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STAR WARS MOVIE TIER LIST (Ranking the Star Wars Movies)
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This week on the podcast, Austin and Scotty must come together to form a TIER LIST based on their collective opinion on the movies. No matter if they agree, or violently disagree on a movie, they must compromise and pick one spot. MOVIES COVERED: The Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, Revenge of the Sith, A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, The Force Awakens, The Last Jedi, The Rise of Skywalker, The Clone Wars Movie, Rogue One: A Star Wars Story and Solo: A Star Wars Story. This is the Wayseekers is a Star Wars podcast, with new episodes every other Friday @ 8:00am CT. Join your hosts Austin SWE and Scotty Holiday SW as they navigate their ways through the Star Wars galaxy.
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Celebrating SAG After Strikes Ending
00:00:03
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This week on This Is The Wayseekers, we're celebrating the SAG After Strikes ending with a Star Wars movie tier list. That's right, we're finally doing a ranking of all 12 Star Wars movies, and yes, there's 12, because whether you want to admit it or not, the Clone Wars has a movie. We do just want to give a quick disclaimer that yes, we do claim to have an objective ranking of all 12 Star Wars movies, so if you have a problem with our ranking, you can take it up with George Lucas, or God. Oh, this is gonna be an argument. I can feel it, Cullen.
00:00:33
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But whether or not you agree or disagree with our ranking, we hope you can enjoy this very special episode of This Is The Way. Seekers.
Excitement for Star Wars Discussions
00:00:54
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I don't even know how to get into this. It feels weird. We're talking about movies on This Is The Wayseekers. After seven episodes of not being able to talk about movies, we're talking about the Star Wars movies. Scotty, does this feel illegal to you?
00:01:11
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Not only does it feel legal, but this is actually going to be my first time ever talking about the movies, I guess, other than our first episode. But it's been so long, it feels like we haven't done it in forever. I know. Obviously, we've been able to talk about things in private, but now we can mention that there was an Ahsoka series that we watched, the Ahsoka series.
00:01:36
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It feels a little weird. It feels a lot of weird, but it's a good weird. I like a good weird. Me too, me
Solidarity Reflections and Ahsoka
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too.
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If you guys haven't if you didn't know the sag after strikes are officially over and this is the way seekers We've maintained the position that we're standing in solidarity So for the last 14 weeks seven episodes might actually have been 16 weeks I feel like there's a little bit of we didn't post one weaker another but 16 weeks seven episodes Where we stood in solidarity and didn't talk about the movies or shows meanwhile
00:02:31
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as long as I've been a creator, even prior to being a creator, as long as I've been in the fandom, I have never posted my official Star Wars movie ranking. Not because I'm afraid to, but I'm really bad at ranking things. I'm always like, what's your top three? I'm like, okay, here's three plus six honorable mentions.
00:02:35
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Ahsoka was premiering.
Challenges of Ranking Star Wars Films
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Not only is it a challenge for me to rank things, but
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Also, I'm just like, I don't want to listen to people tell me why I'm wrong or why my ranking sucks. This is going to be really fun, maybe a little freeing. I'm glad we get to do it together.
00:03:07
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yes because that's that's the fun part is we're doing this together and we definitely don't agree on everything star wars so how is this list going to be compromised where we put our brains together i i feel like there's some movies where we might think the exact opposite or just like feel the exact opposite about this so i'm excited for that
00:03:33
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It's gonna be fun. Yes, yes. I feel like what's interesting about ranking these Star Wars movies is because I like watch them so much or learn something more or read some book that adds something to it or something, you know, just spending time with these movies, over time my opinion changes and it's just like the ranking I may have posted a year ago, it's not gonna look like what we have here today, so.
00:03:58
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Yeah, I was just talking to somebody about that. I wish I could remember exactly what it was, but as we get more content, we get more re-contextualizes things in these movies. And you're right, it changes things up a lot. It adds a little bit more weight to stuff.
Re-contextualizing Star Wars with New Content
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Oh, and I remember it was Rogue One because
00:04:17
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somebody and or yes, but also when Mon Mothma goes to Bill Organa and she's like, what about your friend, the Jedi? But now we know that like, Bill has already called on Obi-Wan for help. So when Mon Mothma says it to him, it's like, Bill's like, well, he has helped me before. Now we know we didn't know that back then. So that's a cool moment that really pays off even better now.
00:04:48
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that's a nice part about having such a long franchise you're able to add things to it or recontextualize things or build up to certain things with other projects so yeah anyways let's just let's get right into ranking these movies we're gonna do this
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in chronological order, but we're going to start with the Skywalker saga and then go on into the spinoffs.
Ranking Prequel Trilogy Films
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By the way, we are counting the Clone Wars movie and you should too. Yes. It's a valid movie. It's a movie, that's for sure. It's a valid movie. We'll talk about it when we get there.
00:05:23
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uh okay starting with episode one the phantom menace scottie you're a prequel kid i am this is this is the first movie you saw in diana i'm assuming this is high for you yes and no i would put this
00:05:44
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Oh, cause I, I'm always like, do I go off of like rewatchability? What do I gravitate to? Or just like how good it is? I'm just, I'm going to say, I'm going to put it in the beach here. That's where I would put it. Beach here.
00:05:58
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yeah i could agree with that i could agree with that because i know people like to hate on the phantom menace but i don't know i love the vibes i i love i like when i think of the prequels i'm like i want to watch a prequel movie i'm not gonna lie that movie for me is the phantom menace and it holds up probably the best as well when it comes like the special effects which is something we've talked about on and off air but like it looks good in kuigan jen like yeah
00:06:25
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If anything, like he carries that movie so much. He's so good. Okay. Beater is good. Because I don't think it's like, even though I have a lot of great things to say about it, I think there's still that element of like, who is the protagonist of the Phantom Menace? The pacing is a little off. But listen, as a kid, it was great. Well, it in the role in the main role, like, come on.
00:06:51
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True. And speaking of the pacing, I'm going to come out, I'm going to come out for the third time in my life and say that I hate the pot racing scene and it goes on for too long. So that's why it's not higher on the ranking. I know lots of people love it, but for me, as much as I love this movie, I'm like, oh, I don't need that much of that pot race.
00:07:12
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Right. I love the pod racing. It's just, it interrupts the movie with like a NASCAR race for like 15 minutes. It feels a little weird. It's just no dialogue and then like, okay. I love it. I'm still camped. It was so camped though, but whatever. All right. Episode two, Attack of the Clones. I don't know. I don't know.
00:07:35
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If I like it more or less than the Phantom Menace, what do you think? S-tier, S-tier, S-tier, L-tier. S-tier Attack of the Clones. Let me hear this. Let me hear this. I agree. I gotta hear this. Iconic. It's iconic. Okay, think of the prequels and think of like the moments that you, like the images that you think of in your head, the big moments. You cannot tell me
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The moment in the Petrodocchi Arena when all the Jedi start lighting up their lightsabers does not get you fucking pumped. And is it like a go-to moment from the prequels? That's true. That's true. Seeing all the Jedi come together. It's like the most light sabers in a Star Wars movie. Right. At the same time.
00:08:21
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Yeah, and the movie's also better paced than the Phantom Menace. I'd say it's higher than the Phantom Menace, but best y'all know about S.T. The dialogue is pushing me down a little bit. And listen, I know Star Wars dialogue is clunky, but- Mid clunky.
00:08:51
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Okay, but, Dexter Jethster.
00:08:57
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Yeah, but he's using him for like 30 seconds. Okay, I will, because I am an agreeable person and I will argue and listen to other people's points, I will compromise and say A tier. A tier sounds good, because like I said, I think it's higher than the Phantom Menace. We're still going to get attacked in the comments, but it's fine.
00:09:22
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I don't care. Revenge of the Sith. This is the one, if we're worried about comments. I have a hot take about Revenge of the Sith. Please. I think it's my least favorite of the prequels. Ooh, okay. I love that it comes together and everything and we see the progression of
00:09:50
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We see the finale of how Obi-Wan and Anakin broke apart, to put it lightly, broke apart.
Ranking Original Trilogy Films
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And he becomes Darth Vader. And seeing how everything happens is obviously very important to the entire Star Wars saga. So for that, it's not like I dislike the movie by any means. It also has some of the greatest moments.
00:10:14
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as a movie together and it's definitely the one that has the weirdest pacing where it's like the utapau stuff is very early on in the movie but also feels very late in the movie somehow and it just feels very weird and also
00:10:32
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Sometimes it does feel a little bit like a checklist of like, okay, we gotta get this done We gotta get because they knew where they had to go with it. Like there was already a predetermined ending I think that's the thing that that kind of puts a Nick in like the scale of it being top tier is because it had to do so many things But what I will say is I think that the lightsaber duels in the movie make up for that. Yeah
00:10:58
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Yes, because not only do we get you know Palpatine versus who is it kid Fisto? Mace went do oh god if oh, I can't remember. Who are the other people? Oh, sure. Oh, it's a with the horns ah Toss take I don't like I'm safe. I say his name states. Yes. Yes, whatever you just said that and other Dab rat guy That's not the one that was on the council in the Phantom Menace. Oh
00:11:26
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Who knows? So that duel is great. Mace Windu and Palpatine. Yoda and Palpatine. I didn't even bring that up. We got Yoda in episode two. Come on, top tier. But I know we're talking about episode three. That duel is really great. Yoda does not slay as much in this duel, but understandably so. Because he's going up again a Sith Lord. So
00:11:53
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I think that those duels, you know, Obi-Wan versus Anakin, probably the best duel in any Star Wars. Where are you thinking? Where are you thinking on the list? I think, like, C-tier, like, right in the middle, like, series, but...
00:12:12
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It's like, I don't know, I think, I really think that just the whole aspect of the checklist and needing it to end feels like things got a little rushed where it's like, the Clone Wars adds so much to the story of when it can and making the downfall tragic. But if we're just watching these three together, it's kind of like, episode two, they're split apart. And then episode three, it's like, we need you to believe that these two, they get along really well. They're brothers. You were my brother.
00:12:42
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There and then it breaks apart and it's like Even even the siege of Mandalore adds so much to episode 3 without even being a part of it You know, I think all I think I'll go with c2 because the more we talk about it. I was thinking the knee and If we're going off of the movie itself, not just about how much Scotty rewatches it then yeah, I think we'll list here. I
00:13:06
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right the prequels are interesting uh i i i feel like i've always enjoyed the prequels you're in the same boat right dude it's i fucking love the prequels like
00:13:16
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right those those movies it was always sad even like when i came into the the like actual star wars fandom like seven years ago where it's like now the prequels if you say like we're probably gonna get fucking blasted for how we ranked these movies even though i feel like we were pretty generous uh that that wasn't the case like when i even joined seven years ago oh nettle especially when the force awakens came out and it was like
00:13:44
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This is much better than the prequels. That was the popular opinion. And I just remember being like, I love the prequels. Like, what do you mean? There's so much good stuff. I mean, I grew up with like my friend's dads telling me when we would talk about Star Wars and like the prequels being like, oh, well, that's not anywhere near the original trilogy. Like they suck. Right. Well, I've told the story on the podcast before of how my dad didn't even tell me that these movies exist. You better hope he doesn't watch this ranking.
00:14:16
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Cause then he's gonna be mad about how high I ranked him. It's not gonna be about how low we ranked him, it's gonna be about how high. Yeah, well speaking of, do you think it's time to get to the original trilogy?
00:14:31
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yes so these movies are interesting because it's obviously the ones that started it all it's the ones that everyone looks at as the classics and it's kind of like no one no one looks at these movies entirely critically because they're the originals they're the ones that started it all
00:14:51
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Oh, I'm here to change that. Okay, well, episode four. I feel like even though it does so much for the originals, I think it's my least favorite of the originals. 100% same. It is boring.
00:15:11
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Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't go as far to say boring. I love the story of it a lot. But I just, I feel like it's one of those things where it just progressively got better.
00:15:23
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Well, okay, let me say this then. I think it starts off good and there's so much lore and like anybody that listens to us knows that I love the lore. So we're getting so much lore. You're right, the beginning half I love. It's like the third act that for me is just kind of- I feel that. It's like we get to the big bad and then it's like, okay, now we're done. That's true.
00:15:53
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I love Luke's journey and I love his introduction into basically the hero's journey. I don't know, like in that sense it's classic and it's one of those movies that people look at and they're like, this is what, if my movie could even have like the fraction of storytelling that this movie has, I've succeeded.
00:16:18
Speaker
Oh, I mean, what A New Hope did for its time, what it achieved, the way it looked, the boundaries are pushed. Amazing. I mean, S tier all the way. But if we're ranking on like how we feel about the movie, I don't know. Okay, go ahead. Do you think it's higher than Revenge of the Sith? No.
00:16:40
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I do. I think it would be B tier. I was thinking C tier. C tier? Behind Revenge of the Sith?
00:16:52
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Oh no, are we ranking it like on the line too? Is that a thing? I think that's how it works. I didn't like research. We can rank the movies and we'll figure it out. I think that's how it works where it's like it goes down the list. Well, why don't we, why don't we compromise then and put it on C before Revenge of the Sith. And even if that's not a thing, we can just make up this role because it's our podcast and we can do what we want.
00:17:22
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Yeah, this is the motherfucking way seekers. Did we even say that? Hi, everyone. Welcome to this is the way. Okay. Okay. I can agree to that. I still okay. Me. I was like, I think it should even go above the Phantom Menace. But, but I can agree to this. So I can agree to this. I think you're good.
00:17:49
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That's funny because they're back to back to it. Revenge of the Sith to a new hope. That's funny. Interesting. The Empire Strikes Back. This is the one that pretty much everyone universally sees as like the best one. Do you agree with that sentiment or?
00:18:10
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Yeah, I think I do. I won't say that it's like my favorite, but it's like very high up on my list. If I'm going to pick a movie from the original trilogy, it's Empire Strikes Back all day. So because it's such a good movie, it does so much. I'd be cool putting it in S tier because I enjoy it a lot. I think it's great.
00:18:37
Speaker
I think it's exactly what a sequel should be. And it's the dark one. You know, I love some dark shit and it wasn't afraid to go there. That's true. Oh, the twist of the century of ever the movie twist.
00:18:53
Speaker
Yeah, then like I never I always wonder like what that would have been like to experience because by the time I was born it was like engraved in pop culture that like Darth Vader is Luke's father so I never got to experience like the
00:19:09
Speaker
I know. Imagine. So just for that S tier. S tier. Okay. Yeah. Because I don't think there's any flaws of Empire Shakes Back, at least off top of my head. Well, George Lucas thought there wasn't enough windows in Cloud City, but he fixed that, so. You know, it's funny that George Lucas actually thought Empire Shakes Back sucked.
00:19:36
Speaker
He wanted to apologize for it and he didn't want to release it. Jokes on him. It's just crazy. Jokes on him. Humble King. Humble King. But yeah. Okay, Return of the Jedi. My original favorite of the originals. Oh, this is going to be an argument. I can feel it, Cullen.
00:19:57
Speaker
I love the campiness, love the Ewoks. I feel like this is really the culmination of like the smaller, the underdog, the smaller guy stepping up and defeating like a huge evil. And for that, I just feel like it speaks Star Wars so much that not only do I think it should be S tier, I think it should be before Empire Strikes Back.
00:20:23
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Well, that's OK. So for me, I think the job is policy because I'm way too long. OK, yeah, that's true. I thought and time. And the movie, I feel like.
00:20:40
Speaker
I don't remember if we've talked about this on the Potter, if it's just been between the two of us, but something that was done specifically is they tried to soften Princess Leia because male fans thought she was a bitch because she was assertive and she just took matters into her own hands and wasn't afraid to take control while misogyny. So they were like, we're going to make Princess Leia feminine and soft and she's going to be in a dress and she's going to hang out with the teddy bears. And they nuked her fucking character in it.
00:21:10
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sense. I think Empire Strikes Back kind of had a great balance of showing her strength in her heart, whereas Return of the Jedi kind of nuked her. So I don't love that. I don't love the Ewoks. So, oh, god. Is it just like, like, you just don't like them in general? Or you think like, it just doesn't fit into Star Wars or?
00:21:38
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No, I think they fit. I just think that almost kind of like Jabba's palace. I'm like, why did we spend so much time with the Ewoks? It's like we go from Jabba's palace to Endor. I mean, I know we go to Dagobah. I know we go into the penis asteroid monster. Like there is other things that happen, but it's kind of like, that's it.
00:22:03
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those are our two main places. And I think they're both kind of boring. So I'd be willing to compromise on B tier.
00:22:15
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Yeah, I will say I mean like I definitely understand with Leia because one thing I just I had a question I don't know that this is probably something that I need to research because now after the podcast I'm gonna be like looking into this well like free Leia as a character what did Making her a Skywalker do for Leia as a character making her related to Luke Nothing in that movie Or like honestly, what was the point in general? Cuz like I know that
00:22:45
Speaker
There's another, like there had to be another. But was there any like real reason that's like, they were like, okay, it has to be Leia.
00:22:55
Speaker
Well, something to keep in mind, and I can say it did nothing for the movie, because there is the throne room scene with Palpatine and Vader, and Vader says to Luke, if you won't turn, then maybe your sister will. That was it. That's what gets Luke really attacking him. That's what gets his emotions boiling and whatnot. So there is that.
00:23:18
Speaker
I have researched this because when I made my Return of the Jedi video of like how Return of the Jedi impacted Star Wars they talked about that how because like Star Wars it became such a family story with Darth Vader and Luke becoming related
00:23:34
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It made sense that Luke would have someone that he really cared about and I guess it heightened the relationship to have Luke and Leia be siblings. They said we'll just forget their little crush and kiss and a new hope. Right.
00:23:55
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but yeah so i guess in that sense it makes sense but i'm also just like what is was that a good decision for leia has a character like it feels like something they kind of sacrificed to of leia i mean serve luke
00:24:13
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That's true. It kind of adds to like the nuking of Leia's character where like before she was just a standalone character, she was her own person. Oh, but now she's Luke's sister. You know, the poster boy is now his sister, Darth Vader's daughter, where I think they've done a great job of really building up Leia as a Skywalker since. Yeah.
00:24:34
Speaker
But yeah, in the movie itself, it's also just kind of like, were they trying to do another twist that was on the know I am your father level? Right. Yeah. I don't know. Now I'm like, damn, I was I was ready to put Empire or Return of Jedi number one. I didn't expect I didn't expect first to be like conversationally a change in my mind.
00:25:03
Speaker
I mean, that's the point. That's what we're working as a team. I like it. Well, in that sense, then I think it should honestly go behind Phantom Menace.
00:25:18
Speaker
Do you, do you believe, do you genuinely believe in it being like, oh wait, well you said B tier already, right? I said B tier. Okay, then that's where, that's where it goes.
Debating Sequel Trilogy Films
00:25:29
Speaker
B tier. Easy enough. Well, oh God. Oh, you put it there, I can't say, it's already there, I can't say anything else. No, we can change it. This is our podcast, remember? I mean, I like Revenge of the Sith better. Oh.
00:25:49
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oh but if i'm gonna
00:25:55
Speaker
If I'm going to watch a original trilogy movie, it's Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, A New Hope. So we can keep it in B. That's a good spot for it. We'll leave it in B. Yeah, I think it's a good spot because I still love Return of the Jedi. I still love the campiness of it. I'm also a huge fan of Han Solo, so.
00:26:20
Speaker
Well, Han Solo does get a great moment. We do get, I mean, as much as Jabba's palace is so drawn out for me, it does a great job of world building with all the different characters and species that you see. I mean, without it, we wouldn't have had the Book of Boba Fett series, so. Oh, no. What would we have ever done?
00:26:45
Speaker
So, I mean, it's it's good. It it's good for what it did. It's not my favorite and it's not near my top movies, but I think. Can I ask, is this how you've always felt about the movie or was this recently like when it released in theaters and you got like a full I'm not going to go on my phone at all, not going to be distracted experience of it and it maybe changed your perspective.
00:27:15
Speaker
I've never connected a ton with Return of the Jedi and maybe that's because I've never connected much with Luke. Maybe if I think about it, maybe I've connected way more with Leia and that's why I'm so
00:27:30
Speaker
like angry about her character change for Return of the Jedi because she was really cool. Like literally, okay. I'm gonna be a little off topic, but with one of my exes, I literally compared us to Han and Leia with, I love you and I know. And I said, however,
00:27:50
Speaker
You are, I love you, and I am, I know. And we do get the switch up in Return of the Jedi with Leia being the one to say, I know. Right.
00:28:01
Speaker
I loved her. I loved Leia too. I loved Luke though. I mean like like I said I didn't even know the prequels existed so in that sense I still have like kind of a bias for the originals and connecting with Luke but that's like when I was watching with my dad he connected to Luke so he was like telling me all the the cool shit about Luke and I remember
00:28:24
Speaker
being young and him telling me like in between movies Mark Campbell got a car accident and that's why an empire strikes back. He's in the medical bay and whatnot. And so I always loved Luke and seeing his culmination. I love that. I just I don't know Return of the Jedi. It's just something like whenever I write fan fiction or wrote anything fan fictiony within the past like seven years.
00:28:54
Speaker
It always ends up connecting back to Return of the Jedi somehow, whether it takes place on Endor or something. So I don't know, it's just like my vibe, my star. It's almost like maybe Return of the Jedi shouldn't have been the finale of the original trilogy.
00:29:10
Speaker
because I feel like they set up a lot. We mentioned before with Leia, what was the big reason for making her Luke's sister and Darth Vader's daughter? There could have been more to it. Like you said, it was a late entry to put in there because I don't think we find out until, if not halfway through the movie, three-fourths of the way through the movie because it's while Luke's on Dagobah shortly before he leaves.
00:29:39
Speaker
Yeah, no Well, yeah, we find out when Yeah on Dagobah. I thought you were asking when he tells her cuz that's more later. But oh shit when we find out as an audience. Yeah, it's It's in that hut in that moment Is it or is it an Empire Strikes Back cuz they have that force connection. Oh
00:30:03
Speaker
Well, we learn that they have the force connection, but it's not, we don't learn in Empire Shakes Back that they're siblings. Okay. No. Okay. Sorry, it was fucking me up a little bit because it was like, wait, am I completely wrong? Is my life a lie?
00:30:19
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No, yeah, no because in Empire Strikes Back like Yoda says there's another And it's like revealed like it's been revealed that they didn't they didn't really know who the other was they were just like there's like
00:30:36
Speaker
Right. But to your point that there was, it feels like they should have been more, I feel like there was supposed to be more because the whole thought process was like, we're going to make the prequels, which ended up taking like 15 years for them to make.
00:30:55
Speaker
But I assume that that should have been earlier and then Mark Hamill and Leia and Han, they all were meant to return by the early 2000s to make the sequel trilogy where things like that would have been followed up. And if you remember in George's original plans or in one of the original plans, Leia was the chosen
00:31:16
Speaker
and she was the one who would ultimately defeat the evil in the end. And so I think- And she was the one, she was the one that Yoda wanted to train too that we learned, that he wanted to train her, not Luke. Right. And so I feel like George's thought process or Richard and Marquin or whoever was, it's basically been confirmed that like Richard, the director was like an assistant to George Lucas on this movie, but still gets the director credit.
00:31:46
Speaker
I just feel like they thought of it in the context of the entire trilogy or the entire saga, which obviously ended up not happening or changing over time. So. And we'll get to it. Yes. Yes. So I think this is the perfect transition into the ones that people actually have fun arguing about these days.
00:32:12
Speaker
because these ones first six movies spent 40 years obviously no star wars fan agrees on everything but these are the movies that it's like they've run their course they've had their trials and they've been released we're coming up on the 10-year anniversary too of the force awakens shut up i don't want to hear all that i don't hear none of that
00:32:35
Speaker
No, that's crazy to me that The Force Awakens, yeah, it turned eight years old this year and that was like my re-introduction into Star Wars. But that was like your trilogy. Like I always talk about the prequel trilogy was like my trilogy. The sequel trilogy was your trilogy.
00:32:53
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. In terms, because I'm in that weird place where it's like, like I was, I'm young enough to remember like the hype of the prequels, but I'm like too old to be like, oh yeah, I was a kid when the sequels released. I was like a teenager, you know what I mean? But I wasn't like five years old. Were you like 13 or were you like 17?
00:33:21
Speaker
yeah i was like yeah i was like 14 okay so it's perfect perfectly honestly yeah because it's like the whole point is like you're supposed to get into it when you're 12 or whatever
00:33:32
Speaker
The Force Awakens, because it was my re-introductory and because it was like my movie, I hold it in a special place for years. I had said it was my number one Star Wars movie. Looking back, it's just so unimaginative, very safe. I feel like it's been tarnished a little bit by the movies that followed too, because when it came out, I was also like,
00:34:00
Speaker
Oh my god. I remember that teaser of Finn just popping up on Jakku. I don't remember if that was the first teaser or not, but just the height. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was extremely exciting. But I think looking back,
00:34:17
Speaker
Yeah, the movies that followed up like it, it kind of, what's the word I'm looking for? It deteriorates. It like tarnished the excitement of it because then it's like now we look at it as the trilogy versus at the time we just looked at it as the next installment on its own.
00:34:35
Speaker
I definitely agree with that, but I also wonder if back in the day, the reason that I like held it in such a high regard is because it's just a new hope. And not only is it a new hope, but it's the, okay. Like look at the Mandalorian. I think the Mandalorian is the biggest thing that kind of tarnished it for me is I look at the Mandalorian.
00:34:56
Speaker
When it came out it takes place after episode 6 and just look at all the things it was able to come up with that also breathed Star Wars but it's all brand new to the point where anybody could come in and pick it up and watch it at that point. I'm not saying The Force Awakens isn't that movie but when you look at
00:35:16
Speaker
how it had even more space than the Mandalorian does. Mind you, Mandalorian has to tie into episode seven and episode six. Force Awakens could have done literally whatever the fuck it wanted. There was no guidelines, nothing. All they did was bring back the Empire 30 years later, which
00:35:41
Speaker
undermines the original trilogy of like that whole fight and that's something i kind of got over it's something i could get over but you just look at the way that the conflict they have and the things that do make it different they don't really
00:35:58
Speaker
Go into like we don't really go into anything with the New Republic. It's just like gone Well, you know, it's so funny about that too. Well at the time we didn't really know what they were. There's just these random people in a balcony. Bye And I guess I'm supposed to feel bad but unfortunately the sequel trilogy also felt like I
00:36:19
Speaker
Well, I don't want to talk about it as a whole, but like with The Force Awakens, we got the aftermath trilogy afterwards that kind of contextualized a lot of The Force Awakens. But if you're like me and you weren't reading or don't read Star Wars, like I wasn't reading at the time.
00:36:33
Speaker
You just never know. So that cool information you just don't get. Right. Right. And the things that The Force Awakens does really well. That's where I see like the movies that follow it. It hurts a little bit because like Finn as a stormtrooper, like turning into a Jedi to the point where at the end of the movie he's facing
00:36:58
Speaker
the motherfucking villain, the Sith stand-in, because it's not a Sith, even though it's a Sith, but it's not a Sith because we're changing it up, but it's the exact same, but it, you know, like... It's more a rice. They didn't even call them a dark side, or they were just like, they're not a Sith. Right. At first it was... They just used the dark side. Right. At first it was Jedi Killer, until they continued developing the trilogy and realized there's no motherfucking Jedi, so... You can't really have a Jedi Killer, so...
00:37:27
Speaker
you better watch out the one Jedi well right that's a whole nother story we won't talk about who's alive during what Jedi are alive during the time of this movie but yeah i don't know how do you feel about the force awakens and like has your opinion of it changed over time i mean obviously we talked about the movies that follow it recontextualizing things but
00:37:50
Speaker
I have to admit, I keep saying it was tarnished by everything that followed, and I think it's also made me not like the movie as much. I'm trying to think of positive things to say. I like Takodana. It's crazy. I loved Poe in The Force Awakens, and I loved Finn in The Force Awakens.
00:38:17
Speaker
That's so true. And then both of them kind of go nowhere after that. But I guess in context of the movie, Finn and Poe are great. Like probably a highlight. They're the highlight. Yeah. Saving each other for sure. I also really like Rey. I mean, this just goes into talking about Rey as a character. I didn't connect with her in The Force Awakens.
00:38:47
Speaker
And then I still don't connect with her. So that's why that's probably another reason why Finn and power like the standouts. And then even Poe is supposed to die. He wasn't even supposed to like go past the force awakens. But right.
Critiquing The Rise of Skywalker
00:39:00
Speaker
I really liked Ray, but I also I feel like a lot of what interested me about the force awakens was just the future like what it promised. It's not like the force awakens like looking back was like
00:39:14
Speaker
a fantastic movie, but the things that excited me was everything that could happen after The Force Awakens. Exactly. Luke Skywalker, where Rey could go, but I also feel like I connected with Rey. Again, I was 14 years old, but the whole journey of
00:39:33
Speaker
Ray, you know, in the end she grabs the lightsaber and it's just, it's so fucking good that moment. I also, I like Han's role. I don't love that. Yeah, so did Harrison Ford.
00:39:52
Speaker
like to kill me and i'm done right in terms of like the character i loved haunting that movie because it feels like he he's run away from so much his entire life and then it's like he comes and he has to face basically his son what he's created at the same time
00:40:10
Speaker
You can tell he's grown. Han as a person has definitely grown. Even just the line of him being like the force, the Jedi, it's all real. Like the Han from the original trilogy, you wouldn't be saying that, but he's grown so much. In that sense, he's grown for sure of coming forward with that and understanding the Jedi and realizing there's more, but at the same time. More than just snuggling.
00:40:40
Speaker
Well, that's the thing. He's right back into smuggling in The Force Awakens after the original trilogy was kind of like, hey, he's a good guy now. And then shit gets tough, but it's something that happens off screen. And it's one of those things where if you're not reading the books, if you don't read Last Shot,
00:41:01
Speaker
You're like, what the fuck happened to Han Solo, man? What do you mean he's a smuggler again, and he's like, owing debts to these two gangs? And honestly, why did Chewie put up with his shit? Right.
00:41:15
Speaker
Right. Because doesn't Chewbacca canonically have a family life? It's poor family. I mean, honestly, though, that's true. There's the life debt. I forget there's a life debt. So, right. So there you go. Where would Forselich go on this list? Oh, OK. I was going to say seed, but
00:41:48
Speaker
I feel like for me- I like all of these movies better than The Force Awakens. I mean, so do I, but like, if we're going with my favorites, then we need to rearrange some shit.
00:42:00
Speaker
But I just okay, you know, I just just put it in D. Just put it in D. I just I just don't think it has that many redeeming qualities where it's like before I would have like lied to myself. I'm like, yeah, like why am why am I arguing to try to put it higher? Let's just let's move on. I don't know what I'm doing.
00:42:23
Speaker
This doesn't feel right. Han Solo has taken over my body and he's upset about this. This is both crap. So The Last Jedi. This one's interesting. It's very interesting. You are correct. I want to hear your thoughts first on it.
00:42:44
Speaker
Well, the reason I say it's interesting is because when I left the theater, I did not like it. I was not happy with it. I had gone through with my best friend and showed her all the Star Wars movies up until this point. So this was the movie that I got to take her to see for her first Star Wars movie in the theater. And I walked out and I was like,
00:43:04
Speaker
She didn't even really like that much. And I literally said in the car, I was like, I'm sorry that that was your first Star Wars movie in theaters experience. And she was like, yeah, it's whatever. So those were our thoughts leaving the movie theater.
00:43:22
Speaker
As I've come around to this story, what it did, I will say I like JJ Abrams' cinematography better than Rian Johnson's. I do think they do have a lot of distinct
00:43:37
Speaker
they both have a unique style that's their own. But the way I kind of see it is it's almost like JJ Abrams cinematography is more wide like scapes and like landscapes and big kind of scenes. Whereas with Ryan Johnson, it feels more honed in on specific things. I know nothing about cinematography. So I don't know if this makes any sense, but that's the way I. So while I don't like it as much visually,
00:44:05
Speaker
I hate the color red, so that kind of taints all the marketing for me as well. In hindsight, as I've kind of come around, and even before The Rise of Skywalker came out, I came around a lot more to The Last Jedi because I really like Rey Nobody.
00:44:23
Speaker
I really like the idea of the dyad that they introduced in the movie. I like the forced connection that they introduced between Rey and Kylo. I think it added a lot to both of their characters and kind of what the thing that people hate about Luke is that
00:44:42
Speaker
all of our expectations for Luke, or not necessarily hours, but what people thought Luke was going to do, he wasn't that. And kind of where I thought Rey and Kylo were going, it almost flipped that on its head too, because what I kind of thought they were building up with the characters
00:45:00
Speaker
they actually made them more than just the one-dimensional kind of archetype that they had in The Force Awakens to where they've got more depth. And I like a complex character, and The Last Jedi really made Kylo Ren complex, which I really like that. And I feel like it made Rey really complex too, because I don't want to use the term Grey Jedi, but both of them were kind of muddying around in the Grey area.
00:45:30
Speaker
Yeah, they were extremely complex from the Lash Jedi so much so that they became too complex for the next director. Yeah, true. So like three years ago and everything prior
00:45:49
Speaker
This movie would have been an S tier for me. I was number one last July Defender. Love that movie. I still think it's the best of the sequels. Hands down. I feel like.
00:46:04
Speaker
It's the most creative. It's the one that, like you said, it takes these characters where Force Awakens tries to play everything really safe. And this movie's like, let's just not play anything safe. Let's just risk it all. Let's risk everything. And for me, that's bold. I like that.
00:46:25
Speaker
I like that they were like, let's not just do exactly what everyone's expecting. Everyone is expecting Luke Skywalker to come in and be like this badass Jedi. He's been off training for a while.
00:46:41
Speaker
worst god like yeah and and i think that what the last shot i does with luke is really interesting of basically breaking him down as a character and being like what what would break luke skywalker as a character and like i feel like no one really thinks about the humanity of luke skywalker before this movie of like
00:47:06
Speaker
What would that pressure of someone who grew up as like a moisture farmer and like within the span of a week? He kind of finds out that he is the guy to solve everything What does that do for a person that's supposed to like build the Jedi Order and you know He failed and I don't think that that's something that a lot of people expected or even thought of like Luke Skywalker would fail but building the Jedi Order that's something that I think
00:47:36
Speaker
I don't know. I think it's just clear that Ryan Johnson as a writer thought a lot about that. Like I feel like he's when he watched Star Wars and when he was when he stopped watching the original trilogy, like that's probably something he thought about for a long time. It's like, what would that pressure be? I think that's the last that I speaks to Star Wars in so many ways. Like I feel like it has a lot of the important themes of like
00:48:06
Speaker
no matter how dark things get remain hopeful.
00:48:24
Speaker
I don't know. The way I looked at the last episode before was like everything that it was given, it did exactly what it possibly could have done to tell a good story with Luke Skywalker being basically written out the Force Awakens. And the whole reason for that was, and JJ Abrams says so, is he couldn't write the character Luke Skywalker without overshadowing the new characters.
00:48:46
Speaker
So I basically wrote him out without thinking of like, what does that mean for the story of Luke Skywalker? Because if you think about it, in The Force Awakens, Han Solo dies, Leia's in huge danger, there's this huge war going on. That's the movie that makes Luke Skywalker absent. It's not The Last Jedi.
00:49:04
Speaker
The Last Jedi explains where he's at and I don't think that Luke Skywalker going to some island training to be a force god would have made sense for the character. I think that it makes a lot more sense that he went through something where he basically thinks he is a danger to the galaxy and that's where he was and that's why he feels like he wouldn't be able to talk to
00:49:28
Speaker
Leia or help out Han or anything like that because He feels it's more dangerous for him to join the fight and they got it because if I join they're fucked
00:49:39
Speaker
In talking about this, I'm like, what if the Last Jedi was the first entry into the sequel trilogy? It would have been so much better. And if Ryan Johnson was the sole writer and director of the sequel trilogy, I think it would have been so much better because like how I said, my biggest issue with The Force Awakens is that it does nothing new. And by the way, that's George Lucas's biggest issue with The Force Awakens is that it does nothing new.
00:50:08
Speaker
The last from the maker himself. Yeah The last Jedi does so much new shit But the thing is it has to follow up the movie that did nothing and so that's always the way I looked at it is like Everything that it was given it made like it turned water into wine you know what I mean like that's how I felt about it, but at the same time it's like I
00:50:33
Speaker
the movie suffers because of the lack of planning. You know, Sin is a character that's like, he goes on a great journey of like learning what to, you know, learning that fighting is good, that you have to fight for this cause and just ignoring the fight is pretty much just allowing the oppressors, the first order to just continue because you're not fighting back when you could be.
00:51:00
Speaker
Yeah, I think that's a great lesson, but it's just like, did Finn necessarily have to learn that lesson? Because I never got the idea at the end of The Force Awakens that he wasn't into it. That he wasn't into fighting with the Resistance. You know what I mean?
00:51:15
Speaker
So I always looked at that, but then I'm like, no, they just kind of wrote Finn out of the movie. And I think, was it you that have talked about this or one of our friends, it was probably Tet, our friend Tet, who brought up the fact that Poe and Finn were supposed to go to Kanto bite together, but for some reason they didn't. And I think the reason is because homophobia, because I think Fry and Johnson wanted them to be together. And they were like,
00:51:44
Speaker
Absolutely not. Oh, no. So they gave Finn a girlfriend and then they gave Poe a girlfriend in the next movie. Oh, God. Oh, we could speculate on that forever. Honestly, my least favorite parts of The Last Jedi, I don't hate canjo bite. I think it's a cool place. I like the way it looks a lot. I think
00:52:10
Speaker
I don't know it's maybe it's a pacing thing I will say I hate I hate hate hate hate hate hate the scene of the resistance trying to outrun the first order and they're just like slowly behind them and they're just shooting at them and
00:52:29
Speaker
Yeah, God, that whole sequence is so fucking stupid. But honestly, in talking about what could you really follow up the movie with? Finn was fucked up at the end of The Force Awakens. He got sliced up his spine. And because they didn't do a goddamn time jump.
00:52:49
Speaker
Finn couldn't really do anything at first for a good point of the movie because he got plucked up. So that's another thing is like you kind of wrote him in a way where I'm not saying like Ryan Johnson couldn't have done more with Finn because yeah, he could have. It could have just been like, oh, he's in this magical or amazing bacta that we now have because it's been years. But
00:53:15
Speaker
so i'm not saying that he couldn't have been used more because he could have but yeah it was just like put in a place where i was like what can we really do we can expand the luke story because you know we had none of it in the force awaken so we have to explain all of that
00:53:30
Speaker
but we already know what's going on with the resistance, so we're just going to have them put along in space trying to outrun the first order, running out of gas. We're going to add in this canto bite thing because we need Finn to do something, but we need a character to go with him, and since he can't be gay, we're going to put Rose, which I love Rose, don't get me wrong. She's really cool, and I want more of her because I think she's great. She had a great story too, introduced at the beginning with her sister. What's her name, Paige?
00:54:00
Speaker
Page page Tico. I'm trying to get ready for this trivia. So I gotta remember these names but like It's still funny because I look back and I'm like why the hell are there so many fucking people on these sequel trilogy posters? It's because they kept breaking in new people and they wanted them to be important. So I'm doing more and more you know, do we need to continue or do we should we just choose a spot? I
00:54:27
Speaker
Yeah, we can choose a spot. Where would you put it? Because I don't even know where the fuck I would put it. I would put it B. Okay. Well, yeah. Ooh, God. Or do we want it A? I would put it above Return of Jedi at the very least. But I'm willing to put it behind the Phantom Menace. Go ahead behind the Phantom Menace, Tier B.
00:54:59
Speaker
Okay. Interesting. Uh-oh. But yeah, Last Jedi, I have gone through a weird journey with that movie. There's multiple things like I could have continued and been like, yeah, like there's this and that. I know. And that's how it's like. Right. You can do a whole episode on The Last Jedi. And I think I think we genuinely should do that someday because it's one of those movies that it's like.
00:55:29
Speaker
I don't know, I feel like it speaks to who you are as a Star Wars fan. And so I think it'll be a good episode for us to do someday soon. Rise of Skywalker.
00:55:42
Speaker
Boring or not even boring, but it just sucks. It just sucks. It just it's the worst one for me. It's a hot fucking mess. It's scarlet. Everything we just said about everything we just said that was wrong with the last Jedi, like times it by three and you have the rises.
00:56:02
Speaker
Right, right. Rise of Skywalker is a movie that feels very Frankenstein together. We know that it's the one- We know what it is. They spent the least amount of time on it. There was so much bullshit behind the scenes that it should have been delayed. It should have been the one they worked the longest on, but it's the one they worked the shortest amount of time on. Yeah.
00:56:24
Speaker
losing their director date. Oh my God. I didn't think about that. They lost their director. They got a whole new director. They had to write a whole new story. Carrie Fisher's passing poor Daisy really said she didn't even know who the fuck Ray's parents were or if she had no parents that were important through filming like
00:56:44
Speaker
Well, because this movie was a direct reaction to The Last Jedi, whereas The Last Jedi was written before The Force Awakens came out.
00:56:55
Speaker
So it didn't necessarily have the ability to go look and see what people thought. I mean, they filmed it after, so they knew that. They knew the importance of certain things there. But it's the same thing that happened with Mando. Mando season one and two, those are written without ever seeing any fan reaction. And then it's like, they follow it up. And it's like, Jon Favreau's like, oh, well, they really like those damn lizard monkeys. So they really like Navarro.
00:57:24
Speaker
uh well here's more navarro eat it up fucking losers right so it feels it feels a lot like that here but this is one where it's like the last jedi it it was it was so
00:57:40
Speaker
divisive. It divided everybody. There were people who absolutely loved it, people who absolutely hated it, and they're trying to appeal to everybody with this next movie. They ended up appealing to nobody. Oh my God. You know what's crazy? I just thought of the best scenario. Think of it this way. The Force Awakens is a Friday. Uh-huh.
00:58:03
Speaker
The last Jedi is the weekend You never know what you're gonna get into and then the rise of Skywalker is fucking Monday Yeah, that's that is a good way to put it this sucks like there's so much where
00:58:19
Speaker
I feel like the last shot, people always say it left nothing. I can agree in some sense, it left nothing that set up something that was extremely important for a finale of all of Star Wars, because mind you, that's what episode nine was, was the end of the Skywalker saga until 2025. Well, I was going to say, that's at least how they decided to market it, whether that was the plan all along.
00:58:44
Speaker
But I think that because what I mean by that is the Last of Jedi sets things up like General Hux and Kylo Ren kind of having this feud and Kylo Ren being in that weird place. Yeah, it puts him as like, is he going to be the big bad? Is he going full dark side now? Right. And it also puts him as he's the supreme leader. So like he could have made decisions and shit that just
00:59:13
Speaker
would have been great for his character as someone who's like that's what I always thought was he's gonna come in and his ruling is gonna be a lot less strict than Snoke and it's gonna be it's gonna kind of create this conflict for the resistance where what if the first order actually collected the galaxy's opinion and like got the galaxy on their side where it's like resistance or terrorists actually
00:59:39
Speaker
I always thought that would have been interesting. That would have been crazy. I also realized that that's a lot to fit into one movie. But at the same time, I don't know. It's just like they felt like, well, we have to end the Skywalker saga with something big. Skywalker saga. What's in the Skywalker saga? Who's the person they fit? Palpatine. Let's get that guy in here. That's how I'll wrap it all up because he's a big part of those six movies.
01:00:08
Speaker
oh let's bring him in here he's gonna wrap everything up they did it in legends the fans are gonna eat it up they're gonna love this dude no oh yeah they said they're looking back and they're like oh y'all love this in legends well guess what it's back it's Palpatine and he's cloned right and listen when they first revealed that he was alive like they put his laughs in the trailer i was like
01:00:33
Speaker
Okay, I'm cool with that. I think there was ways to do it where it would have been cool. But then it was JJ Abrams and Kevin Kennedy being like, this was the plan all along in every video. And we're like, no, it fucking wasn't. No, it fucking wasn't.
01:00:50
Speaker
Not even a little bit at all. There was nothing that even indicated that besides Snoke existing and kind of acting like Palpatine, and the only reason for that is because he was the stand-in for Palpatine. Just like Kylo Ren was the stand-in for Darth Vader. Do we want to talk about the out-of-universe? I mean, if you think about it, a first official poster has a Palpatine toy image.
01:01:15
Speaker
Right. Like it's a toy. It's it's not even. Yeah, it's the hot toys figure. It's not even like an image from like anything in the movie. It does even match his appearance in the movie. If you think about it and like look back to it, which I will say, I don't want to sit and shit on the rise of Skywalker the whole time because I think it's a beautiful movie. What? It looks pretty. So what?
01:01:44
Speaker
I think it looks pretty, I love, well, I said it like JJ Abrams cinematography.
Reviewing Solo: A Star Wars Story
01:01:50
Speaker
So I love all the beautiful like landscape shots of everything. Pisana, while I'm tired of another fucking desert planet, it's very pretty in the shots of like, well, I guess it's not even Pisana that's pretty, it's the people on Pisana doing their- The festival. The festival, exactly.
01:02:13
Speaker
Exegol is boring outside of like the cube but inside the cube it's pretty cool but it's also like oh we're just gonna go in the little laboratory room where Palpatine lives and he's got his little attendants and there's Snoken
01:02:28
Speaker
the tank and there's like six of them. And so I like all the Palpatine stuff because, you know, I love horror. I talked about it in my latest video about the scariest aspects of Star Wars. It's a little scary. It's a little spooky, spooky. It's a little body horror. I love that about it. Yeah, the movie is just like
01:02:49
Speaker
Yeah, it feels like just, it just feels desperate, like a hugely desperate movie. Oh, for sure. My biggest issue with Palpatine returning is like, hearing the explanation afterwards, I'm like, that's kind of cool. Like, I know, I know you are struggling to get through Shadows of the Sith. I'm not struggling.
01:03:11
Speaker
What are you? It's a, it's a very long, it's a very long book. I've never read an adult novel before, so it's just taken me a little longer. Okay. Remember, I keep playing it. Do I like that? Do you like the story?
01:03:23
Speaker
So far? So far, yeah, I do. I'm only Chapter 14. But I am liking the story a lot. I'm very intrigued by it. And this goes back to what I was saying about The Force Awakens. It's like, why do we need all this? I know we had extra things that filled in the gaps for the other trilogies. However, this one is like required reading.
01:03:44
Speaker
Right. Well, that's my issue is I like the whole story of how Ray and Palpatine and all that plays out in Shadow of the Sith and it's kind of touched on. I walk a novel. Yeah, like I I fuck with that story. But my thing is that it's not.
01:04:02
Speaker
in the Rise of Skywalker, there's no indication that that was what was happening at all to the way where when it was revealed that Palpatine is the granddaughter, everyone's first thought was, you're telling me Palpatine had sex or matter of fact, someone had sex with Palpatine? Palpatine loved somebody more than himself.
01:04:23
Speaker
Right. He wasn't out just fucking people like he was doing fucking he was trying to figure out how to live forever. He didn't have time to have sex. Right. But that was the whole meme of his like granddaughter. Yeah. Who is who's the grandma? And then like you get really, you know, what was.
01:04:42
Speaker
It was fucking, well, we know who it was, but at the time, who did you think it was at the time? I didn't have any clue. I was always like, who is Sly Moore? It's the bald bitch. He has a kid with somebody in Legends. I think it's one of the Kaminoans.
01:05:08
Speaker
Oh, I believe that sounds like some shit I would see on a rule 34 website. Yeah. We're not, we're not legends people. We don't know. You'll have to ask somebody else. I'm pretty sure that he has, he has, it's another species or something, but.
01:05:27
Speaker
no i like the explanation of everything it's just like there's no indication of it in the movie at all and i feel like it greatly suffers where it's like you bring palpatine back and there's you don't care at all and i know people always bring up like because
01:05:44
Speaker
I fucking hate the line of like somehow Palpatine returned and the people who love this movie they'll say well think about it from Poe's perspective it's not like he would have known in his mind it's literally like somehow this bitch returned and I get that 100% I get that and I would have been fine with this line
01:06:06
Speaker
But if you think about it, that line and follow it up with Darkseid magic, the secrets only the Sith knew. This is the only explanation for it in the entire movie. So it's like, sure that line isn't bad, like in that moment in the context of everything, but it's bad in the sense that that is the most you get. It's like somehow you turned. Don't forget. He has an announcement that he makes.
01:06:33
Speaker
But you'd only know from what was it, Fortnite? Oh, yeah. Motherfucking Fortnite. So if you were more supplementary material, you got to read Shadows of the Sith and you got to play Fortnite to understand how Palpatine returned. And it's just like, ugh.
01:06:50
Speaker
You know what? I mentioned, well, do you have any more to say about Palpatine's return? No. No, I want to forget about it. Because something I mentioned with Return of the Jedi is how, like I said, they nuked Leia as a character. Poor Rose Tico gets the same treatment. She gets reduced to nothing. 48 seconds of screen time.
01:07:16
Speaker
And that was due to backlash on the character because of people were fucking racist and misogynistic, but mostly just racist. It's both. But it's it's insane. And like I mentioned earlier, we get Zori Bliss. So everyone knows Po is not gay. He's definitely he's definitely not bi. He's definitely straight because he dated Zori Bliss. She is a character was kind of.
01:07:44
Speaker
take it or leave it, like she didn't really do much other than like, here's the coats to get off the planet. Right. And then you know who I do love, though, that they introduced in this movie? No. Janna.
01:07:59
Speaker
I think she has a lot of potential as a character, so I'd love to see her again. They stumbled and only brought back Lando for this movie. That was such bullshit. I mean, not bullshit that they brought him back, like, okay, thank you for finally doing it, I guess, but where the fuck was he in The Force Awakens? Honestly? Just as important to Lea and Han.
01:08:26
Speaker
Honestly, I agree. And I almost feel like they could have gotten away with more not having Luke in the movie if they had Lando there, because at least it'd be like one of the one of the core group. And on top of that, I'm like, if people if there wasn't such backlash of the Last Jedi,
01:08:45
Speaker
Would they even have brought him back for the finale? Nope. Because as much as I love Lando and I wanted him to be in the sequel trilogy more because he's he's an integral character. He's an integral player. I'm like, I don't even feel like they were going to bring him back. They weren't.
01:09:03
Speaker
That's why they didn't know what to they were like Luke was off screen as well and where he was a hermit that that one right in the book That's that's the explanation is Lando was a hermit He had a daughter, but you bring up Jana. It's one of my issues is it's like I like her but it's so clear I feel like even from the movie that there was so much more and
01:09:26
Speaker
Did you follow any of the leaks before The Rise of Skywalker came out? Yes. And you know how the whole movie leaked? That was gonna be with his daughter. Yeah, the whole movie leaked and you could see over time because the person that ended up, like, you basically, if you didn't know, The Rise of Skywalker, there was so much behind the scenes bullshit. Everything changed. Daisy Ridley has talked about this, how one day she'd walk on set, she's related to Obi-Wan Kenobi. Next day it's Palpatine. Next day she's nobody.
01:09:56
Speaker
Blah blah blah the movie changed so much and so because of that Because everything leaked there was this person on reddit that would leak everything and they were a hundred percent correct with their What they had in the end which means that all the stuff they had before was just showing the evolution of the editing process of the movie and
01:10:18
Speaker
So basically you can see what things were originally part of one part of the movie and such and Janna was one of them where it's like we know she was supposed to be Lando's daughter we know that Lando's daughter gets taken in by stormtroopers
01:10:33
Speaker
stuff like this is in the movie of like Janna like we see Janna she's an ex stormtrooper we see Lando talking about his daughter who got who became a stormtrooper it's and then in the end it's like who are you like it's so clear that that is meant to be there and i feel like even if you didn't know those leaks prior even if it wasn't basically confirmed that that was the case it's like
01:10:57
Speaker
Yeah, there's something missing and to me it's like, Janna got sidelined in her first movie.
01:11:05
Speaker
Imagine what she probably filmed for the movie versus what we saw. Let's not forget also the amazing sequence, almost as good as somehow Palpatine returned, is when Finn has to tell Rey something. Oh my God. And there's nothing. It's just like, oh, it's, you know,
01:11:32
Speaker
It's just like we all I mean I assumed he was gonna be like I love you which I'm so glad they didn't go that route But on top of that even just Finn using the force It's oh my god, it's just like they added in a little bit of him like feeling something and no one Ray died But it's like I don't know
01:11:59
Speaker
Yeah, so much. There's so much that we are never going to see. Yeah. So let's put an E and call it a day. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. 100,000 percent. Fuck that movie in every sense.
01:12:15
Speaker
Okay, the Clone Wars movie. This is another controversial movie. We talked about this. Most people don't even count it as a Star Wars movie. It came out in theaters though. I watched it in theaters, so I have a little bit of a connection to it.
01:12:30
Speaker
I have no idea it existed because when I got into the onwards in 2014, I watched the episodes separately. Right. I think that, I mean, I know that it's like four episodes put together. I feel like you can really tell. It's like if this was in the column wars, it'd be like,
01:12:51
Speaker
really unimportant. The most important part obviously is Ahsoka and Anakin. They're like Ahsoka becoming Anakin's padawan and that's important but so that would have been one important episode out of the entire four episode arc.
01:13:07
Speaker
I don't know. I don't enjoy the movie. I can't rewatch it. I can't get there. You know what's funny about it though? Talking about Ahsoka's introduction. So we know that the Tardikovsky Clone Wars series is not canon. And what happened in it doesn't play into what happens in the Clone Wars. However,
01:13:26
Speaker
technically Ventress is introduced in that series and then she never gets an introduction in the Clone Wars. She's just there and she's just there in the movie and it's funny that
01:13:41
Speaker
I get why she carried over because she was so good. Like she's such a great idea and such a cool character. You know, I could go on for hours about her, but just we're just going to focus on her introduction for this. And she's just there. I also don't ever rewatch the Clone Wars movie. I forget what's in it and what's not in it. Right. So even though I love the Clone Wars, I mean, you all know anybody that listens to the podcast or listens to me anywhere. I am a Clone Wars stan. However,
01:14:13
Speaker
He The humble beginnings. Yeah, honestly, I was I was willing to put it indeed Anyway, it goes above rise of sky. You know what right? We agree with that, right?
01:14:24
Speaker
Oh, that's tough because I will say that I have rewatched the Rise of Skywalker more than I've rewatched the Clone Wars movie. Granted, it's been like three times three times for like the Rise of Skywalker, three or four Clone Wars movie, maybe once or twice. Oh, you have a point. I can sit through the Rise of Skywalker and watch it.
01:14:44
Speaker
I can't sit through the Clone Wars. Well, I fall asleep during the rise of Skywalker, but I try. I don't because the movie, for all its faults, the pacing, I don't think is one of them because that movie, it takes you on a ride. It takes you on a ride, and once it starts, it doesn't stop. Zero to 60. I enjoy that.
01:15:09
Speaker
I don't, but it's fine. We'll move on to a much better movie. Much better to the point where this is my positive take, my positive hot take. Okay. S tier.
01:15:27
Speaker
Solo is so S-tier for me, and I know you're not gonna agree, I know it's not gonna end up on S-tier on this list, but Solo is genuinely a great movie. Like, it just, it checks every box for me. Granted, I think there's some issues with it. Like, I talked about in Revenge of the Sith, how it kind of feels like there's a checklist. It kind of feels like that in this movie, like, oh, we need to get the Kessel run.
01:15:53
Speaker
The dice, they do that on their own accord, where it's like, the dice, like nobody was concerned about those before Disney started bringing them up, but sure, you need to explain where those came from. There's more, but why am I not thinking of it? The Kessel Run, did we already talk about that? No, but it's gorgeous. Right. So yeah, there's just things that obviously,
01:16:20
Speaker
had to have been done but I think it's just it's a great movie it's another movie that has such good pacing and it's one that makes me feel emotional but in a good way where it's like I put on solo and there's so many things that are sad but it's like it's just a it's just a feel-good movie like seeing Han like seeing Beckett trust Han
01:16:44
Speaker
and kind of building up that mentorship and that relationship. And yeah, it ends really painfully. But I think it's just a feel good movie. I love Chewbacca. I love Han Solo. I think this is like the most fun Star Wars movie.
01:17:00
Speaker
And two, this is one that also- It's a fun adventure. Right. And this movie, it had pretty much the same exact issues as like Rise of Skywalker. I was just thinking that, to look at the difference. Right. Like they fired their director 80% of the way through filming it the first time and had to redo it and fit certain parts of that movie in. Some of the cast couldn't come back, like Dryden Voss was recast and
01:17:29
Speaker
There's just things like that where it had so much going against it, and I just think it was so good. Also, Ron Howard's just insanely talented, so I don't feel ashamed to say, yeah, he made it nice to your Star Wars movie.
01:17:41
Speaker
So I initially didn't really have an opinion on this movie. It wasn't one that I revisited. It wasn't one that I hated, but I was just like, yeah, it's it's there. Right. It's funny because I've watched the movie more recently and realize it's really good. Yeah. And I love Kira. You know, I mean, you know, not everybody knows this, but my hot take is
01:18:10
Speaker
I like Han and Kira better than Han and Leia. Oh, I agree. I agree. So that's that's controversial. But their story, it's just so good. I love them. I love Kira as a character and.
01:18:28
Speaker
I think the movie also, and this may be because it's a different actor playing Han Solo, but Han Solo feels like a more developed character in a sense where there's almost more to him I feel like than there is where he's still kind of an archetype of like the almost like the bad boy in the original trilogy and that kind of
01:18:51
Speaker
We talked about it earlier where he's kind of grown but not really grown. He's just so wide-eyed. It's like he hasn't been hardened by the galaxy at this point. We literally see that in the movie. It's an adventure. It's funny. You could almost say it's like if they did an in-universe version of like an Indiana Jones film and that's solo.
01:19:17
Speaker
which is crazy because Harrison Ford is Indiana Jones and he is Han Solo. Solo's good. Solo's really good and people need to dust it off and rewatch it because it does a lot of great things.
01:19:33
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's a brilliant movie. I think like obviously I understand people's gripes and like how it's hard for people to see like Alden Ehrenreich as Han Solo. Alden Ehrenreich doesn't look like Harrison Ford. I'm not gonna sit here and try to pretend or try to convince people that he looks like Harrison Ford. He doesn't. But his performance as the character for me makes up for that where it's like I'm always the person that's just like
01:20:02
Speaker
I'm more about vibes than looks where it's like we've talked about this when they like de-age Hayden Christensen in the last two projects where or they didn't de-age him in Kenobi but they de-aged him in Ahsoka where I never really had a problem with them not de-aging Obi-Wan because it's like the vibe is there but I also understand people I think you're someone like that right like you prefer the continuity right
01:20:28
Speaker
it definitely makes it more believable for me when I see the way that I imagine them in my mind that they're supposed to look.
Exploring Rogue One's Impact
01:20:35
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And that's a gripe that I got over also with Alden Ehrenreich, at least in this movie. Because I'm like, he's younger. I mean, it's a bright-eyed and bushy-tailed Han Solo versus the grisly, rugged Han Solo that we eventually get in the original trilogy.
01:20:55
Speaker
And you know what's funny? I joked earlier about how the sequel trilogy kept adding more and more characters. But I feel like none of them really made their mark. Whereas characters like Kira made her mark. You have L3 made her mark. Like she literally becomes a part of the Falcon. Right. Beckett. We get it. We get Beckett. Even Dryden Voss. Like he's a cool villain. Oh, I love him. And he's not, you know,
01:21:25
Speaker
or bring him back Palpatine or here's the dark side again. You know what I mean? Or she's not the empire either. Right. Well, what's interesting about this movie too is like, even though you have like Maul in the end and everything, this was the most disconnected movie that Star Wars ever got from like a new hope because I mean, it has Han Solo, but
01:21:48
Speaker
A lot of the Star Wars movies and shows, they're all about the force. I was going to say, you could say it's just disconnected from the Skywalker saga, not even a new hope. Right. Because when Rogue One was coming out, everyone was saying that, like, oh, yeah, Rogue One's going to be the one to break the shift and break the tide. That's not what happened with Rogue One. It's a prequel to A New Hope. It's A New Hope 0.5.
01:22:17
Speaker
But this movie, it broke new ground within Star Wars, I feel like. Han Solo has become one of my favorite characters because of this movie.
01:22:30
Speaker
I think there's a lot to it where it's like I can relate a lot to Han Solo with like some of my life stories you know like Han Solo just not seeing Kira for three years and whatnot I can look at that and be like oh like I feel you Han Solo I know know what that's like and so I feel like I guess maybe I have like more of a personal connection to it but I just I don't know I love the movie and I'm scared to hear where you want to place it but
01:23:00
Speaker
Oh, I would place it in A. A? Do you think above the side with clones or after? I'm going to rewatch Attack of the Clones before I rewatch Solo. However, I'll probably pay more attention to Solo than I would Attack of the Clones. So we can put it ahead of Attack of the Clones. I'm OK with that. Because it's there.
01:23:28
Speaker
It's like everybody says that they talk about Andor being so good, even being so removed from Star Wars. And I feel like Solo also kind of has a similar vibe to that, where it does its own thing within Star Wars, but that's also a part of what makes it so good. Yeah.
01:23:45
Speaker
Yeah. Solo's just great. I wish that it wasn't the worst performing Star Wars movie in the world, but whatever. That's what I'm saying. Dust off Solo from your shelf, give it a rewatch because it's worth it. It's worth it. Rogue One, the last one on my list. Let's hear your thoughts first. Rogue One is like,
01:24:15
Speaker
my favorite Star Wars movie. I love Rogue One so, so much. It's the only Star Wars movie, and we're talking about the movies here. The only movie I have cried in, not once, but three times. This movie is so good. I love it so much. It's a beautiful movie to look at.
01:24:44
Speaker
Honestly, I almost feel like this movie blends the eras of Star Wars the best. Better than Mando. Everybody likes to say that Mandalorian did that. I think Rogue One did it way better.
01:24:59
Speaker
Yeah. Rogue One. I love Rogue One. I've gone on a journey with Rogue One though. I'm not gonna lie. Where... Here's what happened. Rogue One came out. I loved it, dude. But I loved it for the wrong reasons, I think.
01:25:16
Speaker
I loved it because that third finale, it just feels like they were looking to pleasure the fuck out of you as a fan. They were given sloppy toppy in the theaters.
01:25:34
Speaker
free of charge with the rogue one honestly for all the dude bros yeah oh yeah oh yeah and it was great it was brilliant um i really connected to k2so because i
01:25:47
Speaker
i always say this droids in star wars for me is like dogs in movies you care more about the dog if the dog dies you're gonna cry even in and if the main character dies it's like oh that that sucks but uh that's how i felt with kato so so i i grew the art cried
01:26:05
Speaker
What happened is it came out. I loved it so much. I watched it like 80 times once it came out. And then I started to be like. And then people online started to be like, the issue with Rogue One is that it has a great finale, but it's not. It's just fan service, right? The characters are kind of one dimensional. They don't do much.
01:26:29
Speaker
But I just have come to realize in the last like year or so, shout out to AJ, he's someone from my Discord server. He really loves Rogue One and I really love The Last Jedi. He didn't like The Last Jedi, I didn't really like Rogue One and we kind of, when we talked about our love for these movies, it was like, we kind of realized like, oh, you kind of, you got a point. So that was really cool. You kind of, 69ed a bit.
01:26:59
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. We chided like what Ray and Kylo do when they touch hands. It's like we traded information. But I've come to realize that, especially when Andor came out, is that, okay, sure. Cassie and Andor doesn't have like, he doesn't have like the greatest Arkan Star Wars in Rogue One.
01:27:22
Speaker
but he has a clear arc and he's so interesting that you're able to make a two-season show that's like really deep into like his backstory and whatnot because Rogue One offers that with these characters where Cassian is an interesting character you get a little bit of tidbits of his past of like you know he's been in this fight since he was six years old
01:27:44
Speaker
old and things like that and he goes on the arc where at first it's just gonna be kill Galen Urso because this is the guy who does dirty work for the rebellion and then it's like I'm not gonna kill Galen Urso because I should believe in something because I believe in it and not because this is what I've been told to believe in.
01:28:04
Speaker
and seeing that journey is extremely beautiful and I think every character has the same exact thing where they kind of have a mini arc but there's so much you can have so much more but you know why that works where it's like you could have so much more with these characters
01:28:23
Speaker
is they fucking die in the end and that's what's tragic about the movie is you can't have more of those characters and that's why i think it works so well because yeah there's so much but they're they're gone they're done for and these people all had complex lives and it's just done it's just over with and that's how death works in the real world it's it's a very real movie
01:28:47
Speaker
And I feel like it's a movie that I just like when a movie or a show utilizes what it has going against it and works it into making it not go against it, that it's actually benefiting the movie, that the fact that we can't spend more time with these characters makes it all the more tragic. But I mean, like, Bayes Malbus, right, he starts off as someone who's like making fun of Bodhi. He's like, is he praying? That guy's praying. Then you learn, he's like,
01:29:15
Speaker
he was a guardian of the will and then he's like obviously lost his way since the empires come in and now he is you know in the end when he dies he's like i'm one with the force the force is with me it's like you get that arc you get that journey with k2so it's trusting gin or so trusting someone else
01:29:35
Speaker
and lowering down his shield. You know, like these characters all get something to do and all have really beautiful stories. And yeah, sure, they didn't get the most of it. But like I said, I feel like that is that adds another layer to the movie.
01:29:51
Speaker
I think another great point that you brought up earlier, actually, when talking about The Force Awakens and how it could be anything, also kind of touching on what you just said, Rogue One knew where it had to go. It had to go to its current point. But Rogue One brought in so much new. We got Death Troopers. You know, I love Death Troopers. We got Scarif, which is a cool planet. Before this,
Saw Gerrera's Role in Star Wars
01:30:16
Speaker
had we ever been on a tropical planet, like a tropical beach planet in Star Wars? No.
01:30:21
Speaker
Uh, we got Jeddah, which is so cool. Um, Jeddah, I love it so much in Jedi Survivor because I love it in, uh, in Rogue One. Right. And it's just, we got Saw Gerrera and he's like the, I mean, I guess we didn't get Saw Gerrera cause he started in the Clone Wars, but like he's one of those weird through lines that we now have. Right. Yeah. He's, he's through everything, but also that's the, the character that kind of
01:30:50
Speaker
broke the camel's back of like we can have characters from animation show up in live action so that's really cool too because i think i think he was the first right yeah sakura if we think about it he went from clone wars to uh rogue one we've had him in rebels we've had him in jedi fallen order he's mentioned in jedi survivor and now we have him in andor as well so like
01:31:20
Speaker
And, oh my god, and Bad Batch, Saw Gerrera is that girl, like... Uh-huh, yep.
01:31:26
Speaker
He's in a million comics and novels as well. He's in a lot of novels. He's even like in the solo, in the solo, a Star Wars story novel. He's like in the novelization. So. Who knew? Who knew? It's just like one of those things where it's like every time the camera slightly like Saw Gerrera would be there. Literally. It's like we got somebody who's not a part of the empire and like wants to fuck them up, but he's not like.
01:31:54
Speaker
a good guy like the way they like to portray him. It's like, oh, perfect Saw Gerrera. Like, there he is. God, I love Rogue One so much. And it's funny because I mentioned the dude bros before, and I'm not huge into dog fights and stuff, but literally, like, one of the moments I started crying while watching the movie is when, like, the rebel fleet arrives above Scarif.
01:32:20
Speaker
And I don't know why, but I was like, this is so Star Wars. It's the thing I love so much, and it's like doing the thing that it does on screen, and it's done so well. God. And everybody dies. The X-Wings just crash into the shield gate. It's a very tragic movie. Oh, and you know what else we got?
01:32:41
Speaker
In this movie Darth Vader's castle Yes, yes, that's like that's the first place at least in canon then it showed up and I remember too because in legends his castle wasn't on Mustafar and I remember when it showed up because That's the one planet where they don't have a title card because it's like you see Mustafar you're gonna know who shows up Yeah, it was supposed to be like a cool surprise. I
01:33:08
Speaker
But that was super interesting is when the movie was over. I remember me and my friends arguing like, that's not Mustafar. That is Mustafar. That's not, like, why would it be beyond Mustafar? Right. And so when they revealed it, but it adds so much to Vader. Like as a character, it's like
Analyzing Darth Vader in Rogue One
01:33:25
Speaker
he goes and forces himself to be at the place where he basically lost his life and remind himself that he's a failure. Like, I mean, that was the first time we saw him completely out of the suit.
01:33:38
Speaker
too. Like granted, it's like you don't really see him. It's more of just like they do it in a great way. Yeah. Yeah. The way it's portrayed of him in the back to tank. It's just so cool and it's so eerie and yeah, it added so much to him. He's scary in this movie. Like a very small villain. Very scary for sure.
01:34:04
Speaker
And it makes sense because he's like at the peak of his like hate, I guess. Yeah, we've seen everything he's been going through and the Darth Vader comics and stuff to get where he gets by the time of the original trilogy. And yeah, don't choke on your aspirations. Yeah, it's something where like I really I really like how they utilize Vader because I feel like
01:34:28
Speaker
Rogue One is such a grounded movie where we're focusing on like the real people of the rebellion and even the real people of the empire. We're focusing on like Galen Ursula, director Krennic. So Vader being in there, he should be terrifying and he should be much more terrifying than anyone else in there. It's like if Palpatine shows up in like Andor or something, it's probably going to be like an exaggerated version of Palpatine.
01:34:55
Speaker
And the continuity people are probably not going to like that. But I think it works in the context of like the show where it's like it's such a grounded show that someone like Palpatine should genuinely be fucking terrifying. Like we should be shit in our pants when he's on screen. If we did that well, though, the bad back season two.
01:35:15
Speaker
Palpatine, when he shows up. Chilling, he's terrifying. The room goes silent, because that's an animated show. But you're right, that's a perfect example is when the literal big bad shows up, he's got to be terrifying. The villain was Krennic, essentially, in the Empire.
01:35:36
Speaker
It wouldn't make sense for Vader to just show up and be like, oh, the Death Star is silly. Like how he acted in A New Hope, it wouldn't necessarily make sense. And I know people don't love that it takes place five minutes before A New Hope, and it's like he's doing these crazy, like, it basically looks like Darth Vader in the prequel trilogy. If Darth Vader was in the prequel trilogy, him slashing through everyone, and then he gets to A New Hope and it's like,
01:36:02
Speaker
Him and Obi-Wan fight like old men and it's ridiculous. It's can't comment. No comment and so it looked like it looked like me trying to fight with a lightsaber and Y'all don't see me twirling blades and shit. So it's just like I Can't relate
Ranking Star Wars Films by Innovation
01:36:21
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I trained in I trained in the ways of the force with a broomstick and got in trouble a lot so oh oh on on the planet Kento bite
01:36:31
Speaker
Yes. Yes. Literally. That was so funny. When, when KansoBite showed up, I remember because there's a casino here in Vegas. I live in Vegas for people that don't know. Oh my God. It's so, it's you. Yeah. There's a casino in Vegas that looks exactly like KansoBite. It's called Red Rock Casino. And there's, yeah, it literally looks exactly like it. And it's on the inside. So yeah. Uh, Rogorn.
01:37:00
Speaker
S tier S tier. I agreed. Um, above or below empire. You already know what I'm going to say. You're going to say above. I don't know. I don't know. Just put it after, put it after unless, unless you are feeling it as the number one, because I will leave it as the number one, but if you're on the fence, you can put it after.
01:37:29
Speaker
I just, I feel like Empire Six Black has that classic like, and it's the one that really changed Star Wars. So it's like- You're right. Well, it would make sense. And Rogue One was the first standalone that really changed Star Wars as well. So it makes sense to have them at the top.
01:37:48
Speaker
Yes, so I think what we're seeing here is we like innovation. And George Lucas was the same way where it's like, like I said, he didn't like The Force Awakens, his biggest flaw for personally him with The Force Awakens was that it did nothing new. Where it's like the pre-cult trilogy, it introduces all this technology. Star Wars literally changed cinema forever. What does The Force Awakens do? Not a damn thing.
01:38:15
Speaker
Well, I don't know with that logic, then we shouldn't have put the Clone Wars movie in E tier, but it's animated. So it's already like a leg against the rest of these because of that, unfortunately. Yeah. So is there anything here you would change? Anything here? I mean, like, like. Not for you personally, obviously, don't make the list look like your list, but is there anything where you would change? Because I think there's one thing that I might
01:38:47
Speaker
Oh, I would put Revenge of the Sith higher. Revenge of the Sith higher? Yeah, but that's probably just because that's how I feel. I can agree with that. I think Revenge of the Sith. Even I feel like after our conversation, I might be willing to put it above Return of the Jedi. I would put it above Return of the Jedi, personally. Okay, we'll change that. Do you want to know what mine is? And you're not going to agree.
01:39:16
Speaker
I think Attack of the Clones needs to go lower. Not a little ridiculous. Okay, but we were just talking about innovation and Attack of the Clones was very innovative. Give me an example.
01:39:36
Speaker
Um, the colognes. They are. Yeah, you're right. Okay. They were super innovative for the time. They may not look great now, but for the time they were amazing. And like.
01:39:52
Speaker
They add so much to Star Wars. They created a whole fucking series. We wouldn't have the Clone Wars animated series without a track of them on the fucking clones. What would Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau keep going back to if there was no Order 66? I don't know. They wouldn't have shows. There'd be no shows. Listen. The Clone Wars was the first Star Wars show. Yeah.
01:40:21
Speaker
Without the Clone Wars, we have nothing. Without the Jack of the Clones, we have nothing. I don't mind where it's placed in the ranking of the movies, but I think it should be first in B tier. A tier is crazy, especially if we have
01:40:45
Speaker
I don't know, like B tier, I feel like these are pretty good movies we have here in B tier. And I just, I just feel like- I almost feel like we needed like an extra category, like an extra row.
01:41:01
Speaker
But then again, you would want to put Attack of the Clones in S tier, right? Yeah, I'd have Attack of the Clones in S tier. Okay, then A tier is fine, because that's a good compromise, because I would put it in B tier. So A tier is a good compromise, so then I guess it's fine. Are we finalizing our list? That's our list. That is our motherfucking list. Please do not hate crime us or dox us.
01:41:29
Speaker
We love Star Wars.
Show Wrap-Up and Viewer Invitation
01:41:31
Speaker
We love Star Wars and probably more than anybody that would hate crime or doxxus. So it's the real fans. For those who watch the episode, why don't you send us your rankings as well so that way we can all look at each other's rankings together.
01:41:47
Speaker
Yes, please comment those below in the comments. And this has been another great episode of This Is The Wayseekers. Thank you so much. Follow us on social media. All that stuff is in the description. Be the force. Be the always. Bye. Bye.