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S2 E3 Jamie Mose - Author, Paranormal Investigator and Haunted Doll Collector
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In this weeks episode i am delighted to have Jamie Mose with me. Jamie is a paranormal investigator, and author.
Jamie's stories started when she was 15, when she heard knocking and crying sounds outside her house to investigating with TV's the Wraith Chasers
We spoke about some of the locations Jamie has visited, including Waverly Hills, Lizzie Borden house, Trans-Allegheny
The conversation took a spooky turn, when Jamie started talking about her collection of haunted dolls and when she had a bidding war with her first haunted doll. Just as an FYI, If you are a haunted doll in Jamie's house, you either be nice, or get stuffed in the shed outside
Jamie then told me stories about some of the UK locations she has visited, how her book "Respectful Ghost Hunting" came about, and finished off by telling me about the time she stayed in a diner until 2am listening to ghost stories
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Transcript
Introduction to Jamie Mose
00:00:12
Lee Hatfield
Hello everybody and welcome to the latest episode of SIPA Paranormal Chronicles. Tonight I am delighted to have Jamie Mose with me. Jamie is a paranormal investigator, an author.
00:00:26
Lee Hatfield
I don't know why, but she collects haunted dolls and haunted objects. We'll get into that in a little bit. And she's an investigator with the Power Hunters and she's also been involved with the Wraith Chasers.
00:00:38
Lee Hatfield
Jamie, welcome.
00:00:40
Jamie Mose
Thank you
00:00:42
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, let's not tell anybody about all the technical issues that we've had at the very beginning. We'll just end ignore that.
00:00:48
Jamie Mose
Well, it was on my end, so
00:00:52
Lee Hatfield
Shh, don't tell anybody.
00:00:52
Jamie Mose
so I won't say anything.
00:00:56
Lee Hatfield
OK, so thank you for coming onto the show and you're most welcome.
00:00:59
Jamie Mose
Well, thank you for having me.
00:01:02
Lee Hatfield
And what I always like to do is I'd always like to start right at the very beginning of your life.
First Paranormal Experience
00:01:08
Lee Hatfield
And how did you first get involved with the paranormal?
00:01:13
Jamie Mose
Well, I was young. i was only about 15 years old, and I had an experience at my parents' house that I couldn't explain. And so, of course, it scared me, but I didn't understand it because I was always raised as a Baptist.
00:01:28
Jamie Mose
And so we were always taught that, you know, as soon as you die, you're before the Lord. So I couldn't understand why the spirit had come to my home and was not. Well, what happened was I was at home by myself and my parents were working until midnight.
00:01:45
Jamie Mose
And so I was on the phone with a friend, listened to the radio. I was not scared. I was not nervous, anything. Well, then something came to my window and knocked on my window. So I just thought it was my brother coming home.
00:01:57
Jamie Mose
And so I went to open the window or, you know, look out the window. And when I did this, the only way I can explain it is that there was this high pitched crying sound that started. And I've been in the woods my whole life. I've, you know, went hunting, fishing. We've played out in the woods for forever. This is no animal I'd ever heard. And then so I got scared and i told my friend on the phone, I said, there's somebody outside my window and it sounds like they're crying.
00:02:22
Jamie Mose
And then all of a sudden they knocked the person on the way or whoever was at the window knocked and said my name. So then I started to panic because I knew it was not my parents.
00:02:30
Lee Hatfield
for
00:02:32
Jamie Mose
It wasn't my brother. And of course, you know how you get that feeling that cold up and down your spine. I was like, this is not good. And so I told my friend, I said, something's wrong. So she went to go call my other friend that lived just about a mile away from me.
00:02:46
Jamie Mose
Cause I lived way out in the country. The closest town for me was probably about close to 20 miles. So, um, anyways, it was snowing at the time. And so,
00:02:58
Jamie Mose
While she went to go get my friend on the other phone, because this is a long time ago before cell phones. And then um it knocked and said my name two more times. And so by this time, I'm in a puddle of tears. I'm crying. I'm like, somebody's got to help me.
00:03:15
Jamie Mose
I'm freaking out. And so my friend and her dad come down and he comes in the driveway sideways. He's got his gun out and he walks all around the house. There's no footprints in the snow.
00:03:28
Jamie Mose
There's no animals to be found. There's nothing. And so i couldn't understand what had happened. And so, of course, everybody said, oh, it's just your imagination. And I'm like, no, I wasn't scared.
00:03:40
Jamie Mose
You know, I was on the phone with my friend listening to the radio. I had no reason to be scared. So anyway, I didn't understand that. And so then after that, that's when I started going to the
Joining the Paranormal Community
00:03:49
Jamie Mose
cemeteries. And then if I could find, you know, an abandoned house or something, I started trying to play around with it and figure out what the paranormal was. Why did this happen to me?
00:04:00
Jamie Mose
Then over time, you know, then it started coming on TV. Of course, Ghost Hunters came out and I was like, wow. You know, i was like I didn't know other people were even interested in this. Then I learned that they had all these cute little gadgets that you could use.
00:04:13
Jamie Mose
So I started ordering those. And so over the years, you know, I just started learning more about it and getting way more into it. And finally found some people that were just like me interested in the paranormal. And so started from there and have progressed and met friends and have friends from all over the world now.
00:04:33
Jamie Mose
Yes.
00:04:34
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, because it's quite interesting how you kind of invited me trying to introduce your friend on Facebook, which I did. And then it's like, oh, yeah, I'm friends with that person.
00:04:45
Lee Hatfield
I'm friends with that person. I'm friends with that person. I'm friends with that person.
00:04:48
Jamie Mose
Yes.
00:04:50
Lee Hatfield
And it's such a close-knit community.
00:04:53
Jamie Mose
yes
00:04:54
Lee Hatfield
that once you once you start doing what we're doing right now, like there's so many different connections and people that, oh, get this person on, get this person on. and yeah And it's like to say, everyone likes to help each other.
00:05:07
Jamie Mose
Oh, yes. Yeah.
00:05:08
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. So can you remember your very first investigation?
First Investigation in Texas
00:05:13
Jamie Mose
Actually, yes. I went to Gainesville, Texas, which for me is only about maybe 45 minutes away from me. And ah we went to a home there that was haunted.
00:05:25
Jamie Mose
And so I spent the night in there and all these crazy things happened. I heard voices, I heard footsteps, and it just blew my mind. And again, I'm with a bunch of like people, you know, they were all interested in this. And so I had the best time of my life. That's when I started finding out that they had paranormal conferences and then they had events where you go, ah go do ghost hunting with people.
00:05:49
Jamie Mose
Man, I was hooked from there for sure. Yeah, that was such an awesome, awesome place.
00:05:52
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah.
00:05:54
Jamie Mose
And then we actually also went to a train station there in Gainesville and and then a park where there was a whole bunch of people that were hung um during the Civil War and things. So amazing time.
00:06:06
Jamie Mose
And so, oh, yes, that was my first time. And I was so hooked from there.
00:06:13
Lee Hatfield
is That is awesome. It was actually quite funny because the fact that we went to New Jersey a year ago to a paranormal convention, when I'm coming over the border, the TSA agent said, where are you going? Going to New Jersey. How long are you going there for? Three days.
00:06:29
Lee Hatfield
What are you going there for? paranormal convention. I'm sorry, a what? It's okay, sir, have a good day. Bye-bye.
00:06:38
Jamie Mose
Oh, yes.
00:06:38
Lee Hatfield
It's sort of like, yeah.
00:06:39
Jamie Mose
It's so fun going through the airport when you have your equipment with you, because usually they'll look at and look at you like, um what's wrong with you?
00:06:41
Lee Hatfield
o
00:06:47
Lee Hatfield
yeah Yeah, it's actually quite funny because we went we had to go to to the UK in November. That's why we I think we rescheduled this thing.
00:06:57
Jamie Mose
Oh.
00:06:58
Lee Hatfield
And as I'm going through security, I've actually got this hoodie on. One of the security agents stops me and she goes, I've just read the back of your shirt.
00:07:09
Lee Hatfield
Have you got a business card? It's sort of like, yes, yeah sure, there you go.
00:07:11
Jamie Mose
Oh, wow.
00:07:13
Lee Hatfield
search i look I love this stuff, but I thought I'd ask it after you got screened. Oh, yeah, sort of like it. So... You were had your first investigation.
Solo Investigations Begin
00:07:26
Lee Hatfield
ah At what point did it take you before you actually joined a group and then became like a an organised investigator with a team?
00:07:36
Jamie Mose
Well, it took me probably not very long, probably about three or four months after that. i I got on a team and then, you know, we started investigating and things like that. But you know how things go. um i wasn't involved with it, but the team broke up.
00:07:53
Jamie Mose
But after doing that, I realized, m I don't think teams were for me, you know, that much. And so I basically started traveling a lot on my own. And so, you know, I was traveling all across the United States. I jump on a plane, go somewhere. And so that's how I started ah doing a lot more events with the Wraith Chasers, you know, because I got to be friends with them and everything. And so they were, um you know, so friendly and so helpful And so I felt safe with them. I knew if something happened, you know, they'd be there to help me out or whatever. So I started going to a lot of their events. And um and then from there, you know, and they would laugh because they're like, man, anywhere in the United States and she'll just pop up.
00:08:35
Jamie Mose
But then as I started doing their events, you know, I started meeting a lot more people that they call them Wraith Raph.
00:08:42
Jamie Mose
And so, yes. And so I started meeting a lot more people. Now i have some really great friends that are all with the Wraith Raph. And then, of course, I've met other people along the way, different groups and things like that. And so, again, like I said, I've got a lot of friends all across the U.S. and I have some people, you know, in different countries now that I'm friends with. So, It's, it's, it's been a really interesting ride and so, so, so, so much fun. I've always said when I was younger, I'd always said, I said, I wish there was something that I loved so much to do, you know, that I would give up pretty much everything.
00:08:43
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, that's good.
00:09:20
Jamie Mose
Found it. So that's why usually all my money goes to usually traveling, going to events, things like that. I don't go on a vacation unless there's someplace that I'm going to that's haunted.
00:09:33
Lee Hatfield
definite I like how you think. I like that idea.
00:09:35
Jamie Mose
Yeah.
00:09:36
Lee Hatfield
But funnily enough, when was in the UK, we went to a ah World War II museum and the wife was talking to the owner and... We obviously got onto the subject and he's actually invited us to come and do an investigation at his museum in England. way You do realise that we live in Canada. went, yeah, and?
00:09:56
Jamie Mose
yeah
00:09:57
Lee Hatfield
so So he's actually invited us. That'd be cool. So
Notable Paranormal Encounters
00:10:01
Lee Hatfield
out of all the times that you've been on these all these investigations, are there any particular ones that stand out for you?
00:10:10
Jamie Mose
Oh, gosh, that's a hard question. Probably, um i would say, have to say Waverly Hills. Every time I've gone to Waverly Hills, you know, and and we do some private investigations, like me and some of my friends, we'll just get together and we'll rent someplace like we've rented ah Waverly Hills. We've rented Brushing Mountain State Penitentiary. Yeah.
00:10:32
Jamie Mose
drawing a blank but we've been you know lots of different places but waverly hills is probably the most active every time we go i always get voices footsteps uh we got a rock thrown at us um all kinds of shadow people in there and then phantom smells and whistles you know i've got whistles right in my ear and just so much activity.
00:10:51
Jamie Mose
But Brushy Mountain State Penitentiary was also really awesome. I really like going there. I'm trying to think now. Alcatraz was awesome. Loved Alcatraz.
00:11:03
Lee Hatfield
Mm-hmm.
00:11:03
Jamie Mose
um Didn't get get a lot of activity, but it was just... awesome to be there. We stayed at the Lizzie Borden house. We got a few EVPs there. That was pretty cool. I just went to Trans-Allegheny again. I've been there. I think this is my fourth or fifth time going, but Trans-Allegheny is also very active. Every time we go, we get footsteps, we get voices. um We've gotten a couple of cool EVPs from Dean. I'm not sure. Are you familiar with Trans-Allegheny?
00:11:30
Lee Hatfield
I know of it. It's a place I want to go, but I've not really looked into it. So you you booked this date because you knew that you were going to Trans-Allegheny last weekend, I think it was.
00:11:41
Jamie Mose
Yeah, about two yeah but two weekends ago.
00:11:42
Lee Hatfield
So, yeah. So please give us all that information.
00:11:47
Jamie Mose
Well, um number one, it is massive. It is huge. And so even when we went to events, I think there were 60 people at this event, but there's four floors.
00:11:58
Jamie Mose
And then, you know, you get 15 people split up on each floor and you can go way off by yourself. And that's what I like to do. i like to investigate by myself because I don't want anybody interrupting me or you know, anything.
00:12:10
Jamie Mose
And again, we got footsteps. We got, um there is one room where this guy named Dean was killed. Um, he was actually, I think he was 32 years old, but he had the mind of a nine year old and these two guys were bullies and they would hang hung him up from, um, the rafters, I guess.
00:12:27
Jamie Mose
And then they would choke him out and then they would let him back down and let him breathe and wake up. They did it several times. And then finally he wouldn't die. So finally they put, um, the leg of the bed on his head and jumped until they killed him.
00:12:43
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, of I've heard that story. Yeah.
00:12:45
Jamie Mose
Yeah. And so Dean stays in that room where he was killed and he's usually very active. Like we had our equipment set up and he was setting everything off. um And then, but like I said, we, we always get pretty good EVPs with him because of course we try to talk to him on his level. And so we were talking about birthdays and we were talking about cake. And so we were asking him, you know, do you like a cake? And he says, i like chocolate.
00:13:11
Jamie Mose
So we got that EVP. That was super cool. But oh gosh, yeah, Trans-Allegheny, it's so active.
00:13:15
Lee Hatfield
That's cool.
00:13:18
Jamie Mose
um We heard a little girl giggle in one the hallways. And then we heard, it sounded like one the wooden chairs scooting across the wooden floor. No, we didn't get to see it. We just heard it.
00:13:29
Jamie Mose
But oh gosh, that place is so active. And I just love it there.
00:13:36
Lee Hatfield
So you would you would move in there if you had to add the chance then, would you?
00:13:38
Jamie Mose
Oh, yes but Definitely.
00:13:42
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. it's like It's weird how like anybody that that does investigating always has like a wish list. And Trans-Allegheny is always close to, if not at the top of that wish list.
00:13:51
Jamie Mose
Yes.
00:13:57
Jamie Mose
yes
00:13:58
Lee Hatfield
Like I say, yeah it's on our wish list as well.
00:14:00
Lee Hatfield
but yeah yeah America's quite a big country. is a lot of like and but We don't all have as much money as you do to go traveling all the time. Yeah.
00:14:09
Jamie Mose
Oh, the only reason I have it is because I don't spend it on anything else
00:14:13
Lee Hatfield
Okay, fair point. Fair point. I can't argue with that. So with the fact that you've been on so many investigations, are you aware of or do you know if you actually have any abilities?
00:14:25
Jamie Mose
I do not.
00:14:27
Lee Hatfield
No.
00:14:27
Jamie Mose
I do
Does Jamie Have Paranormal Abilities?
00:14:28
Jamie Mose
not.
00:14:28
Jamie Mose
and That's why.
00:14:28
Lee Hatfield
No, you're like me.
00:14:29
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:14:30
Jamie Mose
That's why I have to use equipment and things because I, the only time I can sense anything. And I know i hate to use this word because I know everybody throws it around all the time because of all the years I've been doing this, I've been doing it for 25, almost 26 years. I've only run into three demonic entities.
00:14:51
Jamie Mose
And so um now my body can sense when it's demonic because I get ah cold up my spine and my stomach twists and my body reacts.
00:15:03
Jamie Mose
That's the only time I can really sense anything. But other than like human spirits and things like that, I don't sense anything. Everybody always says, oh, do you feel that? No, I don't feel anything.
00:15:14
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, it's I was talking to a ah younger girl, younger than me because I'm old, from California, JJ Rose. I don't know if you know her.
00:15:26
Jamie Mose
I don't think so. might have saw her face.
00:15:27
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, she's...
00:15:28
Jamie Mose
I'm not sure.
00:15:29
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Got blondie white hair. And she actually said, oh, do you ah when I was doing the podcast with you see spirits is like, no, no, don't think I do. And she went, don't BS me. You do. But you just don't admit the fact. to the way Oh, OK.
00:15:48
Lee Hatfield
So shed yeah she said, well, yeah you probably you you may be a sensitive. And I went. OK, I'll take your word for it, because i I'm like you. I don't think I have any abilities.
00:16:01
Lee Hatfield
But she told me that I do. So we'll we'll have to see how that develops.
00:16:06
Jamie Mose
Yes.
00:16:07
Jamie Mose
Well, and I've been told the same thing by several psychics. They're like, oh, you have abilities. You just don't. You don't use them enough or whatever. And I'm like, I don't know how to use them. If you tell me how to use them, I would.
00:16:07
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:16:17
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah, exactly and I'm exactly the same. z It's not as easy as what they make it out to be because yeah you've got you've got to like meditate.
00:16:25
Jamie Mose
Yeah.
00:16:27
Lee Hatfield
and like i I struggle to sit still at the best of times. I'm not going to sit there and meditate.
00:16:33
Jamie Mose
Yeah.
00:16:34
Lee Hatfield
no yeah is it Is there an easy way of doing this? Because I think it would be much better. So one thing that I do want to talk about, and a lot of people would would actually call you crazy.
Collecting Haunted Dolls
00:16:48
Jamie Mose
Oh, yes.
00:16:49
Lee Hatfield
you you You collect haunted dolls and haunted objects.
00:16:55
Jamie Mose
Yes.
00:16:56
Lee Hatfield
So I'm going to ask you, are you crazy?
00:16:59
Jamie Mose
Yes.
00:17:00
Lee Hatfield
okay okay phil Okay, that's it.
00:17:02
Jamie Mose
Yes.
00:17:03
Lee Hatfield
End of the podcast. we She's crazy. That's all we need to know.
00:17:05
Jamie Mose
Yeah.
00:17:06
Lee Hatfield
So how how did that come about?
00:17:09
Jamie Mose
Well, it was the strangest thing. um i was actually at a paranormal conference and they were having an auction. And they said there was this one doll that was haunted. Well, of course I was like, okay, whatever.
00:17:22
Jamie Mose
You know, because at the beginning, of course I was total skeptic.
00:17:22
Lee Hatfield
Oh yeah.
00:17:25
Jamie Mose
Cause I was like, this is not real. Y'all are just faking, you know, and I'll, you know, when people would say things, but then of course I started seeing things, hearing things, couldn't explain it. And I'm like, okay, something's going on here. But anyways, um but I am saw this doll and I just had this pull towards her for some reason. And so me and this one girl went to a bidding auction.
00:17:49
Jamie Mose
I mean, ah I'm sorry, bidding war. And and so we kept going up, going up, going up. And finally, I told her, I said, I will sell my house to get this doll. So you might as well back off.
00:18:00
Jamie Mose
So she finally did. And I finally got the doll. But I don't know what the draw was to her, but I had to have her. And I was going to pretty much max out a credit card to get her.
00:18:12
Jamie Mose
Luckily, I didn't have to.
00:18:13
Lee Hatfield
Amen. amen
00:18:13
Jamie Mose
But, you know, but so when I brought her home, you know, I did spirit box session with her. I did dowsing rods, you know, i just did different things with her. And I got some um responses from her. And that shocked me, you know, because I was like, wow. So anyway, so over time, you know, I started, I would say that's probably maybe my own my um My only really, I guess, sensitivity or whatever is to haunted dolls. i can I have a pull towards them. I can feel like a pull. And so whenever I'm in like antique stores or anywhere, you know, and I'll go up to a doll and I'm like, nope, not haunted. Nope, not haunted. And then I'm like, this one has something attached.
00:18:57
Jamie Mose
I don't know why. i don't know. But almost, I mean, almost every single time I've been correct. Because when we bring the doll home or if someone has any gadgets or anything, we'll check it out.
00:19:07
Jamie Mose
And sure enough, there'll be something attached to that doll. And so over time, I've bought my own dolls, but then I've inherited some dolls, you know, because ah people have kind of gotten craziness, I guess, spreads.
00:19:10
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:19:19
Jamie Mose
But anyways, people... But people have found out my name and things like that. And so um so they'll get a doll and it freaks them out. They'll start having nightmares and they'll start hearing things and things like that. So they'll ask me if I'll take the doll and I'm like, sure. And so, but when I bring the doll home, i always have ah a talk with them and I always tell them, I will give you a nice place to stay. You know, I give them their own case and ah nobody's going to bother you. You know, nobody's going to touch you or anything, but you have to play nice with everybody else that's here. And if you try to act up and do something silly, you're going to go out in the storage building and not be around anybody else. So I've not had any trouble with any of the dolls.
00:20:00
Jamie Mose
Yeah, but that they'll move occasionally. And I don't mean like move fast, but they'll, um, I have two dolls that like to face me. So when I put them in their case, I'll, you know, put them nice and straight. But then where I sit on the couch, and I have one end that I usually sit on all the time. They will turn eventually and they'll face me so they can see me on the couch. Why they like to stare at me. I don't know, but I just leave them. Yeah.
00:20:25
Lee Hatfield
That is so cool. And I ah love it how when you see dolls for sale, you'll see a sign going, doll for sale, not haunted.
00:20:34
Jamie Mose
Yeah.
00:20:37
Jamie Mose
Yes.
00:20:37
Lee Hatfield
So do you do any, apart from having a chat with them, do you do kind of like any kind of protection like crystals or anything like that about around the dolls or if you do you just have a chat with them and just leave it to it?
00:20:54
Jamie Mose
Yeah, I just just have a chat with them. I've not ever really needed to do anything for protection. Like I said, they've always been good. You know, once I have a talk with them and and they get in the house, I've not had any trouble with any of them. But they will, you know, like I said, if I get a spirit box out, I'll try to have sessions with them occasionally. And I found out their names. I found out when they were born, when they died, how they died.
00:21:16
Jamie Mose
You know, I find out a lot of information from them. So it's really interesting. And then when I do go to either paranormal conferences, because some people will ask me to speak, you know, about haunted dolls and other haunted objects. I'll, I'll get my dowsing rods and I'll ask them who wants to go with me. I don't just force them to go.
00:21:32
Jamie Mose
and so I'll ask them who wants to go. And I have three that are usually the first ones to say that they want to go. And then they will sometimes put on a show because, you know, I'll let people come up with dowsing rods and K2 meters, whatever. And they'll light everything up and they'll answer on the dowsing rods and things like that. So people, it kind of freaks them out too is how how active they'll be with them. But if they want to do it, I'll let them do it. So
00:21:58
Lee Hatfield
That's interesting. So have you actually had any, i know you said that they move and though they like facing you, but have you had any experiences with you with the haunted dolls that you can't really explain?
00:22:14
Jamie Mose
Yes, and there's been a couple of things like every rare once in a while, I'll hear somebody call my name. But that's kind of a a thing that happens though with some people, but it comes from their area. So I'm like, and then just like the other day i was going to leave for, I think it's I was going to, I was flying in Pittsburgh and then going to Trans-Allegheny. So I told them, I said, I'm going to, and I always let them know when I'm going to be gone and when I'll be back. And so I said, I'm going be gone for about four days. And I said, I'll be back on Sunday. So I turned my back and was getting my luggage and things. And i heard mama,
00:22:52
Jamie Mose
And it came from their area. And so I turned around and I was like, no, I'm not your mama, but I'm like, okay. I said, I'll be back. Don't worry. So yeah, just every once a while.
00:23:02
Lee Hatfield
So have you asked have you had to send any to they out to the outhouse that have been naughty? No?
00:23:10
Jamie Mose
Nope. Nope. Now, like i said, they not ever tried to scare me. They not ever tried to hurt me or anything like that. Like I said, I've just heard some voices. Now, at one time that I really can't explain it. I don't know if it was them or what. But one time I did forget I was in a hurry. i had gotten off work early and I came home, grabbed everything and took off out the door and forgot to tell them that I was leaving and when I'll be back.
00:23:36
Jamie Mose
So when I came home, I went to the refrigerator and when I opened the door, everything had been pushed to the front and fell out on the floor. And I thought, so looked all around. I thought, was there an earthquake or did something happen? You I looked all around. Everything was straight. All the pictures on the wall were straight.
00:23:55
Jamie Mose
Nothing was moved. So the only thing was all the food had been moved to the front of the refrigerator and fell on the floor whenever I opened the door. I said maybe it was them getting mad at me because they know I like to eat.
00:24:09
Jamie Mose
I'm all about food. And so I thought, did they do that? Because they got mad at me because I forgot to tell them that I was leaving and when I was coming back. But I couldn't explain how all the food got pushed to the front and fell out.
00:24:21
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:24:22
Jamie Mose
Like I said, I don't know. But that is something unexplained I couldn't figure out. Right.
00:24:27
Lee Hatfield
That'll teach you. That'll teach you Don't do that again.
00:24:30
Jamie Mose
Right.
00:24:31
Lee Hatfield
so yeah So we mentioned haunted dolls and haunted objects. So what kind of objects do you have that have got attachments?
Haunted Objects Collection Expands
00:24:42
Jamie Mose
um I do have like, I've got some bricks from different ah haunted buildings. Don't ask me how I got them. But anyways, and then I have.
00:24:52
Lee Hatfield
Jamie, how did you get them?
00:24:56
Jamie Mose
I don't know. They just appeared in my luggage. Yeah.
00:24:59
Lee Hatfield
no Oh, Madam, can you open your suitcase? No, I'm okay. i'm okay
00:25:05
Jamie Mose
But then i have um I have some like coffin nails. I have, let me look around here. can't think. um
00:25:13
Jamie Mose
I don't I just have some different things. Oh, I've got some um glassware, like ah bottles that came from different haunted places. um just Just kind of different items and stuff, especially things that if I find something at a haunted place, you know, tends to end up in my pocket.
00:25:34
Lee Hatfield
okay we we need to have a chat this is this is called kleptomania
00:25:38
Jamie Mose
Now, I don't take anything from inside the building.
00:25:40
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:25:41
Jamie Mose
Nothing from inside the building, just the outside. let Let me make that clear.
00:25:44
Lee Hatfield
it's like huh like i what i wonder how this got in my pocket so what kind of experiences have you had with haunted objects and
00:25:58
Jamie Mose
Um, not a whole lot, you know, the other, other than maybe just some K2 meter activity that I can't explain. But as far as that, I don't, i haven't gotten anything on any of my spirit boxes or anything, just K2 activity and periscope. I do have some of the older periscopes that are not made anymore. Um, and, and they'll light up and things like that, but that's about all I've gotten from them. I don't really get voices or anything like that.
00:26:28
Jamie Mose
Oh,
00:26:28
Lee Hatfield
So, yeah, for sure.
00:26:31
Lee Hatfield
When you get visitors to your house, apart from the fact that they run down the street screaming, what's what's the general consensus when people see the dolls and see the other objects?
00:26:39
Jamie Mose
ah huh
00:26:46
Jamie Mose
they usually get a look on their face like, I do not want to be here.
00:26:46
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:26:50
Jamie Mose
And then they'll look at me like, what is wrong with you?
00:26:56
Jamie Mose
Yeah, I've had some guys like I furniture delivered before.
00:26:57
Lee Hatfield
Oh,
00:27:00
Jamie Mose
and yeah, they they finally said, what is the deal with those dolls? I said, well, they're haunted. And then one guy was like, I know that one has been staring at me ever since I came in here.
00:27:15
Lee Hatfield
that's awesome.
00:27:16
Jamie Mose
Yeah.
00:27:16
Jamie Mose
So, yeah, they don't they don't care for him
00:27:16
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, because...
00:27:17
Lee Hatfield
yes
00:27:20
Lee Hatfield
My wife's got some ceramic dolls and she says, if ever I want to get rid of ah rid of them, I'm just going to put them on eBay and say haunted and see see how see how quickly they go.
00:27:29
Jamie Mose
Yeah.
00:27:32
Lee Hatfield
It's I've got a contact now. We'll be good. We'll be good.
00:27:36
Jamie Mose
Oh yeah. Just send to me.
00:27:38
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, I know that you've done many different locations, not just in the US, but you had the opportunity to go to my neck of the woods in the UK.
00:27:53
Lee Hatfield
So how did that have happen and what happened when you went?
Investigations Abroad
00:27:58
Jamie Mose
Well, ah when we went to the UK, we got to actually investigate. Well, this was not planned, but the hellfire caves. What happened was, is they were, it was, um you know, timed.
00:28:07
Lee Hatfield
Oh, yeah.
00:28:11
Jamie Mose
And so we got the last ticket of the day to make sure that, you know, we had time to go lollygag around and then go. Over there. Well, when we went when we went there, the people that were ahead of us had already come out of the cave and they were um just sitting there having a drink.
00:28:24
Jamie Mose
And so me and my friend Carmen, we got to go inside the cave and we were the only ones there. And we had like an hour and a half and we investigated. We checked everything out.
00:28:34
Jamie Mose
We got a rock thrown at us in there. ah My friend got poked in the side. We heard footsteps. We heard voices. It was crazy in there. It was awesome. And it was just one of those...
00:28:46
Jamie Mose
happen to be kind of things, you know, and then we got to go to the, um, we went to Scotland, so in the Edinburgh vaults and while we were in there, some footsteps and I always kind of stay behind the crowd because I, you know, i i want to be left alone.
00:28:59
Lee Hatfield
Oh, yeah.
00:29:01
Jamie Mose
Well, we saw a, um, a shadow person in there and then some footsteps came up right behind me. And of course I was at the very last. And so I turned around with my flashlight, nobody there.
00:29:12
Jamie Mose
and so um oh yeah and then let's see what else did we get to do ah oh we went to the uh the catacombs paris catacombs that was amazing um now there were too many people milling around so we really didn't get to do a whole lot of investigating per se but i had a couple pieces of equipment with me and every once in a while my k2 meter would like like all the way up to red But again, there were people around, so I don't know if it may have been their cell phones, but I would try to stay away from them as much as possible.
00:29:38
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Yeah.
00:29:45
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:29:45
Jamie Mose
So I was pretty far away from them when it went off, but... can't say 100%. And then, um oh gosh, i'm I'm drawing a blank. I can't think where all I went. Oh, we stayed at Dalhousie Castle in Bonnybrigg, Scotland. 600-year-old castle.
00:30:02
Jamie Mose
Oh my goodness. That was amazing. We got to go investigate because we were like, there was, I think maybe five of us in the castle. Of course, the other people were there just a vacation. Well, me and my friend, we were there to investigate. So we went downstairs where the... um Oh gosh, what is it called? the um Where they kept the prisoners.
00:30:22
Lee Hatfield
dungeons.
00:30:23
Jamie Mose
Yes, thank you, the dungeon. Sorry, brain. Anyways, um so we went down to the dungeon and we they they said that there was a um the king had a mistress and that the mistress the queen found out about the mistress and the mistress disappeared. They never even found her body. They they found nothing of her. Well, we got her name was Catherine. And so we got an EVP of a female voice saying Catherine.
00:30:49
Jamie Mose
So that was amazing. And then, um, I'm trying to think what else happened there. I'm drawing a blank, but, um, of course we had a lot of meter activity and things like that there, but we didn't have anything happen in our room.
00:31:03
Jamie Mose
It was only when we were out and about in the castle. Um, and then let's see, where else did we go? We went to Stonehenge, but that was an investigation. That was just to check it out. Um,
00:31:15
Jamie Mose
Of course, when we we went to Ireland, you know, we went actually to the Hellfire Club there.
00:31:21
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:31:21
Jamie Mose
That was amazing. Yeah, that was really, really neat. And then we got to go investigate Lep Castle when we were there, Blackwater Castle. own Now, Lepcastle, we got a lot of activity. We got to talk to two different spirits on the spirit boxes. And one was actually a um a slave.
00:31:42
Jamie Mose
And he said that he did something to a cow. I can't remember now exactly what happened, but he did something to a cow and it died. So they stabbed him to death because because, you know, the cow was worth more than he was. And so they killed him. And then another one was a soldier that we talked to. um And then we got, oh, what's it called? The Bloody Chapel. We were up in there and we got one spirit that was kind of scared and nervous. And so we talked to him and and we think we may have crossed him over. We're not 100% sure, but we prayed for him and asked for the light to come in, you know, because he was scared. And so we just wanted him to cross over and and be able to get out of that situation. So We think he did because he didn't answer us anymore after he saw the light. So not sure. But um let's see. What other castles did we go to? We went to some abbeys. Oh,
00:32:34
Jamie Mose
oh my gosh. I'm just drawing a blank. We went so many places there. It was just amazing.
00:32:38
Lee Hatfield
So the next time you go to the UK, if you do need a translator, I'm the guy. OK, just let me know.
00:32:45
Jamie Mose
Okay.
00:32:48
Jamie Mose
Okay.
00:32:49
Lee Hatfield
it's So after doing all this investigating and going on investigation with the race chases and going to my neck of the woods, how did respectful ghost hunting come about?
Co-authoring a Book on Ghost Hunting
00:33:05
Jamie Mose
and Well, me and my one of my friends, you know, we have been around a lot of people that investigate and, you know, you see the people that they break into places and don't ask for permission and trespass and things like that. And then, of course, the spirits, you know, whenever they um go in there and they're like, I demand that you show yourself. I demand that you do this, blah, blah, blah.
00:33:29
Jamie Mose
we don't like that. You know, these are human spirits. Be respectful to them. You're in their home. Usually, you know, even if it's, a building that they are just hanging around. That's their spot.
00:33:41
Jamie Mose
You know, that's where they stay. So be respectful of the place that they're staying and don't get in their face and don't, because even like us, whenever we go someplace, we, and we introduce ourselves. I tell them where we're from. We sit down. We don't yell. We don't holler because they're not deaf. Yeah.
00:34:01
Jamie Mose
So, yeah.
00:34:01
Lee Hatfield
Oh yeah.
00:34:01
Lee Hatfield
that
00:34:02
Jamie Mose
So we sit down and a lot of times we just talk about normal things. Like, like we were talking about while ago, birthday cake, you know, we'll ask them, Hey, what was your favorite food? What was your favorite drink?
00:34:14
Jamie Mose
You know, what did you, you know, we try to talk them about things that we don't sit there and say, when did you die? How did you die? You know, over and over. Cause that's a question that gets asked so many times. And over time, you know, if we get them talking and stuff, we might say, well, Hey, you know,
00:34:28
Jamie Mose
How did you die? Or, you know, we might throw that in down the road, but, but to get them talking, you know, you want to just talk to them like a normal person. you don't go in there demand, you know, cause it's just like, if you're coming into my house and you demand me to get up make you sandwich, do you think I'm going to do it?
00:34:42
Jamie Mose
Nope. I'm probably go to throw something at you or bite you or scratch you
00:34:48
Jamie Mose
So,
00:34:48
Lee Hatfield
Oh, thank you very much.
00:34:49
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, I'll be right round.
00:34:49
Jamie Mose
yeah yeah. But if you were to come in and sit down and introduce yourself and talk to me like a normal person, you know, more than likely I'm going to talk back. yeah.
00:35:01
Jamie Mose
So that's what we try to do. And so that's what what we did was we wrote the book about, you know, be respectful about everything. And then we, you know, we wrote about how to use a lot of the equipment, how it works and and the theories behind them and things like that. And then we told some of our stories, you know, so yeah, it was just,
00:35:19
Jamie Mose
I don't say we threw it together, but it was just something that we came up with. And the the main important part was to please be respectful. And definitely when you go into these haunted places, be respectful of the buildings because these people, the people that own them, you know, are spending so much money to try to keep upkeep and things like that. And it infuriates me when I hear about investigators going in there and throwing trash or breaking something and not telling anybody and things like that. That is so disrespectful.
00:35:47
Jamie Mose
So...
00:35:47
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and my mentality is ah exactly the same same as yours.
00:35:53
Lee Hatfield
Start off with, I actually like going and wandering off by myself and doing my own little thing.
00:35:58
Jamie Mose
Yes.
00:35:59
Lee Hatfield
And I i find myself apologising for asking the same old questions. It's like, I'm really sorry. Yeah, we are here for a reason.
00:36:10
Lee Hatfield
We love your property. yeah and ah about You're actually apologising. And it's like, that's...
00:36:15
Jamie Mose
yes
00:36:17
Lee Hatfield
One of my colleagues, he kind of gets a little bit, I'm going to use the term aggressive, because yeah I've had a stroke down the face, I've had my hand held, I've seen what I thought was an apparition, and he doesn't get anything, so he gets frustrated.
00:36:38
Lee Hatfield
So he will kind of raise his voice a little bit. So I always kind of go and wander off and go, yeah, sort of like, yeah, yeah um I'm here to to communicate with you. I apologize for asking the same old boring questions and and stuff that. And you do try to have a conversation with you.
00:36:55
Jamie Mose
yes
00:36:57
Lee Hatfield
And when you when you're talking to people, what did you do at the weekend? Oh, yeah, I sat in the dark and spoke to myself for like eight hours. Oh, okay, really cool. Yeah. So what what was zo was what was the response with respect for ghost hunting?
00:37:06
Jamie Mose
Yeah. yeah
00:37:12
Jamie Mose
Well, we, um a lot of people liked it and um you know, I think a lot of people learned it from learning about the ah equipment and things like that. But actually what people liked the most was actually our stories that we told about the places we'd been and the things we saw and heard and things like that. And that surprised me because you know a lot of people have asked me, when are you going to write another book? And I'm like, I just don't think people are that interested in my stories.
00:37:39
Jamie Mose
it's But a lot of people ask me about it. So I keep saying one of these days I may do it. So, but yeah, it was a lot of people actually really liked it.
00:37:47
Lee Hatfield
But you say that. Yeah.
00:37:50
Jamie Mose
now And I wrote the book or we wrote the book probably what, three or four years ago. And I'm still selling copies of them. So.
00:37:58
Lee Hatfield
Got to be doing something right.
00:37:59
Jamie Mose
yeah
00:38:01
Lee Hatfield
So when are doing your next book? notice But you you're right, though, because people do like hearing stories because we we go to a Comic-Con convention.
00:38:14
Lee Hatfield
i mean Me and the wife are actually involved with it before, but they they've invited us to to have a booth and to have some of our equipment. And the amount of people that we get coming up to the table and going...
00:38:29
Lee Hatfield
There was this one time when, and then they go on to tell you about their stories. So until people actually realize what you do and you're doing it for the right reasons, then more people will come up to you.
00:38:41
Jamie Mose
Mm-hmm.
00:38:44
Lee Hatfield
They want to hear about your experiences yeah and your stories, and they will open up and then they will tell you their experiences and stories too.
00:38:56
Jamie Mose
Oh, yes. I get a lot of that. A lot of people, you know, they say, well, people think I'm crazy when I talk about it. But since you do this, you know, what do you think about it? And they tell me their stories. And and I mean, I love listening to their stories, too, because it's amazing, you know, the stuff that they get to see in here. And I'm like, no, where's this house?
00:39:14
Jamie Mose
Can I get in there?
00:39:16
Lee Hatfield
but And it's right because since I've been doing this podcast and like I only started in February, even my work colleagues, it's like, oh, got any interviews this week?
00:39:28
Lee Hatfield
And it's like, oh, who are you talking to tonight? Or are you talking to next week? And like yeah so and some of them actually follow follow the podcast as well and they go, oh, that one last week was really good about X, Y, and Z.
00:39:32
Jamie Mose
Yes.
00:39:39
Lee Hatfield
yeah And it's it like say, it opens people up and i I always tell people that I always find there's two two kinds of groups.
00:39:50
Lee Hatfield
The group like us that want to do things the correct way, are courteous, polite, and to want to try to prove the existence of.
00:39:59
Jamie Mose
yes
00:40:00
Lee Hatfield
And then you've got the other ones that just go out, I'm going to say it, for shits and giggles, and just go out yeah just to be scared at a weekend.
00:40:08
Jamie Mose
yeah.
00:40:09
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, so you've always got the two kinds. But like I say, the amount we was actually went to a coffee shop, and we'd got our T-shirts on. And this old guy turned tapped it on his shoulder. don I just went the back your T-shirt. He goes, do you really do it? Yeah, we do.
00:40:25
Lee Hatfield
Well, I'll tell you this story. And it's like this is the middle of a coffee shop. So it's like, OK.
00:40:31
Jamie Mose
Well, one time ah me and one of my friends, we went to a waffle house. I don't know if you're familiar with those, but that's a little breakfast place here in in the U.S.
00:40:38
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:40:38
Jamie Mose
And so anyway, it was like late at night. We had been to this lunatic asylum. And so anyways, we were just going to grab some but breakfast and then go to the hotel. So it's about midnight. And so we sit down and then all a sudden we hear the real heavy glass door. I mean, there's no way the wind would have to be super strong to get that door to move because we had trouble getting in the door. So anyways, it opened and closed. And so, of course, my first reaction is to turn around and look and see who came in.
00:41:08
Jamie Mose
There was nobody there. And so um the little waitress, she goes, oh, that's our ghost. And I'm like, what? Excuse me?
00:41:15
Lee Hatfield
Oh, yeah.
00:41:16
Jamie Mose
Yeah.
00:41:16
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:41:17
Jamie Mose
And I'm like, what ghost? What do you mean? And so she started telling us that there was actually like four different ghosts that stay there at the Waffle House because there was a man um that used to be the cook.
00:41:27
Jamie Mose
And I can't remember. He died of like an aneurysm, something crazy. And then a girl got killed in a car wreck. I believe that used to be a waitress. And then there was a man that was a veteran that came in there every day to eat. And he was the one that was coming in the door and he would, um, and just come and sit and he'll, they said, he'll flip things over, like flip the menu. He'll ah mess with the, um, utensils and things like that. But he's, they said he's the most active. Anyway, we're in there listening to all these stories and I'm like, wow, this is crazy. I can't believe we're coming into a haunted Waffle House. Then of course there's a woman in there and she goes, oh, I grew up in a haunted house. And so she started telling her stories.
00:42:04
Jamie Mose
So we were there till like two o'clock in the morning, just everybody telling stories. It was amazing though. We had so much fun, but yeah, you just never know.
00:42:11
Lee Hatfield
I love that and no that's it it's absolutely fabulous and the fact that you like traveling in June of this year the three main guys of the group went to a small hotel in Casanovia New York State called the Bray Lock-In you have to go there yeah so there's two two rooms that are the most haunted and i'm not a big fan of orbs because i always like to have a a natural explanation but we caught an orb that was spiraling from the ceiling then separated
00:42:37
Jamie Mose
Really? Mm
00:42:52
Jamie Mose
hmm.
00:42:58
Lee Hatfield
and we've sent it to people and we can't figure out what it is. And like yeah it's not like a normal orb. It just actually kind of. So yeah if it had been a bug, we'd have seen the bug. If it had fallen from paint from the ceiling, we'd have seen that.
00:43:12
Lee Hatfield
We cannot explain it. And then when we we're setting up the cameras, we had a little cabinet with a TV on top. The door just creaks open.
00:43:22
Lee Hatfield
And all it is is a cabinet with a little wooden latch on it. We then spent the next half an hour trying to recreate it, putting it yeah like a millimetre on the cap, and it wouldn't do it again.
00:43:30
Jamie Mose
enemy
00:43:35
Lee Hatfield
We were banging the sides and jumping up and down the floor. We couldn't get it to open. And we're there for two nights. And on the last night, we'd finished the investigation about 2 AM. we And they all the bedrooms have got these old four-poster beds. So I get into bed. It's got the old blankets on.
00:43:52
Lee Hatfield
I get comfortable. I've been in bed like 30 seconds. And you felt the old blanket settle, which you normally would do. But then a few seconds later, a really heavy sensation of somebody sitting on the bed. And I thought one of the guys from one of the from the other room would come in.
00:44:10
Lee Hatfield
And I hadn't heard him. Opened my eyes and a white apparition goes past the bed. And I'm like, oh, my God.
00:44:16
Jamie Mose
Oh.
00:44:19
Lee Hatfield
And I was so excited. And so someone says to me, what did you do? i i was so excited. I rolled over and went to sleep. No, because like we go there and that's what we want to see.
00:44:32
Jamie Mose
Yes.
00:44:33
Lee Hatfield
And when we do see it, it's like, yes.
00:44:35
Jamie Mose
Oh, yeah.
00:44:37
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. and So I highly recommend you go there because it's got some time slips in that location as well. So they've got a big a big windy ah stairs coming down.
00:44:45
Jamie Mose
how
00:44:50
Lee Hatfield
And about a year or so ago, a couple were look looking for the for the owner. noticed that this big what this big black door was open and a black tie party was going on.
00:45:01
Lee Hatfield
So they thought, okay, the owner's at the party. We'll come and find later. Turned around went back upstairs. When they found the owner, couple of hours later, she went, oh, how was the party? What party?
00:45:13
Lee Hatfield
they went, well, the big black door was open and there was a black tie party. She went, yeah, that black door's been sealed up for 50 years. And actually it actually creates the wall to the dining room. So you come down the stairs and walk past to an archway, you go through, and that's where the dining room is. So that door's been sealed, but they could see through it into a time slip.
00:45:34
Jamie Mose
Oh my goodness.
00:45:35
Lee Hatfield
So you have to go there.
00:45:38
Jamie Mose
I want to go there now.
00:45:39
Lee Hatfield
But yeah, yeah
00:45:39
Jamie Mose
<unk> Sure. Okay. Tell me the name again.
00:45:41
Lee Hatfield
but yeah The Bray Lock Inn, so B-R-A-E-L-O-C-H Inn.
00:45:48
Jamie Mose
Okay.
00:45:49
Lee Hatfield
And it's ah it's a lovely, oldie-worldie place.
00:45:49
Jamie Mose
Okay.
00:45:51
Lee Hatfield
you It's absolutely fascinating. And you get the free run of the entire building.
00:45:56
Jamie Mose
Oh, wow.
00:45:56
Lee Hatfield
we
00:45:56
Jamie Mose
Wow.
00:45:57
Lee Hatfield
There was guests staying there on the Saturday, and we were the only guests there on the Sunday. And she went, if you want to roam around the bar all night, be my guest. And she's so proactive.
00:46:10
Lee Hatfield
with paranormal investigators. So highly recommend that place. It's great. Great atmosphere. Yeah.
00:46:17
Jamie Mose
Okay. Well, thanks for telling me that. Cause yeah, I'm going to have to go for sure.
00:46:20
Lee Hatfield
No problem. Yeah. That's good. i put it Put it on your list. And when you when you go, you can message me and go, yeah, we went last weekend. It was really good.
00:46:29
Jamie Mose
Well, speaking of that though, that's what, um, one of my, uh, friends, we were in the,
00:46:29
Lee Hatfield
OK.
00:46:34
Jamie Mose
Anyway, a long story, but we were in the hotel after an investigation and that's what happened to us or something like that happened to us. We were um both in bed, you know, she, I was in my bed. She was in her bed. And, um and then she said, she said something to me and i was like, what? She said, don't pull my blankets. And I was like, I didn't pull your blanket, you know? And then,
00:46:56
Jamie Mose
and And so then she goes, oh, you know, she was like, OK, something just pull my blanket. And she said and then hit me in the back. And I was like, oh, really? I said, no, I'm over here. And then um and then I felt my bed go down like somebody sat on it. And so I kind of moved my feet. I was like, what are you doing? And she's answers me from over in the other bed. She's what do you mean? And I was like, somebody just sat on my bed.
00:47:20
Jamie Mose
I see this is how desensitized we are to it. She goes, OK, that's it. Whoever it is, get out. We're going to sleep.
00:47:29
Jamie Mose
we do talk about that, though, about and when you've done it for so long, you get really desensitized to it, kind of.
00:47:34
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, you do.
00:47:34
Jamie Mose
Yeah. so
00:47:36
Lee Hatfield
ah
00:47:36
Jamie Mose
Well, like we'll say, how'd y'all doing your investigation? We're like, oh, just one door opened and, you know, my hair got pulled. That was it. Not much. And and other people are like, oh, my gosh.
00:47:49
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, yeah. Because a few weeks ago, we went to this um this old place. It's about about an hour or so drive. And it's supposed to be there's supposed to be root some really good evidence.
00:48:01
Lee Hatfield
People have had their hair pulls and people have seen, you know, these little flags that stand on like desks. They're like, yay big.
00:48:07
Jamie Mose
Oh, yeah.
00:48:09
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, one of those just come out and then flop over and stuff like that. So we went... We started off the good ground. The ground floor's been completely put back to how it looked in the 1800s, but the upstairs is still being worked on.
00:48:25
Lee Hatfield
So it looks like it looks very run down, but they they raise money, do a little bit, raise money, do a little bit more. So yeah in time, it will but it'll all be back open.
00:48:36
Lee Hatfield
And I was up there, and I'm in like an alcove of a window, And all of a sudden, my hand got grabbed. And so my colleague was maybe six foot away.
00:48:50
Lee Hatfield
My immediate thought was, oh, it must have been a cobweb. But then I thought, I'm in an alcove. My shoulder or my arm would have taken out the cobweb. Plus, it was hanging out my pocket. My hand was.
00:49:03
Lee Hatfield
So it's like, OK, can I explain that? No. And we actually we actually had like NVR cameras everywhere. So the guy that was at the at the base station, he actually said, yeah, I noticed you spin around straight away when you got your hand.
00:49:16
Lee Hatfield
And then then I mentioned it. And he went, yeah, that that was a genuine response that was. And it's like, yep. When these kind of things happen to you and you don't expect them, it's even much more fun than rather than go, OK, I heard footsteps.
00:49:31
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, I hear those all the time. Or yeah or an EVP or something like that.
00:49:32
Jamie Mose
Yeah.
00:49:36
Lee Hatfield
So, do you, apart from the places you've already been to, do you have a bucket list of places you want to go Yeah.
00:49:46
Jamie Mose
Oh, yeah. Well, first, doll-wise, I still have not met Annabelle, so I want to meet Annabelle. And then I want to meet um Robert from ah Key West, Florida.
00:49:56
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:49:57
Jamie Mose
And then I would love to meet Howard, too. And um I think he's in... I'm trying to think now. I think he might be in Zach Bagans museum now. I'm not 100% sure, but, um, I know Peggy's there. Peggy's a very haunted doll.
00:50:11
Jamie Mose
Um, and places to go, definitely Mexico city to the haunted doll aisle island.
00:50:18
Lee Hatfield
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:50:19
Jamie Mose
dying dying to go there and one of the places i have not been yet but i've been so close and i don't i just need to go is eastern state penitentiary not been there um queen mary i want to go to the queen mary too yep not not ever been there so yeah there's quite a few that i still haven't been yet but i'm gonna make it one these days
00:50:31
Lee Hatfield
Oh, definitely. Definitely.
Future Plans and Collaborations
00:50:39
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Have you done or been to Eloise?
00:50:45
Jamie Mose
actually no eloise is another one yep no i have not
00:50:48
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, okay because that's not far over the border. But for us to get to that particular border is like an eight hour drive anyway. Because like where where yeah we are like not far from Montreal.
00:50:58
Jamie Mose
Oh,
00:51:02
Lee Hatfield
So he took to get down that far, you've still got to like go through Toronto. And that's a six to eight hour our journey before you even get to the border. So it's like, yeah, we'll fly.
00:51:12
Lee Hatfield
it be easier.
00:51:13
Jamie Mose
wow. Yeah.
00:51:15
Lee Hatfield
So we are coming towards the end. So what's next, apart from some of your locations, but i want I still want to know, what's next for Jamie Moe's
00:51:26
Jamie Mose
So um my next investigation will be down in Galveston, Texas um with the Kling brothers. um They used to be on Ghost Lab, but um this is probably this. And then I think they may have one or two more left. And then I believe that's going to be it for the paranormal for them because they're going to go ahead and retire from the paranormal.
00:51:48
Jamie Mose
so um So I'm excited to be able to get to hang with them a few more times, but we'll see. Maybe down the road they might try to do something else. But and unfortunately, though, um around April, I'm going to have to have back surgery. And then after that, I'll have to have neck surgery. And so I'm going to have to kind of put everything un hold for a little bit.
00:52:09
Jamie Mose
So.
00:52:11
Lee Hatfield
That sucks.
00:52:11
Jamie Mose
Yes, it does.
00:52:12
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. The thing is, out yeah getting old sucks.
00:52:16
Jamie Mose
Yes.
00:52:16
Lee Hatfield
Trust me. yeah Oh, yeah, for sure.
00:52:17
Jamie Mose
always tell everybody that it's not for wimps.
00:52:21
Lee Hatfield
So we mentioned offline that we both got the connection to the health service. Have you actually had any experiences while you've been involved with the health service?
00:52:32
Jamie Mose
Well, actually, the clinic I work in is a tribal facility. I can't mention the tribe. But anyways, um but it there used to be a Native American school there on the grounds. And so, um oh, yeah. I mean, there's all kinds of stuff that happened in that building, but we're not supposed to talk about it.
00:52:52
Jamie Mose
But doors will open on their own. We'll hear voices. um All kinds of stuff happens. But. One really interesting thing happened with a patient. Her daughter had passed away. And um so i i was doing an exercise with her that she used this little, just little rubber ball. And so I had set it on the table with the head up.
00:53:13
Jamie Mose
And so the head was up like this and put the ball here, kind of like in a little crack. And so We were talking about things and talking about the paranormal. And she was saying that she knew that her daughter was around her and like little things would happen and things like that. And that's what told her. I said, yes, I'm sure she is, you know. And so we're talking and she's getting emotional and the ball goes uphill.
00:53:39
Jamie Mose
from where it was up the table. And we both saw it and her jaw dropped and I was like, she's here. She's here right now. So that, that was with a patient.
00:53:47
Lee Hatfield
Oh, man.
00:53:48
Jamie Mose
So that was, that was really cool to see that because I knew her daughter was there. So yeah, it was neat.
00:53:55
Lee Hatfield
See, it's always cool when those kind of things happen in your place in your place of work or things like that.
00:53:59
Jamie Mose
Oh yeah.
00:54:02
Lee Hatfield
And it's just very fun.
00:54:03
Jamie Mose
Oh yeah.
00:54:05
Lee Hatfield
Jamie, it's been an absolute pleasure.
00:54:08
Jamie Mose
Oh yeah, me too.
00:54:08
Lee Hatfield
I can't believe ah can't believe that I'm talking to a kleptomaniac, but hey.
00:54:13
Jamie Mose
Only from the outside. There's no claim on it.
00:54:16
Lee Hatfield
Okay, okay, okay.
00:54:16
Jamie Mose
Well,
00:54:17
Lee Hatfield
okay But like I say, it's been an absolute pleasure. I thank you for your time. Hopefully we can talk again soon and we'll definitely stay in touch because I want to hear some more about your locations. But for now, thanks very much. It's been an absolute pleasure.
00:54:32
Lee Hatfield
You have a great rest of the evening.
00:54:34
Jamie Mose
you too. Thank you.
00:54:35
Lee Hatfield
Thank you. Bye-bye.
00:54:36
Jamie Mose
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