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Not Your Rick Steves Recap
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Gianna has come back from Greece and is ready to talk about all the fun visual / art history easter eggs she came across while traveling! This episode is a fun filled mess to welcome you back from spring break! We are looking at extra airplane safety videos, Minecraft and death trees, asking the question “what is authentic?” AND MORE!
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It is time to share your story. Hello,
Gianna's Return and Travel Stories
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hello, and welcome to Art Pop Talk. I'm Gianna. And I'm Bianca. Gianna, welcome back. I think I speak for myself and all of the listeners when I say we missed you very much and we are very excited to hear about your trip.
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I'm so excited to be back and you're in for a real fun recap. I'm going to try and make Rick Steves proud today, but it might just turn into more of a catch up story time sesh than a kind of thorough deep dive episode. Mr. Rick Steves, you know, please forgive us, but I hope you like it.
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Well, I think the best thing about going on a trip is actually the stories that come from it. And knowing the group that you went with, I bet there are a few. Plus, art history is kind of the best when you're just relating your own experiences to the piece or to the memory. So I think it'll be fantastic. I could not agree more. Let's get back to our pop talk.
00:02:59
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Oh, wow. I'm like nervous to be back. I don't know. I don't know why this break felt longer or something like that. Cause I know last summer we took off for a whole month, but maybe just cause I have not been as much of a busy bee as you have been. Globe trekking. Globe
Wedding Planning Dilemmas
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trekking. Do you have a case of like, uh,
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like the sunday scaries or the monday scaries whatever they call it well not really because i don't really do anything during the weeks anymore like but in relationship to our pop talk it's like oh you know oh yeah yeah maybe in relationship to our like you do work here so yeah i do work here that's that's true but i mean i hope you're not scared to come to work
00:03:42
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Here. No, never. Before we really dive in, Gianna and I are just going to start off with an extended Chitty Chatty session instead of our news today. I just want to hear what's up. What's up, Gianna? What's up? Extended Chitty Chatty. I like that. Extended edition. Yes, lots of things. I think I'm over my jet lag.
00:04:07
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just finished my first week of work back, but I think I have a bit of the Sunday scaries or just because this weekend went by way too fast, trying to get a lot of adulting things done this weekend, like look at my student loans and, you know, file for taxes that I told myself I would do when I came back, which I will be doing. I do have some fun things. I mean, all of my updates are about the trip, so obviously we're going to get into that.
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Um, but now that I am back, Phoebe and I were really giving ourselves like a break to talk about wedding things kind of after I got done with this trip. And really I don't have like a lot of wedding updates, but kind of like a PSA a little bit or like help a sister out because we are thinking about doing more of like a whole kind of buddy moon type style.
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two week trip with our like closest friends and family members. And some of the places that we're looking at are Colorado and New Orleans. So if anyone knows of any like beautiful spots or knows of any venue, if we have any art pop tarts in Colorado, which I believe we do if we have any in Louisiana.
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help a sister out, let us know something very intimate and cute. Plan my wedding for me if you're interested. Those are some spots that we might be looking at to do a fun little wedding trip. Guys, I don't want to
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plan a whole freaking wedding and spend tens of thousands of dollars for a venue in Tulsa or Broken Arrow for that matter. I didn't really feel like I signed up for that and I just am not feeling excited about that. I don't know. Let me know if anyone else has done a wedding like this too. Will you just go on an excursion with your closest fam and friends because
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Um, I've been trying to like go through all like the Instagram blogs about how to go about this. Yeah. I feel like that's something I have heard people in my circle talk about doing, but I don't know anyone personally, I guess who has directly done that. I do know. I do have some friends who have attended a wedding in New Orleans, but it wasn't kind of the, you know, buddy moon type that you're talking about. It was more just like the typical New Orleans, New Orleans style wedding.
00:06:42
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You know, Gianna, my vote would be New Orleans. But Colorado would be really beautiful too. Actually, I do know someone who did a wedding in Colorado that was very small and intimate. But again, I know that they kind of, I don't want to say eloped, but they had just a small intimate wedding in Colorado. Don't know about the cabin stay situation. Part of me, I've been kind of like trying to be on the lookout for
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I don't know. I did find something in Colorado that are cabins or little getaway apartment things, but you can also get married there. I don't know. It seems like there's a lot going on at this location. However, I have been trying to look at houses, villas at Airbnb's that you can get with a scenic view and maybe that would be a fun place to get married.
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weird because I don't want to say like elopement, but then also at the same time, I've been looking at some smaller places that are like, what are your elopement packages, especially for just a ceremony. Gotcha. So yeah, again, that's interesting. We need to come up with another term for elopement. Because it's not really like you said, it's not an elopement to stay. What's the word I'm looking for? A destination wedding.
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Yeah, I guess, but it's funny for me to say like I'm having a destination wedding and like
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I'm going abroad and for a while that was on the table. However, I think that might be a little complicated with Phoebe's Visa. We're trying to work that out too because we have a bunch of family members coming from different countries. Are you still thinking 23? Yeah, if we can make a fucking decision about something. I don't know. I'm at this point where I'm like,
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Yo, like the wedding industry moves so fast. Is summer 2023 already out the window at this point? No, I don't think so. I think you would just have to choose, but yeah, there's too many options. You have a little over a year and a half if you did summer 23. Oh my God, that's crazy when you put it in those terms, like a year and a half. I think that's a perfect amount of time.
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I feel like that's going to go by, like I'm going to snap my fingers and that's just, I'm going to be like, oh, look like you're married. It's been two years of COVID. Oh my God. That's wild. That's wild. So anyways, help me out. Play my wedding. If you want to start our Pop Talk Facebook group to be my pridesmaid, I am taking submissions now. Love it. Love that. Okay. So what's been going on with you? Because a lot of this episode is basically about me, which I love, but I want to hear about you.
00:09:30
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Yeah. Well, we do, we do have some very serious updates. This is something we don't have to talk about right now, but also just something that I haven't talked to you about. And we might even save it for our special guests who are coming next week because this is a prominent conversation in their life. But this daylight savings time, permanence thing. Oh my gosh, Jenna, happy first day of spring. That's, that's something that is to me, relatable or related to.
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this Daylight Savings Time conversation, because we had Daylight Savings Time, and it is 6.12 here, and I'm not even close to being dark yet. Hallelujah. It was 60 degrees here today, this first day of spring, and I could not be happier. The sun is shining, the tank is clean.
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We love to see it. We love to see a clean tank here in Boston. It's truly thrilling. So maybe we can save that, but I just, I thought it was weird. It was like the strangest conversation all of a sudden. As soon as daylight savings time happened, Congress was like, yeah, let's make it permanent. And for a day, everybody freaked out and then it just went away. I don't know what's happening with it yet. I was thinking about the art pop tarts today because
00:10:48
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Andrew and I did just go to the South Boston St. Patty's Day Parade. I felt like we needed to go because it is a big deal here in Boston. If we really want to earn our Massachusetts state IDs, then we should probably go to the St. Patty's Day Parade.
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I don't feel the need to go again, which I was telling Gianna before this, but I'm glad that we went just to see the sights, you know? But
Bianca's New Job Adventure
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I was thinking about our pop-tarts because of our parade episode that we did.
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coinciding with the Macy's parade, but apparently this is the second biggest parade in the country or something, or the second longest running. It's been happening for 230 years, which to me was wild. There's that for you guys. Just thinking about shit today. So Gianna, are you ready for the big news? I'm so ready for this big news.
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in anticipation for this news. Well, ya girl got a job offer and we are feeling good about
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about this decision. We're feeling excited, fully revived. I mean, the whiplash from the She's Not Well episode that came out, me crying on the phone to Gianna. The span of a week, this all happened. Gianna and I recorded a week later. I had the job offer, absolutely wild. I start on April 4th, so I do have
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quite a bit of time. I mean, I found out at the beginning of March, I guess, and I don't start till April 4th, like I said. So there's a good chunk of time for me to actually kind of take that
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rest where I am not applying for jobs, 24-7, which has been a great feeling. I joined Rover, so I've been walking dogs and house-sitting animals, which has been nice, but I am definitely ready to get started. And this is actually
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a conversation that we are kind of going to continue with our guests next week. We had a lot of responses to the She's Not Well episode and again I just want to thank all of you for listening but also sending in your own experiences with the
00:13:29
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job process and how you navigated that and what you guys were going through at that time and what you still might be going through. And it was so heartwarming to, one, not feel alone, but also know that this is clearly a huge problem that people in our community are facing. And I really think that whenever we open up and take that discussion seriously, it could really
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help some people and you guys helped me so much. So we are going to kind of continue that next week with two amazing
TV Show Analysis: Inventing Anna
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women who we know from our background in the arts, but who might not be on the same paths that again, like we all kind of thought we were going to go down this one path right after school and that's not what happened.
00:14:22
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Yeah, but I just, I feel already very valued at this job, which is completely refreshing. I've gotten to meet some of my new colleagues recently over the past two weeks, and they just kept reassuring me how much of an asset I'm going to be to this team and to this company because of my background. And I'm just feeling very grateful and
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Yeah, I don't even know if I have words just over overwhelmed with such gratitude for them for my company for the offer and for all of you guys. So yeah, I'm excited to kind of dive into that. Again, with like a little bit more nuance and diversity of the conversation next week. So
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That's what we have. I mean, damn dude, happy for you. Know that we freaking are so exciting. Such a joyous news to ring in the spring and the first episode of Art Pop Talk back. We really appreciate that. I'm so excited for next week's episode. It'll be really fun. Stay tuned for that.
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Before we do get into today's art pop talk on this extended chitty chatty note, I was able to watch some Netflix on my trains, planes, and automobile and donkey situation, excursions everywhere. I feel as though we should just talk about inventing Anna a little bit.
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Yeah. Thoughts, initial thoughts. I mean, so here's the thing that I think everybody already understands who watched the show in that when you have a Shonda Rhimes production, it's going to be super Shonda. So it was dramatic and there's nothing that any of us watching can do about that. That is the show that we got. I don't know if that's the one that you wanted, but that's what happened.
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I loved it for what it was, but I suppose I wasn't the person who needed a super truthful, you know, miniseries about it. When the documentary comes out, which I'm sure it will after, you know, we got a minting Anna, we have the book what, you know, I'm sure that there's a documentary in the works, if not went out already that I just don't know about. I would love to watch it. You know what I mean? I think for me,
00:16:57
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It was an enjoyable ride, but of course I just honestly loved this arts fan, like the Anna Delvi Foundation aspect of it all. And I kind of wished that it was able to come to fruition. And again, I know that Shonda is going to have us root for the villain in a sense after watching that.
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in the real story were probably a lot of people who were very hurt but you know she's like in the show made out to be this kind of like arts Robin Hood but still also catering to the elite
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And I love the idea of the Ann Adelwe Foundation, like this big arts hub, but then part of me also thinks if it would have worked out, it would have been a super problematic elitist, like just continuation of the garbage that we see from the art world anyway. But I love the idea that it came from a woman stealing money from like wealthy men. Yeah. I think as a character, because like,
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This was a character, this was not the documentary. Anna Delvi was the most well-written character and Chandra Rhimes just Chandra all over the place. She was written very good.
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A lot of the other plot lines, I felt like it really fell apart at the end. They stopped explaining the grip that Anna had on people with the lawyer and with the journalist. There at the end, after the trial, I was so confused about how they kept talking about
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She has no one else, like she's just a girl. And I'm like, you are her lawyer, like you are not her best friend. And I feel like the show really like, and same thing with the journalists, like they really kind of failed, I feel as though.
00:18:53
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to talk about the grip that Anna had on these people. How did she get her claws into them? I felt like there was a little bit of a disconnect. I got it more with the relationships in her friend group, but after she was in prison, I didn't really feel like that writing was the best. Also, the journalist really annoyed me.
00:19:17
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Vivian Kent, Vivian Kent, the journalist, yeah, and all of the Grey's Anatomy actors I just can't with. But we did have a nice little Cindy Sherman moment to have the piece be put in a very fancy guest house, so I don't know what we thought about that.
00:19:39
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I mean, I feel like this is just something where at the beginning of APG, Gianna and I were really worked up about rich people having Fort Smart just willy-nilly in their home. But as we have evolved, I'm just like, if you have that much money, you're going to put it wherever the fuck you want. And if it's in your fancy guest bedroom, we're showing it off to your guests. Like maybe I would hang my signature. This is a really nice guest house. I don't fucking know. I don't fucking know.
00:20:06
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I did, I will say from the actors in that scene the journalist and her husband.
00:20:12
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Vivian and her husband, the idea, that scene, I guess, of a kind of middle-class couple entering and being able to stay in this very elite, amazing guest house, I did relate to that a lot, because with the heated floors or whatever, like regulating their body, I was like, fuck, I would have the exact same experience. Yeah. Well, dude, I was thinking about that because our aunt has heated floors in her bathroom.
00:20:42
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And damned if I don't think about that every time I'm on my way to Delaware on my heated floor. It's so nice. Not that it's big enough to where I can lay my body across the floor.
00:21:00
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And then all like the products being like, okay, like we're going to use every single one of these products and then we're going to have a lot of sex. I was like, yes, go for it. So yeah, I think all in all, I like the show and as just like a nice watch, especially just for a good travel. Also, I love that uncle.
00:21:24
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of APT, Nick Poirot, just a very good Anna Delvi impersonation. It just was everything.
00:21:34
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Oh my gosh, I cannot wait to hear. I'm gonna make him do it at Easter. Yeah, you should. Oh my god, it was so funny. In Gianna, I feel like you and I were being really funny the other day when we were in person. We are not gonna be able to do that. It's like, my dad will buy you the money. I do not have time for this. I do not have time for you.
00:21:59
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I just, I kind of love her character. I kind of love the energy. She made some good points though, I must say. I was like, I'm ready to come to the dark side if I'm being real. No, for real. Yeah. The one thing I didn't get was, which we don't have time to talk about, but Rachel. I feel like there needed to be a lot more explanation about
00:22:25
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especially Rachel's relationships with Laverne Cox and the other girl who worked at the hotel. It didn't really make sense that they were still communicating without Anna. Anna felt like it was the glue that held the group together. Then I just feel like that dynamic
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was weird. Then they were mad at Anna for them making money off of the situation after that came out in court. I'm like, why are you mad about that that she made? Oh, mad at Rachel. Yeah, they are mad at Rachel because she made money off of other deals like selling her story. I'm like, why would you be upset about that? I don't understand.
00:23:07
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Yeah, I agree. And I just feel like that wasn't written well. Like, why was Laverne... She was like, Laverne Cox kept saying, like, you made a dime off your friend. And I'm like, okay, so now we're back to being friends with her? I was like, what's the big deal? She made money off of a terrible situation. I don't know. Yeah. And I was poking around on the real Rachel's Instagram and real Rachel really did not like...
00:23:33
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the inventing and the situation, which I don't blame her interest on, but it was very, she was pleading her case all over the place. Oh God, whatever. I don't know. It's not so much like, I don't care how the characters felt about it in this TV show. I just feel as though like it should have been written a little bit better. Like the, where is the loyalty? How are we feeling?
00:24:03
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towards Anna and have that be a little bit more clearer. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so nice highlight on inventing Anna. So really quickly, I wanted to talk about the dropout. Yes.
Symbolism in The Dropout
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Have you started watching it, Bianca? Well, of course, because I don't know if you know this story, but I was like talking to Theban about it. Yeah. Because there's just a really cute moment that I will always cherish between me and Theban.
00:24:33
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where I came home to Gianna and I's place in college, and Gianna wasn't there. And Phoebe was just on the couch about to watch the HBO documentary about Elizabeth Holmes. And I came in, I was like, oh, Phoebe, I'm like, what are you doing? He's like, oh, yeah, I'm just gonna watch this documentary. Like, do you want to watch it with me? And I was like,
00:24:52
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Yeah, and so it was like our first alone moment together. Wow. And I just really cherish it. So whenever I found out that the dropout was coming to Hulu, I was messaging the event like, oh my gosh, are you ready? We're going to watch this. And I don't think he thinks it's as prominent to our relationship as I do. No, I think he does because you and I hadn't talked about this, but
00:25:20
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when the dropout was coming out, Phoebe and I, we talked about how you guys watched it. So anyways, love. Oh, I'm glad he remembers our moment together. Well, and I don't have too much to say about the show as of now. Are you all caught up? Yeah, I'm all caught up. There's some interesting talk about the visuals of Elizabeth Holmes and how she caters her look.
00:25:47
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And we can talk about that some other time if you guys are interested in that. But there is a very symbolic moment in, I don't know, I want to say maybe the second or third episode where she is trying to get investors and she goes to that investor, Dawn,
00:26:09
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whose office is all decked out in like Western decor. And so, you know, she, the scene goes, she's going to all these different investors and, you know, like Silicon Valley, whatever, and she's just getting like knocked down one by one. And so she goes to this last spot. She's waiting to get an interview with this guy and meeting and the receptionist tells her that
00:26:36
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they can't have their meeting, it's canceled. And so you just feel the desperation, this is her last moment of hope. And right before that all goes down, we get a shot of her looking at a small sculpture on the table that is the end of the trail. You all know about this piece, Bianca's shaking her head. It's just, for me, it was real noticeable. Of course, I saw it and I was like, end of the trail.
00:27:03
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I was just, I was like, ooh, oh baby. I was like, I don't know how I feel about comparing, you know, the displacement of native people to the trials and tribulations of Elizabeth Holmes, but I see what you were going for.
00:27:19
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So for those of you who are unfamiliar with this piece, we can certainly share an image of it. And you can look it up now, again, at the end of the trail. Basically, it reinforces this concept, not a concept, this idea and fact of the vanishing Indian, specifically from the landscape, from the location. And then this work portrays a very exhausted Sioux person
00:27:47
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who's clearly kind of dropping, hanging over this horse that he's riding. So he's the rider and both the horse and the rider are clearly physically exhausted. So with her being exhausted in this moment,
00:28:06
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It was interesting, and this investor was very much like cowboy aesthetic, had a cowboy hat. Again, the whole room was filled with Western decor, but that's a really loaded piece. We have the huge sculpture at the National Cowboy Hall of Fame here in Oklahoma City, and there are a lot of other
00:28:31
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smaller cast versions of it all over. But it's a pretty well-known piece, so I suppose if you needed to visually make some kind of comparison that people would need to get, I understand using a well-known piece. It was just interesting, I thought, and I was wondering if you had noticed it too.
00:28:54
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I noticed the whole aesthetic of the office immediately because it felt so familiar to us and I think it was very Oklahoma State.
00:29:07
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Maybe we've talked about this on APT, the Frederick Remington sculpture that I fucking hate so much. So it was giving me that energy already, which already felt relatable as visual cues go, kind of harping on this Western identity. I mean, anytime you see like a bronze cast, small horse sculpture, it's like your mind just kind of instantly goes there.
00:29:37
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Yeah. And takes us back to like home. Right. And Gianna, I see what you're saying in terms of a set designer finding this and honing in on that aspect of the nature of the locale and the needs for the office itself, but also using it to make
00:30:04
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points about the story. I understand that, but I think this might be worthy of another episode in itself. But how can set designers not play into a problematic stereotypical example from art history to make your point? Because to make your point, you shouldn't rely on
00:30:29
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the vanishing of other people's in a completely different unrelated scenario. We at APT understand that art is subjective and relatable in different ways. We understand that, but that's, you're a set designer and you have the power to make those decisions. And you're enforcing something onto the viewer that is not the subjective experience that you might get in a museum.
00:30:58
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You know what you're so right because I'm sure if we wanted to and I mean I'm having other thoughts like roll in my head like we have moments where like we are looking at other things through the lens of the character whether like the character is looking at art and we don't know.
00:31:15
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or just a scene playing out in front of them. There's no dialogue, but we understand what that person is feeling and experiencing. There could have been an image of a cow on the wall, and she could have just been staring at this image of this cow and just making eye contact with it or something. Like herding cattle, something like that. Anything. You're right. More has to do with the visuals than it does
00:31:40
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this historical work of art. It's just about how you play the field and how you do that appropriately. That was a wild comparison if I have ever seen one. I like this idea, Gianna. This is definitely a noteworthy conversation to expand upon. I watched that episode I think last night and I had been watching it throughout the day today and I just immediately
00:32:08
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popped it in the script. Yeah, no, I'm glad you did. I'm glad you did because that's, I've been watching it alone here and you know, I was, when I watched it, I was like, what the fuck? So that's funny. I wish we'd have been able to watch that together. That would have been like, oh God. So Gianna, let's take a little break and whenever we come back, it's going to be all you, honey. Ready for the recap.
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00:34:19
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We are all exenos and we are all traveling to Greece, but I'm assuming that probably a lot of our friends are coming down from their spring break travels as well. So instead of shoving all the archaeological historical knowledge into your freshly hungover brains, today I'm sharing funny travel stories and fun fact Easter eggs I came across while bopping around in Athens, Santorini and in Crete.
00:34:49
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I'm very excited. I think this is also going to be just a cool conversation because I'm sure that a lot of people are familiar with the big stuff, you know, the Acropolis pass at NASA, but some of the better kind of travel insights or, you know, little aesthetic art historical finds are those little things that aren't in your textbooks, you know.
00:35:10
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Ah, yes. Let me write your textbook for you. That would be so amazing and so tragic at the same time. We would write a great textbook. It would just be like, this is trash. It would be fucking hilarious. Okay. So I'm actually going to give you guys a list of things that I'm going to talk about and Bianca, just let me know what you think we should dive into first. So choose wisely. And probably a lot of this isn't going to make any sense. So first.
00:35:40
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French flight safety video. Keychain lady. Tula, the bridal dress consultant. Is this authentic? Trees that signify death and video game trees aka reminds me of Minecraft. So you have a lot of options. Which one shall we talk about first? Okay so
00:36:04
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I love this Jeopardy style choices that you're giving me. I think maybe the one that I am biased towards because I haven't heard you talk about it since you've been home.
00:36:19
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is the keychain lady. Lady. Bianca, I've been dying to talk to you about this. I'm so excited. Keychain lady is the new McDonald's.
00:36:36
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I saw a boy today at the parade, got straight up, sent me back. I'm not sure we've explained the McDonald's German kid before to our pop-tarts.
00:36:55
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It's just not funny, and I'm sorry that you guys have to bear the brunt of being on the outside of an inside joke. I understand that this might not be super funny, but Bianca and I were not in Germany that long. I think that we- A few days. Was it a few days?
00:37:15
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Yeah. Anyways, we were trying to get somewhere because we were trying to get on a subway and we were down in the station and there was a dirty, grimy little McDonald's. Subway McDonald's. Subway McDonald's hits different apparently.
00:37:36
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All we can describe him as the real-life Augustus Gloop, and I don't mean that in a negative light, but the real-life Augustus Gloop was like assuming- Booming at the mouth. Booming at the- As you saw on the subway, McDonald's, the glint in his eyes.
00:38:00
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And this all like, it's so funny because it's like all happened in the span of a second. And this is also a packed subway, you know, terminal station. Like there are, it's fairly busy and Gianna and I just lock in on the same thing happening at like one single second of time.
00:38:23
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Oh my God. So basically this kid just lets out a dad McDonald's. McDonald's. McDonald's. And let me tell you.
00:38:37
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this boy his his eye it's like the Grinch you know when you say the Grinch his heart grew 10 times that day this boy's eyes grew 10 times in one moment of seeing McDonald's and I wholeheartedly understand that feeling but I have never seen it exerted so
00:39:00
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perfectly on someone's face. At that point, just getting on the actual subway just took every energy in my body to try to go on from there. I was like, if I died right here in this dirty German subway, I would die so happy because we know that he
00:39:23
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Well, and also because I know that I'll never be happier than that kid when he saw me Donald, so I should just give up. So let me just say that like the same joy in this budgie German child's eyes
00:39:46
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was the same joy that I saw in Miss Julia Boro's eyes. That's not where I thought this was going. When she saw Keychain Lady, as we call her. So what is Keychain Lady? You might be wondering.
00:40:15
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Get to the fucking point, bitch. Been off the air way too long.
00:40:24
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We were in the Athens Airport what felt like 20 times because we went in the off season. There are no ferries that run between the islands right now. So you have to go back to Athens and then you have to fly back out to wherever it is you're going. So we gave a lot of money to Aegean Airlines because we were on that flight twice
00:40:52
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after International Women's Day, we got these two separate keychains. Basically, Aegean Airline was giving out these keychains for International Women's Day, but they were also only giving them out to the, quote, women on the plane.
00:41:11
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And so at first when we got them, if you're like, what is this? And we were looking at it and kind of laughing at just like, oh, what is this shitty airplane gift? So it's this key chain and Bianca, I have a picture of it. And it's like a collab with some kind of designer company, whatever. It's just a key chain of a lady. But it says, for the Aegean lady traveler.
00:41:40
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And it's kind of, I think it's like a goddess. It's like Athena. It's basically like the goddess key chain collection reminding you that there's one in every woman, okay? Piece of plastic and spine. At one point, and I can't remember which flight this was, there was a girl sitting next to Juliana and they were handing out key chain lady again. And I think it was the second time
00:42:08
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I can't even remember at this point, but they didn't give this girl one because they didn't think that she was a girl. And so her and her friends, this girl who was an American, so we overheard them talking about how she's wearing a baseball cap. They were like, oh, they didn't give me one because they think I'm a boy.
00:42:32
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And so on top of all of that, there's just like much discussion about like how we go about International Women's Day and how this airline handled that being interesting. I don't understand if this is a gift like for a woman, that's fine, but why can't you give one to your supposed male traveler or whoever is traveling?
00:42:54
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And then if that's a gift, they can give that to somebody else. But also, like, why can't they celebrate International Women's Day with a gift, with also a lady keychain, with also a keychain lady? But anyways, whatever. Like, that was a very interesting part of this experience. But I think after getting them a couple times, like, Juliana was like really excited about that.
00:43:21
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I think like we kind of started to like expect keychain lady and we're like, oh, where's my fucking keychain?
00:43:30
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At any rate, at some point, we each ended up with two. So it wasn't just the joy in her eye when she first got kitchen lady. It was also the despair when she realized that she left her second one in her seat back pocket. That's why they tell you not to shove shit in there. And so we're getting off of the plane.
00:44:01
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So the plane lands, we're getting off of it and Juliana's like, oh no, wait, I can't find my other key chain lady for the lady traveler. And I'm like, do you want me to grab it for you? And she was like, I was trying to find it and she was like, oh no, it's okay. But then as we're leaving, she's like, key chain lady.
00:44:31
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this is horrible i'm sorry this is the funniest thing she just i don't know she lets out like a like auto break like her arm was like over the seat like oh no i left her behind like she was so
00:44:49
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Sad, but then I think all ended well in this horrible story that I'm relating because I think Rita gave her her second one. Oh my gosh. But some of them are like they all look different too, so she really wanted...
00:45:04
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dude that looked different this is not this is not the same but when you said keychain lady for your lady traveler it reminded me of my miracle pill for the middle-aged man
00:45:30
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I'm sorry I left you behind like oh my god and then I had to walk off of this plane just cracking up
00:45:41
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oh my god oh my god and she's in front of me so i'm just like silently like cackling as i am trying to efficiently walk down the aisle and i'm like i would have tried to grab it for you and then she you know was like no no it's okay like it's fine and then
00:46:00
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So that's all to say that There's one thing that like always sticks out when you're traveling that you will just never forget That's the funniest thing that happens on your trip. And so that's what I have on the menu
00:46:15
Speaker
from it too, because the only thing from McDonald's is I just have the memory that I hope will never leave my brain cells. But now you have a token of this moment, which is also very sweet. Yes, I do have it. So, I mean, I'm not mad about her. Like, I like Keychain Lady. I just feel like she's for everybody. I mean, Keychain Lady, Keychain Lady and herself is maybe not the most problematic thing, but the way that they handled Keychain Lady.
00:46:45
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Not so great. Right. They dishonored Keisha, lady. They dishonored her. Dishonored her on you. Dishonored her on your cow. Dishonored her on your airline. Anyways, but other than that, flying a gene was fine. I just don't understand why they had to be so selective about it. Yeah, that's weird. That was weird.
00:47:05
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I'm just relating this to the museum world again because I feel like this is a moment where you are supposed to be so fucking grateful for anything that the airline gives you and that's a moment that I've flown Lufthansa before to Greece actually I flew them the most fucking incredible air Lufthansa and Swiss Air oh my god when they gave us like bread
00:47:30
Speaker
on our on our flights like this is amazing so i feel like the keychain lady for an airline to give you something that and i don't know if this is just an american thing that american airlines are stingy as fuck and i can't even get peanuts or a glass of water or whatever
00:47:45
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Norwegian is also that way too. I hated Norwegian Airlines. But when you get something from an airline, it's like, oh my God. I know it's so great. Thank you. This is actually Athena and I must hold her dearly. Can I eat her? No. Am I still hungry after only a mini bag of pretzels? Yes.
00:48:10
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Yeah, and it is with some kind of designer. I don't know, I feel like it was interesting. I've never gotten a gift or I guess when I'm traveling, it's never been on a holiday before, so maybe other people have experienced things where they've handed out gifts. Anyways, we can move on from that, but while we're on the flight train of thought,
00:48:32
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I just have to talk about this French Airlines Bougie AF safety video. And my layover was in Paris, which is why I was flying with that airline, whatever. So, and I still don't know like why I'm mad about the safety video or even how I feel about it. Maybe I've had time to like process it and now I've like, I'm not angry about it, but I just want to talk about it.
00:49:00
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So why am I so hung up on it? It's a very creative and maybe even entertaining way of getting you this information, I suppose. But the comparisons in this like French safety video were just wild. For example, sitting at your artisan secretary's desk was therefore equal to lifting your tray table up.
00:49:27
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Lifting your beach lounge chair up is the same as putting your airplane chair in its upright and locked position.
00:49:35
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Also, they said to retract your leg rest twice in this video, retract your leg rest, which means that somebody on this plane had a leg rest and I have no leg rest. So I think part of this was also just like, who the fuck on this plane has a leg rest? Who are you? Come forward, show yourself.
00:50:00
Speaker
The safety video is not for me. This is for the people at the front of the plane in their little cubes. Like, this is not for me. I do not have time for this. I do not have time for you. Other things that were shown. Walking the runway while showing me my emergency exits in fashion. Then there's a scene
00:50:23
Speaker
where they're asking you to unplug your chargers, you know, while during takeoff. But why would that be a problem? Because you can get to know the person sitting next to you. Or in the case of this video, you have four yards of room between you and your neighbor to flirt on an obnoxiously long yellow bench. And I have a picture that I hope you all reference.
00:50:44
Speaker
you can find on our instagram ridiculous like why would you make this comparison like you could have put them on a normal bench like in any other like situation they were showing people at like french cafes like loading their luggage and hotel rooms like even like the fashion runway thing you know that's a creative way of like
00:51:05
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showing you like your exits that's fine but like if you can show people with fake seat belts sitting at a cafe in Paris you can show them in a park sitting on a normal bench but instead you thought it would be a great idea to show how much room these people have to flirt it up in this fictitious scene
00:51:23
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where I, on the other hand, and wedged in between Miss Rita and Juliana Poirot, and the only person to flirt with is in fact Juliana Poirot. So, like, what is a girl to do? You know, Juliana, I really don't know that I have much to say about this. Because, like, so... Really? You don't? And inventing anesthesia, we're like, I'm kind of here for it. But I also...
00:51:53
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I don't want to get on the bad side of French Airways or whatever it is, Air France, because I just know that I will be flying them again. I think it's so typically French, which is maybe why.
00:52:13
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kind of love it, but I also understand that it is ridiculous. I'm sure someone did come up with a creative, a very creative way to explain this information that nobody generally listens to any. But whenever they have these videos, I just.
00:52:30
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I don't know, I kind of love it, but I wasn't there with you experiencing it. So I don't know, maybe I would feel differently. Well, so if I didn't have a leg lift or whatever, leg rest. So yeah, and I understand that this is like very obnoxious, but this is just part of the travel visuals that I absorb that like stuck in my brain that, you know, I thought would be kind of like just fun to share again, then just like shoving down all this like,
00:52:59
Speaker
more useful knowledge down your throats today because this is not useful. But speaking of that, so the video is on YouTube, I found it and I've linked it for your reference. So you can watch this. And it's also like fairly long because it's like not I mean, it's like six minutes long because it's in French and it's in
00:53:21
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English. It's also double the communication, double the visuals as well. That's interesting. They have one flight attendant speaking for each language. It's just interesting.
00:53:36
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Um, I think I was just like painfully aware that like I am a peasant and I think I was also a little bummed that I wasn't going to Paris too. Like, even though, cause it's also, it's kind of hard when you're going abroad and.
00:53:51
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you have a layover somewhere and you're like, this is also equally a cool place. I could just spend time here. And I had a three hour layover in the Paris airport. And all I did was get a lottery macaron to say that I got one in Paris. So that was fun. Oh, and we got croissants to say that we ordered a croissant. I'm already jealous. You suddenly got a three percent. I was like,
00:54:20
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I don't even care that it's an airport crescent. Airport crescent. My favorite. So that was all my lovely, like, plain stories for you guys, but I highly recommend watching the safety video. Go to YouTube. I'll link it on our channel for you.
00:54:44
Speaker
Okay, next up on the list, I want to hear about these Minecraft trees.
Greece's Natural and Cultural Wonders
00:54:51
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Minecraft trees and death trees. I'm just going to kind of tie them all together. Let's go. So we can start with the cypress tree, which are pretty abundant in Athens mostly. I think there are
00:55:10
Speaker
more so in Crete than there is Santorini. I mean there's like no vegetation in Santorini because it's more of like a volcanic island and just it's very small. So the cypress is the symbol of immortality as an emblem of eternal life after death and in fact is often found in or near cemeteries. So that was something that I definitely noticed and Bianca have actually included a picture
00:55:38
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for us here, and this is from the Acropolis. And you can see in the distance where we have the cityscape right in front of the mountain, and there's like a dark patch in the middle. And all of that is Cyprus trees, which is the cemetery in Athens. So in Greek mythology, the god Apollo had fallen in love with, I think you would also say Cyprus, although it's spelled a little differently.
00:56:08
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But Cyprus had a pet deer that was gifted to him by Apollo and he was like obsessed with this deer apparently. So while he was practicing with his bow one day or he was hunting, he actually struck the deer and it died. So Cyprus was overcome with grief and he prayed to Apollo that he might be allowed to mourn forever.
00:56:29
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Apollo cautioned him against such a request, but still Cyprus grieved. And so the sympathetic Apollo transformed him into a Cyprus tree. Because of its ties with death, the Cyprus tree is also considered to be the tree of Hades. The Cyprus tree was just, it came up a lot on the trip. Obviously, they're a main part of the landscape. We have this part of mythology that of course comes up a lot when you're on a walking tour, for example.
00:56:57
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But cypress wood is just very durable, it's stable, it's water resistant, it's rock resistant, and it is used even today for building material, so it is a commodity. The wood of the cypress trees were also used to construct
00:57:14
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columns or pillars if we're looking at the Minoan age before Greeks and Greek mythology. So it's just been a prevalent part of this place's history for a long time, something as simple as this tree. So I thought that'd be fun to talk about.
00:57:31
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and we know this from archaeological sites like Kenosos. In the Minoan Age, the cypress trees were used in the construction of the main palace and central living quarters. The trunks were put upside down so the broader parts supported the roof construction. For stability, they would also use wooden frames as well in between the wooden frames
00:57:54
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then you would have that kind of filled with stones and other sturdy material. Also, going back to talking about wood as a commodity, the cypress tree was a very important export product. In the past, the wood was used as a trade for gold and ivory with countries now such as Egypt and Syria and along Asia Minor.
00:58:19
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A lot of this gold and ivory has been discovered in the palace and we know that it was traded because gold is not a natural resource of Crete where Knossos is.
00:58:31
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I've actually shared a picture and again, you guys can look at this on our resources on Instagram. But we have this small construction of what part of the palace would look like. We can see that the pillar is reconstructed because one, it's colored and two, it's made out of concrete or a gypsum cement. This would be originally made out of wood.
00:59:00
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We can see those still concrete, but they're actually painted to look like wood. What would have been wooden slats? If we're moving on and we're talking about these, what I call them Minecraft trees, I don't know, guys. I was just feeling like when I saw this tree, I felt like I was walking around in a simulation.
00:59:24
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There's something about them that don't feel supernatural. They look too perfect. And of course they're not familiar to my natural landscape, like my everyday reality.
00:59:39
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But Bianca, please tell me I'm not crazy. And I was also in shock to find out that when I was trying to figure out what the name of this tree was, it came up as a Norfolk island pine, which is wild because I have a Norfolk wild island pine that I use as my Christmas tree. And it doesn't look like this. I know that there are like different kinds of variations of plants or what have you, but
01:00:05
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There is something about this plant with the leaves going up instead of down, and then also the separation between each section and the trunk, which is very skinny.
01:00:20
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I don't know. I was like, this tree is not real. No, I completely understand what you're saying. It's almost hard to describe because it doesn't look real, I guess. It doesn't look real. It looks like your little Minecraft tree that's next to it. Or, yeah, it looks like something that is fabricated to look trendy.
01:00:39
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It reminds me of, we don't really have them here, but they have them on the East Coast. They're telephone poles, and they disguise them to look like trees. I was also like... The way that it's segmented is just super interesting, and they're everywhere. They kind of are like, which cacti is...
01:01:06
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like a native plant there too, but it kind of reminds me of like, I feel like if you see like a cactus or something, it's very specific or it feels very like indigenous to dimensional or something. It feels like it belongs in that landscape, that space.
01:01:23
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This is how this tree felt too, but I was like, am I free guy? Am I not? Am I in a simulation? Have I been brought to reality and have a consciousness?
01:01:38
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Well, Bianca, since you have picked out all the talking points you wanted me to go through, we do just have one more. And this brings me to kind of the best talking point of the episode, which is the question, is it authentic? Which is a little inside jokey again, but also something I really wanted to talk about when you are looking at a reconstructed artifact or archaeological site.
01:02:07
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How do you know what is authentic? I'll explain a little bit. So my precious aunt, who is a super big history buff and whose lifelong dream was to go to Greece and see places like Knossos, was completely overwhelmed by the artifacts at each site and in museums and would keep asking, is this authentic?
01:02:34
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Don't tell me this is authentic. This is not authentic. Don't tell me this is authentic. Just wide-eyed and in disbelief of what she was saying. And it was so cute and funny to watch her go to each point and be like, don't tell me this is authentic. But she like has a point. It's a complex thing to try to rack your brain around.
01:03:00
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What is the original? What pieces are fabricated? Then you can get into it even a little bit further and you're thinking about how was it reconstructed? Where was it when it was found? And what did it look like when it was found too? Like how, what did the pieces look like? How was it broken up? And also why is the museum showing it to me in this way?
01:03:25
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I mean like that's when we start really getting into like the mind fuck of it all. It is kind of a lot. So for myself, not only am I thinking about what is authentic and what is reconstructed in the moment, but I'm also thinking about what images were shown to me to study in the classroom in an undergrad art history class
01:03:46
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you usually only have time to focus on the essence of the image. What are we learning from? What are we seeing and what can we take from this time period moving on? There isn't time to always get into the archaeological aspects, the excavation aspects, and even the museum practices of it all too, regarding these artifacts.
01:04:11
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So it's a little confusing when you see these works in person for the first time. So if I am taking some examples of some things that I notice and things that I studied in the classroom, we can look at the ball leaping fresco from 1449 BCE. And I have two images here. One is kind of like a clear, nicer, close up image.
01:04:37
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But when you're looking at this particularly flat digital image, it's really hard to process where are the actual pieces of the fresco and what has actually been interpreted, what's been drawn in.
01:04:51
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and you don't really get a sense for how people have tried to reconstruct things like frescoes or mosaics or even pieces of pottery really until you're looking at it in person and looking at that collection together. Because another interesting thing about piecing artifacts together is that there's like debate about that, especially from an archaeological standpoint.
01:05:19
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because these were reconstructed a while ago, right? And we don't have those same reconstructing practices that we do today. But at what point do we then go back and fix what has already been done and reconstructed to that original thing? Do you understand how I'm like going down the freaking rabbit hole here? It's wild.
01:05:42
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Yeah, no, this is really interesting. I also think it's kind of loud how they say with the Last Supper, there will be a point in time where none of Da Vinci's actual work will be left on the piece itself. Or even with the Acropolis, they have to do maintenance on it. They have to preserve it in this specific way, but at what point will it
01:06:08
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not exist in its original state anymore? Is there a percentage that we qualify it as being completely reconstructed or something? And it's different for each site based on who has come in before, who has found that site, who has excavated it, and what practices were in place then.
01:06:27
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If we take the Temple of Zeus into consideration, you can barely even see that temple. One, because it's small, but two, because it's covered in so much scaffolding. There is a column, however, that has fallen and they aren't going to rebuild that column. They're going to leave it because showing you how that
01:06:48
Speaker
column has fallen is also preservation of that record of that historical site. If we're going back to a place like Kenosos, there's so much about that site that is incredibly important. I think the person who first found that site and excavated it is super interesting, Sir Arthur John Evans, and he was
01:07:16
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British and surprisingly wasn't a total asshole and actually wanted to not steal things. He wanted to create that site for tourist purposes. The reason why we have this reconstruction of this pillar made out of gypsum cement and we can see where that wood would have been is because he rebuilt the site. That is no longer a practice that will be in place.
01:07:43
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the rest of Kenosos or places like Akrotiri, any other historical sites will not be rebuilt like this because it's important to just preserve the history in the way that it is. Because also you're building on top of a site that we still don't know so much about as well. Right. It's interesting to see how even this landscape was already created and maneuvered in preparation for tourism.
01:08:12
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There are cypress trees that are planted on this site, specifically for tourists to look at the cypress trees because they're essential to that landscape. Those are things that wouldn't be done today, but we're just not going to destroy this thing. We're not going to just uproot these trees and we're not going to destroy this thing that Sir Arthur John Evans made because that's
01:08:40
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now part of the history for the greater the bad. The last example I will pull out is the carotids from the Erecthion at the Acropolis. And when you're looking at carotids, which are female figures that replicate or replace a pillar or a column to hold up a roof,
01:09:05
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you look at them in their original context, in their original place of being outside on the porch of the Erechtheion, right? We're not looking at images of them where they are displayed now. When you go to the Acropolis and the Acropolis Museum, you will see that the original carytids are inside the museum. What you see at the actual site
01:09:34
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are exact replica casts of how they look now, if that makes sense, except for the one that is at the British Museum of Art. So if you go to the Acropolis Museum, there is a place waiting for the column that is at the British Museum of Art, along with a bunch of other stuff.
01:09:59
Speaker
Um, so that's really interesting. And that's also knowledge that like, I was a little bit privy to, and it was kind of interesting, you know, traveling with Juliana or even Rita for that matter, but kind of being like, wait, like in the Acropolis was the first place that we really went. And I was talking to Jill about this about like, wait, so like those aren't real. So it's like, what do we preserve? What do we take inside?
01:10:26
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And I mean, obviously I am clearly no expert on that, but I think the line probably gets moved with time. But I mean, the Acropolis is just like the pride and joy of Athens. So I mean, preservation is a must with that site, but it is just incredibly interesting. So as cute as it was to be like, don't tell me this is authentic. Like this can not be real. Like, wait, is that real? Is that fake?
01:10:55
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it's it's a lot like it it's a lot yeah there's something interesting to the idea of perception when it comes to objects and there are moments yeah i think every kind of person who who loves art or has a favorite work of art has that moment
01:11:14
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when they've been waiting to see something in person for so long and we're so used to seeing it digitized, seeing all these digitized works from afar. And when you finally get there, you have this moment of, wait, what? Right, I'm not looking at the real thing or on the flip side, I get to see these things up close and that was not their original intent.
01:11:43
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The cool thing about the Acropolis Museum is that it is such an amazing museum. It's really cool and surprisingly it has some controversy. People don't like the architecture, which is wild because the architecture is not the star of the show. The architecture is a facility.
01:12:04
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and is an exact replica of how you would walk in the Parthenon. It's just there to be a model for you. It's not there to be like a big, beautiful building. It's a tool. And I think people just don't like it because they don't think it's pretty. But I thought it was incredible. But when you're looking at things up close like these ginormous metopes, for example, or even
01:12:34
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We have the ability to look at that up close because of the way it's displayed, and that was not its original intent. It's just crazy. Right. Same with David and things like that. Yeah, right. It really does take your breath away.
01:12:52
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Yeah, I thought that museum was lovely and it's like all glass, so you can also have a view of the Acropolis while you're there. Yeah. But there were a lot of other things that I would love to talk to you guys about, but I know that we are running out of time. Obviously, anywhere you go in Greece is just like
01:13:12
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This could be an excavation site so like building is super weird, but there was interesting discussion about their new Like subway station and this kind of metro area that was built on top of a grave site actually and they have a skeleton on display in this metro station and
01:13:33
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I talked to one of my tour guides about it, about what her thoughts were about bones on display, bodies on display. I didn't come across bones on display as much on this trip as I did in Eastern Europe. Everywhere you go, people have different opinions about it.
01:13:55
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But at the end of the day, it's like civilization has continued, Athens needed a metro station. What do you do? It's wild. Totally. But to put the body on display in the metro station, Bianca, you might have to piggyback on that later. Yeah, that's interesting. I know that's a similar problem with Rome too. You can't do a lot of digging in Rome because of that same issue and you have to travel outside of the city to get your gasoline.
01:14:24
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because they can't have pipes run up through the city. Well, Gianna, thank you so much for sharing your adventures with us today. I am for sure aware that that was a lovely hot mess, but I hope you guys had fun. I think that's a nice fun episode to come back to.
01:14:46
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Yeah. And next week, like you said, we have two very special guests joining us. So we'll be back next week with Audrey and CME. So do you want to, any last, any last words? Just, I don't know, hold on to your key chain, ladies. And you know, we'll talk to you all next week. Bye everyone. Bye.
01:15:10
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Art Pop Talk's executive producers are me, Bianca Martucci-Vinc. And me, Gianna Martucci-Vinc. Music and sounds are by Josh Turner and photography is by Adrian Turner. And our graphic designer is Sid Hammond.
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