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Remember Me
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Can you get back the friends you once had?
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The Irony of Desirable Negatives
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Do you want a piece of shit in your life? Do you want a piece of shit in your life?
Fears of Unauthorized Content Sharing
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come to the right place you've come to the right place because i am a piece of and you know it i am a piece of so one of my fears came true last night and luckily i did something about it before it happened was sitting talking to a coach that wants to have my son play basketball for them and they were doing research on the parents And about a month ago, I came across this site that pulls all podcast content, whether you ask them to or not into it.
00:00:54
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It's searchable Google. And so I didn't like that because I know some of the shit we're doing is out there. So I deleted it, bro. Contacted the site and had that deleted. First off, I thought that was kind of bullshit that they're grabbing all content and then representing it on their site so that they can just get hits.
College Recruitment and Privacy Concerns
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I didn't like that as a business model without anybody's permission. But the dude was researching and and he's like, oh, so i I see you're in a band and I see you work to so-and-so, but no mention of POS.
00:01:27
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Because it's deleted, boy. What, what, um can I ask what level of, what was this as a ah college? This a college, yeah, he's been offered and now they're really. Dude, that is insane.
00:01:42
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did Yeah. They're just looking for fits, cultural fits. and You think if you were like, ah Gang bang if you're in KJ 13 or one one of those like Hondorian gangs in LA they'd be like you can't come play basketball here or like what what a what's the red flag like because it would suck if you were like an abuser something your kid was trying to get shit together and they're like we can't we don't know what I mean Well, I think it's less about making sure the parents are like good fits and more about trying to connect with the parents to show that you're willing to put in the effort to understand the family. So I think it's an innocuous type of action on their part. But I think it's also would be weird if they clicked on one specific episode or one and it just starts out with
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cock, pussy, cock, pussy. And I'm like, what the hell? and So they have to like digest that. I wouldn't want that at this point. once But once he's recruited and established, then it's nonstop.
00:02:43
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Racist, sexist, misogynistic. Just nonstop. Yeah. Dude.
Challenges in College Coaching
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i don't want I hate when when you when people talk about the NFL as the coaches are working 20-hour weeks and they sleep in the office and they're mad scientists and all the bullshit about all that.
00:03:00
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But I got to say that being a college coach now, especially at a smaller school, must be a lot of work. and And all that work, you probably end up losing a lot of the kids that that you did all the work. But it's pretty detailed.
00:03:14
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It is a lot of work, and and I know some play the numbers game where they're just like, we're going to recruit a bunch of kids, and we know we won't get it, you know, we won't get but like 20% of them. But this guy's different. and he He really just picks top guys and invests in them and and tries to sell them on the culture. after the So the kid your kid goes there. If he pops, he might he might bail.
00:03:36
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I mean, you get your family of integrity. but like So the coach does all the work. He might not get the kid, but then they get him, and then now it's like with the transfer portal. It's like, later, dude. It's like they're just using the ah school to showcase to go go somewhere else. Yeah.
00:03:48
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Yeah. and theyre That's all factored into their... So they're not getting super attached to kids. It's part of the game. But there that's pretty interesting, though, that he's looking up parent stuff, which reminds me of...
Nostalgia and High School Reunions
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and A lot of what I've been doing over the last six months is trying to get closer to my high school personality, which has its risks, like I just articulated.
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And it caused me to reflect on that that person I was and and what what's so appealing about that guy. But I think it's just less about how I acted and to some extent, but more just about what that time allows you to be. Just allows you to be kooky and you know fun and weird.
00:04:30
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You're not adulting. But as you know, and you've said many times, I did some crazy shit. I know you were a total fucking smart ass. And it'd be interesting to find out if people hadn't seen us since high school, but what they thought or what their impression would be now.
00:04:47
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What they would expect us, rather, to be like today. And how far off would either of us be? um you have you ah Have you gone to any reunions or anything like that?
00:05:00
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No, timing didn't work out the last couple times. but gave the first I went to the first one. At this point, i don't know, dude, maybe.
00:05:10
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Like if you were going and some other guys that I liked, maybe I'd go. okay I don't like to say that I like, i mean I think I like, like, I would like everyone. Is there anyone that I would go to the reunion and be like, God, see this mother, like 30 years later, I'm ah harboring. I mean, as long as the the class of 93 wasn't there, those fucking losers.
00:05:32
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But, but like, they were doing that. I think they were joining them together for a while. Yeah. And even that class, there's people that are probably turned out to be, i would expect some apologies, frankly.
00:05:44
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from um some people because we didn't even make the playoffs that year with all those fucking dorks. But no, I'm kidding. I got injured in that Those are some real losers in that class, but also I had some good friends in that class. Cooper.
00:05:59
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I know we're not allowed to mention names, but just want to shout out to Cooper, dude. What's up, buddy? Hope you're well. i would I would like to see people actually. I've kind of i've been like really not good at keeping in touch with people from the past.
00:06:12
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But I do cringe. you You talked about your high school personality. I wonder what you were overcoming with your antics and me with my smart ass stuff like what insecurity we're overcoming. A psychologist could probably be like, well, you were doing this or that, but whatever.
00:06:28
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Trying to get attention maybe. But um I wonder if people are like, that guy was a dick. You know, like, I don't think so. I've talked to people like a little bit that always, especially compared to like you and some other those more established jocks that were, that were actual dicks.
00:06:45
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I wasn't like a cocky asshole, but I do wonder if sometimes I cross the line making fun of people. And I hope not. But also I feel like even people that we thought were assholes back then are probably would probably be like completely different people.
00:07:01
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They might be, yeah. I mean, you're you're pretty similar, but you're your arc, though, was quite different. Like, you you weren't in the mix at all until senior year. Like, you just were you were young. Senior year.
00:07:12
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You were a skinny little dorkwad, and, like, it wasn't like Mad Trim was, like, coming after you, and that whole popular crew was, like, in your mix right away, which I think is a benefit to kids, to be honest. but Yeah.
00:07:25
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It was a weird high school, though. We didn't have, like, established norms of, of like – I mean, I definitely was not part of it. Yeah. You got into it at the end there. And then that's when you brought out your your weapons of mask. Come on.
00:07:39
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It's going to come up with something. I'm just not smart enough to do it that quick. But you were bringing out your ah your wit and your demeaning jokes. And I loved it. When do you think we started hanging out? I think it was like junior year we probably started hanging out.
00:07:54
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Actually, maybe. But yeah, probably like junior year. junior End of junior year, we started. I mean, I could find, i noticed you as a person. Cause we, yeah, I think I almost feel like I had to, I saved you in a way from yourself. Well, that's not what I, what I, I mean, there's, I would like to, we want to talk about that a little bit, but I also like the, I got two things I'd like to talk about. One is what you just said, because i think You know, if you when people go, i don't want to see those assholes. There's probably I'm just there's probably people that are like, we're the assholes, you know, like you always assume like you're in the higher ground. It's like, oh, do I want to grant their presence with with, you know, with with my grant, my presence for these people. But they might be like, I don't see those those dicks or listen to them.
00:08:40
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We're the people that people don't want to see. Oh, for sure. Me especially. I mean, because I did a lot more extreme stuff. i Yeah, um I'm like, I was harmless, but I do and sometimes think, I remember one time, dude, we went I went to visit my brother at ah Colorado. was our senior year, and we were already partying. We were all like, we had our crew, and were friends. And I went up there with with a couple of our other friends, football players.
00:09:03
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And I didn't even think anything of it, but one of them, who was a bit of an arrogant dude, but a hard worker. And I don't know. but But my brother, my older brother was like, dude, you're kind of ruthless on that guy.
00:09:17
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And I was like, what do you mean? He's fucking ruthless on me. He's like, he's arrogant. It's like, and i and I didn't even think, I didn't even notice. I was like, really? i didn't I didn't even notice that I was being like, I was the aggressor, I guess, like in sort of a smart ass way.
00:09:32
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But it was also somebody probably didn't have the... that like intellectually maybe not there so so they but they're the way they they that person would have dominated me maybe through looks and strength and athletic ability or something like that you were giving it back do you think you you can't say it on air but you think you know what i'm talking about oh i absolutely know what you're talking about yeah extra dips just to prove that uh-huh yeah yeah so yeah i do remember you ripping into them and i loved
Reflections on Youthful Arrogance
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it i think i mean you remember that
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um i' Was I there? I don't know I was there, but I do remember you it. weren't there that trip, but you just remember in general I i was... well Yeah, I remember throughout the season. i mean, because the dude was a caricature of...
00:10:14
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a teenager at times in terms of like what he dressed, how he dressed, how he like got ready for games, just how like, he was like a precursor to today's era. Like everything was super tight and manicured and tan and worked out hard. And it's just very much of what the the dudes are like today.
00:10:33
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Yeah. Yeah. So he's easy target in that sense. and And he was, yeah, I don't think he always got the cracks. don't think he knew was being cracked on, but he certainly took it in stride.
00:10:44
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But I do think he, he was probably right. Like, like the way, the way you can get places in life is like, he was just like, this is the way to do it. I have a goal and then I do it.
00:10:55
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Then I work out and I do it. And like, he's, he had that figured out. and And I love that dude, you know? And he, I think he probably loved us. And, and like, I just, i don't know. It was just weird.
00:11:06
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But I mean, that's somebody that probably actually would, would like see, talk to you. Uh, But anyways, but it's not like urgent, you know, I'm not, it's not, it's not urgent. But he's still hurt by you deep down.
00:11:19
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And then there was another, was another thing that just crossed my mind where I was making fun of some girl's car and I thought it was really funny. and And it was like, somebody had a really big ass car and I was talking about water skiing behind it and shit. Cause it was a boat.
00:11:35
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And this was somebody, like you said, that was probably in that upper echelon of people, popularity and looks and everything. that I have a chance at hell with and maybe I was just like, fuck you, this is what I got.
00:11:46
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You got the ability to tear her down. yeah and But that person probably was just like a nice person. It's probably like, fucking asshole, man. my My parents gave me this car. Why don't you fucking calm down? but but Yeah, that person know is ah is a very nice person.
00:12:01
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Very nice. I actually had some history with that person. But anyway. I ain't trying to go there, boy. But yeah. That person, ah yeah, I rode the bus with that person before she got that car that was the same size as a school bus. i Look, I can't stop, dude.
00:12:16
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I can't stop doing it. so yeah But you're not really feeling guilty about all this, though. ah No, but i do I do now think a little bit of like... Because I'm in touch with it a little bit now because I'm going out. like When i was in and I'm in St. Louis and I'm going out like trying to sell shit or meet people or make connections, I'm like...
00:12:38
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I'm pretty free flowing. I'm the same person in a way. um I'm still like talking shit. I feel like um I'm questioning like whether even if I'm like posting something for our business, I put stupid shit in there.
00:12:50
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You know, it's that balance is be yourself or be professional or or I think it's, you gotta to be yourself. Right. But also you can't just be like insulting people for no reason. We're not fucking worried about bench press anymore and shit like that. Yeah.
00:13:04
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so Yeah, yeah. And and as you yielded yeah yeah but you move in a professional setting, busting each other's balls is not like what makes you successful. But you have a little bit, but it also like people also see it as some sort of intelligence. Like people see quick wit is like, I don't want to fuck with that guy.
00:13:22
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Just like because you wouldn't want to fuck with the rock or something. Like if you're like, I'm not going to go call that guy pussy. That's a way to stick took your chest out. Is that what you're saying? To fuck? Or assert yourself in a situation. like If somebody knows that you've got a pretty quick-witted response for everything, they're gonna some some people end up just becoming more, take on more of the asshole where they're like, I'll fucking show this guy the way that people try to hackle comedians for no reason.
00:13:47
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but yeah But I think it's a way, it's for me, it's a way to to like control the situation and show intelligence. first so i don't i don't I'm not thinking about that when i'm doing it, but I think that's probably why a little bit.
00:13:58
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and enough Yeah. Because I can't just go arm wrestle them. Yeah, it's a form of masculinity, your own version of it. So i want to, yeah, I want to talk
Evolving Friendships Over Time
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little, because you've mentioned a few episodes where you've been, you have been analyzing a little bit, not necessarily who you were, but like what what parts of that person did do you want to get back to?
00:14:17
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And that's why we're here in a way, right? But I also was wondering, like, I have, I was also thinking about people that, i because I've been so bad at keeping in touch with people, but like people in my life that I'm like, damn, I miss that person.
00:14:30
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Do you have anyone like that or you just go, fuck, why did do I stop keeping touch with like college buddy or me? I think I'll wonder what my problem is with a bunch of guys like that. Like, why why aren't you making any effort?
00:14:44
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And then I'll also like look at it from like, I'm just not sure that it would be as enjoyable as I think to reconnect. So, yes, it'd be nice to see folks, but to, like, have them be come into my life on a more consistent basis, I'm a little skeptical of that. little skeptical because it's a time and a place type of thing. Like, a lot of the rugby guys I played with. You were really close with all those dudes. At the time, yeah.
00:15:08
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And don't know, whatever the situation was. Those Philly boys? Yeah, I saw one of those dudes the other day. They still live? They live in Colorado? Not to get too sidetracked here.
00:15:19
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Yeah, they do. They do. But like, that's just part of life though, man. You can't really go back. If there's somebody that was a close friend though, that maybe there was an actual reason that you lost touch.
00:15:30
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Like there was a fight there. I could see that reconciliation process happening, but I'm not sure you can go back. So I don't even know why I'm thinking I should go back and like regenerate this caricature of a personality.
00:15:41
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It's just not going to work. Well, a little bit for me is like, Could you take like the five best in your life, try to rekindle those relationships and then die hell with everybody else?
00:15:52
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is that is that That would be, you think of like, well, these are the, I mean, I think of that this guy, I'll say his name, maybe maybe maybe he's a listener, Sam Walker from Albuquerque, New Mexico. I played baseball with him.
00:16:04
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You, you and i don't know if you remember, but he'd come up and party with us. But I think almost every day, Almost every day. i think it's some of the interaction that we had and I'm like laughing still.
00:16:14
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This is like I met this guy in 94 and was remained pretty good friends with him up until the early 2000s. Then we then we should. I think we went to the we drove to the Fiesta Bowl together.
00:16:26
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Like 2001 Buffs versus Oregon, Joey Harrington, Oregon Ducks. Yeah, but don't you don't you think that's time and a place thing where that energy is so unique?
00:16:38
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You know, the the idea that you're going to be sitting in a car together, cracking on things and doing, you you probably would have a decent connection coming back. But like how long would it last is my thing. I have a feeling it would be good.
00:16:50
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I mean, i was able to I was able to reconnect with you pretty easily, and I feel like my relationship with Sam was better.
00:17:00
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I love that. And that's one of that that's the kind of crack you did in high school. Really cut deep. And you can see like an insecure high school kid would just be like, fuck. The sad thing is, like it's so so it's such a stupid thing joke to say, but it in my head and it was like, here it comes. But you know, in high school, I probably would like pushed you and like pushed you to the ground or something, my temper.
00:17:23
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And i would have that's how i would have gotten back.
00:17:27
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yeah you wouldve maybe You never really fucked with me that way. You were you would... You would write, you would have, I don't know what you would done You would you would have done something. You would have, you would have acted out. Like you, you would like act out a scene almost.
00:17:39
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Yeah. Maybe. Something like that. Right. Yeah. Well, good joke. Hurt. It hurt though. It hurt. But yeah, why don't you reconnect with that guy? I don't know how, like, Oh, you don't know how.
00:17:50
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Okay. No, like I, he's not out there. He's not anywhere. Oh, he's not. He's just, he's dead. I mean, I even a few years ago, i mean, it's been like 10 years ago, but I, logged into the old Facebook account and put something out there. Hey, you want to know where Sam Walker is to some of these guys I played baseball with in college?
00:18:07
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and and they were And people are like, you know where Sam is? I don't know where Sam is. I could never get a hold of him. But I will say, you mentioned like, it it it might be different, but I will say like, that time that time your life, like in your early 20s, you're actually like rolling through a lot of different phases of your life quickly.
00:18:22
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Yes. Because I had changed colleges a few times, then I moved up to the mountains. It was kind of like, fuck everything. Then I got back into my life then i met my wife then i got into comedy which are all like all-encompassing moves you know you know what's it so sorry to interrupt but it's interesting it's like in that time like the thing you're doing is
Rekindling Past Connections
00:18:40
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so much more important than the people than the friends and yet the friendships in that era are usually the strongest and but your focus is not on that at all whereas like it's the opposite now it's like you're just like oh
00:18:53
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I want a bunch more friends and I don't want to be thinking about this dumb fucking thing that I'm doing this much. Maybe that's it. I'm just like, boy, that'd be refreshing to, to be in and fucking Sam's Tacoma, fake rapping and making fun of people together.
00:19:09
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yeah or to have a big network like he we used to have, like just a much larger network of people that it was easy to hang with because, know, there's so much more baggage in adulthood. It could be easy. We were just talking about this the other night, my wife and I, just like how much harder it is to find a couple that, you know fully you can connect with and it's easy.
00:19:30
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It's all fine. I mean, we're all adults and can hang with almost anyone, but like to really just be like yourself. The couples too, though? You got to get two for two? Both sides work? That's some odds. That's some Las Vegas type shit right there.
00:19:43
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Yeah. Double zeros on the roulette table. ah You guys are, I mean, you guys have, since you guys met each other so young, you ah you guys ever, you ever like, like we're talking about people, you ever like, wonder what happened to that guy. He's a nice guy or that girl or like any of that stuff.
00:19:59
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I, I, your wife doesn't really long for, to reconnect for, with people she met in high school and shit like that. Or she does, she, she better at that than you? No, she does. She has her best friend from high school.
00:20:11
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And then she, you know, some of the other people in her group, she's, she knows where they're at. She knows what their kids look like, all that. What about college? You think you, besides me, you think your college relation, you, you, do you keep in touch with anyone from college? You mentioned rugby or like.
00:20:26
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Yeah, have two two dudes I keep touch with pretty much. it Is it cool or is it really just like clocking in? No, it's good. It's good. It's like obviously we don't I don't have a podcast with them.
00:20:36
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But, yeah, we have a lot of history, so it's easy. And then there's a lot of like life talk. It's not just like, LA, dude, let's have some beers, bitch.
00:20:48
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It's all why like bad coaching decisions that that affect your kids. Yeah. yeah and women spending too much goddamn money. And that's it. Yeah. But you know everybody I know is and kept in touch with in a meaningful way has had some struggles.
00:21:04
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So if you don't know about those, i don't know that you could call it like a, who do you really connect with? if i So I i did, i had to like I've been saying, I've been going on Facebook for this stupid company and and there there was an offer from an old old high school friend of ours for a friend request.
00:21:21
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And then I looked and I'm like, holy shit, there's a bun there's like a group of our class and shit on there. Oh, really? I could pretty easily put the put the put the word out, dude. Put the bat light out.
00:21:33
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POS is popping.
00:21:37
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Yeah, you could. Does that intrigue you? Does it scare you? It doesn't. Either way, man. Either way. I'm not worried about it. With your skeletons, you're honestly... Man, I'm coming at you today, huh?
00:21:51
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Well, look, the difference the difference between me and you is you look similar. i was full head of hair. Oh, here we go. And fucking 220. So I'd have to like and have to really kind of explain that, dude. Like, why'd you fall off so hard?
00:22:06
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but I think you look better. Why are you bald and, you know, such a piece of shit? Why is your wife 10 years younger and you look so old and ragged? But no, I mean, I would have to, I think from people's perspective of the caricature, because like, dude, I would probably say I was the most well-known dude in that school.
00:22:28
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And um I mean, that's not a brag. It's just like, I was such a fucking moron. Like who wears, who cuts off their flannel shirt sleeves and then puts it on their calves? And I did that like almost every day of the week.
00:22:41
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And who walked, like I wore sunglasses My entire senior year. You had a bag, you had like a duffel bag or something? In school. Yeah. So, and I carried cheeseburgers in my pocket. All this stuff was well known.
00:22:53
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Didn't the, you put the sleeves on your, on your calves, right? Yeah. With combat boots. Combat boots. Yeah. And it just made me look so much bigger too. Cause it's like highlighting the quads.
00:23:05
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I remember I started partying with a rival high school, Smokey Hill, and i'm like because of because I was playing baseball with those guys on some All-Star team. And they were like, what's up with that guy, Lance, man? Is he all there what?
00:23:17
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I was like, yeah, he's one of my good friends. He's not all there. But that was such a unique persona to try to – I mean, my coaches would even bring it up.
00:23:29
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Dude, you're like a fucking hippie radical weirdo. Didn't they, if one of them call it started calling you LA, right? That's before all that, yeah. It's sort of like the, it's like the arc of Dennis Rodman in high school, except for I stopped it, whereas he just kept escalating.
00:23:46
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That's so funny, like young Dennis Rodman, just like a normal black dude. That's how i started. yeah we Just worked his ass off and ah at a small school. You're just like, yes, sir.
00:23:57
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Yeah. Yeah. So you, that's, that is, uh, I think you're being serious. So one, you' you'd be like, one, you have this weird shit that you did in high school to overcome. Two, you feel like physically it would be weird for people to meet.
00:24:11
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But I have a feeling most of people you're going to meet are not going to look the same as they did 1994. Well, no. so well now No, I'm just saying it's ah it's a thought in my head of like, oh God, do i have to address all that? Oh, you were big in high school. Yep, I know.
00:24:25
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Or whatever. And it just doesn't. Do think look better now at 180 or whatever you are than 220? Sure. I think I'm fine. And I think nobody would be like, wow, he's really falling off. He looks like he's falling. Nobody would think that.
00:24:39
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I just don't want to deal with that in my own head or that perception in my own head. That's why don't know how much I choose the reunion. I have no doubt the person that we were talking about earlier is still jacked.
00:24:53
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Basically, probably still looks dope. Probably could still go sub 4.740. Oh, yeah, and creatine. And thinks about it. Creatine for breakfast every day. Probably. like I've run a 4.64. He's still running 40s for his own sake. Oh, my God, yeah.
00:25:09
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Yeah, well, it was a unique high school experience for me. And think that, though, that performance allowed me to be a musician. And um I think it was a total hack, dude.
00:25:20
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Like you obviously started comedy, but most people start comedy without any experience and build it up. The opposite, I think, is true for musicians where they trained a little bit in school. They knew how to read. They knew how to play.
00:25:33
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And then they started a band and I just like, no skills. My guitar skills were absolutely pathetic. Pathetic.
Identity Evolution from High School
00:25:41
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Yeah, I mean, but you, and but there is something to be said for like wearing that. Being that being like, you're you're a performer and you had, I don't know if you wanted or you didn't have all the eyes on you. There is that.
00:25:55
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You weren't prepping for that. and Maybe, yeah. Marilyn Manson. Yeah. I don't know. You think you're like, you're going to be such a witty dick the rest of your life or you're going to like let some of that high school persona go?
00:26:08
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No, I'd definitely let it go. I'm not, I'm not out to just slay people, but you mentioned it. I was a fucking dork loser, you know? And so I had to climb the charts one way or the other year and a half younger though, than most people, you know, i was first team all league sophomore 138 pounds of offensive tackle.
00:26:32
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That didn't propel me into the the stratosphere popularity. So then I had to come out talk How is that possible? i was I was going like a goddamn honey badger.
00:26:44
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Plus we were playing in 4A. But still, there were dudes. ah had a Almost every game someone had like 100 pounds on me, maybe more. I think I was second team all state that year. Yeah, we were dope. So a little a little bit better than you, just just a little bit.
00:26:59
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Yeah, you were also 19. Fuck, I i was 12 years old, dude. i'm like a one the play I'm literally one year older. a Dude, there's a now that now that we're mentioning it, so Sam Walker, if anyone's out there, a lot of guys, when I play a baseball, you know, I don't know if you find this, but and I don't know if you if you keep in touch with anybody when you were at the military academy, but like,
00:27:24
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When I went down and played baseball at Otero, it was like, by all means, and and you're hearing about other people that are having fucking great college experiences. My brother was in Boulder just having, it was still party school back then, so much fun.
00:27:38
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And I'm in ah this town called La Junta. It's like 7,000 people and you're playing baseball six hours a day in a fucking windstorm. and you're you're in this essentially racially divided dorm. it was like all these baseball players with basically like white kids and Hispanic kids and the basketball players, a lot of black dudes, which ah eventually became pretty fun. But at first it's like, you have all that teenage angst where everyone, everyone's just riled up black dudes were were like, fuck these white boys. we were all like, you know, yeah i'm clan members.
00:28:08
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And, no, just kidding. was It was weird, too, because I was friends with some of those guys because they they like there were a couple three or four guys that played at Aurora Hinkley. It was ah like awesome our senior year. and They had some good basketball players.
00:28:21
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Anyway, so you had all that. you just in this shithole. But I think some of the relationship, like when you're in the adverts, probably what happens to like in the military if you're serving in Afghanistan or some shit. Those people become like really close friends because you went through some bullshit together.
00:28:35
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I feel like some of my friends ah from Otero, I don't keep in touch with them, but I feel like that was like, a real galvanizing thing that I won't forget. Even though wasn't even there that long. And I wonder if like going through some of that shit, even like high school football practice.
00:28:53
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Well, I don't wonder. I know that's just like sometimes those relationships end up meaning more. Maybe that's why I yearn for Sam. But I would also, I'll throw another name out there, someone I would love to reconnect with, who I found to be a nice mix of jock meathead and but very smart and funny was uh travis and would love to see travis again he has a pretty close right we were when we were in the beginning of high school but i used to go skiing together a lot i or snowboarding so so we'd like riding the car together we'd have so much fun yeah so that was an interesting dude i thought very interesting dude yeah i kind of tap lost my temper on him and then our relationship ended after that but dude he was a guy that
00:29:34
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he He had a
Bonding Through Shared Challenges
00:29:35
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persona, too. He was kind of hard-ass, and nobody would fuck with him. But when I was starting to like like get some playing time and play, even like freshman year, sophomore year, he would be like, you little fuck, you're playing pretty hard, man, or something something like that.
00:29:49
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He was a moody kid, too. Yeah, was the only child, wasn't he? Yeah, I blame it on that. but But I wanted to mention, you're right. Like one of the more connecting moments was basic training when I was up there.
00:30:03
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And you just. the academy? It's just easy to connect with people then. And also, obviously, football and playing rugby or anything where you're kind of like in it together. is It's just so so sorely missed right now.
00:30:19
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And I felt the same way with the band because that we were just connected. I've said all this before, I think, but. The battle. You want to go through battle with somebody. Yeah. Most men, we don't have that anymore. Like, like you go golf with a guy or play some pickleball or some shit. You're not like, boy, that brought us closer.
00:30:35
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yeah You have to think about it. It's it's probably not going to be there, but you don't have those experiences anymore. You have to. I think people try to get that through businesses and that just that sometimes leaves you empty handed.
00:30:49
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It's not as exciting as is when you're younger and playing sports or bonding in those other ways that I described. I love the idea of someone being like, i fucking we had the toughest pickleball match ever.
00:31:01
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That's my blood brother, man. Yeah. That's a huge gap for men at this age. It's like it's such a huge gap. We don't connect well in just conversation over coffee. I'm going to go jam with some dude I just met, play music.
00:31:14
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That's always an easy easy way for me as a guy to like ask questions that I would never ask or tell people stuff I wouldn't tell them. as early, right? Cause you're just in the midst of this creative experience. We just don't have as many, uh, experiences like that. that's why i like bringing, in when we brought people on here to see, to hear them talk about their lives, like it's pretty fun.
00:31:36
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It would have been nice if Jake didn't fuck us. This is what we get from reaching out to old friends, huh? Well, he's being a pussy, dude. I mean, I don't know how you can't record a podcast just because your work is busy. My work is busy.
00:31:48
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Such weak dude. That's when you need a podcast, dude. That's when you need a Sam Walker to walk back into your life. Travis N. Yeah, so what's next for you?
00:32:00
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You've been reflecting? Like in terms of... Next is now, bro. Well, what do you want to be as a person? I mean, if we had, we, all we have is those, all these experiences and I, and I can take the positive, charming, you know, funny, without being a ruthless dick. It's like, you could use your, you could be a big, strong guy and use that to whatever, be a fireman or to beat the fuck out of people.
00:32:29
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Right. So I would like to, uh, use whatever, like have the confidence because I'm still like insecure and shy to use, use those skills I developed of being a smart ass and being cocky and use that for the, for the, for the good of mankind and the good of my bank account, motherfucker.
00:32:47
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Wow. Yeah, that's, that's what, so, which I'm doing, you know, and but I don't always want to, you know, it's like the, it's like, you don't want to,
00:32:59
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you don't always want like a you know, a rock star comedian that doesn't always want to, you come off stage, you don't want to be fucking funny. Or you come off stage, you don't want to be like the performer. Yeah.
00:33:10
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yeah Sometimes just want to be like, fuck you. Fucking idiot interior designer. don't give a fuck about your fucking pillows or curtains or, you know? Yeah.
00:33:21
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You want to play the game. Play the game. Should I, should I follow through on reaching out to these people from the past? That was a question. Do you miss any, do you miss any, do you miss, so you don't necessarily miss people. I've mentioned couple people that I would love to reconnect with.
00:33:35
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There's probably more. i mean, I'd like to, but I'm not sitting here pining away. But do you miss, are you, are you nostalgic or miss a time in your life? I mean, you've talked about a little bit, but like a real, like, is there any, are you just like, no, every, every phase of my life is great. It just keeps getting better.
00:33:52
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ah I've been pretty good at that. My wife will say I'm pretty good at when it's done, it's done. That doesn't mean just like... That's good? Well, it's a good thing to be able to move forward and not cling so hard. But like, yeah, I miss ah miss that it doesn't seem...
00:34:10
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as possible to have the kind of creative experiences that I've had in the past anymore. Like what I'd love to do right now is to just like have a small group of people and have like a comedy troupe of some sort, like just go do stuff in the, whether it's just open mics or create stupid stuff, writing podcast, that would be, that'd be fun.
00:34:31
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That'd be really fun. That's not tied to a time in your life. It's just a ah thing. It's more of like continuation of the creativity you've had either being a lunatic in high school a band person, ah music.
00:34:44
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Yeah.
Creative Pursuits in Adulthood
00:34:45
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I'm just looking for channels of, of that kind of connection that I enjoy. Yeah. Like what you and I are doing. I just like, this is so valuable of, of it's so fun and enjoyable, but I'd like it to have a stronger goal tied to it or, or maybe some more,
00:35:02
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So you variable experiences like getting on stage, forcing each other to do more extreme and stupid stuff. I like that. I can't believe i want to say this, dude, because it's like suggesting poetry slam or something ridiculous. But you need to find an improv group.
00:35:19
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Maybe. Yeah. Improv. If I can take it to real naughty places. But that's where you're gonna find the people like-minded people that wanna put on a show, that will work to put on a show, that will do stupid, like whatever stupid idea you come up with, they can work, they can make it. It'd be like a skit comedy show, but you need like, just just need a few people that are like, yeah, let's do fuck something silly.
00:35:43
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Maybe. I mean, you can do it in the standup community, but then you'd have to find people that will branch out of just their own show, which which would be easy to find. i mean, like Andrew, the guy we had on, he he does a bunch of different type of shows. He does a show related to Dungeons and Dragons.
00:35:56
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Comedians are selfish people. They're selfish people. Here we go. They want to be a one-man act. Very selfish people. Yeah, well. Just kidding. That's bands never break up. No, I don't need your solutioning.
00:36:10
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I don't need solutioning, Matt. I just need you to validate. Validate my feelings, buddy. Don't give me solutions. I'm thinking of three or four high school friends of ours that you could get and join an improv group.
00:36:22
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Honestly, it could be in an old folks home. I move in about 60 years old and find a group of idiots and we put on shows for all the old bags. That doesn't have to be the channel, but it like I like the idea of coming together with people and in creating something.
00:36:38
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I've done old folks homes, stand-up lives, and cancer cancer outpatient centers. good You can do a show tomorrow if you want, an improv show. You can walk around and dress up like you did in high school and fucking people will be like, yeah, come in. theyre like Or I can play the guitar too. yeah I still think you write good songs, you write funny songs, I still think there's something about you putting on shows as a sort of, and don't know if it's parody, but as a musician, but you still like writing tight music and stuff, but there's humor in the songs.
00:37:10
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yeah I think you you could perform those. i think that be... don't want to do it by myself. we're were I'm on the cusp of 50. It's not... It makes it even better. Yeah, but to you, because you're old too, bro, but it's not as cute as you think anymore. It's more of a... Fuck cute, dude.
00:37:26
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Most people now, all these comics that are popping are all... Everyone's popping now around 50. That's like the arc now. Like Leanne? Yeah. Where's Leigh-Anne? She's a southern chick that she just popped huge in her 50s and she got a sitcom and she is she's she's good. All of them, dude. I mean, they all had some heat. most of them had heat on them through their 30s and 40s, but like most of these guys, I mean, there's obviously like a boom going on with Netflix and podcasting, but most of these guys, and they're not all just like stand-up comics. I've seen some other people that are doing silly music and shit. They're all in their late forty s
00:38:00
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Early 50s. Well, let me add you. You really missed the gap in that. OK, this is like last week's episode where you're like, oh, I just help but tell other people how positive I am about what they can do.
00:38:11
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This is what you said specifically. And you're doing it right now for yourself. Let me ask, do you see that wide range of beautiful possibilities right now in the comedy space and then and just like, oh, gosh, if you.
00:38:26
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If you want to do it, you can do it. And boy, it'd be great. Well, you didn't tell me you need to sell out fucking Mile High Stadium or anything. You're just saying you want to put on a show, which what you could do.
00:38:38
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Yeah. And I did with my family. I made them all do comedy skits one night. And it was a great night. I'm not saying you're going to be the next Bert Kreiser taking off your shirt and... whatever the fuck that guy does, but you could you could be little local theater Lance singing your POS song, singing little heart out.
00:38:58
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Right. No, but I mean, don't you feel like the possibilities are shrinking? um I guess. I don't even understand how it works. So I don't know because people would tell you the the possibilities are getting bigger because you can do it all yourself.
00:39:12
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but the But the idea is more like, yeah, young people are doing it all themselves or something or something like that. I mean, for connecting with others and building the types of friendships you had in the past, you know, for for creating an environment where those new connections got strong.
00:39:27
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i It just doesn't feel like there's the same range of possibilities. Well, I mean, I think...
00:39:38
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The only difference is like you were put in these situations. so You didn't have, like you didn't have, I mean, you had to sign up to play football. Of course you had to go to college, but you're put in these situations where now you just have to find them yourself.
00:39:50
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Unless the only, the only way now, which you're almost out of it, the only way you develop relationships now is usually like just through your kids and their activities and and the parent, the their friends' parents. But now there is a lot of it's easier to find, you know, like if you want to go out and find a group, an improv group, it's probably easier for you to find that now.
00:40:07
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Yes. And I found a group like in the financial space where it's now making some connections, different people. There's a lot more. That's the one use for the tech that I think has been magnificent is you can just find people with like-minded people and and strike up a connection. but But I think the sad thing for you and me is we still like, even though we act like we don't, you still like, there's there's subconsciously still like, why would I do that? Because it's too late for me to be wildly successful.
00:40:35
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There's still that in the background. Yeah, there's that or that like it's not important because it's not making money or it's not monetized. So I feel that all the time. But like I also just don't that's not what creativity is about. And I also don't want to do it all with paul by myself.
00:40:51
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There's a lot of stuff I do. I know i could I could get you could punch it up to the extreme level that I think it would need to be. I think a lot of people would like it. Actually, some of the stuff I'm doing, i think there are certain things I've written that a lot of people would like to listen to as jokes.
00:41:07
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But. A hundred percent. To do it by yourself, though, is like, don't know, dude. I get the idea that this is great and it's triggered your creative, you're writing the songs and shit, but it's not, it's not theatrical enough for you.
00:41:21
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I mean, it is, but you, you, you want, you, you, you like yearn for like, i don't know if it's stage performance, but ah something a little more in a performance nature. Well, my dream for this would be that we were, that we would have live shows.
00:41:33
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I think that would be great. We talked about that. But so the only way to do that though, is for me to put it out to EHS class of 94. That's how we get to a hundred listeners, bro. That's how we do it. Or, or you promote it on social media so you can get to 5,000 and then you can actually have people come to the show.
00:41:51
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I have a pretty, like we've, we have some, some growing pains on promoting our business on social media. I'm starting to learn. Yeah. I don't want to do it yet. Just, just letting you know. But I have some good, good. I'm stuck. We're starting to figure it out a little bit about like zip code targeting, you know, drive people to a landing page, that kind of stuff. And when when we do that, dude,
00:42:13
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Bring your seatbelt, bro.
00:42:16
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I will. Bring your helmet. We fucking did all this and I got back and and like right in the front row, we did all this and we're in an arena or something like that. Sam Walker, Travis. Backstage.
00:42:28
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Backstage. Whoever you're... Don't want to admit that you're yearning to see. I would that would... That would be... That would be fantastic, dude. And what what if i I talked to Sam and as just he's just like, oh, my portfolio is fucked up.
00:42:41
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He's all serious and it's the worst conversation ever.
00:42:53
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Do you want a piece of shit in your life? Do you want a piece of shit in your life?
00:43:02
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You've come to the right place.
00:43:11
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Cause I am a piece of shit and you know it. I am a piece of shit and know it.