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Is There An Arts & Crafts Revival? Season 2, Episode 33.

S2 E33 · The American Craftsman Podcast
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Are we in the midst of an Arts & Crafts revival? Tune in and find out. We also give a shop update.


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Introduction to Arts and Crafts Legacy

00:00:22
Speaker
Welcome back folks. We're here with the final installment of the arts and crafts period of furniture. Yeah. Probably a slightly brief brief episode. Yeah. We can probably talk about a little bit of it cause we're going to talk about the legacy of the arts and crafts movement. Um, but yeah, we've been at it.
00:00:43
Speaker
Yeah, slaving away here. Takes it out of you.

Sponsor Acknowledgement

00:00:48
Speaker
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00:01:12
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William Morris's Philosophy: Useful and Beautiful

00:01:42
Speaker
So we'll get into it here. We're talking about the legacy of the arts and crafts movement. Yeah. I'll start with a couple of quotes from the founding father of the movement, William Morris. Uh, and although these are pretty nice quotes, we, as we went deeper into the history of things like with the shakers and everybody doesn't come out as gleaming as they go in. Yeah.
00:02:11
Speaker
I mean, there's a couple of people like Chippendale that came out like way higher in our estimation. And I mean, I don't know if it's possible to be even higher, but the Green brothers. Yeah. I mean, we did take a look at it and we've got probably a better appreciation for the execution of the Hall brothers who built a lot of that stuff.
00:02:40
Speaker
But Morris, father of the English arts and crafts movement, he says it's the second tier one. Yeah. If you want a golden rule that will fit everything, this is it. Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful or believed to be beautiful.
00:03:00
Speaker
Sounds like you ripped that right out of a shaker. I know pamphlet. And this one, I do not want art for a few any more than I want education for a few or freedom for a few.
00:03:14
Speaker
So that was that sort of egalitarian approach, the social reform that went along with the, what would you call the manufacturing reform and the design reform? Industrialization. Yeah. Yeah. William Morris kind of sounds like a, like he was like a do as I say, not as I do kind of guy.
00:03:38
Speaker
Yeah, I thought you were going to say politician. Yeah, that too. That's what I was envisaging in my mind. We've been around each other enough to kind of know what the other one's thinking. And I thought that's what you were going to say. He's a lot of talk.

Critique of Industrial Revolution: Medieval Inspirations

00:04:03
Speaker
So the founders of the arts and craft movement were some of the first major critics of the industrial revolution.
00:04:11
Speaker
Did you know that? Disenchanted with the impersonal mechanized direction of society in the 19th century, they sought to return to a simpler, more fulfilling way of living. Like the medieval times. And we're not talking about the medieval times where you buy a big turkey leg. And wear a funny hat. Talk about the one where there's rats running around.
00:04:41
Speaker
King might just send his, his counselors to come kill you. Right. You have to pay all of your money, you know, your, your wages and taxes or the, the, the wheat that you've grown, that sort of thing. Yeah. And you got like Robin hood to come save your ass. Yeah.
00:05:01
Speaker
Um, well, the movement is admired for its use of high quality materials and for its emphasis on utility in design. Uh, again, a rebuke of the Victorian, uh, fluffiness and like that frilly Morris chair. Yeah. It's emphasis on, um, you know, facades and things like that.
00:05:25
Speaker
The arts and crafts emerged in the United Kingdom around 1860 at roughly the same time as the closely related aesthetic movement. But the spread of the arts and crafts across to the Atlantic, across the Atlantic to the United States in the 1890s enabled it to last longer, at least into the 1920s. That's kind of how we're familiar with it. Yeah.
00:05:51
Speaker
Although the movement did not adopt its common name until 1887, in these two countries, the arts and crafts existed in many variations and inspired similar contemporaneous groups of artists and reformers in Europe and North America, including Art Nouveau,
00:06:09
Speaker
the Weiner Werkstadt, the Prairie School and others. We know the Prairie School from Frank Lloyd Wright. I'm not sure who the the Weiner Werkstadt is. It's obviously German. The faith in the ability of art to reshape society exerted a powerful influence on its many successor movements in all branches of the arts.
00:06:40
Speaker
So it's an interesting thought to think that art can shape society. Um, yeah, not vice versa. Right. Especially, I mean, nowadays we have such strong, um,
00:06:59
Speaker
What's the media, like the types of media we have, every person, we're doing a podcast, there's Instagram, there's all these ways that you can put your ideas out. Social media, you're talking about social media? Yeah, social media, but just the mediums that we have at our disposal are so much. Everyone's got a soapbox. Right, and broader reaching and more powerful. Back in those days,
00:07:28
Speaker
the idea of trying to create a movement like that. It's pretty daunting. Yeah. Well, let's see what some of the key ideas and accomplishments of the arts and crafts movement were.

British vs American Industrial Attitudes

00:07:44
Speaker
The arts and crafts movement existed under its specific name in the United Kingdom and the United States. And these two strands are often distinguished from each other by their respective attitudes towards industrialization, where in Britain, arts and crafts artists and designers tended to be either negative or ambivalent towards the role of the machine in the creative process. Americans tended to embrace machinery more readily. And I think we sort of got that point.
00:08:15
Speaker
The practitioners of the movement strongly believed that the connection forged between the artist and his work through handcraft was the key to producing both human fulfillment and beautiful items that would be useful on an everyday basis.
00:08:32
Speaker
As a result, arts and crafts artists are largely associated with the vast range of the decorative arts and the architecture as opposed to the high arts of painting and sculpture. So again, there's this belief that you're going to lead a more fulfilling life by engaging in handcraft. Yeah.
00:09:00
Speaker
I mean, I agree. Yeah. Yeah. As long as you're not toiling away. Sure. Where it's, you know, you're just substituting and toiling away with a hand plane and the way, you know, pushing a button. Right. The arts and crafts aesthetic varied greatly depending on the media and location involved, but it was influenced most prominently
00:09:26
Speaker
by both the imagery of nature and the forms of medieval art, particularly the Gothic style, which enjoyed a revival in Europe and North America during the mid-19th century. Yeah, thanks to our boy, Augustus Pujine. It has a name we may not forget. Was it Augustus? Augustus, yeah.

Was the Arts and Crafts Movement Anti-Industrial?

00:09:53
Speaker
So linked with the arts and crafts movement was this anti-industrialization movement. And some people have asserted that the arts and crafts movement was anti-industrial and utopian.
00:10:11
Speaker
Um, and I guess depending on what country you were in, it could seem so. I mean, Ruskin and, and Morris and those guys, they, I think that's really was their, their core focus. Um, they had some communes, I think in England, right? Yeah. Yeah. And almost sounds
00:10:34
Speaker
a little bit, um, dystopian instead of utopian, like work will set you free comes to mind and you know, sort of like some of the, the communist, uh, slogan hearing about work and all this stuff, me making you happy. Um, the lines start to blur. Yeah.
00:10:59
Speaker
In retrospect, the people that asserted that arts and crafts were anti-industrial were partly right. Here's the missing part. The movement was not anti-machine or anti-industrial production per se. It just felt that the system should serve man better. And I have to agree with that.
00:11:23
Speaker
It should underpin the work of an artist or designer who both understood and mastered the entire production process alone. Again, it's that separation, the division of labor, which really led to the downfall of craftsmanship and being able to pass those skills along.
00:11:51
Speaker
Let's see, where are we? It ties in well with the fact that Morris was fine about a printing press producing his wallpapers, for instance. He's a flip flop. He's a waffler. Morris is a waffler. One of the intentions of subverting the capitalistic value chain was to offer something of democratic merit.
00:12:18
Speaker
Yet one of the great paradoxes of the movement was that it achieved quite the opposite. We went over this for sure. The artists took so much pride in the manual craft and quality materials. That was only the well-heeled customers who could afford the art and design. Right. Hence the need for machines.
00:12:38
Speaker
Right. I mean, that's why sometimes we got to use the domino machine and can't cut hand, cut dove, a hand, cut mortise and tenants on everything. Um,
00:12:52
Speaker
Here's an example. The books published by the Kelmscott press were of such high quality and printed in such low volume that they instantly became treasured collectibles so that highly inflated rates. So you have this arts and crafts, you know, book publisher and, you know, presser of books and the people they were, you know, advocating couldn't even afford one of the books.
00:13:23
Speaker
Uh, I like a politician. Yeah. Is there a new arts and crafts movement today in the era of smartphones, social media, virtual reality, and 3d printing technologies evolving faster than ever. Uh, it can be exciting. It can be overwhelming.
00:13:45
Speaker
for the boomers. Yeah.

Modern Trends: The Maker Movement

00:13:47
Speaker
Yeah. Somebody, I mean, listen, somebody my age, you gotta, it's, you gotta work to stay just with your head above water. It's some of the things are not natural, but this is, I guess this is the way everybody feels. You know, when you get to a certain point where you've passed your comfortable zone of what you grew up with and everything like that. Yeah.
00:14:13
Speaker
In the past few decades, increasingly sophisticated mass production methods have led to an abundance of choices for consumers. But with that sometimes comes a loss of individuality and quality. For example, many of us can relate to visiting a friend's house and noticing they have the same IKEA rug or picture frame or throw pillow as you or somebody else you know.
00:14:43
Speaker
More and more people are therefore replacing or rejecting machine produced products in favor of handmade items from independent retailers, crafters and artists here, here. Yeah, that's us. The social trend mirrors the original arts and crafts movement of the 19th century when people advocated a return to traditional craftsmanship during the Industrial Revolution.
00:15:10
Speaker
I put a note here, the driving forces and goals of the arts and crafts movement were different than those present today in the maker movement.
00:15:23
Speaker
today, rather than completely reject modern technology, artists and consumers alike can use the internet in their favor. Online stores create opportunity for buyer and seller. This in turn allows many contemporary artists and designers to make a living from their craft, an option that may not have been possible pre-internet. So not only this, but living in the information age gives
00:15:53
Speaker
Creates opportunity to thrive, share ideas, learn new skills. Many online communities exist. We're a part of several where artists and crafters willingly share their knowledge by giving workshops, online classes, and spread their love of traditional craft. Yeah. I've seen some people give them classes who have no business given classes. Just saying.
00:16:20
Speaker
That's kind of the double-edged sword of the internet. And they're getting paid. That's the sad part. Yeah. So the legacy is two questions here.

Social Media's Role in Modern Craftsmanship

00:16:33
Speaker
What is the legacy of the arts and crafts movement? And is there really a new arts and crafts movement?
00:16:44
Speaker
I mean, I think you kind of pigeonhole yourself if you try and compare it to arts and crafts, you know what I mean? Is there something going on, a rejection of the mass production? Yeah. I don't know how closely you can compare it to the arts and crafts movement.
00:17:05
Speaker
What do you think about the social aspects with the way people are kind of, especially after COVID, you know, people are rejecting the cubicle work life and maybe trying to cobble together, maybe something that's less fulfilling financially, but more rewarding personally? I think it's a good thing.
00:17:30
Speaker
But I think a lot of people have no idea what they're getting in, you know, getting themselves into. There's something to be said for the steady paycheck. Yeah. I mean, it's certainly admirable. You know, people chasing
00:17:50
Speaker
what may or may not be their, you know, quote unquote dream. I think a lot of people are confused and they, you know, it's maybe just sort of a fleeting, fleeting feeling that they're having. Chairs are creaky because you can see, you know, in a lot of these people, the sort of.
00:18:14
Speaker
like a pseudo interest. Like they're like, Oh yeah, I'm into woodworking, but they don't, they don't do any real, you know, studying or, you know, they don't know any of the great, any of the people who we've spoken about or any, you know, real contemporary woodworkers. They got their job site. So yeah, they're just playing a, it's a big act. I think a lot of it.
00:18:44
Speaker
I think in one sense like that, I'll call a young person's game because there's no long-term stability in it and people are going to hit a point where they go, oh hell, what am I going to do now? Where am I going to get my insurance? Where am I going to get my retirement benefits?
00:19:12
Speaker
I gave up my IT job for this. Yeah. Well, I think a lot of it, um, as my, my thought starts to whatever become more coherent to what I was just talking about. I think a lot of it is like people are, are cultivating personalities instead of cultivating real skills, you know, because of social media, they think that
00:19:38
Speaker
Well, I don't really need the skills. I just need the personality and I can put myself out there and I'll be able to make a living because of my personality. And this is just sort of, this just happens to be the medium that I work in is I'm a woodworker. I think that's a great point.
00:19:55
Speaker
Um, there's, there's several stereotypes out there that really just, um, what's the word I'm looking for? Uh, they prosper. Yeah. Um, you got the, you got the woman woodworker in the sports bra. Yeah. That's a big one right now.
00:20:18
Speaker
No shoes operating machinery. No shoes, shorts and sports bra, but safety glasses. Right. Sexy safety glasses. Yeah.
00:20:34
Speaker
Um, you got the bro in the, you know, with the beard and flat brim hat and flannel shirt with the big boots. Yeah. Untied sometimes. Yeah. That guy. Yeah. Um, yeah, it's, you know,
00:20:55
Speaker
The these people aren't paying the respect to the right. No, it's like there's like a right of passage where if you are serious about this, then you need to look into the past

Art's Impact on Society: Past and Present

00:21:08
Speaker
and and examine, you know, how we got to where we are today. And a lot of these people are making zero attempt at that. They don't even know who green and green are or stingly or Thomas Chippendale or or any of these people.
00:21:25
Speaker
They're the Millie Vanilli. Yeah. You know, they're lip syncing their way. And eventually the tape skips. Yeah.
00:21:38
Speaker
I mean, I said as a joke, I think it was last episode, like these people don't know green and green, but they know bourbon moth or they know stumpy nubs or a wood whisperer or I don't even know. I'm so disconnected. I don't know who all the big, I actually like Mark the wood whisperer, but, um, you know, they know all these hack half-assed people on the internet.
00:22:04
Speaker
and you call yourself a woodworker and you don't know who Thomas Chippendale is. Right. Who's again, we've, I mean, we're so enamored of his input and contribution to what we do. And we didn't even realize it until, you know, we looked into it and that's what we're trying to urge everybody to do.
00:22:26
Speaker
You know, if you're, if you say you're interested in, uh, you know, woodworking or whatever it is, take a look at the people's shoulders you're standing on. Yeah. I mean, you don't have to like aspire to make, uh, you know, a Chippendale wardrobe, right? Cause we are. No, that's not the point. It's not, Oh, well they don't, I don't want to make what they made that, but that's not,
00:22:53
Speaker
what it's about, you know? Yeah. Look at the influence. Look at the input and the output. Yeah. Where they drew their influences from the impact of what they made on society. Yeah. It's
00:23:07
Speaker
It's a, it's been interesting to see how the ties between social movements and society and war and death and life have all impacted all these movements in furniture design. It just wasn't this thing that existed in a bubble. Yeah.
00:23:28
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, if you want your work to be considered art and you consider it as art, which you should, if you are trying to do a good job, then you need to examine the social impact and the social influence, you know, of your work because that's what art is. That's what art is.
00:23:51
Speaker
Yeah. And in a production facility, sometimes like waste is, is something you should be considering, you know, longevity of what you're producing. Is this, you know, something that's going to end up in a landfill in five or seven years, or is this a multi-generational? I mean, when you think about all that stuff,
00:24:19
Speaker
And we try and come up with the best balance. So the new arts and crafts movement. I'd love to hear what people think. Yeah. There's got to be another name for it. Yeah. The maker movement. Yeah. I just hate the word.
00:24:44
Speaker
It does have a really, I mean, for folks like us who actually like make things. We don't want to be lumped in when people would just make social media content. That's what it is. It feels like it cheapens what we do. Yeah. Because there's so much
00:25:15
Speaker
Well, not that people don't work at their craft, whatever it is. It's just, I would like it to have another name than the name that people might use to describe what we do. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, uh, I don't know. It's like, yeah, I'm trying to think of a good analogy.
00:25:36
Speaker
I like to fish, but I don't call myself a professional fisherman. It's like the same thing, not on the same level as someone who, that's what they do. That's how they earn a living, is they go fishing.
00:25:51
Speaker
Not only do they own their, earn their living that way, but they have, um, learned enough that they can pass some things on. Um, they have some authority. Right. It's like, here are some skills that I've learned that, you know, I did not invent these. I'm passing these on now. And here, here's this information. Let's, let's take it down the road a little bit further even.

Quality and Historical Awareness in Modern Craftsmanship

00:26:22
Speaker
Yeah. Well, it's been interesting. Yeah, we went off on a tangent there, huh? I don't think we could avoid it. Once we got to the industrial revolution and then, um, you know,
00:26:39
Speaker
all the fallout from that, I think it's inevitable because we fight against all these things on a daily basis in our business. It's really such a prominent, it might be too strong of war, but it's a reality for us every single day. Yeah, I think the biggest thing is like, okay, so if we're, let's say we're students of the arts and crafts ideology,
00:27:09
Speaker
And what we're seeing now is a lot of rejection to industrialized manufacturing, you know, with people, these quote unquote makers. But the thing that they're missing is the quality and the care, you know, just slapping together some BS in your garage. It's not we're not in the same boat. You're not just because you're making something doesn't mean that you're, you know, an ideologue of the arts and crafts movement.
00:27:36
Speaker
Right. A lot of the stuff you see out there is a bunch of like two by fours and things like that painted and looking, you know, set up for a camera shot from a 10 yards away. Yeah.
00:27:52
Speaker
You know, constructed with no prior research of, you know, real ways to do things. Let's revisit these things in a year. Yeah, expensive or, you know, require a high level of skill to do. It's just if you just jump in and try and do it, you're not going to know how to do it because you you haven't studied on how to do it, you know, like.
00:28:18
Speaker
Well, we advocate for people to, um, to learn and to do. Yeah. I mean, we both taught ourselves how to do this. So there's no reason why you can't. That's right. It's, it's not, there's no mysticism. No. Well, I said it the other day, somebody was saying, somebody said, it's easy. I said, it's all easy. It just takes practice. Right. You just have to learn how to do it and then do it. Cut into a line. It takes practice. Yeah.
00:28:51
Speaker
Well, there we are. Yeah. This is a short one. Is it?
00:28:59
Speaker
We're at the 28 minute mark. So we're going to have to give them a little bonus show next, uh, next week. Yeah. Well, we can talk about a little bit. What's going on in the shop. All right. Um, so let's see right now we, uh, we're getting ready. Hopefully tomorrow we'll deliver. Um, I'm sure you guys have seen, this is a month into the future, but, uh, the Oak, uh, sort of
00:29:23
Speaker
What the hell would you call those? They're not consoles. They're not side tables? They're not really tables. Yeah, they're almost like bedside tables. Yeah.
00:29:34
Speaker
Yeah, they're little, you know, 15 inch deep, 16 inch deep cabinets, 36 inch wide kind of thing with the brass mesh doors that you've seen our Instagram. So we're going to deliver those tomorrow. Hopefully we're working on some closets, maple closets and cherry closets for a job.
00:29:55
Speaker
Then we're going to be getting into that. We got to build that solid walnut cabinet. Oh, yeah. You know, I forgot about that. Yeah. We got to get that done with the pocket doors. We got some living room kind of stuff going on for another job, a bench, floating shelves, a banquet on a welding project. Yeah.
00:30:18
Speaker
Um, working on a bunch of bids for a job in the Hamptons, which looks like that's going to happen. Working on, uh, well, you know, what's going to happen if we, when we go out there, we're going to have to pay a visit to, uh, uh, Corey and Rob. Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:37
Speaker
Um, what else we got? Working on some drawings for a basement storage kind of thing. Just some, we unfortunately went off, went off the rails and you know, now not going to be as nice as it could have been. It's a bite your tongue kind of job. Yeah. Um, gave them a really nice design, but they want to go with a not so nice design, but as long as the money's green.
00:31:07
Speaker
And we had a nice meeting yesterday. Oh yeah. Met a couple of nice designers, local, trying to, uh, do some work with them. She said she was going to get back to me yesterday and she didn't. Um, but yeah, working on a design for them. We're pretty busy. Yeah. We'll be going on our first vacation since the inception of the company. Yeah. Well, we did go fishing. That was just a weekend. We only missed one day.
00:31:37
Speaker
Yeah. We did. We talk about going fishing at all. Uh, I don't think so. We just, did we come back last weekend or this?
00:31:44
Speaker
Or has it been two weeks? Two weeks. Yeah. We couldn't have been taught. We couldn't have. We didn't podcast since we came back. Cause we, uh, we recorded, I think the week before we left. Yeah. Yes. We went up fishing with Keith from Blackthorn working hands podcast. Uh, my buddy Anthony is brother Austin. Uh, it was, it was a good time. The, there was no fish, but saw some snow.
00:32:11
Speaker
Had a nice day on Saturday, nice weather. It was, you know, cool, but good sunshine. You know, it was funny that the water the first day was 33 degrees and you could really feel like you'd be in there for a little while and your toes would get numb. Yeah. Like numb, not even numb, just hurt. Yeah.
00:32:33
Speaker
And then the water warmed up like 10 degrees into the forties, right? No, no, no. It was like 35 on Saturday. That's it. Yeah.
00:32:42
Speaker
It, I had, my feet didn't get numb at all on Saturday. It was also, yeah, it was cloudy and snowing on Friday. And then Saturday there was some sun and we were shielded from the wind. It was a beautiful day on Saturday. It really was. Yeah, it was a good time. Yeah. So next, uh, well, this will be next week for now, but three weeks in the past, I'm going to a wedding in Dominican Republic.
00:33:10
Speaker
What are you doing? You're doing a staycation? I'm staycationing. Well, we got the puppy now. So, um, I tell you, I'm looking forward to it. Yeah. I, I hope my wife goes out like every day.
00:33:24
Speaker
You know, she'll she'll be feeling this new sense of freedom because she's been spending more time at home than she usually does because of the puppy. Yeah. And tell her, listen, you go out, enjoy yourself. I'll stay home with the dog. Oh, yeah. She'll be out all day. I'll tell her I'll cook. You just come home for dinner.
00:33:48
Speaker
which might be nice. You know, I could, I could cook a few nice dinners. Yeah. Yeah. We do a, we're doing a Thursday to Tuesday vacation. Yeah, buddy. Not bad. No, that's, that's it. When people think we, uh, you know, always, they always sort of glamorize on the dream. It's been two and a half years and we're taking four days off. Yeah.
00:34:23
Speaker
Not that we don't, the thing is with us, we have a good quality of life throughout the year. We don't feel the need to not living for the weekend. Right. So, I mean, there are days where we'll look at each other and go, we got enough done today. It's three o'clock call it quits or we're not feeling that hot. Yeah.
00:34:45
Speaker
So we're smart that way. Happy cows make good cheese. Yeah. That's what they say in California. What else? What else we got going on?

Mass Production: A Large-Scale Project?

00:34:57
Speaker
Well, working on more designs for Donnie Douglas, of course.
00:35:04
Speaker
Oh, we got a, a pretty high profile, a project bubbling up. Yeah. Yeah. Could be making a thousand or something. Literally a thousand. That'll be a big change for us. You know, batching out a small piece, a thousand small pieces of something.
00:35:24
Speaker
but with a big name, someone who we actually, I guess you probably don't know, know of them as well as I do, but, you know, somebody who I like and admire. So pretty cool. Yeah. What else? I was going to say something.
00:35:48
Speaker
Completely lost my train of thought. Well, we got a new drill press coming. Hopefully we have it by now. I keep checking the tracking. There's no updates. We bought that Nova Voyager DVR. Can't wait for that baby. After the Shopbox tried to murder me. Had to go. We got literally a $50 Shopbox drill press that I bought used. Tried to take out my jugular.
00:36:19
Speaker
That's been, that's on the rickettiest craftsman cabinet. Oh God. I hate that thing. Yeah. It'll be nice to, uh, I wonder if they make a mobile base for that. There's gotta be one.
00:36:31
Speaker
If not, we can make one. We should make it on those eight inch casters and put them on like outriggers. Yeah. So because, you know, that thing's going to be tippy. Yeah. I mean, we're always running into times where we can't get low enough with that thing. The throw is too short. The depth, the distance between the quill and the and the the the column is too small. Yeah, it's not really meant for a shop like ours. That's for sure. Yeah.
00:37:03
Speaker
And we've been putting the Grizzly wide belt sander, mini wide belt sander through its paces. Oh yeah. That thing's awesome. And it's just flying colors all around with that thing. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, occasionally we'll set the, uh, like, um,
00:37:21
Speaker
overload limiter off because they're trying to take too heavy of a pass, but it's just a mistake. Like, you know, you said it wrong and you're taking off like an eighth of an inch or something and it'll shut the machine down because, you know, it senses the draw, the amp draw is too high, which is good that it has a thing to be able to do that. So you don't damage the machine. Yeah. We don't typically use it for heavy passes like that. No, no, no.
00:37:50
Speaker
Um, but it's, it's really performed probably beyond our expectations. Yeah. I mean, it's paid for itself by this point. Oh yeah. And saving, you know, time saving the vesting finish is still immaculate. Yeah. That's kicking ass too. And, um, I feel like we get better and better with it. Yeah. Like picking up little things to do or not do. Um,
00:38:19
Speaker
Yeah. Not everything stands the test of time. No, sometimes it's people. Yeah. Well, we've been fortunate. We got a visit yesterday from too many mistakes on his new bike. Yeah.
00:38:41
Speaker
So he's, if you follow too many mistakes, Manny picked up a little sports stuff. Yeah. It's nice. And he dropped by to show it off and it's pretty cool. Yeah. So, um, I wonder if it's, I don't think he has, he posted anything on his, uh, I think so. He may be on a story. Yeah. It was a iron horse 883 or something like that's called. Oh yes. Yeah. It's a nice looking bike.
00:39:12
Speaker
Yeah. He's already deep into customizing it. Oh yeah. That's Manny style. Of course. Um, yeah. Well, there's been a lot going on in the shop and a lot to follow. Yeah. Um, it's exciting times. Yeah. Maker camp will be here before we know it. Yeah. Six months. We're planning to head up there probably. Right.
00:39:38
Speaker
Oh, yeah, we're heading. I mean, we'll definitely be attending, but we're, we're hoping to have a woodworking segment up there. Yeah. Well, yeah. If it falls apart at this point, that's, that's not on us. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's, I mean, I would say with 99.99% positivity, that will be,
00:40:03
Speaker
part of the woodworking 10 woodworking 10 this year. Yeah. I just didn't commit a hundred percent because we didn't have, you know, everything still planning stages. Yeah. And I guess this may be the official announce announcement.
00:40:20
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, actually, no. Austin talked about it on Keith's podcast. Keith, Chad and Tony's podcast, I should say. The Working Hands podcast. Check them out. Yeah. If you didn't listen, we were actually on their podcast a couple of weeks ago. Well, if you're listening to this now, probably about seven weeks ago. You're doing the math. Yeah.
00:40:43
Speaker
So check that out. They really have a good podcast. Yeah. Um, like, you know, Keith is mainly a woodworker. Chad is a, does digital fab. Tony's a blacksmith and we don't do blacksmithing really just that one time or digital fab. I mean, kind of a little bit of 3d printing, but it's just a good podcast. Like just, you know, shoot the shit. It's it's good. Yeah. Um, we listened to it all the time, especially when we're on the road. Yeah. Um,
00:41:14
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. Maybe that's all we got. I think it's plenty. Yeah. All

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