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OPE Season 33 Episode Packers Pluck Seahawks
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Aloha and welcome to another episode of OPE! On this episode Mike returns and we are joined by writer for ohanapackers.org Carlos Silva!
We as usual fight through some technical difficulties to give our fresh, stale and moldy takes for the Packers win over the Seattle Seahawks
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Intro
Introduction of Joe and Carlos
00:00:23
Speaker
Aloha and welcome back to the Ohana Packers Edition podcast. The podcasts were Joe and I, well, I guess I'm back finally. Joe isn't alone anymore. And we're also joined by Carlos Silva, one of our esteemed writers at Ohana Packers Edition. So Carlos, first off, welcome to the show. Thank you for joining us. Carlos, where are you? Thank you for having me. Yeah, what time is it for you right now? It's 11 o'clock, so you're it's 11 o'clock.
00:00:49
Speaker
Okay, so yeah, not too bad Not too bad. No in Cal. Yeah, you guys what state y'all live in. I'm yem in California. So we're behind I'm Iowa. So I I'm I'm in the Midwest. So I'm it is currently 111 right now and now I'm out in the Pacific so I'm behind all of you 9-11.
00:01:13
Speaker
Oh What state is this?
Packers' 10th Victory and Playoff Prospects
00:01:17
Speaker
Oh wow
00:01:20
Speaker
But yeah, so the Packers wrapped up their 10th win of the season. Jordan Love has reached the height. Well, OK, you want to get super semantic about it. You know, only eight of the wins are under his record, but has led a team to double digit wins for the first time in his career. Packers have.
00:01:41
Speaker
basically all but sewn up a playoff spot at this point. there you know It's contingent on them winning, but also like if certain teams lose, they're pretty much locked in. So really good spot for the team to be in, especially after last season where they were in win or go home mode for like two months. but Lots to talk about today, lots to like about the game, and some not so great things popped up, but we'll go into our usual ah ah usual thoughts on the game. So, Joe.
00:02:12
Speaker
Carlos, please. Fresh cheese. Actually, Carlos, since you're our guest, yes. Fresh cheese. Carlos, since you're our guest, you're a fresh thought from the game last night.
Packers' Line Performance
00:02:23
Speaker
Oh, O-line dominated. I like the O-line dominated. And the defensive line did great, too. It's just the common theme of these games is when we get to the quarterback, our defense will start getting good. When we don't get to the quarterback, like you said, against the Lions, we just get cooked.
00:02:40
Speaker
this passage
00:02:44
Speaker
It's not me for once.
00:02:48
Speaker
yeah
00:02:51
Speaker
O-line, Carlos, you were on O-line and D-line. Don't worry. Like I said, this is the dance that Joey's forever doing with me. So hop back into it. D-line dominating. Go. Yeah, D-line dominated. O-line was pushing people around. It was very, very good to see.
00:03:11
Speaker
Eric Stokes actually didn't look bad for once. That's a plus. So that's the biggest, that's my three biggest takeaways from that game. Yep. All good points. It was, a I mean, we, we've talked about our keys to games for months of the season and it's when the line of scrimmage and the Packers definitely did that on Sunday night. Yeah. And I mean, like Carlos said, the O-line was really dominant. I don't think they even really got close to Jordan. Did they? i think Though only a couple weird plays and most of those are like Kind of like almost coverage plays you had the one where he Jordan broke the pocket He almost broke two defensive linemen's ankles and then he just couldn't quite get enough mustard on the football to hit Watson back in the middle of the field It was a little bit of one of those like oh no like don't make that throwth throw throws and then
00:04:04
Speaker
the other one was the one where they ran the hard play action and then Love probably could have gotten rid of the ball and then he like at the last second decided I'm not throwing it and it kind of just slipped out of his hand. Other than that I don't think he really saw that much pressure because other than that the only other time he really got rushed was because they were running you know some sort of a screen element or quick hitting scheme so like it it wasn't you know it there wasn't like immediate pressure in his face or anything like that so yeah it was yeah it's turf inside of fuck I don't even know what they call it anymore I still call it quest because that's what it started out as but what is it are they accurate sure I forget already or no they're the one I don't pay attention to the stadium games but just looking at the stats they only
00:04:54
Speaker
for QB hits, there were six, but there were no sacks. So, I mean, that's as clean a game as you can really have. He had his moments where he, like you said, he, he really didn't get enough on the ball or he didn't, you know, he had somebody in his face or something, but he had some of those moments, but overall You can't complain about the offensive line same with the defensive line. That was as dominant as they've been That was the Miami game defensive line, you know, that wasn't the Lions game defensive line Looking at it. We had two four five six seven eight nine eleven twelve QB hits and what was it seven sacks for the game so
00:05:44
Speaker
Like I said, that was the Miami defense. So my Miami game defense that we had hoped that they had turned the corner and then kind of fell flat against the lions, but now they're back. Hopefully they can continue to stack successes and, and really dominate going forward. Don't start doing that ship, Mike. I'm tired right now. And if I see you on, I'm going to pass. so from five thousand miles away it's my fault but no that sounds about right but no but yeah no like this was akin to not just that Miami game honestly it looked more like at times it looked like that Tennessee game where and you know Seattle's not terrible on their own line but there were times where they it looked like they just couldn't block anybody and
00:06:27
Speaker
Green Bay was getting pressure from anywhere and everywhere. it wasn't just blitzes. It was a lot of format looks and stuff. And that's really what you want to see at this point in the season. you know Rashawn is getting hotter. Kingsley is finishing plays, which you know was one of his buggers early in the season. He'd get to the quarterback or he'd get to a potential tackle for loss and it would just whiff and stuff. So finishing plays for Enigbari is a big thing. Carl Brooks is coming alive. Wyatt showed off the burst that he had to open the season before his injury.
00:06:59
Speaker
Kenny was like half a step away from a forced fumble. a lot of pressure from a lot of different guys. and And of course, you know Cooper was just lightning in a bottle whenever his number was called to attack the pocket. so Catholic came up with a really good game plan and really did protect his you know his compromised back end you know with Jair missing the game Bullard missing the game so was really good to see that attacking mindset from the front and they were able to get home and pressure the quarterback so really important you know especially because you know Gino was like
00:07:36
Speaker
12 for 12 or something like that to start the game or whatever
Concussion Protocols and Player Safety
00:07:39
Speaker
the hell it was. So um was really nice that in between if he wasn't completing the passes because he was on his ass and stuff. So that's really good to learn from this defense. But Joe, what was your fresh takeaway from the game?
00:07:56
Speaker
The main one that I got is well, I guess there's two main ones and they're the low hanging free to the group. And it's basically Christian Watson, Romeo Dobbs, and Josh Jacobs. You know, you can combine the Watson and and Dobbs ones as receiver play. and And then you got Josh Jacobs. I thought it was really weird, even though I kind of called it in the preview that I had to do by myself. Thanks a lot, Mike.
00:08:26
Speaker
Uh, the Seattle's run defense is like nil. They're like 22nd or 23rd or 24th and run defense. So you just need to start feeding and feeding and feeding. And then once they sell out to stop the run, play action, gimmick plays, you know, over the top throws, and they pretty much started out doing that and Josh Jacobs took it well. And you know, he looked really good.
00:08:56
Speaker
And then like I said, Christian Watson and Romeo Dobbs. It's great to see Romeo back out there. I'm still not used to seeing those frigging guardian caps. So it looked really weird, uh, with it on there. But Hey, if that's how he's comfortable playing, I think you can put up another game like he did. Do it, go for it. I am all for it.
00:09:19
Speaker
yeah it protect the Yeah, I think because I think because he wants to cut his head because when he caught that ball that amazing catch you can see that he kind of I think kind of banged his head on the thing and thank God Pretty hard. So it's pretty good that I think those learning catch are gonna become very useful I think players should consider wearing that to avoid concussions Now I'm gonna bring something up and I want you two to either tell me I'm full of shit or Agree with me or something, but I've got to bring it up I got into it on blue sky with Jason Hirsch on or however his name is pronounced. He, he said that at the beginning of the week, Romeo was still in the concussion protocol. And I said, that's a little bit concerning that we're in week three and Romeo's still in the concussion protocol. And we had this argument back and forth about it that, Oh, well he's, he's, you know, this is normal process, normal process. I said.
00:10:19
Speaker
Yeah, but they wouldn't keep him in the protocol this long if there was not some kind of concern still going on, whether it's him having a concern or the team having a concern. So, you know, like I said, we had this long back and forth. What are your guys's thought on that? Because we we just had Evan Williams, who was on the in the percussion ah concussion protocol the same way. You know, he went through the steps. Boom, boom, boom. He was back within a week.
00:10:49
Speaker
Now, I know not everybody heals the same, not every, you know, not every concussion is the same, but if that's taking you that long to go through those processes and then we see him come out with the guardian cap, there's a concern there, whether it's his or the team. Am I wrong or am, you know, what is your guy's opinions on it?
00:11:12
Speaker
I think more than anything, it just shows that there is no like one, you know, this isn't a one size fit all kind of thing. You know, Davante, he had that joke where he said like, because I think he had, I forget which year it was.
00:11:26
Speaker
but I'm pretty sure he had the one season where he got concussed on a Sunday and then he was cleared by Thursday for a Thursday night game or something like that and he joked and I hope he's okay but you know he joked he was like I'm just the fast healer kind of thing and stuff but and I do believe that one occurred before the protocol was really set into effect and that's the thing is it's like it's but when When you're in protocol, it's not a matter of how he feels or how the team thinks he feels or anything like that. That's the whole third-party medical professional and all that kind of stuff. so you know the It's all about baseline testing and all that kind of stuff. so you know okay so like To go the real like old-school way,
00:12:09
Speaker
And I know that they do like, you know, like, more like MRI level brainwaves, scans and all that kind of stuff. But, you know, it's the like, okay, here's like 12 letters, remember them. And if you can repeat them back kind of thing, you pass if you can't, you fail. So how many fingers am I holding up? Right? Yeah. And so like, let's just say for two and a half weeks, Romeo did not pass those. And, you know, it,
00:12:34
Speaker
I wouldn't necessarily go concerned like you said, Joe, but it's it goes into this really gray area. because so On one hand, you don't like seeing anyone get a concussion and you don't like seeing it take that long for them to recover, but at the same time,
00:12:52
Speaker
Dobbs, I don't believe has had one in the pros. I don't think he had one or at least not a reported one at Nevada. So it's hard to say. And maybe it was because it was pretty bad when he took like, like Carlos said, the the only difference between his head hitting the turf in Seattle and what he did in Green Bay is he fell on his back in Green Bay. And so it's the combination of his head, the whiplash of his head going back, you know, and then it also contacting the ground.
00:13:22
Speaker
So there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot of moving parts at work there. And then, you know, you would have thought that, you know, obviously we said it at the time, there was no way he was going to make the the Thanksgiving game because, you know, he heard he got gusting in San Fran. There's just no way that you're going to pass protocol in four days, you know, Devontae jokes aside.
00:13:43
Speaker
But then it was a little concerning that, you know, he was practicing, which means he's progressing through the protocol in between the Thanksgiving game and the Detroit game. But, you know, he's practicing, practicing. So he's making some kind of progress. But at the end of the day, he's not cleared through protocol to play against Detroit. And then we go into last week, Monday.
00:14:04
Speaker
when LeFlore has his you know opening of the week press conference and you know LeFlore drops the bombshell that, yeah, he's still in protocol. So long we did all that to say is like, I wouldn't say it's a concern, but I will agree with you that Dobbs is taking it very seriously where you know it took him he He missed two games with concussion. It took the equivalent of two and a half NFL weeks for him to get cleared. And therefore, I don't blame him or question his decision to wear the the Guardian cap to have that extra layer. know, whether it's a sense of security or
00:14:46
Speaker
I don't even want to get into the like he needed it or whatever you know if this is for his peace of mind or anything like that that's the thing is like it's not like wearing a cast on like a fracture a hairline fracture or an ankle brace or anything like that where it's like it's extra protection you either cleared protocol or you didn't so it's like it if I feel it as more for the peace of mind that it's like You know, it's like a band-aid on a broken leg kind of thing or anything like that. So, yeah, it's one of those where I'll only be concerned if he has another one before this year this season's over. That'll be where my concern level goes up. You also have to remember the pack of the very...
00:15:25
Speaker
conservative on injuries they are like they don't play around like they even play Jair even though he got Jair practice fully this week so yeah I remember the Packers take their time with these players they don't want to rush them back out there because they already they already messed up with Jair because they shouldn't have put him back on the Bears game and then boom he's missing a couple more weeks so I think especially on that shitty ass turf yeah agree that that was bad now We should hopefully, hopefully we'll get him on Monday, but we'll see, but they are considered with injuries. So I have to take that into consideration. Well, I get what both you're saying. and And it's not like I'm saying that, Oh man, this is, you know.
00:16:07
Speaker
This is bad news bad news. It's just it's worrisome because like I said Is it from his end where he's not you know, is he going to the doctors and saying hey, I'm still not feeling right I'm not sure about this or the doctors telling him hey your your tests aren't coming back. So that's where the concern comes in a little bit Yeah, you know, it's not so much that I I'm worried about this, you know any minor things it's it's is he You know is the the concussion severe enough that maybe we need to back off of it a little bit and just let him You know stay home and rest or is it that you know, and I wasn't trying to pick on the guardian cap For anything against him, but it just was weird that he came out and he had it on there so is it more that he's got concern in his head, you know that
00:17:00
Speaker
Hey man, this next hit I'm going to take is, you know, I'm going to get rocked and I'm going to get, it you know, are these symptoms going to come back? So that's where I'm saying the concern is. I'm not saying that it's concerning that the Packers are keeping them in the protocol. Oh yeah. more the What's going on with the injury. That's the concern part of it.
00:17:18
Speaker
I kind of do wonder because like I said I don't remember him having one in Nevada and I know he has I'm pretty certain he hasn't had one while he's you know with the Packers these two plus seasons so I do wonder if it's like you know first time you hurt something you're kind of like oh like I don't want that to happen again and stuff and you know there's no way to completely remove it from the game but I do wonder if you know suffering that one and to some degree, it was bad enough that you know he didn't clear protocol for you know over two weeks. So I do wonder if he was kind of like, yeah, don't want that happening again. So I'm kind of curious, you know, like the other part that we see a lot of guys wearing, you know, the guar wore it, Kiechli wore it a lot was that neck thing that, you know, that that thing that looked like a
00:18:05
Speaker
looks like a temple massage, but the one that's on their neck kind of thing. I was kind of surprised you didn't wear that because I know that one is supposed to help with the neck whiplash. So, but okay yeah, interrupt you for a minute. I just did a random type in to see what it would pull up for Romeo Dobbs injury. And they actually have an injury guide that goes all the way that has all the reported injuries for him.
00:18:27
Speaker
never knew they had a site like this, but I guess they do. In 2019, it says Dob suffered a head injury and the wolf packs lost at Oregon. So I'm going to assume the head injury is going to be some kind of concussion. So he hasn't had one since 2019. There you go.
00:18:48
Speaker
that's interesting Yeah, I've never seen this site before, so that that's weird that they have one. that has all you know like in I guess it's a fantasy outlook. So, you know, Hey, I wouldn't think that HIPAA laws would be violated in some of that shit, but who am I? but, and then just to kind of finish out the catches, both him and Watson, uh, made were just amazing. I said it during the game that it really looks like Watson is starting to step into what we thought he was. And, you know, obviously he's not a, uh, an amazing route runner, but he is that athletic freak.
00:19:27
Speaker
That is making the catches He's starting to get a little bit more physical remember earlier in the season when we were Complaining about how he wasn't getting those PI calls because he wasn't playing back towards the ball Guess what he did today or not today what he did Sunday night He was playing back to the ball and got the call. So long story short Christian Watson Romeo Dobbs and Josh Jacobs all are fresh for me
00:19:56
Speaker
Right on.
Jordan Love's Game Management
00:19:56
Speaker
Yeah. And on top of that, you know, just to get just to kind of put the icing on the cake for all of that. Love was really, really good. You know, there's a couple of throws I know he wish he had back. I think he wanted to put a little more air under the one that drew the DPI at the end of the first half.
00:20:17
Speaker
I know he had the one into the end zone on the one third down. I think that led to their first field goal where Dobbs looked like he was running to the corner and Love left the ball a little more up the field and you know Dobbs might have had enough time to adjust to it but he couldn't quite find the ball in time and then like I said there's a couple other ones where his ball placement was just slightly off and you And like the last one was at the very end of the game where he had Watson deep and he understood under through by about a step or two. And you could tell like he didn't want um Watson to have to make one of those like jumping catches where it almost looked like Watson kind of rolled up something at the end. And so.
00:20:57
Speaker
You know, it's like an a minus game for Bluff. I know that's being harsh, but, you know, we're at the point of the season where every throw matters, every play matters. And was on it, you know, he started the game something like 17 for 18. And, you know, they were like, oh, he was over his last four, but it's not like he was bad in those over four. There's some misfortune in there and stuff. And he had the one play where, like,
00:21:19
Speaker
he threw it to Watson and Watson didn't see the ball when it appeared from behind the linebacker kind of thing and stuff so um and he did was the thing with Dobbs in the end zone too where he put it and they had miscommunication yeah yeah so you know It was one of those words, love put the whole, you know, the you you put all like the social media hashtags like arm, angle hashtag arm angle, hashtag arm talent, and he put all of that on display on Sunday night. I know like the counting stats aren't super gaudy or anything, but it was just a really good
00:21:59
Speaker
You know, it it becomes a dirty term for a quarterback to say it was a ball control game from love, but it really was. He really did control the tempo of the game via his passing. He was efficient with his checkdowns. He was getting through his reels really quickly. Like I said, there was only that like couple of plays where he kind of held the ball too long and he it could have he could have been a little quicker to make a decision and stuff, but otherwise,
00:22:27
Speaker
yeah I just thought he had a really good game. And like I said, it's coming at the time of the year where you really need it from him.
00:22:37
Speaker
Any more fresh thoughts from you? Either of you. Carlos, Joe. I I ah you i said i think the D line is starting to pick up a little bit.
Defensive Line's Role in Playoff Success
00:22:46
Speaker
I'm loving it.
00:22:52
Speaker
failed out again. That's what we want. We don't want to, we don't have to blitz all the time. And that's great with Jair. We don't know what Jair is going to come back. So the deep line, I mean, like I can keep watching all day. I mean, yeah I think Lucas Van Ness, he didn't have a sack, but he was getting pressure. But, you know, the thing is that Rashawn Gary, he's getting back to his old self and Kenny Clark is getting back here. These guys can keep going, man. It's going to be dangerous in the playoffs. We got to keep it up though. We can't just fall off every,
00:23:20
Speaker
Every time we start to get high on the pass, we felt flat last week. Yeah, and I think that yeah i think that's kind of what. When play a team like Seattle, they want to throw the ball. They want to throw the ball a lot and you can attack them. Hang
00:23:37
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. No, but to kind of extend your point Carlos. Yeah. The D-line played up really well. I know. So it's one of those where when you're playing a team like, you know, Detroit, who wants to establish a running force and all that kind of stuff, you know, you're going to play a little more.
00:23:57
Speaker
Not conservatively necessarily, but you've got to play the you've got to play the run on your way to the quarterback and all that kind of stuff. So you can't sell out, whereas you know against the Seattle team where they really were controlling the line of scrimmage up front and they could snuff Seattle's run game for the most part of the game. you know safe Really safe for that that long touchdown run that Charbonnet had to make it 23 to 13. Other than that,
00:24:24
Speaker
Seattle wasn't really doing a damn thing on the ground all game. So Green Bay was able to just kind of pin their ears back at different points. And like I said, that's why I kind of looked at like that Tennessee game from earlier in the season. go Green Bay kind of just was able to have whatever they want at any point in time up front from pass for a standpoint. And it was just really good to see. I know that Seattle's O-line hasn't been great this season, but was good to see this defense take advantage of that. So yeah.
00:24:57
Speaker
Obviously, you're right, though, Carlos. You want to see a little more consistency across the board when you play up in opponents. Saints O-line is so, so decent. And then the Minnesota game in a couple of weeks is going to be the big ones. So big stepping stones for this group, but looks like they're priming up at the right time of year. So hope to see it moving forward. Joe, anything else you had for Fresh from Sunday?
00:25:25
Speaker
trying to find it here real quick.
00:25:30
Speaker
I'm trying to get the stat number out of it, but I can't seem to get it. Because Carlos and I were kind of talking about it before we started recording. And that was Eric Stokes. you know I got to give him a fresh this week. And per snap counts, he played 100% of the snaps.
00:25:53
Speaker
so you know, from playing almost no snaps at the beginning of the season to now he's playing every single snap, every single down. Uh, you know, I got to give it to him that he must be turning something around and, you know, doing the work and he's finally healthy.
Eric Stokes' Full Snap Participation
00:26:10
Speaker
You know, maybe I, I still agree with what Carlos said before recording that he's probably not back next year unless it's on like a very team friendly deal, but good on him to be playing, you know,
00:26:24
Speaker
We're seeing progress with him again. He's starting to look a little bit like he did when he is rookie season. So, you know, good on him. I really like it.
00:26:38
Speaker
Yeah, and then obviously we got to talk about Carrington. know, he had the back-to-back plays where he almost had a pick and, you know, it's not like he dropped it. Smith and Jigba made a nice play to rake the arm away. And then he, so the first play was like man coverage, basically. He stacks the route, doesn't let Smith and Jigba get up vertical up the field. and runs the route for him and it's it's a nice play by Smith and Jig, but a break up would have been an interception. And then on third down, he makes the right read in coverage, he sinks off as the cover to squat corner and gets underneath corner round and picks the ball off. So
00:27:17
Speaker
Really good to see from Valentine. You know, like you just said, Joe, it's most likely that Stokes isn't back with the team next year, but Valentine will be unless they draft like four corners in the draft. And for whatever reason, Valentine is squeezed out of it, but it's up like this ah ah next year's Anthony Johnson. j i I mean, never say never, but yeah, like it would take something like that to happen. But it's good to just see them you know roll with what they've got. And you know Valentine's got a skill set that you'd like, especially in this defense. And it's good to see him have some production that kind of goes with what most of his play has looked like this season. So good to see him back in.
00:28:04
Speaker
The good grace is there. But no one else has anything super fresh, Joe. Let's move on. We'll let Carlos lead off with the the stale. Oh, I got to hit the button, though, don't I? What's the stale shit?
Offensive Struggles and Missed Opportunities
00:28:22
Speaker
um anything that stuck out as stale for you this week?
00:28:30
Speaker
That was pretty hard to watch. did you should put forty t on these yeah you But I'm happy to take secondhand offense off of you, but the ball, I wouldn't win.
00:28:49
Speaker
Hang on just a second. I'm having a hard time hearing. Are you hearing the mic? Yeah, I can hear him. So yeah, Carlos was pointing out is like the second half offense was the definition of stale. know they had They weren't as consistent moving the ball. You had some disjointed drives. And they it took LaFleur a little while to adjust the run game because, yeah, they you know right after the fumble, um they posted like just Jacob's stats. and i think after the the drive after the fumble, he was something of like seven rushes for eight yards with the fumble yeah to toe. And I think a big part of it is like,
00:29:26
Speaker
So from halftime on, Seattle basically said, we're just going to jam the line of scrimmage whenever you show any sort of a run look. And it took LaFleur a little too long to adjust out of that, you know whether it was you know throwing on early downs or you know reincorporating the the Jaden Reed sweeps or things like you know the push pass or the jet sweeps and stuff. It took a little time to really take advantage of Seattle being so aggressive. and Part of that is Seattle just overloading the box, but also part of it is like Green Bay just had some boneheaded mistakes, you know the the first third down that the offense faced in the second half they just don't block Leonard Williams for some reason and Jacobs gets buried in the backfield, but even the play before that It looked like Jacobs had room to bounce that second and to run and he kind of just ran into the pile so a little bit of like
00:30:21
Speaker
inefficient play by everyone involved on offense to start. but And then obviously punctuated by the the fumble that led to Seattle's only touchdown of the game. So yeah, you don't like seeing lows like that, but you know providing yourself with a 17 point lead at multiple points in the game, it allows you to work through some lows. And granted, I know the floor wasn't trying his hardest to problem solve as the game went on, but I agree with Carlos. This is a game that you should have put 40 on the board. like It was a little disappointing that you you kind of like got stuck at 23 for the longest time in the game. So it it would have been nice to see at least one more touchdown on the game because it it felt like they, I don't want to say they deserved it, but they played to a level that you expected them to have scored one more touchdown on the night.
00:31:22
Speaker
right what's your station for me real quick Carlos so I know I'm yes he's a little distant for me I think he's I think he's compensated for the echo so me know yeah I can hear you I can hear you it's just real light but yeah that that offense And I'll cover a little bit more of it in in our moldy section, but yeah, that second hat offense was not great, but really there's not too much stale that you can sit here and point at. I mean, this was a pretty solid game. I know Carlos and I kind of talked about it before recording, you know, Kishon sure didn't look great for the most part, but
00:32:16
Speaker
You know, they put him back in the slot and he, he's not really been a good slot defender. Uh, so yeah, that, that wasn't great. Uh, okay. I got one. I do have one and I just, it popped in my head and I could be, again, this could be something I'm completely wrong about. You guys can tell me I'm wrong or whatever. Uh, it always seems like.
00:32:46
Speaker
Every time there is a report saying so-and-so so-and-so is not happy about the number of targets they're getting, that next week the Packers are overcompensating for it. So, you know, there was a rumor that Watson wasn't happy with the way things were going. What did they do? They immediately threw them out there and just started targeting them left and right.
00:33:06
Speaker
Dobbs, what was the rumor about Dobbs getting suspended for the game and not making contact? He wasn't happy with his role. So what'd they do when they brought him back? They immediately started targeting him. Now the last couple of weeks, it's been, oh, well, Jaden Reed's not getting targeted and he's not, you know, he's not getting used like he, and he's not happy and all this stuff. What did they do? They went out and just continuously targeted Jaden Reed. I'm not against targeting these guys, but it's,
00:33:35
Speaker
What makes it stale is the fact that they overcompensate from something that we hear as a rumor. So that puts to, how do I want to put that? It kind of, uh,
00:33:49
Speaker
it kind of leads to the, the rumor mongers that they were right. So then they go out and continuously start pushing these rumors again that You know, okay, well this is going on. So yeah, I thought they were they were kind of forcing way too much with the Jaden Reid stuff Not that the you know, I'm against using Jaden Reid But you know, let's not overcompensate with some of these targets Yeah, you can kind of take it that way I think I think this is kind of a byproduct of the fact that this team just has so many weapons and it's
00:34:29
Speaker
You know, everyone wants to know who's the top, you know, who's the top of the target list and all that kind of crap and stuff. And it really just comes down to who's the matchup, you know, who's the positive matchup in any, you know, any one game scenario. You know, you know, last week, especially with no Dobbs, Watson was the guy because yeah As good as Detroit's secondary has been, they do have athlemic limitation athletic limitations, problems with dealing with deep speed. And you saw it on that one play where you know Love hit Watson up the sideline and it looked like both Carlton and ah Kirby Joseph were running in quicksand on that play. And tonight, you know, Tariq Wulin is a guy who, you know, he's super athletic, but at times he doesn't find the football. And that's how you kind of end up with some deep shots to Watson and also some opportunities where it's just throw the ball up and see if you can draw a flag, which they did do in a couple of scenarios. Griffin falls into that category to the other starting corner for the, or not Griffin, shoot.
00:35:36
Speaker
just fogging up. Griffin plays for the Vikings now. This is what happens when you watch football in the same day as you record a show. um but And then today with Reed, it's like like I said, a lot of Reed's touches are a result of Seattle jamming the box. And it's like, okay, what do we do? We're going to use Reed on mixed direction and stuff. so I think there's a little there might be a little bit to it where it's like, OK, we do want to get back to featuring this guy and all that kind of stuff. But like I mean, last week against Detroit, they threw the ball to you, Jayden, and you dropped it. So it's like it's hard to be upset when you don't catch the ball when it is thrown to you. And sure, there could be more targets, more touches, and all that kind of stuff. But it's also game scenario and all. and
00:36:21
Speaker
And like I said, I do think not having Dobbs the last two weeks, it it it messes up their hierarchy because Dobbs is the guy that, you know, he's not the sexy option. You know, he's the quote unquote least talented of the receivers on the roster and all this kind of crap. But it's like, he's the guy that they trust to do all the quote unquote standard receiver things and He's the one who's running the dig or the stuff in the middle of the field so that Watson can go deep or so that Reed can be used as gadget player and be you know just wide open on most of the plays in a game and stuff. So each guy plays their part. Yes, they can function without a guy here and there, but this team operates at its best when it has all of its weapons complementing each other because they can just throw the kitchen sink at you and
00:37:14
Speaker
Very few teams have the ability to cover all of those different guys. You know you have Watson who can stretch you deep. You can now you have Dobbs who can work the intermediate and medium deep parts of the field. And then you have Reed who just can catch the ball anywhere and take it the distance. so And then outside of that, you have Tucker Craft that you have to deal with. And then Jacobs will come and just run through your face if you stay light in the box. So I do think it's a little bit of a, it's a little bit of a, you know for the floor even there's some feeling out to it because as much as guys had certain roles coming into the season you know players improve players change you know like you said earlier joe watson has improved as a route runner he's not a precision route runner like some would make you believe on the internet but
00:38:01
Speaker
When you when you marry his improved route running with his athletic ability, any sort of nuance to his route running plays up because a defender is already being hyper aware about his deep speed and having to respect that. So you know if he gives if he shows the ability to give a head and shoulder fake while digging his foot in the ground and cutting outside on a route, that innately will create extra separation for him as a route
Jayden Reed's Performance and Challenges
00:38:29
Speaker
runner. So that kind of improvement, honestly, for Jade, that's the thing is like if it wasn't for Wix, there would be a long like line of Jade and Reed bad drops in games and stuff like that. so
00:38:43
Speaker
It was a good night for Jayden, you know, he and even still he had the one play where he fell down on a third down play and it was like that was going to be an easy completion if he doesn't just get bit by the turf monster at that point. So, but like you said, Joe, like this is one of those games where.
00:39:03
Speaker
There's a few things that stick out as not positive, but it's hard. I don't want to say it's hard, but it's this is this game falls into that gray area of where do you put it in the still like Carlos put the second half offense or like you said, like, are they target hunting a little too much or some of the other stuff like for me personally, I don't really have a still for this week. I guess my biggest still is like Josh.
00:39:29
Speaker
put the ball in the outside arm if you could ever and just like try you know the the fumble was i'd say it was 80 70 to 80 percent misfortunate and 20 though it's like dude you're on the left side of the field put the ball in your left arm like this is football 101 and stuff so that'll be my stale but yeah like we're We're at the point where it's stale that the offense wasn't as productive in the first half. And I guess if you want to... like very good o but As good as they are at everything, one of the things that they aren't good at necessarily is like, you know, like that Detroit O-line can do is where it's points of the games where you know, they're just going to want to run the ball, run the ball.
00:40:45
Speaker
You know, in the second half, you know, we kind of talked about it where Seattle just started to jam the line of scrimmage. And it took a little bit of time for a little Florida adjust, his, his run calls, you know, to go back to more of the jade and read jet sweeps and, uh, push passes and stuff. But, you know, you want to pick nits about it. Green Bay's O-line isn't quite at the level of, you know, we're going to run it and we're going to still run it efficiently and proficiently at you.
00:41:11
Speaker
And I put it in the stale because I think they can, but they just had a couple, one too many mental
O-line Consistency Issues
00:41:17
Speaker
mistakes. Like I said, the first third down of the second half, you just don't block Leonard Williams. You fumble the ball when you have momentum and the the ball in plus territory and stuff like that. I think they're like three or four plays away from having a just as dynamic second half. But at the end of the day, as much as we're like,
00:41:37
Speaker
kind of grinding our teeth about it, they didn't lose ground in the second half. They still, you know, they match the Seahawks in scoring, not just over the half, but by quarter as well. You know, it was three to three in the third quarter and seven to seven in the fourth quarter. And that's as LaFleur is like salting away the end of the game and stuff. So it's, still I put that as stale more than moldy, but I think we're kind of just throwing stuff at the wall at stale. So, Joe, we let's move to moldy for this week. Well, Carlos, was there anything else that you had as a stale? yeah I to be honest, I think we're saying things, you know, hopefully.
00:42:23
Speaker
away tell one he startedfuing him super on the contrary that's going be a very road so i think my closing smoking is my biggest concern Yeah.
00:42:41
Speaker
Yeah, that and that play he got hurt on, it was kind of weird. So he he got hurt to play before he left the game. He was trying to jump over Geno at the last second. He realized Geno was sliding, so he tried to jump over him. And as he goes to jump, I forget who was chasing Geno, but whoever that defender was took Kuei's leg out. so And you saw it on the next play when he tried to backpedal and he just couldn't. So that's one where maybe it does help that they play on Monday, you know that extra day off. Maybe it you get that little bit of extra recuperation and recovery for Kuei. But yeah, it would be a bummer to not have him against the Saints, especially with Kamara also dealing with some kind of like hip pointer or some sort of soft tissue injury. so
00:43:28
Speaker
It was good to see Cooper back, but yeah, especially with Quay, like you said, Carlos, especially with Quay on an upswing the last month of the season, you'd really be a bummer for him to, to get, to miss time because of this ankle injury. So you hope that, well, and that's the thing is like, because they play on Monday, their practice schedule is shifted back a day. So we won't know till.
00:43:50
Speaker
Thursday so yeah by the time we record the preview show we will they won't have practiced yet so we won't really have an update for you for the show but yeah we'll just cross our fingers and hope that Kui is ready to go for Monday night but we'll kind of have to see how that plays out over the week but yeah that you're right you're right Carlos that that definitely Kui's injury would fall into the stale because it's Not horror, you know, well, OK, I don't want to say it's not horrible. It's a bummer. It is a bummer because, like you said, his play was ticking up and you really saw the athleticism play up between him and having him and Cooper on the field together. The one thing that's going to if he's not able to go against the Saints is going to be how. Edgerin kind of handles that because it seems like those two play off of each other.
00:44:41
Speaker
And their play is bumped up because of it. So now without if Quay's not out there, is Edge going to be the same type of you know have the same success knowing that or with McDuffie on one side and Eric Wilson on the other side? This was another thing Carlos and I were talking about. i i wish ah We both wish that we could see more of Tyron Hopper and see you know how that's going to go. So yeah, this Quay injury is not the greatest Thing in the world it it comes at an all right time because it is the Saints You know it so it's not I mean it's any given Sunday anything can happen, but it's not like it's it's a a Vikings or it's it's the Lions or the Eagles or a team like that so if they've got to rest them they can rest them and just hold out for it, but
00:45:37
Speaker
I think I'm good. Anybody else got any more stales? No, I'm good. Carlos, you good?
00:45:47
Speaker
He can hit us back if we get there. So let's go. It's a moldy cheese. Cool. Carlos, what was the thing that just stank for you from Sunday night?
00:46:00
Speaker
those modernness thank
00:46:05
Speaker
let's stone often for the me of you first test literally why from the officer weapon
00:46:17
Speaker
felony that's bad um Even Even that even those were as much on the refs as it was on Nixon like it's Yeah, like we we could go Joe and I have had a whole running running uh what you call it just a running dialogue on that because yeah he heard collinsworth kind of like he's like oh yeah they called holding and i don't see anything there and and that's where you know like i'm not the biggest collinsworth fan but that's a former receiver talking and
00:46:49
Speaker
receivers tend to side with receivers and for a former receiver to like just be like that's what we're calling like he he all but said like that's what we're calling okay like you you heard the like kind of disgust in his voice about the i i forget which one of nixon's too but both of them he kind of tailed off and was kind of like uh like that's it so yeah so i've got I've actually got three moldies that I can do two packer and one, or two packer game and one non-packer game, but yeah. So, the first one I'm going to do is kind of, and I kind of mentioned this earlier, cause it kind of goes in with what Carlos was saying about the offense, that whole end of first half, two minute drive. That was horrible. They were playing for the field goal. They could have driven the ball. The,
00:47:44
Speaker
could i have had the touchdown and they wasted so much time that they had to settle for the field goal. So that's definitely a moldy one for me. Uh, the next one, it has to do with the Packers game, but it's not so much Packers. It's Seahawks fans when it comes to, uh, Gino's injury.
00:48:12
Speaker
Because, oh, well, why wasn't that this and what, you know, that was a low hit. They explained it to you during the game. He was, he had one foot in the air and that, you know, that, that takes out that penalty. Number two, it wasn't purposeful. If you actually go back and watch that, that play, Cooper was stumbling towards Gino. There was no way he's going to stop mid stumble and say, okay, Gino, get out of the way so I can th fall.
00:48:41
Speaker
You know, he was just playing it out. He fell. Gino got injured. <unk>m trying to wrap them up he he was Yeah, he tried to wrap him. He tried to wrap him up, but you know, he stumbled as he was getting to him and there there was nothing more he could do about it.
00:48:59
Speaker
Yeah and like I was gonna sound rich coming from like a Packer fan who's definitely been upset with how love has or hasn't been protected by quarterback rules but that's one of those it's like it's kind of Gino can be upset and their fans can be upset but it's like he should have thrown the ball away like two steps earlier like I don't know what he was trying to buy time for that p play was cooked like it was so cooked he should have got him rid of the ball way sooner and like I don't want to play the blame game but it's one of those where especially as the fan of the opposing team it's like you should have just thrown the ball away sooner like that's it's kind of it kind of bordered on a fuck around find out kind of thing because like and why and like you said Cooper stumbling why is he stumbling because Gino tried to do like a S like yeah he did like a S turn in the backfield
00:49:53
Speaker
ah Carlos, we're getting bounced back again. can where Is it Echo now? yes i got good point point Yeah, Let me see. But yeah,
00:50:12
Speaker
but yeah I think my last one to go with that is a non-packer one, but he was a former packer and that's Kavondri Campbell. um That's some moldy ass shit right there. How do you put on your team that was band in the third quarter? order And I'm not playing. I did see they handed him a three game pension, so they must have worked it out with the league on how they were going to be able to do it. Um, do agree with doing the suspension because like everybody else said, if you cut him, he can just go somewhere else. And you know, you just gave him his, his way. Even though I don't think any other 10 are going to touch him if he's just going to up and quit. Yeah, it's really bad. It's really bad. So so the Carlos, can you shut me up for a sec?
00:51:16
Speaker
Okay, let's see how this works. Yeah, one of my moldings was gonna be like ja like Joel. and With the two minute the two-min offense handling, i got that was one of the few things I could see before I took off. but um I bump him, I just muted him. But like I said, and like you said,
00:51:45
Speaker
I didn't mind them running out of the two minute warning. Like that's good. You keep the clock moving. You're moving the ball on the ground at that point. you're you're You're going towards the end zone. but once They ran that play where, you know, and love love and read don't do anything wrong. But once read only gains three yards and gets tackled in bounds, call timeout. And what happened, you know, after rewatching it a couple of times, what I think happened was, and to me makes it even worse, is they thought they were going to catch Seattle substituting and were going to be able to get a free playoff and, you know, get either free five yards or get a big play out of it kind of thing.
00:52:26
Speaker
But once you don't get that free play, you know, that that illegal substitution look from Seattle, you got to just burn the time out and stop the clock at that point. But instead, they like.
00:52:39
Speaker
Muddle huddle and then they like reset the play. I think they send like two guys across the formation And and at that point i'm like, okay, that's 10 seconds. That's 15 seconds. That's 20 seconds and Like you said joe You're and it's not even like you're inside the red zone at that point You're outside the 40 you're either outside or just inside the 40 yard line So you're like on the fringe of field goal territory at that point and it's like you've got two timeouts and you basically turned them into
Predictability in Fourth-down Plays
00:53:10
Speaker
they you basically set both of them on fire by allowing that much time to run off the clock in between that jade and read play. And then you run a play that to dobs that doesn't get you the first down or get you out of bounds. And it's like, well, shit, like that that just cooked the goose there. And then, like I said, what makes it look stupid, extra stupid is
00:53:34
Speaker
you get a DPI that gets you down to the four yard line and all it does is put you in field goal range. And that leads me to my other moldy point. And that's that no one fucking believes you're going forward on fourth down anymore. You like
00:53:57
Speaker
Okay, I get that you know you're increasing the odds by doing all the window dressing, all the motions. you know Chris Collinsworth is making a big deal out of how Meyer snaps his head side to side and love claps. And I forget, was it you, Carlos, or someone else? But someone was like, when love claps like that,
00:54:15
Speaker
you know that they're not doing anything because he doesn't do that on a regular play plays even on plays where he's like hurry up hurry up he's he's actually stamping his foot not clapping his hands and so it's like
00:54:30
Speaker
Like I said, a I think it was the Detroit game. You can see certain ones of their four towns. Detroit has like multiple D linemen who don't even have a hand on the ground because they're like, they're not going for it. Like no one buys it anymore. And they know that the only way they can get burnt is if you fuck up on your own kind of thing. So like.
00:54:52
Speaker
you've got, whether you actually get the first down, you've got to be strategic about it and like be willing to, I don't want to say set a down on fire, but you have to be willing to fail. And I don't know if Matt is so gun shy about it for whatever reason, but until you're willing to try and do it, no one's going to fucking believe you're doing it. And like I said, it's it's been like three or four weeks already at this point where they've done the hurry up and do all that shit and like I'm like and I'm not the only one there's a lot of people who are like no one believes you're doing it like and about the only thing that they're doing better than with Rogers is they're not burning a timeout to still not go for it on fourth down so yeah it's like
00:55:42
Speaker
At some point, you just, you know, and I'm not saying for love to disobey the floor or anything like that, but at some point, if you feel like you've got a play that you know is going to work, Jordan, just snap the ball and live with it. Like, you're that good. You're playing that well. Like, and honestly, whether it's a wide open play or if it's just a throw up and arm putt, I can live with that because At least you're snapping the ball and letting something have the possibility of happening. What if a DB falls down or if it's a DPI or whatever or something like that. But this raggedy tag, you know, having the you know, the George Carlin, of George Carlin, you know, that his routine at the line of scrimmage, that shit ain't working no more because no one believes you're doing anything of substance. And
00:56:40
Speaker
Honestly, i kind of juy I'm somewhere between irritated and upset when you because you have multiple ones where you're in like midfield or slightly plus territory. The ones last week against Detroit were worse, I thought, because, you know, the Seattle game, like I said, you know, you can be upset about it, but you're up two to three scores and you're like, OK, and like it's it's, you know, you want to see more aggression. And yes, like they should have gotten to 40 points, but at the same time, you are playing the scoreboard, playing the clock, you know and and all that kind of stuff. But like that Detroit game last week, you had the fourth and sixth or something like that, and or fourth and three a couple times. It's like, you got to go for one of those. and Because it's like, your defense isn't stopping shit kind of thing. so
00:57:23
Speaker
like you know and especially against Detroit last like I said this has been a thing for like the whole season but especially last week against Detroit how does Detroit score two of their touchdowns it's having the courage in their conviction to go for it on fourth down and two of their touchdowns on fourth down happened because they catch Green Bay a little bit unprepared and they have walk in or just handed hand me touchdowns because Green Bay's got a linebacker. That's not a line pre snap. And it's like, oh, golf could have handed the ball to whoever he threw it to, because that person is just wide open. And it's like, Matt, just fucking pull the trigger on one of these. So yeah. yeah
00:58:07
Speaker
Even though Dan Campbell can be an idiot I'm going for like yeah he can be I think about I think with the yeah be careful is you have to be balanced It's okay to go for four but know what to do it like cuz Dan Campbell just does it so much But it gets so ridiculous, but you can't go for four down or when you're down you know we can't do all this stuff when you're like ahead don't go like if you're ahead bro don't go for fork down just just just be chill i think matt matt matt needs to be aggressive but just choose the right time to be aggressive but matt has to be aggressive more don't get too conservative like go for it sometimes it's even though you're gonna fail yeah like you said i like throw one out there that makes his decision making the even worse than his fork downs and that's his when to throw the challenge flag because he's 0 for 6 this year
00:59:00
Speaker
with challenge flags. So if, you know, these are two decisions that are extremely important when it comes to the game, your fort down decisions and you're you your challenge flag decisions. And he's not doing good at either one of them right now.
00:59:21
Speaker
Yeah, he said I want to say a couple of them have been really close. I mean, ah ah I know I took a little flack for it. I thought the Kenny Clark play on Sunday night was a closer. But granted, I was watching on my phone screen with shitty United Airlines Wi-Fi. But That should have been challenged. i mean there yeah you watch Watching it on my TV, like yeah it was it was a little more clear. and stuff but yeah i was like On my phone, it looked a little closer. and I think that players i think that's on the players the players told him to challenge it. my My thing was, why would you challenge that? like you're You're playing great. You're up by two tuds. I was like, don't.
01:00:00
Speaker
why would you even challenge that? I would never challenge that. Say those challenges when it's close, very, very close. Because if you don't get one, you only get one left. Because that's the thing about those challenges facts. He lost. It's like, bro, why would you challenge that? You're up by two touchdowns. Put that challenge back away. Yeah. And then it gets magnified because later in the game, they have to burn the third timeout.
01:00:26
Speaker
right before the do the second Dobbs touchdown and Collins were even highlights it when they come out of the timeout. He's like, okay, Matt's got to hand over the challenge flag because you've got no more timeouts. And I think there was like five minutes left in the game at that point. And obviously we know how it played out, but you know, I never really was concerned. And obviously I didn't get to watch that part of the game live, but it's one of those were like,
01:00:55
Speaker
you know this is a different team this isn't crooked-nosed Pete Carroll or Russ micro bubbles Wilson but you know you do have those bad memories in this stupid ass stadium of like shit going wrong late in games and stuff but yeah I'm just glad that they made the plays that were there to be made and stuff but I know it's It is, there's just been some, like I said, Lafleur's a good coach. Overall, I think he's done really well adapting, you know, he had to deal with the elephant in the room of making Aaron Rodgers happy his first four seasons as a head coach. And now he's he's getting to, you know, as much as love is improving and growing as a quarterback, Lafleur is also getting to spread his wings. But
01:01:40
Speaker
Yeah, it's been a weird year overall where like his team was super undisciplined to start the season just leading league in penalty rate and all that kind of shit and then like you said like Like I said, one or two of the challenges I thought he got a raw deal on, but ah ah the other ones have all been like, why did you do that? like what like use it and you know And like Carlos said, it's not an excuse to be convinced by your players kind of thing because everyone knows there's at least one guy on every coaching staff whose sole job is to be like, throw the flag or put the flag back in your pocket. like That's their sole job is to tell the coach when to eat it or when to throw it kind of thing. and so
01:02:21
Speaker
yeah like and and the other one i this one didn't really fall into the kenny kart one but i do hate the people who do the whole like oh well you're calling time out so you might as well challenge it kind of thing anyway i i do think Like I said, that wasn't the case on this one, but I think that one is a stupid reasoning as well, because it's not the same. like And like like Carlos was alluding to, you kind of there's there's the chance you'll need those. So like if you've got to call timeout, just call timeout unless the play is so close, it's actually worth it. So yeah, like just a little bit off on the coaching side of it. Like I said, it's... it goes i put those into the moldy because these are repeated issues that have propped up over the season and we're three quarters of the way through and there's still problems so yeah the the the fourth downer you know like you said carlos i we're not saying that he needs to go camp dan campbell stupid over aggressive or anything but you've got to go you know ah fuck it i don't know the last time we've gone for it on a fourth and like
01:03:30
Speaker
borderline you know where it's like do the old head say you punt versus the new like computer model say you go for it because you're the it's it's better for game control and all that kind of stuff you know says to go for it so i feel like la floor needs to roll the dice on a couple of those especially in situations where the game is either tied or within a possession where if you extend your drive and go down and score you take the lead or if you're up like anywhere from three one to four points where your touchdown extends the game another like it takes it from a one score to a two score game
01:04:11
Speaker
You've got to roll the dice on those because especially one of the things that we've been talking about this whole show is your youre defense is compromised to a certain degree by injury.
Importance of Time of Possession
01:04:20
Speaker
so you've got you know you And even wholly healthy, your defense isn't a like shutdown defense. It's built to play with the lead so it can rush the passer and create takeaways. so even more so well i think we the one thing i can say is that that's what the lines did like the lines defense defenses is pretty banged up but they win time of possession and keep the their defense off the field now with buffalo they win time of possession and you saw what happened their defense got exposed and saying people what's up with the detroit's defense i said
01:04:56
Speaker
Yeah, because they they're playing they play with a lead and the offense keeps them keeps him off the field. That's what they basically did with us because, yeah, the Packers offense was on the field for only 22 minutes. The Detroit had 32, so it's like, yeah.
01:05:11
Speaker
your defense is compromised. I think our defense is elite when healthy, but it's still good to win that time of possession do you know to keep them on the field, keep them rested. We didn't do that with Detroit last week. We did that with Seattle. Seattle, we did a very good job. I think you won 32 to 27. That's pretty good. That's very, very good. Almost 33 to 27, so yeah.
01:05:31
Speaker
like But yeah, like I said, these are the, these are the ones where it's the, it's the season long issues. And these are the margins where you've got to win more of these. If you want to get far in the playoffs and have a shot to win the Superbowl at the end of the year. Yeah. So, uh, here's some stats for you on that. According to stat views, the Packers have attempted 11 fork downs this year and have only converted five of them.
01:06:02
Speaker
for 45.5% fort down rating. This one's kind of sick and this is where they've got to work on it a little bit better. They've attempted 153 third downs and only converted 58 of them. So they're sitting at 37.9% conversion rating on third down. So yeah, when it comes to fort downs,
01:06:28
Speaker
You might as well try it. If you're going to go out there and put on a show, just friggin try it in some of those situations. But yeah, so far, both of their conversion rates are not that great anyway.
01:06:43
Speaker
But yeah, guys, they got anything else? Just whether moldy or just Maricel's probably over there with the like knife. like Yeah, I'm going to go in.
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Yeah, so overall, like you guys said, most.
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Is with Quaid coming out the back end too serious for him and he's able to bounce back and get back on the field, whether it's on Monday night against the Saints or the following week against the Vikings. But if either you if neither you have anything else, we can go and just put a bowl on this one and.
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go on into the sweet night. So yep. So first off, Carlos, thank you for joining us. and You and I had battling Wi-Fi issues throughout the show. But yeah as just like the Packers this season, we have battled through and we made it to the finish line. And hopefully that's brighter things are on the horizon for us. But thank you for joining us. It was great having you on. Please make sure you're following Carlos on both Twitter Excuse me Twitter and blue Skype He's also putting out great articles for us at Ohana Packers edition. Check the website out on how Ohana Packers edition dot org Carlos's articles are posting up there Joe and I will put the odd one up whenever we have the time to do it streams of Brian's
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she said great Cheese Ed Talk is on there. Sorry, I'm coughing up a lung and trying to do the readout at the end of the show. Go to check out the shop, purchase our merch, support the show, really appreciate it so that we can fund Carlos' time that he puts into writing articles for us. So tumblers, sweaters, coffee, you name it.
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Keep it tuned in here, Ohana's Packers edition. We'll keep you covered. We'll let you know where the team stands. Carlos joining us. That's Iowa Joe. I might wish you Go Pack Go.