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The American Craftsman Podcast Ep. 35 | To The Moon
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On Episode 35 of The American Craftsman Podcast, hosted by Greene Street Joinery, we tell you how to set up for a smooth install.
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Impact of Pandemic on Podcast
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Well, after some extensive audio checks, here we are. Yeah. Yeah. Episode 35 of the American Craftsman podcast. We go to the cliche follow up for that. Man, time's flying. Yeah. Time is flying though. It's going to be episode 36 before we know it. Aside from our podcast episodes, it's hard to keep track of time lately, isn't it? Yeah. I mean, think about it. We've been in this pandemic lockdown for over a year. We were thinking,
00:01:50
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Hey, you know, a couple of months, maybe six months. So talking to the band like it's like, well, if we we keep rehearsing, you know, everything will be OK, right? Because if we don't rehearse, we might not see each other till.
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May or even June, if you can believe that. 2022. Yeah, that was last year. So thankfully we made it through this whole thing. Healthy. Everybody's vaccinated now. And we were all healthy throughout it. So we got our little escape every once in a while. You know, once a week we go down there and make some music. Yeah. Yeah. You got to have got to have something to keep you. We were lucky. Keep you sane. Yeah.
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So here we are in our new digs, week number two. Yeah. And I'm perusing the sheets. Introduction. What comes next?
Beer of the Week: Mosey IPA
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As every week, it comes the beer of the week. The beer of the week. And we're going to be trying something new now. I'm going to be trying to get some B roll. A beer of the week. I'll tell you, because I'm a sucker for packaging and it did me wrong once.
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I don't recognize. And if you see this mosey India pale ale. Toppling Goliath. Yeah. Face it towards the camera there. It's got this cool Volkswagen bus on it. Okay. And cans in it. Four pack of cans in a box. You don't see that often. Brood in beautiful Decora, Iowa.
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Just like our Dubuque Clamps. That's right. Iowa is featuring prominently lately. It says, tucked into the bluffs of beautiful Decorah, Iowa, or maybe it's Decorah, Toppling Goliath was founded in 2009. So Toppling Goliath is the name of the brewery and has been working ever since to create truly top shelf beer.
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Now world-renowned for our IPAs and barrel-aged stouts, we are honored to be supported by so many beer lovers. Cheers from the Toppling Goliath team. Interesting. Yeah. Live beer. Please refrigerate. Hmm. So this seems to be legit. Yeah. Interesting packaging. Yeah. And it's got an equally cool can.
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Yeah, it looks like a almost like an Arizona iced tea. Yeah. Mosey. Yeah, it has that sort of Dick Tracy comic book look going to it.
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Yeah, I didn't even know when I picked it up that I thought Mosey was the name of the brewery. Is that a type of beer? No. Okay, so that's just the name of this. Mosey Down, a new path enjoying an exciting IPA that combines the grapefruit, kiwi and sauvignon blanc grape notes of the Nelson Savon hop. With hints of mango and pineapple from the mosaic hops, these hops were meant for each other and this beer is meant for you.
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I like the sound of that. I do like Nelson Savam. There's a beer by... Man, I forget. It might be the brewery. You're sounding a little highfalutin' when you say that. Oh, yeah. Well, you know, I am a little bit.
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We happen to stick our nose in the air over a few things. Oh, yeah. Well, let's give it a try. Yeah, this is a it's getting my hopes up now. I want to be a little more careful with the poor this week than I was last week.
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From this angle, we get a little behind the scenes look. Yeah. You almost get the whole pint in there. Go slowly. Smells good. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's definitely reminiscent of some beers we've had.
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that grape fruity kind of thing. I can't remember the name of it, but. Yeah, a lot of these IPAs. It's it smells and looks a lot like the forger that we had from Kitsune, which we've got some more beers coming out from them. One kind of was damaged, I think, in shipping and ended up going back to Tyler.
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This has that nice sort of creamy look to it that you. Yeah, that hazy look. Yeah. Yeah, you know, trying to get a good shot of pouring the beard isn't the best for pouring beer. No. Got to do the old tip.
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Get these out front. Everybody get a look at it if they can. Yeah, it's a nice colorful can. Well, I have to pour this in afterwards, but. Yeah, that's a nice looking beer. There you go. Well, let's go. Cheers. Cheers to us. Cheers to you guys.
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And good. Yeah. Good choice, because I don't know. It's just like I probably wouldn't pick it because it just looks too. It's too loud, isn't it? Yeah. I mean, when we have a little place nearby called Portside.
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And they have quite an array of these types of beautiful. It's a very unassuming location. Yeah, you think it's like an old man kind of Schlitz and they have. I think it is too, but. Yeah, they have some of that kind of packaged liquor thing going on. But they have a good two or three windows filled with all this stuff. Yeah, with all kinds of crap here and stuff that is like
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you know you can go to any liquor store now and find like goose island or six point but these they have a lot of smaller and more obscure right sort of breweries and a lot of local stuff too i asked the girl if she'd ever had it she said no she looked like she didn't even know it was in the case yeah
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Yeah, just like, I don't know, it's like so bright and I would probably be like, you know, it's probably not that good because it's like they're trying too hard. Volkswagen bus, it could be sticky or, you know, but that's what that's what got me because, you know, me, I'm living in the past there with my Volkswagen bus. Yeah, that's good. I'm going to keep my beer. Up here at my left hand.
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Mmm. What's the ABV on this bad boy? What's that mean? How much alcohol? Alcohol by volume. I'm squeaking today. Oh, that's my tool of the week. Hmm. Does it say? Usually does. Might be on the box. Acora Iowa. Yeah. Pleasant surprise.
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Yeah. Anyway, ABV doesn't matter. Yeah, you'll probably be finishing those off this weekend.
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Well, I've got a new fridge coming, hopefully tomorrow. So the fridge that's upstairs now will become the basement fridge. Yeah. And you know, those beers of the week, the two extras are four extra. I'm going to start adding up. I'm going to have to throw a party. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we've talked about a little get together with the people we know on Clubhouse and Instagram and that kind of thing. We could gather up the local-ish crowd. That would be cool.
00:10:27
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Yeah, I got to, you know, figure out figure maybe like June or July, maybe once it's nice and warm and try and find a spot that has, you know, an outdoor space, but also covered. So, you know, we don't have to try and coordinate like a rain date. Yeah, yeah, that because then it's like chances of getting everybody up for one day is exactly. It's like, well, it could be this week or next week. It's like, I'm not going if I don't know when it's going to be. Yeah.
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But yeah, well, that was all right. This beer is nice. Yeah, it's good. Pleasant surprise. So we'll move on. Yeah, you got a tool of the week.
Introducing WIS Crimpers
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I do. I'm going to put them out. I'm going to put them up here on the desk on our coffee table.
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And those crimpers, those are by WIS, you know, the company that makes all of the sheet metal cutting nippers and everything that we're all familiar with, the lefties, the righties and all that stuff. These are crimpers. And you could see they're well loved and well used. And what they do is they make, well, they crimp the sheet metal piping that you would use for dust collection.
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Yeah, you can demo that up for everybody. And so you can insert one end inside the other. So let's say you have two four inch or two six inch diameter pieces of sheet metal piping. You can crimp one end with that tool and it will then fit inside the other piece. So it's great for putting two pieces of pipe together or if you need to cut a piece,
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that had a crimped end on it from the factory. You could create your own crimped end and it's really indispensable if you do your own duck work. Yeah, who doesn't? It's one of those things that you basically have to have. Otherwise, I mean, how do you butt two pieces together?
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You can try and like cut like little slices, but then it only goes in as far as you cut. Yeah, it just ends up like leaky and yeah, half a roll of tape later kind of thing. Yeah, those were a revelation not being a sheet metal worker. I didn't really know about those things.
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But once you get them and I mean, they're foolproof to use. Yeah, there's no substitution. It's like you pull them out every time you're, you know, working on the Duck War because.
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Like I said, it's like one of those indispensable tools and not sure how much they are new, but I'm guessing it's going to be less than $50, right? Yeah, I was going to say 25 or 30 bucks probably. Yeah. And they're American made. Yeah, they are. Maiden, guess where?
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Iowa they are really yeah, they're made in Iowa shit. Yeah, it's the Iowa episode. I know So yeah, cuz remember we were talking about those Dubuque clamps. Yeah, those might be featured next week. I don't want to give anything away. Yeah, oh Man, I wish we had some 36s so we could go up that door with them. Yeah
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to get some on the air. I will. It's funny how things like when we started we saw that one Ram that was white with all the blackout trim. Yeah. I said oh that's cool. And then how many more did we see like five just in that drive. Yeah. Yeah. And it's weird how things like that. Yes.
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So there you have it, your whisk. They call them hand crimpers, sheet metal hand crimpers. And if you're thinking about ducting in your shop, I would say pick up a pair of these right at the same time you're picking up ductwork. Yeah.
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And we'll have a link down there in the doobly-doo, as they say. Yeah, cool. They won't be as well worn as ours. No, you have to use them. They're going to look like that.
00:14:40
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Yeah. That's some years behind them there. That they're still going strong. Yeah. They'll make your life a lot easier. Yeah. That's a testament. I mean, to see that they're that old and worn, that they're still knocking it out. It's kind of a lifetime tool unless you abuse it. Yeah. It's hard to, you know what I mean, break. What the hell is going to go wrong on that thing? Yeah. All right. That was pretty good. Yeah.
00:15:05
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Well, we better, uh, better get into some questions here. You know, I have a question, uh, that came to me after you typed this up from our good buddy Manny. Oh yeah. Cause he just sent me one on Instagram. Oh, did he? Yeah. Is it, is it this question? Let's see. Uh, no. Oh, doubling up. Yeah, he is.
00:15:29
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I thought the question he sent me was pretty good to kick it off. I didn't see that one. So yeah, let's go. Let's do that one first. Manny asks us, how do we like the new digs? Um, sorry, I got distracted.
00:15:53
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That Mojo's coming back. Yeah, yeah. My wife and son are at home today.
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We moved the podcast to Tuesday, the filming. I think we're still gonna release it Wednesday night. Cause as you heard and maybe saw, I'm gonna try and edit in some B-roll and stuff now. So you get a close up view of the tool of the week and the beer and stuff like that. So make it a little more interesting to watch. Urge you to watch on YouTube.
00:16:24
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That'd be cool and leave comments what we could do better like and subscribe Hit that notification bell. Yeah, because we're you know, we're amateurs at the podcasting thing So anything we could do to make it better make it easier to watch or listen to Let us know. Mm-hmm How do we like the new digs they're good It's certainly more comfortable Took us
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a microphone in my face. Took us definitely less time to get set up even though I had to count. Oh yeah, not having a breakdown is really a joy. Yeah, we had to move some stuff around today to just head stuff outside of here that we had to move in, but... We got these fancy chairs. Yeah.
00:17:10
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Which Unbelievably priced at the at the big lot. Yeah in the USA These are swivel recline and yeah, if we have more room we would be reclined all the way wouldn't we?
00:17:34
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Maybe That's not really podcasting I do like the glides isn't yeah
00:17:44
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Yeah, I mean, there's definitely some growing pains just in terms of trying to get it all figured out, you know, because we kind of we did thirty three episodes or whatever in the old, you know, in the shop. So we had a down pat to like. Yeah. And you know, it's there's something comforting about having that desk in front of you. Yeah. You feel a little bit exposed out like this. Yeah. Get a nice crotch shot.
00:18:09
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Yeah. Well, I mean, we were amateurs with the camera angles, too. We don't know what we're doing. Yeah. Thanks, John, for telling us to lower the camera a little bit. Although I'm going to have to I'm going to have to adjust this microphone somehow. Oh, probably it changed the angle of attack. I know you guys want to see my face. Yeah, that's it. That's the high point of this show.
00:18:33
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You have to tune in to, I don't know, an earlier episode if you'll see it. So yeah, going good so far.
00:18:44
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We'll see. Hopefully we don't have any sound issues this week. Yeah, we did run into some weirdness. Yeah. And I appreciate everybody who reaches out and they say, Oh, did you know that around like one Oh seven? I don't because I don't listen to the podcast. I don't have time to sit down and listen to the whole thing. I sometimes I as I'm editing it, editing it, editing it.
00:19:05
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I'll catch some of it, but not typically. So please, anything seems weird or off, don't hesitate to reach out and let me know because it's a big help because I have no clue when something goes wrong.
00:19:18
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The audio could cut out after two minutes and I'll upload it. I have no idea. There'll just be no sound. Blank screen. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we try to keep tabs on what's going on on the computer because once or twice it's let us know that something funky happened.
00:19:35
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Yeah, like if I see those audio levels like way up in the red. Consistently, I know that something's wrong, but one time the power went off. Oh, God. Yeah, that episode. We did it like three times. Yeah. Yeah. That was like a four hour ordeal. And we only ended up like an hour long podcast.
00:19:57
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Yeah. So thanks for asking, Manny. We like it. You know, we're getting used to it. Yeah.
Debating 'Custom' in Woodworking
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It's like moving into a new apartment or something. We still look in the old cupboard, you know, for things and it's not there. It's in a new cupboard. Yeah.
00:20:14
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All right. Well, let's move on to the sheet. I got another Manny question. What is your biggest gripe in regards to today's, quote unquote, custom woodworking standards? Oh, God.
00:20:30
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I mean, hope you guys got some time. You know, when these topics come up, I try not to get on my high horse, so to speak. I didn't know we ever got off our high horse. I thought we were still on it.
00:20:52
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for a couple of regular working guys. We wish you can get up. It always makes me think of the arguments I used to, I mean, I have
00:21:04
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screaming arguments with my wife when this would come up because now I started this little business on my own, uh, bra woodwork back before I met Jeff. So I had a little business going previously and there was some good years and there was some lean years where, you know, you're just kind of getting by and mess with this.
00:21:30
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My wife had this friend whose son sold kitchen cabinets and it was, you know, it's like the, what would you, what do you call those things? They're made in a factory. He goes to somebody's house, a dealer. Yeah.
00:21:45
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he's a dealer and they put okay we're gonna put a 24 here and a 36 inch base there and we'll put four 18 inch uppers up here and tell us what kind of door style and color you want custom yeah and so my wife was a so-and-so son he's he makes kitchens custom kitchen cabinets and he's driving a you know a Mercedes Benz
00:22:13
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Blah, blah, blah. We could just get that CNC working. I would lose my mind. I would lose my mind over it. Yeah, you know. Yeah, I have to agree that whole custom kitchen thing where you're building 24 inch cabinets, 18 inch cab. It's not custom. No.
00:22:38
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Custom is the wall is a hundred and twelve, a hundred and seventeen and five sixteenths and the cabinets are broken up to fit in that proportionally, functionally. That doesn't mean that you do a 36 inch sink base and then a 24 inch and then a 15 inch garbage pullout and then a filler.
00:22:58
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And then then it's well and then a filler. Yeah, right. Everything is broken up so that it's all cabinets. The the you know, the last style on the last cabinet is going to want to end up same as the one next to it. So the filler is an inch and a half. If the style is an inch and a half, not filler, but the style ends up, you know, the filler style, whatever you want to call it.
00:23:21
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Ends up the same as all the other ones. That's custom. Yeah, there's you know, you have to put some thought into it and not just Make up the difference. That's that's the thing. It's just like okay We'll fill in what we can and then the leftover is a filler like when you go buy a car Do you call that a like you you bought a truck? Would you call it a custom truck?
00:23:45
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No, no. And you can like order a truck from the factory and like go and drop down menu, all that stuff. But even that's not a custom truck. It's just a stock truck that you picked out. You get to pick what kind of radio you want in there. I want the 20 inch wheels and the black paint and I want the sound package. Right. That's not custom.
00:24:08
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right it's not oh you know Jeff is like five foot nine so we're gonna make the seat right you know 19 inches from the bottom of the truck yeah that's custom
00:24:21
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We're going to mix up a color for you that matches your eyes. And we're going to mold the seat right to your ass. Exactly. We're going to position the shifter right here. Hold your arm out, Jeff. Let's take a measurement. Is this where you like to sit? All right. That's where the shifter goes. Right. That's custom.
00:24:43
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When you go when you go buy a suit at men's warehouse And that guy goes in the back with you and pins it all up and no that's not a custom suit Like you know, what's a custom car? What's the guy? Foos right chip foose. That's a custom car. Oh
00:25:01
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they tear that thing apart and make it all super right on that show. That's what they do. Yeah. So what about Pimp My Ride? I remember that. Oh, I've heard some stories about that show, you know, how these people, you know, ended up with basically a POS. Yeah. Yeah. Just had like big speakers in it. That's it. That's it. We've seen that in our industry as well.
00:25:30
Speaker
Yeah. No matter what kind of fancy paint job you put on top of a piece of duty on top of a turd, it's still a turd covered in a candy coating. That's it. We see a lot of that polished turds.
00:25:47
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So as you can kind of get where we get we get our dander up, we get a little bit annoyed at people masquerading as custom shops because that's what we are and we don't want you know we want to differentiate ourselves from that sort of stuff.
00:26:08
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Yeah, because, you know, there's only so much vernacular to use, so what the hell are we supposed to call ourselves? They keep stealing all the words, too, right? We spoke. Yeah. Artisan. Right, right. Handcrafted. Right, they're not leaving anything left for the people that actually do it. No, I'm going to start making them words. Like Farfignugen. Bippity bippity.
00:26:33
Speaker
We know we know a guy named Hiviti Viviti. Yeah, he invented the charcuterie board.
00:26:42
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We cross-grain. Yeah, the cross-grain charcuterie board. Oh, lord. That's a story for another time. Is that a, is that a Patreon? We could talk about that today. Because we'd had, I mean, I don't know, we wouldn't even have to name names. And there are some people that would know who we're talking about. Yeah, we should probably.
00:27:07
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We won't name names because we have to keep some anonymity to people who are in the know. Let's get into these questions. This one's from Andrew AC Brasso designs on Instagram down in Louisiana. Since you store your lumber in an unconditioned space, how long do you let it acclimate prior to milling? That's a good question. It shows somebody at least is knowledgeable. Yeah.
00:27:35
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Because I mean, most people store lumber in an unconditioned space, right? It comes from the like, like Monteith, that's an unconditioned space, I'm sure. O'Shea is all unconditioned out there.
00:27:49
Speaker
Yeah, even like your, I mean, all your dimensional lumber, your framing material, but like trim and stuff, most places are, it's in a glorified shed. Yeah, yeah. We have an unglorified shed. Yeah, it's just a shed. And it's barely that. Yeah, that's a shed. Yeah.
00:28:14
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I mean, it really depends. Like, we have a bunch of sapele that's been in the shop for, I don't know, over six months? Yeah, we have a couple of those big, heavy-duty cast... Black shelves, like steel. Yeah, are they zinc? Yes. Are they just coated in zinc? I think they are zinc. Yeah.
00:28:37
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Yeah, those shelf standards those lumber. Yeah, they're pretty heavy duty Yeah, so we have I don't know 200 board feet of sapele in the shop that we you know pull from when we need it, but I mean I like to bring stuff in like at least a week before we join it and then I like to joint one day
00:29:02
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And then maybe skip plane two, because it's nice to sort of equalize that exposure to new wood. And then stack it up for a day and see, you know, see what happens. If it moves, if it does, you can join it again. And then...
00:29:19
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You know, the boards that move are the ones that are most prone to moving. You know what I mean? Like if it moves, it means that it's it has the criteria for movement. You know, some boards move more than others. So you know that that may be a problem board and you may have to take that one a little bit slower. But if it remains flat after that initial joining and planing, odds are it's going to expand and contract pretty, pretty consistent. Yeah, it's pretty good to go after that.
00:29:46
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Yeah, I mean, the quickest we usually ever go is like a long weekend.
00:29:54
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Yeah. Yeah. Like bring stuff in on a Friday and then start to process it on a Monday. Well, we process pretty slowly. You know, we're pretty thorough and careful. We have how many little stickers you've made them. What are they? Half inch by half inch? Yeah. Half inch by half inch by maybe what? 14. Yeah. We have a box full of these square rods, hardwood. Yeah. They're like mostly maple and an oak.
00:30:21
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that we cut that jeff cut all up and spray paint in the end so that you know it doesn't look like a piece of scrap right right and they're all even so whichever way you know rolls out and we sticker all the wood that yeah we surface in the shop so um that's just part of our our methodology something we're used to doing it's you know it's it's not
00:30:44
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Any extra time really and it you know, it could be the difference between Having a good result and having a not so good result. So why not do it? I mean I always like to check back on stuff, you know years and years if you have the opportunity but just on short on a short-term scale we have that arm while waiting for those hinges and
00:31:08
Speaker
And those doors are still flat as could be. Yeah. And they're big. Yeah. Like 40 some 45 inches tall.
00:31:15
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Yeah, which isn't typical for us to build something that big without a mid rail. Right. But that design expressly called for that. So I would say that it paid off. What would you call that sort of slow and steady? Yeah, that proactivity or forethought to
00:31:38
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Bring the you know, we brought that cherry in That might might have only been a long weekend that we brought that in. Yeah, that was some nice wood though, too. Yeah so
00:31:50
Speaker
Well, there you go. He's down in Louisiana if we think we have humidity. Yeah. So I'm guessing that he has to deal with that down there. Yeah, there's some good charts out there about region out, you know, where your region and and species and how much they move, you know, in relation to what the relative humidity of the wood is. You want me to read this next one from C.T. Vader? Yeah, sure. 1977 on Instagram.
00:32:18
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Where do you buy your used machines? He wants to know. So we're not huge purchasers of used machinery. We definitely, I'm always keeping an eye out. We dabble. Yeah, yeah. For me, Facebook Marketplace and eBay, Craigslist, those are sort of the three that I, IRS auctions, we haven't bought anything from there, but
00:32:47
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Yeah, we might have if there have been more nearby. Yeah. Yeah, there's a whole logistical thing with buying from an auction of having to go pick it up and you know, so it's difficult for machinery. And that's mostly what they're selling on those things are large, you know, they're large items. You can get like
00:33:06
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you know, a rubbermaid container full of extension cords or something, but I'm not really looking for that. And we don't have three-phase power at the shop. Right. And a lot of that stuff are big factories being liquidated. So there are huge deals on some equipment that we could probably use, but it would take rewiring it or getting $1,000, like rotary phase converter. Yeah, changing the motor on the machine out. Yeah.
00:33:33
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I mean, we're not turning over machinery. So it's like we have we have all these machines. And so we're not. We're typically not looking or looking for or purchasing machines. Yeah. Well, it's really if we if we're growing, if we're expanding into that area and then we kind of prefer to pay the extra money for a new machine that's going to be reliable, it's going to have a warranty. Yeah. Because look at the problem we had with the Oliver.
00:34:00
Speaker
Yeah. You know, it came brand new. We paid good money for it. And lo and behold, we learned it's one of the machines that the company tells us flat out it didn't go through quality control. They had 10 machines that for whatever the snafu was, it doesn't go through quality control. And Oz was really a malfunctioning unit. It really couldn't be used.
00:34:30
Speaker
Yeah, I'd be interested to know What if they can fix it when they get it back and what was the deal? Yeah, I mean the head Movement was really troubling. Yeah Because you know Deflecting 30 second of an inch is There's quite a lot on a planer. Yeah, I Mean, there shouldn't be any deflection let alone one side
00:34:59
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Yeah, it was a 30 second heavy. Yeah. Yeah. So, or wait.
00:35:06
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What was it? Three, three, one, 20, three, one, 20. So that's two. That's one 64th. Yeah. So a 30 second light. Yeah. We, we, our math is once you get into those high numbers, we're good. We're real strong. 64th. Yeah. Then we slowed down at a 32nd 64. We got to start thinking a little bit more, get into odd numbers in these fractions and you know,
00:35:34
Speaker
Yeah, I'd say the biggest place I look is Facebook marketplace. Yeah, it's easy. I'm always looking for pocket hole machines castle or Porter cable and I check pretty often for shaper cutters. I always look up Lee Nielsen, but there's never anything for sale if there is it's like full price I see people selling you stuff. It's like this literally the same price as new Craigslist and
00:35:57
Speaker
turned into this ridiculous thing yeah speaking of which the Craigslist guy yeah stop texting me we'll get into that inquiring minds want to know maybe we'll talk about it
00:36:18
Speaker
So, yeah, I just, you know, try and stay as local as you can and, you know, hit these local pages and marketplace on Facebook. Yeah. Facebook seems to have taken that sort of Craigslist kind of place. Yeah. Yep. Craigslist turned into sort of like this professional junk man's clearinghouse thing.
00:36:42
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A big haven for like spam bots. Yeah. Yeah, it's in fishing scan unusual unusable now What's our next question? So I gotta readjust here in this fishy chair This comes in from Troy Troy Christopher on Instagram festival versus Mirka Sanders. Oh
00:37:06
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Yeah, well, I guess we could, we've had experience with both of those. Yeah. We only own one, so that'll tell you our preference. We own Festool sanders. Yep. We're big on those. Yeah, I'm not, I have nothing, nothing against the Merca sanders in terms of how they sand. I just, I don't like a paddle actuated sander. Mm-hmm. Yeah, well,
00:37:34
Speaker
And they also, I mean, you could use any paper you want on any sander. Yeah. Where we had it all that time on the Merka Sanders, they had the Merka sandpaper. The Abernett. Yeah. And we weren't fans of that. Yeah. I mean, we use Merka sandpaper. Yeah. Just not the Abernett. Oh, yeah. That's what I should clarify. Yeah. The Abernett is that, you know, mesh sort of paper. And really the results weren't. Everybody talks about it doesn't get loaded up.
00:38:05
Speaker
I never found it to get any less loaded than any other paper I've ever used. Unless you're using some cheap BS. If you're using good paper, it's good paper. I'll tell you this, when I spent all that time in the shop that had Marcus Sanders, I had two festival Sanders that I brought from home underneath my bench.
00:38:24
Speaker
I had one too because I couldn't get the results. I could, you know, and everything that was painted. So you really, you know, those squirrel marks and everything stood out if you didn't, um, you know, give it a good sanding job. I never found that I got squirrel marks or anything with America. It was just that.
00:38:46
Speaker
you know, we use the Avernet paper and the, you know, it wears off the hook and loop even with that interface pad. Oh yeah, forget about it. Then the interface pad makes it too soft and then you turn it on, the paper flies across the shop, it comes flinging off of the thing. I think you're right with that interface pad, I forgot all about it. That was the thing that used to make it all mushy. Yeah, yeah. So you couldn't really get a... Like you want a very hard, not rock hard, but you want a hard pad on your sanders so it's flat.
00:39:15
Speaker
And I just I don't like that I don't want to have to push down with a sander Mm-hmm I want the weight of the sander to do the way unless I'm taking heavy, you know heavy things off and then Even then I don't want to paddle actuated sander I want to be able to turn it on and hold it anyway I want to hold it from the side if I want to hold it sideways or upside down or whatever and
00:39:37
Speaker
That's what I was going to say. You can't really, especially if you're like sanding all day, you want to change hand positions. Yeah. Yeah. Even just changing hands. I'm going to have to like sneak my fingers underneath to like hold the thing down. So the vacuum doesn't go off. I don't know why that's a weird game that we all play, but you don't want the vacuum going off.
00:39:57
Speaker
Yeah, if you can like turn the sander off and change the paper before the vacuum turns back on. What is that? I don't know. Are we just completely obsessive? Well, yeah, but... I'd like to hear from somebody who allows that vacuum to go off and it doesn't bother them when it comes right back on afterwards. Yeah, we don't want to burn the motor out.
00:40:24
Speaker
So yeah, maybe we're not as objective as...
00:40:28
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I mean, I think we're pretty objective on this one. I mean, we spent plenty of time with those other sanders. Oh, I did a lot of sanding. Quite a bit of sanding over there. Remember the Santos? Everybody in the pool? Sand the pre-fin. I spent six days sanding that stuff by myself. Everybody in the pool? Yeah. I can't believe you botched that job. I know. I broke the company.
00:40:59
Speaker
If only they knew. You think that's why I got let go? May have had a part in it. Oh, what's that? What's that term? Blessing in disguise. Yeah. There you go. I like this, this next one.
00:41:23
Speaker
Go ahead and read it. From Daniel, Daniel Zenefsky, furniture on Instagram. Sounds Polish. Yeah. We knew a Polish guy once. Yeah, they banned him from Wawa. Something to do with coffee or something. I don't know. You know, I used to care what they thought. But now I don't care. Now I just write about it. Now I just tell people that I don't care.
00:41:54
Speaker
That's how much I don't care. Yeah, damn it. What's the best thing you can do to make installs as smooth as possible?
Tips for Smooth Woodworking Installations
00:42:02
Speaker
I got one answer. It's not really helpful. Is it crippling anxiety? No, no. My smart ass answer is to have an installation crew and we never have to do it. Yeah. And that is our dream. Yeah. That's really our dream.
00:42:20
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Yeah, I think the only good answer I have is like make a list. Yeah.
00:42:28
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of what you need to bring, of what tools you need, of like, I even go as far as to like, in my heads, be like, all right, we're gonna bring this stuff in, and then we're gonna like, you know, put in the base, and then this, and then, start to go through the process in your head and think about, oh shit, we gotta move that light switch, we're not moving light switches, you know what I mean? You're gonna think in your head about all these things that may pop up and say, oh shit, we better grab the right angle drill, or... So that's what I do. I mean, it doesn't always work out.
00:42:57
Speaker
No, I would say, I mean, the lists are great. I was an off-premise caterer. So we might have a dinner for a thousand guests. And that's the way we went through it. When you're doing something like that, you have to bring your kitchen with you. So you have to pack everything up from the warehouse, every spoon, every platter and all your cooking implements.
00:43:25
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And that's what I do. I go down the menu. Okay. What am I going to need to prepare this item? How many people do I have working for me? Or I'm going to need seven cutting boards for this and then blah, blah, blah. So lists are awesome. I'll add something different to that and say preparation. Yeah.
00:43:48
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There's skill involved in measuring and there's experience required in foreseeing what's going to come. I know we talked about it before but we'll bring it up again because it's just a testament to our methodology that we did that big kitchen
00:44:07
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for Mendelssohn. I mean, not just a kitchen. It was three adjoining rooms. Yeah. Plus. Yep. Yeah. One, two, three, four, five. Five walls and two standalone kind of things. Yeah. I mean, the doors were the doors were like seventy two, seventy five doors. That's how many cabinets were involved. We were in there once for a half hour with the existing cabinetry in place. Different flooring, different. Yeah.
00:44:37
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walls that were still in place. It still had to come out windows moved columns that didn't exist. We measured it once built it and put and they put it in six months later. Yeah.
00:44:53
Speaker
So it's it's just taking your time and and not rushing, not presuming, you know, everything. Yeah. You know, one one thing I remember from working with four people and with people where there were failed experiences was
00:45:16
Speaker
Don't be the guy that knows everything. Don't be the guy that's smartest in the room. If you're the smartest guy in the room, you're supposed to find a new room. Because that's the kind of stuff that leads to mistakes and overlooking things. Ryan, what do you think, Jeff? Yeah, don't underthink the job.
00:45:41
Speaker
You know, always think about like, oh, I don't need the measurement from the from the window to the wall. No, just get just everything because you're like, even with talking with Tommy, the glass guy.
00:45:55
Speaker
I didn't say it to him. I meant to text to him. But I've been going back and forth with him about details that may not be that important. But I'm like, I always want to give you more information than not enough. That's right. Like, even if even if this doesn't end up being relevant, I'm I'm glad that you have the information then not have it. Right. So it's sort of the same thing when it comes to a job where the more information you have, if you don't need it, fine. But if you end up needing it, you're going to be glad that you have it.
00:46:25
Speaker
Yeah, and sometimes it just helps give somebody the picture because all this stuff is just in our heads to some extent. I mean, we make drawings and all that, but he's making glass for a door that doesn't exist. So what can we do to make him feel comfortable and confident?
00:46:41
Speaker
Yeah. So I'm not all of a sudden just dumping a dimension on you. Right. You know, you have, you know, what the door is going to look like, what the detail is. Excuse me. You know, all those things. Right. Right. Well, is there anything else? I mean, so we have preparation, you know, take your time with measurements. Yep.
00:47:04
Speaker
I do, you know, do as much of the shop work as you can. Yeah, that's a biggie for me. I don't like doing site work like.
00:47:12
Speaker
I don't even want to put handles on. I mean, I can never understand that in the shop at my bench. I'm comfortable. Everything's flat and level. And why do I want to like crawl around on my hands and knees on a job site where you're making a mess in somebody's home? You're I don't get it. You got to install the boxes to get a progress payment.
00:47:35
Speaker
Then you can order the doors. I want it done in the shop. I mean, I want even built in stuff. I want it done as far as it could possibly be done. I don't want to, if I could shave something in the shop instead of shaving it in the house, that's the way I want to do it. Yeah. Pre-cutting moldings.
00:47:56
Speaker
all that stuff there's um you know it's hard to be as productive as you it's hard to be as productive in the field as you can be in the shop yeah might as well get as much done in the shop as you can I mean that simple job in Easton we were there for four hours yeah basically just setting we did have snacks yeah you're not supposed to tell the people that we had snacks
00:48:24
Speaker
We worked hard for four hours. We worked hard for at least three of those hours because it was slow. It was very slow and a fancy house. You couldn't mess it up.
00:48:38
Speaker
Yeah, we had to make little adjustments and stuff, but it was super simple. It's just, it takes time. Yeah. Good thing it wasn't a kitchen. Put them in there for three days. Well, that's about what I like to, that's what I always figure about three days for a kitchen. Yeah.
00:48:57
Speaker
Yeah. I like to do the bulk of the work, you know, in that second day, first day, I always like to set bases and get the lay of the land, you know, because usually you get there and the old kitchens gone for the very first time. Um, I always like to reserve one day afterwards because I always felt like I was going to need to go back to the shop and like make special little things because
00:49:21
Speaker
wouldn't be happy just shoving something like oh yeah there's a little gap here whatever I might want to come up with some kind of creative solution that tied something together instead of yeah just solved it simply you know or easily quickly yeah that's a good question really is
00:49:44
Speaker
Want me to read the next one? Yeah. Oh, geez. I've been thinking on this one. I can't think of one. These are loaded questions today. Ever bought a hyped up tool and then regretted it? That's from Brian. Gray Point would work on Instagram.
00:50:01
Speaker
Yeah, well the first thing that comes to my mind is that stupid Oliver Planer. Let me just interject that we were some of the hype-ers early on based on our experience with our joiner. I thought the design, and we'll get into this in the next question, but I thought the design was superior for certain reasons. That's really the only one I can think of. I'm sure there's others, but
00:50:31
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Mmm.
00:50:34
Speaker
I mean, you had what a lot of people consider the best track saw and you wound up getting rid of it for the Makita. Yeah. And I mean, so that that track saw gets a lot of hype. I didn't regret it, though. No, no. But I mean, we cut some inch and three quarter inch quarter saw white oak with that Makita and it didn't even cough. Yeah, I was surprised because I could have sworn I made a cut like that before and
00:51:04
Speaker
And it didn't cut like that, but it was a seven-foot rip. It wasn't just across. Yeah. Yeah With a blade that I don't think was very new Yeah, um Yeah for me
00:51:21
Speaker
about your new tape measure. I'm sorry for all you. Yeah. Yeah. As soon as I said, that's a good one. So as Jeff pointed out to me today, as I was searching for tool of the week, I can't, I'm banned from doing another tape measure because I did get another new tape measure. It's an illness. I know, but I got in a Tajima, another Tajima.
00:51:47
Speaker
And this is one, it's 16 feet or, you know, five meters, I think they call it. That's where you messed up. Yeah. And it's so it's split with metric and Imperial. And it's the kind where it stays out automatically. You got to press the little button to get it to retract. Auto luck.
00:52:08
Speaker
So the thing that really bothers me about it is that when I met, you know, we pull out because Jeff and I work simultaneously and together our tape measures have to match up. That's something that maybe people overlook.
00:52:23
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, that could cause some fatal errors. Right. And now these Tajimas, they're held to a pretty high degree. There's a certain standard of measurement. I know the Europeans have it. And so we pulled out your star that you use. And it was, I want to say, a light 30 seconds of a difference.
00:52:47
Speaker
And then I pulled out my other Tajima that I use all the time and it matches the Starrett. The two Tajimas didn't match up. And so I went through a couple more and that's it. That new Tajimas... That was the odd one out. It doesn't match up to the other tapes in the shop. So you can't use it. I mean, I could put it in the house and like, if I want to measure for drapes or something. It doesn't happen often.
00:53:16
Speaker
That doesn't happen ever. That's another thing, going back to the install thing, make sure you're using a good tape when you go to measure. Don't use, like, I got the Harbor Freight tape in the truck. No, use the same tape that you're using in the shop. Because you don't want to measure 115 in the field and then you come back to the shop and 115 on that tape is really 116 and 113 and 1516s.
00:53:39
Speaker
And I mean, as we joke about it, but we do have multiple tapes and we do check that they we know that if we grab a tape, it's going to give us the same measurement as the others. Otherwise it's banned from the shop.
00:53:57
Speaker
Yep. So Tajima does get hype as far as, you know, their accuracy and deservedly so they have a good reputation. Yeah. So this was pretty shocking. Yeah, I think the combo metric Imperial is that was the death knell. Yeah. It's a lot to keep straight, you know. Yeah. I might write him an email. I might write him an email with a little picture on it to show that it doesn't match up to the other tapes.
00:54:30
Speaker
Yeah, I did because I got it with my aunt's Amazon birthday email Jeff Bezos.
00:54:43
Speaker
Just saying. Just saying. Just saying. Yeah. He's got time for me. I know. Yeah. He stepped down as, uh, what, CEO, didn't he? Well, I don't know. What was he making too much money?
00:54:59
Speaker
Speaking of money, what's Dogecoin at? Yeah, for those of you who don't know, Doge to the moon, baby! That's right. What's Doge at? I'm gonna get a live update here. I mean, well, by the time you hear this, it won't be live anymore. About 55 and a half cents. All right, so it's holding strong in the mid-50s. That's right. After the run up to close to 60, did it hit 60 earlier today? Yeah, yeah. So...
00:55:30
Speaker
We're big followers of the Doge. We are partakers.
00:55:38
Speaker
Doge to the moon. That's it. That's all we got to say. What do we got here? From our buddy Eric, Eric Blake. Blake Woodworks on Instagram. I almost wore his shirt today. I like that shirt. Yeah, that's got a great color. What are the pros and cons of the new Powermatic planer? Do you think the spiral cutter is a big plus and which planer, the Oliver or the Powermatic, had the better design? All right, well, I'm going to take the first part of that.
00:56:09
Speaker
And I'll let you take the
Comparing Powermatic and Oliver Planers
00:56:12
Speaker
design. You want to talk about that, right?
00:56:17
Speaker
Everybody knows the cutterhead thing. We feel that the spiral cutterhead is total no-brainer. Worth the extra money if you're buying new, it's usually like an upcharge of about $1,000, right? $800. Yeah, I think it works out to be a little bit less than that typically with buying a new machine. Like to buy it after market is, yeah, about $1,000.
00:56:42
Speaker
Yeah and you'd agree with me it's worth every penny I guess. Oh yeah it's I mean it's quieter the quality of cut is so much better. It's probably faster as far as the turnaround with the straight knives I remember you know you have to take them out put the new ones in set them and
00:57:07
Speaker
You know, there's some tricks to setting them so that you get the same depth of cut all the way across. Yeah, you don't want to get those skewed. Yeah, they have those little I don't remember what they're called, but there are those little special nuts down at the bottom that you have to adjust.
00:57:24
Speaker
Yeah, even with a hand, like a hand power planer, it can be tough to. Yeah. And every time you get your knife sharpened, you know, the blades get small and you've got to adjust all of those four nuts that are down at the bottom of the groove that the blade sits in. So it's time consuming because you can't keep them
00:57:46
Speaker
in the same spot. Once you put those new blades in, they're going to be slightly different from the ones you take out as far as the width of the blade and where the cutting blade part engages the wood. So that's what I'm going to say. Spiral, big ups. That's the biggest pro you're saying?
00:58:07
Speaker
Oh, yeah. I mean, well, I wouldn't say I don't know if it's the biggest pro or the only pro. Well, that's that's the part I'll attack first. What about cons? Are there any cons to spiral? No, to the paramedic. Not that I could see. Right now, we took it out of the crate and cleaned it. More or less put the tables on and it's it's running the way we wish the Oliver was going to run.
00:58:37
Speaker
We, Alex's grandfather. He got the number, the tree guy. God bless him. Like we did the door, some heavy pieces of oak, long, heavy pieces. Yeah, eight quarter, seven inches wide, eight inches wide, you know, almost the one eight feet long.
00:58:59
Speaker
And it pulled it through even on those very first passes where it was only gripping a little bit. Yeah, the ones that didn't even get cut. Right. Yeah, which we couldn't we can't even get the Oliver to do that. No, no. So we were we're really pleased with it. Yeah, we wish we would have had a 20 inch available. It probably isn't going to come up often. No, just that's what we had. That's what we wanted to.
00:59:27
Speaker
Yeah, replace it with no sense in Yeah, you know downgrading downsizing. Yeah, we got the 15 I'm a fan now. I really am. Yeah Let's see pros and cons. Yeah pros it works cons I'd say the fact that it's a 6 is it a 15 or 16? They call it 15 15
00:59:51
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Excuse me, it's a 15 and not a 20. I'd say that's really the only con. And, you know, it's three horsepower, not five. Yeah. Although for us, it's not really a con because we don't take we don't take really heavy passes anyway. And we're typically not planing. The max we're going to plane is 10 inches, nine and three quarter.
01:00:10
Speaker
So the five versus three really just sort of more of a statistic versus a real world. Yeah, we have the machine doesn't bug. No, no, not at all. One thing I noticed is.
01:00:25
Speaker
You know those little caps on the top of the post that hold the rollers? Yeah, they're metal. They're metal. On the Oliver, they were really plastic. Cheap plastic, like a thin kind of plastic. Yeah. That was one thing we noticed right off that it's like, hmm, that's a little disappointing.
01:00:42
Speaker
Yeah, we saw that in, you know, some other machines, these like very basic things that were like, why did you do that? They're saving pennies. Yeah. On a machine that, you know, is not that competitively priced. No, like they're not giving it away. Like it was like a thousand dollars cheaper than. So it's like, well, you know, then I could see. Right. Like you cut costs here. OK, that's fine. But no, if it's going to be the same price, well, then it should be the same quality.
01:01:12
Speaker
Yes, there are a couple little things on the powermatic that Just they didn't shave the corners off of yeah that they did on the Oliver. Yep I Definitely think the spiral cutter head is a is a big plus. I Mean it is there's no there's no arguing that and the design I thought that the
01:01:39
Speaker
The cutter head assembly being the portion that moves up and down on the Oliver was going to be a superior design because we could have in feed and out feed that were set at a specific height. I did too. And it turns out that it's just not a very good design. No. There's a reason why the bed moves on all these planers.
01:02:03
Speaker
It sounded like a great idea for production. You know, like we're running a lot of boards through at the same time we could set up an infeed and an outfeed. And we thought, wow, it's got to be better because that's how like a high production shop would set up. Yeah. We were wrong.
01:02:22
Speaker
Yeah, granted the machine that we had was a dud and maybe they don't all function this way. I think it's just trying to fix something that's really not broken. Yeah, I mean there was that head deflection that just wouldn't occur. There's no lock on that side. Right.
01:02:39
Speaker
Whereas with the four posts, it's locked in in four spots on an Acme thread. I can't really go anywhere. And, you know, it's it's going to push the table down when you feed a piece in. The cutter head is fixed. The tables move up and down when you put a piece in. It's going to push the table down, if anything, and it's locked in in four spots. Well, with the Oliver.
01:03:02
Speaker
The bed is fixed you push it through the head is gonna push up. Well if it's not fixed on two posts. What's gonna move up? Yeah the one thing that I'll give you is that even if you don't lock this those locking nuts
01:03:19
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The Oliver, it doesn't move. Like there's no deflection if we ran the boards through there without locking. The Powermatic. Yeah, the Powermatic. The machine doesn't deflect. Yeah, the Oliver doesn't even have locking. No. So it might have been... It has like a gas piston or something.
01:03:37
Speaker
It may have been just a broken machine. Yeah. But how does that get? Yeah. Well, obviously they didn't, you know, they even told us, but it didn't pass through quality control above and beyond. They went for us. Yeah, that kind of allegedly that kind of sticks in our craw. Yeah.
01:03:58
Speaker
Oliver told us how they went above and beyond for us. Yeah, it's like, you know You went out to eat and there was like a fly in your soup and then there was hair and your burger And then they're like we gave you free dessert. What do you want from us? Yeah, what about the botulism we got yeah, and then you got E. coli And then you were shitting
01:04:23
Speaker
Three days peeing out of your ass for a week Hey, you got that brownie sundae I know we made you pay for your meal
01:04:41
Speaker
Yeah they they kicked us to the curb. Sometimes that happens if you make too much noise you know. Yeah I think they. They well. Tony was nice to us and you know he I think he did everything that was within his power.
01:05:01
Speaker
But it just, we became a nuisance to them, you know, pointing out some of the failures. And they're like, these guys are nobodies. Let's just, you know, crush them.
01:05:16
Speaker
And that's the story. That's the way the cookie crumbles. The way of the world, I'm afraid. So I'm sure folks out there have had some experience like that. Maybe not with woodworking equipment, but when you're the small fry, this is what happens nowadays. Reach out to Oliver. Give him a piece of your mind. Send him a Mother's Day card.
01:05:42
Speaker
We got a couple more questions. Yeah, we're a little light on questions this week, but make the best of it. Have you thought about offering classes to a small group? That's also from ctvader1977 on Instagram. We've talked about it. It opens up a whole new realm of insurance and liability and all that kind of stuff.
01:06:09
Speaker
trying to work around projects that are in the shop and and timing with projects. So it's it it certainly wouldn't be easy. I think it would be I'm definitely open to the idea if we can carve out like a month or something in the year where it's like yeah you know in March we do we have classes on Friday Saturdays and Sundays whatever.
01:06:33
Speaker
That's a that's a great way of looking at it. I agree with that 100 percent. It's not something that we could probably do concurrently with our jobs for a whole host of reasons. But if there was enough interest and it was economically feasible, we could say every March and every December, November, we have a month long
01:06:59
Speaker
class yeah meets every every Friday at six or whatever yeah and or even more so maybe it's like three days maybe it's four days two groups where this becomes our our daily job and that way we could give it the same attention right because you know how obsessive we are gonna have four four people in the shop or something well that's four projects that need to be built because you know the way
01:07:27
Speaker
The way most of these classes work is you build something and you take it home when you're done. So how are we going to fit that in the shop along with a door and an armoire and this and that?
01:07:41
Speaker
How about we offer class one in March and then class two is in the wintertime where you have to have taken class one as a prereq. So now you only have two students and they're building their their real project. Class one is you know you're making something charcuterie board. Small simple yeah.
01:08:06
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Sand this piece of wood. Okay, you're done. You want a handle? Here's the jigsaw. A hole? You're gonna have to drill that hole. Drill press is class two. You gotta test into that one. Right? And then in class two, the advanced class, then they make a piece of furniture. Yeah.
01:08:31
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Sorry, I was interrupting you before, but I wanted to say, you know us, we're nuts. So there's no way we could do anything half ass. We'd be up all night. We'd be making a curriculum.
01:08:48
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So there's no way we could do this unless we you know had the top the real time to commit to it Yeah, and we could get paid to do it like we were working our regular job Yeah, because then otherwise it's you know as fulfilling as it may be we still got to make ends meet Yeah, we gotta keep the electric on now like we're making enough We're not in the charity business
01:09:13
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We're good guys, but that's where I mean, we give charity to the church or a homeless people or the people are hungry, whatever. But that's where charity belongs. Right. So certainly thought about it, but haven't found a legitimate plan of action. No, we did get offered an illegitimate set of circumstances. Yeah. Yeah. We don't even know that kitchen that was that we turned down in Hamptons.
01:09:44
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It was kind of a scammer. Yeah, I don't know what their deal was. Well, they were posing as something. As a husband and wife team. Definitely posers.
01:09:59
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Very high end. Very high end. This is our last question of the day. It's from our buddy Lou Alvarez Woodworking. Lou asks, how do you personally control dust in a smaller space?
Dust Control Strategies in Small Woodworking Spaces
01:10:15
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Is it a struggle for you? I wouldn't say it's a struggle.
01:10:27
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It can be depending on the tool. But for the most part, everything that we have, you know, has dust collection. Yeah. We have small, small tools like routers and stuff that have dust collection. And that's that's really the biggest offender. All the router is the router because everything else, you know, there's not a lot of like stuff going on at the bench that creates dust. Yeah.
01:10:54
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Sanding vacuum Jigsaw doesn't really come out. No and router. I mean those are really the main Hand tools that aren't directly hooked up to dust collection. So You know the routers we have What is it the festool? Your favorite and the Makita
01:11:17
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and does the Dewalt have? The Dewalt has dust collection and has like one of those where the hose goes down through the yeah it's it's debatable if it yeah how much it collects but
01:11:31
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The Festo and the Makita dust collection is really good. So that's top of the list. The track saw even has good dust collection. Yeah. What do they say? An ounce of prevention is where the pound of cure. So if you can hook up your tool to dust collection, well then there goes most of the problem. We have those two wall, one on the ceiling, one on the wall, dust collectors. But those are kind of just for fine dust.
01:12:00
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Yeah, yeah. I'll say this. In the prevention department, like when we do drawer boxes, it has to be pretty nasty outside before I'll start doing all those drawer boxes outside inside. No, I mean, remember, like, I'll set up outside and unless it's really not nice. Yeah, yeah. Yep. And because it just makes too much of a mess.
01:12:28
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And you get outside, you get a little fresh air. And I remember all those shavings when we did those 20 boxes. And it's nice because I don't even like making that kind of whiny noise inside the shop for a whole day. It ruins everybody's thing, you know?
01:12:52
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So I don't mind. I have a little vice stance thing that I can set up out there. And you know, we could fix that. Yeah. Would you start making them out of a five ace plywood? Just pocket hole them together. Zero biscuits. Double zero biscuits. Double zero biscuits. Yeah. That's one solution.
01:13:17
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You were probably not going to sleep that night. Don't think about it. I'm going to guess you're not going to sleep the night we decide to go to that transition. Or ever again.
01:13:30
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Yeah, I'm feeling queasy just talking about it. So we try to prevent it as much as possible. Yeah. All the machines have pretty solid dust control on them. Oh, yeah. Especially since we took the muffler off the gorilla. Yeah. And the hand tools, we try to mitigate in some form or fashion. You know, whether that's with a vacuum or just taking it outside.
01:14:01
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That doesn't mean Doge hit 70, did it? No. So, and, you know, another thing that's, I mean, dust is dust, but we don't use any MDF and we don't use any, you know, of the more toxic sheet goods. So,
01:14:23
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It's a little bit less of a problem if we do raise some dust, but it's still something you really need to be mindful of, because we're not just doing this on the weekend. It's long-term exposure that we have to be mindful of. And everybody's got a mask nowadays.
01:14:45
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Yeah, I mean, I can feel it the next day when I'm getting a little sore throat. Yeah. And, you know, get a little bit of running, run your nose. And, you know, you just feel not as good as you would if you weren't breathing in dust. Right. You know, if you blow your nose and you see like some colored sawdust in there, that's a bad sign. Oh, yeah.
01:15:08
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All right, so I see we finished our beer, we finished our questions. Yeah. So what are your thoughts on the beer of the week? That was good. That was a pleasant surprise because it was very unassuming. Yeah, I would say that this can here, Goliath Brewing,
01:15:28
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Yeah, it kind of lent itself to, you know, a bit of a cartoony sort of thing. Yeah. Well, this was a real deal beer. I'd have this again, gladly.
01:15:45
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And what's different about this beer than for some is I can actually taste more of what they're talking about. On some of the beers, they have it on the label. You don't quite get it in the taste. This one really has it, I felt.
01:16:06
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I mean, I don't know about the Kiwi, but definitely the grapefruit. You know, that sort of wine, white wine, dry white wine kind of thing.
01:16:18
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Very, very nice. So two thumbs up. And now the name makes sense. Mosey, like Mosey on down. Yep. Yeah, it was good. Goliath Brewing Company. Check it out. You might be able to get this because if we're getting it in New Jersey and it's made in Iowa, a lot of listeners out there might be able to get this down at their local place.
01:16:45
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If not, ask for it. Yeah, that would be very cool. Check them out online. Tell them we sent you because every small business loves to hear something like that. If you said, yeah, I heard some guys talking about you and they really liked your beer, where can I get it? Woodworkers? What the hell are you talking about? I'm talking about beer.
01:17:08
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They'd love it. They'd go, hey man, somebody from Texas wants to know where they can get our beer. It's like if we heard beer brewers talking about our furniture. We'd be happy about it. All right. Let me thank all you gold tier patrons, Jerry Green and David Murphy, Manny Sirianni, Dustin Fayer, Adam Pothast, David Shoemaker, and Colin Lye. Thank you. Yeah. Sincere thanks.
01:17:34
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If you want to join the Patreon, there's a link in the description. We do the after-show every week, where we'll probably spill the beans on some stuff that we don't usually talk about. In the regular show, maybe not, might not be as juicy as we make it out of the scene, but sometimes it is. But yeah, we will go a little bit off-topic. Not always so woodworking-focused. And...
01:18:02
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Yeah, the Patreon shows was always fun. Yeah, we never quite know what we're going to say. No, sometimes we do and then we forget. All right. Everybody be good to yourselves and others out there. Spay and neuter your dogs and cats. Yeah. See you next week. Ciao.
01:18:37
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