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The American Craftsman Podcast Ep. 3 | Is The Festool Domino Cheating?
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On Episode 3 of The American Craftsman Podcast hosted by Greene Street Joinery we discuss the topic of hand tools vs power tools and if the Festool Domino is cheating.
Beer of the Week (Labatt Blue): https://www.labattusa.com/beer/labatt-blue/
Tool of the Week (Pentel Graphlet): https://www.amazon.com/Pentel-Graphlet-Mechanical-Pencil-PG505-AD/dp/B0017OP2E2?th=1
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Transcript
Introduction & Episode Setup
00:00:25
Speaker
Well, welcome everybody. This is our third broadcast of our podcast series.
00:00:40
Speaker
I just want to say hello and we're just going to start getting into what we're talking about today. We don't need any more introductions while you guys know who we are. Again? Yeah. He's not plugged in. Don't get him riled up. All right. We're going to start now.
Camping Adventures & Bear Encounters
00:01:06
Speaker
Rich is back in camping. Take two.
00:01:09
Speaker
This is. We got good levels. Yeah. Oh, well, we always got good levels. I see the green stuff. I don't see any red. Well, you will. If you talk a little bit louder, right? I see. Well, it's not red. That's pink. No, it's yellow. Yellow. There you go. Perfect. Welcome, everybody. This is our third podcast. Is it? We have a weekly series. How often do we do these things? We do it every week. See, that's why it's called a weekly series.
00:01:40
Speaker
I'd like to welcome Rich back from his camping adventure. Yeah, welcome back. Yes, I was away for three days. I was up in the Catskills doing some nice relaxing and getting away from all the tension that builds up in this shop. I'm just kidding. Is it true the room you had a face to face encounter with a grizzly? It wasn't a grizzly. It was a black bear.
00:02:05
Speaker
And I've been going up to this campsite a number of years, and this is the first time I heard every mention of a black bear. Though I never really saw the black bear. I'm taking on the word from the people that were staying across the way from us, that the black bear was right there on their site. That was probably a stray dog. A raccoon. Well, people were hitting pots and pans and yelling, bear, bear, bear.
00:02:34
Speaker
Bad mushroom trip. Again. Either that or somebody streaking through the campground. It wasn't me. I never got to see the bear.
Beer of the Week: Labatt Blue
00:02:44
Speaker
Anyway, our beer of the week. And today it's my choice. So of course I was up in the northern part of the country and I decided to get something that represents the northern area. A little out of town beer.
00:03:00
Speaker
Exotic. Yeah. It's not exotic. The pouch is being opened and the first beer comes out. Oh, I haven't seen this in a while. And what is it, Rich? It's Labatt Blue. Labatt Blue. Made in Canada.
00:03:18
Speaker
Is this going to require any kind of special tool to open? I don't know. I'll tell you right now. Nope. It opens up with a twist off. I've seen some people on Molson Triple X do some pretty crazy stuff. Another Canadian beer. Cheers Ricardo. Cheers. A Canadian Pilsner right on the label instructs us. Pilsner. Is that how they say it up there?
00:03:45
Speaker
Quite refreshing. Got a little kick to it. Imported. Better than what I was expecting. Now that's a reindulgent. It's not as bad as I was expecting. No, pretty good. I was going to get some Utica Club, but I couldn't find it in bottles or cans up there. That just makes me think of like club soda.
00:04:11
Speaker
but it is kind of like a cause light on the Budweiser. That's exactly what it's like. It's just like a cause light in Budweiser because they didn't have cause light up there and they had Bud Light and I didn't want Bud Light. Yeah. So I had the Utica. Thank you. It's weird. You know, the girl said the same thing. Pilsner spelled P-I-L-S-E-N-E-R. Pilsner. Yeah. Pilsner. But on, you know, everything I've seen from the U.S., it's spelled P-I-L.
00:04:40
Speaker
S-N-E-R. We're a little bit more economical with our words. Less letters. We get confused very easily. Exactly. It's that public education system.
Career Journey & Craftsmanship
00:04:52
Speaker
Well, the third part of our story here, or part of our podcast, is the woodworking back story. And today it's Jeff's turn to tell everybody about his journey to this great organization. Yeah. Yeah, we're going to have to find something to fill this time, I guess, in the coming weeks. Yes. Because we're all out of back story. So front story.
00:05:17
Speaker
that's
00:05:36
Speaker
So I'm working in a restaurant in 2012 when Hurricane Sandy hits. We're here in Monmouth County, New Jersey. So Hurricane Sandy wiped out a lot. And actually, it's eight years in about four weeks, maybe three weeks. And a lot of the areas are still recovering.
00:05:59
Speaker
Yeah, there are still houses yet to be raised or they never got the insurance money or any of that sort of federal lending to raise their homes. And they wound up having to abandon them because they couldn't get insurance. Yeah. Yeah, towns like Highlands, where I was living and working. I mean, I haven't been down there in, I don't know, maybe a year, but the town still wasn't the same going back two years ago.
00:06:23
Speaker
Anyway, so the restaurant I'm working at, you know, got hit by Sandy, you know, very hard. My house had seven feet of water, lost my house, my car, and now my job because this restaurant is completely destroyed. You know, so it's not going to be open for God knows how long.
00:06:40
Speaker
, and
00:07:01
Speaker
He started working with this contractor just to pick up some part-time work. And he wanted to know if anybody from the restaurant was interested because we know you're going to be out of work for a while. So I said, yeah, I have nothing else going for me right now. My whole life has been sort of turned upside down.
00:07:18
Speaker
So I go and I start working with this guy. We're doing tearouts of sheetrock, patching sheetrock. Basically, we're doing repairs for the storm. I did a little bit of trim work, framing, all that good stuff. So after a while, I worked for this guy for about a year. And the work kind of dries up. I go back to bartending for a little bit.
00:07:43
Speaker
Then I get a job with this custom builder over in Little Silver, which is where I happen to meet these guys. So I worked for this guy Paul for six years as the lead Finnish carpenter. Basically, I wouldn't say running the job, but working directly with the project manager throughout the whole Finnish aspect of every job. How long were you with Paul before you met us at Darken?
00:08:10
Speaker
Well, met you guys in 2016 and I left in, let's see, it's 2020. I've been here for a year. I was at Tom's. Must've been 18 months before that. So had to be a good three, three, four years.
00:08:39
Speaker
Well, it was towards the tail end. So probably four years, five years. It was right before I got married. We got married in October 2016. And it was right before that that you guys were. You realize you were pointing to Rob when you said we got married. Yeah. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Rob has been mistaken for my father on more than one, once on Instagram, once at the T-shirt. That's true.
00:09:05
Speaker
We're three generations strong here. Yeah, yeah. Four if you count my son. That's right.
Work Dynamics & Shop Humor
00:09:12
Speaker
So anyway. That makes me the oldest. You are the oldest. You just said we haven't a son in his order somehow.
00:09:20
Speaker
So yeah, working in the house in Atlantic Islands. Meet these guys. I think I met Rob first. He came in to measure for the mantle or something. We struck up a conversation. Rob gave me his story about working in San Francisco. And we started to riff because we had both worked in restaurants. And the music was on. It was nice. Yeah, yeah.
00:09:45
Speaker
Rich came in as the kitchen installer you know when the kitchen cabinet showed up and and you know Rob came back in to help Rich and after that you know I didn't see these guys for you know a year and a half two years I'm working at a house down in Seager I get a call said oh yeah I ran into Tom he's looking for an installer
00:10:10
Speaker
So I knew Tom. We butt heads the minute that we met. I was at the job early one morning. We would put polyurethane down on the floor before the cabinets came because we used unfinished hardwood. So the floors would get sanded, finished. This way, if any water got underneath of the cabinets, it was protected.
00:10:31
Speaker
so he comes in immediately he's busting my balls about what are you doing blah blah blah meanwhile this is seven o'clock in the morning so I'm there well early you say why do you you don't have to do this so anyway he just run me the wrong way oh no not
00:10:48
Speaker
Tom. He usually starts unplugging your things too. That's another one of his characteristics. He turned my radio down a couple of times. Oh, he was famous for that. All the other job sites. He always did stories. Turning people's radios off. I've heard stories about guys having bad reactions to that, which rightfully so. You don't touch another guy's, you don't touch another guy's tools or anything on a job without asking.
00:11:15
Speaker
So I get this call, I go in, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm a little stuck in a rut where I'm at, um, sort of hit the, the pace dealing first of all, and the, just the skill. I felt like I wasn't, I wanted to learn more. I wanted to do more.
00:11:30
Speaker
And I kind of had done everything that I could have, you know, the creativity ceiling. Yeah. So I go, I interview and I end up taking the position that Rich held prior to that. So Richard left. Yes, because of my wife's fat pension, I left.
00:11:48
Speaker
So I, I take over as the installer and, you know, working in the shop when there's no installs going on. And I was on sabbatical at that time. Yeah. Rob was working on that kitchen cherry, cherry maple kitchen and. And yeah, I still remember Lou because I wasn't sure if I was going to go back. I mean, Lou.
00:12:14
Speaker
This other guy called me and he said, oh, you're going to love the new guy. I remember asking because I knew who Rich was because the whole situation was explained to me about him leaving to go.
00:12:30
Speaker
the fifth
00:12:48
Speaker
and I think they may have said something about you coming back. Yeah. So then, I don't know what it was, maybe four or six weeks later. It was right around the time Hunter was born. So my son was born in June. I think I got there right before he was born. Yeah, it must have been like a week or two before. And I started there in May. So a month later, you were back.
00:13:08
Speaker
and you know everything all a new job always starts out as exciting to move and then you start to see you are all the crack links and yet cracks are, there are a lot of this you can lose motivation very quickly because you know when you hold yourself to a high standard you
00:13:37
Speaker
So there was always sort of this, well, I shouldn't say always. We really worked hard to try and make some changes at this shop. Yeah. I mean, there were times where we were, you know, we actually believed when we were told it would happen that we were going to embark on new methodologies because there was, you know, yearning to improve and learn and stretch ourselves. It's called drinking the Kool-Aid.
00:14:05
Speaker
Yeah, it was serving it out in like those big buckets. Yeah, like that big gulp you get at like 7-11 with that big handle. Well, the problem with this gentleman, Tom, is that you can never have an idea. That's one of them. It's what he said it went. No matter what you said or tried to do, it always was squashed.
00:14:31
Speaker
And it could be the greatest idea in the world. Yeah, like slicing bread or something like that instead of buying
Starting a Custom Woodworking Shop
00:14:37
Speaker
it in the whole loaf.
00:14:38
Speaker
Yeah, we had the technology to big bread. Yeah. So what did you learn at Tom's? We won't even get into what I learned not to do. I learned more of that than what I learned. Yeah. I mean, because he has a big shop. It's about a 5,000 square foot shop, about five times the size of our shop here. Yeah, with 20 foot ceilings. Yeah, yeah. It's like a two story building with just one floor.
00:15:07
Speaker
It's got a lot of potentially nice machines and tools. It's just, you know, the upkeep isn't quite there. So there's quite the potential. Right. And we tried, you know, because we, I don't know, we had illusions of grandeur that we could, you know, help turn this company around, help them make some money and do things the right way. We spent 45 hours a week there, we wanted to. Yeah, not to, you know, we spent
00:15:32
Speaker
no
00:15:47
Speaker
the fifth
00:16:09
Speaker
just before Christmas. No, it was the day after Christmas. I was off on Christmas when I came back in. Did you get a bonus too? Didn't they say that they were the first time they made money because of you working there? That is the God's honest truth. The two owners sat me down and
00:16:28
Speaker
literally told me after being in business for five years, it was the first year that they'd turned a profit and it was all down to me. This is not me blowing my own horn. And it was just due to having somebody there who I think cared and worked hard. I mean, it could have been any other person with the same sort of work ethic, but yeah. And by the way, we're laying you off now.
00:16:58
Speaker
We'll call you in two weeks. We promise.
00:17:05
Speaker
Yeah. And yeah, the story sort of picks up. We picked up the story a couple of weeks ago from there, where we all get together and form this company. But yeah, that's how I got into it. I was a finished carpenter. First, just basically a laborer to a finished carpenter, to a cabinet maker, to now part owner of a custom shop, a real custom shop. I mean, you could even talk a little bit about
00:17:34
Speaker
You know your beginnings here and now we've been in business for almost exactly here just the things that you've been able to experience in this year and it's all at your own hands really i mean it's just being able to.
00:17:52
Speaker
you know follow your own drumbeat yeah having the control to I don't even know if control is the right word the opportunity to you know create your own opportunity and destiny and whatever you know we got to travel to Vegas I went to Atlanta we get to do you know basically do the work that we want to do and not bend as much to the will of designers and clients
00:18:20
Speaker
I mean, when we want to do something, not to sound pretentious, but we decided a way that we want to do it.
00:18:29
Speaker
And we try to persuade the clients to go along with our vision. It's not a hard sell. We really believe in this. And most of the time, the clients trust us. That's really what it is. It's about building trust and things like with Cheryl's
00:18:53
Speaker
I guess you'd call it like an office chest of some sort. You know, a lot of these things, we have the freedom to be fluid even as the build process is going on. And this thing was cherry and it had about an inch and a quarter, inch and a half inch thick.
00:19:10
Speaker
slab with a with a curve at the top and just as you know how about if we put like this piece of walnut right in here and I lay it in and we go oh yeah that would look good until we spent the time and built up those skills you know this is this is how we we grow here and push ourselves
00:19:30
Speaker
And it's never a baseless argument. We're not doing this to pat ourselves on the back. No. It's because there's a real reason why we want to do things a certain way.
Hard Work & Risk-Taking in Business
00:19:42
Speaker
It's not just for our own selfish desires. Yeah, no. We're not the greatest thing to ever happen or anything like that. We're three guys. We're always learning and getting better.
00:19:54
Speaker
that's right
00:20:11
Speaker
There's going to be another story down the road about this table job that we're looking at right now. But again, I don't want to say anything. I don't want to mention anything about this. These things have to have a little space in between. Yes, but it's pretty interesting.
00:20:28
Speaker
It's like any sort of small business, the characters you encounter and the little things that happen, just day to day. There's always something that kind of amuses us here. But that was pretty interesting. I mean, it kind of shows, if you listen to all three of our stories,
00:20:48
Speaker
that it's almost like an everyman kind of journey that all of us come from somewhere else with just an interest in woodworking and it's almost like just about anything else though. It takes application, desire, hard work, risk-taking. Yeah, definitely a risk.
00:21:09
Speaker
Definitely. A lot of things are all in common for all of us. So it's possible for others. You know, if you're listening, you know, take the leap, take the leap. I've said it to you guys before, you know, I've I've operated since the beginning under basically under fear.
00:21:26
Speaker
That's right. You just have this fear in the pit of your stomach that you're going to get found out, that you don't know as much as either you people think you know or that you you make it seem that you know. So I always. What are you saying there, Jeff? I would go home at the end of the day as a finished carpenter and watch videos and read and always trying to get better because I felt like I was going to get found out there and they're going to say, this guy's been doing this for six months. He doesn't know shit.
00:21:55
Speaker
Well, Rich and I is the old timers here. I know I can speak for him when I say that Jeff is a very adept learner. Yes. Really motivated. In fact, we turn to him all the time, especially if it's something that we don't have any experience in because he's going to learn it first and fastest.
00:22:15
Speaker
And this way, I don't have to do it. And if I mess up, you can believe what I mean. That's a general shop rule. If you're not present when something goes wrong, it is your fault. Exactly. I'm sure I was guilty of something less in the last two days because I wasn't here.
00:22:36
Speaker
You could just visit the shop and get laid or something. That's right. Weeks later, or even months. We had an intern here for a month or two and she's still being laid for the things. Poor woman. Who's a nice lady? Yeah, she was awesome. She was awesome. Cheers, Tara. Yeah.
00:22:55
Speaker
Well, I think talking about the whole idea of quality and all that kind of segues into this next part that we wanted to talk about. I had some people reach out and they said, basically, hey, I buy my doors and drawers. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not trying to cheat anybody or rip anybody off or claim to be something I'm not.
00:23:22
Speaker
So I figured, you know, we could talk about that and sort of clarify what we were getting at because no, of course not. If you're just a guy that has it's you and a couple other people or even just you and you can't make your own doors because you can't sell jobs for that price or take the time to do it. Well, that's one thing.
00:23:44
Speaker
What we were getting at is these big companies, these companies that are doing $1,500,000 kitchens a year. It's not right for them to buy the doors and the drawers. Because they're selling it as something else. That's really it. We take Umbridge at being lumped in with a company that has a shiny coat of paint.
00:24:11
Speaker
You know their door and says this is a totally custom piece of work because we have to compete against those companies and the client wants to know why is it so much more expensive and you know we're a little bit back on our heels but
00:24:29
Speaker
We're very confident and proud of what we do and we totally justify what we do and say this is the expense of doing the work as we do it. And here are the physical differences and the intrinsic and ephemeral differences in our piece, if you will.
00:24:51
Speaker
And we're very transparent. If we ever have a job where we have to purchase something that's a serious component of the piece, the table that Rich was referring to, for example, these pedestals. Well, if we're not making it, we're going to tell you that we're not making it. We're going to say it's coming from these people. We're going to stand behind the people that we're buying it from.
00:25:12
Speaker
Because that's just the right thing to do. Yeah. In fact, when we present our proposals, it's a full spreadsheet of material breakdown. But also, we write up what we're going to build. And the list, it's easier to have the list of exclusions say, we do everything if the job's walnut. Everything's made out of walnut FAS, five quarter gray matched.
00:25:36
Speaker
et cetera, et cetera, except these three things. And if it's a bought item, we name it, we, you know. Yeah, like the slides and. Yeah, all the hardware, sure.
00:25:48
Speaker
we don't make our own well no you we did you did make your own hardware for that uh job for anon yeah oh yeah yeah yeah we did those were very green and green yeah that that that's real cost effective work too would you get for those uh ten dollars a piece
00:26:08
Speaker
an hour each. Just sanding the little marks out. That was just making them, not designing them. Right, right. But that's what you get if you're a good customer of ours, a client. You add that because you want to. I suggested that. I fully know what's going to go into it. And you didn't say, I'm going to actually need $250 apiece for those. Right, right.
00:26:36
Speaker
because he appreciates it and he cherishes it and and I Loved making them. Yeah. Yeah, and it looks that much better, right? Yeah
00:26:47
Speaker
So yeah, all you guys out there that didn't understand that whole concept with buying versus making doors, it wasn't a put down to use small guys out there. I know there's this definitely for saving money, it's easier to buy doors and buy the draw box and all that, but then tell the customer that's what you're doing.
00:27:08
Speaker
Yeah, especially if you're doing raised panel doors and stuff like that. See, we make the choice to not really, I mean, we haven't built any yet raised panel doors because probably won't. It's not in our wheelhouse. No. So we stick to what we can do efficiently and the best way. We typically don't do any turnings or anything like that. We build flat panel doors, maybe with some applied moldings or something like that.
00:27:34
Speaker
You know, we won't, it doesn't fit our aesthetic, but we try and do what we can do ourselves because we like to do it all ourselves. Yeah, yeah. So thanks for calling us out on that. No offense at all. And let's move on to the next topic. Okay, you know what the next topic is? Tool of the week. Oh. And guess whose turn it is? Me. Now,
00:28:05
Speaker
What do you define as a tool in a shop? That's what you call colloquial. It's not just a piece of machinery or a plane or a ruler.
Essential Tools: The Mechanical Pencil
00:28:23
Speaker
tape measure, saw, saw. I define this and my pick this week is basically a very simple tool which is very indispensable to us and that is the mechanical pencil. Thank you, thank you. Two cheers for the mechanical pencil. Oh yeah.
00:28:45
Speaker
Now, I love to have the mechanical pencil and cast. If you saw last week's podcast, I had four of them in my Calavera apron, tool apron. So it's easy to just grab one. If that doesn't work, I grab the other one. But I like to have that feel of those extra pencils in there. So in case I'm missing something, I don't lose out. But how deep down into the four have you gotten? Have you gotten down to the last? Oh, I'm pretty sure I have. I'm pretty sure I've touched all four.
00:29:14
Speaker
probably on a job site though, not so much in the shop. True, true. But I started out with, this was the last pencil I bought, and this is a Pentel Grafflet? Yep. Is that right? Mm-hmm. Nine millimeter. I don't use the seven, I don't use the five, is it five? Yeah, five. They're too soft, and the tips keep breaking. But this is perfect. If your tip breaks, you just press it a couple of times, and you're back to writing again. And it leaves a nice,
00:29:43
Speaker
Nice, small line. The one before that was the one I used to get at Staples, which is the same. It's a Pentel 9 millimeter, but this is like... Yeah, they call it a Pentel Sharp. Yeah, this one's the lower end model. This one was pretty pricey, wasn't it? I think... No, it was like $70 probably. It was well worth it. And that's what I consider a valuable tool to the shop, because everybody uses a pencil.
00:30:13
Speaker
People use those carpenter pencils which are a pain in the rear end. Even the regular pencil, number two pencil, sorry, number two pencil, you have to sharpen it all the time. This at least always has a point or somewhat of a point that you can always write and make your marks with. But that's my tool of the week. Yeah, well we all use. We're all equally crazy about our choices, too.
00:30:42
Speaker
Yeah, I use the the Pentel Sharp. I started out with that too. I moved on to the Graph Gear 500. It's called, which is really similar to that graphlet. So this is not I think this was the highest end. Oh, no. Well, I don't know in terms of Pentel what is but I mean, Rob's got like thirty dollar pencils.
00:31:01
Speaker
Yeah, that's, there's another story. There's a day worth of looking on the web for pencils. One is lost somewhere. Yes. My little Italian. So yeah, I prefer the aluminum bodied Rotring. It's a German made pencil.
00:31:21
Speaker
And I actually go with a two millimeter lead that requires an additional fine point get put on it. Goes back to my drafting days, and that's why I prefer that style of lead. And it's not the incremental advance, but it has the little clasp jaws at the bottom. Yeah, so it just flies out. Well, it all depends on your technique, because when you're used to using those, you let it fall to, you know, you touch where it's going to go to.
00:31:49
Speaker
And so I have that, and I also have a similar pencil that has a colored lead in it. Right now it's got red lead. And I did have an Italian-made pencil that, unbeknownst to me, the word notebook meant, yes, it was a tiny pencil. So I took
00:32:10
Speaker
quite a bit of ribbing over my notebook pencil. I grown a, what do you call, a custom to it? And then I lost it, which you know sometimes.
00:32:22
Speaker
around here that gets lost. You don't know. Allegedly, it was lost. Well, you never know what somebody would have picked up and just thrown in the trash. What could happen? But we love our pencils here. Even pencil lead. I use very specific. I use the .9 as well. I use a Uniball.
00:32:43
Speaker
It's HB hardness The packaging is 100% in Japanese. Yeah, you know not a stitching. We can probably have a whole show Nano dia is called it's supposed to be diamond infused. Yeah, I mean we all use the Japanese lead because it is the best yeah, yeah, and I actually I keep a graphlet like that with Some some white lead here. Yeah, so this is for sewing
00:33:10
Speaker
called Soline. It's super soft, which I'm not a big fan of, but this is good for sapele, walnut, stuff like that. Yeah. That's like the tail is used to use the chalk. You know, that's nice to mark out the seams and stuff. So.
00:33:27
Speaker
Yeah, it's very waxy. I remember it. I could never do, even as a finished carpenter, I use the Pentel Sharp. I like it because the line ends up about the same width as the line on the tape measure. Yeah. So unless you're using a marking knife. I mean, good luck getting. I was a big number two pencil man for my whole life until
00:33:48
Speaker
I started working with you guys and I still have my old crank pencil sharpener on the wall.
00:33:59
Speaker
Nobody just saw that, but our sound almost hit my MacBook Pro directly in the screen. And the camera. Yeah, I got lucky there. I wonder whose side that was. Put that up. Oh yeah, all right.
00:34:19
Speaker
The thing about the pencil, though, is the number two. I was so finicky about the size of that pencil that I'd have to sharpen off about the first third of it to get to where it felt right. And you're like, that's short life because then they catch you off. Yeah, number two pencil is way too long. If you're trying to put it in your apron, it would stick out. Yeah. So you'd have to sharpen off the first third of it. Yeah. Well,
00:34:44
Speaker
We're all much better for it. Thank you for enlightening us, Rich, and bringing it up. I knew that would be a very good subject. And I'd like to hear from you guys out there, and women, with what you use, which was your favorite pencil. Yeah, if you're watching on YouTube, put it down in the comments. Send us a message on Instagram, whatever. Yeah, thanks. What's next? Topic of the week. Okay, yeah.
Hand Tools vs. Power Tools
00:35:08
Speaker
Okay, the topic of the week.
00:35:12
Speaker
Hand tools versus power tools. Now, how does this come into play? Well, let's say you're sitting at your bench and you have a choice of using a hand tool or power tool that'll do basically the same job. What do you pick up first? Yeah, why would you pick up a hand tool as opposed to a power tool? I mean, the power tool right off the bat seems like it's the easy choice.
00:35:39
Speaker
Yes, but the only drawback to that is to set up with a hand tool. You basically already it's already set up for you. You like your planes and all that. So if you wanted to knock an edge down, all you just got to do is run your plane through it. The same thing if you're using the smoothing plane. See, I got that. You instead of using a handheld electric joiner planer. It it just so much easier.
00:36:06
Speaker
Yeah, we don't really use that. That's more like a job site. To me, it's the laziness of me going to get the electric tool. If I got the hand tool right there in there in front of me. So that's so that's going to be your drive. Yeah, that's my driving force. Instead of me walking across the shop to get that tool. If I have the hand tool there, that's what I'm going with.
00:36:26
Speaker
Yeah. What about you, Jeff? Well, I'd say my most, the most frequent example of this for me is cleaning up edges on something that's been ripped on the table saw. You're a big planer. Yeah, I use the smoothing plane to just, you know, couple, three, four, you know, even less if, you know, depends on what blade you have in.
00:36:46
Speaker
to clean up an edge because sanding an edge sucks. You have to hold it up or clamp it in a certain way. And then you got to worry about that one little splinter. It just happens to find the spot on the sandpaper when you're breaking the edge and then that little piece just pops up.
00:37:04
Speaker
Yeah, or when you're sanding the flat, it'll rip the paper. Yeah. And you only have a one inch wide or a three quarter inch wide reference surface to reference the sander on, which makes it very difficult to keep square. So if you have a, you know, a good bench and a good work holding system, you can just clamp it up a couple of swipes with the plane and you're good to go. Good for doors.
00:37:28
Speaker
Like when we rip stock for doors, we'll put a dado in it, and then I like to clean them up with the plane to get either the joiner marks or the saw marks off. So what would you say is the biggest factor in why you would choose a hand tool? Well, the ease of use, because using a sander is so cumbersome on a narrow piece of stock like that. So you say it's actually when it's the better option?
00:37:51
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, a pass with a smoothing plane is going to leave you with whatever. We'll call it a thousand grit. Yeah. Paper finish. In reality, it's probably higher than that. But versus having to work to get saw marks out specifically, you're going to have to start at 100 grit and then go all the way up to 220 or whatever you're finished standing 320. The other thing is the noise.
00:38:18
Speaker
I don't want to stand there with a loud sander in my hand for 20 minutes. I'd like to be over here in the corner with a smoothing plane and do it that way. Yeah. That's number one for me. A lot of times you're here in the shop and it's not just you. It's you and two other guys. So even if you're doing something contemplative or what have you,
00:38:42
Speaker
There might be the jointer or planer or anything going at any given time so that the shop could be pretty noisy and even with you know if you put on ear protection then you kind of feel like you got this this muffled thing going on you just want to let your ears out to breathe and
00:39:02
Speaker
You can really get in a zone with a hand tool that you can't do with repetitive stuff on a machine. And that's what I enjoy as well. My favorite hand tools, probably the class of them is probably chisels. I mean, I love
00:39:22
Speaker
getting in there and just working with a chisel and just doing nothing crazy, just squaring up mortises or cleaning out grooves and things like that. Sometimes we have to do a little bit more than that with a chisel, but usually most of the heavy lifting is done with a machine, but then you can come over
00:39:45
Speaker
You come over to the bench, you turn that vice, you feel a little bit more authentic too once you start busting out those tools. We have a lot of nice hand tools. It's nice to get to use them. That's the other part. We get to use our stuff, which is part of the joy of doing the woodworking.
00:40:11
Speaker
Really a lot of the stuff we probably prefer to do with hand tools. Yeah, can we justify taking a hole? We make these the speed Yeah, we make these compromises a lot of times where yeah take a little longer to do something because we want to do it a certain way, right? We can't make that choice every time now the next thing you know The doors will be closed and lights are off right can't afford to do that. That might be a good topic
00:40:35
Speaker
coming down the road, you know, because we can sound all hardy and high and mighty with our ideals and how we build and do this. We should talk about the specific compromises that we do make in order to balance earning a living for three guys here in the Northeast. It's expensive. And, you know, cost of living in the country, I think. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, it takes some tap dancing on many occasions to get the
00:41:06
Speaker
to get the work and to put it out at a profit. These aren't gallery pieces. This is paid for and we've got to come in on budget or we lose money. We don't go back to the client and say, ah, it took us another week. Can you give us another check? No, that's on us. Yeah, and we don't pad the projects with a ton of profit because there's not that much meat left on the bone by the time you take the time to really do it the right way.
00:41:33
Speaker
Yeah, it's usually just the minimum. We go, can we make more than our base salary on this job? Can we get another 100 bucks each? Sometimes. That's the answer sometimes. Yeah, sometimes is the answer. Takes a lot of good luck, usually. Yeah, because after really the stars have to align and things have to get.
00:41:54
Speaker
Right. I mean, the other thing, almost everything we do, even though there are repetitive elements, it's going to have a lot of unique features because that's part of what we love and how we go about things. So we're going to have to figure it out as we're doing it each time. Yeah. The goal is, if you have a piece from us and someone walks into your house, they're not going to say, oh, where did you buy that?
00:42:21
Speaker
They're going to say, who built you that? Yeah. Where'd you get that? You know, it's going to be clear that it that it didn't get bought at a store. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And that's that's hopefully our next job. You know, that's that's how we stay in business. Yeah.
00:42:38
Speaker
All right. Is that it? Again, you know, urge people to write in because we love hearing from people. And that's what, you know, it's one of the best things about broadcasting, you know, what we do and what we think out there is to get feedback. Exactly. We like to get feedback from people. In fact, we got two questions for the viewer question of the week, but that's later on in the broadcast. But we like that.
00:43:07
Speaker
especially with that first clarifying buying versus making doors and drawers I mean you know if you want to explain ourselves you spend a day in here you'll know we got pretty thick skin oh yeah yeah and you know we're very opinionated it doesn't mean that your opinion is not valid we could take it yeah and i'm sure yeah we may think one thing and it may be you know
00:43:28
Speaker
Yeah. So what we got next is it's time for Rob's petty gripe of the week. All right. I can't wait to hear what this one is. Well, listen, it's the 23rd as we're filming this. You say filming or do you say tapering nowadays? Anyway, recording. We're recording. So and yesterday was the last day of summer.
00:43:55
Speaker
Ooh. Wow. Hooray! Today's petty gripe for the week is actually an anti-gripe.
00:44:05
Speaker
because summer is my least favorite season. And here in the Northeast, there's plenty of reasons not to like summer. Mosquitoes, 90 degrees with 95% humidity, trapped in the air conditioning. I mean, we have, I mean, we're blessed because our shop is small enough that we can air condition the entire place.
00:44:30
Speaker
Yeah. Yes. And so it keeps the wood dry. I mean, I remember the years where I didn't have it and there was dry. Yeah. There were weeks where I'd have to stop working because you couldn't build inset, you know, doors and drawers and little cabinets and things. And I had a hard time compensating for all the swelling. And then also, you know, you go into a nice climate controlled house, everything shrinks. But I digress. The streets are packed.
00:44:58
Speaker
Oh yeah, because we live on the shore. Yeah, lovely. Are referred to as Benny's. Yeah. Bayonne, Elizabeth, Newark, New York, which you guys are kind of guilty of. Yeah. Well, I never came out here when I didn't live here. I'm that demographic. No, I did. Yeah. And I'm here now 18 years, so.
00:45:19
Speaker
I'm a native. A lot of transplants around here. Yeah, yeah. Born in Brooklyn, live here in the same spot now for 18 years. So my anti-grip is hello fall, my favorite season. And again, here in the Northeast, it makes a difference. I lived in California for about 10, 12 years.
00:45:42
Speaker
It's not the same. It's just not the same. And I lived in Northern California. So I had access to Sonoma and Napa and all those places where I worked in San Francisco and we did a lot of work in wine country. It's great. It cools off. You got your sweatshirt on in the morning. We sat outside for lunch.
00:46:03
Speaker
I mean, it's glorious. It gets really dry all of a sudden. Fall in the Northeast is the best it can be, really. This time of year, too, and a little bit sooner than now.
00:46:22
Speaker
Like the, all of September basically is kind of referred to as like local summer. Yeah. All the local people get to actually enjoy summer because they went home. The weather got better.
00:46:36
Speaker
you know today was great it was sunny and the sun is nice and warm but it's cool enough outside to sit outside so what about you Rich? Plus it gives us a chance to or we'd like to have a barbecue not a barbecue but we usually break early on Fridays and we just sit outside we have a ring a fire pit yeah and we get to sit and we get to talk about
00:46:56
Speaker
what went on during the week and what our expectations are for next week. But I love the fall. I love Halloween. It's one of my favorite. It's not really a holiday, but I just love this time of year. I mean, you can get the Indian summer that drags on, but
00:47:13
Speaker
Once you get to this level, you can shut the air conditioners off in the house, open up your windows, and it's just enjoyable. It's just enjoyable. I love it. You'll get some people to argue that Halloween is a holiday. My wife being one of them. It's already started. When I was up in the Catskills, their people had Halloween decorations out already.
00:47:37
Speaker
Yeah, that's what I mean. It's too soon. So yeah, tell us. Halloween decorations now? Too soon? Too soon? Well, not too soon. Or too soon. Or even October. Yeah, I'm on the too soon. No, you know why? It also could be because this whole pandemic
00:47:56
Speaker
thing, people just want to do something. I mean I got a call from some, a relative of mine, wanted to know what the best wood for making tombstones was for the outside of the house. Was that like a like a surreptitious request for you to cut some wood for that? No, no. In fact, I said then just get a piece of plywood and make them out of that. You could seal the ends and all that because
00:48:23
Speaker
you're not going to get a piece of wood, glue it up, just to make a tombstone. It'll look like a cowboy tombstone if it splits. Exactly. Thinking like, you know, Wenge probably has a red color for that. He's asking me what would last out in the weather.
00:48:38
Speaker
And I don't want him thinking, well, teak, but you want to make a tombstone that's about $100? I don't think so. That's if he did it himself. If you did it. That's true. It would cost him nothing. I didn't want to do it anyway, so.
00:48:53
Speaker
I have enough favors I'm trying to catch up on. That's right. That's true. And the next time I'll mention the one that's going to be going out the door soon. We always know, because the phone rings, we hear Rich talking on the phone, we know it's usually one of his kids, and they're adults, you know, but you could hear how the conversation's going. It's one got, you know, whiff of another one getting something or, you know, getting
00:49:22
Speaker
a favor from dad. Rich is very generous with his time and so that can come back to haunt him a bit. He is. He is. He's a good dad. He's a good dad. Pop. Thank you. So it wasn't really a gripe. It was the anti gripe. It was a good subject. Because it's a beautiful fall. Breath of fresh air. Yeah, exactly.
00:49:50
Speaker
Yeah, I can't wait to open up the doors a little bit and open up the windows and get some regular... We never open up the doors and windows here. We're afraid of humidity.
Festool Domino vs. Mortise & Tenon Joints
00:50:03
Speaker
Yeah, we actually we had a guy called Matt who was picking up some scrap wood to burn his fire pit. He said, man, I can't believe you guys don't have the windows and doors open. We won't be able to sleep tonight. Yeah. And some levels were quite spoiled. Come in and have a twisted board.
00:50:23
Speaker
True. Well, we spent a lot of time. I mean, we we get the lumbering rough. We'll mill it down close. We sticker it again ourselves and then we'll mill it, you know, again, billing, meaning planing and jointing. Yeah. Yeah. Even then. Yeah. Yeah. It's wood. Yeah. It's going to move. Yeah. Does what it wants to. So you try and mitigate as much as you can. But what we got for the viewer question now, Jeff,
00:50:48
Speaker
So we're going to do actually two this week. The first question is, what do you think of the festival Domino? Is it cheating when replacing traditional mortise and tenon? That's from Blake in New Orleans, Louisiana. So what do you guys think? Go farce, Rich. Get a life, Blake. I'm only kidding. I'm only kidding. No, I don't consider it cheating. I think we don't have the equipment here to do
00:51:19
Speaker
mortises, we don't have a mortising machine, so we chose to do it with the domino machine. Maybe if we had a mortising machine, it would be a lot easier for us to do, but I don't have a problem using the domino at all. Before that, it was the biscuit joiner. Let me ask you this. Why would a mortising machine be less of a cheat than the domino?
00:51:45
Speaker
Well that's true because you're doing the same thing. You're using a machine to cut the mortise instead of chiseling it out by hand. I mean how we do all our mortise and tenons for the most part is on a table saw. That's true. For doors. So let's take a door. We'll basically use the dado blade and we'll run a groove down the edge of the board.
00:52:10
Speaker
We cut the tenons on the same setup. Basically, we use a little homemade sled, run across both sides, fit it. Sometimes we gotta bust out the shoulder plane to clean it up a little bit. Yeah, so now what, we really don't use the domino that much. We have a domino. We use it for like big doors. Yeah.
00:52:34
Speaker
Here's the right thing, if it's a hidden mortise and tenon joint, really, it doesn't make a difference. As long as you're not selling it as hand, not even hand cut, but I mean I guess it doesn't really make a difference even that way. It is a mortise, it's a floating tenon. That's an old fashioned technique as well, it's just instead of this specialized machine cutting an oval,
00:52:58
Speaker
you'd trim it out in a rectangle just like anything else and then your your domino was a rectangular hand cut you know piece of wood. I mean a lot of guys do it you know large scale with a router and a floating tenon so you do you even still have those it's just like a big domino just big mortise with round corners and a big slip tenon.
00:53:23
Speaker
I've even done it all the way to the end and just used it almost like you might see in a breadboard, you know, with, uh, with doors, you know, where you see the edge where the, you know, loose 10 goes all the way to the end of the door. And so you just have your little rectangle there inside, you know, both halves. Um, I mean, there's all kinds of ways to handle it, but what do you think Jeff cheating or not cheating?
00:53:47
Speaker
It's not cheating if as long as you're not billing it as something it's not. Just like the same thing with the doors and the drawers. Exactly. As long as you're not telling your client that you have hand cut mortise and tenon joints, then it's just another tool that makes our job a little bit easier so that we can focus that time and energy on something else.
00:54:06
Speaker
Right. And I mean, it's not a foolproof thing. I mean, it's a fast tool. It's built well, but things can happen. You still have to know how to use your tools to do these things.
00:54:19
Speaker
Yeah, and there's definitely some domino overkill out there. We see the guys doing edge glue ups. We don't use biscuits or dominoes. We just glue it up. If it's a board that needs a little persuasion, maybe we'll throw a couple in. But for the most part, if you join it and plane it flat and true, then it just glues up. Easy. I've seen guys put dominoes indoors with a stub tendon.
00:54:47
Speaker
so you have a mortise and tenon that's cut into the door and then they add a domino which seems like overkill we haven't had a stub tenon door open up ever
00:54:56
Speaker
no never yeah it's never is it's true i mean we've made a lot of doors yeah i've done a lot of mortis and tenon work so so no for you no for me it's a no for me too and uh just to re-emphasize what jeff said it's all about just being up front if you go into a client say yeah i'm gonna you know
00:55:19
Speaker
Hand-cut mortise and tenon and all these doors for you, and then you use a machine that's just misrepresentation right it's not cheating As far as like being a woodworker or not a woodworker. It's just misrepresenting what you're selling to the client Yeah, and I wouldn't if we're using the domino I wouldn't tell a client that we're using mortise and tenon I would say that we're using floating tenants. Yeah, that's what it is and
00:55:43
Speaker
Well, that's just the same question with a dovetail versus a hand-cut dovetail and using a dovetail machine. We used dovetail machine. We do hand-cut. Well, we have done hand-cut dovetails in the past. Well, we use that Keller jig. But we don't advertise that these are hand-cut dovetails in all draw boxes.
00:56:03
Speaker
If we wanted to do a through mortise, you know, that where you saw the bridal joint, you saw the end of the tenon coming through, you know, the style of a door or something, we would hand cut that. Yeah. You know, if we had a mortise machine, we'd use that. But if you want, you know, very skinny pins, well, it's the same thing. You don't have any choice but to hand cut them. Right. So I hope it answers your question, Balake.
00:56:30
Speaker
Palache? What is it? No. Key and Peele fans will chuckle. Which I'll let Jeff read out the next question also. Yeah. So this is from Brian Jones. I'm not not sure where you're from, Brian. We got this on Instagram. He asked scraper plane versus card scraper versus smoothing plane from Brian Jones.
00:56:58
Speaker
Never trust a guy with two first names. I didn't know Jones was a first name. Yeah, Joan. No, Jones. That's a woman's name, Joan. Yeah. A lot of famous Brian Joneses. So he put me down. I'm sorry. I apologize. You only have one first name. Brian Adams is more of a double first name. Yeah, there you go. So I know those of you who are just listening, you're not going to see this.
Card Scrapers vs. Smoothing Planes
00:57:23
Speaker
That's a Lee Nielsen scraper playing. It's a card scraper.
00:57:29
Speaker
And there's a number four smoother. So we're just kind of putting things out there for a visual reference. Two are obviously fairly large planes. One is a rectangular piece of metal. Yeah, that's a DFM made in Chicago. You want to go first this time, Jeff?
00:57:50
Speaker
uh yeah so i i'm not sure what brian is asking whether he's asking which we use most often or which is best for i guess dealing with difficult grain um
00:58:07
Speaker
So I guess it's kind of going to be a multi-faceted answer. You can fit one. Yeah. I mean, the thing I use the most, well, I don't know. I was going to say card scraper, but it's probably the smoother because I use the smoother for, like I said before, cleaning up edges, sometimes breaking edges. If it's a long piece, a lot of times I'll use the smoother because it keeps contact with the piece one-handed a little better because it's got all that weight out in front of it. What was I saying?
00:58:36
Speaker
Well, you're just kind of going to say why you would use each tool and when. Yeah, yeah. To be honest, the scraper plane I haven't used. Need to set it up and use it. It's a nice looking tool. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
00:58:53
Speaker
Lee Nielsen makes nice stuff. I don't know if they're even making this scraper plane anymore. I think they're only making the smaller ones. So honestly, I haven't personally used that scraper plane. I use the card scraper a lot. I used it today for just taking squeeze out off of some glue ups. And when I have difficult grain, I reach for the card scraper because the smoother is just a regular standard angle plane. And it doesn't really deal with reverse grain all that well.
00:59:23
Speaker
depends on what kind of pass you're taking stuff like that but so for difficult grain the scraper for regular everyday work you know more often I'm grabbing the smoothing plane yeah yeah me for me it's also the card scraper in fact if I had to choose you know a short list of tools to have in the shop
00:59:47
Speaker
the card scraper, you know, I'd have to see what they would be, how it was limited to it, but it'd definitely be on my shortlist. I use the card scraper all the time. I use it, you know, the traditional way with two hands on it, kind of getting that
01:00:03
Speaker
that bow in the middle for you know working around really tricky grain for leveling off joints one-handed for uh you know scraping glue from a joint even you know i can pull it down an edge to get the the table saw marks off or or maybe a little bit of chatter from the jointer
01:00:30
Speaker
I love the card scraper. I have four of them. And I like to just have them all tuned up and ready to go. Because when I feel it's starting to get a little dull, I just toss it to the side and grab another one without having to tune it up. And it's so inexpensive for what it does, too. I marvel at it for this seeming
01:00:55
Speaker
What about the goose neck and the French curve? You find you use them often? Yeah, I have. We all have. Everybody's got them. Once every six months. And it's only because there's a piece of molding or something like that. Because most of the time we get a piece of molding that we're going to need to sand. It's going to be a piece of sandpaper wrapped around something that fits that piece of molding. And I'm doing it by hand.
01:01:25
Speaker
You know, I'd only reach for that if I felt like I had to get off of an egregious gouge or something like that. But yeah, they're mostly decoration. Yes. Because we all have one of those sets, you know, but that's why, you know, we have them. What about you, Rich? I don't use any of them. I just take a sander. Now, my choice would probably be, again, the card scraper.
01:01:55
Speaker
Number one, it's not that expensive to get these. You do want to get them from a reputable place. There's a difference in the simple scraper. Yeah, so it definitely has to be a good one. They're easy to sharpen. And again, they're not that expensive. If you want to buy a card scraper plane, you're talking about
01:02:19
Speaker
that's
01:02:40
Speaker
the card scraper and then I use the smoothing plane. I don't get involved with that. Yeah. Because Rob's got a hidden to begin with. And he says, yeah, it's yeah, it's right there. But then again, I see him take about another five minutes trying to find out how to unlock. Yeah. Lock is the security area. Yeah. The scraper plane doesn't seem to be a very popular tool. No. Buddy Kevin on Instagram up in Canada. He set up his veritas. Veritas.
01:03:09
Speaker
I think so. Veritas or Lee Nielsen scraper plane. And he was pulling like beautiful shaving. So I'm a little jealous. I'd like to set it up. We're going to do that one of these days. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because we have to get into those how to videos. I know people are saying we should get into that more often. Yeah. And once we get everything set up and we have a lot of work coming in, we'll spend time and do those how to videos using a variety of these tools we have here.
01:03:39
Speaker
Yeah, if there's anything you want to see, let us know. Yeah, very good, very good. All right, thanks a lot, Brian. Yes, it was a... I hope we answered your question. I thought you were calling Rich Brian. Yeah, thanks, Brian. And if you meant something else by your question, let us know and we'll touch on it next time. Yeah.
Labatt Blue: A Simple Beer Review
01:03:58
Speaker
Which leaves us to our last thought, and that is the thought of the B of the Week.
01:04:07
Speaker
And since I brought the beer, I get to go last. So. I'll go. All right. La Bat. Blue Canadian Pilsener. Isn't it La Bat? La Bat. La Bat. I think it's La Bat. La Bat. Is that the way the Canadians say it? Or the Jerseyites? I don't know. Hey. Well, if you have some Canadian listeners, let us know. Yeah, let us know. How do you say it? Is it La Bat? Or La Bat. La Bat. Or something completely different. I mean, there's two T's.
01:04:36
Speaker
I say bat is B-A-T. Yeah, like a bat of yawn or a bat of. No, like a bat that flies. Like a bat of insulation is two T's. Yeah. Yeah, no, you're. Oh, does it? See, we're shooting your argument full of holes. Bot, bot, bot. It must be my European heritage. I'm not going to go now. It's quite varied.
01:04:59
Speaker
You know? I got in trouble the last time. That's right. We had to do some editing. I'll say that I drank it all. And I don't know. I mean, I didn't dislike it. It didn't stand out to me in any way at all. It was just kind of like a beer. That's how I would describe it. It's a beer.
01:05:26
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it wasn't bad. It tastes like a beer. It has like, this is like, we were talking about the Grosch last week. This is like a more basic sort of version of something like that. Has that same sort of... Didn't have like a real distinctive kind of taste to it. No, no, it's just a regular, kind of regular old beer.
01:05:46
Speaker
You'd drink a lot more of these than you probably should. Yeah, I mean, well, yeah. And you can see we all finished it 10, 15 minutes ago. Right, exactly. It's like drinking a diet soda. It's not like what happened to those craft beers when you just take it and you're going, it's got some bitter taste to it. Yeah, there's no bitterness there. This is, you're done.
01:06:09
Speaker
This is just, this is just a beer. It's a Canadian beer. It's just like getting up there, getting a Budweiser. Yes. This is the beer that they drink up there, Molson, Labat. He said it. Did you hear him? Toronto. He said Labat. You said Labat. That's what he said, Labat.
01:06:28
Speaker
It has, you know. That's what I said. You said it was your bad. It has more of a Pilsner taste. I'm going to check the video. Than like a Bud Light. It has more of that. You know, if you if you drink Heineken versus like a Bud Light, it has more of that bitter sort of Pilsner taste. And that's that's what this tastes more like to me. Yes, it does. It has that little bit. I'm sure it's good on tap. Oh, yeah. Because anything you get in a can or a bottle, it just doesn't have the same taste as a tapier.
01:06:55
Speaker
This is the kind we like to have, like, super cold. Should we do that? Bring in a whole keg and test it out? We'll have to change it every week. How do you think out there? You think we should bring a whole keg in here? No, it's going to have to be one of those small kegs. Like a beer ball. We'll get a fifth keg. Yeah. I wonder if we're going to have to contact Belford.
01:07:16
Speaker
Yeah, we have a brewery that's, as the crow flies, probably about a half a mile from here. And they make great beer. We had their beer at my wedding. Hopefully they're going to be a sponsor of us. Yeah. I keep asking. Yeah, I think we have to develop a little bit more of a listener or a crew. OK. Yeah, so a little better report. And then they'll be fighting over us. Not a bad position to be in. Yeah, well, then we're going to get pick and choose. Should have told you to do it before.
01:07:46
Speaker
Yeah. Get it on the ground level. Cheaper that way. Yeah. So we're going to say goodbye. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's it for today. I hope everybody has a great day. Yeah. Be well out there. Yep. And we'll see you again next week. Yep. All right. Thanks for listening. We went exactly an hour. Again? Yeah. So we're within a minute of five