
Wow.
01:06:27
Keith Linder
And then one of the EVPs Steve caught, I'll tell you this quick, was, because I didn't know, but one of the EVPs he caught, Steve and Don was,
01:06:27
Lee Hatfield
So
01:06:36
Keith Linder
They said they didn't like cameras. They said the infrared hurts their eyes. You know? The visible, things we can't see with the naked eye, because our spectrum of light is different, but never thought about it.
01:06:45
Lee Hatfield
yeah.
01:06:46
Megan anderson
Yeah.
01:06:46
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
01:06:46
Megan anderson
Yeah.
01:06:50
Keith Linder
They're like, So if about if you were hurting my eyes with all the cameras you brought into the house, imagine all these zigzag lights, visible throughout the house, and that hurt your eye?
01:06:57
Megan anderson
Yeah.
01:07:00
Keith Linder
Yeah, I might knock a few cameras over. Yeah, I might kick something. Yeah, okay. So yeah, that's why making sense to me in that way.
01:07:09
Lee Hatfield
So you invited it the scientific establishment of power psychology to come and investigate?
01:07:17
Keith Linder
Yeah, how I found them was,
01:07:31
Keith Linder
And I was contemplating leaving.
01:07:36
Keith Linder
But I did not want, I felt it not fair for me and Tina and whoever we came to this house after us to not have proper information. Something's here.
01:07:48
Keith Linder
And if I leave now, Ghost Adventures is going to get the last one. And I know there's something here. So I started spending countless hours downtown at Seattle Library reading about any Portuguese book I could find.
01:08:05
Keith Linder
I never heard of the term Portuguese.
01:08:06
Megan anderson
Thank you.
01:08:07
Keith Linder
Okay. I got it taught to me. But other cases I started reading about, I started reading about how difficult it is to investigate a Portuguese home. It is really difficult. So the fact that Ghosts of Richard left empty handed, why did that catch so many people off guard?
01:08:32
Keith Linder
It's not really anything bearing against the house occupants. It's just tiny.
01:08:36
Megan anderson
Mm-hmm.
01:08:36
Keith Linder
But Steve Marishead kept coming up this in the conversations or the books I was reading, as with other people. And I contacted them all. He he he responded. And I knew he was in the UK.
01:08:48
Keith Linder
And I just very generally started sending him emails of what was happening. He replied back. And he asked a lot of questions. And we did this for like eight months. And then he said, yeah, okay, this is interesting.
01:09:00
Keith Linder
We'd like to come investigate. And then said, well, on one condition, you have to live in a home. I'm not having people come to my house and do a few hours and go leave and come back. I think to get what you really need out of this home, you're going have live there.
01:09:20
Keith Linder
He said, well, of course we're going live there. We're going to park ourselves in your house for a week or two. they're like, well, we're going to agree that they'll come on down. And that's what they did.
01:09:30
Keith Linder
They lived in the home. had a room to themselves that the brush of tea shower baby like everybody else does and we're able to but this phenomena their own eyes
01:09:44
Keith Linder
and leaving, oh we're here, we're gonna go back, we'll be back tomorrow. You know, any ghost is gonna, you know, not do anything with that. but
01:09:52
Megan anderson
Wow.
01:09:53
Keith Linder
So yeah, he did and I'm glad they did. He probably made Kyle the second time. He had his own room, he won this phenomenon. So yeah, and that's why they were able to, as a totality, over or 500 EVPs.
01:10:12
Lee Hatfield
Wow, that's crazy.
01:10:12
Keith Linder
Class A, Class B.
01:10:13
Megan anderson
wow
01:10:14
Keith Linder
Class, you the other ones. This is Class A and Class B ones. And they kept, they blew my mind when I had to rehear the stuff. and and And it all made sense because I'm like, people man, it's such thing. house is never that.
01:10:32
Keith Linder
Your house, Keith, if everything you say is true, everything you intend to say is true, your house has to be the most active house in history. And I'm like, well, I don't know other houses, so I can't say it's the most active house in history.
01:10:45
Keith Linder
I can just tell you it's just active. You make that determination. And what I tell you happened, happened. And when it happened, it did happen. So in 2014, from about April two go to give or take a week or two, from April to December, we had activities.
01:11:11
Keith Linder
Almost every day.
01:11:13
Keith Linder
Okay. There's a crescendo. There's a bell curve. You know. And have a graphic. And I can show anybody.
01:11:24
Keith Linder
Every day. It was that frequent. Now. Depending on when you come in on the activity. You can be coming on the upswing. You're probably going to get rewarded with a lot of phenomena.
01:11:35
Keith Linder
That's what paranormal teams did. They didn't know to do with it. But they they got rewarded. Or if you're coming down on the bell curve, you're probably going to be coming on the end of the phenomenon.
01:11:47
Keith Linder
And then you're probably going to get much. But it's going to come again. And then that happened for the entire year of 2014. The wall writings, the black oil, the black tar,
01:12:03
Keith Linder
all that stuff. It looks like some great paint. Regardless of what it looks like, happen. You know, if I'm a Portuguese for a history that I've read, write with crayon, with lipstick, write with sharp.
01:12:17
Megan anderson
we Were you able to like depict what they were or what they meant? Like the writings on the wall?
01:12:25
Keith Linder
Well, interesting about some of the writings on the wall, or the latter part was the Native American symbols. Okay. And, the upside down, don't know if you see the picture, it's an upside down stick figure of a man.
01:12:40
Megan anderson
Okay.
01:12:41
Keith Linder
And I knew right away when I started seeing that, that came out the blue, that started happening in like, August, September, October of 2014, when we started seeing these upside down figures in my office.
01:12:56
Keith Linder
And they started off with one, then two, then three, and then all the all the walls, including the ceiling, had it. And, and I remember one day just looking at it. I was just looking at the upside and I was like, Google upside down stick figure.
01:13:15
Keith Linder
Okay. And hit enter. And while I threw it to these Native American websites, it looked just like that. I'm aha. Oh, okay. And you can, I mean, any high schooler can look at that and it looks like calligraphy. It like picardly.
01:13:34
Keith Linder
And so i said, well, what does that mean? What does that mean?
01:13:39
Keith Linder
In the websites, like I said, said, that someone was upside down means a man has died. And they only it's only used either when a man has been murdered or has died from a disease like smallpox.
01:13:53
Keith Linder
Okay. And so that's that's that's a breadcrumb, right? that's that's The question answers the question, but it creates more questions. Oh, smallpox, a man has died.
01:14:01
Megan anderson
Right. Yeah.
01:14:03
Keith Linder
Well, did anybody die in the house? We ruled that out.
01:14:06
Megan anderson
yeah
01:14:06
Keith Linder
I can find no record of anybody dying in the house. Rhonda was raped in the house, but nobody died the house. Well, what about underneath the house? Okay, let me go look for that. We can find no record, meaning directly underneath the house.
01:14:22
Keith Linder
But, i look hold on. There were Native Americans who lived the Pacific Northwest, Bothell included. Snohomish County included. who did die from smallpox.
01:14:36
Keith Linder
It was 500 800. They gave the year when they died. And they died of smallpox and they were put in mass graves.
01:14:44
Lee Hatfield
Okay.
01:14:46
Keith Linder
And to make it even worse, the Native Americans were purposely den denied the vaccine to smallpox. So was able to find evidence of that.
01:14:56
Megan anderson
yeah
01:14:57
Keith Linder
And so i was like, all right. but What about the black oil? What's that? Why wasn't that a blue upside down man or red?
01:15:10
Megan anderson
Yeah.
01:15:12
Keith Linder
So oh I chiseled a piece of the black wall, the black oil, because my coworker, who I did not know, is at the time my job had a lab.
01:15:24
Keith Linder
He saw my story on the news and I was at the coffee machine one day. He said, hey, I saw your house on TV. And I was like, oh, yeah. He said, oh, your house is haunted?
01:15:34
Megan anderson
Yeah, about that.
01:15:36
Keith Linder
I was like, yeah. He said, what's that stuff? And I'm like, I know it's crazy, right? He said, you know what it is? i'm like I'm like, no.
01:15:47
Megan anderson
Yeah.
01:15:47
Keith Linder
He said, hey, I got a lab upstairs. If you break it up to my lab, I might be able to tell you what it is. And my eyes lit. like, what? What are you talking about? What are you talking about? Is it? Because his department tests the FI, they test all the metals or the paint on the metals that we put on our products.
01:16:06
Keith Linder
Because he was telling me, we sell our product all over the world. And we have to we pay people to make our products elsewhere. And we have to make sure they're not using forbidden materials.
01:16:18
Keith Linder
Because customs finds out or any country regulatory agency finds out, we get fined. So anybody who makes stuff for us ships it back to the U.S. and we have to test the medals.
01:16:30
Keith Linder
And I'm that guy. And so went home excited and chiseled a piece off the door and brought it to him the next day. And sure enough, he took me up to his room his lab and he pulled out this thing, like a Star Trek gun. It's called an XRF gun or something.
01:16:50
Keith Linder
And I put the thing on the table and he stabbed it with the nose it pulls up the materials off the screen. And remember the first time he did it, he was like, oh, that's really that's interesting.
01:17:01
Keith Linder
He said, there's no metals on this. Because he's thinking it's paint. like up they And then he said, it's all organic. I'm like, organic? Yeah, it's coming back. Everything, all the material is organic.
01:17:13
Keith Linder
Now, he wrote down all the materials that he found.
01:17:26
Keith Linder
And I was like, aha, good. So people are I keep the teeth that y'all painted. Y'all about painted the story. I did that. So I was like, aha, so it's not painted. I don't know what it But I took the materials and I started calling the art galleries.
01:17:41
Keith Linder
ah ah hey you if if I if I gave you this, what would you and I showed them the picture of the wall right there. I said, what would what would you make that? And they said, oh, that's bone black.
01:17:53
Keith Linder
I'm like, what is bone black? He said, bone black is incinerated buffalo or bison bone. it's one of the oldest forms of black paint. Light bone.
01:18:06
Keith Linder
I'm like, what? I said, yeah, it's one of the, the Native Americans use it for calligraphy and pictography. said, well, how do you make bone black?
01:18:12
Megan anderson
Wow. Mm-hmm.
01:18:14
Keith Linder
They said, well, You take buffalo bones and you incinerate it to an extreme temperature yeah it produces its own black powdery coal-like substance as well as its own binding agent.
01:18:28
Keith Linder
And then you have your pictography. You've created an organic form of black paint.
01:18:45
Keith Linder
And my mind is, What? And all these things start coming in. I'm like, it's oh, okay. Yeah, Buffalo Bison Club. Yeah.
Native American Influence and Local History
01:18:58
Lee Hatfield
So, Keith, you mentioned about yeah that that oil or paint or whatever you want to call it being from Native American origin.
01:19:10
Lee Hatfield
Did you actually do any research to find out if there was any settlements on the ground before yeah modern technology built everything up?
01:19:21
Keith Linder
Well, I'm not able to find locally any proof that Native Americans mean that house or that neighborhood. And the reason why is because record keeping for Snohomish County, the state of Washington, really was did not begin to the early Early 1900s.
01:19:39
Keith Linder
like keep the bla early nineteen And for that specific area, really There was really no good
01:19:44
Megan anderson
Thank you.
01:19:48
Keith Linder
record However, I can tell you since living here in Bothell Pacific Northwest, like where you are, pretty sure, occasionally when new development comes in and they break the ground and earth for to build whatever, they will encounter at times Native American civilization that nobody knew, whoa, whoa, whoa.
01:20:14
Keith Linder
We didn't even know this was here. And then the ground has... construction has to stop. I know other team has to come in oh to investigate and make sure there's nobody's under there they're not disturb us so there. There's been recent laws passed to that effect.
01:20:32
Keith Linder
In Bothell, if you go walking, muscles are a walking, jogging community. There are places you can go walking and jogging off the trail and you will pass by cemeteries of both settler and Native American.
01:20:50
Keith Linder
Okay? They just fenced off or courted off because back then, people in the New World, people just buried their loved ones in their backyard. You know, or had or had a makeshift cemetery 50 yards from the house.
01:21:02
Lee Hatfield
you.
01:21:05
Keith Linder
You know, a picket fence around. This is Cliff. This is nothing else. This is where you're going to be. You know, that's just how they did it back then. So those are still there. Nobody's going to unearth that and move them to a new cemetery. going to mess with this part of the land again.
Neighborhood's Haunting Reputation
01:21:22
Keith Linder
And so same thing with Native Americans. i don't do Do I think there's something underneath the ground of the Bothell house, house, house? Probably not. But I don't think that that it needs to be for a house to be active.
01:21:37
Keith Linder
Because I kid you not, the whole area in that area, The Bothell neighborhood. The neighborhood that Bothell House is is called the Timbers neighborhood.
01:21:46
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
01:21:47
Keith Linder
The reason why they call it the Timbers neighborhood because there used to be trees galore. The timber cut them down and moved houses. There's about 300 or 400 housing units. But I tell you what, once again, this story was bought to me after I moved out by somebody who still lives in that neighborhood.
01:22:06
Keith Linder
And this is...
01:22:06
Megan anderson
Mm-hmm.
01:22:08
Keith Linder
For any paranormal investigator listening to this or will listen to this, you should take this to heart. This is an opportunity to learn something because he calls me one day. he said, hey, I'm reaching out to you because but we're friends to this day. He says, I had to leave my work to go home because i my emotional arms went off.
01:22:31
Keith Linder
He works Comcast, Rexfinity. And I had to go home because it detected an intruder. So I went home. But when I got there, it was already a sheriff's car parked in my driveway because they respond to a burglary in progress.
01:22:47
Keith Linder
oh And so he walks he walk he walks up to the driveway and the officer's there and they talk and the officer's like, well, looks like your house is okay. Nobody's broken in or nothing.
01:22:58
Keith Linder
And then my friend's like, yeah, it probably just went off. It just probably went off or whatever but but my broke And like said, the officer volunteered to say, you know, this neighborhood, we get more false reports, false trip alarms in any other the neighborhood mall. He said, really?
01:23:23
Keith Linder
All the time. This neighborhood, ever since this neighborhood was built, you know. So it's almost big deal when we have to arrive. We always sort of amongst themselves, the officers, try not to coax themselves to be nonchalant when responding to a Timber call.
01:23:37
Lee Hatfield
Oh, for sure. Yeah, yeah. Wow.
01:23:40
Keith Linder
They're like, oh, Timber is okay. No, they have to come and do dealings all the time. But he said, I'm just letting you know, take whatever it's worth. I kind of do coming here before. So all we get up all these houses all the time.
01:23:53
Lee Hatfield
and saying well
01:23:54
Keith Linder
And he emailed me and said, yeah, you know, the house is
01:23:59
Megan anderson
Did you find that your neighbors experienced similar events?
Local and Investigator Reactions
01:24:03
Megan anderson
And if they did, did it compare to yours?
01:24:07
Keith Linder
Well, that's was going with this. I'm glad you asked that because the the two houses, but the houses next to us, oh
01:24:09
Megan anderson
Oh. There we go. You knew.
01:24:15
Megan anderson
Yep.
01:24:17
Keith Linder
when the investigators went to go interview them, and when the neighbors talked to us voluntarily once they knew our house was haunted, start telling us, and they told investigators, because we didn't have pets, but they did, that their pets in their house were
01:24:20
Megan anderson
Mm-hmm.
01:24:35
Keith Linder
do not go to any of the rooms closest to our house.
01:24:40
Keith Linder
did They don't do that. Some of them walk their dogs through the neighborhood and say, our dogs will not go in your lawn.
01:24:43
Megan anderson
one
01:24:54
Keith Linder
Never. Both houses to the left and right of that says that.
01:25:01
Keith Linder
I remember when we first moved in, like said, the The precursors were always there. This was like day two of moving in.
01:25:07
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
01:25:09
Keith Linder
had my best friend with me. We were moving my bed in. Two things happened that day. Well, three things, I'll tell you. And this was before the levitation of the plant, but after the kickoff.
01:25:23
Keith Linder
Me and my best friend are moving our bed up upstairs to the master bedroom.
01:25:27
Lee Hatfield
you know
01:25:29
Keith Linder
It's a winding staircase. we come down yeah and we looked to the room having delivered the the mattress and we look up and the chandelier is waving profusely left to right and we looked it and we're like we didn't touch that it's so high up in the air we never let the mattress on our shoulder but the mattress never touched that oh that's weird but we were thirsty when I decided to have a beer
01:26:00
Megan anderson
Wow.
01:26:06
Megan anderson
Mm-hmm.
01:26:07
Keith Linder
Then the guy across the street walks over, neighborhood watcher, we call him. He comes over. You know, it's one of every neighborhood.
01:26:18
Lee Hatfield
Oh, yeah.
01:26:18
Keith Linder
And he comes over to be friendly. He hey, guys moving in? Yeah, we're moving He said, oh, I didn't know the house was for sale. But he said, man, that house. He says, nobody nobody lives in that house for long.
01:26:32
Keith Linder
And I'm drinking beer, my friend's drinking, and we're looking at that. Oh, really? No, nobody ever stays in that house for long time. So I was like, oh, okay. I'm house high. I'm glad I got the house.
01:26:44
Keith Linder
And then he talks a little bit more, and then he just walks on. Well, later that night, Tina and I are in bed, and we're talking, and she's like, I said, hey, honey, did you call the power companies and electric companies and get all the names switched over into our name and your name?
01:27:00
Keith Linder
said, yeah, I did. I called the power company, and and I gave them the address. And, you know, they look on their end. And like I said, the product company knows who's all living in their address.
01:27:10
Megan anderson
Yeah.
01:27:10
Keith Linder
They have a post-op on the screen properly. And she said, the lady said, sort of what the guy across the street said. She said, oh, nobody stays in our household. keep switching the names all the time.
01:27:24
Keith Linder
You know. And like said, this was before. And I know the spirits are listening to all this. And we're just like, we have no idea what's about to come of us.
01:27:31
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
01:27:35
Megan anderson
yeah
01:27:35
Keith Linder
But all these little subtle things are there.
01:27:35
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
01:27:38
Keith Linder
When I go back and look, they they they're little, they've been there. And we just shrugged a lot.
01:27:42
Lee Hatfield
yeah
01:27:43
Keith Linder
Oh, that's that's interesting because, look, this is a nice house. I can imagine somebody coming in here and leaving right away. then the ghost part is like, ha ha.
01:27:51
Megan anderson
Yeah.
01:27:55
Megan anderson
Yeah.
01:27:55
Lee Hatfield
Check. Yeah.
01:27:56
Megan anderson
yeah
01:27:56
Lee Hatfield
Did you ever get the, did you ever get the church involved, Keith?
01:27:56
Keith Linder
But here's...
01:28:01
Keith Linder
Oh, a lot of times, yeah. The the church, several churches, several denominations came and blessed the house. The Catholic Church, like one of the reasons for staying was, who were advised revised the stay, Seattle referred us to the local parish in Bothell.
01:28:22
Keith Linder
And he was very sympathetic to our idea. He told us of other stories about His parish made him handle, what's that, Oregon, California, and Washington of all you know phenomena for the church. So he was very sympathetic and believed this and told you're not know what to believe it or not. You're not going know what experience in this and in around Bothell.
01:28:47
Keith Linder
And I believed him. What impressed him or what he never saw before was the frequency. Most people I talk to come up with genuine people who understand poltergeist, nobody was dismayed by the activity, because these things happen in other cases, okay?
01:29:06
Keith Linder
What they were dismayed by, astonished by, was the frequency. That's what made Steve Mariner fly, you know, six, eight thousand miles twice, because of the frequency.
01:29:12
Megan anderson
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:29:20
Keith Linder
It sounded almost too good to be true, hearing it from afar, let's go see with our own eyes and ears. It's the frequency that caught people off guard.
01:29:34
Keith Linder
It was almost every day.
01:29:38
Keith Linder
Also, what is true is, so I told you the day we moved in, May 1st, we signed the papers with the homeowner, and I moved out May 16, no, May 8, 2016.
01:29:50
Keith Linder
two thousand november eight two thousand sixteen How many times have you, did you think, just like rough guess, both of you, you think the homeowner visited us in that four-year period?
01:30:05
Keith Linder
view level
01:30:05
Lee Hatfield
I'm going to go, i'll go out on a limb and say
01:30:09
Lee Hatfield
twice
01:30:12
Megan anderson
I'm gonna... Oh, God. I will say like four times. Wow.
01:30:20
Keith Linder
Okay, so picture you the homeowner, you say four, you say twice.
01:30:27
Keith Linder
Zero.
01:30:30
Megan anderson
wow
01:30:30
Keith Linder
The homeowner never visited the house. Even when our claims went public, the homeowner never visited the house to meet the investigator, to shake hands with the investigator, to meet with the church, the priest, or whoever.
01:30:35
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
01:30:49
Keith Linder
First, only two times I saw the homeowner was the day I picked up the keys and the day I gave the keys back to him. Okay. He knew of them. He told us to keep them abreast of the help we were receiving.
01:31:06
Megan anderson
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
01:31:06
Keith Linder
Okay. But he never came there to see for himself or to meet anybody because we had to get permission from him to allow these people in.
01:31:19
Keith Linder
And he never came there to me. When there was damage done, had to get appliances replaced because the poltergeist blew it up like the oven. He disordered the oven and had it delivered.
01:31:31
Keith Linder
He took my word for it when the fire department, a fire just erupted in your office. His office. I just lived there. He never came there.
01:31:41
Lee Hatfield
What is he not telling you?
01:31:43
Keith Linder
He never, uh, what are you doing to my house, Mr. Lender? Or anything.
01:31:48
Megan anderson
Yeah.
01:31:48
Keith Linder
He was always, he was 15 minutes away. Okay.
01:31:52
Lee Hatfield
He knew something, didn't he? He knew something for death and death.
01:31:54
Megan anderson
yeah
01:31:54
Keith Linder
He knew something, you know, because the day I asked him for permission for ghost adventures to come in there, and I told him some of the activity we were having, because I asked him, said, hey, anything wrong with the house we need to know about?
01:32:13
Keith Linder
Anything? Oh, no. I said, well, we hear strange noises and stuff. but I said, nothing. And I said, well, I have a team that wants to come investigate. And I told them, and I started showing them the pictures.
01:32:26
Keith Linder
They said, well, you have my permission. And whatever they need, just send to me an outsider and, you know, email it back to them you have my permission. And then he said a very peculiar sentence that I knew his subconscious was answering, not him. He said,
01:32:45
Keith Linder
Yeah, it's probably some spirits living in there that are caught up in there that need to be exercised out.
01:32:52
Lee Hatfield
Why would you come out with that?
01:32:52
Keith Linder
But you can go ahead and do that. I'm like, oh, so you even do. So you believe in spirits too.
01:32:59
Keith Linder
but You know, you never say raccoons or mice or anything.
01:32:59
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
01:33:03
Megan anderson
Yeah. No.
01:33:05
Keith Linder
Oh, it's probably some.
01:33:05
Megan anderson
no
01:33:06
Keith Linder
Because it can be mice.
01:33:06
Lee Hatfield
Straight down the spirit route. Yeah.
01:33:08
Keith Linder
Because the house, don't know how they are in in Canada. The neighborhood I live in is HOA, it's Home Owners Association. So every 911 call to any house in a home association automatically gets notified of that.
01:33:29
Keith Linder
Okay? Just proactively. So what I had to call the Snohomish County for, for Ronda's records, he got automatically, because he's a member of the home association,
01:33:42
Keith Linder
He had these records way before we did. Okay. And for the fact that he didn't live in the house ever, house ever, but was getting these information, he was getting the 911 calls we were getting.
01:33:46
Megan anderson
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
01:34:00
Keith Linder
When I called the 911 for my fire, because the home association automatically gets those records. I did not know that until after. was like, He gets to that. Yeah, he gets to that.
01:34:13
Keith Linder
It was not until I talked to another neighbor who was on the on the board of the Homeless Owners Association. said, dude, we know all about your house. We we get knocked down with one record. day hate you but He has not called us or anything. like
01:34:32
Lee Hatfield
wow
01:34:32
Megan anderson
Wow.
01:34:33
Keith Linder
So it just made us do that he knew something that, you know,
01:34:37
Megan anderson
Yeah.
01:34:40
Keith Linder
Yeah, it's ah it's impossible. yeah
01:34:42
Megan anderson
Now, have you ever experienced anything since you left the house?
Life After Bothell and Personal Impact
01:34:48
Keith Linder
Yeah, before and after. I tell people, me and Tina, while living in the house, I would be attacked at work.
01:34:51
Megan anderson
Oh, okay.
01:34:56
Keith Linder
I would be attacked on business trips, meaning in my hotel room. This is while living in the house.
01:35:00
Megan anderson
Mm-hmm.
01:35:01
Keith Linder
This is when the house was probably in its most, most scale of what to find. It was a five. Occasionally we get attacked while traveling for business. But after that' that's why there's two books after the Bothell Hell House, Attachments, Portagast, and Watson State, is 85% of what happened to me after I moved out the house.
01:35:20
Keith Linder
Now, hell was not as violent as what was in the house. I would say it switched from more of physical to a more psychological, to more mental. But yeah, I was still bombarding.
01:35:27
Megan anderson
Wow. Mm-hmm.
01:35:28
Keith Linder
I was still bombarding with the bed shaking, the mattress indentations, The heartbeats coming from within the mattress. That still happens today.
01:35:39
Keith Linder
None of that has subsided. It will quiet down for a period, but it comes back. It spikes.
01:35:48
Keith Linder
Occasionally electronic issues.
01:35:48
Lee Hatfield
okay
01:35:49
Keith Linder
Occasionally. Nothing I can hang my hat on, but it's just weird. I can tell you my friends occasionally to this day, but if I'm there, like at a party or at their house, I'll get a phantom doorbell ring.
01:36:02
Keith Linder
GPS issues, you know, my GPS on my phone when I use like an Uber or Waze or Google Maps or something that just be going crazy or if I get in the car for Uber ride or something, the the car drivers Uber will go crazy as recent as last night.
01:36:20
Keith Linder
And so this has never happened before or whatever. One time my GPS lot of times has me going in circles. I'll be trying to go to SeaTac Airport and it directs that kid you not. It'll say, you know, SeaTac Airport and we're driving, but if I look down, it's just on a horseshoe right back to my house.
01:36:38
Keith Linder
Right back to my house.
01:36:40
Megan anderson
Wow. Yeah.
01:36:41
Keith Linder
But, yeah, but then, like I said, the nightmares and the night terrors, those haven't subsided.
01:36:48
Megan anderson
yeah
01:36:50
Lee Hatfield
So Keith, we're coming to kind of the end of our podcast and it's been absolutely fascinating with some of the stuff you've come out with.
01:36:56
Megan anderson
yeah
01:36:58
Lee Hatfield
So I'd like to ask one final question, but how has your entire experience changed you as a person?
01:37:09
Keith Linder
Good question. I can tell you the Keith Linder before this started, I was always fifty fifty about the paranormal. I was not a downright disbeliever. If you told me you had an encounter, would be more inclined to believe he or she.
01:37:28
Keith Linder
Okay, who am I, right? I just thought it would be interesting. The universe an interesting place. I can tell you, having lived and seen and felt and heard all this that's still doing it.
01:37:42
Keith Linder
I'm a team member. I'm a believer. Forever will be. It alters you. It alters my state of where we are in the spiritual food chain.
01:37:56
Keith Linder
I tell people we're down at the top. oh It just makes me know that this there there's a lot out there. I was
01:38:04
Megan anderson
Thank you.
01:38:05
Keith Linder
educated to know by the people of the county all the world even in seattle that we're not the only one that have gone through this locally i can put other homes 20 miles or less away from me that have similar stories or far darker but it changes you could say i'm humbled in the sense of i i think i still have my sanity uh i have a good support system before during and after this ordeal on the way I was raised, my view life iook on life, on life.
01:38:37
Keith Linder
Tina's side, I was very devastated, forever will be, that that relationship ended the way it did. But the silver lining, if want to find one, is the amount of evidence that came from not only my, what I kept a diary, video diary of, and audio diary of, and all that,
01:38:52
Megan anderson
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:38:59
Keith Linder
or what the teams found. I tell people,
01:39:14
Keith Linder
If you really want to study this phenomenon, you will get a treasure trove of stuff.
01:39:18
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
01:39:20
Keith Linder
I can tell you this because I'm an IT specialist. Only 50% of the evidence has been... gone through. It's 85% but it still has nothing to touch. So, make that what you will. But it's just a whole lot of stuff. But it changes me. So, I'm still the same geeky Star Wars, Star Trek-y guy, Marvel Universe guy.
01:39:46
Keith Linder
So, yeah.
01:39:46
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, man for my own heart.
01:39:47
Keith Linder
look yeah
01:39:50
Lee Hatfield
Okay, Keith, I'd like to say it's been an absolutely fascinating story.
01:39:55
Megan anderson
Yes.
01:39:55
Lee Hatfield
I thank you for your time, Megan.
01:39:57
Megan anderson
Yes.
01:39:58
Lee Hatfield
I thank you for yours, as always.
01:40:00
Megan anderson
Thank you.
01:40:01
Lee Hatfield
And hope hopefully our paths will cross again in the future and we can listen to you for another two hours because like I'm just like completely enthralled by what you've been telling me today.
01:40:01
Megan anderson
Yes.
01:40:06
Keith Linder
but
01:40:06
Megan anderson
Definitely.
01:40:14
Megan anderson
Yeah.
01:40:15
Lee Hatfield
Hence why there's been not meant not much talking and more listening.
01:40:18
Megan anderson
Yeah.
01:40:20
Keith Linder
Hey, it was good.
01:40:20
Megan anderson
So fascinating.
01:40:20
Keith Linder
Thanks for having me. Like i said, if you have a question or when we're back on, let me know. I'll be happy to do it. Maybe bring some of the investigators in themselves or you can interview them by themselves and get their viewpoint.
01:40:29
Megan anderson
Yeah.
01:40:33
Keith Linder
But yeah, I'm here to help.
01:40:36
Lee Hatfield
OK, perfect.
01:40:36
Megan anderson
That's awesome.
01:40:37
Lee Hatfield
Thanks very much, Steve. Take care.
01:40:38
Megan anderson
Thank you.
01:40:39
Keith Linder
Thank you.