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180 - Twins (1988)
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“All theory, no practice. The story of my life.”
We’re back with week two of Arnie April 2: Austrian Boogaloo with a movie we really wanted to cover the last time we did a Schwarzeneggar theme month… but we’re making up for it now! We talk about the directing style of Ivan Reitman, the long history of how this movie came to screen, the now-canceled sequel, and do a career retrospective on Robert Rodriguez! Join us!
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Introduction and Concept
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you
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No sequel for you. Only Our Mother can tell us apart here on the disenfranchised podcast. That's right, that podcast all about those franchises of one, those films that fancy themselves full fledged franchises before falling flat on their face after the first film.
Catch-Up and Podcast History
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I am your host, Steven Foxworthy. And joining me, as always, the man who was may or may not have been put together by a group of German scientists. It's Tucker. Hey, Tucker.
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Hi, Steven. How's it going? It goes, man. How are you? I'm pretty psyched. I'm pretty psyched to be talking about a movie. Yeah, man. It's been a couple of weeks since we got together to talk about a movie. Or it's been a few, actually, since we've been together to talk about a movie. That's true. And let me tell you, Steven, the thing that kept me from being on the last episode
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almost kept me from being
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The utilities aren't buried. I mean, it's rock. I'm in New Hampshire. It's all rock underground. I'm on solid granite. Not only is it rock, it's cold rock. So yeah. Good luck.
00:02:00
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So Thursday, when the power went out on Thursday, over 80% of New Hampshire was without power. And there are still people that don't have power. I'm not surprised by that. I'm glad you were able to get it up and running and able to join us tonight. But if Tucker just cuts out in the middle of the episode, we have to end early. A squirrel farted. A squirrel farted in his general direction. There was a stiff breeze, so.
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It should be noted that our co-host Brett Wright set off in an inflatable raft to muttering something about finding his long-lost brother. I don't know. We're hoping he'd come back. He's back soon, but I don't know. He's been gone for a while. I wonder if sometimes Brett will be rejoining us.
00:02:48
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I don't know. We did it. What are we watching last week? That's true. You guys did without me because lots of video games. Steven, I got all that off our chest while you weren't around. I'm so glad that I was able to not be there so you could do that. No, I know, man, my work schedule just been overloading me and I you guys were all like, let's do it. And I'm like, I can't stay up that late. I'm sorry, guys, I just can't. I was I was absolutely in bed by like nine o'clock that evening. It was perfect timing because both of us had built up
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quite a list of video games, so it was good to urge that. You kind of keep those locked and loaded for when Brett is on? I do. If it's because very rarely is it the three of us. Mm hmm. So like when it's just... When's the last time it was the three of us? It's been a hot minute. Probably been a month ago. Probably been a month ago. It doesn't happen often, but it happens often enough. I wouldn't say it's rare, but it's certainly not common.
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Yeah, these days it is less common. But, you know, life as it often does finds a way. And that's what it's been doing, man. Life do be finding a way sometimes, though. I'm looking at our episodes here. I think it was Dylan Dog. I think was the last time we were all together.
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Uh, that was our February 20. Thank you. That was our February 22nd episode. All right. Yeah. Yeah. So it's been, it's been like a month and a half almost since we've seen our good friend
Arnie April 2: Austrian Boogaloo
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Brett, right? No, it's worth mentioning that last week's episode where I did not appear is the only episode that I have not appeared on by choice. And even the one that I dipped out of, because I just could not bear to talk about the film.
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I did a what are we watching with those guests. So still counts, still counts. That's the only one I've missed. I've only missed one main feed episode and two what are we watching in the history of the podcast. So that's true. So we're running neck and neck, Steven. Yes. But yeah, so Tucker,
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This is a very auspicious month because it is the first month ever where we are doing a sequel. Yes, we, the podcast, all about movies that didn't get sequels, are doing a sequel to one of our favorite previous theme months. A couple years ago in April, we did Arnold in April. We covered four Arnold Schwarzenegger movies. And this month, we're doing it again in something we're calling Arnie April 2, Austrian Boogaloo.
Discussion on 'Twins'
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And yeah, last week we talked about Commando with our friends from the Movies for Life podcast. And this week, Tucker, we are talking about what classic film?
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We're talking about twins. 1988 twins, directed by Ivan Reitman and written by William Davies, Timothy Harris, William Osborn, and Herschel Weingrod, starring the man himself, Arnold Schwarzenegger, also Danny DeVito, Kelly Preston, Chloe Webb, Bonnie Bartlett, an uncredited Heather Graham? What? What?
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David Caruso, Trey Wilson, Marshall Bell, and the great Tony Jay. I also want to throw in my boy, Maury Chaikin, and apparently Sven Ole Thorsen is in this as well. That's great.
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And, you know, Stephen, speaking of Ghostbusters, too. Sorry. What accounts for a picture? You know, the the gal that that plays Danny DeVito's girlfriend in this movie. She is also has a bit part in Ivan Reitman's next film, which is Ghostbusters, too. She's the lady that that meets the alien at the Holiday Inn Paramus that tells her when the end of the world is. She's on Peter Venkman's World of the Psychic.
00:06:57
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from Valentine's Day. Bummer. She is also she her one of her the role that kind of gave her prominence was she played Nancy Spudgen. Yeah. Yeah. That's a that's a something of a movie. I don't know about that one. That one's pretty wild. Yeah. Yeah. I saw that one too young. I have avoided that one. Honestly, I feel too young at 40. I feel like I'm still too young for said Nancy, honestly. No, you can handle it. It's just not something you'd ever want to watch again.
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It's one of those. I've seen too many of those that I'm just like, you know what? I'm good. Like, I'm good. But yeah, we are talking twins. Arnold Schwarzenegger's first foray into comedy, which we didn't really talk a lot about his comedy work the last time we did this. So I am kind of excited to get into his comedy, specifically the comedy that he did with Reitman. But first, Tucker,
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We have something to discuss because you were not a recurring regular member of the podcast in April of 2022 when we last did our Arnold theme month. So this time I am very curious to know what your history is with Arnie, when it was you first connected with him, what your thoughts are on his body of work, where he is now, like just give us your Arnie thoughts.
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Well, the first film I saw Arnold Schwarzenegger in was kindergarten cop. Hmm. And boy, did I love that movie when I was a kid. That that feels right. I tell you what, that was that was a good time. Real, real good time. And honestly, I've been kind of indifferent about Arnold since like I like him.
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I think he's great. I like it when he's in stuff, but he's not really someone that I go out of my way to see a movie just because he's in it. Right. He's not a draw. He in and of himself is not a draw for you. No. I do think that he's talented. I don't think that
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Every role that he takes really uses those talents. Oh, really? Interesting. Like, I think this film really is one of his best performances because it's a very balanced performance. He does the fish out of water thing really well. He really does. He really balances the comedy with the drama in this, too. Like, I believe all the serious stuff with him in this movie. And that's not something that people really think of
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Schwarzenegger as is someone who is like a good dramatic actor. I think it was more like the big action guy and it's all cheesy and and and campy and stuff. But he really brings it in this movie. He does. I was really impressed not to say that I knew he could do that sort of thing. I just didn't know that he did it in this movie because I've never seen it before. Oh, OK. Yeah. So you haven't seen twins ever. No, because I just I really like I said, I just don't
00:10:07
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I don't dislike Arnold, I just don't really care. Okay. I don't care. And that's fair. That's totally fair.
00:10:14
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I think I kind of made my action star allegiances and he was unfortunately left out. He was not people that I was a little more a little more impressed with. Sure. But I do think that he's he can be a fantastic actor and he's definitely a fantastic presence in pretty much anything that he's in. Agreed. Now, who are your action action star go tos? Like, who are your action star guys? Stallone. OK.
00:10:43
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Uh, you know, uh, Bruce Willis probably there for a while. It really depends on what, what era we're in. Well, 88, like this is an interesting year because this is the year that Arnie goes comedic and Bruce Willis, the guy, the funny guy from moonlighting comes an action star. Like this is a very, this is the year when the cultural landscapes around and particularly in America surrounding what an action star looks like, looks like completely shifts. And I find that really fascinating.
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Yeah, I really speaking of Bruce Willis, I think the thing that I really liked about the original Die Hard is it's really just David Addison in an action movie. You really kind of is. Yeah. Like he's just a goofy guy who is caught in a crazy situation. And that happens a lot in moonlighting as well. Like see the pilot, like the most suspenseful episode of the whole series. They're up on that ledge and like, wow.
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But yeah, moonlighting, uh, it's finally streaming. So you don't have an excuse if you haven't seen moonlighting. Oh, hell yeah. Where's it at? Oh, I think it's on Hulu is where they, it finally ended up. It was kind of a big deal a couple months ago. It was finally on streaming because for a long time there, you couldn't, you couldn't find it on streaming. You couldn't buy it. You couldn't stream it anywhere.
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I actually the way that I watched the entire series was through Netflix DVD We remember
Potential 'Twins' Sequels
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when that was the thing Yeah, so I watched that entire series and I it's all worth watching up up until they answer the will they won't they and then there's just no tension anymore and you're like this is still a good show but I
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That's always when these things fall apart. Yeah. I know Orson Welles shows up in the last season of that show. So I'm kind of like, I want to watch it up until Orson's episode. And there's some there's some good stuff like they're always they were kind of the first show to really get super meta, like breaking the fourth wall and do that and do special episodes that like just use the characters and put them in different situation. And it's not part of canon. Oh, nice.
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Um, it's a really wacky show, especially for the time. Like you didn't do that kind of shit back then. Nobody even knew what that kind of shit was. Right. Nobody had even thought of that yet. It wasn't. We didn't have multiverse of madness up in this motherfucker. Like nobody even doing multiverse. What if or yeah. Yeah. Moonlighting is fantastic. You don't have an excuse anymore. Go see it. Everybody's great in it. Bruce Willis is fantastic in it.
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Booger is in it. The guy who plays Booger in Revenge of the Nerds. Curtis Armstrong. Yes, I love him. He's really great in that show, too. He's so good. Yeah. Check out some moonlighting. Oh, yeah. We were talking about action stars. Yeah. Schwarzenegger was just always kind of one of the side guys for me was never a main guy that I was too interested in.
00:13:48
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Well, I think plus you and I are of an age where we didn't really grow up with Arnie as action star because like this movie comes out when I'm five. And so like I grew up with Arnie as family.
00:14:03
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Like movie star and I would argue this is the movie that really some like last last week we talked about the movie that kind of cement his action persona. This is the movie that I think cements him as just a Hollywood movie star regardless of genre regardless of what it is like we can pitch it to Arnold and he could probably do it. Yeah.
00:14:25
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And this proves that he could do it really well given the right material. Right. Absolutely. 100 percent. This is a movie that we wanted to do two years ago when we ran this. But at that point, there was a lot of talk about the possibility of a sequel to Twins called, which I'm still holding out for triplets. I look basically everyone has said it's not happening.
00:14:54
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Um, because this, so basically, we can go ahead and talk about, I guess, the, the, the sequel to this movie now. Might as well.
Ivan and Jason Reitman's Influence
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Might as well. It is kind of a thing that we do on this podcast, right? So, um, but this was something that had basically, Arnold had kind of always wanted to do it.
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And in the early 2000s, he and DeVito and Reitman start talking about what a sequel to this would be like. Apparently, Arnold had always wanted to do it. There's this idea, well, okay, this is twins. What if it's triplets? And so the original, there are two teams of screenwriters that worked on this film, the second team, Osborne and
00:15:38
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Oh, what was his name? Wine? Gold or whatever. Wine Grodd, sorry. The two of them work on a treatment and basically pitch it in the idea. You got a big strong guy, you got, you know, a shorter kind of skeevy guy. What's left? A black guy. Like, yeah, that's naturally where you go with that. It writes itself.
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And so the treatment that they came up with was going to have Eddie Murphy as the third triplet, which apparently came out of like conversations that he had had with either Arnold or Reitman. And Arnold was into the idea. DeVito was into the idea. Reitman was like, everyone was kind of into the idea. And so they write and then Arnold becomes governor of California.
00:16:26
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And so that everything that he is doing kind of just stops, like his movie star career just stops. He's running an entire state. He does that for, I think, about seven or eight years. And then by the time he's done, like he's talking about it again. So 2012, they kind of start talking about it again in earnest.
00:16:47
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Um, and you know, they're talking about it. They're discussing it. Um, and eventually after coming to America, the sequel to the original coming to America, um, like Eddie Murphy starts getting offered a bunch of stuff. So he's out like he can't do it anymore.
00:17:04
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So they're like, well, who do we know? Oh, let's do Tracy Morgan. And so we're gonna cast Tracy Morgan. We get two other guys to write the script. It's a different script. Those are two completely different movies that I would totally watch. Right. I would watch both of those. Right. So they pull in Tracy Morgan and everything is going great. They announced that it's in development. They announced that it's happening. Five months after that, Ivan Reitman dies.
00:17:32
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Uh, passes away. He passes away. I don't have the month right here in front of me in February of 2022. So this was one of those that was like on the list. And then we were like, at that point, it was still uncertain as to whether or not it would actually happen. And I think since then, pretty much it's been canceled. I don't think anyone really wants to touch it without right men.
00:17:57
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I don't even think Jason, like, hey, let's reboot my career by going back to the Ghostbusters. Well, Reitman wants to wants to do that, even though he's making his career on rebooting his dad's stuff now. But I think he kind of felt obligated to do that Ghostbusters movie. And I honestly, it doesn't seem like he's really interested outside of producing in that after that. And he doesn't seem to be trying to. That's the thing. If you put Jason Reitman on this,
00:18:25
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He's just doing it again. You know, I feel like he did the Ghostbusters thing because like he kind of had to. Hmm. But I think his obligation is done like he is his own filmmaker. Like, thank you for smoking is no. And I think that's sick. But I think by and large, a lot of the stuff that he was doing on those films, I didn't realize he didn't direct the sequel. Interesting. OK. I thought he directed Frozen Empire. I didn't know he didn't. OK. But like.
00:18:53
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his career is also in a very fallow place when when afterlife comes out. So I think he needs afterlife every bit as much as like
00:19:04
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people wanted him to do it. I think that kind of gives his career the shot in the arm that it needed to kind of get him back as producer, writer, director, extraordinaire, and gives him the freedom to make the movies that Jason wants to make, because the movies that Jason wants to make have kind of fallen out of favor. They're the kind of movies that aren't getting made anymore.
00:19:26
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Yeah, sadly and so like because I mean this is the guy that gave us Juno and up in the air Thank you for smoking as you mentioned before And then good and then he does like I miss our name card
00:19:41
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Oh, yeah. What's he like? Oh, I don't know. He's what I'm scared to check. I don't want to look. Tully and the front runner and the front runner kind of tanks is that's the the Hugh Jackman biopic of.
00:19:57
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Oh, it was named Gary Hart, who's running the running a presidential campaign. And then he finds out he's having an affair. Like that's not no one did. That's the point. I should. So like his career is kind of like floundering at that point. Tully does in this movie.
00:20:16
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Yes. Jason Reitman's in this movie. And as is his sister, who is a regular recurring character on It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, which stars Danny DeVito. He doesn't he doesn't tell anybody that they're full of crap. No.
00:20:29
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in this one? No. My dad says you're full of crap. And the funniest part is that his dad was Ivan. So Ivan probably did say that at some point. Ivan strikes me, just things I've heard about him, he strikes me as one of those directors who
00:20:47
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is kind of overbearing on a set and kind of knows how to get what he wants by like nagging people a little bit. Like his two biggest comedic collaborators, and this is going to sound really fucking weird, but his two biggest comedic collaborators are Bill Murray and Arnold Schwarzenegger. And Bill Murray is one of those guys who's just notoriously difficult to work with. Like if he likes you,
00:21:12
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he will listen to you, but if you start to lose his respect a little bit, he will turn on
Development and Casting of 'Twins'
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you. Just ask Harold Ramis. And I think I've talked about this recently. The reason why Bill Murray and Sylvester Stallone don't win their Oscars, even though they're kind of the favorites, is because the people voting for them are people that have had to fucking work with them. And they're just like, no, not going to give you the satisfaction, bro. Just not going to do it. Sorry.
00:21:40
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And they're because they're kind of assholes and Reitman is the kind of guy and I'm not saying this Schwarzenegger is this kind of person because I don't think he is but like he can bike put a guy like Murray in his place pretty easily and be like No, we're gonna do it this way and Murray's like, okay and Murray will defer like he can out asshole Bill Murray, which I
00:22:00
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That's a feat in itself. Right. And I don't mean to speak ill of the dead. Like, I don't mean this as an insult. I just from what I've heard, this is kind of the way the man ran to set. And that's, you know, and if we're comparing him to Bill Murray, then that means he's at least a lovable asshole. Right. Right. He's an asshole that people seem to enjoy. Yeah.
00:22:21
Speaker
But I mean, like, I read I did a little bit of research on this episode. But like, listening to the lead up on this, like, the original two screenwriters are like a pair of British guys who were like, one of them was a barrister, one of them worked for a tabloid, and they just got bored with their jobs. They started writing scripts. And they knew someone who worked in LA who like knew a producer. So they just sent her like a bunch of scripts.
00:22:45
Speaker
And they liked him enough that they were like, yeah, come on out. So they came out to LA and they're like, well, who do you want to meet? And they're like, well, we love Ghostbusters. So Ivan Reitman. And they sit down with Ivan Reitman. They pitch him the ideas. And he goes, those suck. I hate those. He goes, here's what I want to do. I want to make a movie with Arnold Schwarzenegger. Because up to this point, Arnold has only been action guy. That's it. That's all he's done. And I think Reitman said that he had dinner with Robin Williams and Arnold Schwarzenegger one night, which
00:23:15
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to be a fly on the wall for that meal, right? I would have had to step away and take a break, I feel like, every once in a while, because that's just a lot of energy at one table.
00:23:24
Speaker
Holy shit. But like both Robin, both Williams and Reitman were really shocked at how funny Arnold was. And they're like, why don't you do this on screen? Like, you're hilarious. You should be doing comedies. And Arnold basically says they don't want me to do comedies. I'm an action guy. Like, they only want they'll only let me do action movies. They don't want me to do a comedy. I want that's why your comedy is going to be funnier, especially if you nail it, which he does. He does.
00:23:51
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If you're subverting expectations because people think you're one thing and you, you show them that you can do something else. His timing in this movie, I cannot say enough good things about his performance in this film, though. So spoilers. I thought this film was pretty mid.
00:24:08
Speaker
But the performances of the entire cast, especially Arnold Schwarzenegger, were definitely not a low point of the film at all. For me, what this movie is built on, and I think the thing that really keeps this movie from bombing outright is the chemistry between Schwarzenegger and DeVito and how committed they both are and how amazingly well they sell the performances they're giving in this movie. Yeah, I believe like those are two very well-known people, but I believe that they're these two other people.
00:24:37
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with two very established personas. And the fact that they're able to turn in these performances. And like Arnold is kind of fish out of water in the movie, but also fish out of water as a comedian, cause he's never done it before. DeVito, like this is Louis De Palma from Taxi with like some stuff added in. Cause he's like, wait, this is just Louis. Like what else is there?
00:25:04
Speaker
And they're like, you're right. We'll give you some. So they gave him like some extra stuff. They made him a little scuzzier, a little hornier. You know, kind of like Dustin DeVito's like, I think this is the only movie I've ever been or the first movie I was ever in where I actually got the girl at the end. He is a sex object in this movie. All the girls want him in this movie. He did. I felt obligated to want him. But I did this movie. Danny Fox in this movie.
00:25:32
Speaker
That is all there is to it. We're gonna do a whole Danny DeVito sidebar later. That is a thing that has to happen. But for right now, I mean on the Arnold of it.
00:25:44
Speaker
Reitman basically says, I want to make a comedy with Arnold. I met him. I think he's hilarious. He wants to do a comedy. I want to be the guy to do a comedy with him. And so they put their heads together. They start writing. They come up with three pitches. There's a heist thing, something no one remembers, and then twins. And that's the one that Reitman bought. He buys that premise right away. He's like, that's perfect. They write the script for Steve Martin.
00:26:14
Speaker
for Arnold and Steve Martin. They're thinking like that kind of like malicious, mischievous, impish kind of would play well against like the innocence that Arnold would be bringing to his character. Yeah. And they're like first time screenwriters. I'm pretty sure this is the first thing either of them has ever like wrote that they got paid for. So like I don't think either of them were
00:26:38
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like really knew how movies got made. At that point, they were just kind of like, oh, we're making movies, this is so fun. And so like they didn't really know how to write for someone. They had done a TV movie in 87 called Student Exchange, but this is their first like movie movie. And so basically like Reitman's giving them notes and they're kind of, and nothing really
00:27:05
Speaker
Like apparently they gave Reitman the script and his wife says to them, he laughed five times. And they're like, it's 120 pages. She's like, no, no, no. That's good. Like he laughed five times. That's good. That's that's what Michael Keaton said in his video recently. Did you watch that? I have it now. He that's something he said. He was like, yo, if you read a comedy script and you laugh out loud five times, take that script like be in that movie.
00:27:35
Speaker
Yeah, that's wild. That's I guess that's a thing. I thought that was just a Michael Keaton thing. But no, apparently that's like a rule. Yeah. But yeah, that's 100 percent what it was like. And so she's like, no, that's good. The one scene that I know they kept from the very first draft was the scene where Vincent like and it's apparently the scene that made Reitman laugh the hardest when he was reading it is the scene where DeVito is like, wait, so I'm the crap.
00:28:03
Speaker
I'm all the crap that's left over. I'm the residue. That was the scene that made them laugh the hardest. And so that's the one thing that lasts all the way through every conception and permutation of this movie. Weirdly, also, the whole thriller angle, which is the thing I think works least in this movie, that was in the original script as well, which I'm like, I don't think we need that.
00:28:29
Speaker
Yeah, it feels a little out of place, but still works because it's in character for Danny DeVito's character. It's in character for both of them. Like it fits and I get it. But at the same token, it seems like we don't trust this premise enough to like let the movie rest on this premise. We have to do all this other shit, too.
00:28:54
Speaker
But so they handed off to the other two guys who had done trading places. And the first two guys are not offended at all. They're like, no, we love trading places. That's great. Do that. That sounds wonderful. So they do a pass and a rewrite. They actually tone it more to DeVito and Arnold's specific personalities and personas and kind of make it their movie.
Financial Success of 'Twins'
00:29:18
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And yeah, it's kind of one of those things like the movie starts getting made and they're like
00:29:24
Speaker
Look, we don't have enough money to like pay all of you. Plus, we don't really have a lot of faith in this because Arnold's never done comedy before. So we're not going to pay you up front. They're like, that's fine. Well, Reitman, Schwarzenegger and DeVito all said we'll take back end. We'll take a cut of the profits. Spoiler alert, this movie made a shit ton of money. Yeah. And basically, DeVito said this is like the biggest payday he ever had in his entire career.
00:29:53
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He's still getting checks for it, maybe. Yeah. Arnie's like, this is the best. Arnie's like, that movie was the best decision I ever made. The decision to invest in myself was the best decision I ever made. The writers were like, we'll take a backdoor cut, too. And they're like, no, that's precedent. We don't want to do that. Not for the writers, no. Universal's like, we're going to cut that off. You guys will not get a cut of the gross. Sorry.
00:30:18
Speaker
But the three, the two stars and the director absolutely did. And they made out like bandits. Like it's DeVito's biggest payday, probably one of Arnold's biggest paydays too, all things considered. Cause this movie makes, spoiler, over a hundred million dollars domestic and over 200 million worldwide. This movie is a bona fide hit. One of the few chances of this podcast, we get to talk about a movie that actually does well.
00:30:44
Speaker
I mean, that well, at least. Right. Like we don't we don't often get those those opportunities. So, yeah, it's like and that's like 1988 money. Like those numbers would be like perfectly fine for a movie of this size now. But in 1988, that's huge. Like that's massive. So like it ends up being like a really lucrative thing for everybody involved.
00:31:11
Speaker
And yeah, man, it's just it's a it's a it's a really special thing. Like this movie is kind of wow. Is it perfect? No, I think I tend to I think I agree with your sentiment. It's it's mid maybe a little on this side of mid, like the good side of mid. But like, but yeah, it's but it proves that it proves that Arnold is a movie star, not just an action star.
00:31:36
Speaker
And it proves that, like, DeVito has a kind of leading man charisma that he had up to that point never been given the opportunity to demonstrate, which I think is really fascinating because at this point in DeVito's career, let's let's do a DeVito sidebar now. Let's do it. He is like 75. He does One Flew Over the Cuckoo. Cuckoo's best. It's not his first movie, but it's like his first prominent movie.
00:32:06
Speaker
There's so many people in that movie that went on to do some of the weirdest stuff. Like you got DeVito, you've got Christopher Lloyd. You've got Tony Danson, Mary Lou Hennar, Christopher Lloyd, Judd Hirsch, Andy Kaufman.
00:32:29
Speaker
Like just such an insane cast in that. Uh, the voice of Chucky. I feel really bad for not having Brad Dorff. There you go. Brad Dorff is in Cuckoo's nest. Yes. Oh, I was doing taxi. Sorry. I jumped ahead to taxi. Sorry. Well, that's awkward. That is awkward.
00:32:46
Speaker
I was wondering where Tony Danza was in Cuckoo's Nest. I was like, I must have missed that part. No, see what I had done. Really? What I did is I jumped ahead to like the next thing that I was researching and forgot that you were talking about Cuckoo's Nest still. So that's my bet. Sorry. That's because I stopped to cough, wasn't it? You did. I broke the momentum. Damn it. I got all distracted. And I'm also consuming this delightful adult beverage.
00:33:11
Speaker
That's fantastic. Anyway, Cuckoo's Nest, it's really good to see the movie. Go see the play. Yeah. It's hard to find that play up, so pretty much anywhere we'll do. Right on.
00:33:24
Speaker
But then in 1978, he gets cast on Taxi, which he's on till 1983. And he's I mean, he shows up in 83. He also shows up in terms of endearment. And then 84, he gets romancing the stone, which kind of like puts him in another
00:33:43
Speaker
Echelon kind of moves him up a little bit. He's in the music video for Ray Parker Jr's Ghostbusters, a thing I did not know. A lot of people are that are not involved with Ghostbusters. Just some random celebrities in that video. It's fantastic. He's in Jewel of the Nile, the sequel to Romancing the Stone, which is definitely not as good. He plays the Grundle King in My Little Pony, the movie. See our previous episode on My Little Pony, the movie.
00:34:11
Speaker
My Little Pony My Little Pony
00:34:17
Speaker
And then the year before this movie comes out, he directs his first feature, which is not made for TV because he had already directed the ratings game by that point in 84. But his first like theatrically released feature, Throw Mama from the Train. So he's already kind of like proven himself as a filmmaker at this point. And then this is his immediate follow up to that.
00:34:42
Speaker
And he is kind of one of the two leads and throw mama from the train, just like he's one of the two leads here. He's just alone on that one. No, that's Billy Crystal.
00:34:53
Speaker
You're thinking, you're thinking stop or my mom will shoot. There's so many mom movies with action stars back then, which is that one's written by the same guys who wrote the first draft of this movie. I can't believe it. Stop or my mom will shoot is the immediate. Is there a new follow up to this? Yeah, it's like a stalgetti in that. Yes. So I still own it. You know the story behind that one, right? Yeah.
00:35:19
Speaker
Like Arnold's like, I don't know. I'm thinking of taking this one. And Stallone's like, nevermind. I got it. And like basically like Schwarzenegger had read the script and like hated it. And it's like, this is a piece of shit, but I bet if I say I'll do it, then Sly will take it. And that's a hundred percent what happened. That's man. I'm pretty sure I've, you know what? I've never seen Sylvester Stallone be particularly funny in a silly or goofy kind of way.
00:35:47
Speaker
in a very grounded way, maybe. But I always thought that that was a missed opportunity that he picked such a shitty comedy to be in because I feel like he could probably do it with the right material. That man can do anything, dude. Expendables 4, be damned. That man can do anything.
00:36:05
Speaker
And then DeVito's career really starts to tick off. The next year after this, he does War of the Roses. In 92, he does Batman Returns. This is just the same year he does Hoffa, which he also directs. He keeps the voice of Whiskers the Cat in Last Action Heroes, see our previous episode. He starts showing up in a lot more stuff and actually starts getting leading man parts in a lot of this stuff as well.
00:36:31
Speaker
Batman Returns is a penguin movie. It's not a Batman movie. It's a penguin movie. Danny DeVito is the lead of that fucking movie. I don't care what anyone says. Danny DeVito is the lead of Batman Returns. And then, of course, Arnold would also go on to play his own Batman villain in 1997 in a movie that would kind of tank his career for a while.
00:36:55
Speaker
There's a line in this movie. I don't remember what it is, but it has something to do with ice or freezing. Yeah. And the veto says to Arnold Schwarzenegger, that's Mr. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, oh, no, you guys am I am I cool? He's like Mr. Rice. And I'm like, oh, no. No, don't tell him that penguin. No. No. Yeah. And of course, the great irony is that penguins are arctic birds and he's Mr. Freeze. So they're kind of.
00:37:23
Speaker
They would be pals in real life. Both the ice-based Batman villains, but that's all in their future at this point. But no, I think this movie really wonders for both of their careers because after this, Arnold then, he's getting offered comedy scripts. Two years after this comes out, he does Total Recall and Kindergarten Comp in the same year.
Post-'Twins' Careers
00:37:50
Speaker
Which is quite a pair. That's a double feature that I don't know if I'd ever take part in. Mm hmm. I like both those movies, but damn. Right. Ninety one. He's he's in a T2 Judgment Day. Ninety three is last action hero. Ninety four is true lies. I think he was saying that he would be back because of the Terminator. Mm hmm. Right. Yeah. No, he absolutely. Like if you blah, blah, blah, I'll be back.
00:38:20
Speaker
Look back then.
00:38:21
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Like nobody gave a shit about Easter eggs or fan service or anything. So I'm always very skeptical when something seems like a reference in older movies. You know what I mean? I'm like, is it or look, I don't know. I'll be back is such an iconic line delivery from such an iconic actor giving such an iconic performance that at no point in his career has Arnold ever said those three words back to back without it being a reference to that particular performance.
00:38:52
Speaker
Anytime someone puts that in a movie, they know exactly what they're doing. And if they don't, they're a fucking idiot. I'm just gonna say it. If you don't recognize that, you're an idiot. But no, I absolutely caught that. They do that in Last Action Hero too. Like he does, he doesn't, he gives and I'll be back in that movie also. Like it's just, again, it's such a perfect marriage of line and actor that it's always going to be a reference, always.
00:39:19
Speaker
I also like how he was kind of poking fun at Sylvester Stallone too. That was amazing. That's amazing. When again, I think that when that joke comes back around in Last Action Hero, that's really funny as well, because Stallone is the guy cast in all of Arnold's movies in the Jack Slater verse, which is just ridiculously funny. That's fantastic.
00:39:40
Speaker
And I feel like if the movie they worked together on hadn't been the movie that it was, like the movie they first worked together on hadn't been, well, I guess it's technically The Expendables.
00:39:56
Speaker
where you get like a scene with Willis and Schwarzenegger and Stallone all in the same room. Like that should have been the diner scene in Michael Mann's Heat, but for action movies. Yeah, I mean, because that's the fourth wall. Cut the bullshit, boys. Let's just talk.
00:40:15
Speaker
It's it's a time De Niro Pacino on screen together. It's an incredible scene in what is already an incredible movie. And it's because these two performers who've never been on screen together are literally sharing the screen together. And it's incredible. But then you get like, like that should have been what that scene was. But it's not. And that movie is mid at best. Yeah, I didn't mind the first two expendables. But after that, they kind of lost me.
00:40:45
Speaker
They never had me. Much like Paul Walker in the Fast and Furious franchise, they never had me. Steven, how rude. You haven't seen the first Fast and Furious movie, so that makes no sense. I haven't seen it since it came out on video and I had to watch it for my job at Hollywood Video.
00:41:06
Speaker
After their first race, Paul Walker jumps out of the car and says to Vin Diesel, I almost had you though. Or like, I had you though, I had you. And Diesel's like, had me? You never had me.
00:41:17
Speaker
and like starts picking apart all of his like racing performance stuff like Vin Diesel. But what a what a what a superstar. Love that. Go. Go watch. Find me guilty, everybody. Just go watch it. No big deal. And also. And then after you do that, watch the entire Fast and Furious franchise again, because that shit rocks. Fucking. Fucking.
00:41:40
Speaker
Um, but no, man, I, I fucking, this movie is really, really fun. Like, and I, again, I think so much of it is. I think so again, I'm not without my problems on this movie. I think this movie absolutely does have its issues. I think it's trying to do too much. I think it doesn't trust the strength of its initial premise. And again, when it comes to like high concept comedies, the eighties are like it.
00:42:09
Speaker
like snarky scientists beat ghosts great
Marketing and Reception of 'Twins'
00:42:13
Speaker
we'll we'll turn it into a comedy it'll make millions of dollars um kid from the 80s goes back to the 50s fantastic we'll make it a comedy it'll it'll become one of the biggest most profitable movies of of all time like
00:42:27
Speaker
We get these high-concept ideas, and this is a perfect example of that. All you need to know, the whole marketing campaign of this movie is the poster, and we've all seen the poster. It's an Annie Leibowitz photograph, which I find hilarious.
00:42:43
Speaker
But it's Arnold just standing there in a suit with sunglasses, hands in his pockets. And then you got DeVito in the exact same suit, exact same sunglasses, just leaning up against him. And the tagline, only their mother could tell them apart. Twins. That's it. That's all you needed in 1988 to sell this movie. Yeah, absolutely. And like we mentioned earlier, it fucking worked like gangbusters.
00:43:10
Speaker
Like, it's absolutely incredible how well it worked. I think it deserved. The acclaim that it got, I think, like I said, I'm not. I'm kind of what I've on this movie, but there are some things that are really great. I think I think the writing keeps it from being. A great film for me. Mm hmm.
00:43:36
Speaker
Is it because you think it's like a too many cook situation or? I don't know. It just seems like they're taking this high concept and they just kind of do what they have to do with it. Like it's serviceable. The writing is serviceable, but everything else in this movie is really great. Yeah.
00:44:00
Speaker
So to have just just a serviceable script with everything else firing on all cylinders, it just kind of sticks out. And I just it doesn't do it as much for me. Right.
00:44:12
Speaker
Yeah, I get that for sure. Because again, for me, the real heart of this movie is the Schwarzenegger DeVito relationship. And I think if that doesn't work, this movie fundamentally doesn't work. But both of them are just playing at the top of their game. Arnold playing the fish out of water, playing like the doofy, like he's a doofus.
00:44:38
Speaker
He's Brendan Fraser from Blast from the Past. Right. Like this hyper intelligent person who's basically been isolated his entire life. And here's the thing, because he's such a like inherently goofy, he's got like this thick Austrian accent. He plays fish out of water so well.
00:45:00
Speaker
Like so well like this entire movie could have just been a fish out of water comedy starring Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito and it would have killed It would have killed you didn't need those extra elements. You didn't you could have had them, but you didn't need them
00:45:17
Speaker
And I don't think this movie needs them now. Because I think that's the element of this movie everyone forgets. I had seen this movie when I was a kid. I think I remember watching it with my parents in a hotel room or something when I was a kid.
00:45:32
Speaker
Like I so I was like I didn't remember the whole like McGuffin in the trunk and the the like the stealing cars and the road trip thing. I didn't remember any of that. That was and that was kind of off putting when like he just decides fuck everybody. I'm going to just basically betray everybody and like get this money. And that was just such an off putting moment of the film. It doesn't last very long. It's like five minutes of the movie. And then, you know,
00:46:02
Speaker
Arnold saves him and he's back to being back on his redemption arc. But it just seemed like a waste of fucking time. Like who gives a shit? It didn't do anything for the character. We already knew he was a scumbag. We're happy with the momentum that he's on. We don't need this bump in the road. I think I don't think for me, narratively, that doesn't work.
00:46:19
Speaker
See, and I think it does because he's just found out like he is his entire life. He's been an orphan. Like he doesn't belong. There's nothing to his character like he is. And that's why he turned out to be a piece of shit. Right. Like because he doesn't have anybody. And then he finds out that he'd been lied to, that his mom was actually alive.
00:46:39
Speaker
And he had known that and just assumed that he'd been abandoned. But then he finds out that there's this twin brother, and that their mom might still be out there somewhere. They connect with one of their six dads, and they find out that he might still be out there somewhere. So they go to find her. So he has hope again. And you see that in the scene with him and Linda in the hotel room, and he's like, oh, I want to look good for my mom. And he's doing the push-ups and stuff. There's a vulnerability to him. And that's, I think, the moment where she falls in love with him.
00:47:08
Speaker
like really truly falls in love with him is because he's just being so sincere and like he has hope again for the first time in his life maybe he has hope and then to see all that get completely shattered to realize that his view of himself was probably right all along
00:47:25
Speaker
like he lashes out in a really destructive way. I think that's like character wise, I think that's perfect, like the perfect move for that character. And but then it also sets up like the final action set piece, the final tension of the movie, where, you know, and he can't save himself, he has to rely on his brother to save him. And then when he realized he could escape,
00:47:48
Speaker
he can't bring himself to do it because his brother's in danger. Like it cements their relationship and brings them together as family. Like I think it actually does really work. I just think it's not as like eloquently tied together as it could be. Steven, I think I figured out why I don't love this movie as much as I probably should. I just figured it out while you were talking.
00:48:13
Speaker
It's because today I watched the harder they fall and then immediately started to like at the end of the credits for that twins. Yeah. Cued and ready to go. Right. And surprisingly, some of the same themes are explored in both movies. Hmm.
00:48:31
Speaker
And the heart of they fall is just on a different fucking level. Like Ivan Reitman, he's a good director. I don't think he's ever really been a great director. He's had the opportunity to work with some great people and have some great scripts, but I don't think he's a, like a.
00:48:48
Speaker
He doesn't stand out to me as like, oh, Ivan Reitman's directing style. And wow, he really knocked out. But he always does a good job. He's not an auteur. He is definitely a journeyman. I will absolutely. And so to go from to go from that to twins, I think, because while you were saying all that, I was just thinking about the similar stuff and the harder they fall. I was just thinking about that. I was like, oh, that was a really cool moment. And I remember when that happened. Oh, shit, that was wild. Right. And so I kind of fucked myself. I really did. You really did.
00:49:18
Speaker
Congratulations, you played yourself. Damn it, well.
00:49:23
Speaker
I still see The Heart of They Fall, though. You guys, it's so good. It's on my list now. I didn't even know it existed until we recorded What Are We Watching, and I'm kind of digging. I can't wait to watch it. I want to watch it again. I might watch it again after I watch Brick. And then I'll watch the book of Clarence again, because these films, The Heart of They Fall, I guess we're doing what we're watching again. The Heart of They Fall and the book of Clarence, they're the kind of movies
00:49:50
Speaker
Also, again, like Joseph Kahn, where they def they beg for rewatches. Like, you got to watch it again. So I'm excited to watch both those movies again. Sorry, twins.
00:50:04
Speaker
Should we do the plot, Steven? Yeah, let's go ahead and do the plot. So the plot in 60 seconds, a part of the show where we at the behest of our good friend, the coin of justice, or if Brett is here, the D6 of destiny will decide to, it will choose for us who will recount the plot of this film in 60 seconds or less. I have the coin of justice here at the ready. Tucker, I will flip. You will call. Go ahead and call this. Tails.
00:50:34
Speaker
And it is Tails, you son of a bitch. All right, so let's, you go ahead and put 60 seconds on the clock and I will plot this some bit. I just cannot escape responsibility, man. No. 60 seconds, you say? I do. All right, ready when you are. Okay.
00:51:00
Speaker
Julius is a perfect specimen, probably from a Nazi science experiment, and realizes that he has a twin brother. And so in Six Dads, weirdly. So he goes to find his twin brother, who's Danny DeVito, who's a piece of shit. Danny DeVito has been imprisoned. And so he breaks him out of prison, helps him get out of prison. And eventually, DeVito steals a car. It's got a thing on the back. We don't know what it is.
00:51:25
Speaker
But he decides to go to Houston to get $5 million. Arnold comes along because along the way is like the lab where they were grown. And their girlfriends come with them too because what the hell. And they find out that Danny DeVito is the crap. Jules is the specimen. He's the perfection.
00:51:44
Speaker
Dan DeVito, they go to meet their mom. She they're told she's dead. Danny says, fuck it, goes to deliver the thing, get the money by himself. Arnie rescues him and their mom realizes that they were telling the truth about being her twin sons and comes to find them. And they reconcile the end. That's time. Good job, Steven. You did it. That was that was good. You you hit the the broad strokes, man. That's all we can ask in a minute. And Arnie has sex with 25 year old Kelly Preston, which. Yeah, well.
00:52:14
Speaker
Yeah, well, how old was he? He was in his 30s, like, so whatever. I mean, I'm just saying, like, she's fucking gorgeous in this movie. Like, she's so fucking pretty. Yeah, Arnie is born. What year is he born? Why is his?
00:52:30
Speaker
Nineteen sixty. No, nineteen fifty. Nineteen forty. Forty seven. Ha. OK. No, I didn't guess. No, you did not at all. Yeah, forty seven is really OK.
00:52:47
Speaker
in a row. Yeah. And she is born in 62. So like a good 15 year age difference between the two of them, which by Hollywood standards, weirdly not bad. But this is Kelly Preston's like first big role.
00:53:03
Speaker
Like she, of course, has done plenty of other things. We talked about her on our Cat of the Cat in the Hat episode. We will talk about her again on our Sky High episode and on our Battlefield Earth episode. Bruce Campbell's in Sky High. He is Kurt Russell. Yeah. When we're going to do Sky High, Steven, I want to do that. I haven't watched that since I watched it when it came out. If it were up to Brett, we'd have done it already. So let's fast track that motherfucker.
00:53:28
Speaker
We'll see where we got time. But yeah, like Kelly Preston, we fucking love her. Gone way too soon, died 2020 of cancer. Like seriously gone too soon. But this is one of her first
00:53:45
Speaker
big role, if not her first big role. She had done, of course, a lot of other things. We talked about her in our Christine episode also. She's using Christine very briefly. So she had done a lot of work before 88, but this is the one that kind of like catapulted her to prominence. And after that, she starts getting bigger roles, starts becoming more of a more of a name in things. Wasn't she on a show? What show is she on?
00:54:13
Speaker
What show was she on? She's a couple of episodes, a couple of episodes, 12 episodes of a show called For Love and Honor. She was on one of those 90s, like young adult shows. No 90s, young adult shows. No, she would have aged out of that. Well, who am I thinking of? I couldn't tell you. Somebody with a similar name. But she yeah, she I'm battlefield. She ends up marrying John Travolta.
00:54:38
Speaker
at some point who she was married to up to her up until the time of her death. But she's she works. She ends up working with a lot of tours. She's in Jerry McGuire with Cameron Crow, Citizen Ruth with Alexander Payne. She is in Sam Raimi's for the love of the game.
00:54:56
Speaker
Like John Frankenheimer in 52 Pickup, like she works with some very prominent filmmakers, some very prominent actors as well. We'll talk about her again in our death sentence episode because she worked on James Wan's death sentence. Wasn't that the the the remake of. Fucking with Charles Bronson. Yeah. But with Bruce Willis.
00:55:25
Speaker
No, Kevin Bacon, Kevin Bacon's in death sentence. The Eli Roth death wish is the one that was it Bruce Willis and one, two. Yes. Are either of those good? I never saw them. I've never saw either one either. I have more hope for death sentence than I do for Death Wish because I have more faith in James Wan than I do. Eli Roth is a filmmaker.
00:55:50
Speaker
But that's I've only ever seen one Eli Roth movie, though. So maybe I'm not the judge. Take take you want to guess as a hostel? No, fuck no. I don't do I don't do that horrible like really gory shit. Although the one movie I saw of his is actually fairly gory at points. The Green Inferno. Future episode of this podcast. The Green Inferno. I haven't seen that yet. Mm hmm. On Netflix.
00:56:18
Speaker
I might get it is it's pretty brutal. It is pretty brutal. The the there is one in particular scene where you just see a person dismembered. That is it sticks with you for sure. Yeah, no, it's it's pretty brutal. And but the ending 100 percent set up for a sequel that will 100 percent never happen. So that's our bread and butter. We also we also never said that we were we said we were never going to get a Thanksgiving movie.
00:56:48
Speaker
from Grindhouse. It's taken the longest of all the Grindhouse trailers that have turned into movies. I mean, we still have the longest. We still haven't seen Don't or werewolf women of the SS yet. So both of which I would be first in line to see. Don't I know. I still I want machete goes to space, man. Give me my trilogy. Come on. Right. Come on. Come on now. Give us machete in space. I love both of those movies.
00:57:15
Speaker
They're just right up my, like Robert Rodriguez, like he knows what I want and he just, just spoon feeds it to me and I love it. Yeah. I know you eat it right up. He, I think if he had directed an expendables movie, you'd be all in on expendables. Oh, I'd never thought of that. That would have been fantastic with that cast, especially the first one and the second one. Holy fuck.
00:57:43
Speaker
I want to live in that timeline. I'm about to jump timeline, Steven. See you later. I do. Hi, it's me, timeline B2key. That does seem like the kind of thing he would make, although Rodriguez Rodriguez is such an odd like specimen in terms of what he does make. Like his filmography is fucking wild.
00:58:07
Speaker
He does what he wants to do because he can, because he doesn't need a lot of money to do really rad stuff. And he does it. He basically does it all on his ranch. Like he's got a ranch that he makes like all his fucking movies on. He made a movie, Tucker, that's not going to come out until like 21 15.
00:58:30
Speaker
It's called it's called 100 years. He made it with John Malkovich. He made it in 2015. And it's not going to come out for 100 years after it was made. Yes, I heard about that. I was watching something, something with John Malkovich. And he was talking about that. That's fascinating.
00:58:46
Speaker
It's like boyhood to the max. Exactly. But my what concerns me is by the time it comes out, no one will care. That's the thing that concerns I'm never gonna see it. I know that for sure. And that sucks. Yeah, same. But like El Mariachi, Desperados from dusk till dawn, the faculty
00:59:07
Speaker
Spy Kids, Spy Kids 2. So then he becomes like a children's filmmaker, Spy Kids 3. Well, that's where the character Machete originates from the Spy Kids films. Oh, I know. That's their fucking uncle, dude. Oh, I know. And it's basically Danny Trejo playing the same character he plays in Desperado. Yeah. So I mean, Machete's been there all along. Right.
00:59:30
Speaker
And then he pivots back to Once Upon a Time in Mexico, closes out his Mexico trilogy. Hey, under like, under seen, really, I out of the three of that trilogy, I think that one is the best. I know that. Oh, dude, no way.
00:59:50
Speaker
I think it's the most entertaining. I think from a filmmaking standpoint, Desperado is the better made film. Once Upon a Time in Mexico is just so engaging and everybody, the performances, they're just hamming it up in this movie. This movie knows exactly what it is. And everybody's on the same page. It just
01:00:09
Speaker
Now see, I haven't seen it since it first came out on DVD, so I can't really speak to it. But in fairness, I don't think I've seen any of the the Mariachi trilogy since college, honestly. I think it's my favorite non Tim Burton Johnny Depp performance. Hmm. Interesting.
01:00:29
Speaker
He is unhinged in that movie. That's the movie where Johnny Depp asks Danny Trejo if he's a Mexican or a Mexican. Yes. That happens in that movie. It really does. Unhinged. So then after Once Upon a Time in Mexico, we get Sin City. We get The Adventures of Sharkboy and Lavagirl 3D. We get Grindhouse, specifically Planet Terror. We get his children's movie Shorts.
01:00:58
Speaker
We get Macchete, we get Spy Kids 4, Macchete Kills, Sin City of Dame to Kill For, and then some shorts, some TV shows, some things. Something called Hostage 911. What the fuck is this? I have never even heard of this. I need a new Robert Rodriguez movie, though. Give me some of that, Rodriguez.
01:01:23
Speaker
He wrote this one with his son, Racer, apparently. It's a horror movie. Based on the research hospital where Robert Rodriguez sold his body to pay for El Mariachi, it's also called, it's hostage 911 or Red 11. Red 11 is the shirt, color, and number he was assigned, apparently, while there. So I've never even heard of that movie. Then, past episode of this podcast, Alita Battle Angel.
01:01:52
Speaker
Um, something called We Can Be Heroes, which came out in 2020. I don't even know what this is. It looks, it's a Netflix kids movie is what that is. Oh cool. It's a superhero movie. Power comes in all sizes. Something tells me that Sharkboy and Lavagirl return for this one. I just have a feeling that that is true. Because he's never done a direct Sharkboy and Lavagirl sequel, but those characters have shown up in other stuff.
01:02:19
Speaker
The Spy Kids be showing up in his stuff, too. He's directed five Spy Kids movies, like because the last one came out last year, Spy Kids Armageddon came out last year. Did you know there was a Spy Kids movie that came out last year on Netflix? I did not know that, but the boy from Spy Kids, the male Spy Kid. Right. From our John Carter episode. He's in the Machete movies.
01:02:48
Speaker
He is also married to Meghan Trainor, as I mentioned on our John Carter episode. A thing that will never cease to just amaze me. That's wild. Yeah. Good for them. Yeah. Right? Yeah.
01:03:02
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But yeah, man, twins. So twins. Yeah, twins. We are Rodriguez directs twins. We always have that one fucking weird sidebar in every episode where we go off in this just insane tangent that has literally nothing to do with anything attached to this movie. Rodriguez, though.
01:03:21
Speaker
It was Tom Cruise last episode is Robert Rodriguez. Worth talking about. Worth discussion. No, man, we we do stand Robert Rodriguez. I would be cool if there was another one of his movies that we could cover on this on this podcast. The faculty holds up to that. You know what? I think we could probably cover the faculty. Oh, yeah, we could definitely. I love the faculty. That movie rules. Yeah, I like that's a perfect cast. Mm hmm. Cast.
01:03:53
Speaker
And you get Elijah, what is your final girl? Love that. Love that. I like the twist too, because even like if you if you don't know the twist, it really is. They really do a really good job of misdirecting you the whole film. Yeah. It really it's a good it's a good twist.
01:04:14
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What a twist. What a twist. It's a good fucking movie. Like it's it's part of that post-scream era. It's Kevin Williamson doing his shit. But with sci-fi movies like yeah, like a snatchers. Yes.
01:04:29
Speaker
And it just, it works so well. And it's Rodriguez just going full Rodriguez. And God, love that man. Really do. So stay tuned for a faculty episode sometime. We doing it. We doing it. It's going to happen. Is going to happen. Do we know when? Fuck no. But is it going to happen? Yup. Leave that to us. We'll figure it out. Maybe we do it for Spooky Thumb this year. Who knows?
01:04:56
Speaker
I don't. Who knows? I just put the schedule together, but I haven't put it together yet. That's all in the future. I could probably build off that. You've given me ideas. You're planting seeds now. Oh, dear Lord. There is one thing already locked into Spooky Thon, and then you've got another pick for Spooky Thon because there's five Thursdays in October this year. I get a straight up during Spooky Thon? You do.
01:05:20
Speaker
Oh, my. I think I've told you this before, but I don't you I don't I think you only half listen when I talk, honestly. And also, well, here's the thing, only about a third of what anyone says says sticks in my brain. It's ADHD. Like, you know, I've learned to, you know, sort of figure out what bits to keep.
01:05:43
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But on the bright side, every time you tell me, I'm very excited. That's true. I get to experience that joy multiple times. Yeah. How cool is that? That is pretty cool.
01:05:55
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I don't know what else we got to say about twins, man. This is a fun movie. Like I have a good time with it. I just, again, I don't think we need the thriller plot. I think it's unnecessary. I think it shows the lack of faith in the central premise of the film. Whereas I think we could use the fish out of water thing and really lean into that. I love Morrie Chaikin as the head of the Clayne brothers. I think he is
01:06:19
Speaker
fucking great. I am a big Maury Chaikin fan. Anytime that guy shows up in something, I'm like, Fuck yes, Maury Chaikin. Gone. Again, another one of those guys just gone too soon. Love that guy. He's fucking incredible.
01:06:34
Speaker
like died in 2010, but like he's the best part of like dances with wolves and like he's in Mouse Hunt, My Cousin Vinny. Like he's so fucking good in all of these movies. And then he's like Nero Wolf to like just God bless him. I love that guy. Maury Chaikin. What a legend. You get the great Tony J.
01:07:00
Speaker
as like Arnie's dad who raised him, one of the all-time great voice actors. I love that they, that's how they explain his accent. I thought that was really, it's simple, not like clever or anything, it just works. Here's something. This fucking works. It is kind of amazing that this movie in the year of our Lord, 1988,
01:07:28
Speaker
has a Germanic actor being made as a test tube baby in a lab 35 years previous by a group of scientists. Not all of them went to NASA, Steven. And we never once used the N word, by which I- Yes. By which I mean Nazi. Like we- Oh, I just said it, didn't I?
01:07:58
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Um, like we, we elude to it pretty hard, but we never actually like bring the thing up. And like, so that would be like 53. So like that's, you know.
01:08:16
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You know what they really shot themselves on the foot with for the sequel, and I was going to say this when we were talking about it, is if you're going to have triplets and the gimmick is that the other brother is a person of color or African-American, then where's the black father in that picture? You get a picture of all of them. They would have had to shoe hard and say, oh, they forgot to tell you about
01:08:42
Speaker
This guy. Mm hmm. But but again, if you're dealing with a group of Aryans, which presumably you are, because look at how Arnie turns out, like he's the perfect line. Yeah, he's got the blue contacts. He's got the blonde hair. Like he's going full Aryan in this movie. Yeah, it's hard to ignore.
01:09:03
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but we never talk about it. It's alluded to very strongly. And I think the one other scientist is like South American, maybe from Argentina, wink, wink, nudge, nudge. We never get full, it never gets confirmed, but it's just kind of like put out there and you draw your own conclusions, which, daring, honestly. A little bold.
01:09:30
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Well, I think I think it fits the tone in the film. Right. If you know, you know, and if you don't, don't worry about it. Right. Yeah, that's yeah, that's probably a good point. But, you know, we're talking about it here because we're the we're the people that talk about that shit. We're the guys who talk about movies and stuff. That's it. That's what we do. So, yeah, I'm kind of kind of amazed by by that and the fact that that isn't a more. A prominent point, I guess, but, you know, given your point, I guess that doesn't make sense.
01:10:00
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I mean, I would rather have more thriller stuff than Nazi stuff, so it shook out in the end. Yeah, fair enough.
01:10:11
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Gangsters good Nazis bad. Wait, is this what we're saying? Yes, maybe I don't know That's what I like about the rocketeer is even the bad guys are like nah fuck some Nazis Paul Sorvino in that movie going look Yeah, I may be a lot of things but I'm still an American like I know goddamn Nazi Fucking a Paul Sorvino now. I want to watch the rocketeer. Yeah, dude. Yes rocketeer brick double feature rocketeer like a motherfucker
01:10:41
Speaker
Love the rocket. He goes to go to our previous episode on the rocket. Here are Timothy Dalton. I keep forgetting that he died, though, because it happened so recently. So every time I think of Alan Arkin, like the second after I think about him, I'm like, oh, she died. Timothy, I love him. Fucking good in that movie. You know, Timothy Dalton, I'm reading this biography on Jim Varney.
01:11:05
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Mm hmm. And Timothy Dalton, when Jim Varney saw Timothy Dalton on in whatever movie he was in early in his career, it made him confident in his looks because he always thought that he was too ugly to be like an actor and on in films or TV. Then he saw Timothy Dalton. He was like, I kind of have a similar look to that guy. So maybe I'm not straight up ugly. So Timothy Dalton, like indirect that will directly
01:11:32
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solved some body issue, some body issues that, uh, that Jim Varney had, which is an interesting fact. Has nothing to do with twins. Anyone's who's ever seen, I mean, speaking of twins, anyone who's ever seen Ernest goes to jail knows that Jim, Jim Varney can play a sexy motherfucker when he wants to. Dude, dude. Yeah. Oh, hold on.
01:12:00
Speaker
We're holding up. I'll talk to grabs and look at this man. Well, he look at this man. What is what is the importance of being earnest? Fuck, what a great title. I'm getting hot flashes. Just look for the for a Jim Barty biography. First of all, that's great. But no, like he seriously, a very attractive dude. Yeah. He didn't have some work done on his nose in his 20s.
01:12:26
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I mean, I think the thing that hurt his looks most, in terms of classically handsome, was probably all the smoking.
01:12:34
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but like it gave him the wide angle lens that they you don't shoot earnest without a wide angle lens you don't know because it's not earnest but that brings out all like the that brings to light all the cracks and crevices in his face that come out through like the years of smoking but it does give his face such a rich depth of character that you just don't get for most actors like it's pretty incredible
01:12:58
Speaker
Do you think we're the only podcast for like every couple of episodes? I kind of make us talk about Jim Varney for a bit. I have a feeling I have a feeling you're prepping for the the the straight up at the end of September or at the end of August. I know you're there's homework for that one and I hate to do it
Reflecting on 'Twins' and Unnecessary Sequels
01:13:19
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to you guys. But again, it's just it's all out of love. There's homework for that one. No, fuck that.
01:13:27
Speaker
But yeah, twins like fun movie, right? It's just like not not a great film, not like a canonically excellent film. This is a movie that I would enjoy just catching on cable on like a Sunday afternoon. I'd have a great time with it.
01:13:42
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So after this, like literally two years after this, Arnold does Kindergarten Cop, which weirdly does get a sequel with Dolph Lundgren. But it's one of those, like, there's a whole division in Universal now that just takes old properties and makes shit sequels to them that aren't even canon or it doesn't. It's like Undercover Brother 2. It doesn't fucking count. Those still count. For our purposes, those count. Yeah, like technically, yes, they do. But like,
01:14:10
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I don't fucking they don't exist. It's why we can't cover kindergarten cop or undercover brother on the main. You know, the latter makes me very angry. It makes I just want to I mean, because Pootie, we talked about Pootie Tang undercover brother is the other side of that coin. It's like, yeah, we'll find a way and I'm not going to use a straight up on it, but we'll we'll figure something out.
01:14:34
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I had an idea earlier that I wanted to float by both of you guys when I get you together, but yeah, we can worry about that later. Does it involve Undercover Brother?
01:14:44
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Potentially it does now Honestly potentially it it potentially does But again, I'll talk to I'll talk to you about it later. Um, I Don't remember what I was saying. I'm talking about how twins. Oh, yeah he does so he does kindergarten cop two years later and then four years after that he reteams with both right men because right man does kindergarten cop he reteams with Reitman and DeVito and
01:15:12
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for a little movie called Junior. That movie gets offered to Osborne and Weingold. I keep fucking up this guy's name and I'm sorry.
01:15:27
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It is Wine Grodd, sorry. That one gets offered to Osbourne and Wine Grodd and they're both like, fuck no, not touching that. They're like, look, here's the thing. Men are going to hate it because the idea of an impregnated Arnold Schwarzenegger is going to feel emasculating to them. So they're not going to like it.
01:15:49
Speaker
And then on the other hand, women are going to hate it because it's like belittling what they have to go through for pregnancy. And so basically you've got a really shitty movie that no one's going to like. And then Junior comes out and does no box office whatsoever. Like that thing fucking bums. And yeah, we they were right. Like it doesn't fucking work, like.
01:16:18
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They, but again, Reitman doesn't necessarily strike me as the kind of guy who's really going to be like super sensitive to stuff like that. So I think that like that movie only makes 36 million dollars domestic worldwide, 100 million. So it does less than half of what this movie does.
01:16:39
Speaker
um and gets just basically lambasted at the box office by the third weekend of the Santa Claus. Is it any good though? Have you seen Junior? I have not and here's the thing I don't want to. I will see Junior when I do my my like either my Arnie Reitman trilogy watch through or my full-on I'm watching all the Ivan Reitman movies watch through.
01:17:04
Speaker
But other than that, I do not feel the need to engage with you. I kind of after seeing this one, I kind of am curious just to see what it's like. But yeah, no, I mean, I get it. But by the same token, I'm like, maybe not. But no, I love Arnold. I love Danny. I like them together like this movie.
01:17:27
Speaker
gives me the indication. What I liked about the script that Osborn and Weingrad put together was that it flipped the script on the two characters. DeVito was the one who's really health conscious and put together and doing really well with his life. And then Julius is the one who's been divorced four times and he's an alcoholic. And then they find out they have a third brother who's in jail, but then
01:17:55
Speaker
So he's got like that Danny DeVito from the first movie, Energy, but then they go to meet him and he's read every book in the library and is like the smartest guy in the room.
01:18:04
Speaker
And so he's got that that bit of jewels there as well So he's kind of the best of both and he's the guy that they meet in the middle And I like that premise. That's not the premise then basically Osborne and wide grad submit that script and Reitman and universe are like, okay cool Thanks, and they're like, I'm pretty sure no one read it We'll call you Yeah, exactly. We'll call you we'll call you
01:18:28
Speaker
Don't call us, child. We'll call you. We'll call you. And that's kind of the story on twins. It's huge. It's a big movie. But like so many movies like this, they don't capitalize on it early enough. And as a result, we never get the follow-ups for it that feel inevitable.
01:18:51
Speaker
And that's timing because this should have gotten the sequel and and almost got a legacy equal. And I feel like this is the kind of movie that I'm like, we're giving this a legacy equal, really. But like. People, who would you reboot this with, Stephen? Who would be your to your two mains in a reboot of this? I read something on IMDB trivia and I can't get it out of my head. But apparently Jason Momoa said he wanted to remake this with Peter Dinklage.
01:19:23
Speaker
Now, actually, like at first I was like, no, but like the more I think about that. Mm hmm. Fucking speaking of Peter Dinklage in Find Me Guilty. Go watch Find Me Guilty, everybody. Also Death at a Funeral. He's also in the what's that movie with Steve Buscemi about the it was in the 90s and it was about they're making a movie, an indie movie and.
01:19:48
Speaker
I don't know what that was called. You're going to make me look this shit up. It's so it's not even worth it. But now, fuck like it's called it is like super like the most indie movie ever made.
01:20:03
Speaker
You said it was a shimmy. You said it was 90s. I got Steve Buscemi's IMDB page pulled up. The problem with Steve Buscemi is he's an actor that's only been in like one or two movies. Like he doesn't have a very deep IMDB page, so this shouldn't be hard to find at all. That's why you do Peter Dinklage instead, because he's been in a few less dingy. Yeah, but I don't fucking know what. Especially in the 90s.
01:20:26
Speaker
That's all right. I got, I got this. Don't you worry about it, man. I got it. Just, uh, Jimmy living in oblivion, limited oblivion. That's the one. That's the one. Okay. You see that Steven go watch it. No, of course I haven't. Okay. It's kind of the perfect living in oblivion. It's the most nineties indie film that exists. Catherine Keener though. And it's about making indie films in the nineties.
01:20:55
Speaker
I mean, it just embodies that whole era of filmmaking. And it's really, really good. Who do you love, Stephen? I can't believe it. Yeah, she's great. Yeah. You should put it on your list. You don't have to bump it up or anything. Just kind of casually throw it on your list. I'll throw it on the watch list for sure. It's on crackle right now. So if you got crackle. Yeah, crackle away. Crackle it up.
01:21:21
Speaker
It's also on Peacock, Freebie, and Plex, and Tubi. So there you go. You got options. Check it out, everybody. Living in oblivion. Yeah, I think we've pretty much exhausted this. So hey, twins, comes out.
01:21:40
Speaker
On December 9th in the year of our Lord, 1988, it opens number one in the box office to $11.2 million on its way to a domestic gross of $111.9 million.
01:21:57
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dollars. So like it gets 10% of its total gross on the opening weekend, it earns another 104.6 internationally, and ends up at 216.6 worldwide answers like the budget budget is 15 million.
01:22:17
Speaker
They fucked. That's great. That's a lot of money, Steven. So like with marketing, right? So like we said, I think it was like another 16 to 18 with market. So like, yeah, this movie is a fucking hit. Inflated worldwide box office is close to 300 million.
01:22:35
Speaker
Like that's the adjusted box office for this movie. So it makes just a fucking truckload of money. Again, Arnold and Danny said it was the biggest payday either of them ever had in their entire careers. I believe it. The best decision they said that they had ever made. Like what a fucking incredible move. Yeah, absolutely. In second place, this is a good week at the movies, too. Can I just tell you?
01:23:01
Speaker
Yes, please. A very good week at the movies. This is my favorite part of the podcast. In second place, a comedy film based on a TV show starring one of the all time great parodies of the 90s, The Naked Gun, colon from the files of Police Squad in its second weekend at number two.
01:23:22
Speaker
Cool. In third place, one of Reitman's guys in another movie directed by another dude. It's December 9th. That's right. It's Scrooged with Bill Murray in its third weekend. It's grossed four point six million out of the so far 36 million. It had grossed so far in four. What a cast. Right. Wowzers. Right.
01:23:47
Speaker
In fourth place, Tequila Sunrise, the Michelle Pfeiffer Mill Gibson Kurt Russell movie.
Discussion on 'Oliver and Company'
01:23:54
Speaker
You know who else is in that? No, my boy, Raul Julia. You know who else is in that?
01:24:00
Speaker
I know. Your boy JT Walsh. I love JT Walsh. I know you do. Right? I want to start a JT Walsh fan club, but I don't know. I think I want to join. I think I need to watch Tequila Sunrise is what I'm hearing based based only on that cast and nothing else. Yes, I'm sold.
01:24:21
Speaker
In fifth place, the Disney movie from 1988, literally right before the Disney Renaissance kicks off the next year, Oliver and company. Oh, I have that on Blu-ray. That's one of my favorite. I think that's probably my second favorite. Right after Robin Hood, my second favorite fully animated Disney film. Man, Billy Joel up in that mother, all of the city. Oh, once you get it down, then you can run this town. Yeah, man.
01:24:52
Speaker
Oh, there's so many good songs that you got. Cheech is up in there. Yeah, man. Oh, fantastic. Bette Middler. Yeah. What a fantastic fucking gas. Dom De La Wiese and Robert Ma fucking Loja. I know. Yes, please.
01:25:09
Speaker
I know. Whatever, whatever someone whenever I need to get somewhere and someone is in between me in that space, I always turn in to one of the villain Dobermans and say, Get out of my way. Who is Joey Lawrence was the cat? Oh, yeah, right. Yeah.
01:25:28
Speaker
Roscoe Lee Brown. Roscoe Lee Brown, Richard Mulligan, Cheryl Lee Ralph. Yeah, dude. Like Carl Weintraub in that movie, Frank motherfucking Welker, because of course he is. It was the perfect movie to end that era of Disney because I loved all of those underappreciated
01:25:51
Speaker
late 80s Disney movies. I like the Renaissance stuff too. But those underappreciated ones, those weird ones they were doing in the 80s, I was really into those. And this one was the cream of the crop.
01:26:02
Speaker
It's the end of the Dark Ages for Disney. You know who wrote on that movie? This is wild. I did not even know that this is true. James Mangold wrote on that movie. Yeah, dude. The guy who gave us Logan and Walk the Line and Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny wrote on Oliver and Company. But yeah, then you bring in Ashman and like bring in that classic Disney princess shit and like it's all over. Like the Renaissance is off to the races again.
01:26:31
Speaker
I'd love the backgrounds in this film because they look like a little, they're not perfect. They're painted kind of haphazardly to give it even more of like a kind of a gritty and chaotic look. I just love everything about that movie, dude. I mean, it's like 80s New York, man. We're trying to capture 80s New York.
01:27:00
Speaker
So yeah, man. So good. In number, rounding out the top 10, in number six, we've got Don Bluth's The Land Before Time.
01:27:09
Speaker
There's 14 of those, Steven. I'm aware. I am very well aware. We will never we will never be able to do an unenfranchised because they will never stop making. No, that's true. And I'm not going to watch 14 Land Before Times either, so fuck off.
The 'Land Before Time' Franchise
01:27:24
Speaker
In seventh place, another movie written by Osborne and Weingrad or no, Harrison Weingrad. Sorry, I've been saying Osborne this whole time. Harrison Weingrad. Sorry. Oops. My stepmother, the alien.
01:27:39
Speaker
Or my stepmother is an alien. Is an alien. Yes, my stepmother is an alien. In eighth place, Tucker, not to bring it back to your boy Jim Varney, but in eighth place is Ernest saves Christmas Christmas down from sixth place the week before in its fifth week. It has gross so far. Twenty three point six million dollars. That's part of the that's part of the holy trilogy there. Mm hmm.
01:28:06
Speaker
In ninth place, a horror classic coming out in its fifth week down from seven the week before starring our boy Brad Durev, whose name you couldn't pull earlier, Child's Play. Yeah. The OG.
01:28:24
Speaker
Um, and then you get, uh, in 10th place, cocoon, the return. Um, I didn't see that one. I liked the original one. Nor I did not see that one either. But you know, what's in 11th place, Tucker Holden steady at 11th after 25 weeks in theaters, one of the biggest movies of 1988, our pre see our previous episode on it framed Roger rabbit.
01:28:48
Speaker
Yeah, dude, people are going nuts over that movie when it came out. I remember fucking insane. I saw that motherfucker at the movie theater. I did not, but my parents also thought Jessica Rabbit was too sexy for me. She was too sexy for you, Steven. She's still too. They made a good decision. Right.
01:29:07
Speaker
And honestly, the Christopher Lloyd is Judge Doom would have scared the hell out of me. Yeah, that was traumatizing as a child. I did eventually see it on VHS or I think we recorded it off of like one of those free Disney Channel weekends, but it is it remains a favorite of mine for sure.
01:29:23
Speaker
Um, but yeah, that is the box office. The Tomatometer score on this movie is a 42%. Really? Rude! Though it offers a few modest pleasures for undemanding viewers, Twins leans too heavily on the wackiness of its premise, disagree, to overcome its narrative shortcomings.
01:29:45
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know that I agree with that leans too heavily on the wackiness of its premise could have leaned more I will tell you one of my favorite things about this movie and it made me smile every time if not laugh out loud were when Arnold and Danny would just do the same things at the same time. Oh, yeah, like they pick at their ear and
01:30:05
Speaker
Mm hmm. Or when they sit down at the dinner table and they like move their glass to the other side and rotate their food and because they're psychically connected in this. There's a supernatural subplot where like he's at one point Danny DeVito is even like talking to him. Mm hmm. Like when he turns around to save him, when he's already escaped, but then he turns around, he's like directly speaking to him psychically. Right, right.
01:30:33
Speaker
They're able to like glean information about each other, like locations and dollar amounts and shit. Yeah. We don't, we never explained it. Nope.
01:30:42
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But fuck it, in this movie it works. I mean, when it was happening, I was like, that's kind of weird, but also, I don't really care. I'm still having a good time. Like, whatever. Right. The meta score on this one is a 50 on the nugget. Mixed or average reviews based on 14 critics. And the letterbox score for this movie, my computer is running really slowly right now for some reason. I hate it. Thank you.
01:31:08
Speaker
Probably need to upgrade my system. I've had this computer for almost a decade. The letterbox score is a 3.0. I should have let you guess. I'm sorry, Tucker. Yeah. I forgot that was the thing we're doing because we haven't done it in like three weeks. So I'm sorry. That's all right. That's okay. Next time. There's always next time, Steven. Next time, baby. So out of five stars, Tucker, how do you rate
01:31:34
Speaker
1988 twins twins gets a three out of five for me. You know, because is it also a three out of five for you? It is. Because this movie, like just as a film is pretty mid, but you can't deny that cast, especially the chemistry between the two leads. You can't deny it. I like
Enjoyment Despite Mediocrity
01:31:58
Speaker
Like I said, I don't really care too much for this film, but I had a blast watching it. Same. Like just hanging out with those guys for two hours, like signing the fuck up. Yeah, I had so much fun watching the two of them work off of each other. And I wish they had more opportunities to do so. Apparently, they both do voices on the show Little Demon.
01:32:17
Speaker
Oh, that's Danny DeVito's Daughters. Yeah. So I watched that. Is that coming back? Is that getting? Can I can I have a second season, please? That I don't know. Let me look that up. And they, of course. It was good. I was just going to say it was good. No, a little more crude than I like, but it sure. It's OK, because like it works.
01:32:40
Speaker
They apparently they also were at the Oscars this year together as well. Oh, yeah. And they gave an award and someone someone got the award and just like got up and just like gushed about twins for like for like 10 seconds and how thrilled she was that DeVito and Schwarzenegger were the ones giving her her Oscar. I think it was like at a date or something like it was one of those. Michael Shannon's on this show. Fuck.
01:33:08
Speaker
Yeah, dude. LaMourn Morris. I love that guy. Yeah, it's really I think it's on Hulu. It is. It's really fun. Where's where's Arnold? Mark Ruffalo, Dave Bautista. It's it's the kind of kind Sam Richardson, Raya Perlman, Patrick Wilson. There he is. Arnold Schwarzenegger plays a game show host also on this show. Fucking Mel Brooks. Yeah, dude.
01:33:36
Speaker
It's look it's the kind of show that would not be possible without Rick and Morty. So it kind of leans heavily into that kind of humor, which I kind of
01:33:49
Speaker
fell out of love with because of Rick and Morty. But this show is it's really well written. The voice cast is fantastic. I love the the concept is really fun. The way they play it, the characters are all really unique and fun. And I recommend it to anybody who likes stuff that's funny and anybody that's in that cast.
01:34:10
Speaker
The animation style actually looks fairly good compared to some of the stuff that I've seen as well. There was one show I started watching that I was like, this might be good. And I couldn't get past the first episode because the animation style was so terrible. It was like a flash animation bullshit. And I was like, I can't do this. This is so bad. But no, the animation on this actually looks really legit. And no, I will absolutely check this out.
01:34:37
Speaker
It's easy too. It's a lunchtime show and you can finish it in like a week. A week of lunches. You could finish that show. A week of lunch. Well, my lunch break is an hour long, so that's actually entirely possible. Nice.
01:34:51
Speaker
So yeah, that, friends, is our episode on 1988's Twins. We are halfway through now with Arnie April to Austrian Boogaloo. And that's exciting. We got actually some really fun episodes coming up. I think we're going to have a guest next week if he remembers that we're doing it.
01:35:13
Speaker
Well, you have a guest scheduled. I do. I have one on the schedule. He's not been on the show for a while. Returning guest has not been on for a while. I'm excited to have him back. He's actually never been on with either of the co-hosts. So this will be fun.
01:35:28
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If that doesn't exciting stuff coming up, Steve, that doesn't give you enough information. And then we're covering perhaps Arnie's biggest franchise. So I think it's the one I haven't seen. So that's good. I'll find it like complete. I don't know if it is or if it isn't, but I will. Well, I guess we'll find out when we when we discuss that in a couple of weeks, but we don't find out that is.
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It could happen for you this year, too. We didn't do any last year, so we're kind of making up for lost time. But yeah, if there's one you want us to see, let us know. Plus, we read Listener Mail. So we'll read that on the podcast here as well. And look, guys, if you've done all those things and you're like, I want to know of other ways I can support you because I love what you do, first of all, thank you so much.
01:37:03
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And we have just such an opportunity. If you go to patreon.com slash disenfranch pod for five bucks a month, you get access to an entire catalog of of like content that has never been put on the main feed ever. We mentioned on well, I don't actually know you weren't privy to that. We've I've got a show that I run called Upsal Christianity Corner.
01:37:26
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Brett's got a show that he runs called Oops All Video Game Corner, where we talk video games. We've got a weekly show that comes out called What Are We Watching, where we talk about all the media that we've been consuming in the previous week or week since the last time we've been on. Brett actually, he's not made a main feed appearance, but he absolutely made a paywall appearance last week. That's true. If you're not a patron, you've missed out on Brett. Patrons have heard more of Brett than you have lately.
01:37:54
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So bread is not gone, nor is he forgotten. He's just keeping it behind the paywall for right now.
01:38:00
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Um, we've also got, uh, shows like dis and five tries where we do top five lists or unenfranchised where we talk about movies that killed off your favorite franchises. Um, and we've, we've even done a couple of commentary tracks, all of that, plus other stuff that I'm probably forgetting. Also, if I may interject also, if you, you can subscribe to our Patreon on the free tier.
01:38:25
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And that gives you access to the official comment section of the podcast. Like that's the one that we're going to be responding to people on because I don't know how it works on any of those platforms, except for YouTube. So.
01:38:43
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patreon.com slash disenfranch pod, the official conversation. They tell us, they tell people not to read the comments. We're actually reading those comments and responding to them in kind. Pretty quickly usually. Either through official channels like when I log into the disenfranch pod, you know, Patreon or unofficial channels when Tucker just like sees that it pops up and goes and responds under his own account. So either way, you're gonna hear from either me or him.
01:39:12
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Or maybe both. You don't know. Who knows? Who knows what happens? It could happen to you.
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You can also find us on social media. We're on Instagram, Letterboxd, Facebook, and Blue Sky at Disinfranch Pod Eye. Hey, me. I'm your host, Stephen Foxworthy. You can find me on Instagram, Letterboxd or Blue Sky at Chewy Walrus. Brett Wright, who is not here, but hopefully will be back very soon. He is on Instagram, Letterboxd and Blue Sky at
01:39:43
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sus underscore warlock just sus warlock on blue sky because they don't like underscores Tucker, what about you? You can find me on YouTube as always, and Instagram at ice dino nine that's I C E n i n e the number zero and the number nine. Also on Instagram is tuck mugs that's tuck underscore mugs of we kind of
01:40:11
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We're kind of chilling out on Tuckmugs. We had a lot of content there for a minute and I think we need to take a breath and I think I need to put up a mug of my own. It's been a while. We've just had so many guest mugs and that's a great problem to have.
01:40:31
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please let that continue to be the issue is that we have so many guest mugs. Because that's kind of what the goal of Tuck Mugs has turned into like more of making a community to share stuff with each other as opposed to just looking at my mugs. Correct. And that's kind of what it's been. We've had some great guest mugs lately and I'm sure more to come. I might post
01:40:58
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one of my many glasses of beer that I photographed on my vacation. I told you to man, I was like, that's going on Tuckmugs, dude. I have like so many though. I've got like six. Do a batch post and then just do kind of an overall story. Okay, I can do that for sure. Yeah, that would be rad. Yeah. But yeah, so yeah, lots of fun stuff on Tuckmugs. And that's the second shortest Tuckmugs plug outside of last week, Steven.
01:41:25
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Well, no, actually, the shortest one ever was the one where I messaged you that I had to go to the bathroom and you just you were done. Oh, yeah. No, I said all the things I wanted to say, but I was the micromachines guy when I did it. I thought about that afterwards. I'm like, no, that was probably actually the shortest, but.
01:41:45
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But yeah, no, we love it. It's great. Tuck mugs is a friend to all. Um, but yeah, that that does it for this week. We're halfway through Arnie April to Austrian boogaloo join us next week for what promises to be a really fun episode. At least that's how I'm choosing to remember it. Until next time I am your host Stephen Foxworthy from my co host Tucker and my absent co host Brett right until
01:42:15
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Next time, wait, are you saying that I'm the crap?