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S2 E6 Kat Ward - Paranormal Heart Podcast
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I am delighted to have Kat Ward with me, Kat is a paranormal investigator with Canadian Supernatural Research Society, or CSRS.
She's a sensitive, and she's also the host of the Paranormal Heart podcast, which broadcasts on the United Public Radio Network or UPRN. Kat, welcome.
From Experiencing the Hat man, playing with a Ouija Board, and hearing footsteps in a fort, Kat experienced the paranormal from an early age.
We spoke about how she was able to predict future incidents and picking up on deceased wives in a family home.
I then spoke to Kat about admitting that she has abilities, despite the fact she keeps denying it, and her interaction with a malevolent spirit.
Kat then told me about how she started the Paranormal Heart Podcast, and her time with the Canadian Supernatural Research Society (CSRS)
We finished off with Kat telling me about her being invited to Narrate a series of books
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Transcript
Intro
Introduction to Kat Ward & Paranormal Heart
00:00:12
Lee Hatfield
Hello, everybody, and welcome to the latest episode of SEPA Paranormal Chronicles. Tonight, I am delighted to have Kat Ward with me. Kat is a paranormal investigator with Canadian Supernatural Research Society, or CSRS.
00:00:28
Lee Hatfield
That's nearly as long as SEPA. We'll come on to that in a bit. She's a sensitive, and she's also the host of the Paranormal Heart podcast, which broadcasts on the United Public Radio Network or UPRN. Kat, welcome.
00:00:45
Kat Ward
Hello, Lee. Thank you so much for having me.
First Encounter with the Hat Man
00:00:48
Lee Hatfield
Look at you sounding all sophisticated when you wasn't doing that online.
00:00:54
Lee Hatfield
So thank you for being on. It's an absolute pleasure to have you. we You and I been talking for months because I had to go to the UK, so we had to cancel and you cancelled recently for other reasons.
00:00:58
Kat Ward
My pleasure.
00:01:07
Lee Hatfield
But now,
00:01:09
Kat Ward
finally doing it.
00:01:10
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, let's not tell anybody that this is the second part of tonight because shh, don't tell anybody. the won They won't know.
00:01:16
Kat Ward
our secret.
00:01:18
Lee Hatfield
So, Kat, what I always like to do, always like to ask people to go back in time. This is where we get the time travel music.
00:01:26
Kat Ward
Do I have a TARDIS with me too?
00:01:26
Lee Hatfield
And yeah, why not? In fact, I can lend you one.
00:01:31
Kat Ward
I have one.
00:01:32
Lee Hatfield
but but but what but
00:01:33
Kat Ward
Yeah, I have one.
00:01:35
Lee Hatfield
Oh, I just broke a bit of Lego off my TARDIS. Okay, so what was your very first paranormal experience, if you can remember that long back?
00:01:44
Kat Ward
Oh yeah. I'm not that old.
00:01:50
Kat Ward
Yeah. So, I was born and raised on the East coast of Canada in a province called New Brunswick, uh, in a little town called Dieppe. And my parents, i have no siblings. Uh, so was my parents and I living in this, uh, three story apartment building. We lived on the top floor and there was only one apartment per floor.
00:02:09
Kat Ward
was a very, very creepy building. Before we moved in, when they first built the apartment, it used to have a coal furnace in the basement for heating. So I don't know how old that what that building would have been, but it was pretty pretty darn old.
00:02:24
Kat Ward
So I had encounters with the hat man, but he was four feet tall. My father even says now that the night terrors I used to have in that apartment building, which is no longer there, they tore it down years ago.
00:02:39
Kat Ward
He would always say that I would wake up screaming about the the man in my closet, the man in my closet. They'd come running, you know, but he never he never paid attention to me. It was almost like he was...
00:02:53
Kat Ward
trying to secure the perimeter type thing. I don't know. He was just looking around in the room. He never looked at me, but I was terrified. So I'd have the covers, you know, just below my eyes. It's like, don't breathe, don't move, because maybe he won't see me. He was blacker than black.
00:03:10
Kat Ward
four feet tall, as opposed to the tall hat man that a lot of people have seen. But he had the blower hat and the the cloak. And you couldn't see his features. no I couldn't see the face. It was all black. And he didn't appear every night. But it was often enough that I'm 58 years old now, and I still remember the guy. And
Understanding the Hat Man Phenomenon
00:03:31
Kat Ward
I've never known who he was, where he was coming from, why was he there.
00:03:38
Kat Ward
There was one time my father, because at the time he didn't really believe my father in paranormal and and all that, and had a big walk-in closet, so he he decided, okay, we're going try and get rid of this this nonsense of you seeing this hat man. So he brought me in the closet and he says, see, kiddo, there's nothing here at night that isn't here during the daytime.
00:04:01
Kat Ward
Well, me being the little smart kid that I was, and I looked at him and I said, you mean he's here in the daytime too? And he's just like, that that kind of backfired on him.
00:04:11
Kat Ward
And I was afraid of my bedroom for the daytime and the nighttime for a very long time. Move several years forward, I was listening to a podcast called, it was used it used to be called Paratruths.
00:04:25
Kat Ward
radio Now it's called Parachute Reborn. And I had never really spoken about this hat man to every, like to it to very many people, just my parents knew, you know. So I didn't know that this entity was seen by other people.
00:04:41
Kat Ward
So I'm listening to an episode and it was the hat man. So I was intrigued. I was so like, you mean other people have been seeing this thing, but the guests that they were talking to, it was the tall version. So I sent them in an email saying, hey, absolutely loved the episode, but I've seen the same thing, but he was only about four feet tall.
00:05:03
Kat Ward
So Justin Canceleri, one of the hosts, sent me a reply saying, thank you very much. You need to watch this link. So there's this video on YouTube that he sent me, this this guy, he's Canadian.
00:05:14
Kat Ward
He did a reenactment of the hat man that he saw.
Consulting Psychics: Guardian or Threat?
00:05:20
Kat Ward
It was exactly the same thing that I saw as a child. How can that be?
00:05:24
Kat Ward
You know, i mean, so... i was so flabbergasted, I guess. It's just like, oh my, somebody else. This is amazing. Didn't know it had a name, the hat man. So he has been haunting my memories, I guess, for lack of a better term, for many, many years. just wondered what he is and who he is and I've I have two very talented psychics that I trust like that I've never
Kat's Paranormal Roots & Family Experiences
00:05:54
Kat Ward
seen such talented psychics and I asked they don't know each other and I asked them what do you think this entity was and they both said that it was a guardian of mine and I'm like a guardian I've never heard of that before because normally the hat man is something it's not very friendly and they said no it was guarding you from other things that were in that apartment building in that apartment
00:06:13
Kat Ward
apartment really did feel like I don't know I still have dreams of that of that apartment building and the hat man because i'm I'm I've never stopped thinking about him because I want to know more like what was he and sadly the apartment building's been torn down so I can't really go back and do an investigation but that was my first paranormal experience
00:06:37
Lee Hatfield
You do realize that he's protecting you from what was in the closet.
00:06:41
Kat Ward
Oh, maybe I never thought of that.
00:06:44
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, so it's all your dad's fault. So I'm like, yeah, there's nothing in the closet. No, it's the hat man. And it's it's really, love the fact that people, I've spoken to a couple of people talking about the hat man. And I spoke to one guy and I went, I don't know if you know, but in the UK, and I think it's a sherry or a port.
00:07:04
Lee Hatfield
that they sell. And it has the figure of the hat man with the hat.
00:07:10
Kat Ward
Really?
00:07:11
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. and And it's like, he went, No, you're joking.
00:07:13
Kat Ward
Wow.
00:07:14
Lee Hatfield
So I googled it. And yeah, and it literally is the hat man in his cloak with obviously his hat. And it's like a sherry or port, I can't remember what it was.
00:07:22
Kat Ward
Wow.
00:07:25
Lee Hatfield
But so did you exactly, exactly.
00:07:27
Kat Ward
Spirits and spirits.
00:07:30
Lee Hatfield
That's what it is. what I tell the jokes on the host, not you. Okay.
00:07:33
Kat Ward
but don't
00:07:34
Lee Hatfield
yeah stop it so there' there's there's a stop button there can't these cheeky Canadians so were you able to do any research into if there was anything before that property was built that would indicate towards it being of a paranormal nature
00:07:36
Kat Ward
Yes, sir.
00:07:38
Kat Ward
Yes, sir.
00:07:57
Kat Ward
No, I've been, I've sent emails out to the local library, like the Dieppe Library and the Moncton Library, trying to get information from newspapers or whatever, trying to find out what, because I still remember the address, and I, nobody can get back, well, they get back to me and they say, sorry, we don't have any information. So next time I go home, I plan on trying to see if I can access some archives or something to find out what was there before.
00:08:24
Lee Hatfield
And it's yeah I get really envious about people like yourself because yeah my first paranormal experience happened 2000,
00:08:36
Lee Hatfield
it must have been after 2004, so 2005, 2006.
00:08:39
Kat Ward
Mm-hmm.
00:08:41
Lee Hatfield
But I was a skeptic for the longest time simply because I wanted to experience something, but something never happened. And I always remember, but I was always fascinated with ghosts and spirits and stuff like that. And I remember reading a magazine and I saw it on Facebook. It reminded me the other day, somebody posted it on one of these archive antique
Changing Attitudes Toward the Paranormal
00:09:07
Lee Hatfield
Facebook pages. And it was called The Unexplained.
00:09:10
Lee Hatfield
And it was from England. And one of the articles was about spontaneous human combustion. And I thought this was going to happen like every day of my life. And it didn't.
00:09:20
Kat Ward
I did an episode on that not too long ago.
00:09:21
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:09:22
Kat Ward
Yeah.
00:09:22
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. And so you must have seen the the picture of the leg in there. There's a really iconic picture of I think it was an old guy that burnt and always left his from his knee to his foot.
00:09:35
Lee Hatfield
And yeah, I thought that kind of thing was going to happen like every day. It's like quick sound, isn't it? It's not like yeah quick sound is not going to happen every single day.
00:09:41
Kat Ward
Yeah.
00:09:44
Lee Hatfield
It's like stop, drop and roll. You thought that would be so useful in your life, but it isn't.
00:09:48
Kat Ward
Yep.
00:09:49
Lee Hatfield
sir So after experiencing your first few instances in in your childhood home, how did things progress as you grew older? Did you still experience different things or did it have a quiet period before you became an adult? or How did that kind of phase out?
00:10:09
Kat Ward
I've, excuse me, I've always been, like in your intro, a sensitive. And my so after we moved from the apartment building to the house that we bought, it was an older house.
00:10:23
Kat Ward
My parents renovated And I hate to say, but as a teenager, i my friends and I used the Ouija board. Yeah. yeah i know i know stupid teenager but we did close it properly asked yeah yeah ash actually asked questions about the house that i was still living in and uh it said something about this little girl said something about um about
00:10:34
Lee Hatfield
OK, I'm going. Bye.
00:10:40
Lee Hatfield
You hope. You hope you closed it.
00:10:55
Kat Ward
I sorry, something about her father who was also her mother. And it's just like, what? Come to find out. So when, what my father and I did, we we did some of the renos ourselves. So the attic, we actually dropped the the seal, the the roof so we could just have like no attic. When we were ripping off the gyprock, we saw that there was, there had been a fire upstairs.
00:11:19
Kat Ward
And it's like, oh, this is interesting. Did a little bit of research at the Moncton Library. Apparently this father and this little girl lived in that house before and she perished because she accidentally started a fire.
00:11:34
Kat Ward
And I thought, whoa, okay. I always felt something in that house too. Like even the cat would be sound asleep in the hall, curled up and all a sudden it would jump up and hiss. And you know, when they, when they're all the hair is all in the hall and and I would just say, okay, you need to go away now. And then the cat would settle down and just little things like that throughout the, throughout my life would happen.
00:11:59
Lee Hatfield
Do you know what kind of period the fire was?
00:12:05
Kat Ward
I don't recall right now. At the time, I did know, but I don't recall. And that when I looked into seeing if the father was still alive, he was. And I so badly wanted to reach out to him.
00:12:16
Kat Ward
But what do you say? It's like, hey, I live in your house. I know about your little girl. like how do you How do you approach someone like that?
00:12:22
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, that, yeah. it's It's like people that are like mediums and they go up to people. Oh, by the way, yeah your auntie says hi. It's like, what?
00:12:37
Lee Hatfield
She only died last week kind of thing. And it's like, okay. But I did speak to somebody at the beginning of last year and they're a medium. And the first thing that they knew about their husband's mother dying she was teaching a class in school because she was a teacher and the spirit appeared at the back of the room so i like oh i think i might need to go so the fact that you had these experiences at what kind of age did you realize
00:13:01
Kat Ward
Oh no.
00:13:07
Kat Ward
Wow.
00:13:17
Lee Hatfield
that this was not of this earth, so to speak, yeah or yeah the the word paranormal. did you When did you kind of realise that this was a thing?
00:13:30
Kat Ward
Probably as an early teen, I didn't, my parents didn't make me feel like it was an odd thing because some of my dreams would come true and it was usually plane crashes. I'd get up in the middle the night, tell my parents about the, like, I'd give them all the details. And then the next day, and this was before everything was 24 seven that you could get the news, you know, at midnight, everything's dead silent. No radio, no TV. Yes, that happened. So I would tell my parents,
00:13:57
Kat Ward
And the next day, we're having dinner. We had the the news on at 5 o'clock, and they talk about the aircraft,
Growing Up Sensitive & Family Support
00:14:03
Kat Ward
the airplane crash. And my parents and I would just look at each other's like, okay. My friends used to think that I was a weird girl that liked ghosts. I still am, but I don't care what anybody says. But I tried not to talk about it very much just because it was a stigma back then.
00:14:19
Kat Ward
Just because sometimes I knew things, you know, my friends and I would would play with cards and they'd say, OK, what's this card? And I tell them it's like a dark jack. I can't tell which I don't know which which suit it's from. And then they'd be like, oh, my God, you know, just certain things like that. But it's not something that you went around back in the day telling everybody that, hey, I can do this.
00:14:42
Kat Ward
But probably as an early, tip because my mother, it it was something that is actually in the family.
00:14:42
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. and
00:14:48
Kat Ward
My mother could actually communicate with her grandfather and not even be in the same building. It was like a mind speak type thing. So my mom, and she was very, very Roman Catholic, very, very religious. But to her, this was just... We didn't call it paranormal back then.
00:15:05
Kat Ward
I can't remember what we used to call it. But when I was in my early teens,
Becoming a Paranormal Investigator
00:15:08
Kat Ward
I realized, okay, this is actually a thing. It's not just something in the family.
00:15:12
Lee Hatfield
You're a witch.
00:15:13
Kat Ward
yeah yeah
00:15:13
Lee Hatfield
You're a witch. That's what it is.
00:15:14
Kat Ward
Maybe. but
00:15:17
Lee Hatfield
And it's interesting that you come out with that because if, as somebody who I like to call myself a skeptic with an open mind, i would start asking you questions. Okay, where was the plane crash? yeah what What was the date?
00:15:34
Lee Hatfield
And at that time, would have also got you to to write everything down.
00:15:34
Kat Ward
No.
00:15:40
Lee Hatfield
And then you could kind of checkmark it. OK, she said that. it was It crashed into a mountain. yeah and and try And try and study it. But you mentioned about the stigma. Back in the day, nobody, nobody spoke about it.
00:15:57
Lee Hatfield
Whereas now, like paranormal groups are coming out the yin yang. they They're all over the place. And like we do Ottawa Comic Con and you'll get people coming up to you and just, oh, let me tell you about the time when.
00:16:14
Lee Hatfield
And that this and it's it's becoming more open that people can talk about it now, which is good because you're getting more and more like really cool experiences that people can't, you know, like.
00:16:14
Kat Ward
Yeah. It is, yeah.
00:16:20
Kat Ward
it is yeah
00:16:28
Lee Hatfield
you know You're not but just going to come out with this and just say it randomly. But even when people find out that you're a paranormal investigator, I've got a manager at work today going, are places still as haunted in the winter as what they are in the summer?
00:16:43
Lee Hatfield
I'm like, what? I'm trying to eat my sandwich. Leave me alone. And it's like, but yeah, it was a genuine question because, yeah, do would and do people do as much paranormal investigate in the winter as what we do in the summer? And then we started having a conversation about, yeah, there's just as much hauntings in the daytime as what there is in the nighttime.
00:17:04
Kat Ward
Yes, there Nice.
00:17:04
Lee Hatfield
yeah and we But the people in my office, I don't get ridiculed. It's kind of like one of my colleagues, oh, you're doing that you're doing that episode tonight, aren't you? I yeah, I am.
00:17:17
Lee Hatfield
Oh, I hope it goes well. and And they just accept it.
00:17:19
Kat Ward
nice
00:17:20
Lee Hatfield
And it's like knitting. yeah Oh, i'm knitting it I'm knitting a scarf. OK, great. yeah But they just accept it nowadays. And it's much more of a an open,
00:17:32
Lee Hatfield
opportunity to talk to people. And you get some really, really cool, interesting stories.
00:17:35
Kat Ward
Yes.
00:17:38
Lee Hatfield
And it's fantastic. I love it.
00:17:40
Kat Ward
I'm so happy that people are opening up more because you get more data, I guess, for lack of a better term, hearing about other people's experiences, especially if there's similar experience and where you might have not even been born in the same country and you're like, oh, you had that experience too over here over in England, for example. It's just really amazing.
00:18:03
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, because you mentioned about the hat man. I spoke to a guy that was talking about offline, and he experienced that man in Germany.
00:18:11
Kat Ward
Oh, wow. Tall one or short one?
00:18:12
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, short the short one.
00:18:13
Kat Ward
Or did he say? Really?
00:18:15
Lee Hatfield
Sorry, there's a tall one. too
00:18:17
Kat Ward
oh the tall one.
00:18:17
Lee Hatfield
i I had a 50-50 chance, so I got it completely wrong.
00:18:17
Kat Ward
Okay.
00:18:22
Lee Hatfield
But, yeah, I was speaking to an author last year, and she went, oh, I must... get I must send you the details for this person. And as soon as we finished the interview, I had to get her to stop after she sent me 15 names.
00:18:41
Kat Ward
wow
00:18:42
Lee Hatfield
Oh, you must reach out to this person. And Tommy, hi, Tommy.
00:18:44
Kat Ward
Yeah. Hi, Tommy.
00:18:45
Lee Hatfield
tell me tell me Tommy was one of them. Oh, you must reach out to these people. And it's like it's such a close knit community now where you can ask people questions. And most people that are in the same kind of group that we're in,
00:18:56
Kat Ward
Yeah.
00:18:59
Lee Hatfield
they will yeah hop on each other's podcasts. like
00:19:02
Kat Ward
Yeah.
00:19:03
Lee Hatfield
And it's like, oh, I've interviewed them. Oh, yes, so have I. And i've done yeah and so have I. So moving forward through your your life in Dieppe, which is in France, by the way.
00:19:14
Lee Hatfield
It's not in Canada.
00:19:15
Kat Ward
Yes, I know. Yeah.
00:19:18
Lee Hatfield
how How did you kind of like develop into more of a sensitive? And how did you decide that you wanted to make a hobby?
00:19:31
Lee Hatfield
so Because like yeah know people don't do careers out of paranormal investigation, unfortunately. So how did that kind of develop?
00:19:39
Kat Ward
I've always had an interest in weird things like that, like cryptids like Bigfoot, because back in the day, it was only Bigfoot that we knew of, really, and ghosts. And I remember reading a book early on about Ed and Lorraine Warren that nobody even knew who they were back then. And I was fascinated. I'm just like, oh, my God, I love this. Wish I could meet the people. and Sadly, I never did. just...
Starting the Paranormal Heart Podcast
00:20:00
Kat Ward
just just My parents and I would go to a place in Nova Scotia called Fort Lewisburg. It's an old 1800 fort.
00:20:11
Kat Ward
I think it's a French fort.
00:20:12
Lee Hatfield
Bye.
00:20:13
Kat Ward
And there was this one time that one of the buildings that we went into, it was the main building. It was towards the end of the day. So my parents and I had a tour guide with us and the building was under construction. So we couldn't go into a lot of places. so We're standing there and she's telling us about the building and and I'm looking down the hall and I'm really intrigued and i and I'm just like,
00:20:40
Kat Ward
What is that? It sounded like a boot, boof boot, boot, good grief. Booted feet. Booted feet on the floor.
00:20:48
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:20:49
Kat Ward
who So the tour guide saw me looking down the hall. She goes, what are you doing? I said, oh, I hear footsteps down the hall. And she goes, as a joke, saying, oh, it's probably our ghost.
00:21:00
Kat Ward
Well, it wasn't a ghost. She probably thought it was going to deter me from going to investigate. I'm seven or eight or something like that. and she says it's probably our ghost i went ghost and i'm at that age i'm already intrigued i want to go check it out so her and my parents are like no no no don't it's dangerous all that and she says there's all the workers are done for the day there's nobody in the building other than the three the four of us and it's just little things like that that just really really intrigued me so when my husband and i and our kids moved to ontario
00:21:33
Kat Ward
He's ex-military now. And this is where we were posted. a friend of mine messaged me one day on Facebook and said, there's this lady on Facebook, and I know you're right into ghosts. She's looking to start a paranormal team.
00:21:46
Kat Ward
And I'm like, okay. She said she's she's looking to start a team, and she wants people to to join. So her name is Katie Turner. I don't know if you've heard of her. She's the lead investigator of the team that I'm with and very gifted psychic. I've like, it's it's crazy how gifted she is. And it's like, okay, so my husband and i used to always watch Most Haunted, you know, every Friday night and all that. And I said, yeah, this lady, we're going to be meeting at the local Tim Hortons here and have a cup of coffee, see who wants to join the team, see what's what she has to say. And he's like, well, what if they're a bunch of wingnuts? I'm like, well, then I'll say thank you for the coffee. Nice meeting you. i'll ill I'll leave. And I still jokingly say they were a bunch of wingnuts, but I liked them and I joined the team.
00:22:32
Kat Ward
And we did investigations for, you know, for a while. And I haven't done any with them in a long time because my schedule just doesn't coincide with theirs. And but no, we started doing investigations and I was intrigued.
00:22:46
Kat Ward
I knew it wasn't going to be like the television shows, but I knew it was going to be similar.
00:22:49
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:22:51
Kat Ward
But I really didn't know what to expect. But no, it's great team, great people, great. And then I did an interview. a friend over in Newfoundland has a, I don't know if he still has a show. I don't think so. it was called Auti Newfoundland. We had a mutual friend and he wanted me to be on the show.
00:23:10
Kat Ward
And then I had some family and friends reach out after they listened to it and said, you should start your own podcast. And I'm like, hell no, no. So when I mentioned that to my husband, he says, why don't you do that? I'm like, because that's something that other people do.
00:23:23
Kat Ward
So I thought about it. and It took me a good year so I could get software, equipment, stuff like that. And then I started it and that was eight years ago. And I just, the paranormal's always intrigued me.
00:23:37
Lee Hatfield
And that's it. you You kind of go from strength to strength because I know that we started super first and then we actually got invited onto a podcast.
00:23:51
Lee Hatfield
And I'm a bit of a stickler for detail and I always like things to do to be done the right way. And I'm thinking, i could i could do I could do this better.
00:24:01
Lee Hatfield
I could do And then and it kind of got the seed. And then I'm the same. It took me a good four or five months to like, yeah, I was Googling every night.
00:24:14
Lee Hatfield
what's so yeah How to start a podcast and all this kind of stuff. And then i did my first few episodes with just a couple of us talking.
00:24:25
Lee Hatfield
I had my first guest who was a friend of mine.
Memorable Paranormal Investigations
00:24:28
Lee Hatfield
He's a guy that I teach for PPRI that are in Halifax.
00:24:34
Lee Hatfield
And then i started reaching out to people. And I started off and it was like I used to do two a month. And then I'd got...
00:24:42
Kat Ward
I started off with one a month.
00:24:45
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and then I was getting so many, I had to do but one a week because it was like, this is getting crazy.
00:24:45
Kat Ward
yeah
00:24:55
Lee Hatfield
And I didn't expect half the people to say yes, but everyone was sat everyone was saying yes.
00:24:56
Kat Ward
Yep.
00:24:59
Kat Ward
Right?
00:25:01
Lee Hatfield
It was like, oh, wow, shit. Oh, God, what are we going to do? and And then it got that that bad in July that I had to do two a week just to catch up. Okay, extravaganza for July.
00:25:11
Kat Ward
Wow.
00:25:14
Lee Hatfield
I mean, Haunted in July. Or Paranormal in July, I think I called it. Well, I actually did two a week just so that I could catch up with all the episodes.
00:25:20
Kat Ward
Wow. Yeah.
00:25:21
Lee Hatfield
It was getting good. And it's like, even now, I've got enough to last me until. If I don't get any more people saying yes right now, end of February.
00:25:32
Kat Ward
Nice. Yeah.
00:25:32
Lee Hatfield
So it's like it's crazy. So going back to you, because this is about you, not about me.
00:25:34
Kat Ward
yeah
00:25:39
Lee Hatfield
Can you remember the very first investigation that you went on?
00:25:42
Kat Ward
Oh, yes, I can. It was, it was, so one of the team members knew this gentleman.
00:25:45
Lee Hatfield
Spill the beans, girl.
00:25:50
Kat Ward
He was 94 at the time. And the house said he was a widower living by himself. And he said that he was having paranormal activity in his house. So we got the team together and he had his little walker.
00:26:02
Kat Ward
So we, made him an honorary member of the team because we would put like an EMF detector on his walker and he'd follow us, you know, it it was amazing. But so Katie and I are in the main bedroom and one of the spare bedrooms was next to it. So the rest of the team was in that one. And then Katie and I say, if you're here, give us some knocks.
00:26:24
Kat Ward
we heard a knock and we're just like, oh my God, i was giddy. And then I thought, oh it's probably the crew, you know, the the the other, the rest of the team in the other room. So then we said, could you please give us more knocks?
00:26:39
Kat Ward
they We got more knocks, but it was at the other end of the bedroom compared to where the other bedroom was. so it was just like, oh. So then we asked again, could you give us three or four knocks? I can't remember the number. And we got the number of knocks we wanted.
00:26:54
Kat Ward
We were giddy like kids in a candy shop. I was so excited. And then I kept i kept having this... picture in my head of this lady that used to have kind of like a strawberry blonde hair color so i asked one of the the girl who knows him i said do you know if he like you knew the family who is this just come with me so we go into the living room she shows me a picture of this gentleman's late wife when she you know back in the when she had and i just like yeah that's her that i'm picturing so it was just amazing then we go to the basement we're getting emf to detect you know
00:27:29
Kat Ward
We had the EMF detector on the floor and it's lighting up when we're asking questions and I'm just like, okay, well, uh, why? Like I gotta know why what's underneath the concrete that might give us the EMF detector lighting up.
00:27:45
Kat Ward
So that's like, let's move it to see. We found out that it was plumbing or something. I can't quite remember, but it wasn't it wasn't ghosts. we were We were disappointed, but I had to look further, even though it was my first, my first my not experience, investigation, i kind of was thinking already that way. Well, okay, it we have lights, but why?
00:28:08
Kat Ward
So yeah, that was that was an amazing
00:28:09
Lee Hatfield
and
00:28:12
Lee Hatfield
And straight away, like you say, you've done exactly the same as what we do.
00:28:15
Kat Ward
Yeah. Yeah. Yep.
00:28:17
Lee Hatfield
OK, it's going off. Why is it going off? Is there a rational explanation for why it's going off? So you move it to a different location to and then try to get the same results.
00:28:29
Kat Ward
Yeah, and it we we it just, yeah, I don't remember what happened then after we moved it, but we did come to the conclusion that there was something underneath that particular location that probably was setting it off.
00:28:40
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:28:42
Kat Ward
And my dad used to be our radio tech with CNR, Canadian National Railway, and he's also, yeah he would fix radios. Like that was his hobby for his since he was a boy.
00:28:53
Kat Ward
And one day he says, here kiddo, going to give you this. It's a wire finder. So because we know that if you go into somebody's house, if you're getting like spikes in one location, well, we don't know what's under that floor or what's behind that that wall.
00:29:09
Kat Ward
And the the client doesn't really take well to us wanting to put holes in their in their walls or floors, right?
00:29:17
Lee Hatfield
No, they frown upon it, mostly.
00:29:18
Kat Ward
Yeah, they kind of do. So anybody who's just starting out and investigating, don't do that. Yeah.
00:29:23
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, I'll just take my hammer out of my hip out of my kit.
00:29:27
Kat Ward
yeah you distract them all uh yeah and i found that a lot of times the wire founder actually found stuff so we were able to debunk certain things
00:29:31
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:29:38
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. So I'm now going to call you a fibber.
00:29:42
Kat Ward
why
00:29:43
Lee Hatfield
Because at the beginning of this episode, you said that you was a sensitive. But sensitives do not pick up pictures of individuals with red hair. So not only are you insensitive, you've probably got other abilities that you're not happy to talk about because you probably don't don't you haven't convinced yourself yet. So spill the beans, girl.
00:30:11
Kat Ward
I call myself a sensitive because i can't i just can't call myself a medium or or anything like that because it's not something that I've worked on. It doesn't happen all the time. I just let it happen.
00:30:24
Kat Ward
So I just call myself a sensitive. But yeah, you're probably right.
00:30:30
Lee Hatfield
go say that again i there we go there we go there we go hope i am I am I'm very happy now so i like yes I'm right yes da but it's interesting that I mentioned that because as soon as you said that it's like oh just wait a minute let just hang on a minute just hang on but
00:30:32
Kat Ward
You are right, sir.
00:30:36
Kat Ward
you happy?
00:30:38
Kat Ward
Good. proud as a peacock.
00:30:51
Kat Ward
i probably I probably downgrade my abilities. i
Exploring Psychic Abilities
00:30:56
Kat Ward
i don't know why I do that.
00:30:58
Lee Hatfield
Because you're not confident in them. yeah You haven't done enough practicing or whatever you want to call it to be good at what you do.
00:31:09
Lee Hatfield
But you've just proved to me that you can do it.
00:31:14
Kat Ward
Yeah, I know I can, but again, it's just, and I always second guess myself.
00:31:18
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Well, yeah, I was a paramedic for 13 years.
00:31:19
Kat Ward
Yeah.
00:31:24
Lee Hatfield
And you always second guess yourself. Could I have done better? yet
00:31:28
Kat Ward
Yeah.
00:31:29
Lee Hatfield
Did this person die because of something? So it's natural for people to double guess themselves.
00:31:33
Kat Ward
Gotcha.
00:31:34
Lee Hatfield
So unless you want me to whack all the finger at you, need to look into yes oh yeah you need to look into this further.
00:31:34
Kat Ward
Yeah.
00:31:40
Kat Ward
That you're doing now.
00:31:44
Lee Hatfield
Because like I say, for you to say, oh, yeah, someone's got like strawberry blonde hair, did you call it, or red head whatever you called it,
00:31:53
Kat Ward
Strawberry blonde.
00:31:53
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, yeah, there we go.
00:31:53
Kat Ward
Yeah.
00:31:55
Lee Hatfield
still it Yeah, that's not a sensitive. So I've just called you a liar on my podcast and you accepted it.
00:31:59
Kat Ward
Fair.
00:32:02
Kat Ward
You called me out.
00:32:06
Kat Ward
Yes, I did.
00:32:06
Lee Hatfield
So going back to where CSRS, you just mentioned your first investigation. Do any really stand out that you'll never, ever forget?
00:32:23
Lee Hatfield
for either the good or the bad reasons.
00:32:26
Kat Ward
There's one in particular. We're investigating a local business. It was a tattoo place. I don't think it's there anymore. And we were just setting up the equipment. We weren't even doing the investigation yet. And it was my job to set up the video cameras. So I had i was running the cords and all that because, you know, it's it's not wireless. so And all of a sudden, Katie walks up to me and I felt like something was trying to take me over.
00:32:56
Kat Ward
Katie looks at me, she goes, are you okay? And I shook my head, no. And she says, something tried to go through you. And I shook my head, yes. She says, you need, because I usually, I like to keep crystals on me. I believe in selenite and hematite. Those are the two crystals that I really feel a connection to. Hematite for grounding, selenite just helps repel negative entities and energies. So I like to have those on me. I didn't have them on me yet.
00:33:22
Kat Ward
So Katie says, you need to go get your crystals and you need to go get them now. She sounded like she was way down the hall. Like it was just like, she wasn't right in front of me. I dropped the cables at her feet. I went to my little case.
00:33:34
Kat Ward
I usually keep one crystal of each. I grabbed three three hematite, and I shoved those in my pockets. And I was just like, I'm using all of my Sarah Silverman, to keep whatever the heck that was out and I had to tell it whatever you are, if you want want to communicate, you do not. Silverman, Communicate trying to take my body over or whatever we have equipment for it, this is what it is, but you're not allowed to touch me or anybody else here, but that was kind of it never happened before or since. so they started off investigating in the basement and I'm like I just have to collect myself here I'm just going to watch the monitors while you guys are downstairs and yeah was just crazy I just I was actually angry I was like how dare you so I don't know if my anger or just like oh geez okay we're gonna leave her alone or what it was but I was I started to pray I started calling out to my mom yeah who's
00:34:33
Kat Ward
on the other side. Sadly, she passed away several years ago. And I'm like, you guys need to, and I need, I need protection. Just help me out here. Give me the the strength to be able to keep whatever this was at bay. And then once I calmed down and was able to push everything out, because I always picture white light from within pushing out to get rid of negative energies. And once I knew that I was fine, then I was able to join in on the investigation. But after we were done we all got in the car and katie says where did you go and i'm like i have no idea something tried to take me over and you sounded so distant like you just sounded so far away and uh that she saw it she saw the entity
00:35:15
Lee Hatfield
do you realise what you've just done?
00:35:17
Kat Ward
what did i fib again
00:35:21
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, you you basically said, you basically told me exactly what you think you're not.
00:35:30
Kat Ward
Okay.
00:35:30
Lee Hatfield
You've just done it again.
00:35:31
Kat Ward
Fair. Fair.
00:35:34
Lee Hatfield
But you probably don't realise that you're doing it, but it's sort like, oh, this happened, but you're not putting two and two together.
00:35:40
Kat Ward
Yeah.
00:35:42
Lee Hatfield
Me and you are going to have a good conversation, okay?
00:35:44
Kat Ward
Oh, Lord. Oh.
00:35:46
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, good go and stand in the corner until I'm ready. So
Podcast Growth & Memorable Guests
00:35:52
Lee Hatfield
it's interesting that you say that because i whenever I speak to anybody that's got any psychic abilities, no matter what they are, I always tell them that
00:36:05
Lee Hatfield
I want to see what you see. I want to hear what you hear. I want to feel what you feel. And I was talking to a girl in the fall and she went, you see spirits. And I went, no, I don't. And she went, don't bullshit me.
00:36:21
Lee Hatfield
I went, what? She goes, you do. You just don't acknowledge the fact. And she went, because you spent all that time in the emergency services, you've got your rational head on and you just need to start opening up.
00:36:31
Kat Ward
Oh, yeah.
00:36:34
Lee Hatfield
And then she called me a sensitive and I went, no, I don't think I am. She went, no, you are. Trust me, you are. of Okay, then.
00:36:39
Kat Ward
Yeah. Wow. So we've both been called out.
00:36:41
Lee Hatfield
So there go.
00:36:42
Kat Ward
Yeah.
00:36:42
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
00:36:43
Kat Ward
Yeah.
00:36:44
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. But yeah like I called you out, but I'd got justifiable reason. And then you actually gave me more information that made that concrete. So Lee Won, cat nil.
00:36:58
Lee Hatfield
Oh, wow. Oh, it's getting like that now, is it?
00:37:00
Kat Ward
Oh yeah, gloves are off.
00:37:01
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. So you spent many years with CSRS. How did Paranormal Heart Podcast come about?
00:37:14
Kat Ward
from When I was on that, when I did an interview with my friend John Mallard from Aughty, Newfoundland, and I did another interview after, well, it took me the longest time to accept his invitation because I'd never done anything like that before. I was terrified.
00:37:29
Kat Ward
i was I was like shaking in my skivvies. I was just like, no, I like, no. So then finally after a few weeks, like, okay, are we doing this? I'm like, okay, let's do it. He goes, it's it's just audio. It's like two friends in the living room having a conversation. it's it's It'll be fine. It's prerecorded. I'm like, okay, let's give it a shot.
00:37:47
Kat Ward
And I did another friend's show. shortly after that and family and friends said I should start my own show and like I said I'm like hell no because that's something other people do and then I asked John I'm like well do you think I should do this and he says okay is it a topic that you enjoy I'm like yeah do you like talking to people I'm like yeah is it gonna hurt anybody I'm like god I hope not so he says why wouldn't you do it So i was like, okay. And then another friend of mine who had a podcast, Jim Mallard, he he said, after about five episodes, you'll know if you're going to keep going and or not.
00:38:22
Kat Ward
And well eight years later, and yeah, it took me a good year, like I mentioned earlier, because I wanted to make sure the audio was right. So a friend of mine, Brian Anderson, he he's he's brilliant. He does audio books, things like that.
00:38:37
Kat Ward
And yeah, He helped me with all the equipment that I had to get. what I used to use Audacity in the beginning for recording and everything. And he he would edit everything for me. I just send it and send in the record because I didn't know how to do any of this. But it took me, like I said, a year because I hate listening to a show where the audio is horrible.
00:38:58
Kat Ward
So I wanted to make sure that my audio was okay. You know, not perfect, but I want to make sure that it wasn't going to be horrible. So finally, Brian's like, okay, are we doing this? It's been a year. I'm like, okay, okay. So I got a guest and I've been running with it ever since.
00:39:13
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, it's funny that you say that because yeah there are a couple of episodes that I've had to not publish simply because either somebody is like far too close to the mic and it sounds so and there's nothing you can do about it.
00:39:28
Kat Ward
Yeah.
00:39:29
Lee Hatfield
You've literally got to have to re record. But it's interesting what you say about like building up the courage because I think it was episode five of mine.
00:39:42
Lee Hatfield
i was I'd got the three girls from BC from History Most Haunted as my guests, episode five.
00:39:49
Kat Ward
No way. That's amazing.
00:39:51
Lee Hatfield
and I'm like i like, oh, crap. Yeah, and it was like, oh well I will apologize now. I'm going to be like fanboying. And they went, yeah, but I watch you on TV. But yeah, I deal with people at Comic Cons all the time. I don't fanboy, but it's like, I love these girls. i love I love the dynamic that all three of them have.
00:40:12
Lee Hatfield
And it's like, i'm I'm talking to them. And it's like it was it was bizarre. It really was bizarre. And i've
00:40:18
Kat Ward
ones like that I was like that when I had, do you know who Ron Moorhead is?
00:40:23
Lee Hatfield
I do not.
00:40:23
Kat Ward
Have you ever heard of the Sierra sounds, the Bigfoot Sierra sounds? because he's he's a Bigfoot guy.
00:40:29
Lee Hatfield
don't think so.
00:40:30
Kat Ward
Back in the 70s, I think it was, he got like the the whoops, like in the, what they call the samurai chatter.
00:40:34
Lee Hatfield
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
00:40:35
Kat Ward
Yeah, that's Ron Moorhead.
00:40:35
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:40:36
Kat Ward
I had him on my show because Michelle knew him and I'm like, I've been wanting to ask him for a long time to be on, but I was so scared, you know? So she's like, here's his email address. Tell him I sent you.
00:40:47
Kat Ward
I'm like, okay, sweetest man. And I and i was kind of fangirly. I'm just like, oh my God, Ron freaking Moorhead is on my show. And I had him on twice. It's just like, oh my God.
00:40:56
Lee Hatfield
That's great. But and I know i i emailed Kieran O'Keefe and he's a yeah UK power psychologist for people that don't know im Most Haunted and he's been on Uncanny and I emailed him in the january in January I think it was before I'd even started the podcast.
Time Slips & Paranormal Mysteries
00:41:16
Lee Hatfield
So thought I'm going to start at the top. yeah Start at the top and see what happens. And He didn't respond, so okay, yeah he's a busy guy, whatever.
00:41:29
Lee Hatfield
And then it wasn't until mid-June, July, the wife the wife and I had just been out to go and grab McDonald's. We were just coming in. Ping!
00:41:42
Lee Hatfield
I just got an email from Kieran O'Keefe. apologize at like a thousand, no, a million apologies for just getting to your email. So you just never know how long it's going to take for somebody to get in touch with you.
00:41:55
Lee Hatfield
Because this was six months and you did go well, you're lucky because it normally takes people a year.
00:41:55
Kat Ward
Yeah.
00:42:00
Kat Ward
Wow.
00:42:02
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. So it is' it's funny how but you and I talk and like we've known each other forever. But there's some people that really get the butterflies going. like I interviewed Barry Guy.
00:42:15
Lee Hatfield
from Help My House Is Haunted from the UK.
00:42:19
Kat Ward
Oh, OK. Yep. Yep.
00:42:20
Lee Hatfield
And it's like, I can't, it's Barry Guy, but it I'm sorry. But yeah, these people, they're human at the end of the day. And we was having a great old gig on and you just have a great conversation with them.
00:42:33
Lee Hatfield
So I've asked you about your first investigation and any out your outstanding investigation that you've done. What about your podcast?
00:42:45
Lee Hatfield
Have you had many oh my god or wow moments that you can immediately spring to mind?
00:42:54
Kat Ward
How so?
00:42:56
Lee Hatfield
As in, like, but I was talking to one guy, for example, that his girlfriend at the time wore a pendant that they found. And as soon as she put it on, she went into the crab position and then walked up a wall backwards.
00:43:13
Kat Ward
Oh, damn.
00:43:14
Lee Hatfield
Those kind of moments.
00:43:16
Kat Ward
Okay.
00:43:18
Lee Hatfield
So, like, jaw-dropping moments. Have you have you ever had any podcasts?
00:43:24
Kat Ward
I have. I can't recall in it, but I know I've had some. But the the one other than i have to tell you this first. So Ron Moorhead was supposed to be on my show again. We got the time zones mixed up and we're going live and he's not showing up. It's just like that's not like him. So I reached out to Michelle, said, Michelle,
00:43:45
Kat Ward
can you sit in? Like, do you have the time? Cause Ron, we're supposed to go live in 10 minutes. goes, yep. Give me. So we, we spoke about Ron and then his research and all that. So then he emails me later, says, okay, I'm ready. And I'm like, Ron, you missed it. He goes, what? I'm like, it was 6 PM Eastern. he goes, oh, I am so sorry. And he's like, get, please give me another chance. I'll do better next time. And I'm just like, you're Ron freaking Moorhead. You don't have to apologize. And I'm just like, it's like, absolutely. You can be on, but yeah, that I was just like,
00:44:16
Kat Ward
Yeah, fangirling with this guy. it like And he's such a sweet man.
00:44:18
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:44:19
Kat Ward
But no, there was a there's there's one episode in particular.
00:44:20
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, because
00:44:24
Kat Ward
He used to have a podcast called the Safety Doc Podcast. he Dr. David Peroden, he's not a medical doctor. His field is teaching businesses and and people situational awareness. tries to help them be more secure in schools and and things like that. Well, he told me that when he finished university and he had to go bring his thesis back to the building, I can't remember where it is in the States, but it's very, very old university. And, he said he walks in and they're, they're doing, renovations and, but the sounds sound like old timey,
00:45:03
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:45:05
Kat Ward
what do you call that? dezui Oh, I'm trying to, in French, tools, sorry. The French kind of overrode there for a second. It sounded like old tools, not common tools. And normally you have like yellow caution tape. There was none of that. And it was kind of dusty, kind of like a hazy thing. And all of a sudden this gentleman shows up.
00:45:23
Kat Ward
He had looked
Science & Skepticism in Paranormal Experiences
00:45:23
Kat Ward
like, he compared to him as, dressed up as an old train conductor and the way he carried himself and he was very jovial and the way he spoke was not like today. And he says, oh, I'm here to help you. he says oh i have to go to this particular location. This is OK. Get in the elevator. Speaking a little bit.
00:45:42
Kat Ward
Elevator opens and David says, thank you very much. And he goes, I guess my job here is done or I can't remember the exact words. So he goes left and he turns around to thank the guy and he's gone.
00:45:53
Kat Ward
And now David knows because of situational awareness, he knows where everything is, where all the exits are and everything. He's he's just switched on like that. So he goes, when when he first arrived, it was daylight, parking lot full of cars. He goes to bring his his paper.
00:46:10
Kat Ward
Thank you very much. He leaves. He can't find the exit. He can't find the elevator. He was so disoriented. And by the time he finally found his way out, it was nighttime and there was his car and I believe there was one other car.
00:46:25
Kat Ward
And he's like, Kat, what was that? And I'm like, I think there was some kind of a dimensional being trying to help you not stay in that location for the rest for the rest of eternity.
00:46:36
Kat Ward
He was trying to guide you so you wouldn't get stuck in time or whatever. It was just amazing. And it just, the the more he was explaining it, the more I was just like, holy crap, this is amazing.
00:46:48
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. And I think that would get called a time slip.
00:46:52
Kat Ward
Yes, thank you. Yeah, I couldn't remember. Getting old.
00:46:54
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, cause i yeah.
00:46:55
Kat Ward
Yeah.
00:46:57
Lee Hatfield
I'm not saying a word.
00:46:58
Kat Ward
yeah
00:46:59
Lee Hatfield
And by um'm I'm so looking looking for somebody who can talk about those because time steps fascinate me because I'm a big historian as well.
00:47:06
Kat Ward
Me too. Oh, OK.
00:47:09
Lee Hatfield
so to So to actually go back in time and to see something. And this place that I mentioned in in your podcast earlier in the US, it's got a big wooden spiral staircase.
00:47:24
Lee Hatfield
And at the bottom of it is a black door. And the black door has been sealed because if you go a little bit further, you turn left and it's part of the wall of the dining room.
00:47:32
Kat Ward
OK.
00:47:33
Lee Hatfield
So the black the black door was sealed. And the owner was telling us that this was only about a year ago. a couple came downstairs to look for the owner, came down to the bottom of the stairs. The door was open and there was a black tie party going on.
00:47:50
Lee Hatfield
So they kind of went, oh, the owner's probably at the party. We'll come back later. So they went back upstairs to the room, came down a couple of hours later and the door was closed. They walked around the corner, bumped into the owner. How was the party?
00:48:05
Lee Hatfield
what what party? Well, the party through the black door. that There wasn't a party. yeah That door's been sealed for like 50 years and they basically witnessed a time slip.
00:48:13
Kat Ward
Wow.
00:48:16
Kat Ward
That's amazing.
00:48:18
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and it's like it absolutely fascinates me and of like I'd love to experience something like that for myself.
00:48:24
Kat Ward
Yeah.
00:48:26
Lee Hatfield
But you mentioned about things that were kind of like you like wow moments. I was talking to a guy about UFOs and things and he was trying to remember a date went, yeah, yeah, I can't quite remember. It must have been the time that I was abducted. And I went like, what?
00:48:42
Kat Ward
yeah
00:48:43
Lee Hatfield
I was like, yeah, you can't you can't just drop.
00:48:43
Kat Ward
Say again?
00:48:47
Lee Hatfield
Like, oh, that was the time I'd been into a normal conversation.
00:48:50
Kat Ward
You need to prepare me for that. Yeah.
00:48:51
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, exactly. So I've literally got him coming back in like this year to to talk.
00:48:56
Kat Ward
Nice.
00:48:57
Lee Hatfield
Because afterwards I said to him, i don't want to be personal, but are you comfortable talking about it? And went, Yeah, I'll talk to you about it. so Would you mind coming back? Absolutely no problem.
00:49:07
Kat Ward
Nice.
00:49:09
Lee Hatfield
But yeah, it's it's those kind of wow moments. And I always tell people that if you can stop me mid-sentence by something that you're saying, and I basically just go, it's sort of like, then you're the kind of guest that I want.
00:49:24
Lee Hatfield
because
00:49:24
Kat Ward
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:49:25
Lee Hatfield
So yeah, some of the interviews, yeah, you can struggle talking to somebody, and some of them flow so easily. And then somebody just comes out with a bombshell, you just go, what?
00:49:37
Lee Hatfield
And it just blows your mind. It's absolutely amazing. So can you can you think of any more like mind blowing moments, either in investigations or in your podcast?
00:49:49
Kat Ward
Well, I actually had, I think it was a time slip moment myself. So I'm driving in the little town that I'm from. I'm driving up the road and it leads me to the highway. And I want to turn left at the intersection because Ontario has traffic lights on the highways, because why not?
00:50:07
Kat Ward
New Brunswick doesn't have that.
00:50:08
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Modern technology.
00:50:10
Kat Ward
But anyway, so I'm approaching the intersection and for a few seconds, it it seemed like forever, but it was just for a few seconds, all of a sudden the highway wasn't there.
00:50:21
Kat Ward
Trees were overgrown, like there were trees. There was only the road that I'm on and there's no cars. It's kind of like horse and buggy. And I'm sitting there in the car going, just thinking to myself, what?
00:50:33
Kat Ward
And then as soon as I thought that, I'm back to where I'm supposed to be. I'm just like, what the hell just happened? Like, it was.
00:50:41
Lee Hatfield
And it's it's interesting you mentioned that because, yeah for people that don't know, i was a guest on Kat's podcast before this one, so we're paying the favor. But we were talking about, I've lost my train of thought now.
00:50:57
Kat Ward
Train derailed.
00:50:57
Lee Hatfield
but Yeah, you do, yeah. Like, we're talking about the science side of it. And for these scientists that say that yeah ghosts are not real or yeah this is not real and that's not real, how are you going to explain the the example that I just said and the example that you just said?
00:51:19
Kat Ward
Yep. Yep.
00:51:20
Lee Hatfield
Because if you are you daydreaming? But if you are, it's a very precise and detailed daydream.
00:51:29
Lee Hatfield
In my example, there was part of a wall that was open. And why would these people initially see a black party? a blackty party yeah You said that it was similar to horse and buggy, but why would it be that that descript?
00:51:51
Lee Hatfield
There's got to be something that's making this happen.
00:51:52
Kat Ward
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:51:55
Lee Hatfield
But trying to put your finger on it and saying, well, it's this, which you can't do because every experience is different for every single person. So, yeah, i could I could have been in that same position with you and I could have seen something in the where you saw it before it was tarmac and you concrete roads.
00:52:17
Lee Hatfield
So what makes it different for every person in different locations? So I'd like you to answer that for me right now. Please go.
00:52:27
Kat Ward
I have no idea. I just know it's a cool thing and I'm glad I didn't get stuck in that time because I would have had to, I would have had to write a letter, seal it, address it to my husband at this particular date and address and only, you know, saying, yeah, I'm, I didn't leave you.
00:52:30
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. 100%. sort ma said
00:52:43
Kat Ward
I'm just stuck in time. Yeah.
00:52:47
Lee Hatfield
And I say it's that kind of stuff that you can't explain that makes what we do and who we talk to
Current Projects & Future Endeavors
00:52:57
Kat Ward
Yeah.
00:52:58
Lee Hatfield
that so much more fascinating.
00:53:01
Lee Hatfield
Because unless you've got a really yet vivid imagination, you still would not be able to come up with some of the scenarios that happen that people say that they've been in time slips.
00:53:14
Lee Hatfield
So what is it? what What is actually happening at that point? If it is a scientific problem or scientific issue, then what is it that's happening? And until we can put our finger on that, which I don't think we ever will, like people can just enjoy seeing clips of times gone by.
00:53:33
Kat Ward
Yeah, like are we physically there or is it subconscious? Like our conscious is there, consciousness there. Like, I don't know.
00:53:40
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. And yeah I know that I've been driving to places and you kind of have that moment where you arrive at where you're going, but you can't remember how you got there.
00:53:50
Kat Ward
Yeah.
00:53:51
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, but you're obviously concentrating enough for you not to fall off the road. And you've, know, and you've braked when cars have braked in front of you or you've stopped at traffic lights, but you cannot remember how you got from point A to point B.
00:54:07
Kat Ward
Yeah. It's like, how did I not have an accident getting here? Because I don't remember getting here.
00:54:12
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, exactly.
00:54:12
Kat Ward
Yeah.
00:54:12
Lee Hatfield
And i I can remember doing that when I was in the military, like driving home one day and going like, how did I get here?
00:54:18
Kat Ward
Yeah. I didn't know you military.
00:54:20
Lee Hatfield
So, yeah, was was that was that a paranormal experience or was it just my mind went went away and I was daydreaming, but my subconscious was conscious enough to still drive home?
00:54:21
Kat Ward
Nice.
00:54:32
Lee Hatfield
Because, you you've got turnings and you've got junctions and stuff.
00:54:35
Kat Ward
Muscle memory and all that. Yeah, exactly.
00:54:37
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
00:54:38
Kat Ward
yeah
00:54:38
Lee Hatfield
So I'd like an answer but within the next five minutes, please, of what you think that is.
00:54:43
Kat Ward
No pressure.
00:54:44
Lee Hatfield
OK, yeah. So we are coming towards the end, unfortunately. But I've heard a little rumour, because you told me, that you're currently working on a book series.
00:54:59
Kat Ward
Oh, I'm not writing it. I'm narrating it.
00:55:02
Lee Hatfield
Okay, narrating it. so like two Just because it's written down in English and I can't speak proper, leave me alone.
00:55:03
Kat Ward
Yes.
00:55:08
Lee Hatfield
Narrating a book series.
00:55:10
Kat Ward
Yes. i
00:55:11
Lee Hatfield
Spill the beans. What's that about?
00:55:14
Kat Ward
Well, a friend of mine, J.B. Coates, she's a paranormal investigator in the States, and we've known each other online for a few years. And one day I asked Brian Anderson, because he narrates books, said, I want to do this. How do I do this? So he told me this particular website to go to, create a profile, you know, and then you can do auditions, send it in and you have a certain amount of time for other people to also...
00:55:40
Kat Ward
send in their auditions and you can, you can actually listen to everybody else's that, whatever they sent in. So I posted on Facebook. I did a thing today, you know, I want to get into narration. So JB messages me and says, Kat, I have a book series. I'm just like, excuse me. I didn't even know she was an author.
00:55:58
Kat Ward
We never discussed that. We just, just yeah. And it's a paranormal author. So she says, you are, what's that?
00:56:03
Lee Hatfield
Great Frenchies, obviously. great You're great friends, obviously.
00:56:06
Kat Ward
Yeah. Oh, yeah, exactly.
00:56:08
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:56:09
Kat Ward
So she says, you are the voice I've been looking for to narrate my book. I'm just like, okay. So yeah, I did her first book. It's the Obsidian Guardian novel written by J.B. Coates, C-O-A-T-E-S. And sadly, I've taken too long to do book two. just I moved my studio down to the basement. There's just...
00:56:31
Kat Ward
life got in the way, but i'm still I'm still working on it. There are four books in the series right now. She plans on having six, I believe. But yeah, it's these...
00:56:41
Kat Ward
gargoyles that will chain, when they're in gargoyle form, they will be like obsidian, like dark obsidian, but there there's <unk>s little little flecks of of light. And during the daytime, or sorry, it's during the nighttime, then they're they're human, but they are watching gifted people, so like family members. There's these, if one family member, if one family gets wiped out, then because that particular family would be, maybe
00:57:11
Kat Ward
like tidal waves and and that sort of thing. if If they get completely wiped out, then you're going to have global tidal waves, you know, lots of destruction. And each family has particular abilities. And the guardians have to protect these family members.
00:57:28
Kat Ward
It's, I really, when when I first read her book, said, did you like it? I'm like, no. She goes, oh, I said, I loved it. a just not yeah that's what not telling me you were an author before but uh yeah i'm still working a book too but it it is a lot of fun first book blood sweat and tears i there's a lot of times i wanted to quit because i didn't know what i was doing i was talking to brian couple times daily sometimes going i don't understand he would send me video tutorials and finally i kind of know what i'm doing so yeah it it is fun but the first book was so stressful oh my god
00:57:37
Lee Hatfield
sneaky. That was Yeah.
00:57:41
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:58:05
Lee Hatfield
But you said that the similar sort of thing about your podcast that you, yeah you to figure out what you were doing.
00:58:07
Kat Ward
Yes.
00:58:10
Kat Ward
Yeah.
00:58:10
Lee Hatfield
So apart from all the stuff that we've mentioned, what's next on the agenda for Cat Ward?
00:58:11
Kat Ward
I
00:58:18
Lee Hatfield
I know there's something that we can't talk about that we knew you've been talking about
00:58:18
Kat Ward
want to finish. I have exactly. I have to finish book two. That's still in the works, but yeah, there's a project that you and I and a friend of mine here are working on to see if we can make it, uh,
00:58:34
Kat Ward
come to fruition. We won't mention what it is yet because it's still in the early stages of discussion. so But trust me, it's going to be phenomenal.
00:58:43
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, so we're building a TARDIS is basically what you're telling people.
00:58:47
Kat Ward
Yeah, that would be cool.
00:58:49
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:58:51
Kat Ward
Are you the companion or am I?
00:58:51
Lee Hatfield
OK, Kat.
00:58:54
Lee Hatfield
Hey, I'm the English one. Remember that.
00:58:56
Kat Ward
Oh, that's true. Okay, fine. I'll give you that.
00:59:00
Lee Hatfield
Hey, plus I've got all my Doctor Who stuff here. so
00:59:04
Kat Ward
Yes, I know I'm envious.
00:59:05
Lee Hatfield
yeah Kat, it's been an absolute pleasure.
00:59:10
Kat Ward
Pleasure mine.
00:59:11
Lee Hatfield
I've thoroughly enjoyed interrogating, I mean, asking you questions.
00:59:11
Kat Ward
Thank you.
00:59:15
Kat Ward
You did say you were going to interrogate me.
00:59:15
Lee Hatfield
obviously we are going to yeah Obviously, we are going to stay in touch because we've got that secret project that we can't talk about.
00:59:21
Kat Ward
Exactly.
00:59:24
Lee Hatfield
But no doubt we'll speak to each other again very soon.
00:59:28
Kat Ward
Yes.
00:59:28
Lee Hatfield
But for now, thank you for your time, for your for your podcast and for my podcast. And you have a great rest of the evening.
00:59:36
Kat Ward
You as well. appreciate you.
00:59:37
Lee Hatfield
Thanks very much.
00:59:37
Kat Ward
Thank you so much.
00:59:39
Lee Hatfield
Take care. Bye-bye.
00:59:40
Kat Ward
Bye.