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Episode 107: Ranking Chris Nolan's filmography (feat. Raiders of the Lost Podcast)
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This week on the pod the boys review Christopher Nolan's filmography alongside “Raiders of the Lost Podcast”! We had an absolute blast, the boys laughed and argued all the way to the end, Tommy might have even cried. We hope you all enjoy the episode and we will see you next week!
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Introduction and Podcast Promotion
00:00:00
Speaker
Welcome back everyone to episode 107 of the Popcorn Podcast. I am here. I'm Tommy. That's Ryan. That's James and Anthony from Raise the Lost Podcast. And we're going to break down and rank Christopher Nolan's filmography. And the popcorn boys came into LA. They are in studio with us at our home in our recording studio. How you doing, guys? It's nice to have you here in person.
00:00:20
Speaker
Doing great. I'm glad to be here. Yeah, you came just for the show, right? Oh, yeah. Definitely. Just wanted to see these guys. Just for you guys. Well, your show is awesome. So it's so nice to have you guys, again, like Eddie said, in person. So excited to do this. Tell our listeners where they can find your show. You can find us everywhere you find podcasts. Spotify, Apple Music, Google Podcasts, YouTube, where we don't do as well. But that's fine. We got TikTok, which we're actually starting to get a little bit of a following on, which is nice.
00:00:49
Speaker
But yeah, you can find us anywhere. I think we're probably the best film podcast in the world. You're a- get out of here! YouTube's tough for everyone. My mom tells me all the time how good our podcast is, so I feel like I'm doing great. Our mom was our first listener too, so I get it. I don't think my mom was my first listener. She still doesn't even listen. Yeah, she doesn't actually
Christopher Nolan's Impact on Cinema
00:01:06
Speaker
listen. What do you do?
00:01:08
Speaker
All right well popcorn podcast listeners we've been on their show a few times you can find us anywhere we're very easy to find Raiders of the Lost podcast search that on any platform or Raiders of the Lost podcast.com we'd love to share the audiences and everyone discover each other and this is gonna be a
00:01:23
Speaker
a lot of fun. Share the load. Share everything. Nolan's made 12 movies, boys. He's just been a favorite filmmaker of mine since I was a kid. Ever since I saw, I guess, Batman begins with my exposure to him, I feel like. Memento. And then just we were hooked on him ever since then. So for him and for me growing up as a film lover, he's always been top tier director. Like whenever one of his movies came out, we were always there opening night. It's just been like that since the early days. And he's an incredible filmmaker.
00:01:50
Speaker
I will say I was actually a big Nolan hater. Really? I mean like years and years and years. Like The Dark Knight everyone knows. Considered one of the greatest superhero movies that could probably is the best superhero movie ever. Yeah no I always was like oh he can make good visuals but the story's never there. Like I stuck by that probably until I just rewatched all of them these last like 10 days. You watched the procedure like oh yeah I might be wrong about that.
00:02:14
Speaker
Whoa, whoa, whoa. We'll hear my thoughts when we get to that. We'll get into it, but I mean, Nolan's meant so much to me as well. He's one of my favorite filmmakers. His movies are maybe my most watched of any director out there. I mean, between him and Tarantino, those are probably my most watched directors, but I think Nolan has the edge. I think his movies are insanely rewatchable. He connects with the audience like nobody else with these massive big-budget blockbusters that also feel very intimate in, like, indie films at the same time.
00:02:42
Speaker
He's just a legend. He's one of the best filmmakers, the most important filmmakers we have in terms of preservation of film and obviously making IMAX such a normal thing in our lives now. I love the guy, but Ryan, what do you think about Nolan? I agree. I mean, he's one of the best filmmakers, not only of like our generation, but probably of all time at this point. I mean, he's really just cemented his spot as one of the greats.
00:03:02
Speaker
I would say that's a totally because I think after Oppenheimer because he's always been a great but after Oppenheimer he really is like in the conversation of like the titans of cinema yeah and I think for this century the 21st century you could argue he is the most definitive director of the century because
00:03:18
Speaker
Not only has he made amazing films, but he actually redefined the blockbuster. And he just made a biopic that nobody's ever seen before. And he reinvented the war picture, too. So in a way, he's the most impactful director of this century. And it's hard to argue against that. You can talk about him in the same conversation as Kubrick now. Now you can. I think that's really important. Obviously, people always are recency biased. I think halfway through someone's career, they're always like, oh, he's the best ever. But now I think officially he's in that ballpark of all-time great directors after Oppenheimer and after 12
00:03:47
Speaker
And I think directors they need to make a good number of films like a movie a young director Maybe have made three films and people are like they're the best ever. It's like, you know directors have made three movies for 120 years. Let's I think that 12 movies. It's such a great List of films to really judge a director by and I think you can judge them for greatness after six or seven like in terms of all-time greatness and
00:04:14
Speaker
and he's just had that consistency that very few directors have ever ever had in history and I think 12 movies they're all incredible and some of them are the best ever and he's without a doubt like the greatest modern director.
00:04:27
Speaker
than anybody that can pull that many A-list celebrities from one single movie. Oscar winners from one scene? That's wild. Everybody just wants to work with the guy.
Favorite Nolan Films Discussion
00:04:38
Speaker
Now, before we get into the rankings, how about we each say what our favorite Christopher Nolan movie is? Because I think these rankings are going to be just what we think are his best in terms of kind of an objective bias.
00:04:48
Speaker
sort of versus like my favorite Nolan ranking would be completely different than what I think is best movies are so maybe for sure what's what's everyone's favorite Christopher Nolan movie I'll go first it's interstellar baby I love it I adore it so much I got a poster over there the music the soundtrack we've done like four episodes on it I love that film
00:05:05
Speaker
I gotta go with, that's a good question, just what's your favorite one? I mean, instinctually I gotta go Dark Knight, that was a major part of my life getting into movies and the Dark Knight's impact on me was so substantial that I just can't help but say like, my gut feeling is just, Dark Knight is the one for me favorite.
00:05:25
Speaker
It might be recency bias, but Oppenheimer was just so goddamn good. I mean, every single scene, no matter who was in it and who just randomly showed up, everybody, everybody stole the show from each other. And the writing was amazing. It looked incredible. And just, again, the fact that Nolan does everything in camera as much as possible and he just decided to make a nuke and blow it off. I mean, the dude just has no limits. So I think that's I think it is my favorite one.
00:05:55
Speaker
That's a good answer. Mine is either The Dark Knight, because I think it had the biggest impact on my life and like superhero movies in total, or Tenant, which I know is a...
00:06:05
Speaker
Not everyone's favorite, but I have always adored Tenet. We love Tenet in this house. We love Tenet. Yeah, no, I love Tenet. I saw it. It was the first thing I did when I came back from basic training. So I just have a lot of fond memories and I just love the movie. We actually drove to San Diego to see it because it was the only theater open in California during lockdowns. So we drove two hours to see Tenet and it was worth it. Two and a half hours. Two and a half hours.
00:06:27
Speaker
It was, I'd do it again. The Red Robin before was great, too. Yeah, we got a Red Robin for it. But I actually, I think the movie does get a lot of hate because it's hard to grasp for the average audience member, but I think that movie's brilliant.
00:06:38
Speaker
All right, let's get into our rankings. Let's do it. Should be fun. And how about what's going to circle? Maybe Anthony goes first and we'll go counterclockwise. I would love to go first.
Ranking Nolan's Films
00:06:46
Speaker
We're going to do all 12, including following. Including following. All right, so we'll go bottom up for everybody. Or do you think we should do like what we did with the Real Talk Boys, where we did the bottom like six?
00:06:57
Speaker
Then oh, yeah, let's do bottom five. Okay, so everyone will go one at a time do your bottom five So this isn't a 17 hour episode because it would be and then we'll do the rest individually I like that idea. It worked out really well last time cool with everybody what your listeners in cool. All right, cool. They're in
00:07:14
Speaker
They're in. Antonio! Okay, my bottom five. Now, I still, I mean, it's hard to rank them. It doesn't mean you don't like a movie, really. It's just all of his movies. I adore all of his movies. But to rank them, I have at number 12, Following, which is a really fantastic debut film. He shot that for $6,000 over the weekends with his friends. It's been available on a Criterion channel for a while, and it's just been bouncing around Max and Amazon Prime if you haven't seen it. But it's a great,
00:07:40
Speaker
Mystery, it showed the early signs of what he liked to do as a storyteller really brilliantly and he shot it himself by hand with film. Next up, Insomnia, which is a fantastic remake of the Swedish film. Stella Skarsgard actually stars in the original film, but it's a great thriller, great mystery, Al Pacino and Robin Williams are fantastic, Hilary Swink in an early role.
00:08:04
Speaker
but I love the tone it showcased, how well he can establish a dark tone, grey tone, but also pull you as an audience. Memento, I think it's one of his most impressive screenplays, never seen anything like it before, I find it to be a very fascinating film, and when you watch it still on repeat viewings, you're still like,
00:08:22
Speaker
kind of taking apart the puzzle and you can look at it in so many different ways and it's just such a brilliant film and Memento is what got him the job with Insomnia so it was really important for his career for Memento to work. And then Batman Begins I have at number 9, 12, 11, 10, 9.
00:08:40
Speaker
I love Batman Begins, but honestly, I like Dark Knight Rises more. Like, I do. I love Dark Knight Rises. I get to go Batman Begins over it. But I do think that, you know, for us, it was our first Nolan exposure. Seeing this Batman film as like a 15 year old, 14 year old was mind blowing. I love the score. It's one of my most listened to scores from Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard. Really terrific opening act. The first 40 minutes is just the best 40 minutes and a superhero film, I think, in my opinion.
00:09:10
Speaker
And then at number eight, I have Tenet. I was just saying earlier, I think it's brilliant. I love the film. I think it's really genius, the themes he put into it, the technology, the science behind it all. I don't find it confusing. Once you figure it out, it's actually pretty streamlined. The cast is fantastic. The filmmaking is insane, propulsive action. And I was just mouth agape most of the time during these action sequences. It's just a flat out incredible action sci-fi film.
00:09:38
Speaker
Hey, it's a really good list. I'm surprised you have a mental, so low. I surprised myself, too. But again, I mean, there's no wrong list, and it's almost an impossible list to make that will please everybody. No one's gonna like everyone's list. So, you gotta ruffle some feathers, I think, when we do this. Did I ruffle your feathers? A little bit. I know I ruffled your feathers with Babbin Begins. You weren't expecting that. We're gonna throw hands later. We're gonna talk about that later. It's the second half. Babbin Begins was a rough one. I didn't like that take. Oh, man.
00:10:05
Speaker
So starting from the bottom, I have Insomnia, which is the only one of Nolan's films now that I don't enjoy. I didn't like it all. I didn't like the tone. I felt like it could have been darker. That could just be my how I like things. I like darker stories. I think that's why I love Fincher so much. But I will say Robin Williams gives one of my favorite performances as a killer in any movie. But I think Al Pacino,
00:10:31
Speaker
I think he phoned it in. I love the guy. I couldn't really get behind him in that one. But yeah, it's fine. I wasn't a huge fan. But now, then going to 11, I had the following. We're just following. The following is Kevin Bacon. Following, which I actually really enjoyed. I was really surprised at how good it was for being a debut film.
00:10:56
Speaker
and seeing that he shot it just on the weekends for over I think he said over a year just with him and his friends and the one actor the main the not the main guy the side character his friend the thief incredible and the guy's never done a movie since then and I actually genuinely loved his performance so I enjoy the movie it's definitely not his best work but it was also his first film and then this is where I start to get in trouble
00:11:19
Speaker
I have Dunkirk. That hurts me. It only gets worse from here. But I hated Dunkirk for years and years and years.
00:11:33
Speaker
It came out 20 years ago. That's a long time for this. That's a long time for this. That's a long time for this. That's a long time for this. That's a long time for this. That's a long time for this. That's a long time for this. That's a long time for this. That's a long time for this. That's a long time for this. That's a long time for this. That's a long time for this. That's a long time for this. That's a long time for this. That's a long time for this.
00:11:58
Speaker
But then I watched it again. I watched it with Ryan recently. And I actually did enjoy it a lot more than I did the first time. But from here on out, all the movies kind of blend together where I can rank them. It's just in the moment where I think they land. But it is much better than I remember it being originally. Give him all the credit for that. And he really showed like the horrors of war and all that kind of stuff with the sound editing, hearing people screaming. And he did without really seeing people get shot or anything like that, which is very unique to filmmaking, especially with horror films.
00:12:26
Speaker
It's actually, I agree, it gets better on rewatches. Yeah. So it makes sense that you liked it better the second time.
00:12:33
Speaker
really upset about. I have Interstellar at this spot. I'm sorry, what? I'm just kidding. You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm just kidding. Hey, man, Nolist is wrong. Yeah. But I was explaining this before the episode. I had a great watch this time around because I got to watch it with a girl that I really like. Did you even watch it? He did a Nolan and Chill move. I'll show you my wormhole. My mother is listening to this. S-T-A-Y.
00:13:03
Speaker
I love the Nolan and Chilled move, the Nolan and Chilled move. I'm like praying she doesn't listen to this episode. I'll tell you what, don't. But no, again, I did not like this movie like the first time I watched it. So again, I realized I was wrong. This movie is beautiful. Matthew McConaughey is great in it. Every performance is very good. Not as good as the other ones, or maybe I don't enjoy them as much. And as I said, every one of these films blends together at this point.
00:13:31
Speaker
So it's not that I hate it, so I don't want anyone to throw hands at me once these cameras come off. No, I mean, it's not you put it at the bottom. Yeah, you put it at what, eight or nine? Yeah, it's not terrible. I'm sorry, I'm just kidding. Uh-huh, uh-huh. James is crying like Cooper watching the messages. He's crying, he's like not facing the camera. He's like Cooper and he's watching the messages. I haven't stopped making eye contact with him since. He's touching the chair, like he wants to break it. Someone better hold me back. Yeah, I'm Russell Crowe in LA Confidential.
00:13:54
Speaker
I haven't seen you blink since I said it either. It's really starting to freak me out. But yeah, that's nice. You look like Patrick Bateman in the business card scene. Yeah, it's freaking me out. It even has a watermark. Actually, I had a similar experience because I saw past lives with a lovely woman and I think that enhanced my experience. Just like it enhanced your experience. It did enhance my experience because she really enjoyed it and she had never seen it before.
00:14:15
Speaker
and I was doing the rewatch of this, so it was nice. She enjoyed, that's all that matters, man. Yeah, yeah. I was like, oh, you haven't seen her, so I just happened to have to watch it this week before I go to California. And she was like, oh, that's great, let's watch it. I was like, perfect. So let's hope she doesn't listen to this episode. That'd be a weird way to find out.
00:14:33
Speaker
But yeah, that was, that was mine. That was your five? That was my five, yeah. Bottom five, what you got? So I have, starting with twelve, and I know... You made it sound like you like this movie a lot. I didn't love it, it's the prestige I have at last place. No! I'll leave it, bye! Hunt takes it! I know, I know, I just... That's the hottest take I've ever heard.
00:14:56
Speaker
I just couldn't get it. Like when I was watching it, I was just watching two guys putting on different facial hair and shooting each other. What kind of movie was this? I was just watching it like, is this just going to be the whole movie? And it did get better throughout. It's definitely not a bad movie.
00:15:13
Speaker
but I think I watched it Thursday night before we left so I was super tired anyway so it might just be like a bad watching experience but also at the end and spoiler alert when Bale gets hung and he says any last words I was watching the TV I sarcastically went
00:15:29
Speaker
Abracadabra. He goes, Abracadabra, I just lost it. Was it your first watch of it? It was, yeah. Okay, so sometimes Nolan movies, they can be overwhelming, like Tenet, like Dunkirk, and I think like Oppenheimer. I've heard it's much better. It gets so rewarding on repeat viewings, like it's a movie that's very intricate, and I guarantee it might change your mind, like over the next couple of years, if you give it a few more watches, you might really appreciate it more.
00:15:56
Speaker
It is one that I want to watch again, as well as the next one, which is the one I also watched for the first time the other day. It's Memento.
00:16:08
Speaker
I didn't love it because I kind of figured out that it was, um, what's her name's boyfriend who did it at the end. Like she just mentioned the name and it was Jimmy G. So I just had it figured out like halfway through. And then the twist of the end where he does say like the guy, I forget the cop's name, but he's been making him do it the whole time. That was really, really good. And I really liked it. But I think just as a whole, great performances, really, really cool concept, but I, it just kind of fell flat for me, but it's again one I definitely want to watch again.
00:16:34
Speaker
But I would say Memento is the hardest one to emotionally connect to, in a way, of all the Sims. I'm a John G. Christ! I do not vouch for his answer, it says... Hey, I put Memento at 10, so it's just one off. There's no wrong answers here, boys. We're all friends for now. Except for the prestige answer. We're all friends while the camera's on.
00:17:00
Speaker
Number 10, I have Dark Knight Rises, which again, not a bad movie, but definitely, in my opinion, the weakest of the Batman trilogy. And there's just so many scenes in that movie, just little parts that kind of throw you off, like Marion. I always forgot I'd pronounce her last name.
00:17:16
Speaker
But when she dies in the truck, when she dies in the truck and just kind of takes like a deep breath and just drops her head. It's the worst death scene ever.
Critique of Dark Knight Rises and Memento
00:17:24
Speaker
It's terrible. And for an Oscar winning actress to do, I was like, oh man, it's hard. That's a bad moment. I bet it's like the only one they had in focus because they only shoot on Iodax film. They were probably like, we have two minutes to get this shot. Just fucking shoot it. Yeah.
00:17:38
Speaker
I've seen better fake deaths from three-year-olds. She is an amazing actress. I will say Oscar winner. She's incredible But number nine I have following which first movie just iron out the kink and he did an amazing job But I think shortest movie there's a lot of stuff going on in a short amount of time It's just very jumbled my opinion, but still really really great and worth the watch. It's only well like an hour ten So if you're looking for just a quick movie, it's really really good and then at number eight I have Dunkirk
00:18:09
Speaker
Because it's a really, really good movie. But I really, really like history. And it's just not the best at it. Like, I love he took so much effort into putting in real spitfires and putting in French soldiers and French African soldiers and doing all that. But when you look at the beach, there's supposed to be 400000 people on there and there's like maybe 5000 extra. You hate CGI, man. Yeah. There's some CGI guys in there.
00:18:34
Speaker
No, they did a cardboard cutout. No, there's both. Oh, yeah, a little bit. I think it's his one movie where his hatred for CGI really hurt him. So I think that's just why it lowers it down. Great movie. Just it just could have been better if he was willing to use some CGI elements to add just people. Yeah.
00:18:52
Speaker
Alright, I mean, hey man, I don't hate your list. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, everyone's doing a great job. Stop being such a people pleaser. Everybody gets a trophy. I'm both good cop and bad cop. I want everyone to like me, okay? It's my turn. It's my turn.
00:19:09
Speaker
And I'm going to preface this by saying, I love every one of these movies. They're all amazing. And I'm going to start number 12. I have Following. It's great. I've only seen it once, but for a first feature film, it's really terrific. It's intricate. I mean, nonlinear storytelling is very a confident thing to do for your first film, especially if you pull it off really well. So that's impressive as hell.
00:19:29
Speaker
Number eleven I have insomnia again when you're ranking Nolan's movies. This is a great movie It's a really terrific mystery Lots of great kind of playing with time start starting to play with time a little bit here obviously in Alaska There's no there's no night at this time of year. So it's just like am I awake am I asleep? so Nolan's always been playing with time and all of his movies except for really dark night and dark night rises and
00:19:51
Speaker
And number 10 I have, The Dark Knight Rises, which in scope is one of his biggest movies. Insanely impressive, Anthony is angry as hell at me. Look at that face. You look like Bane. I love this movie again. I love you. But again, of all the Batman movies, I'm putting it third for Nolan's trilogy. But the scope is incredible. And like, who is it? Tommy around saying the little things here and there in that movie, just like,
00:20:15
Speaker
you notice them. It takes you out of the experience a little bit of how great of a filmmaker. I mean, he's a great filmmaker, but there's a little things. So you're saying he sucks at making movies. There's little scenes in the Dark Knight Rises that you'd seldom see in a Nolan movie. I wouldn't call them mistakes, but more of kind of taking you out of the illusion of being in a movie like that. The death of Mary of, um, okay. Yeah. Yeah. And then some of the background act, some of the fighting is off in that movie. It's a little slow.
00:20:40
Speaker
There's a few fighting sequences where some of the guys are like, they're not even fighting that hard. It's like The Last Jedi fight. Yeah, it's exactly like that. And you never see stuff like that in all the movies. Usually he has all that stuff trimmed up, but I think the scope was so big of a movie that they were trying, and we got to film, we got to film. Next up, I have Tenet.
00:20:56
Speaker
I really enjoyed Tenet. I've seen it, I think, five times. We did a great episode breaking it down because a lot of people were confused about it and still are confused about it. I think the soundtrack's incredible. It's the first time he didn't work with Christopher Nolan since he's been, I mean, with Hans Zimmer since he's been working with Hans, who took over after, well, for Batman Begins and then after The Prestige because David Julian was his composer for Memento and The Prestige. But Tenet's awesome. The ideas are impressive and massive and I love
00:21:23
Speaker
this new sort of not exactly time travel, but time inversion, these kind of new rules you've never really seen in a movie before of not traveling technically through time to a specific point, but inverting through time, which has already been set. It's already happened going forwards and backwards. This concept of this organization, tenant agents, do they even travel through years of time or they just constantly inverting, reverting? Do they ever, do they ever leave that point? So I think it's a great
00:21:50
Speaker
Bond movie. It's Nolan's Bond movie for sure. And John David Washington's an awesome lead-in. I love that movie. And obviously our pets. So charming. So charming. And then number one, two, three, four. Yeah. My next one, which will be number eight is Memento. So I think I got a little higher than everyone so far. Wow. You put it over some big ones. I think it's just such an impressive script.
00:22:14
Speaker
for really your first official feature in terms of he made falling, but like an actual studio picture. He's got like three to $5 million to work with now. He's got a solid star and Guy Pearce at the time. He wasn't super famous, but he's really great in this movie. And it's a really complex script telling it forwards and backwards at the same time, really just one character piece. How do you entice an audience to stay invested the whole time? Every time I watch, I get something new out of it. I see new things.
00:22:40
Speaker
It's complex, incredible filmmaking. I love the black and white and the color filmography filmmaking as well. And I think it's a really special mystery and has a great twist conclusion at the end. And I love it. Nice pick. Nice pick. So that's my bottom five of all my favorite Nolan movies, because they're all my favorites. Excellent. I like your list in those so far. Thank you. Appreciate it. I like yours. Except Tenant.
00:23:02
Speaker
It's okay. It's okay. It's okay. All right, Anthony, why don't you lead us off with your number seven on your ranking. I'm gonna go with The Dark Knight Rises.
00:23:12
Speaker
I think it's really epic and so much fun. I love Bane. I love this version of Catwoman. I think Anne Hathaway did a really fantastic job. And Tom Hardy was an excellent follow-up to Heath Ledger's Joker. Like, how do you make another villain that can be comparable? In some ways, Tom Hardy's Bane is in a different way so fantastic as an antagonist against Batman. But for me, what separates this from any other
00:23:38
Speaker
A comic book movie is to see your hero literally get fucking destroyed. Because I think Bane beating the shit out of Batman is one of the most powerful scenes I've ever seen in a comic book movie. Like, you never see that happen. Like, to just get fucking decimated by the villain halfway through the movie. I was just in shock. I love the score. This is when Hans Zimmer did it on his own. So James Newton Howard didn't compliment it with Bruce Wayne themes. It was just Hans on this one. But some of my favorite music to listen to was the Dark Knight Rises music.
00:24:06
Speaker
I just think the filmmaking is really phenomenal. That opening scene, there's a lot of IMAX film used in this movie, so this grand scale, I just think it's really cool. And I like the idea of holding the Gotham City hostage. I think that was a really cool plan to see. There's no sky beam, there's nothing crazy, but you do need to have some high stakes being the third film. I think that Nolan came up with a really cool concept for the conflict, and I just really adore the film.
00:24:33
Speaker
So well, well said. Thanks man. Why do I gotta follow that up? You gonna move it up your list now? No, it's still there. Still chilling. So I guess I like this movie more than everyone else here. I have Memento. Memento. Just because, as you were saying, everyone else said, it's a great script. And after the first act I was kind of like,
00:24:53
Speaker
Oh God, like, am I not gonna enjoy this? And then by the third act, I was like, this is one of the best movies I've ever seen. Like I was so invested and the final 15 minutes are incredible. Guy Pearce is so charismatic on screen. Everything about this movie, I love. I love the mix between color and black and white, everything like that. I love the tattoos. Just like the decision to have that be the way you remember is just notes and everything like that. I just love it. I just think it's such a cool concept, making it from the short story.
00:25:21
Speaker
Guy Pearce is incredible. And yeah, I think this is when Nolan really was like, you want to see what I can do? And he just showed everyone how good of a director you can be. Great pick.
00:25:32
Speaker
I think for my number seven, I have, and just to preface all this, everything from here on out is a great movie.
Interstellar and Batman Begins Analysis
00:25:39
Speaker
There's no bad movies. He's never made a bad movie, but the rest of these are all- I was not liking it like the Prestige movie. I clearly remember you saying the Prestige fucking sucks. It's the closest one to fucking sucking, but it's not bad.
00:25:53
Speaker
But I have a number seven interstellar. Oh, so you're not going to offend me guys. Yeah, it's not. Seven is not that bad. They all look at me like, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I don't want to make a tattoo of Cooper on his back. Don't let me go. But I think this one.
00:26:11
Speaker
As a viewing experience, 10 out of 10. It's incredible to look at. But I think the story as a whole, although there are really emotional scenes, like the scene where obviously he's talking to his kids as they're growing up, just watching the videos. It's one of the few movie moments that's ever made me tear up, let alone cry. But as a whole, I think it's just a little weak in the story part of it.
00:26:34
Speaker
It never did it for me. As much as I love watching it because it just looks incredible and all the space stuff and black holes, it just looks amazing. The story just never really grabbed me. Like it grabbed a lot of other people. So I think that's why it's a little lower on my list. But again, definitely not a bad movie and just a super fun watch if you're sitting with friends or something.
00:26:53
Speaker
How old are you guys? I'm 22. I'm 20. Did you guys see this in theaters, Interstellar? See, I think like if you guys saw it in theaters, it would have been crazy. It was one of my favorite cinematic experiences of my life. It was like a really special movie to see like at IMAX theater. I never seen anything like it before. I feel like a lot of people didn't see a lot of movies like in theaters and it's kind of, I feel like
00:27:13
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When I see a movie in theater, especially like that, like Oppenheimer was like a life-changing experience. I don't know about you guys. I left that theater and I was like, the first time I was like, what's not a life-changing experience for you at the theater? It's a good point. I mean, mission positive of my life didn't change. But Oppenheimer, my life changed. That's $7 million.
00:27:35
Speaker
I highly recommend next year's the 10-year anniversary. See it in theaters. They're gonna be re-released. Yeah, are they? See Interstellar in IMAX. Definitely will. I think it'll change your opinion on it. Not that slow. I mean, Seven's fine. Seven's great. Seven's fine. Oldboy's re-releasing this month, isn't it? Oh, yeah, I guess. I'm excited to watch that. Oh, we're seeing it be great. Have you guys ever seen it? You haven't seen it yet, right? No. Save it for theaters. Save it for too much top-down favorite all time. All time.
00:27:57
Speaker
Did it change your life? What do you saw? Yeah, pretty much every movie changed my life somehow. All right, anyways, let me get this moving. My turn. My number seven on my list is Batman Begins. I adore this movie. You know, I feel like every time I think about what's my favorite superhero movie, I always go to either The Dark Knight, but also I love Batman Begins. I think it might be my favorite.
00:28:23
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of the trilogy may be my favorite superhero movie of all time. I adore this film. I think the first hour is the best hour of a superhero movie possibly ever. It's an incredible first act, the best kind of creation of a superhero in terms of the origin story.
00:28:39
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As well as the non-linear storytelling of Bruce as he becomes Batman and switching to linear about an hour in. I love Ra's al Ghul as a villain. The music like Anthony said is some of the most listened to in my life. This might be maybe my most watched movie of all time. It's just an ultimate comfort movie of mine.
00:28:55
Speaker
I really adore it. It's my favorite origin story of a character becoming a superhero and seeing what drove a character like Bruce Wayne to take on the persona of this bat vigilante, what led him there. He's a fucking ninja. It's so cool training on a glacier. It's awesome, man. I love this movie. I think it's for sure my favorite tech for Batman as well.
00:29:19
Speaker
And I mean, Alfred is my favorite Alfred. And then bringing Lucius Fox in, I think that's a huge benefit to this trilogy of all the recent Batman's we've gotten. I think having Lucius and Alfred together as kind of like the father figures of Bruce is really important to this trilogy. But I think Batman begins for me. It's got a special place in my heart forever. It's my favorite origin story too. I think it's the best superhero origin story we've gotten.
00:29:43
Speaker
I think it's great. How old were you when it came out? 15. We were born in 1990, so we were prime age for it. Who's made for us? It was a life-changing experience for me. I know it was, because apparently every movie you see in the theater is life-changing. What was it, O5 came out? O5. It was like two. And you didn't see it? No. Why is it on your top of your list now? It's a life-changing experience.
00:30:12
Speaker
Alright, I think we got for number six. Next round. Number six. I have Interstellar. Interstellar is great. I love it. Everyone looks at me! It's before the show. Oh yeah, we want to make sure you get your feelings turned. Everyone's turned. It's so funny!
00:30:28
Speaker
I love Interstellar. I think it's really fantastic. I was so curious about it from the trailer and I think it's like an all-time movie trailer. That trailer fucking slapped with the music and everything. McConaughey was unbelievable. It's my favorite McConaughey performance. There's so much going for it. Hoyt van Hoytama coming on a cinematographer using the most IMAX film they've ever used for this and I love space. I love sci-fi.
00:30:53
Speaker
And I just think it's just a flat out one of the better space movies of the century. And even though I have it at number six, I still think it's like one of the best movies that we've seen in the last 20 years because no one's made so many incredible ones. But just for me, comparing it to the rest on my list, I think that the other ones have slightly better screenplays overall.
00:31:16
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But there's still some really interesting stuff. I love the Tesseract. I love the future that we get into. I love the idea of playing with time on Miller's planet. There's so many things that work for the film. And it's probably Hans Zimmer's best score. It could be his best score he's ever done. But that's hard. I mean, it's hard to pin that down too.
00:31:37
Speaker
For a director to step out of the Batman genre and to do a huge science fiction film again after Inception, it was a major step forward for him as a director to do something wholly his own again, show people that he's just not an IP director.
00:31:52
Speaker
Great. That's why we're the top dogs, baby. He gives the best one. He's part of the show. I don't just say it changed my life every time. That's just my conclusion to my incredible anecdotes. In conclusion, it changed my life. See the difference? Moving on. I have Dark Knight Rises, another movie that I didn't like.
00:32:22
Speaker
Well, I love because I saw eight times in theaters when it came out. Then I... Eight times? Yeah, I fell in love with this movie. It was life changing. It was life changing. And then I hated it for a couple of years. And then as I started rewatching it more and more these less, probably since the podcast started, I've grown to really enjoy the movie. And as much as I don't like Bale's voice in the third one, I think his Batman voice is too much. Like, that's why I think Batman Begins is his best turn as Batman.
00:32:50
Speaker
But having to follow up The Dark Knight and having to follow Pete Ledger as Joker and all that, they made it work somehow with someone that I was not sold on playing Bane with Tom Hardy and everything like that. And I just think the movie's really well done. And I love the ending, except for the whole scene with Robin, which I think is one of the dumbest scenes ever. I love that. I love it. Goosebumps, man. You should use that. Robin, I like that. You should use your real name.
00:33:19
Speaker
say like you don't want to say dick yeah the theater erupted everybody was like that was fan service that was 100 fan service i think we had different theater experience i don't think anyone cheered in my theater oh we we erupted man dude our theater was a madhouse
00:33:35
Speaker
Well, he always puts those canon things in there, like Auntie Brad breaking Batman's back. That's a famous canon event. But even the guy, Rhys, who's gonna tell everyone who Batman is in Dark Knight, his name is Mr. Rhys. So Mr. Rhys, people think that he might be Edward Enigma in a different, like he might be the Riddler. Mr. Rhys, Mr. Rhys. So little things like that, he always peppers in, I feel like. Mr. Rhys. No, I think it was just being a big Robin fan, just with the comics and everything.
00:34:04
Speaker
I just want them to say one of the actual Robin character's names, not just say Robin. But that's something like that's for the mainstream. Yeah, no, it makes sense. Like if they say your favorite Robin. Oh, God. This is a hot take. Jason Todd is my favorite Robin, which is no one ever agrees with me on. But I've never cried a comic except for death in the femme death in the family. And I think Jason Todd's so much fun to watch this round because I love like the little gray area kind of hero.
00:34:33
Speaker
And just seeing someone that Batman Lee has to be like, okay, you're grounded from being around. Like, you can't do this. Cause he's breaking people's collarbones. He's almost killing people all the time. Like, I don't know. I love Jason Todd. So yeah, I wish they said Jason. That would have been cool. See, if they said Jason, I would have been like, who the fuck is Jason? Oh my God. I would have, I would have screamed if I would have just been me. Cause we don't know the comics. I don't know anything about Robin. I'm just curious. I would have been like, why do they say his name is Jason? What the fuck does that mean?
00:35:00
Speaker
You're like, is that supposed to mean something? Yeah, it would have meant nothing to me. Yeah, that makes sense. My number six is going to be Batman Begins. Amazing start to the Batman trilogy. He just immediately hit the ground running, especially with Bale and Liam Neeson as Ra's al Ghul was a great villain, especially going for Ra's al Ghul in the first movie.
00:35:25
Speaker
It's pretty ballsy move considering but I think he really really pulled it off just everybody in this movie is fantastic Alfred's great Lucius Fox is great He just really brought Batman to the screen Not like no Batman has ever been before like no superheroes every bit before it was the most realistic and probably still is the most realistic superhero movie just because
00:35:50
Speaker
You know, Batman gets this shit kicked out of him, especially throughout the trilogy, like breaks his back. But other than that, he's just he has no cartilage left throughout the end of the trilogy. I mean, he just makes it so grounded and so real and gives a great explanation for everything. It's just a great movie. Great start to a trilogy. That's a good point, how he didn't do Joker first. I'm sure the studio was like, you don't want to do the Joker. No one's like, I'm gonna do my own thing.
00:36:15
Speaker
Even Matt Reeves did it in his first one, which I think was a mistake. Now everyone does the Joker. You know what I mean? You just teased the Joker in the first one. The card was so great, just having the card. No, I'm talking about Matt Reeves. They shot it. No, I know they shot it. They shot it. No, but like as the main villain. No, but yeah, but they wanted to put him in there and they shot it, you know? I mean, I think they still made it, you know what I mean? They made the decision to do it.
00:36:35
Speaker
Yeah, but I think that's a great point that you know not doing Joker the obvious pick as you accept the franchise you guys set up the world and Ross is not a huge villain like he's big in the context it's kind of a big bed, but I guess I get like mainstream I wouldn't say he's even in the top five villains that you'd pick like mr. Freeze Bane like they all come down. Mm-hmm
00:36:55
Speaker
Not Ra's al Ghul, which I was trying to make it real and bring realism to it. Like Mr. Freeze doesn't make a ton of sense in this world. Bane made a lot of sense. And I thought the Riddler would have made a lot of sense. But Ra's, because he can bring himself and deage himself with the Lazarus Pit. So there's like this whole thing. But I was shocked and it works.
00:37:12
Speaker
I think it makes sense going from there at some point. I think it makes sense going from showing the training to showing Roz being the bad guy. You're allowed to stick with him throughout the whole movie instead of seeing the training with Roz and then just a whole new villain. So I think that it makes it work even better that he's through the entire movie. I love it.
The Prestige and Inception's Legacy
00:37:32
Speaker
All right. My number six is going to be Dunkirk.
00:37:35
Speaker
I think this is maybe the best war film of the century. And from a craft of filmmaking standpoint, I've always thought it was Nolan's best film until I saw Oppenheimer in terms of filmmaking. It's just astounding. Like Eddie said, changing the genre of
00:37:54
Speaker
of war films like you said not showing anyone getting shot really just a few bullets here and there in the beginning i guess someone gets shot in the opening right yeah the four guys get shot two of them as a squadron but aside from that you know it's more about the soldiers themselves and the fear of being on that beach and then the triptych storytelling is so fascinating and i know a lot of people didn't pick up on it the first time they saw the triptych storytelling with
00:38:15
Speaker
uh one week by beach about and then one hour in the air and then about a day by water but just having the the balls to just do that in a war movie at the same time is making a great war epic so i thought it was really clever but also only Nolan does stuff like that and he's got to figure out a way to play with time because you know he didn't do it in dark night rises really didn't do in the dark night he did obviously an inception i mean interstellar an inception but he's probably like how can i get time into a war movie
00:38:41
Speaker
But I think it's just brilliant filmmaking, some of the best cinematography from Hoyt van Hoytema. We've seen the last several years so much IMAX footage and IMAX film using this movie. It's exceptional. It's an exceptional film. Great pick. All right, we're on to number five, right? Yes, sir. Number five, I have... Watch it closely.
00:39:04
Speaker
The Prestige, I think it's one of Nolan's best screenplays and I'm a sucker for period pieces and seeing Nolan do a period piece is so intriguing which is why Oppenheimer was so cool to see because he's known for Batman and sci-fi most notably and so to see him go to the early 1900s
00:39:25
Speaker
It's just fascinating. I love magic. I've always been fascinated with magicians as performers. They were the biggest shows of their day. They were the blockbusters. They were the biggest entertainers. So it's a fascinating thing of the star power of a magician. But also, you have to create the tricks. And spoilers, it's the best twin movie ever. So I resonate to it. I relate to it a lot as being a twin.
00:39:53
Speaker
I'm a huge Christian Bale fan. I'm a huge Hugh Jackman fan And so seeing them share the screen together was just really dynamite and Michael Caine's fantastic in it But I think it's one of his most intelligent films. I think it's something that It's so rewarding on rewatches. It's a movie I can put on any day I can watch it back-to-back days if I want to like it's something like once it's on I'm there for two and a half hours I never get tired of it
00:40:15
Speaker
David Bowie is great in it, as Tesla, Andy Serkis, Rebecca Miller, Rebecca Hall, and Scar Jo are just also fantastic. I really adore the film. I think it's one of the best honest filmography, and also it's kind of an outlier until Oppenheimer came of being the period setting.
00:40:36
Speaker
I mean, technically Dunkirk's appeared. Yeah, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, Dunkirk. Idiot. Whoa, hey. Sorry, as my Dwight Shrew came out. Yeah, it's okay, man, it's okay. Who hurt you? You, emotionally. So, I've realized I made a mistake. What'd you do? I only said four at the start. We're supposed to do five. Do two in a row. Okay, I'll just do two in a row. What were they?
00:40:58
Speaker
Counting's hard. Yeah, it is really hard. I did Batman Begins at 6 and it's my favorite portrayal of Batman ever. The origin is incredible. It's the best origin story I've ever done. I don't want to rehash everything everyone else has said. It's his best Batman voice.
00:41:16
Speaker
I think the batman begin suit is better than the dark knight and dark knight rise suit which I know is not loved I agree okay great and I think the introduction of him in the Batman suit is one of the coolest superhero scenes and one of the coolest Batman scenes ever done
00:41:31
Speaker
When he first comes down, the guy's just screaming like, where are you? And he turns around here. Jeff's kiss. But, um, yeah, I just adore the movie. I remember why I moved to my new house when it came out. I was only just sitting on like a mattress watching it on our little box TV and I loved it. But, uh, number five is the prestige. And I do really enjoy this movie. I'd never seen it before up until like a week ago.
00:41:57
Speaker
And I was really nervous because I was like, is it going to be better than The Illusionist? Oh, it's way better. Which I love. It's probably one of my most watched movies of all time. Really? I love The Illusionist. And I think that's why I never watched The Prestige because they came out in the same year. Yeah. I was like, that can't be as good. I was wrong. I was definitely wrong. The Prestige is ten times better. The Orange Trick is cute. Yeah. The Orange Trick. The Sword One, too. It's good. Yeah. I don't know what I was thinking.
00:42:22
Speaker
Jessica Biel. That's what you were thinking. That is a key. That's what I was thinking when I saw that movie. That was probably an awakening as a child. Yeah, she's such a talented actor, right? That's what we mean. Of course she is, Anthony. But yeah, no, the prestige is incredible. And I know you kind of took a shot at the end of the movie. Like, you didn't love it as much. I think the ending is incredible. I love the twist. Yeah, it's a twist. And I think Hugh Jackman is one of the most
00:42:51
Speaker
I won't say underrated. He is underrated. But I think underrated. Everyone loves him as Wolverine. But Prisoners, it's one of my favorite performances ever in that role. And I just, Christian Bale is one of the best actors ever. I love him. So yeah, that's mine.
00:43:07
Speaker
My number five, I have, this is probably higher in my list than it has any right to be, but I have insomnia at number five. I mean, I just love this movie. Like I watched it, it was the one time I got COVID.
00:43:22
Speaker
and I was quarantined in my room for 10 days and I was just watching movies all the time and I just came across it on HBO I think and I just started watching it and immediately fell in love with it because of the setting alone just Alaska in that summer months where the Sun never goes down. It's just looks incredible throughout the entire movie. Incredible setting and I also love when
00:43:48
Speaker
comedic actor is taken and put into a Not just serious but villainous role and Robin Williams did that perfectly as the killer in this movie I think all around Hilary Duff was great Al Pacino definitely hamming it up a little bit, but still really fun to watch Hilary Duff? Hilary is swaying. That's who it is. Different Hilary. I was like, who's gonna correct him? Listen to this thing.
00:44:12
Speaker
It would have been really bad if I said Clinton or something. That's even Meyers in Insomnia? Hilary Swank, that's right. Again, she was great. Everybody, the whole cast is really good. And I think it was just a really good mystery movie. And I think the mystery kind of takes a backseat. Because if you look at the poster, you see Pacino, Hilary Swank, and then Robin Williams as unincredited. So you know he's going to be the killer.
00:44:35
Speaker
I still think it was a really, really fun detective movie. It was just really fun to watch, especially watching Pacino's detective character go through all the stuff of, you know, his backstory and how he did some bad stuff in the past. I thought it was done really, really well. So I just really, really liked that movie.
00:44:50
Speaker
Sometimes the thing with Al Pacino is because he's so famous and because he's done so much great work, sometimes it looks like he's just not trying in a way. But I think it's kind of just because he's so great. You can kind of lose the performance sometimes in a film like that, but I think he's brilliant in it.
00:45:11
Speaker
But it's you have to I get I guess watch it a few more times to really see what he's doing completely because I think he's fantastic But I understand what you're saying where because he's so iconic. He's so legendary He's and he's in a way he's become a meme. Yeah, definitely so it's like it you look at him a different way because of that I think so
00:45:26
Speaker
I respect you putting up that high though, that's cool. That's great, that's a great pick. You should watch the original too, it's really great. I do wanna watch the original. Yeah, it's awesome. My number five is also the Prestige. Nice! This is one of my favorite Nolan movies to talk about. We did a great episode and it's one of my favorite we've ever done. You're great at plugging episodes. Well, I just wanna let people know, you know, if you wanna listen to more episodes, you know, if you haven't, we've done it.
00:45:48
Speaker
But just in general of all the Nolan episodes we've done that might be one of my favorite We've favorites we've talked about because there's so much to break down with the prestige and it's a really great book to film adaptation I think it's the rare exception I've brought this up before where it's the better film than book I don't think I've ever seen that with anything else when it comes to adaptations the books really good but the movie Nolan just brought to different heights and
00:46:10
Speaker
And I love the mystery and it's complex, the non-linear storytelling. And Nolan, he does, even though people find it confusing, he tells you the rules and the movie starts. He tells you exactly what's going to happen in a lot of ways. He does that with a lot of his movies, even though people say that they don't really understand what's going on. If you watch the first four minutes closely,
00:46:27
Speaker
Are you watching closely then you kind of understand the whole movie in itself is a magic trick and the whole character lines arcs of Borden is I don't know. Oh, yeah, we already spoiled it. The Borden twins is a magic trick in general and Angier, but the characters are great The story is great. We've talked about plenty great period piece wardrobe sets. Everything's awesome great mystery and Phenomenal twist didn't see it coming at the end. It was awesome
00:46:53
Speaker
Thanks guys. Take it off. Number four. Number four, I actually just watched this last week, Inception. I love Inception. I always have. I think it's one of Nolan's best films. It's one of my favorites. If I was going to put, if I had to rank my favorites, it would probably be top two, actually. I really adore it.
00:47:12
Speaker
It was very impactful when I saw it. I think it was 20 when it came out. And I'd never seen anything like it before. That hallway fight is still in a league of its own. And there's just so many incredible action sequences and visuals. And the CGI still looks better than most of what you see today. But also they did so much practicality to go with the CGI, which is why it looks so good.
00:47:34
Speaker
It's a really incredible story. I love science fiction and this is up there for all time science fiction movies. I think of all history of cinema. It's really, really magnificent movie. I love the idea of playing with this VR, playing with simulations.
00:47:50
Speaker
Because that's where we're going as a society so this is the film I think best simulation movie by far it's incredible score by Hans Zimmer Leo is like perfectly suited for the action movie archetype that Nolan likes to write in many of his movies and he had never really done it on this scale before but man he just works in that role so well and then the ensemble cast is
00:48:12
Speaker
absurd cinematography won the Oscar for Wally Pfister it's his best shot film as a cinematographer so I just adore Inception. Still the only science fiction films Leo's done right? For science fiction it's the only one.
00:48:28
Speaker
Yeah, just inception. The beach? Yeah, it's not that great, man. Yeah, the beach. Yeah, it's not sci-fi. It's just a weird movie. It's a mystery movie. It's like a drugy mystery movie. It's the rare, it's the only DiCaprio miss in the only Denny Boyle miss The Beach.
00:48:44
Speaker
Before we continue though, I wanna say that on Spotify, I'm gonna put everyone's rankings. Oh, nice. And so everyone vote on Spotify, who you think has the best list. So we'll put that, so make sure I'll put everyone's list. I'm sure you're gonna put your team first. No, no, no. I'm gonna do an order of the draft, so I'll be last.
00:49:03
Speaker
Best for last. Wow, so modest. So modest guy. Oh my God. Take it away, pal. Number four, I also have Inception. This movie, it's iconic and the entire cast is phenomenal from top to bottom.
00:49:17
Speaker
Kelly Murphy, I love him in this movie. He's good. He really is good. And I think I saw him as Scarecrow when I was a kid, but this was the first one. I was like, oh, I really like this guy's acting like just this role. Leo, I never got to really see him do like gun work and all that kind of stuff. And he looks so natural doing it, which is.
00:49:36
Speaker
Made me a lot very happy because I was like, oh God, is Leo gonna be able to pull off like looking like an action hero? And he really does, he actually does a great job with it. And just everyone, I'm mainly going off the cast. I loved every single one of them. Christopher Nolan made a movie that I can watch over and over and over and over again.
00:49:53
Speaker
Yeah, you're seeing blood diamond. I've seen blood. Yeah, he's great. He doesn't look as great in blood. I will say Leo is the most awkward runner I've ever seen the way he runs. He's just got that lanky like it's almost as funny as when you see Timothy Shalom a walk you like Yeah, he's got a weird walk like he's got like duck legs
00:50:11
Speaker
It's like knees are out wide. Like you know, it's Timothy Chalamet walking. Like if you saw it in public a bit. That's my one knock on him is Paul Atreides. He's like, Paul wouldn't walk like that. He's got a funny stride. It's like big dick energy stride, but also like my legs are too long for my body. Gumby legs. Yeah, he's got Gumby legs. He's like a stick figure with just stick figure legs. And apparently a big dick too. It's an energy. It's got three legs. It's an energy, Anthony. It's a common thing that kids say.
00:50:42
Speaker
With my number four, I gotta go, I mean, the foghorn that took the world by storm. I'm also going in, Inception. Oh my God! It changed music, that score changed music. Oh my God, it's crazy. Every single trailer for that entire decade was just, wah, like every time. But yeah, I mean, you guys both said it. It's just an amazing movie with amazing performances. Super, super cool concept.
00:51:08
Speaker
a dream heist I mean it's awesome it's super cool sci-fi and the fact that he did so much stuff in real life like to train through LA and how they had to like cover the Sun because it wasn't cloudy in LA so they had to just cover up the Sun for like a day it's crazy
00:51:26
Speaker
All the practical effects, the CGI looks great and the story's really, really good. Yeah, I mean, there's not much else to say, just a great movie. Plus, so successful for being an original idea made almost $900 million, which is crazy.
00:51:41
Speaker
And I think it's really interesting looking at what it was almost supposed to be because when he was originally working on it It started off as a horror movie, but then he wasn't able to make it at that time So I waited a little bit worked on a little more became what it was But they also talked about making a video game out of it, which I would still love to see
00:51:58
Speaker
Yeah, he looked into it. He ended up not committing to it. But there's what's what's interesting. There are some horror elements to the film. Yeah, that work. Definitely. Well, most terrifying. Yeah, the scissors and when she stabs Ariane, there's some horror elements for that work. I would love to see the horror version. That would be sick.
00:52:16
Speaker
Great pick. You know, it's kind of funny. We all picked Inception at number four. We did it. All four of us. I mean, y'all said it perfectly. The music is incredible. The visuals are stunning. Huge practical sets like the spinning hallway still lives rent free in my head. And I love this movie. I love the ambiguous ending. And yeah, I mean, I won't talk anymore about it because we just broke it. Beat that horse to death.
00:52:39
Speaker
I do want to ask, what do you guys think the ending is? I think that, I think that he woke up and I think he's home, but also I think that it doesn't matter. I think that Cobb, whether he has woken up or not is just happy now, wherever he is. Cause now he saw his kid's face. Yeah. I think that he woke up, but I also saw, uh, there's a recent Nolan interview where he was asked at a Q and a about, and he said, uh, if you see Michael Caine on screen, then it's real life.
00:53:05
Speaker
So I think he woke up because if he didn't wake up, that's just more sad. I just want him. I just want Cobb. But like he said, it doesn't matter because Cobb decides that it doesn't matter to him. I think he woke up. I also want his kids to see him like his real kids. Philippa!
00:53:25
Speaker
All right, number three. Here we go.
Oppenheimer's Artistic and Cultural Impact
00:53:28
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I have Oppenheimer at number three. I think it's the best film of the year. I think it's Nolan's greatest achievement as an artist. But overall, I don't think it's his best film. But I think he's gonna win a ton of Oscars this year. There's really nothing like this in terms of a biopic.
00:53:49
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And he is just firing on all cylinders from every aspect of production top down. The cast is unbelievable. Killian was sublime in his lead role. I love the cinematography. I love the score. Ludwig Gorinson did a really remarkable job creating this music that ties so perfectly with the imagery.
00:54:10
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I am a big fan of film, and I'm an even bigger fan of IMAX film, and they shot a ton of IMAX film on this movie. And if you see this in an IMAX theater, especially a real IMAX 70mm, it is just unbelievable. It's so breathtaking. It's just really the film of the year, I think, and it's going to be hard to beat. I think that Nolan did something really special. I think it was important for him
00:54:36
Speaker
And I've had this kind of just like, kind of worrying thing about social media and film. And recently, it's just, I think it's been too embracing of just blockbusters, just superheroes, just Star Wars. And it got to the point where every time I went on TikTok, it was like Star Wars or Marvel. And I was just like, does anyone care about any other movies? And then Oppenheimer blew up on TikTok. It blew up on social media.
00:55:02
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And it's just wonderful to see that a lot of young people, they're like making video memes about Oppenheimer and dissecting scenes. And that's what people are talking about right now. This past month is just, Barbie obviously, but also Oppenheimer, like a period piece about physicists talking in a room.
00:55:19
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And it got people, got young people excited about movies in a way I'd never seen before. And so I think that it's such an impactful movie and I'm really happy that it's doing so well, not just with the box office, but for how it's reaching new generations of movie fans. So I think it's really important.
00:55:38
Speaker
I hate following you up on this. Every one of your things, I hate it. You get used to it. My number three is Tenant, and I thought that was gonna be a lot more controversial than it was, but then Seaman.
00:55:51
Speaker
But, uh, I can say movie dude. Yeah. My friends won't watch it cause like, Oh, it doesn't have good reviews. I'm like, that doesn't matter. Why? Oh my God. I must remove them from your life. No, 3.6. Not good enough for me to watch, but I'm just going to watch another episode of this random show that I've seen 10 times now that
00:56:12
Speaker
That is my friend. He's been watching The Americans for seven years now. He still hasn't finished it. It's horrible. You know, I'm talking about. But it was the first thing I did when I came back from basic training. I was in Wyoming with my dad teaching a surveillance class and we're the only people in this huge IMAX theater. And I remember walking out of theater, I was like, that is by far my favorite Christopher Nolan film. I was like, I adore that movie. I think I put it as my number two movie of the year.
00:56:37
Speaker
Everything about this movie is, to me, just below perfect for my love. Robert Pattinson, he just plays Bruce Wayne with a British accent. It's amazing. John Day Washington, me and Ryan talked about he's got a great strut. And the action scenes in this are probably, in my opinion, no one's best filmed action sequences. And the whole final, yeah, the final action set piece.
00:57:03
Speaker
is it's amazing and the ending so good it's so sad and I know me you disagree on what the ending is but um yeah no I love tenant and I will never stop defending that movie well not from the air don't be so dramatic what do you guys disagree about at the ending
00:57:21
Speaker
I don't think, you know how people think that what's her name's kid is Neil? Yeah. I don't think so. Hey man, it's not proven. It's not. I think it'd be really cool. But since it's time inversion, he would have had to just go back like however many years just going back, not talking to anybody. So I think it's just a little over the top. I can change your mind right now.
00:57:39
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is that
00:57:55
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I'm sorry. So when you think about tenant and tenant agents who spend their entire life in this organization, don't think about them inverting or reverting for long periods of times, like on a ship for 30 years. Think about it. They're constantly going back and forth in the same time. So they may never leave the same year.
00:58:16
Speaker
because maybe they're spending a week reverting, spending another month inverting, spending two days reverting, spending a day inverting. So they're constantly just think of an tenant agent just going like that. They never really progress with the timeline of normal people. But they're aging. But they're aging, hence why Neil maybe in five, ten years, protagonist takes him under his wing and trains him up to be a tenant agent, goes to school. So constantly inverting, reverting. And then with Ives, you can say he never lived past the year 2020. Exactly. Yeah.
00:58:44
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He's always been there, he's always been part of the organization. Maybe he runs Tenet now, you don't know. So when you think of Tenet agents, don't think of... Because I made a clip about this, and someone was like, someone... What's it called when they stitched us? And the opening was like, this guy, he did my bit, and he's like, what an idiot, this is the worst take ever. I can't wait to see what this guy says. And then he...
00:59:04
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did everything, not saying that that's you, but the way he attacked us about it, but he didn't think like a tenant agent, they are not traveling 30 years at a time in the future than reverting 30 years. That makes sense.
00:59:17
Speaker
Mind-blowing. It's making a little bit of sense. I got you. Just watch our episode, bro. This is time. They're not moving with time. They're just chilling. So, Sir Michael, I like to look at it as Sir Michael, that character is Ives, the guy with the beard, and he's never actually lived, seen past 2020. He's just constantly been reverting, inverting, reverting, inverting. He's never seen 2021.
00:59:42
Speaker
But he's aged 40 years. Every mission requires either to invert or revert or do both constantly. When you watch the movie, protagonist inverts and reverts like seven times. And Barb Pattinson, he's in the final battle five different times. And guess where the climax is? The climax is mentioned with Sir Michael in the beginning of the movie. The stall-small explosions happens at the same time as the opening scene.
01:00:04
Speaker
So there's really like 6 Niels Walker. Yeah there's 6 Niels. I was counting them while I was fighting. And the more Rob Pattinson's the better. The problem is a lot of people look at it as time travel and that's what confuses them but it's not time travel. Because time travel you're just being put into a different time period. You're just transported there. But inversion is you actually like move, you're flowing in time and inverted.
01:00:45
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miniatures as well, not to mention predicting what a black hole would look like with the help of Kip Thorne, the physicist. Incredible cinematography. I think Nolan's most emotional film yet I wept, wept during the scene where Coop is watching the playback of his children aging and obviously Murph doesn't want to talk to him at this point, but watching Casey Affleck's character age, Timothy Chalamet as well and what happens in watching the
01:00:49
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cool man.
01:01:08
Speaker
The reaction to Cooper is just monumentally emotional for me, as well as one of the greatest secret cameos ever. I completely forgot Matt Damon was in this movie and then we saw it in theaters. I don't know if you guys saw it, you guys didn't see it in theaters. It was a massive audience gone. We all went, whoa, my God, like insane.
01:01:28
Speaker
Everybody was like, I almost stood up. I couldn't believe when Matt Damon came out of that sleeping chamber. Holy shit. What a secret. I'm not sure if you guys know, but he was not billed, not credited, and he was not involved in the marketing at all. So nobody knew he was in the movie. And then you're in that scene and then you're like, oh, I wonder who the scientist is. Just gonna be some random actor. An hour and a half in. And then Matt Damon sits up and the whole audience was like, oh my god.
01:01:53
Speaker
What the fuck? It was like when Steve Rogers picks up Thor's hammer. It was like that kind of reaction. It was like everyone was like, said something out loud. Let's go! So like just all these great pieces of filmmaking that we've been talking about for Interstellar, the music. I love the third act and I just love space and I love space movies. We've had a lot this century. We've had a lot of great space movies but I think this is the peak so far.
01:02:24
Speaker
My favorite movie scene of all time is the docking sequence of Interstellar. The docking scene is incredible. My favorite scene ever and I adore it. I could talk about this movie for like until tomorrow if you want but... Nope, we move on. That's enough. Yeah, we don't have time for that. I'll listen to Anthony talk.
01:02:48
Speaker
Before you go, I know I've had some bad takes but I did get skipped for number three I don't know if that was on purpose you I just want to say they're skip you You're talking. Yeah, it's mine's also the world doesn't revolve around you, right? Yeah, I'm so sorry
01:03:07
Speaker
I just want to make sure that people get my full list so they can vote me as the best, the best normal man. That's all I care about. So number three for me is Tenet. Sorry, yeah, we just went on that tangent about Tenet. No, it was great. He got fired. I temporal pincered him. Oh, stuck for him. More like you erased him. I'm sorry, man. Thanks for letting us know.
The Dark Knight and Film Scoring
01:03:26
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Do you have anything to say about Tenet? I mean, nothing you guys didn't say. The only thing is that...
01:03:32
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Lovey Gorinson just came right in swinging. I mean, we watched it together the other day and the second it started, the second they get out of the van at the Opera House scene in the beginning, and it just kicks in with that synth. It's amazing. I still listen to that score all the time. I listened to it yesterday on the road. He did most of that score himself in his studio because they'd recorded it over lockdown. And all the guitar he did, all the synths, he did all the percussion.
01:03:58
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They hired, he recorded some musicians via Zoom and stuff, but he did like a majority of that score just himself, which is crazy, because they were so limited.
01:04:09
Speaker
Yeah, I would walk the halls in high school just listening to that in my AirPods. We would have been friends in high school. That's interesting because the walk halls listening to AirPods, that's a weird sentence to me. I know, yeah. In school, it was 2004 when we went to high school. 2004 and 2008. Yeah, we're old. No, I'm just saying, we didn't have earbuds. I mean, we had headphones, but it wasn't calm. You weren't allowed to be listening. We had iPods, but you weren't allowed to be listening. Oh yeah, you were going to take it away.
01:04:37
Speaker
Now teachers are way more lenient about technology like our teachers probably have all the kids they all just have their iPhones out all day in class like what we couldn't even bring our iPod so we had like 10 songs on that there's no reason to have your there was no internet on your phone yeah and also you had to pay for text yes yeah we know we're selling old
01:05:03
Speaker
Anyways moving on Really aging ourselves on the show. We're at the number two level of this ranking This was the big guns now guys. It's the big guns at number two. I have Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight
01:05:18
Speaker
Oh, you didn't put it number one. I did not put it number one. The Dark Knight changed film, changed blockbuster filmmaking and changed the idea of what comic movies could be. And it really created the influx of that genre, but also redefined the genre. It was kind of like a deconstruction of what the superhero is. I'm a huge Michael Mann fan and Heat is one of my all time favorite movies and
01:05:42
Speaker
Seeing a Batman film made in the vein of Michael Mann's heat was just fucking glorious and this was the first time major IMAX film footage had been used in a theatrical release narrative film and I mean just that opening bank robbery scene with that full-frame IMAX is it was I was in theaters in my jaw dropped just from the opening of pushing in on the building and
01:06:07
Speaker
And I remember being like eighteen, I was just like, what the fuck? This is crazy. It's just like a very simple shot, but no one is defined by a simplicity of his filmmaking. And that's why it really resonates, I think, so well. But also you have incredible action, incredible performances. Heath Ledger obviously doing his thing. What everything's already been said about him as an actor in this role.
01:06:28
Speaker
I really liked the interpretation of Two-Face in this film and I loved Gary Oldman as Gordon. I think it's the best version of Gordon that we've seen on screen. But also what's really great about this film is the story. The screenplay is really terrific.
01:06:44
Speaker
I love the third act how it's not really about Batman trying to stop a bomb not trying to stop like a big device or something It's really about the metaphor of these two forces Joker and Batman fighting for the soul of Gotham Where Joker is trying to corrupt the soul of Gotham and Batman is trying to show that the soul of Gotham is still intact and the two ships
01:07:09
Speaker
Deciding whether they could should kill one another and ending up deciding not to I think that that was such a strong way to have the final conflict for the story rather it being just like some big huge action sequence so it was actually a deep story and very resonant human themes for an action blockbuster superhero film
01:07:28
Speaker
But then James Newton Howard and Hans Zimmer making an incredible score. This is the movie score that got me into movie scores. So when I heard this, I bought the dual disc CD and that changed everything for me. You've changed things forever. And then from then on, I became addicted to film music and that's now all I listened to pretty much. But it started with the Dark Knight score and what those two composers did.
01:07:52
Speaker
was so groundbreaking. I just adore this film. I don't think it's his best. It's not my favorite, but I do see that you can't deny how important it is on 20th century, 21st century cinema, without a doubt. Well said. My number two is also the Dark Knight. Hey, I love your insightfulness, man. But, um...
01:08:18
Speaker
Heath Ledger gives the best villain performance of all time. Two-Face has actually done really well as much. There's still some stuff I want to see done with Two-Face in live action that I hope we get and I think we will get eventually. But the score, it's incredible. The Joker, the first bank heist, is one of my favorite openings in any movie ever.
01:08:40
Speaker
The first time you see Batman in the parking garage, me and my dad quote the hockey pads to each other. I'm not wearing hockey pads. We all know the line. And it's the perfect superhero movie. And I don't think it will ever be topped as much as I love the Batman. Matt raises the Batman more. This is a better movie.
01:09:00
Speaker
I, yeah, I think I word that correctly. So you, so you, the Batman is better. I think the Batman's more true to my feelings of Batman, but the Dark Knight is the better. That's amazing. Makes sense.
01:09:17
Speaker
Well, in the same boat again, my number two, Dark Knight, baby. Yeah, I mean, just incredible movie, let alone one of the greatest, if not the greatest superhero movies ever made. Everything about it from Heath Ledger's Joker to, again, Bail's Batman. I think this is the best that we've gotten out of Bail's Batman. As much as he was great, Batman Begins and Dark Knight Rises. I think he's perfect in this one. And also, just again, the technology that he uses.
01:09:46
Speaker
I think the main one in this one is that the Tumblr is kind of divisive as a Batmobile, but I don't think anybody can dislike this Batpod. I mean, when it comes out, you're like, holy shit, here we go, baby. Let's go. Every time. It's amazing. I love the Tumblr.
01:10:04
Speaker
So do I. I like it a lot. I don't love it as a Batmobile, but as just like a car and a movie, badass. I love it. Just a fast tank. It is. That's why it's so cool. It is really cool. It's epic, man. Does it come in black? One of the best scenes. Sick reference, bro.
01:10:24
Speaker
All right, we're linked up again, boys. I have a dog head at number two as well. Everything you all have said and more. I mean, it's just incredible. It has some of those action sequences in general, not just being the best comic book movie of all time. I mean, that under highway sequence, when the Joker's trying to take out Harvey Dent, it's incredible. They destroyed Pittsburgh and then put it back together. They said, sorry, here's some money.
01:10:48
Speaker
and it's incredible and this movie is sensational from beginning to end there's no fat on it at all it used to be my number one Nolan movie in terms of his best film it's changed recently but The Dark Knight is his most iconic movie I think forever people always remember him mostly for The Dark Knights we'll see where the rest of his career goes but I think this is his most popular film his most loved film and it's most common for people to have this at number one in their lists yeah I forgot
01:11:14
Speaker
to mention the tunnel the channel there's so much to talk about i mean there's so much and i mean we could spend an hour literally just breaking it down or you could listen to our episode yeah the amount of shameless plugs you're making the vial all right
01:11:30
Speaker
Anthony want to kick off the final round of the top Nolan movie of Your ranking. Yeah, I'm trying well cuz I'm trying to think of what yours number one would be I'm so curious and thinking the same you guys you don't know what I haven't said I haven't completely paid attention to like your entire you don't listen to me when I tell us a bunch of movies being thrown around There's a lot Exactly. I know what you all are gonna say. I mines different.
01:11:54
Speaker
What is it?
Dunkirk's Innovative Storytelling
01:11:55
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Dunkirk. Oh my God, it is Dunkirk. Dunkirk is, I think Christopher Nolan's greatest achievement as a filmmaker. And being a fan of older cinema, this really is, it harkens back to that old style of filmmaking. I actually, even though the photo, like you said, the soldiers, there's not as many soldiers that you'll see in like the photographs of that beach. I don't mind it because it's really about the feeling that he's trying to capture of what it's like to be on that beach. And the triptych storytelling is so brilliant.
01:11:59
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I
01:12:24
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And it really makes sense for how you're going to tell that story to show the feeling. The whole point of the movie is to make you is to put you in the shoes and put you in the perspective of each of these environments and each of these kinds of soldiers, whether you be beach, air or water. And this movie kind of plays like a silent film most of the time. It's just imagery. It's just cinematography and editing. And that's it.
01:12:51
Speaker
and then music and it's just the bare bones. And editing and lighting sound. It's just the bare bones of filmmaking and you don't need backstories. You don't need to have these soldiers talking about like where they're from and, yeah, I miss my dad back home. We don't need all that. Actually, that wouldn't make sense for the day that you can. I don't know why they're southern. Out in Birmingham, my dad owns a clothing store in Birmingham. I miss my daddy Dublin.
01:13:19
Speaker
But the filmmaking is so incredible, and he's such a master of suspense. I like to say that he's kind of a combination of Kubrick and Hitchcock, where he gets the gigantic visuals of Kubrick and the grand scale filmmaking, which Hitchcock did plenty of times, but...
01:13:38
Speaker
He's incredible at building that tension and that suspense and there are a bunch of sequences in this movie that I just watched this again two weeks ago just because I've been in a Nolan mood since Oppenheimer came out and There are sequences that I've seen this movie six times and I'm and I'm just in my bed. I was like, oh my god Oh my god. Oh my god, like the the boat tipping over the flooding The I think the best shot of the century. I think it I think the best shot of 21st century is the the lead actor
01:14:08
Speaker
bombs the beach is getting bombed he goes onto the grass i mean onto the sand covers his head and in the background we see bombs bombs bombs a line of bombs exploding getting closer and closer and closer to him and the last one drops it doesn't hit him and then he gets covered with sand i think that might be the best shot
01:14:29
Speaker
in cinema of the 21st century. It's just so simple. Like I said, he's a very simplistic filmmaker. He doesn't try to do that much. You're not going to see elaborate long takes in a Christopher Nolan movie, but he's going to capture that imagery in a different way. I just love the filmmaking of this. The acting is incredible.
01:14:47
Speaker
And in a way, like how he reinvented the idea of what a comic book movie is, he reinvented the idea of what a war film is, and he told it in a completely new way. There's been movies made of Dunkirk, and we've seen the war movies over and over again. But somehow, because of the way he writes and the way his mind works, he gave us something we'd never seen before. And for me, in terms of being a director and a writer, this is his best achievement, I think, bar none.
01:15:16
Speaker
Cool. Sick stuff. Cool story, bro. Did I not say the same thing about that beach shot we were watching? It's great, right? It's amazing. Oh my god. Just the fact that last one and that one dude behind him goes flying. Yeah, flies in the air, gets like cut in half. Oh man. But also that torpedo scene at night when they get on the boat. It's terrifying. So scary. Terrifying.
01:15:38
Speaker
Plus, I mean, this movie made like 500 million dollars, too. Yeah. Yeah. It's incredible. Starring no actor who nobody knew. Outside Harry Styles. I was going to say Harry Styles. I mean, he's not on the posters. Yeah, no, but he's pretty solid. He's good. He's fine. He's good. The lead actor on it. He doesn't even know his name, which is crazy. The lead actor from Alabama. No, it's been Finn Wolfhart. No, Finn something. Finn something. Finn something. That's a weird last name, something.
01:16:07
Speaker
Shut up. He was in that Black Mirror Bandersnatch. I did that thing. Finn Whitehead.
01:16:21
Speaker
He got the fast thumbs in Whitehead. He's very good. He's very good. He's great. He's solid. The whole cast. My number one is I don't think very surprising is Oppenheimer.
Oppenheimer's Significance
01:16:33
Speaker
And I do want to say maybe there is recency bias and all that. I've seen it three times now, all three times in IMAX. And our theater near our house is the only one in PA that's doing 70 millimeter, which is really cool. So I've got to do that twice and then just a basic IMAX.
01:16:48
Speaker
But I think this movie is not only his best movie, but I think it's his most important movie he's ever made. First off, it saved theaters in a different way. Of them we're used to. We're used to seeing the big budget, big IP franchises. It's a biopic by the guy who made the first nuclear bomb.
01:17:07
Speaker
Incredible. I mean you're sitting there. My heart is pumping out of my chest. I'm sweating. I'm terrified and This movie legitimately has horror scenes in it that truly scared me and I think about like just sitting in my room every once in a while just a thought from the Oppenheimer comes into my head and just knowing that there was a chance that when they
01:17:29
Speaker
That could lit the whole atmosphere up. That there was never a 0% chance. All these different things, the score is incredible. Every single actor that is in this movie is great. The best Green Goblin, Dame DeHaan comes out and gives them a stellar performance. The best Green Goblin? I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.
01:17:51
Speaker
Everyone, I mean, everyone is so, so good in this movie. Josh Hartnett, I was so excited to see him on screen. And just every part of this movie is so important. Doing the IMAX film in the 70 moment, everything about this movie is important.
01:18:07
Speaker
I don't know what else to say, I adore this movie. It somehow isn't my number one movie of the year this year, but. Do you spy a verse over it? No, I've passed lives over it. Oh, good pick. I adored. I did cry too. So, but yeah, I love the Oppenheimer. I love taking people to see it. And I truly think it's an important film that everyone should go watch.
01:18:26
Speaker
I love that. Can you do your Green Goblin impression? Can Spider-Man come out to play? Spider-Man come out to play. Spider-Man come out to play. I love that scene. I cry every time I watch that whole sequence.
01:18:45
Speaker
A couple of weeks ago, we were talking about Spider-Man, and he did that impression from that scene. It's the hardest I've laughed on our show. Spider-Man, I'm about to play. That's the best part of your guys' show. When one of you makes the other one laugh, I start laughing, driving, listening. That's what we like to hear. I'm sure you guys, too, with your show, you just want to feel like people are listening, just feel like they're just chatting with their friends about a movie. That's the whole goal.
01:19:17
Speaker
When the cameras aren't rolling, we're just constantly yelling. Yeah, I'm actually only contractually obligated to talk to him during the show. So my number one, it's also going to be Oppenheimer.
01:19:34
Speaker
I still haven't seen past lives, so I definitely want to see that. As of right now, number one movie of the year for me, Oppenheimer. You can talk about the movie all you want. The cast is what stands out in this. You have every goddamn A-lister in Hollywood in this fucking movie.
01:19:54
Speaker
And then you have Killian Murphy, who is, to me, not underrated at all because I love everything he's in. I'm a huge fan of Peaky Blinders and all that stuff. But I think for most American viewers, at least, if you haven't watched Peaky Blinders, he's just kind of the guy who shows up in Christopher Nolan movies sometimes. So I think...
01:20:13
Speaker
As far as more Western moviegoers go, this is almost another big break for him, and I really hope it is, because he's truly an incredible, incredible actor, and it's a sin that he's still underrated. So IMDb put him as a rising star. It's like, are you fucking a rising star? It's Tommy fucking Shelby, man.
01:20:38
Speaker
But yeah, I mean, the movie's incredible. The fact that he just slips in little things like the scene in Florence P. with the bathtub. You just get that shot one single frame of just a black glove behind her because there's all this stuff in real life about a conspiracy. It's just the little things in the movie that make it so, so great. Nolan just put in so much time.
01:20:59
Speaker
And just the fact that this movie only got made because Pattinson gave him the book. It's just such a fun little story. But yeah, I mean, movie's just incredible. Yeah, I have it at my number one, too, Oppenheimer. And you can call it recency biased if you want, but I try not to let recency bias affect my decisions. But few movies in my entire cinematic life have
01:21:27
Speaker
The movies have stuck with me as long as Oppenheimer has since the first time we saw it was three weeks ago. Three weeks ago, a long time ago. We got a little early screening at IMAX, then we saw it a second time. We saw it in both 70 mil IMAX, and then we also saw just 70 millimeter, both incredible experiences, but IMAX is just an insane experience because it's such an intimate film.
01:21:51
Speaker
And I think it's his most well-directed movie. I think it's his best screenplay. I think it's some of the best music we've gotten in the last few years. Ludwig is such an amazing composer. Like this guy is unstoppable. He is like the future of the sound of film. And...
01:22:08
Speaker
It's a complex story to tell where you know Nolan's going to get a lot of backlash for this movie, the story, the development of the atomic bomb. And you got to give him credit for not only staying true to what he wants to do as a filmmaker and storyteller, but also to give a lot of context that maybe people don't know about the project and why it happened. But then like Anthony said, he made this movie about a bunch of physicists talking in rooms from the majority of the film and then a bunch of delegations.
01:22:38
Speaker
with a potential cabinet member and then Oppenheimer with a bunch of lawyers. And it's insane that that is easily the best movie of the year. And it's not even close. It really isn't. I'd be shocked if it doesn't win Best Picture and win 10 awards.
01:22:56
Speaker
We could talk about it for hours. Downey, nobody mentioned Downey. Downey's incredible. Downey's sensational. It's his best performance, I think, in his entire career. And then Chaplin, Chaplin was my favorite. This overtook it. But this movie is sensational in every way in the practical filmmaking of exploring what the quantum mechanics, the quantum realm would look like.
01:23:16
Speaker
trying to stay true to only practical filmmaking. And the quantum realm is not just an MCU thing. If anyone's curious, it exists. The MCU didn't invent that. Someone came out for us, came after us after that. Quantum realm is not invented by the MCU. And I'm just still thinking about the visuals, still thinking about the Trinity tests. So many scenes, like you said, just pop into my head. It's still with me, this movie. Even though I've seen other movies in theaters, I've seen a couple other, I've seen like five movies since I saw Oppenheimer. I'm still thinking about Oppenheimer.
01:23:44
Speaker
I've seen maybe 10 movies since then. I still can't get it out of my head. And I think that's why right now I'm putting it at number one on my Nolan ranking. And it's just insane sensational filmmaking. I've never seen anything like it before in my life. Mad respect, man. Great pick, guys.
01:24:00
Speaker
Very cool. Wow, that's awesome. I like how we had pretty different lists. I think everybody, except we had a couple rounds where we all had the same. So four, we had Inception, and then two, we all had Dark Knight. Otherwise, they were very different lists. So it was cool.
Celebration and Closing Remarks
01:24:15
Speaker
Oh, I just want to say something. I don't know when this episode is coming up, but I just want to congratulate both of you on Midnight Ruin. I was very excited for both of you. I don't know why. My mom probably had no idea what I was talking about. I came downstairs and I was like,
01:24:30
Speaker
Oh my god, mom, look at this. She's like, what the hell is this? I was like, oh, it's the guys from Razzle's podcast. It's their short film. And she was like, oh my god, that's so cool. So yeah, I want to congratulate both of you. I thought that was really special. Thanks so much. Yeah, so our short film that we made in December and January, we've been waiting to hear back from film festivals that we've been submitting to. Finally heard back from our first one, got it, and we made it to the semifinals of the Rhode Island International Film Festival.
01:24:52
Speaker
And it's legit. It's an Oscar qualifying. It's a BAFTA qualifying. And it's a Canadian award qualifying festival. So it's like a top tier festival. So we're very happy about it. So we didn't win Best Short, but we came on the top four for Best Short, which is really exciting stuff. It's incredible. So thanks. It is incredible. Great job. I'm very proud of both. Hopefully the first of many.
01:25:10
Speaker
Yeah. And I'm sorry if anyone's curious. I know y'all want to see Midnight Ruin our short film, but you cannot until after this circuit of festivals, of submissions ends, and then we can hopefully maybe, in 2024, it'll definitely be public viewing. Absolutely. Our short. So just give us some time, and we appreciate everyone's patience. But we finally have some news about it, so that's nice. In the meantime, you can watch, you know, one of our Christopher Nolan episodes.
01:25:32
Speaker
Oppenheimer became our biggest episode like ever. Wow, really hot. Yeah, it destroyed. It was a huge episode. It blew up, but we love talking about... We love talking about Christopher Nolan. We always find excuses to do it. I mean, how many episodes have you guys done on Nolan?
01:25:48
Speaker
one. Yeah, we are, we I want to get more into doing episodes where we talk about specific directors, because normally we just do like the once a week we started doing the film spotlights, which are fun. They're like 10 minute episodes, just like short, something we know won't get a huge viewership. But we mainly just do episodes once a week. It's only a movie we're reviewing. So I think we'll try and start get more into doing specific directors specific actors like how you guys do your
01:26:15
Speaker
actor spotlights, which I do want to say are my favorite episodes. Oh really? We're doing Killian next week. What was that? We're doing Killian Murphy next week. Oh, cross. Hell yeah. That would have been fun. Big breakdown. But no, I would like to do more of this, so we've only done one Nolan review, actually. Do more. This is number two. Yeah, people like more. Yeah, people love Nolan, and I learned that people love Batman.
01:26:37
Speaker
All of our Batman episodes. The Bakers, comic movies they destroy. Batman episodes kill, Spider-Man episodes destroy. Nolan and Batman always destroys for podcast numbers or anything. Spider-Man was the first episode of mine because at this point it was just me, Ryan hadn't joined me yet. We were at, I was probably getting like a hundred listens an episode and then I did a Spider-Man when the first trailer came out.
01:26:59
Speaker
Did a review of it. And that episode got like 3000 views. I like freaked out and I was going crazy. And that's so I always like, I'm very thankful to the MCU for that. You're like, I'm rich. I was like, yes. I made it. Yeah, we've milked the MCU for everything it's worth. Oh, yeah.
01:27:19
Speaker
Also lower the ranks. We in Harry Potter. Yeah, we milk a lot of things. We milked Harry Potter. This is a lot of fun to do this crossover episode. It's posting on both podcast platforms, right? So we're going to drop it at the same time, same date. And so where can our listeners find the popcorn podcast? Plug it. So you can find, we both have our own private Instagram. Yours is R4N12.
01:27:44
Speaker
Just for an underscore 12. No are mine is Tommy underscore Cresta. It's the underscore popper underscore podcast on Instagram Stay tuned for more updates on our short film, which we just wrapped filming, which is the effect Congrats a lot of fun acting is really hard While your friend is your best friends directing you is always a experience so funny but we are very excited to share that with you very personal story of me and
01:28:09
Speaker
Yeah, just go check us out everywhere. You can find us Spotify, Apple Music, Google Podcasts, YouTube, TikTok, Twitter, even though I make like one tweet, it's always about the Phillies. But yeah, keep supporting us. We're very thankful that people want to listen to us still and very thankful we get to work with such amazing people.
01:28:26
Speaker
So yeah, continue listening to our show, and there's The Lost Podcast. Yeah, and upcoming podcast listeners, you can find us everywhere, every platform, Raiders of The Lost Podcast. We film everything on Spotify and on YouTube and Apple, Google. Whenever you listen to podcasts, we're very easy to find, like I said, at the beginning of the show. We have our own website, Raidersofthelostpodcast.com, huge on TikTok, and pretty good following on Instagram, YouTube.
01:28:48
Speaker
We do like four episodes, five episodes a week, so we make an insane amount of content. But it's our full-time jobs now, which we're very grateful for for all the listeners. So thanks for tuning into this crossover. Guys, it was so fun to have you in studio in Los Angeles. It was hot as hell today. KC was kicking in the studio. It saved our lives. Thanks for joining us for this crossover. It was so fun.
01:29:12
Speaker
Everyone listening, take care, have a wonderful day. And again, don't forget to vote on Spotify, who you think has the best rankings for Christopher Nolan's. I'll put everyone's on Spotify, multiple choices. There's no way I'm winning with Dunkirk at number one. There's no way. I'm going to be bottom. I'm calling you right now. You're taking that L. Fourth place. You can't do too hard to win. I'll take it. I'll take it. All right. Adios. See you next time.