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S2 E4 Dr. Jo Szewczyk - Author, Investigator, filmamaker, and Podcast Host
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This week I was delighted to talk with one of my good friends, Dr. Jo Szewczyk (its ok, I couldn’t pronounce it either)
Jo is an Award-Winning Journalist & Filmmaker, Former Paranormal Investigator, Host of the What’s Kraken, and Co-host of the Streamin’ Demons Podcast
Jo spoke about his early days in Wisconsin, where he started experiencing supernatural and paranormal moments.
We spoke about his Time slip, recurring nightmare moment, as well as how he started investigating, researching and eventually hosting multiple podcasts.
He did his own random commercials, then told me how he learned the art of hypnosis and past regression
This was a fun episode, as it’s easier to catch fog, than it is to control Jo in an interview.
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Transcript
Intro
Introduction and Guest Overview
00:00:11
Lee Hatfield
Hello, everybody, and welcome to the latest episode of SIPA Paranormal Chronicles, the first one I'm recording of 2026. twenty twenty six This is going to be a bad episode.
00:00:22
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Liar is 2025. Don't not listen this man.
00:00:28
Lee Hatfield
I can tell you from the get go. I might I might delete her afterwards. Don't worry about it. Today, would say I'm delighted, but I'm probably going to regret that. I have doc.
00:00:37
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
You will do not worry.
00:00:39
Lee Hatfield
Shut up. I'm doing the introduction.
00:00:41
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Oh, sorry. To whom?
00:00:42
Lee Hatfield
Dr. Joe Shefcek, but when you look at his name, it says nothing like Shefcek, trust me.
00:00:43
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yes. Oh, that's me.
00:00:48
Lee Hatfield
Joe is an award-winning journalist, filmmaker, former paranormal investigator,
00:00:57
Lee Hatfield
podcast host, and he's got a lot of other crap.
00:01:01
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And near the well.
00:01:02
Lee Hatfield
light Apparently, he's Olympic sport taekwondo competitor, but we don't care about that.
00:01:07
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah, that was a long time ago.
00:01:08
Lee Hatfield
Joe, welcome to the crazy world of.
00:01:12
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
spooky, spooky show. lee thanks for having me. I love your show. i especially like the first episodes because I was on them.
00:01:20
Lee Hatfield
Yes, and then and then you were fired.
00:01:23
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
I know. Because I was, yeah you said I was lit. But you actually meant I was fired. No, sincerely, thanks for having me, It was nice to have the first 2026.
00:01:30
Lee Hatfield
You're most welcome.
00:01:31
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
two thousand and twenty six ooh boy.
00:01:34
Lee Hatfield
So even though you're not the first one to release because I'm doing some releases tonight or next week, this is the first one that is actually recorded in 2026.
Origins in Paranormal Investigation
00:01:43
Lee Hatfield
So today is the 2nd of January.
00:01:47
Lee Hatfield
Joe wanted to do it tonight, but then he decided he can do it at lunchtime instead because, know, Joe's Joe.
00:01:52
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah, that was me doing, i I swear, I thought it was supposed to be that time and just me getting the time wrong. but And thanks again for making that switcheroo. So I figured, why see where everything's closed today when I can go on later on tonight and see what's closed?
00:02:06
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Thank you, Canada.
00:02:06
Lee Hatfield
But is fit it's the second everything's back open again, or it should be.
00:02:10
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
oh Sort of.
00:02:12
Lee Hatfield
Anyway, so to start off with, I have to thank you, because you have been so much help towards me having this podcast the way it is, and you've provided so much as help and assistance.
00:02:13
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yes, sir. Yes.
00:02:27
Lee Hatfield
So I thank you for that. And it's always been task. been a task or to get you on the show, but you've got your podcast, I've got my podcast. So because we're on both on vacation, it's all right, let's get this done here and now.
00:02:43
Lee Hatfield
So I would like to know from the very beginning, when everything was in black and white, because you're nearly as old as me, how did your paranormal story first start from what you can remember?
00:02:44
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Great brilliant Thank you Yes I am that old We're not telling lies
00:03:01
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
oh Oh A long time ago That is a great question From what I remember, there were spots in my life, I'll be telling these out of order, because honestly, i the order is kind of like muddled in my head, you know?
00:03:17
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
But I grew up in a very small town in northern Wisconsin. If this is Wisconsin, and everyone is from Wisconsin, we get the myth. These are the cities, I was the fingertip.
00:03:30
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Like nowhere near anything popular or anything like
00:03:33
Lee Hatfield
That's the infected fingertip.
00:03:34
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
the infected fingertip of those that got pepita bandaid. And there are some things where, you know, everything everything's haunted over there, haunted Northwoods.
00:03:46
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
But if you want to talk about possible paranormal, meaning I'm still investigating that part, then it would be a place I lived in Eagle River, Wisconsin, that was on land where you were still digging stuff up like, Oh, this is the old settlers, whatever, you know, so it was populated land for a while.
00:04:08
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And there
Experiencing and Explaining Paranormal Events
00:04:09
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
were some issues with visions, we'll call them visions, easier that way. That were not positive visions.
00:04:19
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
They're quite horrific. And they would repeat. So you you have that at an early age, and then you move on towards like, oh, God, just weird things like my walking through and it looks like I was walking on air for a while, not making this up, but not like just completely gone cuckoo for a minute.
00:04:45
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And then you fast forward and you get things like my friend and i passing the same street twice, looking at the clock and going 20 minutes has gone by, how do we just do that? And then turning to each other going, yeah, is that like that's exactly it.
00:05:00
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And that happened 30 years ago, 40, 35 years ago. So it's happened throughout my life. It's just a matter of now investigating it. Or if you want to talk about things like how to do paranormal,
00:05:14
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
My grandma taught me how to read poems.
00:05:17
Lee Hatfield
Let's get into that in a minute, but we'll go back to what you you've just mentioned.
00:05:19
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yep.
00:05:23
Lee Hatfield
so Things such as passing the same street twice, do you think that's what we now call as it like a time slip?
00:05:32
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
I don't know if it's a time slip. The first time and the only time. My friend Mike and I were experiencing was like, Which is good. I got to buy aliens because that was that the vernacular back then. You know, like, did we just get like abducted somewhere?
00:05:47
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Because that's the same street. Maybe a time slip. There was no, there was no occurrence where I thought, okay, I lost time until I looked down because I saw we just passed the street twice.
00:06:04
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And, you know, at the country road to go on for a while. so it's not like we mistook the street. There's only two streets on the road. And I was like, that one and the next one. That was it The end. And so there was no loss of time felt, but just missing chunk of time and distance.
00:06:20
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
If that's a time slip, I don't know.
00:06:22
Lee Hatfield
Now, it's interesting you say that because yeah everybody drives a car nowadays. And the amount of times I've been driving, and I'm obviously concentrating on what I'm doing.
00:06:38
Lee Hatfield
But then I think to myself, well, I don't remember passing such and such a town, you know, you have, because you passed it on the road.
00:06:45
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Right. Right.
00:06:49
Lee Hatfield
But then you go yeah well yeah I was obviously concentrating because I didn't veer off the road but you don't always remember locations or something that you passed so is there any possibility that because you were so engrossed in what you were talking about or that you may have walked around the block or anything like that is that practical or possible
00:07:15
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
I know what you're talking about. i We used to call that automatic driving. You're just driving an autopilot, right?
00:07:21
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:07:22
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
You left work, you got home, no recollection of A to b but you know you're home, right? That would have been a great explanation, except that both my myself and my friend experienced at the same time.
00:07:35
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Like if it wasn't for him, I'm like, oh, I just, you know, whatever. know, I better put down the the strong coffee. You know, but it was is both the same time noticing it at the same time going, wait, wait, what type thing?
00:07:52
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And almost both of us not wanting to bring it up to the other one, but we did it concurrently.
00:07:59
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:07:59
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Otherwise, yeah, it would have been more of a, you know, we've all done that.
00:08:00
Lee Hatfield
Okay.
00:08:04
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
We're, I probably just did it today coming from the grocery store. I have no idea how got here. Here I am.
00:08:09
Lee Hatfield
Aliens, Joe. It's all about aliens.
00:08:11
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Aliens. I wish I'd get my groceries for me then.
00:08:12
Lee Hatfield
so after having
00:08:14
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
They'll go outside, it's freezing up.
00:08:16
Lee Hatfield
after having these first couple of experiences, at what point in your life did you decide that
00:08:19
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah.
00:08:24
Lee Hatfield
The paranormal was something that you wanted to look into more in depth.
00:08:31
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
When I first started to really understand that there is a nonfiction world. Does that make sense? Because I grew up... at five years old, I was reading Stephen King. You know, it's like, that's what we did.
00:08:48
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And you grew up with the horror stories, you grow up with different movies, you grew up with things that were not explainable. And when I first figured out like, Oh, there's actually a nonfiction world out there.
00:09:04
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And it's not just Sunday, we didn't have Sunday school, you know, it was a CCD, catechism? I don't know, Catholics thing. That I got kicked out of, by the way.
00:09:15
Lee Hatfield
Why does that not surprise me?
00:09:18
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
I got kicked out of so many churches lately. and nice So you you go beyond, and you know there's a spiritual world, but you didn't equate the two of the spiritual world with, like, the the religious religious version of the spiritual world, right?
00:09:29
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
With the paranormal. You never related the two. when you listen to the story, it's like, oh, no, that that sounds paranormal. Like, some dude comes back to dead? Really? No, that's paranormal. But you never as a kid put them in the same basket. They were separate.
00:09:42
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
So when I was focusing or all old enough, probably eight to really start discovering nonfiction books about this. and other experiences like that and trying to explain my own world experience. And sometimes something would happen. Gosh, when I was like eight or nine years old, that I've just started to really explore now.
00:10:06
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
in the paranormal sense, because we, you know, small town Wisconsin, we got guns and roses 10 years after they came out. Like it was, it's a time warp there. You don't get to get the new books.
00:10:18
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
You get whatever's there, you know? So early on, and then as we grow, we keep questioning, right? Like, how about you? Where you, how old are you?
00:10:29
Lee Hatfield
Well, that's interesting because i i didn't recall this until I was on a previous podcast where there was me and my brother were walking down a riverbank and there was an old factory and we saw a figure in the window and it just looked like one of those stereotypical targets that you see on a firing range.
00:10:55
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Right.
00:10:57
Lee Hatfield
But the place was all fenced off and closed down. There was no vehicles there. And when we actually got closer to it, this figure had disappeared. And like say, there was no no physical sign of human life.
00:11:12
Lee Hatfield
So we don't know if it was somebody that was there. that then left before we got there, but gates were locked.
00:11:20
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
right
00:11:20
Lee Hatfield
We didn't hear any vehicles. So as far as we're aware, nobody left that area. But that figure, which was definitely a figure, then disappeared.
00:11:31
Lee Hatfield
And i asked my brother recently, and he actually remembers that as well, and he basically said, yeah, that scared the shit out of us.
00:11:35
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
That's right. That's that same of my friend. And that's exactly it. It's like you you go back and you go back to your life like that shouldn't be explainable. And yet you still remember that. Do you have a lot of memories from your childhood or just like one or two stand not like that?
00:11:50
Lee Hatfield
That is literally the only one because after i didn't really – I've always been interested in ghosts and stuff like that, but it was kind of like I always took the back seat.
00:11:53
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah.
00:12:02
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Right.
00:12:03
Lee Hatfield
And and i always – once the TV show started, I thought that was something cool and I'd love to do. This is by back in the late 80s, early 90s. But it wasn't really until – and I've told you this story before – when I was a paramedic going to that cardiac arrest,
00:12:19
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yes. The
00:12:20
Lee Hatfield
And the person I was with turned out to be a medium and he could see the spirit of the patient stood behind me telling me to stop doing the CPR. So that's when it kind of really kicked off for me.
00:12:31
Lee Hatfield
And then that's when I really took
Research and Methodologies in Paranormal Studies
00:12:33
Lee Hatfield
a lot of interest. But even after that, I used to watch some of the ghost shows because in the UK you had most haunted.
00:12:43
Lee Hatfield
We didn't have all the ones that yeah we didn't have all the ones like we have now.
00:12:43
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
most haunted UK.
00:12:47
Lee Hatfield
But most haunted was really just a like a scream fest. Lights are out. None of these gadgets like what they have nowadays. And then, you things were being thrown, but, you you pretty damn well knew that it was probably... Yeah, exactly. Probably one of the film crew doing it.
00:13:06
Lee Hatfield
And they did actually yeah call out a a medium for being a fraud, and he actually got fired from the show.
00:13:15
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Oh,
00:13:15
Lee Hatfield
But it wasn't really until I came to Canada 2013 that the interest really kicked off.
00:13:23
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
wow. God, Canada got two great people in 2013. Neither of them us, but they probably got two great people.
00:13:31
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, yeah, yeah'll
00:13:31
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
That was also my arrival report was 2013. That's
00:13:35
Lee Hatfield
yeah. definitely wasn't you.
00:13:37
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
not me. i think I think Canada has buyer's remorse for me. So you started out early on.
00:13:42
Lee Hatfield
Yes.
00:13:44
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And then you're you're you naturally ramped up and then you had the experience with the medium when you went through cardiac arrest. Did that make you then remember all the stuff that all the stuff that one childhood memory that it like connect back to you?
00:14:01
Lee Hatfield
Just one point. Who's doing the interview here, me or you?
00:14:04
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
I'm so used to this is why I don't talk to most sentiment in ours. I'm so used to doing the interviews. I'm so sorry.
00:14:10
Lee Hatfield
Well, no, it wasn't until I was a i was invited onto a podcast, Tommy Cullum's Freaky Podcast, that while I was talking about various things, that this story when I was five or six came out.
00:14:27
Lee Hatfield
But I'd completely forgotten about And it just what hate something was triggered that, hang on a minute, this happened when I was young. And then, like I say, the instant being a paramedic, that's when it kind of really my launching pad, so to speak.
00:14:42
Lee Hatfield
So for you to be a paranormal investigator, because I'm now going to take control of this again. because
00:14:48
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
All right.
00:14:49
Lee Hatfield
When did you decide that you wanted to investigate?
00:14:54
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
If you mean investigations as an active going out in the field, not until I got to Montreal.
00:15:03
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
I don't remember doing it anywhere else. I've done light footwork or fieldwork, should say, but never with a team. Like Montreal was the first team effort.
00:15:14
Lee Hatfield
But you've you've got a a massive background in academical stuff.
00:15:20
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yes, I do.
00:15:20
Lee Hatfield
You've got your Master of Arts and yeah all that.
00:15:23
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Masters of Arts and Sciences and other arts and this one on that one of PhDs.
00:15:23
Lee Hatfield
other Yeah, yeah and being yeah exactly.
00:15:28
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
So Lord, Dr.
00:15:29
Lee Hatfield
all that All that stuff that I'm not even going to go into because it's not paranormal related.
00:15:29
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Joe. Yeah.
00:15:34
Lee Hatfield
But yay. But you must have done a lot of research into the paranormal first before you moved to move to the Canada even or moved to Montreal.
00:15:45
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
I did.
00:15:46
Lee Hatfield
So what what kind of...
00:15:47
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
I did. There there were course back in black and white.
00:15:47
Lee Hatfield
what and
00:15:51
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Back in my day, there were correspondence schools. You know how you went through your training, but it was kind of online. Imagine that training, but through not even emails, letters.
00:16:04
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Letters and videotapings.
00:16:04
Lee Hatfield
Snail out.
00:16:05
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Like you would have the videotape. Do you consider hypnosis paranormal or no?
00:16:11
Lee Hatfield
Well, that's an interesting fact, because when I started doing this, as you well know, I googled the word paranormal.
00:16:18
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Right.
00:16:19
Lee Hatfield
And you've got so many subsections that it could kind of be deemed connected to. But is it paranormal in its own right?
00:16:28
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah.
00:16:31
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah, and that's the that's the key like when you're asking me when I started researching, I did hypnosis certification back when I was, God, i don't know a teenager. Well, they just say like the vague teens, you know, after after Wisconsin, I went to Vegas, this kind of blacked out for a minute, my memory.
00:16:49
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
So I started out then. And then I started going into holistic, or holistic like metaphysics, like the research that way and you know, the book beyond physics.
00:17:00
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And back then that meant more paranormal than it does now. That was the whole the woo.
00:17:05
Lee Hatfield
So you mentioned about the hypnosis. Did you actually put people under, so to speak?
00:17:11
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah, you had to to to get your certification you had to and there's
00:17:11
Lee Hatfield
and yeah
00:17:14
Lee Hatfield
OK, so yeah when people do their past regression, they get a part of their past that they don't recall. So was there anything particular that always sticks in your mind about some of those sessions?
00:17:35
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
I can't tell you that.
00:17:37
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Doctor patient. I'll just I'll say in general.
00:17:39
Lee Hatfield
You want doctor then?
00:17:41
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
I'll say in general.
00:17:41
Lee Hatfield
you weren't a doctor then
00:17:42
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
like yeah i know right i okay In general, it's going to be no one was asking me for past regressions. They're all actionable items, meaning stop smoking, better performance in sports, alcohol, whatever it's going to Stuff like that, like trauma related, you know, sometimes, but nothing about regressive memories or repressed memories.
00:18:11
Lee Hatfield
Okay.
00:18:11
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Repressed memories probably do pop up, but they're not going to be past lives. It's going be like, oh, this happened when was a kid.
00:18:17
Lee Hatfield
but It could be connected to the drinking connected to the smoking, that kind of thing.
00:18:21
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah. And like, it was like, oh cause I saw my dad do, you know, when I was four, stuff like that.
00:18:25
Lee Hatfield
Okay.
00:18:27
Lee Hatfield
Okay, so moving on.
00:18:29
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah.
00:18:30
Lee Hatfield
How did you get closer to closer to becoming a paranormal investigator?
00:18:36
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
I got really interested around 17, 18. I'm trying to like place myself where I was. I was basically the occult section of my local library.
00:18:50
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Meaning I was the only one there and just checking it out and doing things because i understood, you know, as if you grew up in the religious background I had,
00:19:04
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
God's either ultimately good or he's just like spoiled little bitch. Oh, we can swear at this one. You know, you don't really know. It's like this, the same ones like love your neighbor says we're going to kill everyone here. I'm like, well, I don't know that one.
00:19:15
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
So you kind of question and you go out into other things. And part of that background was there's this, what was it? The, the Mayorka, the majority, whatever it's going to be like, Mary comes down and visits some peasants and they give them some secrets. The secrets are you have to do this and this sort of earth dies.
00:19:32
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
You know, click here, like five easy steps. But that's basically the secrets that we grew up hearing about. So the the mysticism was already baked in for me. Like that part was baked in for me. Like my grandma helped me read palms baked in for me. So I used my left hand last time. ha, ha suckers, dominant hand.
00:19:51
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
So all this is baked into me, but it took until I was able to drive to a bigger city. Because again, no internet. Well, actually we had like Delphi, but still the bigger city to be able to go to the library and research and say like, oh, I'm not crazy. These are other things that people have done.
00:20:15
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And that gets into a whole different spin of a cult and a new way of seeing the world that is described to most people today.
00:20:28
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. And one thing that I recognize quite freely is the fact the amount of people that think to start off with that they're the only person that's doing this.
00:20:43
Lee Hatfield
And then something happens, you go to the big town or yeah you join a club to and then find out that you're not the only person that's interested in this. You're not the only person that wants to investigate this or research this.
00:20:56
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Right.
00:20:57
Lee Hatfield
And that's when people kind of join forces and some of these these groups come about.
00:21:01
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Absolutely. absolutely you You interview the women from history, Ghost Rush, Gold Rush.
00:21:10
Lee Hatfield
History, yeah, History Most Haunted, yeah.
00:21:12
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Them.
00:21:12
Lee Hatfield
then
00:21:13
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And you know, the medium was kind of saying stuff like I didn't want to tell anyone when I was younger because i didn't want to be basically ostracized. It's like that. You think you're the only one. So you don't say anything out loud. So you know you say anything out loud. People are going fun of you.
00:21:28
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And, you know, growing where I was, i already had enough of that anyways. I didn't need extra. extra And so you you kind of keep it to yourself until you get to a bigger place going, oh, there are more people like me.
00:21:40
Lee Hatfield
And I do find that is extremely true when you talk to people that have abilities, mediums and psychics and
00:21:50
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Right.
Astral Projection: Experience or Illusion?
00:21:50
Lee Hatfield
those kind of people.
00:21:51
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Like the ash, I've, I probably mentioned the astral to you only when i had that one very unpleasant experience of like sleep paralysis mixed with a time loop.
00:22:07
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
It sucked. but It was also my own doing.
00:22:09
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Now you've mentioned it.
00:22:12
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And it sucked.
00:22:12
Lee Hatfield
Before we before we continue your paranormal investigator route.
00:22:15
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yes.
00:22:16
Lee Hatfield
Let's just let's just mention this because yes, you did reach out to me.
00:22:19
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yep.
00:22:19
Lee Hatfield
And you said, i need to speak to you because this has happened.
00:22:23
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah, absolutely. and we And we had the conversation and we kind of did the checklist, this, this and this, including everything from regular sleep paralysis to stroke to like the TIA, whatever it's going to be to everything because i would. All right.
00:22:39
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
I was fresh off of and we'll call an exorcism. I got hands on. and when I say fresh, I mean, maybe a week or It's in my notes somewhere, but like a week, week half, whatever it's going to And i was having my normal type of dream.
00:23:01
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
I have lucid dreaming where if I want to go like, let's go see Spider-Man. I can make Spider-Man appear. Bam. Nine times out of ten. If I can keep Spider-Man there or not, you know, my own be very.
00:23:16
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And when I dream, it sometimes I will see people who died, but I don't know they're dead yet. And so we're going back a little bit like I had someone from high school.
00:23:29
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
He died in a car crash. I did not know that he died in a car crash. But that night, I was dreaming of him trying to escape a bunch of wolves and trying to get to the other side.
00:23:40
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
So I was almost like the the coyote, if you want to do human smuggling terms of the spirit world for that, right? like, okay, get him the other side, boom, boom, boom. He wasn't the only one.
00:23:54
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And then when when you wake up, you find out the next day or whenever the the news goes through, like two days later, like, oh, yeah, blah, blah, blah, died in a car crash that day. I'm like, oh, well, A, that sucks. but B, that explains a whole hell of a lot of my dream now.
00:24:10
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
So I've had that for a long, long time, which goes back to being a little kid. And that's when you start learning that dreaming versus astral, right? Dreaming versus astral. bit difference.
00:24:23
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
To the point where I've been in places without being in that place. Meaning people and I have memory. I can tell you everything that happened at that event and people have memory of me being there.
00:24:37
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
But I wasn't there. Like this body wasn't there. Another thing was there. So you have that go on and go on and go on, right? There was a thing that I was doing and I shouldn't have been doing because it was far after far too soon after an exorcism.
00:24:56
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
I needed to basically chill out a bit. And the bait was there. I took the bait and it was a revamp of just a reboot. was like Groundhog Day.
00:25:10
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
but you couldn't even get out. Like trying to open my eyes was extremely difficult. every time I woke up, I realized a couple of seconds later, it was back in the damn dream or back in whatever you want to call it.
00:25:23
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, until I had to rationalize something about what was happening and what not to do anymore.
00:25:35
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And then thankfully I actually got back up.
00:25:38
Lee Hatfield
So any skeptic amongst us is going to say because you took that bait, let's call it, that it may have been induced by that.
00:25:53
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Induced by taking the bait, meaning that caused a self-fulfilling prophecy type thing, or induced because i picked a fight with Mike Tyson and got hit in the face.
00:26:08
Lee Hatfield
But okay, so let me reword it.
00:26:09
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
The colloquial.
00:26:10
Lee Hatfield
If you hadn't have taken the bait, as we're as we're calling it, would that have happened to you?
00:26:18
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
I don't think so. No, I think so. I think this was the bait. Again, for for me, I think we had this discussion before, like, can you willfully travel the Astro? I'm like, sort of.
00:26:34
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
i'm like I'm like a blind squirrel doing it. i'm not that I'm not the best person in the world for it. It's just kind of like the octopus who can pick football winners.
00:26:44
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
I'm like, just blind luck, mostly. I've never learned learned how to control that. I probably should. But if you are doing this and I saw what i wanted to label as a bad entity, and I've been doing this since I was a small child, and I was like, oh, I just got done with the exorcism. Of course I can do this. Like, you know, buckle up, bitch. Let's go.
00:27:14
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
That was not the right thing to do. And as soon as I got to the entity, that's when the time loop kept happening on repeat until I learned, baby, don't fuck with that.
00:27:32
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
It took a while. I'm a slow learner.
00:27:34
Lee Hatfield
If this was somebody else telling you that story that you've just told me, what would be your interpretation of it?
00:27:47
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
I'd ask him the same thing as we did. Were you drinking? Were you high? What other explanations could you have? Was it this? Was it that? Just checklist, chatchato tuto dut right? Same thing. And then at the end of the day, I was like, okay, if we took away all the the super normal explanations, whatever left, you know, it's like Sherlock Holmes, I think.
00:28:08
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And then we can investigate that. Is it... 100% do I know this happens? <unk> It's what I'm left with. I still remember it. I don't remember most of other things that happened to me.
00:28:21
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
But in all traumatic experiences as they go, you tend to make copies. And so you have to address that.
00:28:27
Lee Hatfield
cause i Yeah, I know that the conversation that we had at the time, I think we must have been talking for at least maybe an hour or so, and I was literally interrogating you, literally coming out with every single possibility.
00:28:39
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. No. I almost wish it
00:28:44
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
were.
00:28:44
Lee Hatfield
And most of it was, know, no, I haven't done that. I haven't done that. I didn't do that. I didn't do that. I didn't do that. And then at the end of it we were stumped because we had no rational explanation for what had happened. It wasn't sleep paralysis.
00:29:01
Lee Hatfield
It wasn't due to drink or drugs.
00:29:06
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
yeah almost wish it were
00:29:07
Lee Hatfield
And it's yeah yeah, it would be a lot easier to explain, that's for sure.
00:29:11
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Oh, thank God. Just don't do that again.
00:29:12
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. So yeah, that was an interesting conversation that you and hi you and I had.
00:29:13
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah.
Tools and Techniques in Paranormal Investigations
00:29:21
Lee Hatfield
But let's flip back to our previous subject of you, you then moving forward to becoming a paranormal investigator.
00:29:31
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Right. So you you study, you study, you study, you study, you study, you study, you study, you invest, you kind of question, you investigate things happen in your life that you can't quite explain.
00:29:47
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
So it's self serving is self serving for two reasons. One, there's things that happened in my life I couldn't explain to death scares the shit out of me.
00:29:57
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
These two are reasons, right? Primary movers. So you study and you go through everything that could be like old case files of satanic murders.
00:30:12
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
i' looking at Raising Hell right now. It's a book about satanic murder. You go through witchcraft. You go through different religions. You go through different meditations. You go through jirya yoga. You go through all these things you can study and try.
00:30:25
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And then go, okay, can I get something moving in this way? Does this make more sense? Does this make sense? I actually do teach. i don't i don't teach Alistair Crowley. He's dead.
00:30:37
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
But I am one of the few people who teach Alistair Crowley in philosophy because I think people should be balanced like that. They should get a wide slurf of it all. And although sometimes Castaneda's work's been discredited on, he's just making stuff up.
00:30:54
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
the the old Don Juan Mata's, I teach that as well on the basis principles of, right? So you have all these esoterics out there. And then you move in in Vegas, I was doing way too much stuff.
00:31:07
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Wait, and no time for that. One or two, you know, whatever.
00:31:12
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:31:13
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
But when I moved to Montreal, I had a lot more time on my hands. And one of those things were, meetup groups. Used to be a thing before the pandemic, like meetup.com.
00:31:25
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
That might be still a thing now. And one was paranormal research. Another one was UFOs and aliens. Both interested me. I went.
00:31:37
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Same person, like, okay, whatever. But we started paranormal research team, a core team of three people. It started out as like five or six, but most of them were fake a-holes.
00:31:49
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And if you ever seen a fake medium, oh boy, that's why Joe doesn't like most mediums. Oh my God. Hysterics of it all. You know, I think South Park made a great show of it when like the guy is like peeing his pants, like, oh my God, ectoplasm. Like, no, he's just pissing his pants.
00:32:07
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
So from that bigger thing, we went down to three core people and we stick together for a while. How did MTL was originally... going to be our investigation as a paranormal.
00:32:19
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
I had a pilot, fuck man, I didn't shoot the pilot. I had a pilot shot of an investigation team going out to the Mount Royal cemetery and and finding paranormal activity there.
00:32:35
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
you know So all of these little things, the EVPs, all that starts off now and that's how we you you learn by doing. You know, like you you if you send me a wave, what do I do? I open it up, I look at the wave.
00:32:48
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
I take away the distortions and I say, okay, this is what a breath looks like on a wave. This is what you're sounding look on a wave. This is what a thud looks like on a wave.
00:32:58
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
I can't explain that part. You know, you send me stuff like, i don't know. I don't know what it is. I'm not saying it's paranormal. I just don't know what it is. Other than that, I can be like, oh, this is this, this, this, is this you know, check it off, or whatever.
00:33:11
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
So you start doing teams like that and getting really good behind the science of it. And then going out to investigate. we We went, the Montreal team and I went to dozen places.
00:33:28
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
It was short-lived, only like two years, I think. We're still in touch, though. We just don't do it together, you know. So you have that experience and then you start moving on to your own, right?
00:33:41
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
You've done that where you get your own team together and you're doing more experiments, you know, that's how you bond.
00:33:50
Lee Hatfield
And and that's one thing that you and I are both on the same page with the page with that. There's a big difference between a ghost hunter and a paranormal investigator.
00:34:05
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah.
00:34:05
Lee Hatfield
yeah We are investigators, so we will set up experiments whether they are successful or they fail, at least it proves a point.
00:34:14
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah. I that. Yep.
00:34:16
Lee Hatfield
And we try to analyze as much stuff as possible. And like you've said, if I get an EVP that I can't explain, I send it to you. You break it down and come back with, I can explain this, this, this, but I can't explain that.
00:34:34
Lee Hatfield
And then we don't say, well, that's paranormal. We just then go, well, we've got a pile here called unexplained.
00:34:43
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
It's like it's agnostic it means you don't have a predetermined yes or no.
00:34:43
Lee Hatfield
And then, yeah.
00:34:48
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
You're like, I don't know what it is. And I think when people stop saying, I don't know, and they they say, same, I know for sure. And then it gets kind of dangerous. It gets the bullshit land.
00:34:59
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Well, you don't know, like, that's exactly it.
00:34:59
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, because.
00:35:01
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
I don't know if I was actually being attacked in the astral plane, but it makes fucking sense to me. I couldn't explain otherwise. You know, like,
00:35:08
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and it's and that's it. That's it. And if you if you have something that you can't explain, like I had an experience where. It's on video where I'm going through a building and I heard a.
00:35:24
Lee Hatfield
And I've got the body camera, I've got my handheld, I've got my audio. And you literally see me spin round to see if there's anybody there. And I broke it down. And I think that was one of the things I sent to you.
00:35:42
Lee Hatfield
And we could not explain what it is. And I even sent it to somebody else who's got an audio and video specialist.
00:35:45
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah.
00:35:48
Lee Hatfield
They broke it down and they couldn't explain it. And then you get in. the normal Joes going, well, it might have been a squeak of a shoe.
00:35:57
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
No, we we we sampled her that.
00:35:59
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and it's like, yeah, it was a car.
00:36:00
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
so Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:01
Lee Hatfield
Well, how many cars do you know that drive past going psst? And we could not explain that no matter what what we looked at and what we tried.
00:36:10
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Absolutely. And I didn't want to tell you this, but that happened to me. Do you want to say your location where you're at?
00:36:16
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, it it was, I've got to think where it where it was now. I know it was near Missing Zippy Mills.
00:36:25
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Okay.
00:36:25
Lee Hatfield
I'm just, I've just got to try to quickly yeah
00:36:30
Lee Hatfield
figure out where it was.
00:36:33
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Because I had one similar, but i'm just I think it's a different location because mine was in the States. like I'm pretty sure is your yours was counting to Canada Canada.
00:36:44
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, this was
00:36:47
Lee Hatfield
The
00:36:48
Lee Hatfield
Kintail Mill near Mississippi Mills.
00:36:50
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Oh.
00:36:52
Lee Hatfield
That's about about an hour drive away.
00:36:54
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
That's not bad.
00:36:54
Lee Hatfield
That's that's the the guy that invented basketball.
00:36:59
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Oh, Dr.
00:36:59
Lee Hatfield
He's got he's gotten used
00:37:00
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
James Nismith.
00:37:01
Lee Hatfield
yeah he's he's got a museum there. Well, he hasn't because he's dead, but yeah.
00:37:04
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Oh, really? Oh, shit. I need to visit that.
00:37:06
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, so that was at the Kintail Mill where that happened. And I was literally there by myself, my other colleague, or one of my other colleagues was in the basement waiting for me to, to bring down a piece of equipment.
00:37:19
Lee Hatfield
And that's when I heard it, you can hear the chirp of a smoke alarm that requires a new battery. We knew it wasn't that you could hear the AC, you could hear the AC in the background, you knew it wasn't that.
00:37:29
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Right. Right.
00:37:35
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
There was no CO2 pressure.
00:37:35
Lee Hatfield
And
00:37:38
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
There was no air gun.
00:37:38
Lee Hatfield
No, no, exactly.
00:37:40
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
was no. Yeah. Yeah.
00:37:40
Lee Hatfield
there was no and yeah And yes, we were close to as the kitchen, but that was not a typical kitchen sound. It just literally sounded like somebody was trying to get my attention by psst in at me.
00:37:55
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah. And that's the thing. We couldn't explain that one. I remember mine, someone did a thing and it turned out to be Tony Horton giving a power up but through my power.
00:38:07
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And you know, it is a green shake. It tastes minty. So he was just trying to tell me that. And I'm not going to put my plug in, Lee. Don't worry. It's not like I'm saying, you know, mypowernutrition.com and go check out Tony Horton's up power up. It does taste good. I take it every day.
00:38:22
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Wake, shake and activate, man. There you go
00:38:24
Lee Hatfield
Stop advertising crap.
00:38:26
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
See, I'll use that.
00:38:28
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:38:28
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And, you know, Tony does not pay me to say that. i just thought be the funny thing to say. And I do really do take that every day.
00:38:33
Lee Hatfield
stop going Stop going off on a tangent and get back to the subject.
00:38:37
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
I'm so good at it, though. Who are you, my therapist?
00:38:40
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, stop procrastinating.
00:38:40
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
you know, I actually did that my therapist before. Like, when I had one.
00:38:44
Lee Hatfield
Well, yeah.
00:38:44
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
I was like, know, he asked me one question. And I did the avoidance thing. And like, yeah, see what I just did? Yeah, that's my normal life. For an hour.
00:38:53
Lee Hatfield
Yes, I know. So stop procrastinating and get back to the subject.
00:38:55
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yes. We will not procrastinate no more. Yes, sir. So, but you you see, as we try to explain things, like when I was a kid, I had a near-death experience. NDE. which I caught as a new death experience.
00:39:06
Lee Hatfield
Excellent.
00:39:08
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Again, zero out of 10 stars, do not recommend. not Not fun, not pleasant, very painful. I had a fever high enough that was like cellular death, you know, one of those things. So was a hallucination? Maybe.
00:39:19
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
i mean, I was a little kid, I don't know. i I do know it was like, you know, the the whole bright light, painful, blah, blah, blah, fighting for your sanity thing. And then I
Ethics and Authenticity in Paranormal Media
00:39:28
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
was dating someone. so it was always my NDE until last year.
00:39:33
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And I casually dated someone and like, no, near death is fun. i'm like, nah no, no, mine was fucking horrible. And I started to like get upset because we had two opposing opinions on, on this. I'm like, okay.
00:39:47
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
But then I thought maybe it's just my ego by saying, I know what, why did. versus maybe it wasn't, maybe it was something else. Maybe it was akin to near death. So I started researching that and yes, like on soft air comes up, I'm like, oh my God, that's the fucking experience I had. Like the the blinding, luminous light of forever that is quite being, you know, get dissolved in your own personality. I'm like oh my God, that is actually what I felt.
00:40:14
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
So it took 42 years
00:40:18
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
two years Yeah, more or less. For me to go like, okay, it wasn't near-death experience. It was akin to it, but better terminology is here.
00:40:30
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And it took the ability just to go, you know, we broke up, but that wasn't reason why. But it was more along the lines of being able to say, maybe I'm wrong.
00:40:43
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Perhaps I'm wrong. And then try to find a better answer. And the better answer does fit.
00:40:49
Lee Hatfield
and And that's one thing as an investigator that you've got to do. You've got to know when you can't explain something and you've got to know, well, yeah, that noise happened when I pushed past the table and I caught my my trouser pocket or my pant pocket on the leg as I went past.
00:41:04
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah.
00:41:11
Lee Hatfield
You've got to be able to do that to be able to debunk the obvious.
00:41:15
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Absolutely. i think when we first started talking about in paranormal investigation, like I didn't talk much about the pilot, the pilot was supposed to be a real investigation. And this is God, this is 2015, maybe, maybe 16.
00:41:30
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
fifteen maybe maybe sixteen But my normal team couldn't show up. Like one member couldn't show up. The other one could.
00:41:43
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
So I borrowed the crew. was like, okay, you're part of my team now. Free person team. Let's go. Whatever. You look good on camera. Come on. You know, you're not tailored, but you'll do.
00:41:56
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And We did hear some things. We experienced some stuff at the at the at the cemetery. But then this is where it gets kind of funky.
00:42:08
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
The director, or the i guess it would he be director, but the camera guy is like, oh, no, we need to take that again. like, huh, what?
00:42:16
Lee Hatfield
You can't do that.
00:42:17
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
You can't. is that like you You fucking can't. What do you mean we have to do this again? Okay, how about we just get you guys... It was one of those... you know t ddd One of those meters that do the electric magnet ones.
00:42:31
Lee Hatfield
EMF EMF electromagnetic frequency.
00:42:32
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah. And so I'm like, okay, I'll... So I palmed... I don't have one right now. Good enough.
00:42:43
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
I palmed a cell phone battery, the rechargeable one. I palmed that and I put it on the EMF. Of course there's spike. It's a fucking cell phone battery. Of course it's going to spike. It's picking up the cell phone battery.
00:42:57
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And I use that. Like, oh my God, look at this. And it felt dirty. It felt im like, oh my God, now i'm like recreating a scene that happened organically, but now I'm recreating it for the TV crew.
00:43:11
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Which is like, Oh, God, okay, whatever.
00:43:11
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:43:13
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And that gave me the idea for I think we talked about but Humbug of like, okay, so if I can do this and be passable at doing it. I bet there's a TV show on expose debunking people like Houdini used to Humbug.
00:43:28
Lee Hatfield
and And that's the thing about there's so much evidence and yeah videos and EVPs and things that are on Facebook and YouTube that if you're a genuine hand on heart investigator, you can go, i can pretty much guarantee that that's fake.
00:43:51
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah. Absolutely.
00:43:53
Lee Hatfield
yeah and you And you can do it quite naturally. Even some of the TV shows, Like, yeah, pound paranormal caught on camera.
00:43:59
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Ghost Avengers. Oh, sorry. I had a cold.
00:44:03
Lee Hatfield
Oh, that door swung open, but you don't see what's behind the door.
00:44:08
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah.
00:44:09
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, something was thrown, but it was thrown through from a different room or down some stairs where somebody could hide.
00:44:17
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah, absolutely. Or like the the Conjuring House. not Andrea Perrin. We had a great interview. Love you Andre. But the people who bought I'm not going mention their names.
00:44:28
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
They're like, oh, yeah, the door blows open. I'm like, the house is from the 1800s, man. like The door is going to move. It's called the draft. Like, what the shit?
00:44:38
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Like, that's not paranormal. That's just construction. Like, that's easy.
00:44:42
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:44:43
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Like, no.
00:44:45
Lee Hatfield
and And you can be laid in your bed late at night, no matter where you are. There's no electrical items that are switched on. And if you just listen, you can hear your house moving exactly and you can hear like cut the house cooling down or the house warming up depending on time of year and you know what that sounds like and if you go to a location and there's people on so on different floors if you hear footsteps
00:45:04
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
The wire is home. Yeah.
00:45:10
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:14
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Absolutely.
00:45:24
Lee Hatfield
you can pretty much rule it out that it's going to be somebody on another floor unless you've got concrete floors and the chances, you and that's going to be harder to replicate.
00:45:35
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
yeah
00:45:36
Lee Hatfield
But yeah, you go into some of these older mills and places like that that have got wooden floors throughout. And if you're doing investigation on multiple floors, yeah, you have to kind of rule it out that it's somebody moving on a different floor, no matter if they're above or below you.
00:45:56
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
That's one of the things I do appreciate it do appreciate, of the many things I do appreciate. about you and your and your methods, they're scientific.
00:46:03
Lee Hatfield
Stop it.
00:46:05
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
I know people, i won't mention their names. I'll just say I'm from Las Vegas. Like I went from Wisconsin. I i ran away to Las Vegas and I ended up there for a while. And so if you know anything about that area and the ghost hunting people in that area, there's a reason why I didn't want to get involved with any of that shit.
00:46:24
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
assholes god again cold you know what if i think my cold to go away if i have more power up from tony horton one scoop a day wake shake and activate we might as well just get a sponsorship at this point but there is a reason where i know part of that team really truly believes in the nicest guy in the fucking world other part of team not so much it's the hollywood meets the reality hollywood wins
00:46:31
Lee Hatfield
stop it Stop it.
00:46:54
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
You know, so you see all these things where, yeah, we can go out into a jail and say, okay, what is this sound? what What just triggered this cat ball? What just triggered this?
00:47:05
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
What was this? What about whatever this is supposed to be? Where they're not going to, oh, they hear a sound. it It's the devil coming. No, no, it's a sound.
00:47:17
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
You're in a mineshaft, dickhead. It's going to echo. like a rock will echo throughout.
00:47:24
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:47:24
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
That's how sound works.
00:47:25
Lee Hatfield
And I was at an investigation a few weeks ago just before Christmas. And it was a two story building. There was snow on the ground. yeah it was It's winter in Canada.
00:47:38
Lee Hatfield
the The ground floor has been redeveloped into how it looked in the 1800s.
00:47:45
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah.
00:47:45
Lee Hatfield
The first floor, completely forlorn. Nothing's been done in it in like 50 to 100 years. yeah It's barren. It's like down to the floorboards. Some of the floorboards are up and all this kind of stuff.
00:48:01
Lee Hatfield
And there was me and another guy up there. And I'm stood in a, you know, like you've got these windows that are in the kind of like the attic space where you've got the slanty ceiling.
00:48:11
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah. The little slides.
00:48:13
Lee Hatfield
I'm stood back in that window space. And I felt a sensation of something that felt like it grabbed my hand. Now, my immediate thought was, it's cobwebs.
00:48:28
Lee Hatfield
or yeah something but then you quickly roll that out because yes i'm in this alcove my hand was hanging out of my pocket so if there had been any cobwebs the chances are it had been taken out with my shoulder
00:48:43
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Should be the entire arm.
00:48:46
Lee Hatfield
and then my next thought was what else could it be And then you you have to start being rational about it, thinking, well, it wasn't another piece of equipment. My colleague was five or six feet away from me.
00:49:03
Lee Hatfield
There was nothing like a table or chair anything close by. so your rational explanations are quickly diminishing into the Then you go, well, I cannot explain what it was. However, it felt like somebody grabbed my hand.
00:49:22
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
That's exactly it.
00:49:22
Lee Hatfield
and And then we we have the the camera system. We call it the NVR system. and cameras all over the place.
00:49:32
Lee Hatfield
And as soon as that happened, the guy that was on the on the NVR, he literally saw me immediately look down and then look around to see what it was. And then after we'd finished, because I actually said it at the time, I felt like my hand had been touched.
00:49:47
Lee Hatfield
He was then going, no, I saw you looking around to try to eliminate any possibilities of what it was. And I went, yeah, but I could not explain what it was. But it just felt like somebody grabbed my hand. And that's not going to be a like a cobweb, because a cobweb is just going to like bush, and then it's going to go because you pulled it off the the wall or the ceiling or whatever, and I was nowhere near walls.
00:50:14
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
It would still be on your hand too.
00:50:14
Lee Hatfield
So, yeah, so what was it?
00:50:16
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Most likely.
00:50:19
Lee Hatfield
We can't explain it.
00:50:20
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Can't explain it. And that's exactly it. It's just stuff you can't explain.
00:50:23
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:50:25
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
i moved into a place in Las Vegas. The place came with a knife and a gun. No joke. that The delivery people wouldn't come by our place because it hadt whatever we found it behind the washer and dryer.
00:50:40
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And there was this two rooms, one room. We never went in because everyone who actually went into this room just felt really ill and had just bad. bo So we just like, that's it. No one goes in this room.
00:50:56
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Is there any rational explanation? No. Was something happened with knife and gun? Maybe. i don't know. But we know without telling anyone like, hey why don't you go in that room? You know?
00:51:08
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Everyone got skewed out by that room.
Podcasting and Community Engagement
00:51:11
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And it was just that area. It gets, you know, in Vegas was not cold. You'd be cold there. would have really weird visions in there and just nope.
00:51:21
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
That was our nope out room. So you can't explain. We don't know what happened. We can't explain it though. And then that's exactly it.
00:51:27
Lee Hatfield
but we
00:51:28
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
You don't know if it's what brushed you. You can't explain it though.
00:51:31
Lee Hatfield
yeah But we always try to rationalize what we experience.
00:51:35
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yes.
00:51:35
Lee Hatfield
And sometimes you can't.
00:51:37
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
and And you have to be okay with that. And not say, I know exactly what this is.
00:51:40
Lee Hatfield
sir so
00:51:42
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
this is
00:51:43
Lee Hatfield
Exactly. And it's like that like that term, paranormal expert.
00:51:44
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
is Pazuzu.
00:51:47
Lee Hatfield
There's no such thing as a paranormal expert. There's paranormal investigators that have got lot of experience, but there's no paranormal experts because it's a pseudonym science.
00:51:55
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah.
00:51:58
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah.
00:51:59
Lee Hatfield
pseudonym?
00:51:59
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
There's...
00:52:01
Lee Hatfield
soup Pseudoscience.
00:52:01
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Did say a pseudonym scientist or pseudoscience?
00:52:02
Lee Hatfield
suits so Pseudoscience. I know what i meant.
00:52:05
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Pseudoscience.
00:52:06
Lee Hatfield
Just because you're the academic all stop.
00:52:07
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
See... Academicals.
00:52:10
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:52:10
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
but But that's exactly it.
00:52:10
Lee Hatfield
Okay.
00:52:11
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And you, it's a weird point, but I do have a research background. And so researching this is second nature to me. and And finding truth from, you know, the wheat from the shit.
00:52:26
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
The shaft, I should say. not chef i want to But you you see all these things and you just know that Some of these stories have been going on for a while. I just got done with a reviewing Seth Breedlove movie about cryptid in Michigan.
00:52:40
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Sure. Some of it sounds like bullshit. Absolutely. absolutely It does. And some of it sounds like, okay, but what is it based on? What's that bullshit based on? It has to be based on something that someone couldn't explain. So they explained the best way they could. Dog man.
00:52:56
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
They explained the best way they could. Is it really a dog man? Probably, probably not. I don't know. I don't know. you know, but is it something that looked like a dog that could probably like a skinnier, a bear or something like that?
00:53:08
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Maybe it's something that couldn't explain then, you know,
00:53:10
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:53:13
Lee Hatfield
And we only have discovered like and less than 50% of all the species that's on the planet. So why can't these creatures be out there? that we just And they're very good at hiding from us.
00:53:28
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Just like my Tinder dates.
00:53:28
Lee Hatfield
Who knows?
00:53:30
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
They're out there. They're very good at hiding.
00:53:32
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, that there it there' there's a
00:53:32
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Swipe right, ladies. Or left. What is it? Left or right? s Swipe whichever way you want. No.
00:53:36
Lee Hatfield
there's a reason for that, though, Joe.
00:53:38
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
o
00:53:39
Lee Hatfield
So how did you then decide that you wanted to talk to people about the paranormal and how did Haunted Montreal come about?
00:53:50
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
So you're talking about after the paranormal investigating small group? Okay.
00:53:59
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
From that group, there were, again, some bullshit people, including someone who trying to fake EVP results. i'm like, no, I have the same raw data you do. How did you get that result unless you fucked with it?
00:54:13
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Because i look at me, I can do all this myself. So you go from that experience to having haunted MTL to not doing any...
00:54:25
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
investigations after that to going holy shit i really hate the movie the witch sincerely like it i it's a good period drama but it's not a horror movie for me so i made a post about the witch and i that took some traction because that was the biggest movie on the fucking planet at that time and then i was thinking man maybe i just remove review movies and horror stuff like that so that kind of spun off that way And then you fast forward through all of that stuff and you give your staff podcasts that they crash and burn on or whatever. Everyone's learning. all big No big deal.
00:54:59
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And then you're like, oh you know what? I really want to get back to journalism. So let's do a interview a podcast that everyone who can just come talk to me. And we first started out as horror land.
00:55:11
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And then the people, of the brilliant people, thank you, Melissa. Oh, yeah. Wilson Michaels up there. I have an autographed picture of yellow from her.
00:55:21
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And it gets to people were like, T&E channels putting out UFOs and haunted whatever's and mediums of this. And so you start talking to them. And you realize a the real people right now, not just investigators, but the people who had these experiences.
00:55:37
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And I go, my God, like this is exactly it. And talking to, to name drop again, Andrea Perrin from The Conjuring House from Bathsheba, Search of Evil, only on T&E.
00:55:49
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
You're welcome, free plug. So you see this and you go, okay, this is what I did in The Conjuring movie. And I investigated the Warrens. And the Warrens look fake as fuck. But that's just me saying it. In my opinion and my opinion, I think Warrens put the thumb on the scale a bit sometimes. not saying they're completely fake. I'm just saying they had their thumb on the scale.
00:56:08
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
That's all I'm saying. You know what mean? And maybe they did, maybe they didn't. I don't know. And personally, they're all dead. But from what I've seen from their investigation notes, it didn't add up.
00:56:19
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
It just did 2 plus 285.
00:56:22
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
So you're talking to Andrea Perrin who actually lived in that damn house. She's like, yeah, I remember the Warrens coming over and then they left. Not because they were afraid. We just didn't want them there.
00:56:33
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
They were trying to spin their own narrative. They had a preconceived notion of what it would be. And she's like, that's not what it was at all. So you actually read Andrea's books, you know, House of Light, House of Dark, vice versa. And you see like, okay.
00:56:48
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
There is people who gone through the experiences, who talk truthfully about them, what they believe that they experience at least versus what they're trying to sell a product.
00:56:58
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And there's enough people like that. So as that podcast grew, that's when I started to become more, more comfortable talking about paranormal myself. Just by being exposed, going, okay, this is not just something I went through.
00:57:12
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
was like, you know, whatever. This is out there. And talking to the women from my haunted most haunted histories, that helped a lot too.
00:57:20
Lee Hatfield
History most haunted. History most haunted.
00:57:21
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
History is most haunted.
00:57:22
Lee Hatfield
Come on. Come on.
00:57:23
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Sorry, Melissa.
00:57:23
Lee Hatfield
That's twice now you've got that wrong.
00:57:24
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
I'm really shit at names. I really am.
00:57:27
Lee Hatfield
Yes. Corinne, Kelly and Leanne.
00:57:28
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
History is most haunted. Kelly and Liam.
00:57:31
Lee Hatfield
See, I know these things.
00:57:33
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah, see, there you go. There go But you talk to them and... you see the medium generally, you you see all these people coming out and really being able to talk the talk.
00:57:46
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
I don't want to out this person. So I'm going to use, we both have a mutual acquaintance in the UK. I'm not going to say the name, but they, I'm not going to say the gender.
00:58:01
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
They had paranormal abilities. And we got to talking after my interview, but not on cam, right?
00:58:13
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
So you find out that even people who just come through your life are like, oh, by the way, this also da da da da. da da Okay. And so it makes you more comfortable. I mean, I do tarot readings now just because mean i need the money.
00:58:30
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Kidding. I don't need the money. I do i don't do it for money. I do tarot readings because I don't. kind of keep my skills sharp, I guess.
00:58:39
Lee Hatfield
So the fact, yeah, I know exactly who you're talking about. Because
00:58:43
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yep. Because she never, oh way they never said anything about it. They did say power, I'm like i'm not going to, but power up is really damn good. they You know, they never said anything on cam, so I didn't want to.
00:58:53
Lee Hatfield
I'm going to get you to edit all those you. all those parts out of you
00:59:00
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Oh, no. That's been the entire thing. It'll be one big power up spot for my power life. That's my power by Tony Horner.
00:59:05
Lee Hatfield
Okay, so after Haunted ML, it's not just... that That was a podcast. So before we move on to some of the other podcasts, because we are running out of time, is there any particular...
00:59:22
Lee Hatfield
person that you interviewed or subject that you spoke about that was like a jaw-dropping moment for you to go a wow that happened and dukeke you you know you cannot explain it they can't explain it but it's kind of stuck in the back of your mind as if somebody asked you this question this incident comes to light
00:59:47
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yes. Yes. there There is a moment where I couldn't explain it. They couldn't explain it. It's how the Barbie movie made so much fucking money.
00:59:59
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
No one could explain it. Was the pink thing? Was it the marketing program? I don't know. i don't know.
01:00:04
Lee Hatfield
I'm going to drive to Montreal and kick your ass in a minute.
01:00:09
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
At this point, that's the only part that would mean work still in my ass.
01:00:10
Lee Hatfield
Answer the goddamn answer the goddamn question.
01:00:15
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Well, there's the thing is like,
01:00:18
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Has there ever been a moment that I mean going, oh my God, oh my God, I can't explain that? No. However, there has been moments where I have to believe the person. I have to be believe the person. I i think it's scary. and I think it's like, oh my gosh, that's kind of cool.
01:00:34
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
There are moments where I would talk to someone off cam and go like, oh shit, I wish that was on cam right now. where I will have great geeky conversations with them. Because for example, I'll give you example.
01:00:50
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
You have the experience. I believe you brought this in my podcast was fair game. You had the experience of someone doing a mediumship over the onlines. Over the onlines.
01:01:02
Lee Hatfield
Correct.
01:01:02
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Jesus, how old am I? Over the interwebs. And for me, it was always like, man, how do they do that it's online? And then I had this conversation from with someone else like, Yeah, it's just distance is weird because it doesn't matter.
01:01:18
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
I'm like, yeah, you're right. This why would distance matter at all? It's just this this fucking astral thing is just one thing at all places. So it doesn't shouldn't matter. Distance is made up. And I actually teach that distance is made up. Time is made up as two.
01:01:31
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And so I think that was more of the eureka moment than a jaw drop. was more of a, oh, fuck that. Yeah, that's it. That's the answer. 12. twelve
01:01:40
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, because the incident you're talking about, I gave her permission to Astral Project or Remote View, whichever you want to call it, and she was describing something on a shelf diagonally opposite, that there's no way that this camera can reflect with all the pictures.
01:01:53
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Mm-hmm.
01:01:56
Lee Hatfield
it is right literally over there in the far corner. And then she got that spot on, and then something else, I asked her to describe the shower curtain, because I can see the bathroom window,
01:02:09
Lee Hatfield
and we have two shower curtains and she literally described them both she was in california i'm in canada she's never been to to canada she's never been to ottawa she's never been to my apartment so how is she able to get that okay that yeah but you've only been to what you well
01:02:24
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
She asked me.
01:02:27
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
No. Wouldn't that be the answer, though? Wouldn't that be just a letdown answer? But no, I don't know. I'd never met her before.
01:02:33
Lee Hatfield
We've got a mutual friend who shall be named like nameless.
01:02:35
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yes.
01:02:37
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
but yeah They have a name.
01:02:37
Lee Hatfield
and eal He does. He does. And he collared me at one of the conventions that you and I normally do in Winnipeg, but you didn't know last year.
01:02:49
Lee Hatfield
And he said, i want to tell you something. He spent an entire evening going through mine and my wife's social media to try to see if the things that she had described were in our photographs, and they were not.
01:03:08
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Was of the things he or they were trying to tell you was they're stalking you.
01:03:13
Lee Hatfield
Yes, that's it.
01:03:13
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
They went through an entire night of your social media. No, you and your wife.
01:03:16
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, well, last it was it was good.
01:03:16
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
That's a restraining order, sir. That is a restraining order.
01:03:19
Lee Hatfield
He's a good enough friend for me to actually ask that question, and he laughed. so But, yeah, he actually tried to debunk it by looking through the photographs of our social media.
01:03:27
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah.
01:03:31
Lee Hatfield
And the items that she described were not photographed on our social media.
01:03:35
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah.
01:03:38
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, someone said, well, she may have spoken to the wife, but Kelly doesn't know who I'm speaking to from one day to the next.
01:03:44
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Hi, Kelly. Yeah.
01:03:45
Lee Hatfield
So, hi, Kelly. So that she just what heaped out of the corner on my eye. So that didn't happen either. So yeah for somebody who's in a different country and from one part of the landmass to the other, how could she explain items in my apartment?
01:04:00
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah,
01:04:06
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
yeah and they weren't particular items like you had. There would be one thing there's some string in your junk drawer. I'm like, no shit.
01:04:17
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Who doesn't have a string?
01:04:18
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
01:04:19
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
It wasn't enough for that. It was very particular. So i do appreciate, you know, game, appreciate game. I would say that would be a follow up for me. I'm like, Oh, you're coming back. going to do some other shit.
01:04:33
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
I appreciate moments like that. And that's why I really like your, your podcast. And I really like the TNA channel because you, both give people, I guess myself included, we all give people the honest doubt.
01:04:47
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Like the honest doubt, like, okay, you say you can do this. Let's talk. And it's all, it's just, it's just a talk. Right. And then when they do something that's unexplainable, you're like, oh my God, it's, you know, what can we eliminate first?
01:05:01
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And you try, you try to eliminate this, this, this, and this, and this, and this, whatever's left over, here's your thumb.
01:05:06
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
01:05:06
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
That's how accounting works.
01:05:07
Lee Hatfield
and And that's one thing that you and I both do when we interview these individuals. Number one, we never call them a liar because it's a personal experience that they've had or it's an ability that they've got.
01:05:15
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yep.
01:05:19
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yep.
01:05:21
Lee Hatfield
We don't know what's going on in some in someone's head, especially not yours.
01:05:26
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
I don't even know that.
01:05:26
Lee Hatfield
and And even even today, there's been yeah there's been some extremely blunt comments.
01:05:28
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yes, you do.
01:05:33
Lee Hatfield
However, we're not bullshitting people. We're coming out with what's reality.
01:05:39
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah.
01:05:40
Lee Hatfield
And that's one thing that you have to do. yeah The amount of people that can go, oh I saw a ghost. Well, yeah there was smoke or there was steam or yeah I can see a devil's face front you.
01:05:50
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
he was making tea and steam came up.
01:05:52
Lee Hatfield
Yeah,
Closing Remarks and Future Projects
01:05:53
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
t
01:05:53
Lee Hatfield
devil's devil's face in flames or yeah God's face on toast.
01:05:57
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Jesus, I'm a toast.
01:05:58
Lee Hatfield
Everybody knows about paludalia or audio auditory paludalia. Yeah. But people do not accept it. It's like, no, I know what happened.
01:06:09
Lee Hatfield
yeah Like lens flare when people take camera. Oh, it was the spirit of my whatever.
01:06:14
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
JJ.
01:06:16
Lee Hatfield
No, it was lens flare.
01:06:16
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah. No, we've seen enough J.J. Abrams movies. know No, no, no,
01:06:21
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, exactly.
01:06:21
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
and if you ever wanted we almost wanted to okay take carterzone one of the things when i take chrozone
01:06:31
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
hear or tonightus itself tonight is itself is gonna make you hear shit you can like can check off and and kind of do that now i will have a caveat i agree your personal truth is a personal truth I can never say no because this is what you're thinking.
01:06:47
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
You don't always know what you're thinking but I should never be able to know what you're thinking. thinking. have a disagreement with, and I think we might both might, with the paranormal experts when they go on shows and try to explain someone else's truth. I'm like, oh, you're just lying, dude. You're selling a fucking book.
01:07:02
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Which is fine. You're selling a book. You're selling a book. I got It's not just power up. Hey, look, Surviving Gen X. Get it now. But... If that's the purpose, then they're not trying to investigate anything. They already have the answer.
01:07:18
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And I don't like that part of the shows. Because I can see they're lying.
01:07:24
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, because we have another mutual friend who, when he found out that I was doing the paranormal investigating, investigating, He actually said, oh, that's bullshit. And I went, oh, so you've done your own research and you've got evidence that it's crap. He went, no.
01:07:41
Lee Hatfield
I said, so how can you say it's bullshit? Oh, it just is. So that's your personal opinion because you do not believe.
01:07:44
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah.
01:07:47
Lee Hatfield
However, this is how we are doing things. And I gave him some examples of how we do stuff. And then I gave him some examples of stuff that we cannot explain.
01:07:58
Lee Hatfield
A couple of the EVPs, and I went, okay, tell me what that was. And he goes, it was you breathing. I went, dude, I was a paramedic for 13 years. I know how people breathe. And I'm not going to do a double breath straight after I've spoken. Otherwise, I've got a medical problem.
01:08:13
Lee Hatfield
So... come on, explain what it is. And he couldn't explain it. And then slowly, i during that conversation, you could say, well, okay, yes, maybe there there could be some things that are unexplained.
01:08:26
Lee Hatfield
And I went, so is it really bullshit or is that just your interpretation? He went, okay, I take it back.
01:08:33
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And that's the the im Dancing Wooly Masters by Gary Zookoff. There is a chapter on nonsense. It's a book on quantum physics, I think. or male Thank you, Meliovic, for that one.
01:08:47
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
There's a chapter on nonsense and nonsense in a scientific term he's saying is just things that we're not smart enough to understand yet. One person might understand it. The other person doesn't. So they all, it's just nonsense. The other person's like, no, no, this is what's kind of happening or not.
01:09:03
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And I think that we get a lot of that in the paranormal where some people say nonsense while actually trying to think it through. And it might not be things that they can grasp yet.
01:09:16
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
But if they exclude the possibility of it, then it goes back to I know versus I don't know. It's always better I don't know.
01:09:25
Lee Hatfield
I said, and at least we are in a day and age now where more people are coming out with their stories because they know that the more people are going to listen to them rather than ridicule them.
01:09:33
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah.
01:09:36
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yep. Absolutely. And that was always the fear, right? Very cool.
01:09:41
Lee Hatfield
Exactly.
01:09:42
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Very cool stories.
01:09:43
Lee Hatfield
Right, my friend, we are coming towards the end. So please give a shout out to all your other podcasts and then let me know what's next on the agenda politely for Joe Shefchek.
01:10:00
Lee Hatfield
I didn't ever say Shefchek.
01:10:01
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
you looked up the note how to say my name.
01:10:03
Lee Hatfield
I did because I was going to go Zuzik, but apparently that's not how you say it.
01:10:03
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
I'm talking.
01:10:07
Lee Hatfield
But yeah, so give a shout out for your other podcast and and what's not what's on the agenda.
01:10:08
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
The bonus.
01:10:13
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
na ki mash So I have two podcasts we've been doing for a couple of years. Season five starts this year. Amelie Delphi and myself do Streaming Demons, where we discuss any type of streaming medium, including TV shows and movies and audio books and games, whatever.
01:10:34
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Doesn't matter the genre. Check it out. It's naughty. And we also have, we I also have What's Cracking with Joe Shefchak, meaning I interview just like this. Hello. In fact, you're my last one. yaay where we take people political don't matter it could be horror don't matter it movers and changers artists everyone is included and it doesn't matter if what you believe in or what political spectrum you're on everyone gets a share voice or fair voice whatever fair shake there you i have that and i have of course the scarlet mysteries book one scarlet shadows coming out it's jessica jones meets veronica mars mystery and mystery
01:11:14
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
All that and more on Extreme Endemons. Nope, nope. Sorry. On the next year.
01:11:19
Lee Hatfield
So when are you expecting Scarlet Shadows to be released?
01:11:23
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
It's going to editor in about two hours. and When it gets released, probably four to six months after that. So... June-ish, June-ish. And I have a game coming out called Wasted Wisdom, which it's a party game.
01:11:44
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
It's trivia and physical challenges and drinking. Or push-ups, no drinking, all good. Physical is fine. And that will come out, gosh, probably around the same time, June, July.
01:11:56
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
lot of stuff.
01:11:56
Lee Hatfield
So you're busy, busy your man then.
01:11:58
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah, and I'm working on my screenplay right now of Humbug. where a paranormal investigator, Lee, you might like this one. It's where a paranormal investigator goes out and debunks a bunch of things and tell the one time they can't.
01:12:13
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
And then things go really wrong after that.
01:12:16
Lee Hatfield
And what a final few words to say to finish this
01:12:19
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Yeah. Thanks for having my show, man.
01:12:22
Lee Hatfield
I ain't got to that part yet. Thank you very much for being part of this show.
01:12:23
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
No.
01:12:26
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Oh, thanks for having of the show, man.
01:12:27
Lee Hatfield
and know I knew that it wasn't going to go absolutely normal because you are not.
01:12:34
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Is it gone para normal?
01:12:35
Lee Hatfield
and i've Oh, ba-dum.
01:12:37
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
I mean, two normals. Two normals make a right. It's para.
01:12:39
Lee Hatfield
Ba-dum. But thank you for all your assistance in the past and no doubt all your assistance yet to come.
01:12:42
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Oh.
01:12:47
Lee Hatfield
And thank you for being a part of Super Paranormal Podcast. Joe, have a great rest of the day, my friend.
01:12:54
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Thank you, sir. If I would make it a great day with my Winnie Pooh and my power up by Tony Horne.
01:12:59
Lee Hatfield
Don't you dare.
01:12:59
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
See, one more plug.
01:13:01
Lee Hatfield
Don't you dare. Thanks, mate.
01:13:02
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
I believe it.
01:13:02
Lee Hatfield
Take care.
01:13:02
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
But thanks so much.
01:13:03
Lee Hatfield
Bye-bye.
01:13:03
Sir Lord Doctor Jo
Bye, everyone.