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So they shut everything down, I guess, to minimize the damage to their whatever web infrastructure. And so now the website is back up. So you can look at the entire catalog, you can't log in or order from the website yet. But you can't place an order with your salesperson. So
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So you still can do it that way. Give Rich a call. Yeah. If you're in, uh, I wonder how big rich is territory. Yeah. That's a good question. Um, Monmouth County. I think he goes down to ocean County too. All right. Yeah. Um, so yeah, check them out, help them out. Cause they, they just got, they just got crushed for two weeks.
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What a shame. Yeah. Imagine that. Yeah. No revenue for two weeks on top of, you know, on top of the, the angst and all the extra work of, Oh yeah. I'm sure you know, when something like that happens to a big company like Haefla, you know, you have to bring in all kinds of security, cybersecurity experts and you know, forensic, uh, whatever. They got to find out who did it. Why, what, you know, what,
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Damage was done. What may or may not have been compromised. They said all the user data was untouched. So Not that we got anything that you can take anyway They can take our debt away.
Purchasing a European Edge Bander
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Yeah Speaking of debt, I guess we have a small announcement to make Yeah
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We, uh, I'm looking at the waveforms here. They're flip flopped. So it says I'm Robin. Um, so we, what's the best way to say this? We signed the papers to purchase a edge banner. Yeah. Um, we haven't received it yet, but we should have it in hopefully about a month.
00:03:34
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Um, it's being, being built right now, I guess, or, or maybe it may even be on its way across the ocean. Um, from Spain where it's made. It's a European. Yeah. Um, so yeah, we should have it by mid March. They're saying, we know how that goes.
00:03:54
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Yeah, we hope it's not like the last European purchase. What's the van? Oh yeah. Well, that's America. Yeah. Um, so yeah, a, uh, so he's a compact edge bander.
00:04:12
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It's got all the bells and whistles really. Not quite all of them, but all the ones that we need at least. It's got pre-milling. It's got corner rounding. It's got, obviously you're trimming and scraping and buffing. It's got glue release spray and a cleaning spray. So it hits the material with glue release before it goes in. And then on the way out, I guess right before the buffers
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It hits it with like a cleaning agent. So, you know, the stuff should come out like. Should be ready to rock and roll when it comes out of this machine. If if it's not, it means there's something's going wrong. It will be ready to. I'm well. Yeah. Yeah.
00:05:02
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I don't want to file anything. No. Yeah. I mean, I did that a little bit of edge banning yesterday for the bankettes for Jim. And, uh, you know, it's just, it's just a pain in the ass and it doesn't look the way, you know, it should really, we can't get into that line of work without the machine. Right. Yeah. And then we're looking to expand what we do. And that's part of it.
00:05:31
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Yeah, I think we talked about it, you know, probably before the move on the podcast, but, you know, if we can pivot a portion, probably a large portion, the majority of the business into, you know, commercial millwork and, you know, things like frameless kitchens. That's the kind of stuff that can subsidize the more
00:05:57
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artsy if you will projects that that was the word the profit margins are just not the same um because people you know there's a ceiling as to what people are willing to spend and just because they want something artsy doesn't mean that they realize that it should cost significantly more right than just some plain jame bs from you know joe cabinet maker down the street everybody wants a twenty thousand dollar cabinet
00:06:25
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Right. And even at 20,000, we're not getting rich. We're just barely paying the bills. Yeah. Um, I mean, it had to be a pretty nice, it'd be a nice cabinet for 20, but, um, I mean, we've built some $20,000 cabinets and it's not like we were like, you know,
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We're not swimming in money afterwards. It's rubbing our hands together like, oh man, look how much profit we made on this job. It's because it's $22,000 worth of work. Right. Yeah. That's why. Because we go into, ah, come on, let's make this nicer right here. Come on. Let's do this. Let's do that.
Challenges in Custom Cabinet Projects
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So yeah, I mean, I don't enjoy, I don't, um,
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enjoy that type of work any less than like the commercial stuff, any less than anything else. No, you try to make it super nice anyway. Yeah. I just like, you know, I like cutting stuff, putting it together.
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And using nice machines really helps the process. Oh, yeah, it makes everything easier. So, yeah, it'll be a welcome addition to the shop. You know, it's it's a lot of money. Yeah. And we're hunting down proper dust collection for it right now. Yeah. Which is another thing looking at. Well, and we'll know for sure tomorrow, I think 2200 CFM. Of dust collection.
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Yeah. It's what'd you say? Five, five inch ports at Scott. Yep.
00:07:59
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I mean, that's a ton. I guess they're individualized, whereas the old brand has got that one where it's just sort of like everything comes through that one chase in the machine. Yeah, you can see, let me see, I pulled up here, we can look at it. Or these ports probably go directly to the source of the cutting and scraping.
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Yeah. Let's see. I'm going to turn the brightness up on this. There we go. Let's see. Jill. Yeah. Cause if you've ever looked inside an edge band or they could be a little messy on the inside after you've been operating.
00:08:53
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Yeah, so you can see here, so this is the in-feed. So this is your pre-mill. You got one five inch going straight to the pre-milling units. It's got two pre-milling units. Yeah, so like all the way back here, three of them go into one. So that's probably the scraping. This is your front back trim, goes to one.
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But then it maybe it's just me but it looks like these are two more. Oh, yeah, look this is by itself. That's by itself. Mm-hmm This I don't know what that is. It's right where the two sections meet. So it's kind of obscured. Yeah What could that be though? So you got one port for front trim one port for back trim Oh, you know what this must be top and bottom trimming. Mm-hmm and front and back trimming over here. We can't really see it
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Maybe not everybody knows about like, uh, edge banners. Um, not that we know really anything about edge banners, but so pre milling, um, basically what you do is you tell the machine, uh, what you're running. So, you know, you say we're using, um, Oh, look at that. Somebody's capital of June. They think I was at capital of June and they want to give me money. Um,
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Yeah, so this pre-milling, I guess,
00:10:20
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You tell the machine that, okay, we're running one millimeter edge banding. The thickness of the edge banding. Right. So you set it to one millimeter. When you run in a piece, that's let's say it's a cabinet side. It's 24 inches deep and your edge band in the face. When you put it in, it will actually mill off.
00:10:40
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one millimeter of material before it applies the edge banding. Right. This way, you know, if you've ever cut inside parts that also need to have the ends edge banded like like parts that are captive between two things, you have to do the math and say, OK, it needs to be 22 and a half, but I got two pieces of edge banding. So it's going to be 23 and and 15, 16 slight.
00:11:08
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Yeah, because we're not using millimeters still that that even compounds it. And just, you know, the human error, you set the saw to one thing and if the blades got a little bit of wobble or, you know, whatever. So this, it will remove it. And not only does it just subtract
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that, so it's good for the dimensionality, but it prepares the edge to accept the edge banding. It's super clean. Yeah, it's a diamond. It's like two counter-rotating diamond thingamabobbers. A diamond blade with ruby tips. Yeah, it better be for the price. Spinning on a golden orb.
00:11:55
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There's actually tiny humans in there that. So let's see, let's go over the specs here. We got edge-banding material, melamine, PVC, ABS, veneer, solid wood strips. So it'll do 0.4 to three millimeter on, what do they call it? Like coiled material. So your PVC, your melamine, ABS,
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I guess PP is what polypropylene. All right. You got me on that and wood veneer. Then it'll, it'll do solid wood strips. So you can put a five millimeter solid wood edge on a shelf.
00:12:38
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Yeah, that's that's almost a quarter of an inch. Yeah. So that obviously you can't put that on a coil because it'll just break. But you can, you know, do you can make them or I mean, I don't know, maybe you can buy them, but then feed it in.
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Right. I think there's a different like sort of magazine that they go into. Panel thicknesses minimum eight millimeters. So that's what a third of an inch basically. Yeah. Up to 60 millimeters. So that's almost that's two and a half inches. Just under two and a half inches. Yeah. Let's see. My, my, my math, my head math as Christopher used to call it. 50.8 would be two.
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60 millimeters is 2.362 inches. So it's almost two and three eight. You can probably eat that out. Length minimum 120 millimeters. So that's a five inches, just under five inches and max unlimited, obviously with minimum 75 millimeters. So that's less, less than three inches, which is pretty good because a lot of the other ones that we looked at were four, um,
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You know, I would I just did stuff yesterday that was two and three quarter. And again, you know, you might be able to eke out a little bit smaller than that. Working speed meters per minute. Ten, ten eight. What does that mean? Ten meters every eight minutes. That doesn't make sense. No.
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Oh, maximum minimum. Uh, could that, is that what could that mean? Maybe meters minimum. I don't know. Maximum minimum. I don't know. Corner rounding unit capacity millimeters, 10 to 60 millimeters. We, uh, went with the 1.5 millimeter corner rounding. I think we see.
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Yeah. So 1.5 millimeter corner rounding will do one millimeter and two millimeter. And then, you know, you can get other cutters for that. Yeah. That's the most common. Yeah. One millimeter would probably be what we use most often. Um, and even like half millimeter, pre milling cutter height.
00:15:23
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I don't know what these numbers why there's two 3065 working pressure, 12.5 kilowatts. Free phase. Oh, this is 50 Hertz.
00:15:39
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We don't have 50 Hertz here. We got 60 Hertz. And it's a 14 foot six by 25 by 55. And it weighs 2000 pounds. It's a big boy. Yeah. What the hell? What's it say under packing over there? Gross weight.
00:16:05
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Nice wooden crate. Yeah. That's going to take some time. How is it? How is this? Oh, cause I guess they take off some of the things. So the crate itself is only 39 30 by eight 80 by 1800. Yeah. The, the spool holder probably in the arm that's underneath it is probably not sticking out.
00:16:30
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So we'll have to get some, um, machinery skates that way we can get it in the, um, let's see how big and too bad the crate isn't less than 10 feet. Yeah. At least it'll be in a crate so that we can, I don't know why this thing keeps jumping around like this 3930 millimeters. Yeah.
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That's 12 feet, 10 and three quarter inches. Hmm. Yeah. Close. Uh, so turn the scroll wheel like once and it goes like, see, it's like separated into one page right now. Weird. How do I change pages?
Edge Bander Specifications & Features
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Well, let me go to the next page and pull it back over here. Yeah. Oh yeah, that's actually, I could see that much better. So it's got.
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feeding station. I like the sound of that. Yeah. Tray for the role of edging material. Timer controlled automatic feeding allowing the precise adjustment of the in-feed surplus and minimizing the waste of edging material. Pneumatic pre-cutting guillotine up to three millimeter PVC ABS edge edges thickness. That's like when you use the strips you got to cut them you know you cut them to length.
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Longer and reinforced infeed fence, feeding tray with non-return tape system. So I guess I can't go backwards. Pre-milling PF2. Two HF motors, the first 1.1 kilowatt. It's weird how the Europeans use a comma instead of a decimal point.
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1.1 kilowatt rotating CCW and the second three-quarter kilowatt rotating CW with pneumatic pressure control providing optimum finish. New air blow nozzles for removing dust. That's clockwise and counterclockwise for you uninitiated.
00:18:59
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I didn't put two and two together on that. Milling heads with welded diamonds, standard tooling. No. Glue application unit M2-NS, new design with improved thermodynamics, granting a shorter heating time with less power consumption, 2.5 kilowatts, full Teflon trademark or actually
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Yeah, I think that is a trademark. R is registered trademark, right? Coding of the whole assembly. Injection of melted glue at the upper and lower points of the application roller where heating elements are built in to maintain optimum working temperature. Automatic temperature controlled by electronic thermostat preventing the scorching of glue when the machine is idle. 1.5 kilogram capacity glue tank. New glue regulating gate. Yeah, that's something that's not working so well on the brand. Oh yeah. Then we move into the pressure rollers.
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Three rollers exerting pressure on the edge band in order to achieve its adhesion onto the panel edge. First roller is driven and the second one is of smaller diameter and idle. What about the third? Seco numerical counter for unit adjustments to three millimeter edge or five millimeter strips. Optional automatic positioning at two preset positions.
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and trimming, single support, single carriage, single through shaft HF motor, 12,000 RPM, two TCT saw. I don't know what that is. I don't even. Something carbide tooth. Performing the front and rear trim. Triple cut. Triple cut tooth. I don't know. I'm just guessing. Yeah.
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Performing the front and rear trim cut cycles, soft and precise movement of the carriage slip on precision prismatic guides. Tooling to X TCT saw blades set at diameter 100 by 32 by 3, something like that. New dust collector system. Something I never realized until we got this edge banner was that the trimming units are actually like circular saw blades. I never looked at it at times.
00:21:14
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No, I never did either. In fact, you know, it was a big pain in the ass, this thing not working well, but we did learn quite a bit about the mechanics of the machines. The school of hard knocks.
00:21:30
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with your students top and bottom trimming unit two separate units for the machining of excess of the edge band machining of the excess of the edge band along the upper and lower edge of the panel to hf motors 12,000 rpms blah blah blah
00:21:47
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with milling cutter heads with TC inserts, tungsten carbide, tungsten carbide tooth, I think is TC2. Roller type tracers for work with high gloss and 3D effect panels and edges. Tooling milling cutters with tungsten carbide changeable blades.
00:22:07
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Corner rounding, designed to round the four corners of the panel edged with two millimeter band in order to achieve its complete finishing up to 60 millimeters. Oh, and height, okay. Single carriage, single motor, blah, blah, blah, tracer thing. Minimum length of the panel when using corner rounding is 200 millimeters.
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Radius scrapers designed to give perfect finishing touch of the radius of the PVC edging after top and bottom trimming. Roller type horizontal and vertical tracers with CCODE digital counters for precise, easy adjustment. And cleaning by air blow nozzles extraction system with PVC ABS waste collector.
00:22:56
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Then you got the glue scraper designed to remove possible rests of glue on the top and bottom surface of the panel, two blade holders with independently adjustable vertical copying devices, air blow nozzles for tracer cleaning. Then you got your buffing unit designed to remove possible residues of glue, restores a PVC ABS edge color and polish it after trimming and scraping, two independent units with tilting motors. Nice control panel.
00:23:24
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Yeah. Well, this is the seven. We got an upgrade. We did. So here's our, here's the, well, standard configuration, HF motor controlled by independent electronic converters, like electrical parts, meaning blah, blah, blah. Thus collectors on all working stations, pressure beam with closer wheels, extension roller support for big size work pieces, air blow nozzles for tracers, cleaning cabin housing, all.
00:23:50
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cabin, housing, cabin, housing, all working units of cabin, housing, all working units. Yeah. Like on ours, the glue pot, the guillotine, the pressure rollers, they're outside of the cabin.
00:24:03
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just where you could just get sucked in there where they could get dusty and dirty. Yeah. From, from the guillotine. So we got, this is the, this is showing like, okay, you got pre milling guillotine, uh,
00:24:23
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How's that? Pressure roller, front and back trim, top and bottom trim. And that corner rounding. Oh yeah. Corner rounding. That's standard. Then options. We got radius scraper. We got glue scraper and we got buffing unit. So that's all three of those. Then we got, um, I guess upgraded cutters on the pre-milling. That's where the rubies come in. Yeah.
00:24:53
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They actually took them out of King Tut's sarcophagus. Look at that panel with reduced to 60 millimeters. I didn't see that. That would have been something nice to ask for. Extra large infeed fence. I like that. Nonstick agent spray station at entrance. Cleaning agent spray station at exit.
Listener Feedback & Upcoming Guest
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nesting type vertical tracers. I don't know what that is. Me either. Cabin lights of the LED type and a 10 inch panel touch screen. Oh, what was the other one? Standard seven. Seven. Nice. So the seven inch one looks like it's built into the side of the machine. Yeah. The 10 inch one sticks off the side. I believe you like the Mercedes van. Yeah. That big touch screen. I think that's an 11.
00:25:57
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So yeah, I don't know if you wanted to hear about all the specs of that edge banner, but there you go. But that's what you get when you, when you tune in. Yeah. My favorite feedback of the, of the new year as was somebody who tuned into last year's episode number two of period furniture.
00:26:23
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Jim Rogers, I think his name was. I responded to him today. I said, thanks Jim. Tune in next week for more, more, whatever comments on YouTube. Boring.
00:26:40
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I mean, what do you expect? We're going to talk about the 12 periods of American furniture, yeah. Sintillating. People got some free time on their hands. I'm going to comment on this video and hurt these guys' feelings. Yeah, no. He commented, but he didn't hurt our feelings. No, that's for sure.
00:27:14
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So, yeah, actually, our machinery salesman, Brian, is going to come on the show in like two weeks. Yeah, he's a pretty cool dude. Yeah. Got a long history, a lot of experience in the trades, using these machines.
00:27:38
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and doing real edge banding specific things like elevator panels and yep and that kind of stuff. So yeah, I mean we're that was a good sign. Well, you're chatting with him. He said, Hey man, can I be on the show? Oh, yeah.
00:28:03
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Yeah. And actually even the first day he was here, you know, cause he came originally just to look at the existing edge band. That's right. I'm thinking to myself, I'm like, does he make good guests for the podcast? Um, yeah, I don't want to spoil, you know, his story and everything, but you know, he ran a big shop, like really big, like we're talking like over a hundred thousand square feet, I believe. I think he said 200,000 square feet.
00:28:28
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Um, what do you say you put on like 13 miles a day? Yeah. Yeah. Um, so yeah, that'll be, that'll be fun. But yeah, it was, uh, I even told him, I was like, that's funny because I was going to ask you to come on. Um, but he's run a lot of these, he's edge banners. Um, you know, in that shop and you know, he's, he loves them. So
00:28:52
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Yeah, I mean, it's a good portion of why we went with the machine and the new machine and that brand machine. Because as we've learned and we've been told time and time again, even a new edge bander can be a little bit finicky, a little persnickety of a machine. I mean, if you've never seen one and you open up those doors, it's like,
00:29:21
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a science lab going on in there, especially like this old machine. Um, cause it, nothing's labeled at all. I mean, not that they're like labeled in these new ones, but it's just, I don't know. I think the old ones are even more. Yeah. Yeah. So we'll have a setup. We'll, we'll tape it or, you know, whatever you call it nowadays, you will record it so that we'll have a reference to the setup and everything like that.
00:29:48
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Yeah, we have Brian as a resource, you know, we can call him and say, hey, you know, it's not the top isn't trimming, right? What do we do?
Choosing the Right Edge Bander
00:29:56
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Okay, just go in there, turn this knob. You know, we could have gotten a good deal on this.
00:30:03
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VAC Accron 1100 edge bander from Alliance Machinery up in Massachusetts. You know, it was a 2019 that was never used. It was sold and then they couldn't take possession of it. Whatever the people, they couldn't take it. So they just school. I thought yeah. Alliance bought it back. But you know, we said to ourselves, it's like buying a car. Like if you can get a good deal on a Ferrari,
00:30:33
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What good does it do you if nobody in your town can work on it? You know, cause cause it's going to break. Right. So you're going to call in a mechanic from out of town anytime that you have a little issue. Yeah. That's the value added. Yeah. This particular machine. Right. So he said might not be the same on the same level as a BAC edge bander, but
00:31:00
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You know, we're not going to be doing thousands of feet a day. You know, there's shops that run an edge band or eight, 10 hours a day. They might do two shifts a day of edge banding all day. Right. Right. That's not going to be us. You know, it'll I mean, we may get to the point where we run it every day, but it's not going to run all day every day. Yeah. If we get to that point.
00:31:24
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within these next five years that we're in this shop, then, you know, you could always get a new machine. If things work out that insane, you know, you don't want to under buy. That was also a fear because there was a, that Flexy it was called, he said Flexy P, which was nearly half the price.
00:31:50
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But let's see if we can look at the differences.
00:32:00
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So right off the bat, you can see how much smaller it is. It does the same thicknesses of rolled edge banding, but it doesn't do the strips of wood. And it only goes up to 50 millimeters in height.
00:32:23
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a little bit less on the, on the width, actually 120 millimeters, I guess just cause it's a smaller machine. The speed is seven. Not 10, not 10 slash eight. Yeah. Uh, corner rounding doesn't have it does have pre milling. Corner rounding's big. Yeah. Yeah. Like if you're going to be making doors on it, you want corner rounding. Otherwise you're going to be doing all that by hand.
00:32:56
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So it's only got two pressure rollers. You know, you can see the glue scraper is a lot chintzy looking. Yeah, I mean, it's like everything else. You could go back to the car analogy. Generally speaking, they're saving money in the fabrication of these things. It's only got a six inch control panel. Come on. I refuse to work on a six inch panel. Yeah.
00:33:26
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extension roller support instead of fixed. Yeah. So this one was like super bare bones. Um, no, no radius scrapers, just glue scrapers. It has a buffing unit, nesting type vertical tracers, whatever the hell that means. And led cabin lights, but that was it. Um, no glue release spray, which, you know, you get into do a melamine.
00:33:54
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Yeah, you might not need it, but when they start coming out with glue on them, you're going to wish you had it.
00:34:03
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Yeah, these are, I mean, luckily we had some experience working over at Tom's running a good edge band and we still had to do work on all of those things. Nothing came out of his edge band that you didn't have to touch. Yeah. I mean, maybe just like, yeah, just like a cabinet side you sometimes would be.
00:34:27
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Yeah, but you had to hit those edges. Everything had to be filed. Everything had to be cleaned. You had to wipe off all the glue. You had to bust out the MEK. So otherwise, we wouldn't have known what we didn't know. We would say, well, maybe this is enough.
00:34:48
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And this machine can take the PUR glue. Oh, that's right, which is...
00:34:58
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forget Brian was explaining it to us. We had heard it from Ezra over at timber. Let's see. Yeah. Uh, wasn't he saying that, you know, it blends with, you know, it's really thin glue line and so you don't have to like change out, uh, colors and stuff like that. It's got like, uh, the reactive temperature is much higher. So like it, uh, once it sets, it doesn't remelt at the same temperature. Let's see.
00:35:28
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Reactive PUR hot melt adhesives currently represent the highest quality level and edge banding.
00:35:41
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P-U-R hot melts are the right choice whenever adhesives are required that create a zero bond line that are highly resistant to heat, cold, water, and chemicals. What is very important when using P-U-R adhesives is the subsequent purging of the adhesive melt tank and applicator as once
00:35:59
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cured. Unlike EVA adhesive, it will not remount. For this reason, the edge banner must always be cleaned with a suitable PU cleaner such as JoWatt 930-94, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's good stuff. Apparently.
00:36:20
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So we've given our audience a little bit of a taste of edge banding 101. Sort of like a prerequisite course. Here we go. PUR uses a much thinner application of adhesive than compared with EVA. 10 to 12 milliliters? Can't be milliliters. 10 to 12 milliliters what?
Offering Edge Banding Services
00:36:50
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per foot, I don't know, 10 to 12 milliliters versus 25 to 35 milliliters per per EBA. So, you know, two and a half to three times less. This thinner application of adhesive along with its reactive properties is what gives PUR its flexibility. In testing, PUR has extremely high flex test values often in excess of 1000 flexes.
00:37:19
Speaker
I don't even know what that means. So if anybody out there needs edge banding,
00:37:38
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's definitely something that we want to do is offer like edge baiting service because, um, yeah, we're gonna have this nice machine might as well run it. Uh, yeah, according to Brian, this, the, these, he said machines will run all day, every day for a long time. Yeah. Like, you know, decades. Yeah. They're, they're made to go. They're made to run. It's like a sport bike. It's made to go.
00:38:08
Speaker
It's like your body. The worst thing you can do is not use it. That's right. Um, that's when things start to break. Yeah. Yeah. The first time you try to use something. It's all stiff, crusted up. Oh man. How are the reels going? Pretty good. Um, the one I posted today, it's like up there.
00:38:37
Speaker
1500. Oh, no. Wow. Even more. 2600. Nice. So if you haven't, haven't seen it yet, because this is coming out tomorrow. Check out the reel I put up cutting in an outlet box with the Lamello Zeta P2. Those are some hot tool tips. Yeah. It could be used for anything. Lamello hasn't said anything yet. I don't know why. Yeah. Let me see if they even saw it.
00:39:09
Speaker
Um, so tips and tricks. Yeah. They, um, I can't see if they saw it, but I bet the, I bet you they did. They, uh, I don't know. I don't think they like me. Don't take it personally. Yeah.
Furniture Delivery to Jersey City
00:39:32
Speaker
We took a nice ride up to Jersey city today. Yeah. We're all about that. Yeah. So this morning we, um,
00:39:41
Speaker
Uh, through India square. Yeah. Yeah. We had, uh, a bank cat to deliver to everybody. Jim Jamal for dull boy, Mexican restaurant. Yeah. That's I w I don't understand that name. Let's see if they have a, um, if they call it a Cantina, I'm going to be, Oh, no.
00:40:03
Speaker
No. Doughboy cocktail bar. Chill brick walled bar serving unique takes on classic American dishes, plus an array of cocktails. Oh, okay. So that's not Mexican. I thought it was. And it's in Jersey city, right? Wasn't he saying it's right down the block? Yeah. The other place is a Mexican place called Orale. Oh yeah, this looks good. Look, they got the pupa.
00:40:31
Speaker
Man, I'm so hungry right now. What was that? It's a brie. Brie with cranberries and walnuts. Mmm. That double burger. Ooh.
00:40:49
Speaker
Yeah, so that was like a 16 foot. I have an Instagram with the phone on the screen. Um, a 16 foot bank. That was in two pieces. So we brought that up. Um,
00:41:07
Speaker
Then when we left, the song Pulaski Skyway came on by clutch, and then we literally got onto the Pulaski Skyway. Yeah, that was... what were they called? What would you call that? Not prophetic, but it was... I can't think of the word. Profound? Yeah. It's like fate almost. Yeah.
00:41:34
Speaker
which that song isn't, you know, in reference to the Pulaski Skyway. If you couldn't tell by the title. So yeah, we dropped that stuff off. Yeah. Well, never know.
00:41:49
Speaker
And we're going to be doing another Bancat for these folks also own a restaurant called Orale, which is a Mexican restaurant. I thought Dolboy was Mexican for some reason. I don't know. I figured that they had all Mexican restaurants, but yeah, it's a 47 foot. Bancat going to be the same style. Basically arms on either end and.
00:42:15
Speaker
We're going to move it in one piece. Yeah. Bankette straight down the thing. So six, six, eight foot sections. The whole reason we moved into the new shop. Yeah. It's going to go almost all the way across. Yeah. Yeah. What's the shop? 70 feet.
00:42:37
Speaker
Uh, yeah, that's the outside dimension. Yeah. I think it's 68. It's like basically the walls are a foot thick. Yeah. Yeah. Corner to corner. So that'd be good. Hopefully we get to start that soon because, um, you know, we've got all these bids out that are piling up for.
Post-Holiday Project Resumption
00:43:03
Speaker
Yeah. It's usually feast and famine. Yeah.
00:43:08
Speaker
Well, we're just getting out of that holiday lull. Not even a lull. It's just, well, I guess it is a lull. People don't want you in their house. They, you know, they pause all projects because you know, we got to start soon. Oh yeah. The boxes. Yeah. We got that. You know, we got, um, all that other stuff.
00:43:33
Speaker
That's coming down the plate. Yeah. It'd be nice to have a nice big work surface to lay out all those glued up boxes on.
00:43:42
Speaker
Yeah. Oh yeah. So after gyms, we went to Home Depot, picked up a little work table to see, you know, if it's even any good. Um, what was it? 24 by 62. Yeah. Husky brand, adjustable height with like a little crank. That's the cool part about it. Yeah. With us, you know, wood top. It's like a trestle, trestle style base. Yeah. Steel. Yeah. Nice casters.
00:44:10
Speaker
Yeah. It rolls around. Um, it's nice. I'm impressed with it. You know, I, the boss set pretty low. Yeah. Well, we got burned on like that craftsman toolbox, which was probably like 160 bucks or something. This thing was three, you know, 300 bucks after tax to two 98 or something.
00:44:33
Speaker
But I, I, I think it's worth it. I do too. You couldn't build it for that. No, we already put it into service. Yeah. We worked out the last of the, the Rumson country club. Oh yeah. That's a big, a big job. I mean, I got pretty close to 200,000. Yeah.
00:44:56
Speaker
by the end of it. Was it 45 linear feet on the one and then 36? Yeah, on the other. So yeah, teak, sapele. So yeah, that'd be cool.
00:45:14
Speaker
You know, one's upstairs, the smaller bar is upstairs, sort of exposed to the elements. It's kind of like a covered. So it's not totally outdoors, but it's, you know, I guess. Well, outdoors but under a roof. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I'm assuming it faces the river. Yeah, I would hope so. Yeah. That's bar 109 that faces the river. It's just bar 108. Yeah.
00:45:44
Speaker
Yeah, so we got these drawings and they were great because the first thing you run into is they don't scale up correctly. So, you know, they don't have a lot of dimensions on them on the plan. So you have to try and extrapolate what all the real dimensions are, even using my architect scale, which has
00:46:08
Speaker
three, six, six. Yeah. And so it's double sided. So I think there's 12 different scales all the way from like three 30 seconds to one inch. I couldn't get anything to line up. So you had, then you have to do math. It's like, all right, two inches equals 2.73 feet. So you have to wind up approximating everything. So that's what we did. We spelled it all out.
00:46:37
Speaker
But it's a little annoying when you try and, you know, come up, you can't pull a single measurement off the drawing. Who was it? Keith was telling us that somebody, I think it was Chad, Chad's client. Um, I don't know if we were talking about this on a podcast or what.
00:46:55
Speaker
The client was like, you made this thing and it's like 12 inches or something. And Chad's like, no, it's eight inches. They were using an architect scale to measure it on, you know, the two.
00:47:11
Speaker
one and a half scale. It's like a, that great scene. And this is spinal tap, uh, where the Stonehenge comes down. Okay. So they, they want this, uh, backdrop, uh, model of Stonehenge to come down while they're playing this song. So they did like a napkin sketch and then it comes down and
00:47:38
Speaker
It was supposed to be 12 feet. It's like, no, you put 12 inches. Oh my God. Yeah.
00:47:54
Speaker
But anyway, the work table work, you know, it raises up. So it's a nice height to work at standing. I think it goes up to like 42 or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Like it, it was nice with the computer on there too, which, you know, try not to bring the computer onto the shop too much, but
00:48:15
Speaker
Right. Now while we're working, especially. Yeah. But, uh, I was dicking around with the lamello and stuff. I had it all the way up there and it was a, you know, it's good if you have to work at with something and be like looking at it. Yeah. With your eyes right on it. Yeah.
00:48:34
Speaker
You know, you don't want to like sand something tall at 42 inches, but something flat. Maybe if you have to do a lot of them, um, that doesn't not say anywhere. You have to really bear down. Um, it'd be good for hand sanding, like little,
00:48:51
Speaker
Yeah. It'd be nice. It's nice just to be able to change things up too. If you do a lot of repetitive work, you know, change those muscles that you use it in your back and shoulder blades a little bit. Yeah. Well, remember that when we get into the boxes, that's exactly what I'm thinking.
Workshop Deliveries & Electrical Issues
00:49:09
Speaker
So that material showed up, um, on Tuesday. Yeah. Oh, coach got 12 boxes, 12, 50 pound boxes of wood.
00:49:21
Speaker
Yeah. Alan, our UPS guy, he was happy that we jumped out there into the truck and said, Oh yeah, thanks for helping. Like people like really like, let you carry all this stuff in by yourself. I know. Yeah. We put it on our Hayfla materials, caught and rolled it right in. I was thinking, uh, excuse me.
00:49:48
Speaker
Since we're probably not gonna get into that for, I don't know, at least another couple of weeks. We could put it on a little pallet or something and maybe put it up, up like over there. Oh yeah. Above the hallway. Up in our little loft. Yeah. Our little above restroom loft.
00:50:13
Speaker
Hopefully the floor is still intact. Dave put about 10,000 holes up there. You know what's funny? It's like we've been here working for how long since the electrical work's been done? It's been probably a month since they finished.
00:50:34
Speaker
I won't say a day, but a week doesn't go by that we don't see something like kind of like half ass that like, come on, Dave. I mean, it's little stuff, but still, it's like the washers in the wrong place and the labels are wrong or crooked or, you know, just all these little things. Yeah. Things that make the neuroses flare up.
00:51:07
Speaker
Yeah, it's funny. Brian actually just texted me. He said, do you have a link for the podcast? Of course we do. Yeah. See, he's on Android. So I sent him to Spotify. Oh yeah. New podcast listener. Yeah.
00:51:29
Speaker
Uh, I sent the wife out for some, uh, I'm not having soup for dinner tonight. No, I'm going to have, uh, some pizza. Oh, nice. From LMB. Oh, I wish. Yeah. I've been, but I've been wanting it ever since I saw Keith. Uh, where are you getting it from? Uh, that place that we had it, um,
00:51:55
Speaker
You know, over there by food town, remember when we went in there that day? Oh yeah, it was Romeo's. Yeah, that's what it's called. I said, just get it over there. They have a good grandma's, they have a good margarita. Those are the two that I like the most. Yeah, it wasn't bad. You know, if you haven't had it for so long, everything's going to taste good, you know? Yeah. Sometimes that goes the other way, though. You're like, it's not as good as I remember.
00:52:24
Speaker
Like, do I really like pizza this much or is it? Oh, yeah. Always makes me think about like when you go camping and you'd be really hungry because there's no snack in it. And I go, man, this is the best food I ever had. No. Like sand in it. Yeah. Yeah. It's all gritty and twig inside of it. Right. Drops on the ground. You still eat it. Oh, yeah.
00:52:54
Speaker
So that's all the big news. The edge band. You know, we talked about our little adventure today, going up to Jersey city. We didn't really expound upon little India or whatever it is, but I didn't know that, um,
00:53:13
Speaker
There was a whole section of Jersey, a city that was like a, like a little India.
Jersey City Developments & Speculations
00:53:20
Speaker
Yeah. What do they call it? Uh, was it Indian village, Indian town? Indian village. Yeah. Like part of journal square. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I did. I knew about that, but I had never driven through it. It was a lot of good looking food places. Yeah. Um,
00:53:37
Speaker
Yeah, it was really hopping there. A lot of new signage. Uh, so you could see that there's a lot of new stuff going in there. Oh yeah. Yeah. They're building all kinds of giant buildings. Um, some of which I'm sure we might have a hand in. Yeah. And, and just down the block from gyms, they, they're putting up like a 60 and a 40 unit, uh, tall, uh, floor, 60 and 40 story building.
00:54:07
Speaker
I was shocked. Yeah, that's tall. 60 stories is tall. Yeah, because what are those regular buildings? They're five stories? Yeah, like what was Arbol? That was maybe eight stories. Yeah, like all those like older buildings there, they're like three to five, right? Most of those were like, yeah, two, three. And then you got those huge, those are like skyscrapers there.
00:54:37
Speaker
Well, yeah, you know, the urban. The center expands, so it's, you know, all the Manhattan, there's you can't you can't put a new skyscraper in Manhattan. So now across the Hudson, the island's going to sink soon. It's too much weight. That's up to aliens. Don't get us first. We we didn't talk about the alien balloons. Yeah, I've been shooting down the aliens. It's
00:55:06
Speaker
They just don't want us to know. Above out there beyond Lake Huron. Yeah, the White House did issue a statement. I don't know if to take my face value or not, but they say there were no aliens involved. Yeah. They won't tell us what it is, but they're saying that it's not aliens. I don't know. You believe that?
00:55:32
Speaker
Could be people from the Secret Space Force just trying to get back. Yeah. Whistleblowers. Secret Space Force whistleblowers. Wonder if Taylor Swift has a hand in any of that. Yeah, it could be.
Home & Snack Conversations
00:55:46
Speaker
Your wife's texting me, sending me on a post-work errand. Oh, God. Gonna have to go to the drugstore across the street, pick up some Drano. Oh, man. Said the tub is running slow upstairs. Yep.
00:56:01
Speaker
That's cause women shed hair out of their head. Yeah. Like an animal. Yeah. And she's got all, she's got a huge man of hair. Um,
00:56:12
Speaker
So that's where I'm going after work. I don't, I don't know if I can walk past that snack aisle. You got a lot of stuff in there without, without getting something for the ride home. I mean, cause I'm going to have to go to the register, right? You know, Pocky Pocky. Where's the try? Hey, hey, Pocky way. They're good. Pretty sure they're Japanese. Cause I never heard of it.
00:56:39
Speaker
I've had them. Yeah. Let's see. What is Pocky? What is Pocky?
00:56:45
Speaker
Not another New Jersey thing like Taylor ham or something like that. Pocky is a Japanese sweet snack food produced by the Izaki Glico Food Company. Pocky was first sold in 1966. It was invented by Yoshiyaki Koma, consists of coated biscuit sticks. It was named after the Japanese onomatopoeic word Hokiri, which is supposed to resemble the sound of the snack being cracked. Oh.
00:57:14
Speaker
Let's see, like a little biscuit stick. And then it's covered in chocolate, but they got a bunch of different flavors. They got strawberry. Yeah. I remember seeing the strawberry in there. Yeah. They had, they had a lot of different flavors. Yeah. Yeah. I'm hungry. They're good. And they're dangerous because it's just like this thin little stick. So, you know, you eat the thing in like two bites. The next thing you know, you eat the whole box. Yeah. I'd have to eat the whole box before I got home. That's easy.
00:57:42
Speaker
Yeah. It could easily be done. Pocky. Chocolate Pocky. Strawberry's good, I'm sure. The strawberry flavored Kit Kats from Japan. Those are good. I never had that. Those are real good. I remember I had strawberry quick. You ever have strawberry quick? Oh yeah. Different, it's a different kind of strawberry taste though. Yeah. Yeah. It's all, it's more like a strawberries and cream flavor, the Japanese strawberry stuff.
00:58:11
Speaker
Ah, I like that though. Yeah. No, it's good. You know, like some of my favorite dessert is strawberry shortcake. Yeah, that's pretty good. Whole Foods has a really good one. I'm not big on whipped cream though. Yeah. I like that. I love the fresh whipped cream. Yeah. Not with cake. Yeah. With the nice shortcake.
00:58:35
Speaker
I'm a buttercream guy. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Yeah. See, I'm not big on that kind of frosting. Yeah. No, I don't like, I don't like whipped cream on my cake. Oh, wow. Yeah. On the side. That's fine. Yeah. I mean, you could put it on top, but I don't want that, that to be the main. Like if I show up to a birthday party and they got a cake with whipped cream on it, I'm leaving disappointed.
00:59:04
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. That's me. I'm, I'm just the opposite. I mean, usually like the, the frosting, I'll scrape it off. Oh my God. No, I don't know. I got to go to the Italian bakery, get the, you know, sheet cake with the buttercream frosting rose, you know, the roses on there. That's where it's at.
00:59:25
Speaker
No. The set, my number two frosting would be like a cream cheese icing. Yeah. That's basically buttercream with just some cream cheese in it. Yeah. I like the sort of tartness of it. Yeah. It cuts through the alley. Doesn't, doesn't like buttercream.
00:59:45
Speaker
Yeah. Um, no, my wife's been bringing home for me. Uh, but, uh, this is, this is what my wife does. She brings home like these desserts and sweets and stuff for me. And then I eat them and she was like, your balls. Yeah. Like what? You're eating too many sweets. Well, like, what do you expect? Don't buy them. So she's been bringing home these things of tiramisu. Like, man, this is good. It's like,
01:00:16
Speaker
The, what, what was in there? There was this, I had a.
01:00:21
Speaker
use all my willpower this morning not to eat this. What you bring home from sickles, like it's apple fritter dumpling kind of thing. And man, I was, I'm having my coffee this morning. I wanted to eat that thing so badly. Yeah. That'll ruin your whole day. Yeah. It's good going in, but then it's like you're ready to fall asleep by the time you get to the shop.
01:00:49
Speaker
Yeah. So around Christmas time when you eat Christmas cookies. Oh yeah. Yeah. So chances are that there's not going to be any dessert waiting for me tonight. So I, I'm definitely going to have to grab something with the drain. Oh, and uh, you're feeling it. Got to fit right in in Kingsburg. Like an addict. Yeah. Then my drain. Oh, and my, uh, my Pocky, I get my fix on the way home. So my wife doesn't find out exactly.
01:01:20
Speaker
Yeah, too bad. I don't have any coffee left. That would have been perfect. Well, Dunkin Donuts right next to her. Yeah. The Dunkin Donuts coffee is disappointing. I mean, it's okay during the afternoon. Like when you just need a little pick me up, but like now I'd want it for the flavor. Yeah. You know, I'm, I'm not, I'm big on the flavor of the Dunkin Donuts coffee. It's like watery. Yeah. And, um,
01:01:48
Speaker
I'd just be disappointed. I'll just go for straight sugar. No, chase it. You're like one of the Starbucks frappuccinos out of the fridge. Oh yeah. Yeah. I'm going to have to like hide all the debris because I'll be just throwing out the window on the way home. You know, I hate literally like the Creek, but yeah, we hate litters. So
01:02:14
Speaker
Well, we just ticked over an hour. So we better package schedule for delivery tomorrow. Oh, that's something coming. Um, all right. So yeah, that's all we got for you. We'll see you next week. We got John Peters next week. Oh, all right. So tell your friends shop tour. Yep.
01:02:32
Speaker
Thank you. As always, Rob and I thank you for tuning in and we'll see you next week. If you want to help support the podcast, you can leave us a review on Apple Podcasts. You can join our Patreon or you can use one of our affiliate links in the podcast description. Again, we appreciate your support. Thanks for tuning in.
01:03:08
Speaker
Ain't no shame, but there's been a chain